veteran-class

[terse idol]

yipee

Ya still want +elites doe

Instead of unyielding

[faint beacon]

I mean it works though for Crusher/Mauler and Boss Nuking

[tall torrent]

Swap unyielding to elite

Volatile to gloryhunter/blaze away

[terse idol]

I'm in the boat that uhh

It has pretty alright unyielding damage out of the booat

[faint beacon]

Not a huge fan of Caxes but

could be a god roll in 5 days

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

Still waiting for the update with this one lmao

Also got this lmao

Past few days have been good for the upcoming prep for the update

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

Bro how the fuck did I miss this lmao

[hollow warren]

lmao I just saw the most impressive DH kill ever. me (psyker) and 3 other vets, looks like they were on voice chat because of how coordinated they threw all their Krak nades at the still docile host

that thing melted faster than you could say "daemon host"

[tawny badger]

hm, not enough snipers on this maelstrom

[hollow warren]

sick light show

[tawny badger]

why is damage falloff at range so terrible

[unique orchid]

a: you are playing veteran just have longshot if youre suffering that frequently
b: most of the maps are pretty close quarters

[tall torrent]

Which gun

[faint beacon]

Okay what the fuck

Literally doing normal Damnation

for a Plasteel run

and we had 12 snipers spawn all at once

[near abyss]

What should I aim for on curios?

[faint beacon]

2 Toughness + 1 HP
2 HP + 1 Toughness

thats the usual on Veteran

mainly Toughness though

[near abyss]

And secondary?

[tall torrent]

200 health and 20% sniper resist
Everything else up to u

[tawny badger]

any

I feel the damage falloff with most of the guns apart from the boltguns

[faint beacon]

you try Headhunters?

or like ILAG's

those type of marksmen esc rifles

they tend to not have fall off

[terse idol]

What are your ilas look like?

[tawny badger]

I dont use the lasguns

[faint beacon]

Could be a reason there

[tall torrent]

Most guns don’t have harsh damage falloff over range

[faint beacon]

if you prefer Ballistics and Gunpowder like me

use Headhunters

[tall torrent]

Columnus Mk5 and laspistols (both) have notably harsh dropoff

[tawny badger]

I use the vraks mk 7

[faint beacon]

What's it looking like stat wise and blessing wise

[tawny badger]

lemme see

[faint beacon]

THATS WHY

You're stuck with no respite

Thats a good Mk 7

you can very easily fix it here in a few days

get Deadly Accurate over No Res

[tall torrent]

Toughness, health, gunner resist, sprint efficiency, stamina regen, extra ordo dockets

[tawny badger]

aint like I can change it now

[faint beacon]

Surgical + Deadly Accurate is fucking insane on Mk7

that and if you get Unarmored/Flak

actual god roll

Unarmored allows for BPs on Gunners

If you have the patience you're sitting on a soon to be Gem

[tawny badger]

oh

I guess I got this too

[amber mortar]

are those mauls any good ?

[tawny badger]

it's fucked how it says it's high capacity but it effectively only has 32 shots

high capacity my ass

[faint beacon]

I was like holy shit nice gu-

see's what mark it is

weeps

MG12 got powercrept

I'd say again like your Mk7 hold onto it

UnL will let you change it to a 1A

[final locust]

i like the MG 12 but i want that model but automatic

ya feel me

is it better now too then?

[tawny badger]

then there's these beauties

[amber mortar]

what should i change in it ?

[tawny badger]

they be my pride and joy yes they do

[plucky cypress]

swap out between the eyes for something else unless you particularly want it

[faint beacon]

Honestly

Agri IAG

Just aim for the head You'll notice it drops things pretty damn decent at distance

[tawny badger]

too bad my headshot accuracy is dogshit 😅

[faint beacon]

You quickly learn thats something you'll have to master on Veteran

especially with this wacky talent

literally free damage increase

[terse idol]

Between the eyes for head hunter

Caparace for like Maniac

[tawny badger]

^

chances are you're gonna be running determined anyway

[tame lodge]

If Precision Strikes is not enough motivation to hit heads then get MF

With Aiag

It goes hard

[faint beacon]

They need to tweak MF a bit more tbh its

not great

but its still good!

[amber mortar]

MF?

[tall warren]

Anyone know how Opening Salvo works when using a double barrel shotgun?

[last parcel]

marksman’s focus keystone on the left

[last parcel]

it works when you have both shots loaded in the barrel

[plucky cypress]

You spam the dualfire

[sullen scarab]

What are the best blessings for the MK4 Chainsword? Is it Rampage/Savage Sweep or Shred/Savage Sweep?

[patent birch]

which perks yall run on spearhead

[tame lodge]

Yes

[sullen scarab]

ok lmao

I guess I'll try out Shred/SS on it, since I think I saw Azrael say it was better than Rampage

[red robin]

Needs more incentive on slow firing weapons

I think the gain ratio needs to be double for slow firing weapons

Semi autos

[kindred horizon]

Personally I run laspistol to get my headshot bonuses

[red robin]

Las pistol is goated

New blessings on the 26th

If concentrated fire works like the revolvers chained weakspot power blessing

It’s going to be absurd

Easy 50% crit with deadshot and that blessing

[kindred horizon]

The regular Lasgun are in a good state in my opinion when it comes to headshotting since its one of the few weapons that uses an optic (that isn't iron sights). I haven't had much luck running Helbore though

[red robin]

Opening salvo talent is being buffed to first 20% of ammo has 10% crit chance

Reciprocity has 25% crit on good dodging which is easy to get with high mobility las pistol or ghost

That’s easily 80-90% ranged with crits

Gonna rock a crit damage and weakspot damage perks las pistol with the 15 stack MF

The accatran las pistol has really high finesse curve at 80% damage

[kindred horizon]

See, I'm stupid and run crit on my melee as veteran at the moment

[red robin]

It ain’t bad

Some weapons make solid use of crit

[kindred horizon]

Then again, I also run a lot of toughness regen and is more of a support build than anything else

[red robin]

But I think reciprocity and desperado is a solid amount of crit for melee

Fuck I love precognition tbh

60% finesse on melee ain’t no joke

[kindred horizon]

I have bleed stacked on my Catacha Mk VI knife but it relies on crit, so I'll probs gun for Desperado on my laspistol

[red robin]

Desperado only applies crit chance and finesse to melee

Reciprocity applies to both

The las pistol has innate crit chance on it I think

10% + 5% base I believe?

Man I wanna see the finalized patch notes so bad

[sleek garden]

have we all seen the new train trailer

the little bit of music at the end

It's gonna be good

https://youtu.be/IGPVTYzBGBI?si=-2rC3kx8MBc2Ycgx

It's not even in this servers announcements yet

[frank basin]

Timed base mission: stress going be 100% when conditions like the histg

[frank basin]

@pliant agate

[tall torrent]

it's very good

+35% M.crit chance is a lot

[plucky cypress]

stat spread worth grabbing for update?

[last parcel]

for sure

[tawny badger]

society if deadshot didnt give you severe asthma

https://tenor.com/view/society-if-gif-22696824

[tame lodge]

Reduced sway and extra crit for free‽ Nah too broken

Now watch as I become immune to suppression

[umbral scaffold]

supression is better

i unironically canot make deadshot work , abysmal uptime

[bold comet]

I really like deadshot. You only notice it's badassery when you slap a couple crushers, maulers or ragers after killing some horde. Really adds alot of power to a build and doesn't leave you vulnerable as much as you think it would

[umbral scaffold]

on paper yeah but, the uptime...

id rathe rput competitive urge instead or supression immunity as theses are 100% on

[bold comet]

Just gotta fight with your gun point blank more then you should imo

[bold comet]

To each their own. The ttk is way better when you can deal with it. Last night we got bum rushed by ragers and a few bulwark/crusher. If I didn't mow down 7-10 ragers in half a mag I don't think we would have made it out unscathed.

Id say it has to be paired with mf

[umbral scaffold]

REAL REAL REAL

laspistol new knife

[tall torrent]

Suppression immunity depends on the ranged weapon being used

[slow spade]

suppression immunity on my braced autoguns UwU

[frank ether]

what does competitive urge ever do for you

[umbral scaffold]

its always up in high difficulties

[slow spade]

except when you need it

[frank ether]

is it thouggh?

[umbral scaffold]

lots of elites so yeah

lots of enemies

[frank ether]

''always up'' as in it procs when I'm hitting poxwalkers that die when I look at them regardless

[slow spade]

you need it up when your teammates aren't killing

[umbral scaffold]

your allies kill shit nonstop so its up all the time yeah

[frank ether]

guess there are worse flex points but still supp immunity has a very noticeable effect on some guns

[slow spade]

as they're probably eating rocks

[frank ether]

as opposed to a damage buff that may not even matter

[slow spade]

The Emperor sends his blindest soldiers to Nurgle's hungriest pox hounds

[frank ether]

its also next to two really powerful nodes

if comp urge replaced born leader I think I'd be more inclined to take it

which is probably why they didn't put it there

but for the emperor is also a great node

so it would still be rough competition

[slow spade]

replace that +25% suppression node that everyone has to take UwU

[frank ether]

that would make me happy

but then it just becomes another guaranteed node for every build lol

no longer even a choice

and I think vet has enough passive power as is

[slow spade]

na we need to go back to old Vet with base 10% crit, 200 toughness and 7.5% toughness regen per melee kill

[lavish token]

Post power DI evidence

[frank ether]

we're getting %25 swap speed, exe getting fixed and plasma is not even nerfed

its wild

[umbral scaffold]

idk what that means

[slow spade]

somehow Tactical Awareness and VoC have been untouched

no way Fatshark isn't aware of those talents

[lavish token]

The talent is universally regarded as bad

[frank ether]

I am of the opinion vet needed buffs to the other two ults and what voc/infil needs is a rework to some nodes, not flat nerfs, though these reworks will effectively nerf some playstyles I suppose

[slow spade]

would help

[umbral scaffold]

infil could use a lil retouch maybe the number of times you can shoot without going out of it maybe

or something liek that

[slow spade]

I mostly just think the combo of Tac Awareness + VoC is way too strong

[lavish token]

Stealth needs to be completely reworked to not be stealth

[slow spade]

grenade ult pls

I want to be a grenade spammer

[lavish token]

Both forms of stealth are so insanely op

[slow spade]

both?

oh wait Zealotr

nvm

[frank ether]

So I would say yellow toughness should either be nuked entirely out of the game or if its to remain it should come with cd increase, and then give voc an alternate node that serves as a ranged TDR/toughness boost and maybe stun immunity for the duration, maybe make this scale in duration/power with how many enemies are hit by your shout. And lastly then make it a choice so you can't stack both nodes.

I think there is a genuine need for a vet ult choice that offers survivability and stun immunity, but yellow toughness carries not just the vet but teammates that wouldn't survive without it

I keep thinking like ''oh nuke it out of the game'' but they did nerf cd for zealot relic and it sort of did reduce its usage. It could also work for vet, I just want the ult itself to get gutted, just the yellow toughness part.

[tall torrent]

Tbh
Nerf VoC’s gold toughness to +20, duration cut from 15s to 8s, and increase the base cooldown by 10s

Maybe even nerf gold toughness to +10

[frank ether]

I think the problem is yellow toughness the way it works is very OP even if you only have like +1

[tall torrent]

But basically make it break from a single hit from literally anything

+50 allows u to take sometimes 2 or 3 hits before it breaks which is crazy

Or just remove gold toughness from VoC and make it do %TDR

[hearty panther]

Iron Will isn't helping there but that skill is way too cool conceptually to get nerfed because of VoC being so dummy

[frank ether]

I want this as a node and have the eventual VoC nerf just effect that specific node

[tall torrent]

But %TDR could also be almost as strong

[frank ether]

there are a lot of individual things we could put fingers at and say ''this is the problem'' but at the end of the day I invite you all to try playing VoC without yellow toughness node and tell me your honest feelings if you think its still OP

[hearty panther]

Even teamwide full toughness refill instead of just you

[terse idol]

I mean voc without yellow toughness is just fart

The ult

[hearty panther]

naked VoC isn't busted OP but it's still prett damn strong

[terse idol]

Maybe my mentalities changed because of hd2 but damn

I'm not craaazy about nerfing voc

If anything it still only affects the average to lower level players

Good players will just adjust

[frank ether]

most of the things in this game are pretty damn strong, point is yellow toughness pushes it to OP mark

[tall torrent]

It’s not, it’s still good and is sitting in the most convenient pathing spot for veteran’s tree

[frank ether]

yeah, I think its a really cool ult and I'm a bit malding that people want to nerf it in lame ways instead of tackling the actual problematic parts of it which is teamwide yellow t

[somber axle]

I think it's mainly just the crazy uptime you get with it when you use it with Tactical Awareness tbh

[terse idol]

Yah

[somber axle]

Gold toughness teamwide is strong but having it up virtually 100% of the time during fights because you can hit it again before it drops off is why it's so powerful

[terse idol]

It getting significantly stronger the higher difficulty you play

And... kinda being balanced when you're lower is weiiird

[frank ether]

thats...how all the vet ults work?

[terse idol]

Insanely strong also on hunting grounds

[terse idol]

Infil too?

I guess

Woops!

[somber axle]

I feel like Infiltrate use is more situational vs VoC

[terse idol]

Thought I was cooking

Like Infil is baseline

I feel

[somber axle]

VoC is just always useful vs Infiltrate is more a repositioning tool or to drop aggro to play ambulance for someone who went down

[terse idol]

Effective about the same on any difficulty
Vs
Constant yellow toughness spam

[hearty panther]

man i missed Recons

[somber axle]

With Relentless being made baseline for Exe Stance a nerf to Tactical Awareness wouldn't hurt so much. And I don't think Infiltrate is an ability that needs to be spammed in the same way VoC does so a Tactical Awareness nerf isn't going to hurt it nearly as much as VoC would feel the sting

[hearty panther]

oh yea and zealot recons will be coming

ah yeee

its already pretty wild that tacawa is a flat #

[somber axle]

I think they should give Tactical Awarenes the Survivalist Aura treatment

and give it a CD on how often it can proc

[tall torrent]

Tac awareness absolutely should not be flat -6s, it should at least be a % based reduction

[somber axle]

leave the number alone but make it so it only procs every 3 sec or 5 sec or something

[tall torrent]

I’d also much rather if Tac awareness worked off both elite & specialist kills in smaller qualities than a big -6s from a single specialist

[somber axle]

What % would you choose then?

[hearty panther]

5%

That's really just Psykinetics Aura for Shootbois

[somber axle]

wouldn't 5% just be 1.5 sec per special kill

for VoC

[tall torrent]

Like 15%? If keeping it to “specialist kills only”
So exe & VoC both get -4.5s compared to old -6s which is a 25% nerf
Infiltrate actually gets buffed because it’d be -6.75s which is 12.5% buff

[somber axle]

which like I think would be heavy handed for nerfing uptime and I'm not entirely in disagreement there but I think it'd make a lot of VoC mains feel like it swings too hard

[tall torrent]

But I think azreal’s idea also works fine in conjunction, limiting the total CDR you can have from it would be nice

[somber axle]

I like this idea

[tall torrent]

Prob cap it to “only proc up to 3 times between ability uses”

[somber axle]

I'm not sure if Infiltrate needs the buff but I think VoC could definitely do with some sort of nerf to uptime and the main problem is definitely Tactical Awareness right now

[tall torrent]

Lore-accurate Astartes power armor

[hearty panther]

its true vets are the real space marines

[fallen plinth]

rejoined a game, found myself flying outta the map

[tall torrent]

So yea my proposal for Tactical Awareness would be
Change it from [-6s flat] to [-15% of ability’s total CD]
This results in Executioner’s Stance & Voice of Command getting -4.5s per proc (25% nerf), and Infiltrate getting -6.75s per proc (12.5% buff)

In addition, limit Tactical Awareness to only be able to proc up to 3 times between using abilities, which means that Executioner’s Stance & Voice of Command can receive up to -13.5s CD between uses, and Infiltrate can receive up to -20.25s CD between uses (assuming no +% base CD nodes taken)

Then just nerf VoC’s gold toughness from there

Less gold toughness, less duration

yea I'm basically making this up idk what they wanna do lol

[uncut pebble]

This would be so huge...

[crude fiber]

Less gold toughness doesn't mean much to me personally as long as it can still save you from big hits like busters and overheads

[azure zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/bwah-scared-shocked-surprised-king-of-the-hill-gif-5547828

[glad kite]

which lasgun

is good

[frank basin]

Mg1a

[red robin]

Damn

I like that

Percentage seems hella solid

Didn’t they do that with zealots CD on crit blessing

Converted flat number to percentage

I think the extended duration on shroud field might be fun with that

Quick window of burst

[orchid hemlock]

for 6d is infernus or dumdum better? 🤔

[frank basin]

Dumdum

Infernus they said is funny set shit on fire

[placid portal]

Bayonets

[rigid pilot]

I can have arguments for both dumdum and infernus on 6d

[tall torrent]

on veteran, dum dum + deathspitter

[somber axle]

Dum Dum is better than Infernus on DPS/TTK on most targets at most ranges. Infernus really only outdoes Dum Dum when you lose out on the Close Range damage and now that you get the max benefit up to 12.5m that covers most engagements you'll realistically have with it outside of trying to fight gunners across a room and trying to hit a sniper. Infernus is mostly just if you want the funny fire effect

Deathspitter as a second blessing works only if you go Reciprocity to help push crit. If you're not a fan of Reciprocity gameplay go Headhunter instead

I like funny fire effect and the satisfying moment of seeing a pox hound leap away around a corner on fire only to see it pop up in the kill feed a second later when it's not even in line of sight so sometimes I run one with Infernus

[tall torrent]

infernus is ok on gun psyker with recon

[somber axle]

but it's generally worse

[tall torrent]

I wish infernus had smth special going on for veteran but double dps is just generally better

it's still fine

[somber axle]

Infernus on Vet needs either Headhunter or Recipocity for sure

[tall torrent]

I'm now ~70% done with the curio & defense section of veteran guide

[somber axle]

maybe Gunker vibes later tonight with an Infernus + Dum Dum Recon Mk VId...

[tall torrent]

finally found 2 veteran cosmetic sets I like (and somehow don't run into major clipping issues at all)

[lavish token]

I only like the early penance gear on zealot

[tall torrent]

the candles after 2 years

also it's very funny that thunder hammer H2 literally bends ur character's wrist in such a chaos-fucked way

most zealot cosmetics look super cursed with this atk animation

[somber axle]

Headhunter gets lower value the higher your crit chance. You could do Reciprocity and Headhunter but the crit chance increase from Headhunter has a weird diminishing return effect if you can stack and maintain Recip throughout fights well

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but realistically what would I replace the node with?

bring it down?

[somber axle]

Close Quarters Kill Zone feeds down the path toward Onslaught which you need on the Recon Mk VId anyway

Since you also need Shock Trooper and Rending Strikes it limits your options for talents

[orchid hemlock]

Reci is still useful for melee tho

maybe Desperado?

[somber axle]

I had a whole thing typed up but your picture helps explain the situation better LOL

[bold comet]

I watched a video today that said I should be hanging on to all my weapons until the update. Why would I want to do that

[somber axle]

Fire Team + VoC means you save a talent point getting Demo Stockpile you might otherwise need for Demo Team to have grenade regen on an Exe Stance/Surv Aura build

I'd personally prefer having a keystone tbh

Weapon Specialist ranged attack speed is very fun

[bold comet]

Why does everyone hate on mf

I honestly think it's the best

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus is fun but it really depends on your weapon for finesse breakpoints and usually people prefer Focus Target + Redirect Fire for hitting and maintaining breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

MF doesn't function nearly as well as most people think it does

[somber axle]

I think Marksman's Focus + Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes is the best combo for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa. The finesse stuff is eh on the Recons but the extra rending is very nice

They benefit immensely from more rending

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but the finesse is wasted

and having to stack it to full to get the rending makes the node feel soo heavy 😔

[somber axle]

It has a very significant change on DPS/TTK for armour with CitA and aiming heads is surprisingly easy to maintain stacks of MF on the Recons

Onslaught is very weak for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa because of their slow fire rates

40% brittleness sounds good until you realise it is only 2.5% per stack

You have to build it to that and it doesn't have nearly the power on TTK performance for the other Recon variants as it does the VId

[orchid hemlock]

it works well enough, because you just need the brittleness to rip the armor of crushers

it doesn't need to reach full stacks to deal with most stargets

[somber axle]

I wouldn't say Onslaught makes the VIIa or II good at Crusher killing, just very mediocre

I usually play the VIIa and II like Infantry Lasguns and bring a can opener melee for Carapace

[tall torrent]

this is pretty much it

for a recon M1 + W build

[lavish token]

Missing a power on ability use

[midnight totem]

I hope good players return to Darktide soon

An entire week of people just dying, played a game earlier, saw a guy with 5 wounds

[orchid hemlock]

nah my dude this update is just going to bring more shitters, we are all that is left 😔

[midnight totem]

Martyr zealot? No

Martyr psyker

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-annoyed-ron-ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-gif-8140097

[trim steppe]

My favorite is when you get netted or dogged, and your teammate 5m away decides to clear the whole horde before freeing you

[distant tree]

anyone got a leveling tree for veteran?

[orchid hemlock]

Beeline to VOC

[mighty anvil]

Average Darktide player

[uncut pebble]

I mean, a 40k battlefield game sounds fucking sick.

EA definitely could pull it off with the system they use for battlefront.

[radiant chasm]

Isn’t this their own game except like

[earnest bone]

watching this made me realize i still cant refuse my zealot habits and will still pick all melee talents up to WS

[earnest bone]

with the exception that i would drop 10% rending for 20% ogres/monster damage (since this also includes Crushers, 20% damage on Crushers, Bulwarks, Reapers and all bosses for me is better than 10% rending, the one you get from onslaught is enough)

[trim steppe]

Man, I got totally owned by my teammate. Opened a door and walked out to see a crusher 2ft away prepping an overhead slam. Tried to dodge back through the door but my teammate had CLOSED IT. Got obliterated. Then same teammate rezzes me directly into the same crushers next overhead swing and I get obliterated a second time the millisecond I stand up

[topaz smelt]

hello

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-hi-jump-jumping-gif-20575909

[balmy flume]

We got a narrative trailer for the update now

Surprised the official announcements haven’t said anything yet…

[waxen glen]

Whats the new preferred melee for vet

Still the power sword?

[supple stag]

There are plenty of options, Rashad Caxe, Mk VI Power Sword with Power Cycler 4, some people run knife

Shovels can be decent too

shock mauls can do well

[balmy flume]

I think most Vet weapons are decent, ye, just pick the one you feel comfortable with

Even the Chainaxe got its long rending animation cut short so it actually works now.

[waxen glen]

Just tryna to think of a melee to bring for a melee vet build

Ad clear + unyielding/single target dmg

[balmy flume]

I would say PSword but that is just my lazy ass self.
Pretty sure other well experienced Vets can take down unyielding/massive single target damage with a knife

And, of course, obligatory meme

You best CqC weapon is still the Shredder Frag

Does everything…crowd control, damage, damage over time, knocking over Ogryns etc.

[waxen glen]

Fax bro

Love the frags

Ill see what I can do with the psword.

[balmy flume]

Just make sure you do have Power Cycler 4. Sadly it is an almost must have

[waxen glen]

How to combo that though?

Not the perk

[balmy flume]

People go for Slaughter or Brutal Momentum IIRC

[waxen glen]

Im talking about inputs

[balmy flume]

Inputs is…well, it ironically takes a bit more brains.

Block>shove>activate special>swing

Block the initial contact.
Shove to push enemy away so you can
Activate the special, then
Swing to your heart’s content.

lol

[waxen glen]

Ah got yah lol

So i was doing it right then

Sunderer an okay alternative to slaughter/bm?

[balmy flume]

Pretty much is the only way to use PSword without losing massive chunks of toughness and health, ye.
Not a blessing guru myself, sadly, but then I would say…if it suits your play style and needs, not too much difference.
(But if you want absolute meta, pls consult someone else 😅 )

PSword is powerful enough you can’t go too wrong I think, beyond the essential Cycler.

[waxen glen]

Only asking cause I havent gotten any other lvl4 perks aside from pcycle and sunderer 😭

[balmy flume]

Yea, playing Hadron Gatcha for lvl 4 blessings is not fun XD

Thankfully the revamp is coming.

[glad kite]

I was watching a video where a powersword was nuking crushers

yet mine doesnt do that

[balmy flume]

You need the following I think…
Power Cycler 4.
Damage to Ogryns/Carapace perk.
Swinging for the head with activated PSword (more damage)
Did the person show their sword/build? Could be that they took certain nodes that boost close quarters damage.

[final stone]

** + + I T E M I Z A T I O N O N T H U R S D A Y + + **

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-thanks-yes-sir-gif-27076523

is the day

[odd sparrow]

With power cycler 4. You can activate --> push attack --> light --> light to get a 2/3 hit kill depending on setup

[blazing notch]

good blessings for Mk IV devil's claw sword?

[summer mason]

not running a chainsword? thats heresy

[blazing notch]

yeah yeah lol, not even a powersword 😱

[bleak coral]

why would they start you off with the standard shovel if it wasn't bis?

[blazing notch]

I have Hammerblow IV as the only tier 4 blessing unlocked for this type (just bought and upgraded like 20 to blue and somehow had over 10 with the same damn blessing) to try and get more

This is the current roll on my best one

I could put Shred III on this sword if I consume my old sword for it

[supple stag]

@faint beacon I've got a decent Agri IX roll

[thin socket]

why are people so fucking stupid

in this game

why abandon a veteran with no ammo in a pox zone against 12 ragers

[thick kestrel]

how well does that work with surgical out of curiosity? do the crits apply to the burst as a whole?

[tropic notch]

i would

unless im running voc or relic thats not wroth it

id die myself

[thin socket]

entire team is alive and healthy

they all just ditched me

[tropic notch]

idk then

[supple stag]

It does apply for a burst

[thick kestrel]

neat! I guess that makes some sense with the crit string mechanics and whatnot...

and it seemed on face value that the burst headhunters might prefer headhunter over surgical in that sense

[supple stag]

Vraks 7 prefers surgical

As it's one tap machine

[thick kestrel]

aye, more me thinking on the III and IX being multishot and potentially not working with it as well if it worked on a per bullet basis.

[supple stag]

Headhunter seems a better blessing for IX and III, however I got those 2 blessings and shitty perks so I went for the perks

[thick kestrel]

but if the burst as a whole gets the crits, it's more viable

[supple stag]

As blessings are decent enough

[thick kestrel]

not perfect perhaps, but more than workable

[balmy flume]

I suspect the other 3 do not have good cohesion sense at all, and actually are taken out one by one gradually.

Doubly true if you have already been keeping pace with the group

[thin socket]

You gotta be incredibly blind to not see 3 ping nodes on top of one spot, while ragers are being rapidly marked, as a poor vet is being forced into a corner because he a gaggle of cracked out misfits come flooding out of a spawn door like its a clown car

and then all three collectively JUMP DOWN into a no-return zone

I'm actually not sure why shitshark decided to put a healing pod in a corner right across from a huge spawn door like that, especially right after getting off of an elevator

[lucid radish]

I’m sorry for the team that I completed this with

[terse idol]

Uhhh

Just kill them
All jokes aside

It sounds like you kinda fell behind

And the other players just left ya behond

[faint beacon]

Good shit

[terse idol]

Are you talking about the drop off in the carnival?

After you blow a hole in the wall?

[faint beacon]

Again Im going to insist this is the only variant where Surgical/HH are interchangeable on preference but that is a really good Agri 9

[faint beacon]

remove the jokes aside

straight up kill them

[terse idol]

[thick rose]

combat kinfe ruined every melee weapon

[faint beacon]

me who uses the shovel and the shovel only

with a bit of Tac Axe

[thick rose]

what the fuck is a kinfe

[balmy flume]

…yea those 3 do really feel out of their depths TBH

Like if I notice someone keeping behind for whatever reason I usually try to create a 2 pair coherency situation

So even if something like a no return drop happens nobody gets stuck behind.

[thin socket]

nay

its err

the relay mission. Dusty map. It's that area where there's a spawn door right across from a healing station tucked around the corner.

right after you ride the first elevator up

An ogryn killed a pox burster right on top of me with his shooty gun, which I was able to push away, but he was impatient and wanted that kill cred very badly at the expense of all my hp

so I wanted to heal, got trapped by the gaggle goof brigade, and the rest is history

[fading rivet]

Lately I feel like a lot of people have been shooting the bursters right on top of me and themselves, must be new and not know about pushing them being the way

[thin socket]

Not always, I had one guy type in game chat "I do it because it's really funny how upset people get over it"

People are annoying, man

[fading rivet]

Ngl I get upset when the only health damage I take is always from the damn bursters being popped in my face, I never type in chat other than one time when it had to be a bunch of noobs in a maelstrom with burster waves, and they were constantly going down cause they were shooting bursters right on top of themselves. I told them to push, not shoot.

[sleek garden]

I try to shoot them when I see them at a distance, most weapons I use can one shot them to the head

but the issue is that people expect to push them so they will sprint up to the poxburster to push it

[fading rivet]

It’s fine to shoot them at distance, really annoying when I’m about to push them and it blows up in your face😂

[sleek garden]

I've seen it happen from dot

like they're on fire and I get ready to push it and it just detonates

[fading rivet]

That wouldn’t really upset me at all cause I understand how that happens

[sleek garden]

I think the worst thing is when they jump while you're too far away to push it and it just detonates 5 feet from you, and you have to watch it happen

[fading rivet]

It’s the big guy right behind shooting into them for us both to take damage that annoyed the hell out of me recently

I’ve been playing a lot of melee vet with PS so I tend to rush into the thick of it too which doesn’t help though

[thin socket]

This shit is so annoying

its this unavoidable slowmo scene that you can't avoid. It's pure pain when one burster pop will straight up kill you because of the corruption

[terse idol]

Okay to be fair

Your shove is alot longer than it seems

Alot of times I push the burster a frame when it starts it's jump

[sleek garden]

I decided to click on a darktide video in my feed today and saw a veteran playing solo auric damnation and got mad because he got his toughness broken by 4 poxwalkers and block broke by a flamer twice in 10 seconds and he just used voice of command and instantly got gold toughness

[terse idol]

It's how I beat the pox burster modifier

[sleek garden]

And then had it back in 15 seconds

[terse idol]

Same as doggos

Or well

You can just shove the doggo with your force push

[sleek garden]

It still has a max range, usually when this happens I just dodged away from something else

[sleek garden]

He had a revolver and axe of course

voice of command is a crazy tool

[thin socket]

I do this too, paired with a bad habit of instantly swapping to my ranged weapon the second I push

[sleek garden]

my habit is not putting my gun away and I just hit the poxburster in the face with the butt of the rifle

Or revolver handle

It works sometimes

[fathom edge]

good for a cleave build?

my current

[earnest bone]

Crit damage -> Maniac
Devastating Strike -> Rampage

[fathom edge]

idk if that 5 damage changes BPs

[earnest bone]

Probably not, but MK4 is more Savage Sweep thing

MK13 is Wrath/Rampage

mk4 got some amazing heavies to proc SS

[glad kite]

so with locked and loaded you can change the stats on weapons for free

[earnest bone]

not sure if entirely free, but changing 4/4 VS 2 out of 4 is finally happening

[glad kite]

thats what i meant

[terse idol]

It will probably take resources to do so

[glad kite]

so i can make better builds instead of rng

?

[earnest bone]

you still need a good base weapon

but every weapon now can go to 380 and you can see the max stats (even if its not 380)

which makes this much easier

[glad kite]

ok

why dont they have a giant ice cube

for the plasma gun

[regal smelt]

just had a vet show up who only shot at the corruptor eye before it was exposed and ignored the 3 tentacles. Auric damnation has fallen.

[trim steppe]

How does that even happen

Like, you need to have played a few matches to get into auric dam

[regal smelt]

Dude i have no fucking idea. they actually played well. lvl 36, we got out with both grims and no deaths, just a few downs

damnation hi intense

played well as a relative term

but they held a grim

[trim steppe]

To preserve my sanity I will assume they had a visual glitch that told them the eye was open

[regal smelt]

There's no fucking way, he did it on at least 2 of the 4 eyes

He must be doing it on purpose there's no way otherwise. I had chat disabled so I couldn't even get his input

[inland orchid]

huh didnt know disabling chat was a option, i learn something new everyday

[regal smelt]

yeah, if you have a shitty enough connection or just get unlucky the game does it for you lol

I am trying my damnest to get it to work, a vpn worked for like 2 weeks but not anymore

[inland orchid]

ill keep that in mind, my connection likes dipping at weird times so might suffer this pain

[coral tiger]

which one should I replace for DumDum

[regal smelt]

speedload for sure

[robust spade]

Hello just got back into playing darktide again anyone know where to best look for build recommendations

[junior needle]

You can set set split tunneling on most vpn's to let certain applications through your normal connection

Also, disabling vpn on the intro screen (before you log in to see your characters), logging in without it to the character screen, then re-enabling seems to work well to avoid problems.

I have to do the second thing even with split tunneling on nordvpn

[junior needle]

Not reddit, gameslantern, or youtube guides that's for sure

Pick what weapons you want to use, and what grenades/ult you want and ask in the class channels

[frank monolith]

do you know how to use knife

[tawny badger]

how to use knife

1. run uncanny strike
2. spam heavies at head level

[uncut pebble]

There's a bit more to it than that, but yeah, that works as the most simple explanation.

[tawny badger]

oh my bad

how to use knife

1. run uncanny strike
2. spam heavies at head level
3. spam dodge

[uncut pebble]

I was meaning in regards to blessings, stat rolls, etc.

Vet can run mercy killer with the serrated blade talent for more consistent damage and uptime than running precog, for example.

[junior needle]

You cannot do this with the 3

[tawny badger]

fake news

[junior needle]

I mean you can but your chaffe clear will be negative

[supple stag]

Mk 6 feels better for horde clear

while still having bonkers single target

[junior needle]

Possibly a glitch where the hitbox for the eye is able to be hit in a certain spot before it should be

[frank monolith]

agreed

[junior needle]

mk6 is the best one if you can tolerate weaving heavy attacks (I don't like it)

Az likes to say "Oh well you can get super fast clear on the 3 with the push attack" and it's a narrow attack that you can't do infinitely and he's doing it on a bunch of stacked poxes in the psyk

[supple stag]

Knife isn't really a weapon I run on Vet

It feels weird

[tawny badger]

I don’t really fw psykanium that much

I prefer testing weapons out in actual missions

[radiant chasm]

(unmodded) psyk is for BPs

[last parcel]

british petroleum

[faint beacon]

its got a bit of a barrier to climb over on vet but its unironically one of the most overpowered melees on Vet next to like

Rashad and PS

get a Mk6 with Mercy Killer + Uncanny and run Serrated Blade Talent

literally turns your brain into mush with how easy it is to kill everything

[full nacelle]

the lack of autopistol buffs this patch is making me very sad

[last parcel]

buffing executioner’s stance indirectly buffs autopistol

[lavish token]

I should try exec autopistol

[radiant chasm]

Issue with autopistol is that it has terrible finesse

No longer getting carried by 100% pinning fire, making it more accurate/less recoil doesnt help a ton, weakspot/critting doesnt help a lot

Meanwhile IAGs are just beasts

Same concept but better

[tall torrent]

I now have only 2 sections left in my guide to do

[pseudo fiber]

Thank goodness there's no big rework releasing soon!
(Great job btw)

[tall torrent]

it's actually ready for the rework

I've updated it to a point where everything known abt the next patch is already in it

both heavy swords & duelling swords are included

all new blessings mentioned are included

[pseudo fiber]

Nice good work

[vestal widget]

wdym by weaving

[robust spade]

whats the best laser rifle to use and which perks for it?

[robust spade]

yes

[junior needle]

Weaving is alternating attacks to get the one's that you want. One of the heavies for mk6 has zero cleave and suggs. So you weave in a light instead where you would get it, or just block cancel whenever it comes out.

[junior needle]

They all have different uses and playstyles, you'll have to be specific about a family

ilas are very different to recons which are very different to helbores

Laspiss is also different from those

[vestal widget]

ahh, so doing the h2l3 loop. right right

[thorn lark]

good to buy?

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

Swap deci to skullcrusher and specialist damage to flak, you'll be able to fix the crit chance one after the 26th.

[robust spade]

Looking to do long-range build not sure which las gun would be the vest though

[tall torrent]

DMR sniping? Or just general “gun build”

[robust spade]

gun build

[tall torrent]

Recon Lasgun I guess

[robust spade]

ok i give this a shot what would be a good gun for this build?

[tall torrent]

recon lasgun MkVId

[robust spade]

Accatran Mk VId Recon Lasgun?

[tall torrent]

yes

[robust spade]

they only have the Accatran Mk II Recon Lasgun should i get that instead for now?

[tall torrent]

u can try

[orchid hemlock]

Here I have a full games lantern build of it: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9abbca-ad8e-424c-8780-11409eba0097/funny-laser-pointer?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is for the MK2 though.

If u want to use the VId, put deathsplitter instead of headhunter

[tall torrent]

should just be deathspitter on all 3 variants, simple

[orchid hemlock]

Maybe but does mk2 have the wave clear to proc it?

Infernus takes too long

So headhunter and spitt are the 2 options left

[tall torrent]

deathspitter is very easy to proc most of the time

[orchid hemlock]

Infernus works on the VId tho

[tall torrent]

just not as good as deathspitter outside of boss dmg

[orchid hemlock]

I heard that Infernus can be decent in situations where you have big blobs of mixed hordes

I wish onslaught worked on multiple targets because then it would make Infernus very viable into hordes of mualers/crushers by ripping all of their armor apart

[winter grove]

@tall torrent would you recommend vraks7 over mg12?

[tall torrent]

obviously yea

[winter grove]

Mg12 not getting a buff any time soon is it

[tall torrent]

actually good gun vs MG12

what do u think

[winter grove]

I blame darktide for making me like mg12

[supple stag]

I fucking love Vraks 7

[tall torrent]

WIP stagger breakpoint section

[somber axle]

Treat the Recon Mk II like an automatic Kantrael iLas imo. It doesn't do armour shredding like the Recon Mk VId. Onslaught is not a good grab on it for the steep talent tax and low return

It's very fun though and handles everything except for Carapace well

You really just need Shock Trooper and Rending Strikes to make it work

Dum Dum + Headhunter blessings if you're not a fan of the Reciprocity talent, Dum Dum + Deathspitter if you like Reciprocity

Personally I like going Deadshot, Focus Target and Target Down. The Stam regain from Target Down keeps feeding your Deadshot and it's more fun to juggle killing tagged targets imo

But if you don't like tagging lots it also does ok with Marksman's Focus + Chink in the Armour. The extra 10% rending from that with the 10% from Rending Strikes makes it perform so much better across the board and maintaining Marksman's Focus stacks is much easier now after the duration was buffed

Don't do Deadshot with Marksman's Focus + Chink in the Armour imo. It's too risky for being dry on stamina and silent poxbursters will catch you off guard

[last parcel]

they should give recon a bash to prevent that

[somber axle]

I wish

Give it a bayonet

[torpid pier]

I missed my Vrak 7, hopefully they didn't nerf it since i last played

looking forward to trying it again after 26th sept

[drowsy aspen]

Infernus is nice in a lot of niche situations

Headhunter and Dumdum are kinda hard to pass up, but it's nice when you manage to land some fire on a fleeing enemy and they die when they otherwise wouldn't have

Happens enough to be satisfying at least

[junior needle]

Onslaught still works fine on the 2, it's just not as effective

I'd take it just for simplicity and go keystoneless atm

[junior needle]

Supposedly headhunter has low practical value, with az claiming he gets like 3-5% more effective crit rate on average with it

This is particular to the recons though, and assuming you're taking other sources of crit chance

[drowsy aspen]

Hmmm I see I see

...kinda sad

[junior needle]

Infernus is just uh

It subjectively feels fine but the value is quite low

[drowsy aspen]

So what's the play if these are both supposedly mid

[junior needle]

Needs a rework

[hearty panther]

Our borrowed manager wrote that our weekly task is to 'increase UPH by suggestively selling pastries and sandwiches'. I do not think she knows what suggestively means.

[junior needle]

dumdum for sure, I haven't tried DS out with it though

In theory as long as you keep it stacked it should improve performance by a lot

But if you sit far in the back and never proc it then it won't help you

Az usually has good takes, apart from my disagreement about knife 3 having good practical clear with push attack spam

[tall torrent]

Dum dum + deathspitter

[umbral scaffold]

Dear fat shit please let me get into a game and TRY to clutch 👍

Just loaded into a game and it failed before I could even do anything

I’m already on the edge

[bold comet]

Dear ced. Try not playing on a piece of shit 10 year old pc.

[tall torrent]

[umbral scaffold]

This happens on my home desktop as well, you seem like a Redditor

Please lose weight 🙏

[junior needle]

You're assuming people use it in a sensible manner

And not magdump into chaffe perpetually

I don't believe it

[tall torrent]

[uncut pebble]

Have you considered people don't aim for the head?

[winter grove]

I magdumo chaff with an mg4

[uncut pebble]

Very silly idea, I know (genuinely not trying to sound condescending right now) but some people aren't very smart...

[winter grove]

Hard to fight the urge with 1000+ ammo

[junior needle]

mg4 is a different gun

[winter grove]

I had to drop unrelated info because that would be funny

[junior needle]

Lemme guess, you need recip stacked for that much crit

[winter grove]

I can't believe that autoguns are just lasguns but better in darktide

[tame lodge]

[junior needle]

Aiming for the head doesn't do anything in this example, but you're correct they don't

[uncut pebble]

I mean... headhunter exists...

HH does a LOT for ammo efficiency with recons.

[junior needle]

Az says it's like 3-5% effective crit rate

It was actually changed?

They unfucked the activation?

Fucking finally

When did this happen

[drowsy aspen]

Sadly there is a tabletop precedent for this

But also I DISAGREE

[junior needle]

I hate the obesefish like you wouldn't believe

That was scuffed for so long

[drowsy aspen]

RECON #1

VId, my love

Take me away from all these icky autoguns

PEWPEWPEW

[tall torrent]

updated weapon section's navigation panel

[remote grotto]

quick question. I'm trying out a melee build with weapon specialist. what are good ranged weapons to pair with that?

[terse idol]

Revolver is probably one of the best weapons with WS

Double barrel hacker shotgun isn't too bad either

Headhunter auto rifles

I should say, the zarona revolver

The agi doesn't do too bad either

[winter grove]

Recon vs IAG

[remote grotto]

ok nice. i also hear shotguns with manstopper work well? iunno if that will really help me in terms of gunner and sniper kills though

what blessings for the zarona revolver? would surgical be redundant due to weapon specialists crit chance?

[tame lodge]

Aiag sweep
Morbius.png

[winter grove]

Nah

Nuh uh

[tame lodge]

[fading wagon]

Any fun infiltrate builds? Voc seems op and boring

[gritty mural]

i find the entire right side of commando vet to be fun

just slap on iron will, mv 4 knife and revolver then you'll be good to go

[midnight totem]

I want a bayonet

on my power sword

and on my revolver

and on my bayonet

[midnight totem]

thats what I'm talking about

Kriegers op with that setup

[lime trellis]

I want to stack rending on a recon lasgun

crit focus

[hard cave]

my recon gun in a shitty pic

[oblique totem]

Wherefore?

[midnight totem]

I'm not sure how this psyker has the "auric" games played emblem

he died 7 times

watched him get picked up

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-cat-purple-purple-fire-purple-fire-cat-gif-3798894259036181291

[midnight totem]

acted afk

get shotgunned immediately and die

good thing I can block people

[clever ferry]

He got it by getting carried by a Vet

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/sir-yes-sir-oorah-cat-emotional-gif-23930229

[rigid pilot]

I want greatsword

[umbral scaffold]

😭

FREAKY

[somber axle]

Headhunter value depends on whether or not you grab Reciprocity. If you have that talent it has much lower value depending on how well you can maintain Recip stacks through fights. It favours a very frontline aggressive playstyle for sure. If you don't take Reciprocity then Headhunter provides much more value over the course of a match

It's playstyle dependent

[uncut pebble]

You get the idea, though.

[somber axle]

If you enjoy it, Reciprocity is very effective. If you dislike that talent you definitely need Headhunter to have a reliable way of critting

[uncut pebble]

More crit chance means more shock trooper procs means more ammo efficiency.

[somber axle]

Deathspitter + Dum Dum works of you enjoy the playstyle with Reciprocity

[umbral scaffold]

new found love for helbore

still hate kriegers tho

[somber axle]

Also yeah with Recons you need to build crit one way or the other

But at a certain point more crit has less value than more damage and you get diminished effect out of Headhunter

So it's not worth using Headhunter and Reciprocity

But it's always worth having one or the other with Recons

[midnight totem]

my headhunter autogun with both surgical and headhunter

and reciprocity and weapon specialist

[somber axle]

That's a lot of crit

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/drakest-dugeon-slash-critical-gif-16553651

It actually worked very well on my agri headhunter

[tame lodge]

Go Leper Go

[somber axle]

Tbh I prefer running Deadshot and juggling stamina with Target Down

It feels like something easier to control

Reciprocity has some anti-synergy stuff with some class comps

You need to keep in danger and dodging so Psyker Bubbles and Tauntgryns make it awkward for suddenly having stacks drop

[midnight totem]

Gotta take the good with the bad. Can't always be dodgin'

[somber axle]

I will warn

Do not do Recon Mk VId with Deadshot LOL

The fire rate is silly which makes it fantastic for Onslaught but also awful for Deadshot

[midnight totem]

(Don't listen to Sneaky, I do it, its perfectly fine)

[somber axle]

Your Stam bar even with triple Stam curios and the Stam talent node will evaporate

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-coughing-cough-sith-cyborg-gif-12694790

[somber axle]

It takes a lot more effort to juggle Deadshot with the VId

You'd for sure need Duck and Dive to help get Stam back

[midnight totem]

You will learn to juggle effectively, or you will die.

trial by fire

[somber axle]

It's not user friendly and you get so little time with Deadshot active on the VId unless you grab Stam curios

So someone new to Deadshot juggling with automatics will really struggle to have any stamina through fights with the VId

I do Deadshot and Target Down with the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa

[midnight totem]

free for any games today?

[somber axle]

Nope! Sadly I am at work for another 3 and a half hours

Work work

[midnight totem]

zug zug

[terse idol]

Guh!
I mean you want handcannon and surgical anywho on the zarona

[midnight totem]

handcannon and glory hunter

[terse idol]

Like you just have times where you get 1 crit shoot it and then just aim to find another crit

[midnight totem]

rely only on weapon specialist for crits

[terse idol]

Ze opinions

I don't like it

[somber axle]

I think things are getting better for Darktide Auric quickplay

I had a few matches earlier today that went really really well

[junior needle]

You still want surgical even on WS so you can guarantee crits without having it up

Glory is a bit redundant imo

[orchid hemlock]

I keep testing out the VId between spitter and Infernus

I did 20 games with Infernus and 20 games with Spitter

The damage numbers seem to be difficult to compare, but what I noticed that was strange was that I was picking up much less ammo on the Infernus runs than the spitter runs 🤔

[junior needle]

Pretty sure there's plenty of non-BM weapons that can hit two bruisers

and more

Also without stacking stamina and stam regen, because I tried it on my zealot and it felt BAD

[frank basin]

imagine if FS create double crits like warframe orange crits

[somber axle]

Ogryn sorta has that with the Lucky Bullet thing I think

Nothing like that on Vet though

[frank basin]

lucky bullet are 100% crits per 8% shot

Doesn't feel like double crits

[somber axle]

You need the talent to make Lucky Bullet hits into crits. They're a free extra shot during volleys when they proc. It's not boosting the damage of a shot but the extra shot feels like a neat effect

If they weren't very strict about keeping class identities very distinct and robbing Exe Stance reload for Ogryn Gunlugger I would hope they would do something similar and fun for Vet. But at this point I think they're more or less happy with the trees overall and the next big change is for Psyker

[frank basin]

then zealot

then veteran

[somber axle]

There's Deadly Accurate I guess

[frank basin]

or ogryn

and veteran later

[fossil basalt]

Burn damage saves so much ammo

[placid portal]

I think of DoT as trading time for damage and ammo saved

[fossil basalt]

I use it with Deadshot to get entertainingly timed kills on things
Like the trapper right before she fires her net
Or a bomber as he pulls the pin
Or the mutant after it throws me where I want to go

Silly DoT-finesse kills are my favorite

[placid portal]

enhanced ragdoll mod if fire dot kills propells them upwards

https://tenor.com/view/pooh-soul-left-leave-body-gif-18140969

[flat crypt]

My favourite is when trapper runs away but you manage to get a couple of hits on her ass and she burns to death behind the corner

same for pox hounds

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[midnight mesa]

ITEMIZATION UPDATE, JUST 4 DAYS AWAY!!!

[frank basin]

my time zone is 3 more day

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-reacts-flightreacts-tongue-tongue-laugh-gif-13724048537815479089

[grand perch]

feckin east asian/aussies and their time wizardry!

[frank basin]

is 12 morning in U.S.A USA

[grand perch]

thats just easterner asia

[tropic notch]

Ngl since the survivalist nerf I find myself not using it what’s the meta option for vet now?

[grand perch]

I still go with survivalist a lot, but I think the real answer is whatever lets you save the most points by being in the direct way further down the tree

[somber axle]

Which ever aura provides the most point efficient path to the rest of your tree tbh

I like movement speed most but I also enjoy Exe Stance most so I rarely touch close and kill aura

[winter grove]

2x Crit dmg in the weakspot

Tasty

[somber axle]

Fire Team is the most efficient for VoC users

I tend to lean into Fire Team more often lately because I'm taking Kraks more than Shredder Frags even when running Exe Stance

[thin stone]

Hello vets

[flat crypt]

o/

[bright cliff]

woe, mauler overhead jumpscare be upon ye

[tropic notch]

What does these mean!

[rigid pilot]

\o

[flat crypt]

There was once a dark age of irc where this meant hello/goodbye, o is the head of a person and / is raised hand

[rigid pilot]

\o/

[flat crypt]

and thats standing ovation

[placid portal]

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it,
[Parry]

[bright cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-brick-parry-gif-27597104

hey while we're here what do I do with this thing

I'm assuming I scrape thrust off of it but does thrust even matter on these?

[regal smelt]

I wouldn't sell or sacrifice for blessings since the whole system is being reworked in 4 days. The blessings that you own will just be turned into weapon xp. You'll still be able to sacrifice it for weapon xp after, but you can choose any weapon despite it being a shock maul

[earnest bone]

no, just scrap it for mastery points for update on sep26

thrust on these is an actual DPS loss

[bright cliff]

that's really sad

[blissful snow]

Anyone got tips for" on overwatch" penance or know a little hack?

Like an easy cheesy way?

[somber axle]

Yeah one sec I have a trick to share

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

You can earn it on Malice difficulty so a low intensity Malice would be the easiest way to attempt it

[regal smelt]

Just note that you can take below 1hp worth of melee damage and it will fail the penance. It's why you can use medcae at full hp sometimes

[tropic notch]

Voc

[lilac kayak]

Get a trauma shield pysker and nothing will be able to touch u if "he" is that gud

[austere mica]

Can you still kill yourself and then not get back up during a mission to get it?

[regal smelt]

Prolly, as long as it's fall damage/ledge

[supple stag]

I got it with just VoC and hanging back with Columnus Autogun

[tropic notch]

How does mercy killer work? As long as they are bleeding you get 60% Weakspot damage? Or do you have to have multiple stacks?

[flat crypt]

as long as they are bleeding

[tropic notch]

Alright I thought so

So even if it’s one

[supple stag]

Yeah

Mercy Killer, Uncanny Strike with Serrated Blade fucks hard on Vet

[tough tiger]

hot

[flat crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/so-hot-right-now-trending-meme-zoolander-this-is-epic-gif-26091622

[tawdry jackal]

Ngl I know the plasma gun is where it’s at but letting a boltgun rip, even with the reload, is so satisfying

[earnest bone]

HSword has native 100% damage for two targets

but that's it

[amber mortar]

Which melee is gun and good too

[fluid gust]

[tropic notch]

Knife and double barrel

With Voc and weapon specialist

[wise turtle]

Any Hellbore for both

[tropic notch]

Hellbore I sleep

[tame lodge]

Headhunter has respectable bashes

Bistol has 3 cleave on bash

For some reason

[near abyss]

Shooting with Recon lasgun is fun

[analog mural]

Doesn't staff have 20 cleave on the bonk? Clearly the best melee

[tiny summit]

Hell yea heavy/dueling swords for vet

[amber mortar]

Hellborn is that krieg fellas gun right?

[tame lodge]

cough 22 cough

[umbral scaffold]

Hellbore smell bore, my love for you is to die for

[tame lodge]

Yeah
Mk1 and 2 have stabby bayonets, quick spammable stagger and high damage

[amber mortar]

Uuuu

Sounds fun

[tame lodge]

Yeah you can hold the button for charging forwads WW1 style

[sleek garden]

They are however slow moving and take a while to deploy

[tame lodge]

Also don't expect the bayonets to clear hordes

[amber mortar]

I will give it a try

[tame lodge]

And if you're going to stab a mauler, aim for the body
You know, to avoid the carapace helmet

[amber mortar]

[near abyss]

Which is the best helbore gun, btw?

I tried the heavy variant and didn't like it one bit

[tame lodge]

Up to preference really
I've seen lots of Mk2 because it charges fast, needs a bit more investment though

I'd say Mk1 is the middle ground

Mk3 has some problems but packs a hell of a bore

[fair river]

Real commissar hours

[fallen plinth]

ah yes the turkeyloin sword

[hard cave]

The kantrel ia is so fun with weapon specialist

[little frost]

The overwatch penance is driving me nuts, anyone got a tip for it? Literally got hit at last minute multiple times

[terse idol]

I mean it sounds like you're already there

Just be extra paranoid in the last minute

[hard cave]

Have an ogryn buddy

I did mine before the skill rework by crouching in a corner and having an ogryn guard me

[frosty falcon]

no flamer for vet is such a shame

[tame lodge]

Not really

Can't hit heads with the flames

[little frost]

Yeah i guess

Any good map for it tho?

[terse idol]

Maybe the one with the train

The train where you gotta deactivate sky fire turrets and then hold out

It has cover it has pretty wide sightlines

Guranteed boss at the end though

[tame lodge]

Consignment yard

[terse idol]

Yah

[little frost]

Thank you I will try that

[thick rose]

did the sawn off or power maul end up being any good?

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah

Both are good

Power maul slots nicely as a melee all rounder shotgun is fun and effective (with trash boss damage)

[thorny girder]

Infiltrate or voice of power?

[pseudo fiber]

Voice of command

[thorny girder]

Ok

Wanna make a build that melts through larger enemies and deals with moderate hordes

Still deciding on weapons

Maybe an autogun

[tame lodge]

Then you either pick the Columnus 5 for large enemies

Or a the Agripina for it's cleave

[cyan anchor]

This weapon has a high rating is it good?

[tame lodge]

Aiag has no ammo for Hordes though

[thorny girder]

Though... Infiltrate is interesting

Idk, I'll keep playing and figure something out

[tame lodge]

The ideal blessings would be surgical Hand cannon
Very solid stats though

[thorny girder]

Shredder grenade and infiltrate

[tame lodge]

Point blank has its uses though

[cyan anchor]

ill just buy and take the blessings from it

[fossil basalt]

Infil is trading team buffing for much stronger personal buffs

[radiant chasm]

going to try the 7a recon with deathspitter and dum dum

infil stealth+ aggro drop after ending stealth is massive

[tame lodge]

Deathspitter 7a with 5 stacks and the Marksman node goes past 4.5 cleave (for ten seconds on spot hits)

Would recommend

[orchid hemlock]

yeah ive been trying it too, but I don't feel like it is giving me any damage boosts outside of situations where I shoot at clumped mixed hordes

[glad kite]

current vet

thoughts?

[frank basin]

Looks alright. What’s weapon you’re using?

[thorny girder]

Thinking of using a stub revolver and idk which melee

Idk what I was really going for

[frank basin]

Which revolver?

[thorny girder]

Just the two specials

[thorny girder]

Prolly zarona

[frank basin]

Go devil claw or chainsword

[thorny girder]

Alright

How is the skill tree though?

[glad kite]

bolt pistol

[frank basin]

Infiltration with over watch not great

[thorny girder]

Alright

I'll switch it out

[frank basin]

It take longer to cooldown

[thorny girder]

Hunters resolve or put it somewhere else?

Thinking... For the emperor?

[glad kite]

@frank basin

[frank basin]

That’s alright

[thorny girder]

Or field improv, demolition stockpile, or fully loaded

Really depends on what I'm going for

[frank basin]

Just pick simple and run test see if is fit

[thorny girder]

Real

Btw, what is a devil claw sword?

[frank basin]

Mk4

Get savage sweep and rampage

[thorny girder]

Alright

[frank basin]

Stats must be 70 or above exclude mobility

But you can buy without looking 70 stars for temporary place holder

3 more day we get fully customizable weapon upgrade

No more locks

[thorny girder]

And blessings for zarona should be hand Cannon and surgical?

[frank basin]

Yeah

[thorny girder]

Cool

[frank basin]

Perk be flak and carapace (if you wanna double that headshot on carapace enemy)

[thorny girder]

And the perks on the claw?

[frank basin]

Maniac and flak I believ

[thorny girder]

Thank you, sir

[frank basin]

Not always maniac and flak I would pick unarmored and flak for myself

[thorny girder]

I'll figure curios based off how I play

[frank basin]

Because you got bucket head and tin suit you fighting with

[thorny girder]

True

[glad kite]

soo about this 😄

[winter musk]

brunt is bussin

[crude fiber]

Literally gonna be perfect after update

Unless you'd prefer mobility over defense I suppose

[sullen scarab]

For the crafting update, whenever you upgrade the "power", it just adds +1 or whatever to all stats, right?

equally?

[twin venture]

So with shout vet I run 2 toughness cuiros and a stamina. been using stealth vet more lately and was wondering if 1 health. 1 toughness. And 1 stamina cuiro might be better to help with chip dmg. I never really noticed to much chip dmg as a shout vet but as stealth I've noticed it more. Any suggestions?

[twin venture]

Yes

[tall torrent]

200 health and 20% sniper resist is valuable if u care about major defense breakpoints

[twin venture]

Yeah I definitely have sniper resist but I'll look into that 200 health. Thanks

[sullen scarab]

nice!

[uncut pebble]

I'm like 95% certain raw stats will let you hit both scab gunner and rager bps, though.

[tall torrent]

elite & maniac

elite is pretty useful