#veteran-class
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if our strike team can’t complete the mission without VoC then they shouldn’t have it at all
I will get my 5 consecutive wins with infiltration
please forgive this sin vet chat
Bruh
cringe,,,,
I like yellow more than blue as a color
True
What senethro said but generally, heavy attacks are more powerful than light attacks
there are some minor differences
they tend to do different things
there's only a few weapons where I think it doesn't really matter? Like tac axes
They swing super fast and heavies tend to only put out slightly more stagger
Or might have a bit more cleave
The easiest thing to think of is 'sideways attack for lots of people downwards for one'
It is crazy how much it changes the game
No other ability can just un screw you
I see veterans walk off on their own in auric maelstrom green specialist monstrosity waves and they just keep hitting f to win
And everyone else is struggling
You’d think that
But the inability for literally anyone to give a shit about melee is baffling
I haven’t worked two jobs this hard since like Nov last year when the update was fresh, they got me clearing the horde and zig zagging to snipe ranged just for them to fall off ledges and shit
you can inspect them to see the difference on damage between lights and heavies, and on heavies, revved attacks will also deal more damage
usually with heavy attacks (including on mk4 chain sword) they will do what the light attacks don’t, so lights on the mk4 are more single target, and the heavies are more oriented for hordes, as they are wider sweeping
now there’s a lot of exceptions to that rule of thumb, because weapon combos, such as mk2 eviscerator mixing both heavies and lights for horde clear
13 Views. Watch VOC is so stupid and needs to be nerfed and millions of other Warhammer 40,000: Darktide videos on Medal, the #1 Game Clip Platform.
it’s so dumb
the way its coded its like having another layer of toughness on top of the existing thing
not one damage taken
you get away with so much bs for having yellow toughness
yeah it’s super stupid
i think voice of command should be reworked or replaced, and have zealot’s chorus reworked at the same time
but vet chat won’t like that…….
brocken…
🥀🥀
yah reworked
Actually no if we did that like normal human beings every vet main would be upset
replace that node with I don't know, stun immunity for the same duration or something
power sword….
stuff of that nature
i was referring to when psword was nerfed for ever ago
and all the vets threw a tantrum
also voice of command should not replenish all of your toughness, when something like zealot’s charge replenishes half, requiring a 60s cooldown for full toughness regen
haaate
Base kit like 100 toughness is fine, personally remove golden and just give a high TDR buff
Cause then you still get punished
For playing like a troglodyte
i wish voc was like an aoe rending, attack speed and damage buff along with the pushback. maybe TDR as well, but no refilling toughness
No
it was quite stupid tantrum but honestly back then the game was quite garbage so I didnt care to defend it
and a lot of the weapons and classes felt pretty meh to play too which doesn't help
this game became fun when they buffed a ton of shit but they definitely went too far in a few areas with the buffing I guess
no that would be too much
like its wild psword is still receiving buffs patch after patch
Idk what they decide this on
statistics?
every mf is using plasma/psword
in my subjective experience, i dont see psword noticable more often than the other popular melees
i'd like to see some stats on that usage
hate them personally by now. feels like being bolted onto the floor and will get you killed now and then because of that
Luckily Rashad Axe is totally fine right guys?
nerf shredder autopistol!
Finally the true correct hot takes.
Nerf Exe Stance, buff VoC.
Buff everything on the Zealot left branch.
Revolver should one shot bosses.
Plasma should one shot Rannick.
Its okay in comparison
Iirc its pretty shit compared to other recons due to using 2 ammo per shot + slower fire rate
Without enough benefits to compensate
I don't think voc is the problem, its the one perk that reduces skill time on elite/specialist kill
voc as a support ability is kinda cool
7a does more damage and has a bit of cleave
yet somehow its fine with the other ults
ig
idk I think there's a learning curve as well when it comes to optimally utilizing shit
other than that one revolver, which is overtuned lmao
I personally never had any issues of voc being "broken"
even with two vets running it, we still went down lmao
Explode
:(
VOC still seriously needs a nerf
Golden toughness and Tac awareness are the big issues
There is more than just that
Voc is essentially a 20 second timer for until death on vet
You become better at veteran when you don’t use VOC constantly
Not saying much cause this class is unironically the second most powerful class in the game behind Psyker
VOC is insanely good. The few times I play veteran I feel like I just handicapped the team if I don't pick it.
Their loss lmao
Like they should understand positioning by the time they start throwing themselves into Auric
I do like the idea of it. But yeah. It is a bit too good.
Wouldn't reducing the toughness from +100 to +50 be a substantial enough nerf?
TDR?
so bad players still get punished
Toughness Damage Reduction
Completely toss golden toughness
punishing bad players is kinda bad
this games learning curve is already kind of a hurdle
TDR of a high value makes HP bleed through literally like tickle
I hate to say it but seriously sucks to suck
Like it’s a group buff they should understand yeah it helps
It shouldn’t be a safety net
:l
safety nets are kinda important for new and bad players though
The game's enjoyability is still important
It forces them to learn
Could still have it be a really good ability. Just not "Next to invincible almost all the time"
Which is why I suggested that instead
Fucking Zealot with its talents
Hitting nearly 90% DR
Is fucking insane
Literally nearly 0 toughness and you get hit
And you just scoff at how you take like 10 HP
Those are just groaners though cause a crusher is still going to fucking flatten you like a pancake
Vs current VOC where it’s you pop it and face tank a crusher
Don't forget iron will being part of the problem with overtoughness.
I don’t mind Iron Will
It’s extremely strong
But like it plays into why VOC is overpowered also
Anyways yeah there’s a few things on Vet that needs tweaking and it’s genuinely going to be in a more balanced spot if that happens
But I feel like DooDooShart is scared to touch VOC cause recall the power sword and Surv aura nerfs
Vet mains:
i think I'm just plasma gun nut
I can't melt auric maelstrom to the same capacity with other guns
Dorn if you’re in here can you please send the dreaded post
Saying you're only great when using plasma is like saying you're only great at 5k runs while on a bike
(Demonpost)
I can use other guns, I just don't like them as much as plasma
I like how your first instinct was to respond with a belittling insult tho, good looks 👍
Plasma has an extremely bad rep cause it’s very fucking overtuned atm
Like the Zarona
hi guys is this a good build for vet? im pretty new to the class
That is
Fucking old
I'm aware its really stong
im aware
I like using it because its strong and fun to use
But honestly no
Also really like my vii shovel
You really just need The middle right node and you’re good
For a start
Use the Headhunter Autos
someone posted thier build here and i kinda like it but idk if its good, im still in mid 10s so
Tried them, they don't feel good to shoot
like idk if its good or not because im new to this class
clip is too small and lacks punch through when I need it to not suck at it at the worst of times
Are you clicking on the heads
been having a lot of fun with zarona/knife with weapon specialist with the third-person mod
I have bad aim thanks to some carpal
All seriousness though that’s doodooshart
I could throw you something together in a bit
youtube builds are generally questionable, that one is pretty bad
feels too bouncy per shot as well
okie thanks just tag me
@slow sky what weapon do u like using
HHAs need stability 70+
for now recon lasgun
But they’re good when you have one like that
Better be double barrel, being doomguy and all
lol
Double barrel is fun when using it with right tree keystones
the one that reloads automatically is neat
from reserves
Critcon VI ❤️
oh, which lasgun are you using btw, the single shot marksman ones or the auto?
@slow sky NGL youre only level 10 so i suggest trying everything
auto ye
But i have a recon build thats a meme, and is fun
so not all recons are auto?

If you're around level 10 just mess around with the different variants and see what you like since you're short on talent points for most setups
The vast majority of youtube guide content for this game is outdated and/or bad
going like this for now
drop that second right node
okay, decent guide for the recon las @ lvl30 here https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1fk957s/what_is_the_op_lasgun_i_keep_seeing/lntysty/
not worth it
are you level 10 now?
Az NEEDS to stop telling people it has infinite ammo
It does not, the 6d is even the least ammo efficient recon model
Randos regularly prove this
It was cuz the other one left was a modifier node
14
@slow sky

at 14 I'd run this, + 2 points to play with
Dont listen to these guys
Onslaught is just for crusher cracking btw
But at low level u go VoC
It has negligible benefit against other armor types on recons
Most creators moved on
Yea this is pretty much my build rn lol
Actually that's true for any automatic looking to use it, except maybe the autopistol
Game is not doing well and seemingly won’t improve fast enough
it was super unoptimized at launch, i refunded but recently came back and runs fine with the occasional CTD
||i never saw any issues with this game at launch||
You made the right choice, also hope you bought it for a discount
wish i did haha
Sure i agree performance issues where there for a lot of people but gameplay wise i liked it a lot
You’re severely lucky. I crashed/dc’d a couple hundred times at least in the first two months.
I don't know what you meant by that but it won't ever substantially "improve" in terms of average players. If VT is anything to go by.
and that's ok.
i think dorn means in terms of gameplay/qol improvements
the game crashes every time i click the quit button, i have a ton of mods tho
And I had a pretty good rig
Gameplay has always been great. Technical issues come and go, seems kinda stable at the moment though (?).
Ah yea. The current xbox experience. 
Gameplay had issues at the start too
I played at launch as well and got nothing but backend error screens I came back after a while and it finally worked again.
at the grinder rn and took me like 12 tries before getting a double nade lol
They finally decided to knuckle down on the issues about 2-3 months post release
The double nade is a flex point.
Damage was done by then though
Yeah twinned is more for grenadier builds
I play mostly auric and getting two nades on a specialist pack usually means an instant refund so hell ya
And 1 is really only truly auric Mael viable
So don’t use it
Twinned blast not demo team before you ask
Anything below auric i wouldnt recommend running twinned or demo team.
Yeah, Xbox experiences vary for sure. Usually good for two crashes per day lol .
You type fast.
If you’re running Exe or Infil just pick up Demo Team
Xbox RN is not great. Audio bugs are always a thing, every other game enemy animations wont play out.
Oh I'm talking about PC release. Good to see nothing has changed with fatshark quality though 
Fixed it by turning off crossplay but= no auric matchmaking
And auric is the way to play, my brothers
It is auric t4 and t5 will bug out sometimes, fps drops bad when they spawn in mixed hordes but it will crash I’ll reconnect and it will be gucci. 🤷🏻♂️
It’s because for some reason Xbox struggles to handle loading in all the AI that’s spawning
Only Aurics and Mael
Trust me if this game was PC only it’d be a lot more fucking chaotic
I believe that lol.
The game ran great before the last big patch. Never had issues with it chugging during auric prior to it.
But fatshark said they weren't reducing the amount of enemies because of consoles!
Oh shit
There was an issue with events on maps where it just
U smart
Didn’t fucking spawn enemies
Lmao
Yeah no you’re good
Handful of patches did this
It’s a recurring bug that happens
they will never fix spawns lmao
Nah that actually makes alot of sense.
love my total damage done being under a million in 3vegs
I do not like having 0 purpose in the match cause i queued with 2 plasma veterans
Minus horde clear
Unless one of them is a Tanner Acolyte and decides to use it for Horde clear for some ungodly reason
No I will never not talk shit about Tanner
the almighty horde clear plasma, inshallah so it must be done
how often are plasma players actually good in auric now
i feel like it's an 80% chance of getting a newbie who is going to be #3/4 on elite kills
Barely ever good
ime
I remember his video on pre buff recons
yay!
trash maelstrom
Says they’re actually good in the title and never to believe anyone who says otherwise.
Then in the video he says two are trash and never use them, but one of them gets “ok dps
Inshallah if Tanner wills it
the knife staff psyker going look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
Me and sneaky made them work cause we had to run them with fucking 3 stam Deadshot
3x3 deadshot builds are so fun
not enough juice for the squeeze power:effort wise, but very fun
Unless you can dodge or have quick reaction timing with melee
I was there before sneaky put on the clown shoes
As it turns out, if you stack a lot of damage boosts you can compensate for a poor baseline
Even if it's much less efficient
It’s even better cause it’s mocking all of tanners takes
Which are god awful
I’ll never forget Tanner going nuclear over people defending uncanny
It's correct to say that damage is less impactful than it seems at first glance
But not correct to say it's a dump stat
Especially on breakpoint particular weapons
Some weapons it seriously matters
What is this? Tanner Lindberg?
..did he do the maths on uncanny
I couldn’t bear to watch his video on uncanny for more than a few minutes but it’s mainly cause it effects carapace mindset when it also effects Flak/Maniac/Unyield
Aka it’s just good
lols top tier post
Truly peak
Like flatearthers do probably
You need to use plasma for horde clear
I do use kickback for horde clear. I only need one elite or one special inside for justification.
Kickback is top tier ranged horde clear
Ogryn already has amazing horde clear melee weapons
Using it just for chaffe is rather wasteful
fun tho, esp if your team doesn't have an ammo black hole on it
if its enough trash i dont mind. but when they do it to 1-3 poxwalkers, i make a mental note to rush ammo bags first
Many things you shouldn't be doing are fun 
That's why life is hard
Like gambling
Only like 5% of (my) matches have any sort of issues with ammo scarcity, usually people are leaving ammo behind. So I see no reason to avoid doing funny stuff with ranged horde clear from time to time. Just don't do it all match long and be the only person taking all the ammo
If it's going to waste anyway then there's no problem
But I have flashbacks to recon nam with the ammo goblins
lol
9-6-2 for 200k damage woof
Constant shooting into chaffe, out of ammo in the first room, drops an ammo box just for himself
Psychopath behavior
People act like ranged horde clear is a cardinal sin but the real sin is a lack of awareness and consideration for your team
Ranged horde clear is a cardinal sin
Yes, if ammo is not an issue then it's fine. But if the score looks like that and I have to run dry on ammo the whole game so Pvt Parts can have a laser rave with the poxwalkers
If your team is running dry and you're shooting poxxies youre a problem. If everyones in the white and you're shooting poxxies thats just a good time
Ranged horde clear is fine on flamer. Very occasionally plasma and thats it
99% of the time, if I see a recon user mag dump into hordes, they die to one crusher
Xbox moment
Maybe getting MF stacks with an autogun
MF needs a rework
Its a bit too weak with actual precision weapons
It’s one of the worst keystones in the game

BLO is actually the worst, MF comes second
just rage baiting
God, BLO is such a waste of points. I'd rather take an unnamed node than BLO
he has game knowledge but he's obviously being contentious and controversal for clicks
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1030392603029557308 @lavish token Twins
psyker is asleep
I'll come for the memes. 
too late, he has arrived
Is cool I'm back to watching shogun.
Shogun is good
It sucks cause I genuinely like the premise of it
But it’s just so shit I see myself using WS more
Hey been a while since i played.
Question. Did they remove the perk where you insta reload your weapons when doing volley fire?
Yes
A very long time it seems
Ok! Stack health or Toughness charms?
Do not
You want to balance it with Vet
2 Toughness + 1 HP usually
Ok right now i have 40% health and 15% toughness charms
But you can do vice versa
I find it hard to get higher than 15% tough charms. So that is why i have two 20% hp for now
Also a shame about that insta reload thing. Was using it a lot for bolters since their reloads are painfully long by default -_-
MF is kinda fun with laspistol crit blastin and thats about it
Are ya max level?
Yes I cri everyday. 😦
You just have to get really lucky with Brunt or Sour Milk to pull 21% hp/17% toughness/+3 stamina curios.
Most are not very good
You only need one for a proper british gaming experience (knoife)
Cleaver clear speed is not that good (compared to overall)
Which knife are we talking
Pickaxes have pretty notable clear speed (especially Karsolas) and that’s about it
You can do 50 pox trials with it over and over
while the mk4 still clears well
It’s just not that fast in the grand scheme of things
That's fair, I expect the zealot and vet with crit heavy crit access to mulch hordes with things like chainswords better
But ogryn weapons are more idiot proof and relaxing, or at least when I played still
Turns out confident strike is nuts
So you shouldn't have any issues dealing with chaffe for lack of skill when you can essentially just left click
Compared to say, vet or zealot
Mk3 and mk4 cleaver should have similar clear speed as well
The cleave profile & distribution are the same between them
Does the 4 still need to weave in heavies for optimal clear
Because 2 of the attacks are stabs
Yea
But H2 has 28.1 cleave so
Then not if you light spam like I do 
I cannot be motivated to weave attacks by any means
Largely because they're a pain to automate
Unstoppable Force Cleaver 6 
Hilarious how that goes to 84 with Savage Sweep
What's the target cap for the cleavers
fake path spotted 
pathn't
afaik only XV evicerator, bully clubs (all) and chainaxes (both) have dmg-target cap that fall to 0 in cleave dmg distribution after
EV15: 4 targets in light atks
Chainaxe12: 4 targets in light atks, 2 targets in PA
Chainaxe4: 4 targets in heavy atks
Bully clubs: 3 targets in heavy sweep
Yea bully clubs are pretty disastrously bad at it
literally just said fuck this 4 weapon types in particular
Mk3 feels like it's really weak at cutting up hordes which is weird because I thought it was made for that
Mk4 fucking deletes hordes
I really thought the mk 3 would because the heavies are just side chops
But they hit like 3 people
And the light attacks suck and the stab does too
So should we still collect stickers or better to wait?
why not the mk4?
Is that one not called the Mk4 Bull Butcher or is it literally just
Mk4 Cleaver
Nonetheless I’m mainly talking about the Mk4 that thing is vile with savage sweep
has some k word in front
Savage sweep + Slaughterer
oh yeah its stupid
Yeah but it staggers so much it makes elite packs manageable
pretty sure the mk3 is the bull butcher and the mk4 is the Kourk
It is
the mk3 bull butcher you spam lights, the mk4 is better but you have to do a combo so its harder to use. you start with a push attack and then alternate H -> L -> H -> L
Slaughterer + Confident strike is amazing, you kill or stun lock everything around you and have infinite toughness to prevent ranged (or melee) chip
The mk4 is still functional enough for clear even with lightspam, but yeah alternating seems to be better
If you're just going to light spam you might as well use the mk3 since it's better at spamming
But yeah
The issue with the mk3 light spam is that it's not nearly as good on damage against hard targets
So I ended up taking the 4 to light spam everything including crushers to death
Lol that's one way to do it I suppose. If it works 🤷♂️
I've extensively unga'd this bunga
I moved on from the mk3 to the Mk4 to deal with armor like you said. I usually do the combo clear but if I get flustered in a pinch, light spam does tend to get the job done
There's also one of the clubs, which has surprisingly good light spam and can handle harder targets but I didn't like the performance as much as the 4
literally the first gun I buy off of Brunt's 
I guess if we'll be able to increase the weapon's stats after the itemization update, then I'll be able to fix the low mobility, eh?
Turn it into a Graia cause Columnus stinky
Infantry
You’ll be able to change marks with the update
Columnus Graia or Agri Autoguns
why nobody like Columnus?
🗣️
AAIG I love, it feels like a proper Battle Rifle
It has Cleave
So it feels like it hits hard
GIAG is a perfect inbetween imo
Stock AR I suppose
AIAG feels like a heavy caliber BR
It does yes, which makes it so appealing, I did test Graia too, also pretty alright weapon
They still do pretty nutty base damage compared to other weapons
IAGs are just good
Infantry Autoguns have really good finesse modifiers
CIAG maximizing on it further
Hence why it just fucking deletes everything
Ughh
Reminding me I have to play plasma post 26th
So I can 100% it
And never touch it again
Remember
Weapon skins are supposedly an award
I’m going to BEGRUDGINGLY
100% it
Then immediately tossing it out of my inventory like an unwanted child
I’m a completionist so I have too sadly
I see, well I hope it will go by fast for ye
I need to test my Vraks 3 finally
Any decent BPs with Exe Stance?
Do any of the Vrak's marks standout more than the others?
I'd say Vraks 7 is the best one, if you don't mind single fire
You pop Exe it usually just hits it naturally
If you run precision strikes
I do, each time I try HHAs
Order of best to worst (they’re all good if you can aim at the head)
Vraks 7 - Vraks 3 - Agripinaa 9
I unironically main the Agri
Respect!
Vraks 7 is a sniper disguised as a DMR
Vraks 7 fucks hard, but not maniacs sadly
Flamers are annoying to deal with using those
Any oddities with the Vraks 3's crits? Or do they act just like a regular crit string?
Burst fires either crit for the entire burst or not at all
at least last I checked
Remember that rending is your friend for that, because of the negative mod
Yeah wacky fact about rending it effects Maniac/Unyielding
It’s probably the reason why I don’t really complain about my HHA dropping a rager in 2-3 volleys
I guess? But shield kinda does the same thing (for stagger) and pickaxes just outright kill
Remember when we thought the Kars was the weakest of them
Good times
Around launch of Secrets
Everyone thought the Branx was the best one lmao
They were blind to the true state of the Kars
I mean funny enough it didn’t mean it was bad
It was just thought at the time it was the weakest of the family tree for picks
did they change how the autogun recoil?
they feel real shit when i tried them and definitely not how i remember them
Power creep at its finest Azreal
I mean it's not the worst right?
I did get a god roll branx so I've been having fun with it
Karsolas does nuking as well as Branx?
Borovian is
Something something move set
Idk
No heavy spam?
It's fatshark balancing, same reason autopistol is still in the gutter and so were recons for the longest time
I'll try that pick after the update, assuming it's still at the same power level
The curse of the guide
The MG12 still being the worst ilas 
They should just add a bit more dmg to it
So I can finally just elite special snipe instead of relying on exec stance
And opening salvo
I think the mk12 lasgun should be able to have comfortable 1shot breakpoints instead of this goofy shit where you have to stack literally every weakspot/elite buff possible.
kan12 should be The Gun you take when you're confident you can hit heads
sadly hitting heads is not enough without work, which makes it fall far behind
I wish they'd add some good cleave to it too
I wish the ia was good
Now that's a bait
We already had tempestus scion helmet in the shop several months ago
yeah im aware
instead they'd rather give us rags and chainmail
oh well, at least old cosmetics still look good
at least we get a new mission soon
i forget what else theyre adding
Itemization overhaul
and the group finder
If theres a vet named sally in here they're really bad
im +20 on psyker and had to clutch twice, sally left the game 2-3 times attempting to cheese
damn bro you called em out
sally will pull up????
no balls
fr fr
i shouldve recorded the jumping all over the place, panic dodging jumping up
weve all done it
not panic
no excuses this dude is 2000+\
he is 2000+ levels over 30
2200 actually
thats some serious dedication
and yet stilll bbad
put that much time and being that bad should be an achievement 
cant wait for the new mission
I like using my gun and theyre like "we're going to make it so players naturally have to go close quarters"
nice
I can't wait to hear the new banger from Jesper Kyd
Probably with the update
Fuck updates, the songs are all that matter
Something something witch hunting, don't let the mods get you
Space book says it's bad
Don’t look at zealot chat

Casual Zealot Activities
Nah no witch hunting, just hoping they'd see it
I said it in the vet chat too
They called the team dumb when they went down multiple times and left attempting to cheese
I had to clutch twice
Ah wrong ping this is the vet chat 
Firing squad ready up
murder
the witch hunt is ready on your go m'lord just say the word
Go, kill some heretics
Good varlet
Did any of the ilas get buffed with last update?
It sounds like it's gonna be a big train though
I can imagine there will be parts on top of the train overlooking enemies or a long car hallway
fuck no sadly
Nope but they're all still good for elite/special kill duty on anything other than Carapace

I've been running the Mk IV a lot more for the fun of just spamming shots without a care for ammo concerns
Is there a build that'll make the Helbore shine? I want to like it but it always feels lacking. Maybe skill issue.
Something with focus target is likely the best way to use helbore lasguns.
FT is general is good its raw damage
Marksmans focus is cool but not necessary because with a proper helbore you'll be 1tapping just about everything that isn't a crusher or mauler.
if you REALLY want to test your skill run that ^
Marksman would be good seeing well, if you're not clicking heads with the Helbore you're not using it correctly
I'm just saying you'll be meeting a lot of your 1shot headshot breakpoints without marksmans focus.
They're in such a weird spot right now and I believe it's due to the equip time.
If they would remove that goofy animation I think helbore usage would tick up.
But as it stands it's only really used by people that know how to use it or hardcore krieg larpers.
They're buffing it
they're making it like from fuck I forget how long it was
I know its over a second to below it now
so it has a deploy speed still but drastically sped up
Just remove it entirely.
It serves zero purpose and inhibits the marksman playstyle significantly.
Im going to wait till the update drops
That, I believe, is also why plasma is so overused.
and see how fast it is before I say anything
Anything helbore can do, plasma does better.
Both need their cleave values taken out back and shot.
🗣️
Neither should cleave an almost infinite number of targets just to pick out one specific offender.
Plasma being able to shoot through walls is cool
but holy shit balance wise please
nerf its cleave
Anyway. I, too, will be watching the helbore buff with great interest.
I want to be able to use it but the equip speed really hurts in higher difficulties.
Really ruins the fluidity of combat.
It's also virtually worthless in its current state in areas with nonstop spawns, like the chasm terminus end event.
Oh, you're gonna take 3 seconds to equip it and line up a shot? Good luck, there's now 8 scab bruisers behind you.
It doesn't help.
By the time I've killed those 8 scab bruisers with it, 12 have taken their place.
Is it strong? Yeah, it kills most chaff in 1 headshot, and even some elites in 2 or 3. Is it fast enough to keep up with spawns? No.
Especially not the mk3.
I'll check the notes again real quick and @ you with the changes
@uncut pebble Nvm gaslit both of us
the 1 second deploy stays
Fuck.
Now I want a cigarette. (I don't even smoke, it's just that depressing)
Deploying time?
I'll skim through it again
True helbore users don't even care because we run shock trooper and surgical.
Yeah people hate deploy time on helbore
Guess it come with balance
"Balance" when plasma exists.
its why im like
whats the point of really reducing min shot usage
when like...
the 3 helbore users
dont care
@uncut pebble Holy shit it clicked to me
This might be mandatory in helbore builds now
Where the fuck is that in the talent tree?
That still isn't an answer!
here
(I don't know vet tree off the top of my head)
Is vanguard are reduce stamina consumption
Oh that... that isn't much of a point tax...
Oh it is
Interesting...
O4B is also
decent
but its literally 1 point if you insist on middle path
Right under Vanguard
makes melee 10% and all kills ranged/frags/etc
5%
I love out for blood using graia brauto
confirmed kill
Exhilarating takedown is still gonna be a must.
Free toughness on headshot kills.
Keeps you countershooting nonstop.
Also very useful in weapon spec builds if you want to use your ranged option more.
The enemy highlighting now part of default exe stance
No inmeans
The refresh duration
its value is just too good but after Vanguards rework it makes all the paths genuinely reasonable to pick
Yes, relentless is now default.
Except left side on the middle path.
I could NOT tell you what that talent does.
Close order drill, then confirmed kill, never the other one.
its existence is
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If it was both aura and coherency it'd be a decent pick.
Or like, count the coherency of allies within your extended aura distance.
That way it's easier to stay in coherency.
For the vet, at least.
Alternatively coherency radius to everyone in your aura could receive a boost so it's easier for everyone?
Honestly
Idk, I just think that talent needs looked at.
I can kinda respect the grabbing of this
And so does that one.
I thought it was
Nope, just a raw aura radius increase.
Compulsive reload moments
Yeah if you compusively reload like me cause you should always be topped off for special hordes
it serves a purpose
Isn't that what coherency is based on? People in your aura?
Classic FS bs
Not bs, the talent works as advertised.
Its bs that they are different things
No it isn't.
But anyway, I do agree that the talent needs looked at.
It only serves a purpose with survivalist and even then doesn't serve that much of a purpose when confirmed kill is right there.
CK is just
so fucking good to not take
like you're actively shooting yourself in the foot for not taking it
What ck
Agree to disagree, there's no reason for them to be different other than needless complexity
c-c-c-confiwmed kiww :3
Where's the tags, then?
Confirmed kill, generates toughness on elite kills.
2nd talent down, middle path, on the right.
Agree to disagree also cause i like the idea that aura and coherency are different, in the sense of you get toughness regen if you're close or if your teammate is packing buffs on auras (Towering Presence Ogryn, Charismatic Vet) you get increased range of their aura buff
which with like Surv/Coward Culling
seriously can help a shit ton
Yeah I know that had on my plasma build
So specifically you like getting an aura buff while remaining out of coherency
Yes, sometimes pushing ahead and still having a Damage buff is pretty damn useful
besides higher tier players can get away with not needing to be in Coherency 24/7
Higher tier players can also get away with fewer aura buffs
It is +50% coherency radius (which in turn makes ur aura spread in +50% radius)
Here's another reason why coherency and aura radius being different things is BS (if thats true). Your ability, that is called an AURA, affects teammates in coherency. If your aura radius increases, why wouldn't/shouldn't it increase both?
Thanks I thought I was taking crazy pills
Clandestium gloriana is crazy
1100 minions gd
Yea I was last man standing for like a solid 7-8 minutes and had to fight a horde spawn
And a chaos spawn
Did you die?
bro holy carry
the fuck was your team doing
Dying it appears
no
I missed 2 krak throws when clutching tho which is prob more embarassing
threw a krak over a crusher's head and it didn't stick
getting blasted by flamer and hound waves
Are those two zealot are knife or hammer?
I forgot
I saw the zealot being lv1295 and thought he might one of those carry zealots
he did alr tho ig
both zealots were martyrdom tho
6 wounds
at least I hope they were running martyr with their 6 wounds
Probably their intention build nothing wrong with it
One ogryn take lot dmg sure like heavy tf2
6 wounds no martyrdom would be a such red flag
Branx would be cooler if the heavy 2-light 4 chain time wasn't 16 years
I've ran into them before and they were horrendously bad
Honestly
It's a really big pickaxe
With shit center mass
branx would be cooler if it didn't cut sprint speed by 0.2m/s
So true
everybody else runs at 5.5~6.7m/s depending on build
branx makes u run at 4.8m/s
shame karsolas is just the best ogryn melee
But ouch
What's the worst
idk ogryn has a lot of bad ones
only pickaxes are noteworthy because they are actually good
I have slab shield with BM blessing is that fine?
karsolas is literally ogryn's rashad
Bromentum is always BIS
shield ik a lot of people don't like but
I think shield is super useful for beginners to be able to just absorb gunners' shots
Wait the karsolas light attack pattern are horizontally designate crowd control?
it's a high utility melee and doesn't have bad horde clear speed either
I know shield can enrage shooters into melee too
Paul’s aren’t half bad
light 1, 2 and 3 are literally rashad's light 1, 2 and 3 in terms of attack angle
u can loop with block cancel
heavy 1 & 2 are high cleave high stagger hits
Ehhhhhh
u can weave them in at any order
Personally I wouldn't call them fun
I’m a simple mind person just spam like the rashad without 1 2 block 1 2
karsolas also has hook/PA into single target chain
which allows u to 1 combo crushers & maulers
if not killing in 1 hit with hook -> heavy
that's borovian tbh
power maul is still just weird to play
Can't believe they gave biggest guy a pickaxe and he went from 0 iq baby to rock and stone
They’re literally just
True
Bully clubs except actually good
u also find agripinaa mk9 fun and I feel u need to report to rannick for that
I literally press special key
Agri mk9?
Tell me what's agri mk9
Headhunter auto
ig that's the only application of it
It works on hordes as well
The green or the tan HH?
Mainly suggest mauler hordes
Oh fuck seriously
agripinaa9 is green
I knew vrakses
The fucking night crucis camo gas lit me
Not agri mk9
this one
I immediately thought you misspoke the agri mk8
folding stock
Yes
Vraks3 and agri 9 are both burst
It is?
Yea
Yuh
2 and 3 round burst
The 3 are 2 round burst?
Ye
I think
Wait no
Vraks3 is 3 round
Green is 2 round
I still don't get the point of vraks7
It's like mg1a but less viable
it's MG12 but actually kills stuff
Is it?
I did hear you say it's really tax heavy
I pick 7 make as kinetic dmr
240rpm, one taps both gunners, both shotgunners on headshot without crits
crits can 1 headshot both flamers
20+ round mag, loads of ammo in reserve
Mg1a feel like stock weapon in tf
CURSE YOU BAYLE
FATSHARK
BUFF THE MG12 DAMAGE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS 🔥
we'd prob get both longlas and hotshot volleygun before MG12 buff is a thing lmao
1.5~3x also fine
Sniper in pve has issue with horde killing
Payday 2 has skill make as explosive headshot
As if every gun in darktide does good horde clear
Yea but this is Darktide not space marine 2
Man I love my best horde clear tool
graze aced 
Mg12 infantry lasgun
Do you have your new page handy for the Vraks 7 Cat?
Speaking of SM2
Heard it somehow has less content than darktide at release
Sm2 super Mario 2
Yea
6 PvE missions
3 PvP maps
God damn
Doesn't help that mission briefing screen is literally like darktide
Still glad we don't play as space marines in darktide
“A space marine would destroy the rejects” mfers when they see an Ogryn stack
“A space marine would destroy the rejects” mfers when they see DT veteran’s melee
Space marine would destory the rejects people when they see Power Sword, Plasma, Kraks, VoC vet
Granted DT was in a worse state on launch
I literally could not play the game until October last year lol
Darktide maps:
The Hourglass
- Excise Vault
- Refinery Delta
- Relay Station
The Torrent - Vigil Station
- Magistrati Oubliette
- Silo Cluster
- Orthus Offensive (special assignment)
Throneside - Enclavum Baross
- Comms-Plex
- Archivum Sycorax
Metalfab 36 - Consignment Yard
- Smelter Complex
- Power Matrix
Chasm Terminus - Hab Dreyko
- Chasm Station
- Chasm Logistratum
- Ascension Riser
The Carnival - Mercantile
- Warren 6-19
Interzone Void - Clandestium Gloriana
Coming soon:
- Rolling Steel (operation)
21 missions by the next update
Oh DT release surely was something else
Lmfao
But yea DT rn has a lot of maps
Even excluding Orthus Offensive which is more of a cinematic mission than a highly replayable one that’ll still be 20 by next patch which is in 5 days
Remember, everything you do in darktide is very well canon
So a guardsman soloing a daemonhost with a knife only
Is canon
I think? Rolling Steel will be in Chasm Terminus again
That’ll give Chasm Terminus 5 missions if it’s true
Psyker "Fartblaster420" dying from perils of the warp every 5 minutes with no lasting damage is canon UwU
True
“Not highly replayable”
am now going try branx pickaxe
Is close range 21 meters or am I misremembering
12.5m
somec cloase range bonuses taper off up to lik 40m or whatever so t hat might be why i sould go sleep
yeah, im excited for it
i just prefer using my gun
I like my power sword, but i'd rather it was two handed
All my fellas.
Yo
Sounds like you don't use heavies



