#veteran-class

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frank basin
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True

vernal harbor
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if our strike team can’t complete the mission without VoC then they shouldn’t have it at all

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I will get my 5 consecutive wins with infiltration

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please forgive this sin vet chat

thin stone
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Bruh

hard cave
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I like yellow more than blue as a color

sleek garden
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What senethro said but generally, heavy attacks are more powerful than light attacks

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there are some minor differences

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they tend to do different things

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there's only a few weapons where I think it doesn't really matter? Like tac axes

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They swing super fast and heavies tend to only put out slightly more stagger

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Or might have a bit more cleave

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The easiest thing to think of is 'sideways attack for lots of people downwards for one'

sleek garden
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No other ability can just un screw you

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I see veterans walk off on their own in auric maelstrom green specialist monstrosity waves and they just keep hitting f to win

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And everyone else is struggling

frank ether
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yellow toughness is op

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this is old news

vernal harbor
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You’d think that

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But the inability for literally anyone to give a shit about melee is baffling

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I haven’t worked two jobs this hard since like Nov last year when the update was fresh, they got me clearing the horde and zig zagging to snipe ranged just for them to fall off ledges and shit

severe gale
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you can inspect them to see the difference on damage between lights and heavies, and on heavies, revved attacks will also deal more damage

usually with heavy attacks (including on mk4 chain sword) they will do what the light attacks don’t, so lights on the mk4 are more single target, and the heavies are more oriented for hordes, as they are wider sweeping

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now there’s a lot of exceptions to that rule of thumb, because weapon combos, such as mk2 eviscerator mixing both heavies and lights for horde clear

severe gale
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it’s so dumb

frank ether
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the way its coded its like having another layer of toughness on top of the existing thing

frank ether
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you get away with so much bs for having yellow toughness

severe gale
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yeah it’s super stupid

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i think voice of command should be reworked or replaced, and have zealot’s chorus reworked at the same time

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but vet chat won’t like that…….

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brocken…

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🥀🥀

frank ether
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just remove the yellow toughness

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introduce some other buff

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done deal

faint beacon
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Just give a buff that gives increased TDR but still bleeds through to HP

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like bro

severe gale
faint beacon
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Actually no if we did that like normal human beings every vet main would be upset

frank ether
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replace that node with I don't know, stun immunity for the same duration or something

frank ether
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stuff of that nature

faint beacon
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Give it to zealot

severe gale
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and all the vets threw a tantrum

severe gale
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haaate

faint beacon
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Base kit like 100 toughness is fine, personally remove golden and just give a high TDR buff

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Cause then you still get punished

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For playing like a troglodyte

grand perch
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i wish voc was like an aoe rending, attack speed and damage buff along with the pushback. maybe TDR as well, but no refilling toughness

faint beacon
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No

frank ether
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and a lot of the weapons and classes felt pretty meh to play too which doesn't help

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this game became fun when they buffed a ton of shit but they definitely went too far in a few areas with the buffing I guess

frank ether
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like its wild psword is still receiving buffs patch after patch

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Idk what they decide this on

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statistics?

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every mf is using plasma/psword

grand perch
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in my subjective experience, i dont see psword noticable more often than the other popular melees

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i'd like to see some stats on that usage

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hate them personally by now. feels like being bolted onto the floor and will get you killed now and then because of that

topaz lance
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Luckily Rashad Axe is totally fine right guys?

severe gale
topaz lance
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Revolver should one shot bosses.

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Plasma should one shot Rannick.

thin stone
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Is Recon Lasgun VIIa good?

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And how does it compare to the VId?

pseudo fiber
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Its okay in comparison

slow spade
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Iirc its pretty shit compared to other recons due to using 2 ammo per shot + slower fire rate

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Without enough benefits to compensate

hard cave
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I don't think voc is the problem, its the one perk that reduces skill time on elite/specialist kill

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voc as a support ability is kinda cool

radiant chasm
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7a does more damage and has a bit of cleave

frank ether
hard cave
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ig

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idk I think there's a learning curve as well when it comes to optimally utilizing shit

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other than that one revolver, which is overtuned lmao

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I personally never had any issues of voc being "broken"

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even with two vets running it, we still went down lmao

hard cave
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:(

faint beacon
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VOC still seriously needs a nerf

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Golden toughness and Tac awareness are the big issues

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There is more than just that

lavish token
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Voc is essentially a 20 second timer for until death on vet

faint beacon
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You become better at veteran when you don’t use VOC constantly

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Not saying much cause this class is unironically the second most powerful class in the game behind Psyker

alpine nexus
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VOC is insanely good. The few times I play veteran I feel like I just handicapped the team if I don't pick it.

faint beacon
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Their loss lmao

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Like they should understand positioning by the time they start throwing themselves into Auric

alpine nexus
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I do like the idea of it. But yeah. It is a bit too good.

hard cave
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Wouldn't reducing the toughness from +100 to +50 be a substantial enough nerf?

faint beacon
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Rework it to TDR

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Increase its CD

hard cave
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TDR?

faint beacon
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so bad players still get punished

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Toughness Damage Reduction

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Completely toss golden toughness

hard cave
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punishing bad players is kinda bad

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this games learning curve is already kind of a hurdle

faint beacon
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TDR of a high value makes HP bleed through literally like tickle

faint beacon
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Like it’s a group buff they should understand yeah it helps

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It shouldn’t be a safety net

hard cave
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:l

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safety nets are kinda important for new and bad players though

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The game's enjoyability is still important

faint beacon
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It forces them to learn

alpine nexus
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Could still have it be a really good ability. Just not "Next to invincible almost all the time"

faint beacon
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Which is why I suggested that instead

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Fucking Zealot with its talents

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Hitting nearly 90% DR

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Is fucking insane

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Literally nearly 0 toughness and you get hit

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And you just scoff at how you take like 10 HP

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Those are just groaners though cause a crusher is still going to fucking flatten you like a pancake

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Vs current VOC where it’s you pop it and face tank a crusher

uncut pebble
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Don't forget iron will being part of the problem with overtoughness.

faint beacon
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I don’t mind Iron Will

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It’s extremely strong

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But like it plays into why VOC is overpowered also

uncut pebble
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Yeah. By itself, it's fine.

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But with VOC, that is what makes you unkillable.

faint beacon
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Anyways yeah there’s a few things on Vet that needs tweaking and it’s genuinely going to be in a more balanced spot if that happens

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But I feel like DooDooShart is scared to touch VOC cause recall the power sword and Surv aura nerfs

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Vet mains:

thin socket
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i think I'm just plasma gun nut

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I can't melt auric maelstrom to the same capacity with other guns

faint beacon
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Dorn if you’re in here can you please send the dreaded post

idle swallow
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Saying you're only great when using plasma is like saying you're only great at 5k runs while on a bike

faint beacon
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(Demonpost)

thin socket
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I can use other guns, I just don't like them as much as plasma

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I like how your first instinct was to respond with a belittling insult tho, good looks 👍

faint beacon
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Plasma has an extremely bad rep cause it’s very fucking overtuned atm

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Like the Zarona

slow sky
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hi guys is this a good build for vet? im pretty new to the class

faint beacon
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Fucking old

thin socket
slow sky
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im aware

thin socket
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I like using it because its strong and fun to use

faint beacon
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But honestly no

thin socket
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Also really like my vii shovel

faint beacon
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For a start

faint beacon
slow sky
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someone posted thier build here and i kinda like it but idk if its good, im still in mid 10s so

thin socket
slow sky
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like idk if its good or not because im new to this class

thin socket
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clip is too small and lacks punch through when I need it to not suck at it at the worst of times

faint beacon
fleet wagon
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been having a lot of fun with zarona/knife with weapon specialist with the third-person mod

thin socket
faint beacon
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I could throw you something together in a bit

vestal widget
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youtube builds are generally questionable, that one is pretty bad

thin socket
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feels too bouncy per shot as well

slow sky
mortal orbit
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@slow sky what weapon do u like using

faint beacon
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HHAs need stability 70+

slow sky
faint beacon
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But they’re good when you have one like that

mortal orbit
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Better be double barrel, being doomguy and all

slow sky
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lol

thin socket
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Double barrel is fun when using it with right tree keystones

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the one that reloads automatically is neat

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from reserves

mortal orbit
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^^

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Yes.

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But recon is good too.

thin socket
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Critcon VI ❤️

vestal widget
mortal orbit
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@slow sky NGL youre only level 10 so i suggest trying everything

mortal orbit
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But i have a recon build thats a meme, and is fun

slow sky
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so not all recons are auto?

thin socket
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All are

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they have different rof tho

slow sky
idle swallow
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If you're around level 10 just mess around with the different variants and see what you like since you're short on talent points for most setups

junior needle
slow sky
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going like this for now

thin socket
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drop that second right node

vestal widget
thin socket
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not worth it

vestal widget
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are you level 10 now?

junior needle
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It does not, the 6d is even the least ammo efficient recon model

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Randos regularly prove this

slow sky
slow sky
mortal orbit
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@slow sky

slow sky
vestal widget
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at 14 I'd run this, + 2 points to play with

mortal orbit
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Dont listen to these guys

junior needle
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Onslaught is just for crusher cracking btw

mortal orbit
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But at low level u go VoC

junior needle
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It has negligible benefit against other armor types on recons

mortal orbit
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And stay away from cover fire. Waste of a point

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U have VoC for toughness

slow sky
junior needle
lavish token
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Game is not doing well and seemingly won’t improve fast enough

fleet wagon
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it was super unoptimized at launch, i refunded but recently came back and runs fine with the occasional CTD

mortal orbit
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Game is good.

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Needs more dwarves

slow sky
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||i never saw any issues with this game at launch||

junior needle
fleet wagon
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wish i did haha

slow sky
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Sure i agree performance issues where there for a lot of people but gameplay wise i liked it a lot

junior needle
topaz lance
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and that's ok.

vestal widget
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i think dorn means in terms of gameplay/qol improvements

junior needle
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Every other game at minimum

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Sometimes multiple times a game

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FPS was choppy too

vestal widget
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the game crashes every time i click the quit button, i have a ton of mods tho

junior needle
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And I had a pretty good rig

topaz lance
mortal orbit
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Ah yea. The current xbox experience. staregryn

junior needle
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Gameplay had issues at the start too

mortal orbit
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But, big train.

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Big train = dub

mental cloud
slow sky
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at the grinder rn and took me like 12 tries before getting a double nade lol

junior needle
mortal orbit
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The double nade is a flex point.

junior needle
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Damage was done by then though

faint beacon
mortal orbit
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I play mostly auric and getting two nades on a specialist pack usually means an instant refund so hell ya

faint beacon
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And 1 is really only truly auric Mael viable

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So don’t use it

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Twinned blast not demo team before you ask

mortal orbit
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Anything below auric i wouldnt recommend running twinned or demo team.

faint beacon
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Grenade regen is a no brainer

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But like

mental cloud
mortal orbit
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You type fast.

faint beacon
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If you’re running Exe or Infil just pick up Demo Team

mortal orbit
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Xbox RN is not great. Audio bugs are always a thing, every other game enemy animations wont play out.

junior needle
mortal orbit
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Fixed it by turning off crossplay but= no auric matchmaking

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And auric is the way to play, my brothers

thin socket
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I got an OoM last night during a maelstrom

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hasn't happened in a while tbh

mental cloud
faint beacon
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Only Aurics and Mael

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Trust me if this game was PC only it’d be a lot more fucking chaotic

mental cloud
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I believe that lol.

mortal orbit
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The game ran great before the last big patch. Never had issues with it chugging during auric prior to it.

junior needle
faint beacon
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Cause the fixed spawns

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That’s mainly why

mortal orbit
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Oh shit

faint beacon
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There was an issue with events on maps where it just

mortal orbit
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U smart

faint beacon
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Didn’t fucking spawn enemies

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Lmao

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Yeah no you’re good

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Handful of patches did this

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It’s a recurring bug that happens

lavish token
faint beacon
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True

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They’re still fucking broken

mortal orbit
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Nah that actually makes alot of sense.

lavish token
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love my total damage done being under a million in 3vegs

faint beacon
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I do not like having 0 purpose in the match cause i queued with 2 plasma veterans

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Minus horde clear

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Unless one of them is a Tanner Acolyte and decides to use it for Horde clear for some ungodly reason

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No I will never not talk shit about Tanner

idle swallow
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the almighty horde clear plasma, inshallah so it must be done

vestal widget
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how often are plasma players actually good in auric now

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i feel like it's an 80% chance of getting a newbie who is going to be #3/4 on elite kills

faint beacon
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Barely ever good

vestal widget
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ime

junior needle
lavish token
lavish token
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trash maelstrom

junior needle
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Says they’re actually good in the title and never to believe anyone who says otherwise.

Then in the video he says two are trash and never use them, but one of them gets “ok dps

faint beacon
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Inshallah if Tanner wills it

faint beacon
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Thank god I’m working!

vestal widget
faint beacon
vestal widget
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3x3 deadshot builds are so fun

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not enough juice for the squeeze power:effort wise, but very fun

faint beacon
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Unless you can dodge or have quick reaction timing with melee

junior needle
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As it turns out, if you stack a lot of damage boosts you can compensate for a poor baseline

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Even if it's much less efficient

hard cave
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wojak gif for the darktide community

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we're doomed

faint beacon
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Which are god awful

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I’ll never forget Tanner going nuclear over people defending uncanny

junior needle
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It's correct to say that damage is less impactful than it seems at first glance

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But not correct to say it's a dump stat

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Especially on breakpoint particular weapons

faint beacon
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Some weapons it seriously matters

frank basin
faint beacon
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Yeah it’s talking shit on his takes

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Lmao

vestal widget
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..did he do the maths on uncanny

faint beacon
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I couldn’t bear to watch his video on uncanny for more than a few minutes but it’s mainly cause it effects carapace mindset when it also effects Flak/Maniac/Unyield

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Aka it’s just good

faint beacon
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Truly peak

thorn lark
faint beacon
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You need to use plasma for horde clear

thorn lark
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I do use kickback for horde clear. I only need one elite or one special inside for justification.

trim steppe
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Kickback is top tier ranged horde clear

junior needle
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Ogryn already has amazing horde clear melee weapons

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Using it just for chaffe is rather wasteful

vestal widget
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fun tho, esp if your team doesn't have an ammo black hole on it

grand perch
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if its enough trash i dont mind. but when they do it to 1-3 poxwalkers, i make a mental note to rush ammo bags first

junior needle
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Many things you shouldn't be doing are fun KEKW_ogryn

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That's why life is hard

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Like gambling

trim steppe
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Only like 5% of (my) matches have any sort of issues with ammo scarcity, usually people are leaving ammo behind. So I see no reason to avoid doing funny stuff with ranged horde clear from time to time. Just don't do it all match long and be the only person taking all the ammo

junior needle
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If it's going to waste anyway then there's no problem

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But I have flashbacks to recon nam with the ammo goblins

trim steppe
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lol

junior needle
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Was not a good time with them

trim steppe
junior needle
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Constant shooting into chaffe, out of ammo in the first room, drops an ammo box just for himself

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Psychopath behavior

trim steppe
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People act like ranged horde clear is a cardinal sin but the real sin is a lack of awareness and consideration for your team

lavish token
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Ranged horde clear is a cardinal sin

junior needle
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Yes, if ammo is not an issue then it's fine. But if the score looks like that and I have to run dry on ammo the whole game so Pvt Parts can have a laser rave with the poxwalkers

trim steppe
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If your team is running dry and you're shooting poxxies youre a problem. If everyones in the white and you're shooting poxxies thats just a good time

odd sparrow
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Ranged horde clear is fine on flamer. Very occasionally plasma and thats it

lavish token
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99% of the time, if I see a recon user mag dump into hordes, they die to one crusher

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Xbox moment

odd sparrow
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Maybe getting MF stacks with an autogun

lavish token
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MF needs a rework

odd sparrow
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Its a bit too weak with actual precision weapons

lavish token
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It’s one of the worst keystones in the game

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BLO is actually the worst, MF comes second

serene bough
trim steppe
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God, BLO is such a waste of points. I'd rather take an unnamed node than BLO

serene bough
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he has game knowledge but he's obviously being contentious and controversal for clicks

narrow frost
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psyker is asleep

lavish token
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Aight one second

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@old prism @grizzled pebble

grizzled pebble
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@lavish token y u no play?

narrow frost
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Average twin hater

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Dorn moment

grizzled pebble
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I'll come for the memes. whatthefuck_heresy

narrow frost
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too late, he has arrived

grizzled pebble
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Is cool I'm back to watching shogun.

midnight totem
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Shogun is good

faint beacon
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But it’s just so shit I see myself using WS more

scenic hull
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Hey been a while since i played.
Question. Did they remove the perk where you insta reload your weapons when doing volley fire?

junior needle
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A very long time it seems

scenic hull
faint beacon
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You want to balance it with Vet

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2 Toughness + 1 HP usually

scenic hull
faint beacon
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But you can do vice versa

scenic hull
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I find it hard to get higher than 15% tough charms. So that is why i have two 20% hp for now

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Also a shame about that insta reload thing. Was using it a lot for bolters since their reloads are painfully long by default -_-

idle swallow
faint beacon
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I’m only level 5

uncut pebble
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You just have to get really lucky with Brunt or Sour Milk to pull 21% hp/17% toughness/+3 stamina curios.

tall torrent
junior needle
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You only need one for a proper british gaming experience (knoife)

tall torrent
junior needle
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Which knife are we talking

tall torrent
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Pickaxes have pretty notable clear speed (especially Karsolas) and that’s about it

junior needle
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The bb fucks

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Absolute chaffe melter

tall torrent
junior needle
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while the mk4 still clears well

tall torrent
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It’s just not that fast in the grand scheme of things

junior needle
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That's fair, I expect the zealot and vet with crit heavy crit access to mulch hordes with things like chainswords better

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But ogryn weapons are more idiot proof and relaxing, or at least when I played still

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Turns out confident strike is nuts

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So you shouldn't have any issues dealing with chaffe for lack of skill when you can essentially just left click

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Compared to say, vet or zealot

tall torrent
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Mk3 and mk4 cleaver should have similar clear speed as well

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The cleave profile & distribution are the same between them

junior needle
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Does the 4 still need to weave in heavies for optimal clear

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Because 2 of the attacks are stabs

tall torrent
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But H2 has 28.1 cleave so

junior needle
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I cannot be motivated to weave attacks by any means

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Largely because they're a pain to automate

tame lodge
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Unstoppable Force Cleaver 6 gigachad1

tame lodge
junior needle
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What's the target cap for the cleavers

tall torrent
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drops to minimum on 5th

grand perch
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fake path spotted KEKW_ogryn

umbral scaffold
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pathn't

tall torrent
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afaik only XV evicerator, bully clubs (all) and chainaxes (both) have dmg-target cap that fall to 0 in cleave dmg distribution after
EV15: 4 targets in light atks
Chainaxe12: 4 targets in light atks, 2 targets in PA
Chainaxe4: 4 targets in heavy atks
Bully clubs: 3 targets in heavy sweep

junior needle
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They just get neutered for no reason huh

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Thanks fatshark

tall torrent
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Yea bully clubs are pretty disastrously bad at it

idle swallow
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literally just said fuck this 4 weapon types in particular

sleek garden
faint beacon
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Mk4 fucking deletes hordes

sleek garden
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I really thought the mk 3 would because the heavies are just side chops

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But they hit like 3 people

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And the light attacks suck and the stab does too

gentle maple
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So should we still collect stickers or better to wait?

tropic notch
faint beacon
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Mk4 Cleaver

tropic notch
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yeah

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i think

faint beacon
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Nonetheless I’m mainly talking about the Mk4 that thing is vile with savage sweep

tropic notch
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has some k word in front

faint beacon
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Savage sweep + Slaughterer

tropic notch
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oh yeah its stupid

thorn lark
trim steppe
thorn lark
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It is

trim steppe
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the mk3 bull butcher you spam lights, the mk4 is better but you have to do a combo so its harder to use. you start with a push attack and then alternate H -> L -> H -> L

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Slaughterer + Confident strike is amazing, you kill or stun lock everything around you and have infinite toughness to prevent ranged (or melee) chip

junior needle
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The mk4 is still functional enough for clear even with lightspam, but yeah alternating seems to be better

trim steppe
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If you're just going to light spam you might as well use the mk3 since it's better at spamming

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But yeah

junior needle
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The issue with the mk3 light spam is that it's not nearly as good on damage against hard targets

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So I ended up taking the 4 to light spam everything including crushers to death

trim steppe
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Lol that's one way to do it I suppose. If it works 🤷‍♂️

junior needle
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I've extensively unga'd this bunga

trim steppe
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I moved on from the mk3 to the Mk4 to deal with armor like you said. I usually do the combo clear but if I get flustered in a pinch, light spam does tend to get the job done

junior needle
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There's also one of the clubs, which has surprisingly good light spam and can handle harder targets but I didn't like the performance as much as the 4

hollow warren
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literally the first gun I buy off of Brunt's KEKW_ogryn

faint beacon
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God roll

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Lmao

hollow warren
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I guess if we'll be able to increase the weapon's stats after the itemization update, then I'll be able to fix the low mobility, eh?

faint beacon
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Turn it into a Graia cause Columnus stinky

hollow warren
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But I like to be stinky

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which Graia tho? the infantry or braced?

faint beacon
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Infantry

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You’ll be able to change marks with the update

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Columnus Graia or Agri Autoguns

supple stag
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Columnus stinky, Agripinaa though...

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Goat

hollow warren
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why nobody like Columnus?

faint beacon
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Graia 🤝 Agripinaa

Being actually cool IAGs

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They’re balanced

supple stag
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🗣️

faint beacon
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CIAG is incredibly overtuned

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I’m more of a GIAG fan but I respect AIAG

supple stag
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AAIG I love, it feels like a proper Battle Rifle

faint beacon
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It has Cleave

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So it feels like it hits hard

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GIAG is a perfect inbetween imo

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Stock AR I suppose

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AIAG feels like a heavy caliber BR

supple stag
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It does yes, which makes it so appealing, I did test Graia too, also pretty alright weapon

junior needle
faint beacon
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IAGs are just good

supple stag
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Infantry Autoguns have really good finesse modifiers

faint beacon
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Probably my second preferred weapon but

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I’m going to stick with HHAs

faint beacon
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Hence why it just fucking deletes everything

supple stag
#

We do not speak of Columnus

#

I pretend it doesn't exist, alongside Plasma

faint beacon
#

Ughh

#

Reminding me I have to play plasma post 26th

#

So I can 100% it

#

And never touch it again

#

Remember

#

Weapon skins are supposedly an award

supple stag
#

Nah, not gonna touch it

faint beacon
#

I’m going to BEGRUDGINGLY

#

100% it

#

Then immediately tossing it out of my inventory like an unwanted child

#

I’m a completionist so I have too sadly

supple stag
#

I see, well I hope it will go by fast for ye

#

I need to test my Vraks 3 finally

#

Any decent BPs with Exe Stance?

gilded wraith
#

Do any of the Vrak's marks standout more than the others?

supple stag
#

I'd say Vraks 7 is the best one, if you don't mind single fire

faint beacon
#

If you run precision strikes

supple stag
#

I do, each time I try HHAs

faint beacon
#

I unironically main the Agri

gilded wraith
#

Respect!

faint beacon
#

Vraks 7 is a sniper disguised as a DMR

supple stag
#

Vraks 7 fucks hard, but not maniacs sadly

#

Flamers are annoying to deal with using those

faint beacon
#

Click on head twice

#

The Agri user experience

gilded wraith
#

Any oddities with the Vraks 3's crits? Or do they act just like a regular crit string?

junior needle
#

Burst fires either crit for the entire burst or not at all

#

at least last I checked

junior needle
faint beacon
#

Correct

#

Rending strikes talent massively help for the entire HHA tree

supple stag
#

Thank ye kindred

faint beacon
#

It’s probably the reason why I don’t really complain about my HHA dropping a rager in 2-3 volleys

tall torrent
junior needle
#

Fatshork making power crept weapons but not making old ones better

#

Classic

faint beacon
#

Remember when we thought the Kars was the weakest of them

#

Good times

#

Around launch of Secrets

#

Everyone thought the Branx was the best one lmao

#

They were blind to the true state of the Kars

#

I mean funny enough it didn’t mean it was bad

#

It was just thought at the time it was the weakest of the family tree for picks

ocean moat
#

did they change how the autogun recoil?

#

they feel real shit when i tried them and definitely not how i remember them

faint beacon
#

Power creep at its finest Azreal

winter grove
#

I did get a god roll branx so I've been having fun with it

gilded rock
tame lodge
#

Something something move set

#

Idk

winter grove
junior needle
#

I'll try that pick after the update, assuming it's still at the same power level

lavish token
#

The curse of the guide

winter grove
junior needle
#

k12 actually got power crept

#

But it had a good run

winter grove
#

They should just add a bit more dmg to it

#

So I can finally just elite special snipe instead of relying on exec stance

#

And opening salvo

uncut pebble
#

I think the mk12 lasgun should be able to have comfortable 1shot breakpoints instead of this goofy shit where you have to stack literally every weakspot/elite buff possible.

fossil basalt
#

kan12 should be The Gun you take when you're confident you can hit heads

sadly hitting heads is not enough without work, which makes it fall far behind

#

I wish they'd add some good cleave to it too

hard cave
#

I wish the ia was good

winter grove
#

Now that's a bait

final locust
#

fellas

#

when we gonna get that kasrkin helmet

#

with the mask

winter grove
final locust
#

yeah im aware

winter grove
#

Fatshark thinks it was enough

#

So probably never

#

Lmao

final locust
#

instead they'd rather give us rags and chainmail

#

oh well, at least old cosmetics still look good

final locust
#

i forget what else theyre adding

winter grove
#

Itemization overhaul

pseudo fiber
#

and the group finder

tribal tangle
#

If theres a vet named sally in here they're really bad

#

im +20 on psyker and had to clutch twice, sally left the game 2-3 times attempting to cheese

tribal tangle
#

sure

#

'he called me dumb in the game after showing how bad he is

final locust
#

sally will pull up????

tribal tangle
#

no balls

final locust
#

fr fr

tribal tangle
#

i shouldve recorded the jumping all over the place, panic dodging jumping up

final locust
#

ngl

#

I do that sometimes, but its just because im trying to dodge quickly

tribal tangle
#

weve all done it

final locust
#

not panic

tribal tangle
#

no excuses this dude is 2000+\

final locust
#

excuse me 1 sec

#

what is 2000+

#

penance score or something?

tribal tangle
#

he is 2000+ levels over 30

final locust
#

oh damn

#

huh

tribal tangle
#

2200 actually

final locust
#

thats some serious dedication

tribal tangle
#

and yet stilll bbad

final locust
#

welpp

#

experience doesnt mean youre good i guess

tribal tangle
final locust
#

cant wait for the new mission

#

I like using my gun and theyre like "we're going to make it so players naturally have to go close quarters"

#

nice

trim steppe
#

I can't wait to hear the new banger from Jesper Kyd

final locust
#

yeah

#

wonder when we'll get more story though

pseudo fiber
#

Probably with the update

idle pecan
#

Fuck updates, the songs are all that matter

junior needle
#

Space book says it's bad

lavish token
faint beacon
#

Casual Zealot Activities

tribal tangle
#

Nah no witch hunting, just hoping they'd see it

#

I said it in the vet chat too

#

They called the team dumb when they went down multiple times and left attempting to cheese

#

I had to clutch twice

#

Ah wrong ping this is the vet chat KEKW_ogryn

winter grove
faint beacon
#

murder

idle swallow
winter grove
tribal tangle
#

This guys a real jerk 😠 we'll put it behind us

#

This time chadgryn

tough tiger
#

Did any of the ilas get buffed with last update?

sleek garden
#

I can imagine there will be parts on top of the train overlooking enemies or a long car hallway

idle swallow
#

I'm always a sucker for a good moving train level

#

Or moving plane for that matter

faint beacon
somber axle
#

Nope but they're all still good for elite/special kill duty on anything other than Carapace

#

I've been running the Mk IV a lot more for the fun of just spamming shots without a care for ammo concerns

worldly pulsar
#

Is there a build that'll make the Helbore shine? I want to like it but it always feels lacking. Maybe skill issue.

uncut pebble
#

Something with focus target is likely the best way to use helbore lasguns.

faint beacon
#

FT is general is good its raw damage

uncut pebble
#

Marksmans focus is cool but not necessary because with a proper helbore you'll be 1tapping just about everything that isn't a crusher or mauler.

faint beacon
#

if you REALLY want to test your skill run that ^

#

Marksman would be good seeing well, if you're not clicking heads with the Helbore you're not using it correctly

uncut pebble
#

I'm just saying you'll be meeting a lot of your 1shot headshot breakpoints without marksmans focus.

#

They're in such a weird spot right now and I believe it's due to the equip time.

#

If they would remove that goofy animation I think helbore usage would tick up.

#

But as it stands it's only really used by people that know how to use it or hardcore krieg larpers.

faint beacon
#

they're making it like from fuck I forget how long it was

#

I know its over a second to below it now

#

so it has a deploy speed still but drastically sped up

uncut pebble
#

Just remove it entirely.

#

It serves zero purpose and inhibits the marksman playstyle significantly.

faint beacon
#

Im going to wait till the update drops

uncut pebble
#

That, I believe, is also why plasma is so overused.

faint beacon
#

and see how fast it is before I say anything

uncut pebble
#

Anything helbore can do, plasma does better.

faint beacon
#

Tbf

#

Zarona and Plasma

#

outshine both ILAGs, HHAs, and Helbores

uncut pebble
#

Both need their cleave values taken out back and shot.

faint beacon
#

🗣️

uncut pebble
#

Neither should cleave an almost infinite number of targets just to pick out one specific offender.

faint beacon
#

Plasma being able to shoot through walls is cool

#

but holy shit balance wise please

#

nerf its cleave

uncut pebble
#

Anyway. I, too, will be watching the helbore buff with great interest.

#

I want to be able to use it but the equip speed really hurts in higher difficulties.

#

Really ruins the fluidity of combat.

#

It's also virtually worthless in its current state in areas with nonstop spawns, like the chasm terminus end event.

#

Oh, you're gonna take 3 seconds to equip it and line up a shot? Good luck, there's now 8 scab bruisers behind you.

radiant chasm
#

i mean the bayonet is there

#

specifically so you have to swap less

uncut pebble
#

It doesn't help.

#

By the time I've killed those 8 scab bruisers with it, 12 have taken their place.

#

Is it strong? Yeah, it kills most chaff in 1 headshot, and even some elites in 2 or 3. Is it fast enough to keep up with spawns? No.

#

Especially not the mk3.

faint beacon
#

@uncut pebble Nvm gaslit both of us

#

the 1 second deploy stays

uncut pebble
#

Fuck.

faint beacon
#

I mean they reduced ammo usage though which is...

#

ehh?..

uncut pebble
#

Now I want a cigarette. (I don't even smoke, it's just that depressing)

frank basin
#

Deploying time?

faint beacon
#

I'll skim through it again

uncut pebble
frank basin
#

Yeah people hate deploy time on helbore

uncut pebble
#

Exactly.

#

Makes the weapon so unfun to use.

frank basin
#

Guess it come with balance

uncut pebble
#

"Balance" when plasma exists.

faint beacon
#

whats the point of really reducing min shot usage

#

when like...

#

the 3 helbore users

#

dont care

#

@uncut pebble Holy shit it clicked to me

#

This might be mandatory in helbore builds now

uncut pebble
#

Where the fuck is that in the talent tree?

faint beacon
#

its vanguard

#

they're reworking it

uncut pebble
#

That still isn't an answer!

faint beacon
#

here

uncut pebble
#

(I don't know vet tree off the top of my head)

faint beacon
#

Holy shit taking ages to load

#

finally

frank basin
uncut pebble
#

Oh that... that isn't much of a point tax...

frank basin
#

Oh it is

uncut pebble
#

Interesting...

faint beacon
#

O4B is also

#

decent

#

but its literally 1 point if you insist on middle path

#

Right under Vanguard

#

makes melee 10% and all kills ranged/frags/etc

#

5%

uncut pebble
#

That is also not terrible.

#

Might unironically just run both and avoid the middle.

faint beacon
#

I'd honestly

#

imo

frank basin
#

I love out for blood using graia brauto

faint beacon
#

confirmed kill

uncut pebble
#

Exhilarating takedown is still gonna be a must.

#

Free toughness on headshot kills.

#

Keeps you countershooting nonstop.

#

Also very useful in weapon spec builds if you want to use your ranged option more.

frank basin
#

The enemy highlighting now part of default exe stance

#

No inmeans

#

The refresh duration

faint beacon
#

its value is just too good but after Vanguards rework it makes all the paths genuinely reasonable to pick

uncut pebble
#

Yes, relentless is now default.

uncut pebble
#

I could NOT tell you what that talent does.

#

Close order drill, then confirmed kill, never the other one.

faint beacon
#

50% Aura Increase

uncut pebble
#

Yeah that's worthless imo.

#

Only useful on survivalist.

faint beacon
#

its existence is

faint beacon
#

literally only there to pair with Born leader

faint beacon
uncut pebble
#

If it was both aura and coherency it'd be a decent pick.

#

Or like, count the coherency of allies within your extended aura distance.

#

That way it's easier to stay in coherency.

#

For the vet, at least.

#

Alternatively coherency radius to everyone in your aura could receive a boost so it's easier for everyone?

faint beacon
#

Honestly

uncut pebble
#

Idk, I just think that talent needs looked at.

faint beacon
#

I can kinda respect the grabbing of this

uncut pebble
#

And so does that one.

faint beacon
#

even though its not great

#

I can respect it

uncut pebble
frank basin
faint beacon
#

Yeah if you compusively reload like me cause you should always be topped off for special hordes

#

it serves a purpose

trim steppe
uncut pebble
#

No.

#

Aura radius and coherency radius are two different things.

trim steppe
#

Classic FS bs

uncut pebble
#

Not bs, the talent works as advertised.

trim steppe
#

Its bs that they are different things

uncut pebble
#

No it isn't.

#

But anyway, I do agree that the talent needs looked at.

#

It only serves a purpose with survivalist and even then doesn't serve that much of a purpose when confirmed kill is right there.

faint beacon
#

CK is just

#

so fucking good to not take

#

like you're actively shooting yourself in the foot for not taking it

frank basin
#

What ck

trim steppe
last parcel
#

c-c-c-confiwmed kiww :3

oblique totem
#

Where's the tags, then?

uncut pebble
#

2nd talent down, middle path, on the right.

faint beacon
#

which with like Surv/Coward Culling

#

seriously can help a shit ton

frank basin
trim steppe
faint beacon
#

Yes, sometimes pushing ahead and still having a Damage buff is pretty damn useful

#

besides higher tier players can get away with not needing to be in Coherency 24/7

trim steppe
#

Higher tier players can also get away with fewer aura buffs

serene bough
#

I don't use confirmed kill

#

I just take ET

radiant chasm
#

Ck is just too strong

#

Especially on higher densities

tall torrent
uncut pebble
#

Then that description fucking sucks!

tall torrent
#

It is what it is

#

It’s still a pretty meh talent

trim steppe
#

Here's another reason why coherency and aura radius being different things is BS (if thats true). Your ability, that is called an AURA, affects teammates in coherency. If your aura radius increases, why wouldn't/shouldn't it increase both?

trim steppe
frank basin
#

Cauliflower cat has spoken

#

Once again

tall torrent
#

Clandestium gloriana is crazy

trim steppe
#

1100 minions gd

tall torrent
#

Yea I was last man standing for like a solid 7-8 minutes and had to fight a horde spawn

#

And a chaos spawn

frank basin
#

Did you die?

faint beacon
#

bro holy carry

#

the fuck was your team doing

pseudo fiber
#

Dying it appears

tall torrent
#

I missed 2 krak throws when clutching tho which is prob more embarassing

#

threw a krak over a crusher's head and it didn't stick

frank basin
#

As long you didn’t die

#

So you can continue serve emperor best expendable

tall torrent
frank basin
#

Are those two zealot are knife or hammer?

tall torrent
#

I saw the zealot being lv1295 and thought he might one of those carry zealots

#

he did alr tho ig

#

both zealots were martyrdom tho

#

6 wounds

#

at least I hope they were running martyr with their 6 wounds

frank basin
#

Probably their intention build nothing wrong with it

#

One ogryn take lot dmg sure like heavy tf2

tall torrent
#

ogryn I think was on pickaxe

#

prob branx

winter grove
austere mica
#

Branx would be cooler if the heavy 2-light 4 chain time wasn't 16 years

tall torrent
winter grove
#

It's a really big pickaxe

#

With shit center mass

tall torrent
winter grove
#

So true

tall torrent
#

everybody else runs at 5.5~6.7m/s depending on build
branx makes u run at 4.8m/s

winter grove
#

Branx at least makes you cool while running

#

I like the anim

tall torrent
#

shame karsolas is just the best ogryn melee

winter grove
#

But ouch

winter grove
tall torrent
#

only pickaxes are noteworthy because they are actually good

frank basin
#

I have slab shield with BM blessing is that fine?

tall torrent
#

karsolas is literally ogryn's rashad

austere mica
tall torrent
#

I think shield is super useful for beginners to be able to just absorb gunners' shots

frank basin
tall torrent
#

it's a high utility melee and doesn't have bad horde clear speed either

winter grove
faint beacon
#

Paul’s aren’t half bad

tall torrent
#

u can loop with block cancel

faint beacon
#

If you’re looking for something that isn’t horrendously overtuned

#

Paul’s are fun

tall torrent
#

heavy 1 & 2 are high cleave high stagger hits

winter grove
tall torrent
#

u can weave them in at any order

winter grove
#

Personally I wouldn't call them fun

frank basin
#

I’m a simple mind person just spam like the rashad without 1 2 block 1 2

tall torrent
#

karsolas also has hook/PA into single target chain

#

which allows u to 1 combo crushers & maulers

#

if not killing in 1 hit with hook -> heavy

tall torrent
#

power maul is still just weird to play

faint beacon
#

Idk man

#

I find them fun

winter grove
#

Can't believe they gave biggest guy a pickaxe and he went from 0 iq baby to rock and stone

faint beacon
#

They’re literally just

winter grove
faint beacon
#

Bully clubs except actually good

tall torrent
frank basin
#

I like the vertical swing heavy 1 club

#

I can bonk the mauler easily feel powerful

faint beacon
winter grove
#

Agri mk9?

faint beacon
#

Click on crusher or bulwark

#

Instant 8 SkC stacks

#

Free damage real

winter grove
#

Tell me what's agri mk9

faint beacon
#

Headhunter auto

tall torrent
faint beacon
#

It works on hordes as well

winter grove
faint beacon
#

Mainly suggest mauler hordes

faint beacon
#

Blue one

tall torrent
#

blue is vraks3

#

brown is vraks7

faint beacon
#

Oh fuck seriously

tall torrent
#

agripinaa9 is green

winter grove
#

I knew vrakses

faint beacon
#

The fucking night crucis camo gas lit me

winter grove
#

Not agri mk9

tall torrent
#

this one

winter grove
#

I immediately thought you misspoke the agri mk8

tall torrent
#

folding stock

faint beacon
#

Yes

winter grove
#

Brauto

#

And then it made less and less sense

frank basin
#

Burst rifle

#

I call the burst rifle

#

Is only one burst rifle

winter grove
#

Vraks3 and agri 9 are both burst

frank basin
#

It is?

winter grove
#

Yea

rigid pilot
#

Yuh

winter grove
#

2 and 3 round burst

frank basin
#

The 3 are 2 round burst?

winter grove
#

Ye

#

I think

#

Wait no

#

Vraks3 is 3 round

#

Green is 2 round

#

I still don't get the point of vraks7

#

It's like mg1a but less viable

tall torrent
winter grove
tall torrent
#

and shoots almost as fast as MG1a

#

it's the best dmr in the game rn

winter grove
#

I did hear you say it's really tax heavy

frank basin
#

I pick 7 make as kinetic dmr

tall torrent
#

240rpm, one taps both gunners, both shotgunners on headshot without crits
crits can 1 headshot both flamers

#

20+ round mag, loads of ammo in reserve

frank basin
#

Mg1a feel like stock weapon in tf

tall torrent
#

point tax heavy but absolutely worth it if u get a good roll

winter grove
#

FATSHARK
BUFF THE MG12 DAMAGE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS 🔥

tall torrent
winter grove
#

If longlas has unattachable scope

#

Then I bet my ass nobody gonna use it

tall torrent
#

nah I want a scope on it

#

give me variable zoom 2~4x

frank basin
#

Make it 12x

winter grove
#

I'd rather have 1.5x

#

But 2x is comfortable too

tall torrent
#

1.5~3x also fine

frank basin
#

Sniper in pve has issue with horde killing

#

Payday 2 has skill make as explosive headshot

winter grove
#

As if every gun in darktide does good horde clear

tall torrent
#

Yea but this is Darktide not space marine 2

winter grove
#

Man I love my best horde clear tool

last parcel
#

graze aced Guarded

winter grove
#

Mg12 infantry lasgun

gilded wraith
#

Do you have your new page handy for the Vraks 7 Cat?

winter grove
#

Heard it somehow has less content than darktide at release

frank basin
#

Sm2 super Mario 2

tall torrent
winter grove
#

God damn

#

Doesn't help that mission briefing screen is literally like darktide

#

Still glad we don't play as space marines in darktide

faint beacon
#

“A space marine would destroy the rejects” mfers when they see an Ogryn stack

austere mica
#

Or just

#

Uncanny

#

or vet in general

faint beacon
#

True

#

Onslaught

tall torrent
austere mica
#

Space marine would destory the rejects people when they see Power Sword, Plasma, Kraks, VoC vet

tall torrent
# winter grove God damn

Granted DT was in a worse state on launch
I literally could not play the game until October last year lol

#

Darktide maps:
The Hourglass

  • Excise Vault
  • Refinery Delta
  • Relay Station
    The Torrent
  • Vigil Station
  • Magistrati Oubliette
  • Silo Cluster
  • Orthus Offensive (special assignment)
    Throneside
  • Enclavum Baross
  • Comms-Plex
  • Archivum Sycorax
    Metalfab 36
  • Consignment Yard
  • Smelter Complex
  • Power Matrix
    Chasm Terminus
  • Hab Dreyko
  • Chasm Station
  • Chasm Logistratum
  • Ascension Riser
    The Carnival
  • Mercantile
  • Warren 6-19
    Interzone Void
  • Clandestium Gloriana

Coming soon:

  • Rolling Steel (operation)
#

21 missions by the next update

winter grove
#

Lmfao

tall torrent
#

But yea DT rn has a lot of maps

#

Even excluding Orthus Offensive which is more of a cinematic mission than a highly replayable one that’ll still be 20 by next patch which is in 5 days

winter grove
#

So a guardsman soloing a daemonhost with a knife only

#

Is canon

tall torrent
#

I think? Rolling Steel will be in Chasm Terminus again

#

That’ll give Chasm Terminus 5 missions if it’s true

slow spade
winter grove
#

True

frank basin
#

am now going try branx pickaxe

marble mantle
#

Is close range 21 meters or am I misremembering

marble mantle
#

Oh okay I don’t know why I thought it was bigger

last parcel
#

somec cloase range bonuses taper off up to lik 40m or whatever so t hat might be why i sould go sleep

final locust
#

i just prefer using my gun

#

I like my power sword, but i'd rather it was two handed

vale ledge
#

All my fellas.

woeful ibex
#

Congrats Soldier

thin stone
#

Yo

sleek garden
final locust
#

What? heavy attacks?

#

I do

#

just, a two handed sword would look cooler