veteran-class

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/philosophy-academy-athens-art-raphael-gif-17399902

There it is

[umbral scaffold]

pls dont start posting roman and greek sculpture... we are this close,... to absolute cancer..,,,,..

worse youd bait someone with ONE in his pfp

[orchid hemlock]

bruh have ever talked to someone who had a musician education?

[umbral scaffold]

in here

[frank basin]

okay no more music

back to darktide

[red robin]

Nah they revved up

[topaz smelt]

we are talking about 2 different things bro idgi

[red robin]

Keep going

[orchid hemlock]

I personally think Heinrich Schenker is a racist piece of shit soo far up his own ass that I would rather listen to what the island boys have to say about "musical progression"

[umbral scaffold]

let them cook

[red robin]

Who is smarter contest

That’ll get them going for hours

[topaz smelt]

na im about to rest the sleep of Kings in a few mins

[red robin]

The Odin sleep

https://tenor.com/view/odin-odinsleep-sleep-thor-gif-11093127674967643786

[orchid hemlock]

but to say that Heinrich Schenker isn't influencing our understanding of music is such an outwardly take 💀

[orchid hemlock]

sadge he isn't waking up 😔

[topaz smelt]

never said that, you put him shoulder to shoulder with Bach

[umbral scaffold]

why understand music when you can get adrenaline from it

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-25208323

[orchid hemlock]

Bach is not music theorist

[topaz smelt]

he practically invented counterpoint

[orchid hemlock]

like why are you even mentioning him? 💀

[umbral scaffold]

what if bach was freaky and he wanted mozard

[topaz smelt]

150 years before it became the theory we know today

[frank basin]

there was furrized bach if i remember

[orchid hemlock]

TRUUUUU

[red robin]

https://vxtwitter.com/buddyhead_/status/1837253662940504358?s=46&t=5uupRmZXuKAjL5JLnsuVKw

Y’all see that?

[umbral scaffold]

ive seen it

[orchid hemlock]

wanna make a muscian scared?

[red robin]

Nutty

[orchid hemlock]

🧌

Carl Schachter is also the Ben Shapiro of the 1800s, change my mind 🧍🏻

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-26450094

[topaz smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-hyde-get-well-soon-feel-better-mental-health-gif-17466365192610805797

[orchid hemlock]

it's ok dude I can talk to u

[frank basin]

oh its furrized Mozart

i found the pic

[orchid hemlock]

oh no 💀

[frank basin]

furry mozart

yeah

[umbral scaffold]

He my goat fr

[red robin]

Unironically me

[orchid hemlock]

me when I google: "vet guide"

[umbral scaffold]

LOL

[frank basin]

yeah that image

anyway where did you pull that image from? @orchid hemlock

[red robin]

Me when I suggest a vet build that I think is optimal

[orchid hemlock]

"deathspitter is better than Infernus"

[red robin]

“We’re all heavily versed in veteran mechanics and breakpoints”

[crude fiber]

less inventory clutter hype

[tame lodge]

"Behold, a ttk"

[jaunty fiber]

I hope we'll at least get some better balancing out of everything now that there's no variation on the stats we all eventually get handed

[quartz leaf]

Should I grab this?

[frank basin]

Grab and take deadly accurate

Or you wanna keep for itemization update

[trim steppe]

Ye, strip deadly off it

[quartz leaf]

The weapon isn't good?

[trim steppe]

generally you want high stability, so its not perfect but its definitely a good usable roll if you want it

[quartz leaf]

Aight

[oak ivy]

Is there a what to burn what to keep for all the guns/Melee?

[earnest bone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj2J6DWPSqk

[spark helm]

You'll just be a little pressed to not miss. If you got the habits down right and your own methods of creating your angles for well-placed shots, it's workable. Though you'll feel the immediate difference when you get something with more nicely spread stats.

[uncut pebble]

Stability is the dump on lasguns...

[spark helm]

Speaking of: I'm bored and back in darktide in full swing. My impulse control is terrible but I'm just going to set up and run some strong, solid builds between all my classes until the end of the week when stuff drops.

What are some solid generalist spreads people like running rn?

I'm greedy and keystone-dependent because I like them but I like turning my vet into a walking utility dispenser with field improvisation, natural born leader, other coherency-based interactions and toughness spread.

[digital gazelle]

phwoar

though i dont like the perks

[trim steppe]

Uh, no its not

[uncut pebble]

Oh well mobility is... but either way, that is by no means a bad lasgun.

[trim steppe]

That's why I told him as much

[thorn lark]

What's stability when you're used to a bolter?

[uncut pebble]

Also uh, vet has access to suppression immunity.

So your idle sway isn't gonna be that bad at all.

[tall torrent]

sway is not the same thing as suppression

stability modifies recoil as well

it's not the most important thing yea but it directly impacts how the gun feels

[flat crypt]

amen

[grand perch]

low stability headhunter guns are borderline unusable

[flat crypt]

for recons high stability is not necessary but for infantry variants it makes a big difference

[full nacelle]

is rending overrated? seems like it doesn't do a whole lot outside of maulers and crushers

[grizzled pebble]

Classic p sword p gun p shout most op build.

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

[full nacelle]

autopistol

I am once again trying to make it work

[tall torrent]

Then yea

[full nacelle]

aight I'mma try it

if I suck, I blame you

[flat crypt]

I had a hard time time when i tried to make it feel good. I didn't like it one bit but then i changed my approach entirely and tried turning it into a crowd control tool instead of an ultimate killing machine and there i found happiness.

[full nacelle]

How you do that? Suppression or just spamming the secondary fire?

[flat crypt]

maximized the suppression aspect and indeed short burts of secondary to just knock everybody down

[full nacelle]

honestly even with all the suppression talents I'm not very impressed

I've got a graia braced build that suppresses everything instantly

[flat crypt]

gives a whole lot of breathing room for team to finish them off and doesn't burn through your ammo stock too fast

[full nacelle]

yeah testing it in the psykanium my graia braced build suppresses things twice as fast

I do like the cc from the secondary fire though

[flat crypt]

yea the suppression is not that impressive, just gives a nice little damage boost with the blessing which i don't remember. The stagger/knockdown is the real star of the show

[full nacelle]

Powderburn! Which I actually have on lol

it's a shame man, I really love that niche for my graia build

no other gun has that instant lockdown

[flat crypt]

ye that's the one ^^

[full nacelle]

it'd be cool to have another suppression based weapon... especially on a quick swap weapon like the autopistol

lean into the utility side of things

[flat crypt]

I like the way you think 😎

[full nacelle]

I like you sah

[flat crypt]

😄

[full nacelle]

I'm feeling good about the build so far though... taking every ability modifier towards the bottom to give me big buffs while spamming shout

onslaught + skirmisher + reciprocity to run/dodge around like a freak pistoling things

as long as nobody expects me to snipe I think it should be fun

[flat crypt]

frag nades for long range sniping

[full nacelle]

so true

that new skirmisher buff will be nasty for this build

[flat crypt]

Went to psykhanium to test things with shredder. Just noticed that the blessing pinning fire increases your penetration vs poxwalkers. Without it you can only hit one but with the blessing stacks on you can hit 2 with one bullet

[full nacelle]

interesting... I really hope they update all the tooltips with all these secret buffs

[flat crypt]

for reference br graia can hit only 1 poxwalker

[full nacelle]

okayyyyy

a reason to use the autopistol

[flat crypt]

my cc tool looks like this

[full nacelle]

damn, she's a beaut

trying to figure out what blessings I want

inspiring barrage because of shout overhealth?

and probably pinning fire

[flat crypt]

in a couple of days it'll be easy to try everything and then decide what you like

[full nacelle]

yeah so true... I need to start building up some resources

[flat crypt]

i went with those so i don't have to spend so much ammo to achieve results (no continuous fire and so on thingies)

[full nacelle]

yeah I have a feeling I'll be blowing through my ammo anyway

don't want to make it easier on myself

[flat crypt]

😅

[full nacelle]

first run with my autopistol build

honestly... pretty good

wasn't a very intense auric damnation but it actually performed well

just kind of ammo hungry

only ran out of ammo once using it through 90% of the mission though, had a couple generous zealots on the team

[flat crypt]

nice

[meager topaz]

what MK power sword is good to use?

[pseudo fiber]

6

[forest breach]

we better get a similar commissar suit

[flat crypt]

Isn't there already something like that available? 🤔

[dreamy ginkgo]

Mk 3 going to the sky when you have the audacity to move and shoot one reason why low lvl is painful

[forest breach]

yeeeeees there is a commissar suit, compred to that its very boring tho.

[flat crypt]

Ah you're right, had to google the outfit. Seen my friend with the hat combined with some other top which looks more like that holo set

[forest breach]

yeah, that holo set seems to have epaulettes, a bit drippier hat and what seems to be some sort of metal breastplate

now thats cool

especially compared to what we have now :D

[flat crypt]

something like this would be much appreciated

but we have to also remember that we are only lowly rejects

[forest breach]

yeah, still some of our lowely rejects have some glorious drip

[forest breach]

maybe some day :(

[pseudo fiber]

If Dukane ever catches a bullet then Hallowette can loot them and we can buy them

[flat crypt]

catches a bullet "by accident" 🤭

[frosty falcon]

from the heretical autogun of course

[flat crypt]

and nobody can neither confirm nor deny that

[thorn lark]

it is not a secret buff, pinning fire gives power and power is dmg, cleave and stagger

[pseudo fiber]

Turned around like "What did you do that for?"

[dreamy spade]

I honestly prefer recon to lasgun

[pseudo fiber]

Honestly yeah. Issue I have with plasma is it doesn't feel very engaging to use at all

[near abyss]

I managed to get a good plasma gun. Could anyone share their talents for auric damnation?

[tame lodge]

Be like me, take the 50% extra suppression and shoot fully charged shots (all that suppression is unnecessary)

[red robin]

Damn

I love suppression

[near abyss]

Should I add Sniper resist to all curious or one is enough?

[red robin]

I think one and 200+ hp is enough

Wouldn’t hurt to test it out with creature spawner mod

Just get a sniper to down you at certain thresholds and ratios

If you’re always full hp with no chip damage toughness uptime, having health and 1-2 sniper resists wouldn’t hurt

I find myself getting beaten to death by gunners more than snipers

It depends on your mobility

Weapon specialist you can just keep an eye on the sniper and dodge when fighting a horde

[viscid sparrow]

same, actually. The only time when snipers are a problem is if I am preoccupied by a horde/multiple ragers in my face (I don't notice the sniper targeting line), or am unable to shoot the sniper due to him being too far away or because there's hordes in between him and my line of sight...

[red robin]

It happens

When I get caught like that I feel ashamed for having 150 hp and no sniper resist

Max fov and ultra wide is fun

I got them herd animal line of sight

Vs yall with that apex predator line of sight

I love tanking gunner fire with toughness resist and gunner resistance

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-uber-tf2-ubercharge-charge-gif-25046008

[viscid sparrow]

tbh, in the moments belonging to the former category, I usually have more issues than just the sniper...

for example, I have had times when there's a pack of crushers and no one on my team has kraks available (and/or the ones with kraks are dead)

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-romantic-romantic-hug-xarah-xander-and-sarah-gif-25859656

I know that feel

Also that was a wrong gif

https://tenor.com/view/great-teacher-onizuka-gto-realization-doomed-scared-gif-4330346

Meant to send that and say “when you drop below iron will threshold”

[viscid sparrow]

then again, that example I just gave was a more general-purpose one, as I was playing gun psyker at the time when that happened...

[red robin]

Yeah, I sometimes forget snipers are a huge threat with no ranged options on your team

Curse the double barrel for being so fun

[viscid sparrow]

I was playing with CIAG, but I was running a non-mk4 dueling sword, so I couldn't have easily killed crushers first before focusing on the sniper...

[red robin]

Argh

I love melee

But there’s only a handful of high dodge range ones

Knife and duelling sword are my favs because of that

[toxic leaf]

meet teh shovel

its not a flashy weapon. but man does it shovel hard.

[idle swallow]

catch me on doomguy setup chaxe/double barrel after the update, chaxe getting that mobility buff

[sleek garden]

poke push attack

[toxic leaf]

i love the basic vet shovel

[sleek garden]

I have been using it again

It's fun but I can't deal with ragers like the catachan

[toxic leaf]

thats what shredders are for

knock em down...and do it again

[sleek garden]

Last night I was in a bad spot after 3 nades used and it sent a group after me

it was a sad day

[toxic leaf]

thats when you wonder if you're the only guy at work

[sleek garden]

No it was already going to hell two of my teammates got taken out by one crusher overhead

And the zealot didn't have the last stand ability

[idle swallow]

secret is hehe funny stagger shovel with hammerblow/trauma and skullcrusher to bully ragers

[toxic leaf]

and you get skullcrusher benefit from teh nade stagger, dont you

[idle swallow]

If they're staggered while shovel is out then probably

[toxic leaf]

yea ofc

[red robin]

Idk if this meme was made b4

But that’s how I feel when I see a sniper interrupting my horde killing simulator

Procreate is based app

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cj-explosion-nuke-gta-san-andreas-san-andreas-gif-17178689676196145227

[tame lodge]

"A sniper on my horde simulator? How queer..."
"Guess we doing snipers now"

[thin stone]

lmao

[frank basin]

Zeippp THLANK

[red robin]

I made a lore accurate one

[trim breach]

lmao

[red robin]

It gets me everytime

[umbral scaffold]

[pseudo fiber]

Use the alt fire it staggers them

[red robin]

Me about to get oneshotted by a flanking mauler

[serene bough]

Is it scab mauler saturday already?

[tropic notch]

My new vet with the assault shotgun and knife with mercy killer + uncanny

He dgaf about auric maelstroms

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/falling-down-stairs-bruh-drunk-gif-21485526

Me after getting hit by a mauler overhead when I dodge into a groaner

[sleek garden]

It staggers one at a time

[pseudo fiber]

All I need

[red robin]

We taking abt the shovel special?

Ngl I love bopping charging mutants

I know it’s easier to dodge it and I just like fishing for it

[sleek garden]

It's funny to stab them in the face and stop the charge

[full nacelle]

Ah I didn't realize pinning fire was a power buff

[spark helm]

Yeah I figured. Guessing the talent spread would be the same.

[full nacelle]

I honestly find the power sword so cumbersome and weird to use

feels like butt when I could just use my Rashad and whack everything

[idle swallow]

You're trading mobility and a forced charge animation before attacking for some absolutely nasty damage and cleave on any target type

[full nacelle]

yeah I just really can't get into the rhythm of it

and when the push attack don't crit I cry

[red robin]

It’s really just finding the rhythm of those in between windows of hordes attacking, being staggered, approaching and dodging

It’s really easy to use brutal momentum and power cycler with fast attacks

Sunder do really feel like I’m going to be hit inbetween heavies

It’s definitely a slow defensive playstyle vs hyper mobility and attack speed with the knife

You hit like a truck and part every horde like the red sea

[idle swallow]

I like sunder just because I usually fuck up hitting the head enough times to feel it

[red robin]

But damn does having 2 inches of dodge range blow

I’m exaggerating btw, but I tend to mismanage my dodges a lot

Proper special activation and heavy wind up will be more than enough for the dodge count to reset

Knowing how to create space with attacks, dodges, pushes, and especially dodge sliding is such a good game sense skill to develop

Feels very action movie like to have a 23% dodge range knife (80% mobility and Weapon Specialist) and dodge slide backwards and quick swap to double barrel with that distancing momentum and just kite ragers with that spacing

[umbral scaffold]

Dodge is a must have

Mobility should be 80% always

Or at least 75%

[idle swallow]

For most weapons having the max dodges allowed is enough, usually that's ≥50% mobility but some have it even lower for max

[red robin]

I dump damage on the knife at 60% just so I can have 80 in everything else

High finesse, first target, and penetration will carry my slightly lower than average damage, good trade for hyper mobility

If the damage stat adjusts the finesse curve to be way higher, I may consider it being 80%

[spark helm]

That's the only real learning curve to p sword between both versions really. Knowing your maximum range and taking advantage of space can be helpful. Also if you happen to have a godroll p sword, it's unpowered melee attack against basic hordes with BM4 is substantial enough.

This is one way to sort of think of the tempo for getting into the stride of things:

1. Spot incoming horde group you want to attack
2. Position with range in mind
3. Power up, 1. 2. or 1. 2. 3. heavy attacks, shove, repeat as necessary.

[red robin]

What’s an example of a godroll p sword?

[spark helm]

Or, for the MK3 psword, you can get a faster tempo with swapping the heavies for lights. Power cycler 4 and BM4 work very easily in that regard. The only reason I prefer heavies is because I've been doing it for so long and it fares better at higher levels when you have mixed hordes that may include ragers.

[red robin]

I wanna fish for building one

[spark helm]

As far as blessings go, I just take Brutal Momentum 4 and Power Cycler 4. Both empower the main meat of the Power Sword in a profound way. I forgot all the little extras for it, but those blessings, in particular Power Cycler 4 (eh, can work with 3 tbh but it'll be a stark change when you get it) is the thing that'll make your powered strikes just melt waves.

For perks? I don't remember what my roll was but safe bets (assuming this isn't overkill or something idk or care too deep about the numbers beyond knowing what setups guarantee breakpoints) are things like flak/maniacs, flak/carapace for the other one, the mk6 or whatever it's called.

[red robin]

Ehh

I’ll probably stick to flak carapace

[frank basin]

Mk3

[red robin]

Or even 10% elite and carapace mayhaps

[frank basin]

10% with superior complex

The racist veteran

[red robin]

Only maniac I’d melee be the mutant

And they already take 4x dmg from melee

Idk the exact ratio

[orchid hemlock]

The strength of the power sword you won't realize until you are in a situation where you have a huge mixed horde in front of you

Then it will light a bulb in your head when you carve thru everything in it

[supple stag]

Power Sword requires dodging while activating special or shoving enemies first

but it cleans house so well it's stupid lmao

[void gyro]

plasma is balanced

[tawny badger]

so how am I supposed to use the smoke grenade

[astral ingot]

throw it on top of your team

alternatively throw it on top of a gun line

[tall torrent]

Don’t use them this way

[tall torrent]

Throw them at where you want to be after 2s

[tame lodge]

It stopped being effective that way since they made gunners/reapers stop shooting

Anyways
Stay inside the smoke

It'll mess with gunners/shooters/dogs/flamers/reapers/trappers/snipers

Shotty

[vestal widget]

if you're using the mk6, are you doing the block cancel

[tame lodge]

Beast of Nurgle

[orchid hemlock]

Fatshark too scared to give the PS to Zealots for a reason ☠️

[misty delta]

and yet they gave everyone dueling swords

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but imagine a PS that doesn't feel like I'm wearing lead boots

[misty delta]

PS zealot would go craaaazy

or psykers

[astral ingot]

they finally fixed that? good

I was tired of seeing smokes being run

[misty delta]

dont psykers have a node for +1 dodges lol

[tame lodge]

Yeah and zealots have IJ

[faint beacon]

Heavy Sword on them

Lmao

[misty delta]

heavy sword dodge counts arent that bad are they? I remember them being fairly standard

or maybe I’m too used to playing power sword xd

[crude fiber]

Imagine PS with all their attack speed

[frank basin]

i wish if there blessing regenerate stamina on kill synergy with Deadshot

[idle swallow]

That's pretty close to what the toughness/stamina refund on marked kill node for target down does

[uncut pebble]

Psword IJ would shatter balance entirely.

[faint beacon]

Iirc yes

[orchid hemlock]

BOO!

[faint beacon]

Evil ass veteran tree

[tall torrent]

different

[faint beacon]

Min maxxers weeping at the sight

[tall torrent]

IJ boosts dodge recovery

it's the only thing besides Agile that'll change how dodges are recovered

[frank basin]

What’s IJ ya means?

[tall torrent]

Inexonerable Judgement (momentum keystone)

[frank basin]

Oh the zealot class

[heavy rover]

heh, ass veteran

[orchid hemlock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Xx1rzYWSki

[tame lodge]

So very close

So far away

[misty delta]

https://tenor.com/view/noot-noot-meme-noot-noot-black-background-gif-26002556

[faint beacon]

Questionable choices in there I’m ngl

But they got all the basics of a decent tree

[orchid hemlock]

Well u can run anything with the plasma gun and still think it's easy

[faint beacon]

Literally

Lmao

[somber axle]

8 stack FT and Serrated Blade with Shovel looks kinda funny

[orchid hemlock]

Oh no https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9af31f70-fee7-4c36-aff1-5f3651b99f10/melee-veteran-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[frank basin]

Wuh I have psyker being discount zealot

[orchid hemlock]

This can't be real

[misty delta]

what the crit damage las pistol

[frank basin]

Wow

This one kek

[orchid hemlock]

They are all the same

[frank basin]

3 toughness curio hive mind?

[misty delta]

no stamina regen

[frank basin]

I think it will soon get update the restlessness be part of exe stance

So goodbye one node

[orchid hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/user/jay-brodi

These are all of his builds

[frank basin]

What about his build?

I feel like these title like YouTube clickbait

Knightmare frame clickbait

[misty delta]

he is a youtuber

[orchid hemlock]

Yes he is also a YouTuber

[frank basin]

Typical

[orchid hemlock]

https://youtube.com/@jay-brodi7953?si=khWR08cBEsCybrap

[rapid fractal]

Best veteran melee and range weapon?

[misty delta]

finally, people who agree with my thoughts on this guy

[narrow frost]

oh no

[misty delta]

you’ll get diff answers from everyone. Generally strong options are knives, rashad combat axes, revolver, and plasma gun

[smoky sparrow]

probably knife and plasma gun

[orchid hemlock]

"finally"?

Who defends this guy? ☠️

[misty delta]

you’d be surprised 😭

[smoky sparrow]

whats so bad about him?

[misty delta]

mainly the builds

he’s a really skilled player to make these builds work, but he shouldn’t go around saying that they’re the best

[rapid fractal]

Is the really fast firing lasgun any good at high difficulties?

[narrow frost]

yes

[smoky sparrow]

with onslaught and infernus you can make it work

[misty delta]

plasma gun is the big blue gun with a charge up (don’t use the charge up)

[rapid fractal]

I know what the plas gun is, just curious

[misty delta]

ohhhh sorry I misread

sry I’m multitasking atm

[topaz smelt]

i hate braced guns what a trash tier weapon

[narrow frost]

skill issue

[topaz smelt]

wym you dont even have to aim it

lmao

[misty delta]

I havent used infantry lasguns in a while but they aint bad. I prefer the green lasgun over the blue one. Can’t tell you why

[narrow frost]

then why is it trash

[topaz smelt]

cant long range

[orchid hemlock]

Green? 🤔

[narrow frost]

aim better

get closer

throw a nade

[orchid hemlock]

Ainz spitting facts

[smoky sparrow]

neither can most of ogryns ranged options, they are fine

[topaz smelt]

theres better options tho

[misty delta]

blue gives me carpal tunnel and I hate the rhythm of brown

[narrow frost]

okay?

[topaz smelt]

im running slug shotgun rn

[narrow frost]

then why is it in trash tier

[smoky sparrow]

yeah you can always run plasma gun

noones forcing you to use the braced autoguns

[orchid hemlock]

Skill diff, just use another gun

[somber axle]

Do you mean the Recons or the Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun

[tame lodge]

Recons strong

[somber axle]

Because yes to both

[smoky sparrow]

how fast is the kantrael firing again?

[topaz smelt]

ive seen vets run that one a lot

[somber axle]

Recons are very strong after the Secrets of the Machine God update buffed them but Recon Mk VId is the powerhouse of the three for being able to shred Crusher faces off with Rending Strikes and Onslaught

[rapid fractal]

Used it in one game and instantly left to switch out my gun

[tame lodge]

Solid B tier really

[orchid hemlock]

Guys it's just skill diff just aim

[topaz smelt]

people enjoy being contrarians in this server a lot ive noticed a pattern

[umbral scaffold]

Theres on kantrel that shoots fast. Just use fullauto mod for it tho. Otherwise dread the carpal tunnel

[tame lodge]

Agri goes into A

[smoky sparrow]

for sure outclassed by the normal autoguns tho imho

[topaz smelt]

just watch

[umbral scaffold]

Already got 3 out of 5 fingers that lock when i close my hand and i aint even 24

[topaz smelt]

bro ive been banned from 109 servers ofc its not me

its the server

[smoky sparrow]

https://youtu.be/tlg1nBpHypc?si=xEjjLDgn1JPGS2dk

i always refer people to this

carpal tunnel is a bitch

[umbral scaffold]

Thats work related for me

[frank basin]

I’m the veteran use braced graia autogun

[umbral scaffold]

I graps my saw handle too tight all day

[topaz smelt]

anyway gotta farm up some plasteel

[orchid hemlock]

"uncanny bad on knife"

[smoky sparrow]

what did he mean by this

[somber axle]

Idk the RPM but it's definitely the fastest firing semi-auto weapon in the Vet arsenal

[frank basin]

Tanner

[somber axle]

Not as fast as the Recon Mk VId though

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254313274325995570/1286452588224708718/caption.gif

[smoky sparrow]

thats what i meant ye, he was talking about the recon lasguns for sure

[orchid hemlock]

I think they ran away

😔

[last parcel]

300 rpm

[topaz smelt]

[frank basin]

If there’s stubber on veteran is my favorite weapon instant

[smoky sparrow]

gimme a revolver grenade launcher farthshart pls pls pls

im normal and can be trusted with high explosives

[topaz smelt]

i like this one it hits good

[tall torrent]

MG IV is 300rpm

[somber axle]

Thanks!

[smoky sparrow]

it was a rhetorical question

thanks nonetheless

[tall torrent]

Swap ur perks to elite + flak

[somber axle]

Mk IV has been really fun in Aurics lately

[last parcel]

bro became the guide

[smoky sparrow]

blaze away and gets hot are meta rn

[tall torrent]

Blaze away is a bit overrated on plasma

[smoky sparrow]

what do you suggest? i like having 20% power on average

[tall torrent]

It’s not +20% power on avg

You only get to benefit from blaze away notably when firing from low heat

[smoky sparrow]

wdym

its a continous fire perk

[tall torrent]

Venting at full heat gives u only 2 shots before it’s 100% heat again

[tall torrent]

Plasma can only shoot up to 8 times consecutively

Starting from 0 heat

8 shots if you have 69% or higher thermal resist

If u pause to vent heat, this +power bonus ends

This power bonus also only matters for like, 2 enemies’ breakpoints

[smoky sparrow]

whats the alternative?

[tall torrent]

Scab rager 1HS non-Crit
Scab mauler 2 bodyshot non-Crit

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + gloryhunter

[smoky sparrow]

we differ on fundamentals then

[tall torrent]

+damage only matters when it meaningfully makes u kill things faster

[smoky sparrow]

toughness replenished only matters if you take damage

???

[tall torrent]

Dealing 1200 damage or 1400 damage in one shot makes no difference on an enemy with 2000 health

Or 3000 health

[smoky sparrow]

replenishing toughness when you are at 100% toughness does nothing either

[tall torrent]

Then u skip gloryhunter and go gets hot + energy leakage next patch, simple

Energy leakage does essentially what blaze away enables but is more intuitive to play with

[orchid hemlock]

What he's saying is that there isn't any other Blessing that actually helps you kill things faster on the plasma gun

[topaz smelt]

i think its locked

[tall torrent]

U have both perks modified, how can they be locked

[frank basin]

lol

[last parcel]

slots you have changed can be changed again

[topaz smelt]

ah

[frank basin]

New player

[topaz smelt]

i got 69 hours on it

[frank basin]

640 as my average

[tall torrent]

It’s also just an extra layer of sustain if u get unluckily hit by something

It happens

[smoky sparrow]

blaze away is an extra layer of damage if theres a boss

it also happens

as i said

different strokes

[tall torrent]

You can go energy leakage + gets hot next patch it’ll be better for ur playstyle

[smoky sparrow]

for sure

thats what ill do

[tall torrent]

Plasma gun on boss is just

Wasting ammo most of the time

[smoky sparrow]

does nutty dmg to unyielding already

[orchid hemlock]

Why would waste precious plasma ammo on a boss?

[frank basin]

I do that all time

[tall torrent]

It’s not bad dps it’s just not worth ammo cost most of the time

[smoky sparrow]

its better to use your melee, i get that, but it also significantly increases your dps at ranged

i just usually go for killy stuff rather than sustain

[frank basin]

I stab my self with red stimm and mag dump plasma on boss

[topaz smelt]

krak usually does it for me with regen nades

[frank basin]

Sure like panic attack

[orchid hemlock]

For bosses I generally want to control it because my PUBS are usually too dumb to know how to properly aggro a boss.

[frank basin]

Oh I definitely toss all krak nade on boss too

[tall torrent]

As long as ur not using plasma to horde clear I think there’s no wrong way of using it

[orchid hemlock]

And they refuse to block

[orchid hemlock]

What if I see a line of shotgunners

[frank basin]

If there’s plague ogryn charge at me I’d swap melee block as quick

Same time I can’t aim on head with plasma

[topaz smelt]

then youre stuck reloading for 10k years

[faint beacon]

That’s elite clear

[orchid hemlock]

I remember that I used to do a helbore build where I spam the alt

[faint beacon]

There’s a difference lmao

[last parcel]

nuh uh

[orchid hemlock]

Fastest boss damage

It obliterates assassination shields

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-24534315

[frank basin]

Gale most hated thing ^

[faint beacon]

More like Dorns but still I dislike Thammer 1 shotting bosses

The fuck is the point of Monstro Mael if you turn it off with Thammer

[frank basin]

Easy one shotting weakened monstro

Simple as thammy

[topaz smelt]

el monstruo

[slow spade]

counter-point, where else can you slam plague ogryns as often as Monstro mael?

[faint beacon]

Counter to that, it’s not enjoyable seeing a Plogryns health bar pop up and instantly disappear

I want to be swarmed by bosses

[slow spade]

shouldn't have RNGed into a Zealot 💅

[faint beacon]

True thankfully I have a DC bind for just such an occasion

[slow spade]

brb dming Fatshark to ban Zealot

[faint beacon]

Dming doodooshart to remove all classes

[slow spade]

Nurgle's Garden gets invaded by a flood of Whiteshields UwU

[tall torrent]

That’s elite wave clear

[slow spade]

shotgunner waves is a waste of ammo, simply run at them

Sponsored by Nurgle

[faint beacon]

I unironically do that now

They can’t stop a pissed off veteran with a shovel

One swing is a one way trip to stagger city

[slow spade]

fun detected: applying Nurgle's blessing to everyone

[faint beacon]

Woe Burgle Disablers upon ye

[slow spade]

D:

Fatshark furiously taking notes for the update in 2 days UwU

[tall torrent]

Nurgle blessed Dreg rager

[slow spade]

"oh they want infinite nurgle blessed ragers? Easier done than said" -Fatshark

[frank basin]

What the ai heretic

Where’s diddy?

[orchid hemlock]

It's just Cole

[frank basin]

Drake the Zi-ist follower

[faint beacon]

Burgle Mauler/Crusher that’s overhead happy

[tall torrent]

those are kinda fine cuz they're very well telegraphed

[orchid hemlock]

Drake Freak lore is something else 😔

[faint beacon]

Now imagine a group of them

[tall torrent]

dreg rager is just cancer to fight without stagger

[frank basin]

What nurgle blessing? Increase enemy damage and attack speed, dmg resistance/increase HP?

[faint beacon]

This happened to me and I witnessed 2 of my teammates immediately fold

Blessing literally makes them immune to stagger

[orchid hemlock]

Have yall tried shooting it? 🤔

[faint beacon]

Well it feels like it

[tall torrent]

increase dmg & stagger resist I think

the main one is stagger resist

[faint beacon]

It’s especially vile on Disablers

[tall torrent]

things that normally stagger them can't anymore

it's rly bad on dreg ragers

[faint beacon]

Mainly grabbers and hounds

[orchid hemlock]

Is that ur balls after seeing Drake and Kendrick ship?

[tall torrent]

hounds u can still push

[faint beacon]

I tried that and still got pounced

[frank basin]

VoC can it push them?

[tall torrent]

voc can

[tame lodge]

Extreme stagger so yes

[tall torrent]

but relying on voc as ur only form of stagger is limiting

[faint beacon]

Can you spawn uh

[tall torrent]

no

[faint beacon]

Burgle enemies in the psyk

[tall torrent]

creature spawner can't spawn nurgle blessed enemies

[frank basin]

I think not

[faint beacon]

Fuck

I actually would’ve done testing

[frank basin]

If the creature spawner update it

[tall torrent]

u can spawn mini-mutant and mini-hound that come in hunting grounds & mutant waves

[frank basin]

Raaaaaaaagh

[faint beacon]

Woe 7 mutants upon ye

[frank basin]

Aaaaaaaaargh

rough rugh rargh

yoink

[tame lodge]

2k HP mutant when I push it

[orchid hemlock]

Bruh I need to see a tiny mutant

That sound adorable

[frank basin]

VoC on mutant like

[blazing notch]

Finally found my first 380 in the store today, and of course its the Standard-Issue Shovel. 😂

[tall torrent]

this is actually a great roll, keep it

[blazing notch]

Yeah I bought it, running to the psykhanium ask we speak to give it a test drive 🙂

[faint beacon]

Upgrade it at this point

Worse you can get is 1 bad perk

[blazing notch]

I'll max level it rq and let yall know what it gets

[faint beacon]

You want Flak Maniac perk wise

Blessings

Uncanny and Skull Crusher

Personally I like using Deci over Skullcrusher

But SkC is easier

[blazing notch]

I have liked Thrust in the past, so not angry about having Thrust IV 🙂

[blazing notch]

Should I buy a few shovels to try and get more blessings now or wait until after patch? Kinda seems like blessings are getting a big rework in 2 days

[faint beacon]

If you want to risk it go for it

You just need to swap your blessings with Uncanny and Skullcrusher or Decimater

Uncanny is a must

[blazing notch]

Yeah I couldn't really tell from the blog post if we are going to lose some unlocked blessings at higher tiers because it doesn't work with the new system

[faint beacon]

Also unyielding isn’t too terrible

Means you do more Ogryn and Boss Damage

[blazing notch]

On my vet i've been using Krak nades and plasma gun to kill crushers, bulwarks, beasts of nurgle, etc

[faint beacon]

I’d say if you want the perfect shovel get Uncanny IV and SkC or Deci IV

[blazing notch]

So probably going to switch out unyielding

[faint beacon]

Again it matters on how you play

[blazing notch]

Heard that, ty!

[tall torrent]

swap for carapace prob

[faint beacon]

For SkC or Deci but Deci is objectively worse

So if you want an easier path do Skullcrusher

If you want something that melts hordes if you don’t miss

Deci

[blazing notch]

I might be dumb here, but Impact increases stagger right? So wouldn't Skullcrushers + Trauma work well together? Trauma to keep stagger, and Skullcrusher to pile on the damage?

[tall torrent]

uncanny is too much dmg to pass up

[blazing notch]

Assuming I am using it to whack the ogryn types or Scab Maulers (or any other carapace, for the Rending?

I can def see how the rending stacks would be good

Does the rending stack on me or the target? Like would the extra penetration apply to my teammate's attacks too?

(sorry still new on these nuance things)

[tall torrent]

rending helps vs maniac, unyielding, carapace & flak

[faint beacon]

Rending is just

Extremely strong

[tall torrent]

it's minimum +24% dmg against these 4 types of armor

but usually does more

uncanny strike is just too strong

[blazing notch]

So if thats the case, I should probably just leave the 2 Perks and just modify the 2 blessings eh?

[faint beacon]

Skullcrusher will buff for your team as well if you run that unless you’re me

A gambler

[tall torrent]

thrust u can keep it's not the worst

[faint beacon]

Who runs Deci

And manages 10 stacks against a horde

[tall torrent]

up to u
but u can freely modify after update anyways

no rush

[blazing notch]

I like Thrust on my rashad on my zealot hehe

[faint beacon]

Okay so

Thrust is not good on SI sadly

[uncut pebble]

Mods, explode this man.

[blazing notch]

Lmaooo

[tall torrent]

rashad is BM + headtaker

[faint beacon]

SI is very good for horde clear which is why we’re suggesting Those two

However, Mk7 and Mk3 sappers you’d love if you really like thrust

[blazing notch]

Yeah I can tell this weapon fits a different kind of target profile, the swing pattern definitely lends itself to horde clear

[faint beacon]

Horde clear optimally is heavy spam but you can mix lights in

Lights usually drop targets really quickly just have less cleave

[full nacelle]

check me into the psyche ward... I actually like my Autopistol build

it's actually been doing really well in aurics

[glacial garnet]

i require a revolver build

[blazing notch]

Yeah okay after swinging this thing in the testing area it needs rending

farewell Thrust IV 🫡 (after the update)

[faint beacon]

The optimal anti Carapace set up

Combo wise is literally

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ollie-boop-paws-boop-gentle-boop-gif-10872413038021902498

[uncut pebble]

Step 1, path to weapon specialist. Step 2, profit.

[faint beacon]

Push Attack + Light 1 + Light 2 repeat

[glacial garnet]

havent touched the game in a hot minute, no clue what that means

[full nacelle]

which revolver would you like? Zarona special sniper or Agripinaa fan the hammer short-range build?

[glacial garnet]

agripinaa

[full nacelle]

one sec! I gotchu

[blazing notch]

With Uncanny + Skullcrusher? Keep pushing them so still staggered for Skullcrusher I suppose

[glacial garnet]

thanks mate

[last parcel]

weapon specialist is the big purple talent on the bottom right

[glacial garnet]

oh right

[faint beacon]

Deci kinda fucks harder with it but yeah SkC can also work

Deci is just risky cause it’s a short time frame to maintain stacks 2 seconds

And

If you miss you’re back to 0

But each hit is +2% power

Aka damage ramps

[blazing notch]

I can see how Decimator would be good too

[faint beacon]

If you’re spamming heavies in a huge pox horde you’re bound to get to 10 stacks

[blazing notch]

So hitting 20 concurrent enemies would yield +50% damage from how this reads? If every 2 hits adds 5%

[full nacelle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d16fad4-42df-403a-a284-5d90e5d729b9/fan-the-hammer

Here ya go!

[faint beacon]

Power also more than just raw damage

I just can’t recall what else it can buff

It’s why my melee of choice is a SI with Uncanny + Deci though

Fucking chews through hordes

[glacial garnet]

lovely

[old prism]

Starts stacking on the second hit, keeps stacking as you hit things and not miss, cleave doesn’t matter for the stacks, will drop off immediately if you miss an attack

[glacial garnet]

back to the XP grind, wish cross progression was a thing

[blazing notch]

I like the heavy spam attack pattern, all side swipes (my pattern with the Mk IV Devil's Claw is Light + Heavy for those kinds of swings)

[pseudo fiber]

generally best to use the lights to build the stacks before using the heavies for the now excellent horde clear

[blazing notch]

It seems it will still have high uptime fortunately, Unlikely I will always build it up to +50% power, but it rewards continuous attacks, so the longer I am in melee, the stronger each swing becomes. Sounds like a win to me. lol

Even if 1 miss will reset the stacks, there are typically enough in a Damnation swarm to keep me hitting something lol

[faint beacon]

Damage is damage

It’s why I don’t really view Deci as bad

It’s punishing but rewarding

[full nacelle]

very much a hybrid build focused around playing at short-medium ranges, clearing hordes with your axe, popping big targets with the stub revolver, smoking off things out of your range, and popping into stealth whenever things get too messy

enjoy!

[old prism]

It is best utilised in weapons with wide swings like shovel.

If you have access to Headtaker, it always beats decimator just out of pure convenience in the long run

[faint beacon]

^ easier to maintain HT over Deci

[orchid hemlock]

Why does the build use born leader tho? 🤔

[faint beacon]

You can miss with HT

you can’t at all with Deci

[pseudo fiber]

Sadly shovel ain't got no HT

[full nacelle]

because the other talents do nothing for you... For the Emporer pops when your stealth activates so you get no use out of it and the suppression bonus does nothing for your revolver

[old prism]

Yeah, for shovel I’d recommend deci + uncanny for overall goodness // if you want a debuff stick and stagger skullcrusher + impact blessing

[slow spade]

really a shame that ability buffs proc when you activate stealth

[full nacelle]

meanwhile Rashad with Out for Blood and infiltrate actually gives pretty good toughness so sharing it with your teammates is worth something even if it's not much

[old prism]

Some also prefer skullcrusher + uncanny or even skullcrusher + deci but I don’t find em so good

[slow spade]

makes them pretty shit for stealth lol

[faint beacon]

Hammerblow/Trauma + SkC if you feel like helping your team out lmao

[blazing notch]

time to spend all my money on shovels, wish me luck 🫡

[old prism]

Skullcrusher is ridiculous overall dps increase for everyone on your team indeed

[orchid hemlock]

The toughness you share is very meaningless unless you have a weapon that also gives u toughness

[uncut pebble]

Not a single one will have a defence dump...

[slow spade]

DMing Fatshark to nerf shovels on the 26th

[old prism]

But it won’t make your shovel bps really good, more of a support playstyle

[uncut pebble]

If fatshark nerfs shovels, I will find you.

[full nacelle]

and as I just explained the other talents do literally nothing, so sharing a small amount of toughness with your team is the best you get for that choice

[slow spade]

UwU

[orchid hemlock]

Damage is always useful, I don't understand how for the Emporer doesn't help you when it literally gives you more damage

[old prism]

For shovel damage bps we go decimator uc

[slow spade]

Stealth build

so For the Emperor is basically shit

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-wait-wait-gif-8174347161288218584

[orchid hemlock]

Yeah but it still gives you damage

[slow spade]

lol

[full nacelle]

No it doesn't...

[slow spade]

yeah sure if that makes you feel better

[blazing notch]

Just looking for blessings! They can have stinky base ratings, so long as they upgrade into a half decent blessing

[full nacelle]

it activates while you're in stealth

[uncut pebble]

Born leader is worthless without a gloryhunter ranged weapon.

[full nacelle]

bro read what sentence you just replied to

[uncut pebble]

And for the emperor is the best choice when pathing down the middle, every time.

[slow spade]

I don't think they realize this is for a stealth build

really a shame

[full nacelle]

yeah reading is hard

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I know, but that's still better if you at least attack once before the 5 seconds are up

[uncut pebble]

You do know you can just use infiltrate for emergency toughness, right?

[slow spade]

Infiltrate restores toughness

[uncut pebble]

And for the emperor applies to everyone in coherency, not just you.

[slow spade]

so you can give teammates toughness via Born Leader

[orchid hemlock]

15% of the stealth every 15-30 seconds is pathetic ☠️

[slow spade]

yeah but if you're Stealth build, you're not going for team buffs lol

[slow spade]

so is 10% damage for 5 seconds on a stealth build

[uncut pebble]

So your options are a miniscule amount of toughness every so often, or more damage for everybody every so often.

[orchid hemlock]

So you don't care about team buffs but hyper cope with toughness sharing? 💀

[uncut pebble]

I'm pretty sure damage is better here.

[slow spade]

its just the most consistent pick on a bad choice

[full nacelle]

listen guys, if you want your 1 extra 10% damage attack in a run, go for For the Emperor

[old prism]

For the emperor is…. Very very mediocre as its base damage increase instead of a power multiplier. Also only lasts 5 seconds, so whatever.

Born leader is also… meh. It is not as big of a support tool as it seems honestly.

I generally path through for the emperor, because damage is damage lol

[full nacelle]

if you know how good Out for Blood with the Rashad is and can see that being somewhat useful is comparison, go for Born Leader

it's a crap choice either way lol

[uncut pebble]

This is definitely one of the arguments of al time.

[orchid hemlock]

Yes I would much rather prefer more damage than worrying about 20 toughness for my allies 💀

[uncut pebble]

You're using out for blood with rashad??? Why am I bothering arguing with you again???

[full nacelle]

Out for Blood with Rashad is meta

what you talking about?

[uncut pebble]

Confirmed kill or bust.

You want melee, path that way.

[tall torrent]

nah CK is still the meta but O4B rashad has a place

[full nacelle]

listen I have a build that has CK and O4B stacked on Rashad

[orchid hemlock]

Hell I'm pretty sure my team will appreciate it more too

[slow spade]

Out for Blood is good if you go for the Sprint Efficiency curios

[full nacelle]

this build is meant for something else

if you want my top tier rashad melee vet build

I can share that

[slow spade]

if you don't have Sprint Efficiency curios, its kind of questionable

[uncut pebble]

Just make a plasma toughness battery build at this point lil bro...

[full nacelle]

I was just sharing a revolver build

[tall torrent]

o4b rashad is unironically that but better

[uncut pebble]

I mean, gloryhunter exists.

[full nacelle]

You're the one literally telling me to when I told you that Born Leader is not the point of this build

[tall torrent]

it's 40% toughness per swing, every swing

[hearty panther]

OfB kicks hella ass if you have any ability to kill quickly

[slow spade]

assmuing you can get the Rashad 😔

Hadron please

[uncut pebble]

You can run gets hot and gloryhunter on your plasma with born leader and confirmed kill, boom, instant shitloads of toughness for everyone in coherency.

[tall torrent]

not as high as o4b rashad

[faint beacon]

First time I have ever seen path

[tall torrent]

and u can do both

[full nacelle]

I have a build just like that Snog. It also has the Rashad with O4B. I never die. My teammates never die.

[faint beacon]

Gas the fuck up out of O4B

[full nacelle]

It is mad braindead

love it

[uncut pebble]

Wild, aint it?

[tall torrent]

I like it, it's just that CK scales higher in elite spawns

[faint beacon]

It really is

[uncut pebble]

Especially with how many damage talents you sacrifice with that.

[tall torrent]

but O4B is strong

[tall torrent]

?????

[slow spade]

you mean the 0 damage talents?

unless you mean Longshot lol

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t say such

[tall torrent]

my guy u rly just don't know what ur talking abt

[uncut pebble]

2 point investment into out for blood means you lose out on a couple damage talents you could otherwise pick up.

[blazing notch]

I think I am out of the loop. What is Out for Blood? I can find the blessing but just need to know what weapon to look on lol

[slow spade]

my guy you literally don't even have 2 talents to lose at that point

[somber axle]

The only damage talent you maybe give up for squad toughness battery is For the Emperor if you take Born Leader instead and that's only if you can't spare the point for FtE after

[slow spade]

I think you're just trolling

[uncut pebble]

Path to the right on vets tree at the very top.

[tall torrent]

I've seen some insane tier takes from him before

[uncut pebble]

Kills replenish +5% more toughness.

[somber axle]

Are you talking about taking BOTH

[blazing notch]

Shows how much I know

[faint beacon]

Type side of the talent tree far right

[slow spade]

Vet chat moment

[tall torrent]

he's either master baiting or just plain ignorant

[somber axle]

Because like yeah going both Confirmed Kill and Out for Blood would be silly

[uncut pebble]

That's what I'm saying.

[faint beacon]

Melee gives you 10% toughness back on kill and ranged gives you 5% vs 0%

[uncut pebble]

"Erm, out for blood Rashad is really good!" 🤓

[red robin]

Man I love the 5% toughness on kill talent

[somber axle]

It's just sorta overkill and you really don't need Glory Hunter, Confirmed Kill AND Out for Blood

[uncut pebble]

Literally just path down the middle like a normal person.

[faint beacon]

WDYM

[tall torrent]

it is

[faint beacon]

I NEED IT

[red robin]

That with born leader generates so much toughness with double barrel and manstopper

[somber axle]

It is very funny with Born Leader LOL

[full nacelle]

I'm sorry but I like to specialize my builds because they're fun and interesting. I couldn't give less of a crap about optimization if it means ruining the theme. Game is easy enough as it is.

[faint beacon]

We’re going to the fucking MOON with this toughness generation Sneaky

[uncut pebble]

That's just manstopper carrying the talent, though, not the other way around.

[blazing notch]

I feel like I would be ripped apart like roadkill if I shared my talent tree in here 😂

[somber axle]

But it's absolutely investing so much into toughness generation

[orchid hemlock]

I meanin that case TR versus O4B, then yeah O4B is better

[red robin]

Yeah

I skip confirmed kill

[last parcel]

no we must spend the next 30 minutes arguing about travel talents

[red robin]

And take weapon specialist toughness regen

[uncut pebble]

You'd be best asking for a talent tree and thinking about what to pick based on that and your current tree, rather than sharing what you're using right now.

[radiant chasm]

[orchid hemlock]

TRUUUU

[red robin]

I just build what’s fun

[uncut pebble]

Vet chat is notorious for either ripping you apart or giving slight tips.

[somber axle]

Share it anyway because the criticisms and learned perspectives are always worth. The new knowledge and better optimization is greater than any meaningless shame

[uncut pebble]

And on any given day it's a fucking coin flip.

[full nacelle]

so real 😔

[red robin]

Bro other peoples opinion don’t matter over your own

[somber axle]

Plus if you have a good build then you get good noodle points from the good Vets

[red robin]

Be happy and delusional

[uncut pebble]

🤮

[blazing notch]

https://tenor.com/view/execution-gif-24034353

[orchid hemlock]

I still born leader is trash tho

[blazing notch]

Can assure you that will not be the case lol

[uncut pebble]

Cat PLEASE do not recommend people fish for brownie points with the "good vets."

[radiant chasm]

ok just checking right, does born leader require you to be below full toughness

[last parcel]

no

[red robin]

No

They fixed that

[orchid hemlock]

No

[radiant chasm]

thank the emperor

[somber axle]

I think I've seen a handful of times someone shares a build asking for tips and others say it's solid without much to change

[uncut pebble]

The game always considers you to be generating toughness even if you're at full toughness.

[full nacelle]

Honestly don't sweat it too much. I think the best way to build is to just say what you want to do and what weapons you want to use. The game is easy enough that you don't have to optimize, but there's a lot of synergies that will make things easier/more fun to play together.

[blazing notch]

I have been getting along in Damnations just fine, but there is no coherency and I dip into all 3 "columns" at some points

[tall torrent]

he's said stuff like purgatus psyker being insane boss dmg, not in vet chat

[radiant chasm]

still 15% of 5% toughness is nothing

[red robin]

250 toughness and +50 from shout is a big amount of toughness coming

Yeah

[uncut pebble]

You're taking that out of context, but alright.

I said when stacked with uncanny.

[hearty panther]

Entirely normal.

[faint beacon]

Rending Flames

[orchid hemlock]

If born leader also gave the toughness to you then that is another story tho

[tall torrent]

even that is not "high boss dmg"

[blazing notch]

okay so what do I use to show off the whole tree in 1 screenshot? As opposed to like 3 screenshots in game

[last parcel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[vestal widget]

gameslantern builds and screenshot

[hearty panther]

Damn near all my trees look like that

[blazing notch]

Like this? How do I do this presentation

[last parcel]

zoom out then sceenshot

[red robin]

I got power di to track around 70-90k toughness generated from born leader in my usual runs I use with manstopper double barrel or las pistol tunnel vision build

[vestal widget]

with clipping tool

[blazing notch]

mmm okay, brb, thank you!

[radiant chasm]

uncanny is only going to give you 25% damage cause soulblaze does 1.0 or higher to everything but carapace

[blazing notch]

yall are about to get a kick out of this 😂

[uncut pebble]

Peak but superiority complex > marksman.

[full nacelle]

Born Leader is a meme, but it's a fun meme

[red robin]

So true

Fun build, not optimal but I make it work

[uncut pebble]

25% more damage at max stacks of soublaze is still a lot of damage.

[tall torrent]

he just doesn't know

[full nacelle]

it's crap until it isn't... and then you and your teammates are running around with so much overhealth nothing can touch you

[red robin]

Lmao I love those matches with randoms

[radiant chasm]

is that also factoring in you giving your teammates toughness while they are at max

[hearty panther]

Nah. Marksman strongly overtakes by default. Both is ideal but I never go without at least one stam delay node.

[uncut pebble]

Especially because I can just draw my duelling sword and keep poking the boss in the weakspot while they cook.

[radiant chasm]

every person is auric (should) has capable toughness regen on their own

[uncut pebble]

That's valid, stamina delay on vet is ass.

[vestal widget]

should is doing some heavy lifting there

[full nacelle]

should being the optimal word

[uncut pebble]

I may actually put stamina regen stuff on my curios when the update drops.

[radiant chasm]

if i'm with a shout vet, my gold toughness sustains itself

[red robin]

I don’t think it does, there was a match where no one’s toughness dropped and power di recorded 41k

That’s honestly mostly shout protecting them

I COULD BE WRONG

[blazing notch]

time to eat 😶‍🌫️

[full nacelle]

also... it's not like my Born Leader build is specifically for the team... I like being an immortal toughness god

[vestal widget]

what weps is that tree for

[full nacelle]

dodging is for losers

[uncut pebble]

That is surprisingly not terrible.

[radiant chasm]

Lmao

[uncut pebble]

Like actually I see nothing wrong with that at all.

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/opinion-vibe-gif-24179784

All of the sheeple including me about to jump into dodges defence

[full nacelle]

what weapons you using?

[uncut pebble]

Wait yes I do, get rid of the auto pickup on shout.

[vestal widget]

i've played ck born leader ofb gloryhunter plasma before; it's funny to just shove toughness into assorted randoms

[blazing notch]

I have been mostly using the agrip mk 1 infantry auto gun but a few games ago I swapped to a Plasma gun and have been loving it, but have not changed a single thing about my build to account for it lol

Kinda double dipping on the krak nade spam + plasma gun for example, but in some Damnations I swear no one damages a boss unless its a god tier ogryn or a vet.

[radiant chasm]

might also be me not going coherency stuff anymore

[faint beacon]

HOLY BASED AIAG USER

[radiant chasm]

idk

[red robin]

“Bro don’t you know optimizing for the team game ain’t optimal for damage breakpoints?!!!”

[blazing notch]

Also been using the Devils Claw Mk IV sword, might be switching to this shovel soon though 😂

[uncut pebble]

I AM ALSO AN AIAG USER, SHIT FUCKS SO MUCH HARDER THAN COLUMNUS

[tall torrent]

plasma gun needs breakpoints
4 point to spec into what u want
drop longshot, it's just not worth it now

[radiant chasm]

AIAG has cleave

ciag has the raw single target dps

[tall torrent]

make sure ur plasma can actually hit breakpoints tho

[red robin]

Does the cleave stack MF?

If so peak

[uncut pebble]

My raw single target dps comes from my melee in most builds.

[tall torrent]

plasma without 1 tap breakpoints is plain worthless

[radiant chasm]

it should? if it's weakspot kills it is a weakspot kill

[blazing notch]

Not sure how I never noticed Agile Engagement. That sounds so good

[full nacelle]

Graia Braced gang where you at?

[red robin]

Let’s goooo

[blazing notch]

Still looking at it

[vestal widget]

assuming you have a reasonably good statted plasma, consider flak/elite or elite/maniac (elite gets you bp on unarmoured gunner hs, also bodyshots for shotgunners iirc). maniac isn't necessary if you have enough damage buffs to oneshot flamers, flak/elite is for a voc plasma build for one shots on everything human sized

[radiant chasm]

zzz

[vestal widget]

idk exestance plasma bps

[radiant chasm]

real hippies remember agri brauto days

[tall torrent]

it's just elite + flak

maniac only changes 1 breakpoint

[vestal widget]

i need maniac for reliable bps on one of my plasma guns for flamers

[tame lodge]

🫡

[red robin]

I just spam shots and walk slow like I’m playing an auto scroller when I use plas

[radiant chasm]

pure rambo agri brauto

[hearty panther]

i still have my first agrip brauto with stripped down on my zealot. good times

[vestal widget]

i hate double tapping flamers

[full nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-hamster-hide-peek-cute-gif-17376715

[tall torrent]

maniac needs some crazy extra investment to reach 1 bodyshot noncrit flamer

[tall torrent]

u don't need maniac to 1 tap flamer with plasma

[full nacelle]

Graia Braced is the absolute king of suppression

[hearty panther]

luv the graia

[vestal widget]

is that with only unconditional buffs

[tall torrent]

u just need at least +15% ranged dmg from talent tree and precision strikes

[full nacelle]

it's a crowd control hose of bullets

[tall torrent]

but u need high dmg & sp roll

[tame lodge]

[red robin]

I wish that weapon family had powderburn

[radiant chasm]

death is the ultimate crowd control

and it's permanent

[hearty panther]

wrong

[full nacelle]

yes but I like to watch the gunners cower in fear as I shower them in little pea pellets

[blazing notch]

this is the current Plasma, still upgrading some other plasmas for more blessings before I edit anything on it, I know the stamina is not good but if I needed to change both Blessings and couldn't, I would be much more sad

[red robin]

So true

[blazing notch]

Haven't invested enough in a good plasma yet

[radiant chasm]

powder burn for the recoil control on brautos, good, rest of it, not so good

[full nacelle]

saaame... I have no clue why it's on the autopistol

[red robin]

Yeah

[vestal widget]

my good plasma doesn't need the maniac but the other one that i had before needed maniac for the hs bp without conditional buffs (mf/retarget/longshot/on-ability-use buffs)

[red robin]

I hate the auto pistol

[vestal widget]

you ideally want flak/elite anyway for the flak rager 1s

[red robin]

Then again

I don’t really use it so idk abt it

[last parcel]

damn that stopping power is rough

[uncut pebble]

MAKE AUTOPISTOL GREAT AGAIN

[radiant chasm]

doesn't plasma want focus target not MF

[full nacelle]

I did too until yesterday. Gave it another shot with a new build and its kind of popping off.

[blazing notch]

I like this alot. Thank you for not taking away my grenade regen lol. I'm going to use one of those talent tree loadout slots and try this out after spending the other 4 somewhere. Thank you!!

[blazing notch]

yeah 😔

[vestal widget]

i made a MF one to grind the MF penance

[tame lodge]

Ceaseless barrage in less than 2 days

[vestal widget]

by shooting into hordes lol

[radiant chasm]

MF penance use a shotgun

[red robin]

What that do?

[full nacelle]

only problem I have with my autopistol build is that it is so damn ammo hungry

[radiant chasm]

lawby specifically

ironic I know

but it's good

[tall torrent]

MF gives u dreg rager 1hs (FT cannot without +maniac)
but MF plasma is also insane behaviour

[uncut pebble]

I used a recon mk7.

[tame lodge]

Extra suppression + extra damage against suppressed

[tall torrent]

fortunately this is all irrelevant because next patch has new blessing Energy Leakage

[red robin]

Oh

We are so back

[radiant chasm]

recons don't have enough weakspot damage for me tbh

[tall torrent]

which just enables it for u

[full nacelle]

Oh hell yeah dude

that's gonna be huge for the Graia