veteran-class

[somber axle]

OH

This is neat

I might be able to sneak in a quick Darktide match before work depending on how quick these end up being

[hard cave]

operation where we save pinned down 21st guardsmen

[somber axle]

The train thing sounds fun too

And some sort of new auspex mini game

The hint at it requiring teamwork sounds like it may not be something you can just leave one person to do and forget it

Maybe like that prison martyr's skull where you have to time the button presses to get past the glitchy jail cell door

[midnight totem]

So what you're saying is... you have it, another vet has it, you're not good at using it, so the team definitely gets use out of the other vet using it

[flint lake]

That area frightened me. It made me genuinely nervous moving through those back rooms.

[somber axle]

I felt awkward trying to coordinate a pug into doing it LOL

Half the time people would already drop down just after the buttons and if even 1 person has pushed down then it wouldn't be worth staying behind to try

[flint lake]

Had a group that was just as curious as I was fortunately. Really loved finding that skull. It felt like a genuine mystery discovering that space.

[midnight totem]

Easy to fix, have a good team lacking of knife zealots

[somber axle]

I had a few initial runs with people when the update was fresh wanting to explore the mysterious new hole in the wall and figure out the puzzle

But I remember the timing being messed up with the door and it getting stuck too tightly closed

It must be a nightmare for people suddenly returning to the game trying to get that one done LOL

[midnight totem]

no doubt

you ever finish hard mode twins?

[somber axle]

Nope! I never got around to doing it

[fathom edge]

what are lasgun BiS blessings?

[faint beacon]

Your combo is one of the best for

headshots

Click on head win

[frank monolith]

Biggest compliment and gamer can get

[faint beacon]

Perk though do Flak/Maniac 25%

Deadly Acc + Headhunter

really good combo

[fathom edge]

on my pysker so id just shred it but, was gonna pick up for the blessings

[faint beacon]

I'd say

Headhunter

if you have to choose from the two

[faint beacon]

I've- yet to get hackusations

Idk if thats a good thing or bad thing

[fathom edge]

i didnt know people did that in this game

[faint beacon]

I've gotten praises for clutches though

[fathom edge]

i usually just get shit for playing the "lazy pysker" while im near solo carrying the auric mael lol

[old prism]

🤨

[frank monolith]

im like 2 rooms ahead and killing the entire room with dog horde with knife and shotgun

[old prism]

you me a vc now

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-26371673

[somber axle]

I am at work LMFAO

I have less and less time to play

[vale ledge]

Is it bad I scream shit like “GIVE THEM STEEL” or “MAKE HELL HOT FOR THEM” whenever a massive horde occurs

[oblique totem]

No, you should do that

[last parcel]

https://youtu.be/43j87Wkp0DE

it’s a good thing

[somber axle]

I have a clown nose on my desk and I honk it if someone dies in a funny way

It's definitely not bad for you to shout enthusiastically about killing things

[vale ledge]

My ass over here bayonet charging the fucking exploder:

I get engrossed in the role of a screaming drill sergeant trying to boost moral in Darktide

Same as when I play Ogryn, I have the innate urge to literally jump infront of pals under extremely heavy fire

Regardless of how low hp is

My duty is to my comrades

Regardless of the risk to my hp

[fading rivet]

Been using the chain sword on my vet since I started playing since I just love the flavor of it, recently grinded out PC III for PS MKVI, and I don’t know if I can go back, I’m just a light spammer so tossing in some specials in there makes me feel like a melee master even though the dodge is no bueno

[somber axle]

Chainsword with Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist feels so good

All that melee attack speed turns you into a living blender through hordes

[midnight totem]

well one day, we'll have to get it done for you

I got almost all the melee weapons in Space Marine 2 to relic level now

thunder hammer sucks, power fist sucks even more (except against single targets), and chainsword is the best (and melee overall feels bad)

[somber axle]

Maybe one day

[fading rivet]

I’m running both rn as I’m working on adept assassin with the Zarona on some shock troop heresy as I’m getting a feel for the play style

Sometimes I just forget I should be shooting specials cause the melee finally feels good on a vet

[somber axle]

I've been mostly running Lawbringer Shotgun and Agni Shock Maul for Signalis vibes because that game hurts

[umbral scaffold]

Time for max cleave

[somber axle]

Shock Maul is too fun

Fav melee weapon

[vale ledge]

The Power Sword literally roleplaying as a lawnmower:

[midnight totem]

one of my favorite playstyles, give it wrath or savage sweep, and then bloodletter for revved hits and it cleans through the elites in a horde too

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/traitor-starwars-gif-22683661

[vale ledge]

Luv me cycle charge

[fading rivet]

I have not tried the shock mail yet, maybe after the patch I’ll grind it out

Maul*

[mental cloud]

What’s the build for that, I’m running shock maul and kantreal shotty on my vet.

[midnight totem]

shock maul is... kinda like the chainsword

a dependable melee useful in all hands

[vale ledge]

Wait so the patch removes gambling with brunt?

[somber axle]

I'd recommend the Agni because the moveset is more comfy and my brain could never wrap itself around the Indignatus moveset

L1 -> H2 loop feels good for wide cleaves through a horde plus if you ever accidentally loop into overheads you can just hit heavy until you see the horizontal sweep then swap back into alternating a light swing to return to horde clear

[fading rivet]

There’s typically too much going on for me to think about melee rotations, that’s why I like the XIIIg CS and now the PS VI cause I can just light spam my way through a horde

[somber axle]

Also feels fun for bonking Crushers and Maulers imo

[midnight totem]

You can say that the Indignatus moveset makes you downright... indignant

[fading rivet]

Devil Sword parry is still my favorite melee play style to handle them

[somber axle]

This is what I've been using

I like how comfy it feels swapping with Always Prepared every other poxwalker kill to quickly reload the Shotgun during intense moments

I also like how addicting 3 hyper buffed Kraks feel into a boss LOL

Shock Mauls have awful Unyielding damage

Lawbringer does ok damage spamming shots into boss weakspots but Kraks are my main way of working around how bad Shock Mauls are vs bosses

The extra attack speed from Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist feels very comfy on the Shock Maul too

[tall torrent]

No there’s still some RNG with weapon stat distribution but since everything goes to 380 u just need to look for ones with good distribution

[somber axle]

You could go down Fire Team and VoC instead to save points and grab Demo Stockpile instead of (or inaddition to) Demo Team if you prefer

I just like having Infil for melee

[tall torrent]

No more “ah shit >70% of the stuff I bought are under 350 rating”

[somber axle]

If someone goes down across the room and I'm in melee I can just vanish and nyoom to the rescue

[mental cloud]

Maaaan you ain’t lying!! Mine is similar

[thin stone]

Name checks out

[somber axle]

Grenadier is too comfy for Krak

Love having the extra in reserve

Oops All Crushers moment in a match turned into Oops Some Crushers

[thin stone]

Krak is based

Chuck two kraks and watch them go boom

[somber axle]

Sometimes you just don't feel like fighting 3 Bulwarks clipping into each other either

[mental cloud]

YUP. Good ole grenadier build, got me through auric exemplar and hopefully ASS soon lol

[thin stone]

Is Survivalist worth it? I feel like the 5 second rule is bad

Considering how most elites come in bunches that need to be killed fast

Like a bajillion shotgunners or maulers at once

[tall torrent]

Depends on ur ranged weapon

It’s still a lot of ammo throughout the course of a mission

But you may not need it

[somber axle]

It's nice to have but not the clear best aura anymore and the pathing to get it is awkward unless you're already going down left tree. If you are going down right side tree I wouldn't worm it up to reach it

[mental cloud]

Paired with shock trooper on my Vld build I feel like I don’t need many pick ups. But I don’t notice not having it on my other builds.

I assume shocktrooper is picking up the slack there honestly.

[somber axle]

Yeah Shock Trooper is doing a lot of the heavy lifting but Surv Aura helps too

[thin stone]

I mainly use Graia Autogun

And Columnus Autogun

[mental cloud]

You running exe stance?

left or right side tree?

I feel like whatever would save you talent points.

And what grenades you like too.

[thin stone]

Voice of Command

On Recon Lasgun VId, do you want Deathspitter + DumDum? Or Infernus + Headhunter

[mental cloud]

I would say yeah get it if you are using kraks/shredders and running VOC. I wanna say the two talents above surv are pretty decent too. That’s a questions for the smart vets in here.

[mental cloud]

Any of those are will work with each other iirc, I run DD & HH.

SNEAKY CAT GOT YOU

[thin stone]

Like Infernus pairs well with headhunter iirc

[somber axle]

I'd say Dum Dum + Headhunter tbh but those are both ok! If you're good at maintaining high stacks of Reciprocity then Deathspitter + Dum Dum is better but if you're not a fan of Recip then Headhunter is a very solid choice to keep Shock Trooper procs consistent

Infernus is a bit less damage vs Dum Dum for most ranges since the change to close damage but it's not THAT much worse on TTK vs most targets so if you like settings things on fire make the heretics burn

Also yeah definitely do Headhunter + Infernus if you like Infernus

[shadow dagger]

what causes the occasional faster reload on iags

[shadow dagger]

so just sprinting at the tail end of the animation

[tall torrent]

Or quick swap

[shadow dagger]

I feel like I do that way too often for how little I see the faster reload

I guess it must be real tight timing

[tall torrent]

It’s a very tight timing

[toxic leaf]

haha what was i saying about objectives yesterday!

[thin stone]

What is reciprocity

[last parcel]

this talent

[thin stone]

Bruh

What is that UwU girl mod

"UwU notice me senpai"

(sorry had to say it)

[idle swallow]

What's the most based melee/ranged combo on vet frfr no cap

[thin socket]

think its just me lately but

I feel every other class is so limited compared to veteran

not nearly as good toughness retention, most other class abilities suck compared to shout, plasma gun is literally the do everything gun

i dunno, the ability to one shot anything kinda helps a ton

and not dying from one mistake does wonders too

[shadow dagger]

shredder + default shovel

frfr

[umbral garnet]

Standard Shovel and Autogun 😎

[topaz lance]

Plasma and VoC are just way overtuned at the moment. Don't worry, the nerf will come.

Next year

[thin stone]

Lol

[oblique totem]

What fresh hell..?

[thin stone]

Same reaction

[somber axle]

Talent near the bottom right side of the Vet tree that gives 5% crit chance per stack up to a max of 5 stacks and 25% crit when you dodge through an attack. It has an 8 sec duration. Things like Ghost and Stripped Down will proc it afaik. It mainly procs off of melee swings but you can also get stacks from dodging non-elite shooters. It's finicky though and doesn't always award a stack or refresh the buff when you might expect it to

It takes time to practice to get used to it but it's pretty strong

Stuff like Headhunter has less value the higher your crit chance. So if you go crit chance weapon perk on the Recon Mk VId, Reciprocity and get the 5% crit talent node and can maintain Recip stacks well throughout a match Headhunter will provide lower value

If you choose not to go crit perk and ignore Recip then Headhunter will be doing a lot of carrying for crit chance to keep Shock Trooper crits rolling with more regularity

It's more of a playstyle thing because some people dislike the conditional aspect of needing to trigger dodges to have reliable crit chance

Vs like just aim head height and Headhunter keeps rolling crits

Plus with how talent tax heavy the Recon Mk VId is for most builds with wanting Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes and Onslaught you may not have the extra talent points to spare and all three of those other talents are higher priority vs Recip imo

[oblique totem]

Thank you for the clarity you bring

[somber axle]

Welcomes I have had an unhealthy obsession with the Recon Mk VId for a long time

[balmy flume]

I know right? Every time I thought I seen everything I remind myself an UwU speak mod exists for Darktide…

[trim steppe]

I've never been more flabbergasted by a mod

[oblique totem]

Somehow this chat is the least degenerate

[trim steppe]

So what's your take, take Headhunter and ignore reci, or go reci and replace HH/Infernus with Deathspitter/Dumdum?

[balmy flume]

Mind you, the least =/= not degenerate

…so I read up on the new mission

I can finally feel like playing a 40k game of a 40k action movie

(Darktide is definitely very 40k game…but not necessarily action movie)

[thin stone]

I see

So you want Deathspitter+ dumdum

[trim steppe]

So reci + DD/DS

is the way to go

Yeah I pretty much always take reci, then just keep going to the left side of that right tree into Weapon Spec. On pretty much every build. Its just too good

[thin socket]

I hope it doesn't and they just make everything else less shit at what they should do

even solo it can't guarantee a win in some scenarios

yeah, I saw that

i think its also VoC with Iron Will that is busted

Iron Will makes veteran incredibly tanky

a gunner doesnt get to just shatter your toughness in one volley with it on, where other classes can kiss 120 toughness goodbye just because

also has absurdly good toughness regen perks in just about every tree

[oblique totem]

Veterans somehow the tankiest class

[thin socket]

i mean

I have 276 toughness, which is also helpfull

[thin stone]

Veteran chad

[oblique totem]

It should be ogryns.

[thin socket]

nah, they just dont get to be

[thin stone]

Bruh

[thin socket]

because no, and no other reason

[oblique totem]

Vets should be best at ranged damage

[thin socket]

They are

[oblique totem]

Only that

[thin socket]

second is ogryns

[oblique totem]

For balance

[thin socket]

nah, just make veterans good at everything

clearly its the favorite

[oblique totem]

I mean, as a vet main, I obviously love being super tough and hard hitting

[tropic notch]

Psyker just kinda does everything

[orchid hemlock]

Vets are best at everything what are you talking about?

[oblique totem]

Four vets is a blast every single time

[thin socket]

I think ogryns should have the most beefiness upfront, and hardest to pin down

[tropic notch]

Depending how you build them

[thin socket]

yes, but worse and slower

[tropic notch]

Literally

[thin socket]

plasma gun is brain burst

but instantly and without penalty

[tropic notch]

[somber axle]

Sorry at work! Had to dip away for a minute. I run with Headhunter/Dum Dum personally but have a love for how fun Infernus is for the visual effect. It all comes down to whether or not you like and can make good use of Reciprocity. If you dislike it then keep Headhunter. If you like Reciprocity then you can ignore Headhunter

[tropic notch]

Uh

[oblique totem]

Plasma gun > psychic powers

[thin socket]

omnissiah wills it

[somber axle]

Reciprocity is strong but benefits more from being an aggressive Frontline fighter

[oblique totem]

Sorry psykers. Pick up a gun, nerds.

[tropic notch]

Those are tools that are both used differently in scenarios

[trim steppe]

That's the only way I play tbh so I always take it

[somber axle]

It has some anti-synergy with stuff like Psyker Bubble and Tauntgryn because you want to keep the danger on you or you'll drop stacks

[trim steppe]

Axe go choppy choppy

[thin stone]

I love being on the front-line

[oblique totem]

I actually really like the plasma gun for sniping.

[tawny badger]

the average gun is far too heavy for a psyker to wield

[somber axle]

But you can keep away from the bubble and Tauntgryn to find other threats on Aurics always

[tropic notch]

Crazy how people won’t run precog and repoist with that and the Weakspot damage perks

Crazy

[thin socket]

plasma gun is also helbore, but better

[oblique totem]

It just. Ignores cover and can one hit most things.

[thin socket]

it doesnt have a draw time, for some fucking reason

[tawny badger]

plasma gun goes through cover?

[thin stone]

Yes

Infinite cleave kek

[thin socket]

helgun has to flip the switch, set, then it can charge a shot

[tropic notch]

Sometimes yeah

[oblique totem]

I can't stand the charge time for the hellbore

[thin socket]

if its hard terrain, no

most terrain it can clip through it

[somber axle]

People dislike conditional effects. Fun is subjective. It differs from person to person. But more importantly what is optimal is not what everyone finds fun. Just because something is the strongest outcome doesn't make it the most desired outcome

[thin stone]

How

[oblique totem]

Combine with exe stance, become the hand of God.

[somber axle]

And what is optimal for one person is not always optimal for everyone

[thin socket]

top off toughness with curios, perks, and toughness reduction

[somber axle]

Very playstyle dependent imo

[thin socket]

you can negate being blown up and not lose hp

tho its not as reliable as just shouting

[thin stone]

Dayum

[somber axle]

The best I can recommend is that things are not that big of a difference and it more so comes down to how you prefer to play

[oblique totem]

To be clear, I don't run plasma gun. I just appreciate what it can do.

[thin stone]

I don't run it either

I happen to have a 371 one tho

[thin socket]

If hellbore didnt have an obnoxious draw time, I'd actually use it

because it looks cool

and feels fun to shoot

[oblique totem]

I run the agripinna autogun and chaunsword

Dakka dakka vroom vroom

[thin stone]

I run Graia Autogun and power sword

[tawny badger]

dear veteran
you do not have to cock the hellbore every time you switch to it you karker

[tropic notch]

Hate the chain sword it has no good movesets

[thin stone]

Agripinaa braced Autogun is also very strong

[oblique totem]

Then it's just a worse version of the infantry lasgun

[tawny badger]

❌

[umbral scaffold]

its alright honestly

[thin stone]

I love MG12 infantry lasgun

[oblique totem]

Chainsword works for me

[tropic notch]

Chain axes are pretty cool but my pick is the knife or mk4 dc

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-we-fed-the-trolls-fish-this-has-gotta-be-bait-dont-feed-the-trolls-gif-4673057485460817879

[thin stone]

How so

[oblique totem]

Whoops

[somber axle]

I like how simple the Mk XIIIg is tbh. You can just spam lights through hordes and alternate pushes/dodges as need. The Mk IV has the really fun push attack thrust that feels really fun when you Rev for a shredder thrust strike

[thin stone]

Oh damn

[tropic notch]

Not even bait after using multiple weapons and seeing what works and what doesn’t that’s what I came up with

[thin stone]

So i should use Columnus mk 5 infantry Autogun

[umbral scaffold]

whats your criterias for "working"

[tropic notch]

Keep in mind if you’re good you can make anything work

[thin stone]

Lol

[thin stone]

Biggest bait

[tropic notch]

To see if can do well in aruic maelstrom

[umbral scaffold]

it does alright

[tropic notch]

[thin stone]

Player skill doesn't matter when you are mediocre like me

[somber axle]

You can run Shredder Autopistol in Auric Damnation quickplays if you want to LOL

[thin stone]

No

[tropic notch]

Yeah but there are other things that do it better sadly

[thin stone]

Stop it

[somber axle]

I've run it before and it is very funny but also you definitely feel how much weaker it is vs other weapons

[thin stone]

Get some help

[tropic notch]

I will say it looks cool

[last parcel]

no

[somber axle]

It's too late for that

The clown costume is on

It doesn't come off

[thin stone]

I'm also a clown

[last parcel]

you can pry this autopistol from my cold exectuioner’s hands

[tropic notch]

I’m a diddy disciple and you’re my next victim

[orchid hemlock]

so I tried the Collumnus 5 for 48 hours, and THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED

[thin stone]

What

[tropic notch]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-oh-well-diddy-shrug-deal-with-it-shrugs-gif-97775874789584377

[somber axle]

Weird question

[tropic notch]

I will expand your walls

[thin stone]

Lol

[somber axle]

If the Shredder Autopistol is the weakest Vet ranged weapon what is the weakest Vet melee option

[thin stone]

I am in your walls

[thin stone]

Standard shovel

I love my Power sword

[tropic notch]

Uhhhhhh any shotgun that’s not the double barrel

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-what-did-any-of-that-mean-gooseworx-glitch-productions-gif-9183334283007840220

[tropic notch]

A white colums mk5 can out dps a god roll shotgun

[last parcel]

none of us can read

[thin stone]

Lol

[tropic notch]

[oblique totem]

Don't scare the clown we need her to explain things

[somber axle]

Is that really the weakest melee option? Even worse than Catachan swords and their weakness to Flak or Chainaxes?

[tropic notch]

Shovel is pretty ok

Standard issue has a good moveset

Not the best special attack

[oblique totem]

I want to say the catachan sword?

[somber axle]

Though tbh it's probably good that the melee weapons are balanced enough that the only complaint I see with any vague regularity is that Catachan swords struggle vs Flak

[tropic notch]

Nay the mk4 dc is undoubtedly the best weapon on vet

[thin stone]

Ouch

Power sword supremacy

[tropic notch]

The awesome mobility and amazing moveset

[oblique totem]

Soon vet will get more melee options

[tropic notch]

Yeah it’s good until you run out of dodges and die then leave

[oblique totem]

I'm excited because I seriously doubt they are properly balanced

[last parcel]

have you tried limbsplitter + all or nothing rashad with skirmisher

sprint and do the one swing then keep using only ranged

[thin stone]

Bruh, it cleaves through hordes so nicely

[winter grove]

Ws for the win then

[tropic notch]

If you play perfectly it’s the best weapon

[orchid hemlock]

Wait who said the shovel is the worst?

[somber axle]

Is that good or bad because I don't toy with the Rashad enough to know LOL

It sounds wrong but I don't know enough to say it is

[thin stone]

Idk

[tropic notch]

Just keep in mind of dodges and build block and sprint on curios and it’s good

[somber axle]

Like Lacerate Knife or Tanner saying Uncanny Knife is wrong

[tropic notch]

But mobility is essential for survival

[thin stone]

Is shovel better if you are noob like me

[tropic notch]

Do i don’t really like the pw

[winter grove]

With or without blessings

[tropic notch]

It’s alright

[thin stone]

Mk7 shovel

[tropic notch]

It’s true I’m a noob

[thin stone]

Then what's the best melee

[tropic notch]

Idk I’ll have to look I can’t remember it off the top of my head

[winter grove]

Rashad/PS6

[thin stone]

I got power sword 6

[winter grove]

Do you have pc4

[thin stone]

Yes

[winter grove]

Then you're set most of the time

[thin stone]

I also have skill issue

Power cycler helps tho

A lot

[tropic notch]

The devils claw mk4, the other knife not the mk3, chain axes, mk6 pw, and the reshad mk uhhh 2? 3? Can’t remember the number

[thin socket]

I try making recon feel good, and it just doesnt

[tropic notch]

Best way to build the pw is BM and pc

[thin socket]

might just be I don't have consistent aim for longterm dps

[thin stone]

What pw

[thin socket]

plasma is instant and I have much more success with it

[winter grove]

Knives and chainaxes are niche

Surely not best

[tropic notch]

The mk6

[tropic notch]

What

[thin socket]

I use shovel as my go to melee, it feels great for hordes and to one shot most things with the pick mode

[tropic notch]

Knifes are literally meta

[radiant chasm]

knife is def the best

[tropic notch]

What is dog smoking

[radiant chasm]

chaxe, yea, they have their ups and downs

[thin socket]

weed

[winter grove]

Up until you meet a horde

Which rashad or ps6 just melts

[radiant chasm]

knife just has a big gap between the average scrub using and building one vs someone who knows the combos and best blessings

[tropic notch]

Uhhhh

[winter grove]

ALONG with crushers

[thin socket]

It's good for crushers

building into rend helps one to two shot them at times

[radiant chasm]

Knife doesn't have fast horde clear but it absolutely clears everything else with some of the best dodges and animation in the game

[winter grove]

I am not denying that mk3 is good against single targets

[lavish token]

The mk3 is better than the 6

[radiant chasm]

special combo or PA combos

[tropic notch]

It clears pretty good especially the new knife

[thin socket]

new knife is fun for hordes

[tropic notch]

Nay

[thin socket]

a little atk speed gets it going and it melts hordes

[lavish token]

It is numerically superior to the mk6 knife

Dps

Special combo is unmatched

[tropic notch]

Yeah because of it’s moveset

[winter grove]

Mk3 Heavy into PA my beloved

[tropic notch]

I prefer the mk6s versatility

[thin socket]

I dunno what it is...ugh

recon just doesnt kill fast enough at times

but its fun running a bullet hose

I hope the rework makes it much more enjoyable and possible

[lavish token]

It’s the lowest ttk weapon in the game

[thin socket]

I have a lot of scuffed guns

[winter grove]

Ever tried HH+fire stacks on mk6 recon?

[thin socket]

I can show you

maybe I'm missing something

[winter grove]

Shredder pistol:

[thin socket]

I remember old autopistol

[lavish token]

Shredder is not faster at killing elites

[thin socket]

thing was so good, then it got turned into shit again

[winter grove]

You said recon is lowest

Well, while shredder is right there

[lavish token]

Lowest time to kill

[winter grove]

At it's rightful bottom

[lavish token]

As in the least amount of time

[winter grove]

Oh wait

I am restarted

[last parcel]

you sacrifice your horde clear just to say “fuck this guy in particular” in possibly the least efficient way

[thin socket]

Autopistol used to be good at killing stuff

[lavish token]

Shredder kills gunners and specialists

[winter grove]

I forgot low ttk = less time to kill

[lavish token]

Rare balanced ranged weapon

[thin socket]

then it became some wimpy stagger machine and thats it

[somber axle]

Good point. That does change things. I'd probably say non-troll set up so with the right blessing combo they need because Knife without Uncanny is awful vs armour and a meme build with Haymaker + Smackdown doesn't really feel representative of the weapon's true potential

[winter grove]

If we're talking no blessings

I could say combat axes kinda shit

[thin socket]

combat axes are decent

[winter grove]

No blessings

[thin socket]

Oh with no bless

[winter grove]

Like straight up grey axe

[thin socket]

poop

[winter grove]

0 cleave gaming

[somber axle]

Grey Rashad is probably the worst feeling weapon in the game yeah

[oblique totem]

Anyone here play classes other than Vet?

I have a question

[somber axle]

No cleave, struggles to kill armour and the only ok selling point is it can stagger well

[orchid hemlock]

No

[last parcel]

i have a legitimate answer

[somber axle]

Yes but no. I have all class penances but I do not play the other classes with any knowledge or mastery to give build recommendations with any confidence LOL

[thin socket]

Best I got for now

[oblique totem]

Uhh. Anyone else?

[tropic notch]

Yeah

[orchid hemlock]

I'm a filthy Zealot "main" 😎

[tropic notch]

I play all

[orchid hemlock]

🤥

[oblique totem]

Basically, of the new melee weapons vet will be getting, how are they? Good? Terrible?

[orchid hemlock]

Heh

[oblique totem]

I never used them so I have no idea

[somber axle]

Dueling Sword is AMAZING and tbh I think it feels like a better Knife. Heavy Sword is apparently insane for horde clear

[tropic notch]

Really good the dueling sword mk4 will be godly

[orchid hemlock]

Let's just say every class will look like this after the patch:

[oblique totem]

I see

[thin socket]

I adore heavy sword

[somber axle]

Heavy Sword is one of the Zealot weapons I didn't play with as much as I should have

[thin socket]

There's nothing more enjoyable than winding up the overhead heavy with it and one shotting mutants and dogs running right at you

[somber axle]

I spent too much time being in love with Thammers LOL

And the Eviscerator

[tropic notch]

With vets Weakspot perk, and precog + repoist it’ll be broken

[thin socket]

also two taps ragers with special alt and overhead

[oblique totem]

I like how the heavy sword looks, I made a zealot specifically to try it out but don't actually like playing zealot all that much so never got that far

[thin socket]

staggers and leaves an easy followup

[tropic notch]

Along with others ofc

[somber axle]

Vet will be eating very good with the new melees

[tropic notch]

And zealot

It’ll be especially broken on zealots

[thin socket]

New thammer buffs and changes might make me play zealot again

[somber axle]

I'm curious how the meta hunter gang will chase breakpoints on the Dueling Sword and Heavy Sword considering how much power Vet gets in the talent tree for melee

[austere mica]

Hsword is a great horde mulcher that annihilates mixed but stops dead on carapace

[oblique totem]

Vet and zealot are like two sides of the same coin.

Except one is insane

[tropic notch]

A crit zealot already messes around at 90% crit chance lol

[oblique totem]

And the other is zealot

[thin socket]

Zealot should have a bit more beef on him imo

if he had a bit more toughness reduction to play with, I'd like it more

[oblique totem]

The scrawniness is a testiment to his zeal

Too bad he's a melee focus with toughness problems

[thin socket]

Alright,time to deep dive in talents to see whats up

I really want recon to be fun

[oblique totem]

Talk to the clown

[thin socket]

meanwhile, vet:

[oblique totem]

She figured out how to make recon instakill

From what I can tell, playing zealot is all about damaging the endless hoards of enemies faster than they can damage you

[thin socket]

hot take, but martyr zealots should take zero chip dmg

[somber axle]

Which variant?

[thin socket]

it is annoyingly detrimental dying to chip while fighting hordes

[thin socket]

6

[oblique totem]

VId

[thin socket]

look above of my one roll, I have another, but it has t3 crit blessing, so I am hunting for a t4 blaze bless to make up for it

think I'm up to 54 rolls now

[oblique totem]

A range focus with insane toughness Regen.

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes, Shock Trooper and Onslaught are the most important things to grab for the Recon Mk VId. Rending is AMAZING for all variants but the Recon Mk VId is the only one to get good value out of Onslaught's brittleness stacking to double down on it

Shock Trooper is to help alleviate ammo concerns and to let you have more time firing between reloads

Unfortunately all three of those talents are deep into the bottom left, bottom middle and bottom right of the talent tree so it makes for a steep talent tax before the weapon begins to really shine

[oblique totem]

How does the talent that puts ammo in your gun for melee kills stack up?

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus + Chink in the Armour for the extra rending would be my must have grab for keystone if I wasn't broke on talent points by the time I pick up the three vital talents first LOL

[oblique totem]

I remember testing it out and found a way to endlessly hack and shoot poxwalkers with never needing to reload

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist is my personal fav for pairing with the Recon Mk VId since the extra firing speed is addictive

It also stacks brittleness from Onslaught faster

[oblique totem]

I'm actually excited for the update but I know full well it will break something until they fix it

[somber axle]

This is what I tend to run with my Recon Mk VId

If you prefer Reciprocity you can drop Close Quarters Kill Zone

If you run Reciprocity you can drop Headhunter from the Recon and pick up Deathspitter instead

[frank ether]

they nerfed its good blessing and then also nerfed the thing into oblivion

Its one of the guns of all time

though you could make it work on zealot

[somber axle]

OH WAIT

The talent tree I linked was wrong my bad

It's missing Onslaught

[thin socket]

No shout?

[frank ether]

I'm excited to pick up the piss filter ult again

[thin socket]

Used to use it on shade zealot a lot

[last parcel]

you can just move the exe points and demo team

[frank ether]

I still use it on zealot, its bad but doesnt really matter on zealot

[thin socket]

las pistol is my pick

also why does kantreal exist

[frank ether]

also works

[thin socket]

acc is just better

[frank ether]

it exists so the 40 year old dad gamer can larp as guardsman

[somber axle]

You can go Voice of Command if you prefer but then you would need to go down Fire Team and Krak to save talent points on the way down

[last parcel]

killzone, exe, relentless, and demo team is 4 points you can swap for 5 tdr, stockpile, voc, and duty and honour to keep the same shell

[somber axle]

Like this! And it saves you the point off Demo Team by grabbing Demo Stockpile on the way down instead + works with Reciprocity and the 5% crit chance talent node

You can swap the 5% crit chance node or Reciprocity to Marksman instead if you prefer but I feel like they're extra necessary for keeping up damage with VoC

Between the two I'd say Recip is more valuable vs the 5% crit node and I'd probably run Marksman over the 5% crit node instead

[thin socket]

I am hit or miss on demo team

[somber axle]

But if you don't like Recip gameplay swap it off for Marksman

[thin socket]

its good on stuff with ass tons of elites tho

[tropic notch]

It’s good especially in auric malestrom

[thin socket]

oh for sure

[tropic notch]

Think about how many specials and elites you kill and such

Then again I take field imporv over it

[somber axle]

I prefer Demo Team because I don't use my grenades often enough for Stockpile to be ticking constantly and I dislike the feeling of being at cap on reserve grenades knowing I am wasting value on Stockpile by not using one even when there's no need to

It's just clown mental gymnastics for why I have a preference LOL

Stockpile is definitely better in most cases

It's just deviating too much away from Surv Aura and Exe Stance to justify for my usual go to build

[thin socket]

any reason to not take superior or bring it down?

[somber axle]

I plan on swapping Kill Zone to Opening Salvo when Unlocked and Loaded drops to buff it to +10% crit chance for the first 20% of a clip

[thin socket]

more dmg to elites and ogryns/monsters seems helpful

[somber axle]

Not affordable for the build with the steep talent tax and I feel the other talents taken are much higher priority

[thin socket]

god do I wish skirmisher and trench fighter swapped positions

[somber axle]

Marksman is more damage vs Superiority Complex and with how often VoC can be used with Tactical Awareness you get pretty strong uptime with it

I agree 100% ohmygosh

Skirmisher is ugh but it's the best path to Weapon Specialist from Onslaught

[last parcel]

damn fatshark for trying to keep the sides thematically appropriate

https://tenor.com/view/damn-you-skeletor-gif-11747628

[oblique totem]

This is why I grenade spam so I never waste a free grenade

[oblique totem]

My pain in a single sentence

[somber axle]

I usually use my Shredder grenades defensively like creating space vs a horde of 8 Ragers in my face or pushing enemies off a downed teammate to use the stagger for a rescue. Sometimes I just go long stretches without feeling the need to use them

Kraks go out whenever groups of Bulwarks/Crushers walk in and I want to thin the herd a bit or for chain stunning bosses

[oblique totem]

Woe, 20 ragers upon ye

[somber axle]

I use Kraks a LOT more but then that would be a slight talent tax to eat before going left tree and that loss of 1 point would hurt LOL

Plus Krak without Grenadier always feels like it doesn't feel so good

Krak Tinkerer Grenadier Bring It Down Demo Team my beloved

[oblique totem]

That would turn Krak grenades into boss killers

[junior haven]

as i chase the penance, im begrudingly coming to accept knives on zealot.

[tall torrent]

Point economy concerns

And some weapons don’t need superiority complex to hit breakpoints

[junior haven]

that last bit felt personal

[tawny badger]

demolition stockpile my beloved

[torn depot]

Which range weapon goes best with smoke grenades and a chainsword? I'm considering a boltgun

[tall torrent]

Revolver / laspistol

Since you’re probably going for a melee build with smoke grenade pathing

[torn depot]

Range specialist branch

[somber axle]

If you like worms Exe Stance feels very fun to use with Smoke Grenades and the Infantry Lasguns are my go to for that

But worms are bad

Chainsword, Smokes and Infantry Lasguns all struggle vs Crushers too which is painful

Maybe Helbore...

[frank ether]

chainsword is a weapon I don't understand

On paper its like everything I'd like in a melee but completely falls apart in practice

[somber axle]

Chainsword Mk XIIIg is just spam lights through a horde with Wrath and Rampage or Shred and only rev for biting into elites, specials and bosses with exception to Crushers and feels wild with even a little melee attack speed

Very fun

Chainsword go brrrrr into Bulwark skulls

And you get the funny rev attack on charging muties as they run past for that funny samurai kill where they suddenly stop after charging past you then fall over dead LOL

so satisfying

[blazing notch]

still new and getting the hang of things. Is a Catachan Mk III Combat Blade w/ 369 rating, and +25% Unyielding good off rip? vendor is selling it

haven't actually used any of the combat knives yet. besides random ones from when I was levelling

[mortal orbit]

Wots the damage, bruv

Not gonn want a 369 with 30 damage, bruv

[blazing notch]

80% Damage, 70% Finesse, 71% First Target, 76% Mobility, 71% Penetration

[tall torrent]

What does ur tree look like

[torn depot]

Right only

[mortal orbit]

Pick it up man, have fun with it. @blazing notch

Dont change it. 369 is a legendary number.

3 legendary numbers, in fact.

[blazing notch]

Figured I may as well, I've been grabbing weapons with decent rolls even if I don't really use them often lol

I should have mentioned that 369 is the base rating

its a 394 bc of that unyielding perk

I would post pic but can't in this channel lol

[last parcel]

you just gotta talk a bit more until they turn you red

[oblique totem]

Samurai duel kills my beloved

[orchid hemlock]

The only class in the game I would unironically use a chainsword is Zealot.

I just can't stand having to wait 3 seconds to take out 40% of a Crushers health bar

[torn depot]

so what melee weapon to use for veteran with smoke grenades?

[orchid hemlock]

does it have to be smoke grenades? I'm confused

what are you going for?

[torn depot]

penance completion

[tall torrent]

You can use any u want ig

But ideally something that deals with carapace well

[orchid hemlock]

tbh at that point any weapon is fine on the right side, but just make sure you have something like a revolver to deal with armored targets

tbh tho, right side is more of a speed running objective build because Vet Stealth is extremly good at doing investigate missions

I would use either a knife or Rashad, because both of those love getting those buffs on the WS part of the tree

hell, you can even just do a regular VOC build after you take the smokes

[terse idol]

The unyielding is meh imo

[terse idol]

The 76 mobility sucks

But the numbers are okay

This is aall in consideration for the item rework coming very soooon

[tawny badger]

I think this is the closest I've been to conking out

[trim steppe]

I wanna strip this before patch day cuz its my only missing T4, but goddamn, that stat roll...

[frank basin]

Keep it we’ll see how the crafting update like

[trim steppe]

Yeah I should be able to sack a few crummy oranges to make up the mastery (hopefully)

[blazing notch]

dont all the stats max out at 80%? that doesn't sound too bad unless that weap is very dependent on mobility

[terse idol]

All stats max out at 80, but there's a maximum amount of stats that will max out

This iss the case for the crafting rework

[blazing notch]

that did not know

[trim steppe]

Yes but you only get 380 points, so 4 can max at 80 and the last caps out at 60

[blazing notch]

ahh i see

[terse idol]

You'll have ALL stats equal to the maximum value, and 1 of the values will be at minimum 60

[trim steppe]

so and ideal weapon is a 380 with 60 mobility

[terse idol]

Yuhhh

so in your case

With a 76% mobility

[blazing notch]

I have a high roll in something that should be a dump stat

[terse idol]

That one WILl probably have the potential to max out at 80

At the deficit of

One of the other stats being unable to be maxed at 80

[blazing notch]

😔

[trim steppe]

Your roll is perfectly fine, all your damage rolls are over 70. It's not a perfect godroll but it is still a very good roll

[blazing notch]

Yeah it should be a decent place to start when I mess around with knives.

[trim steppe]

If you want to hunt for a perfect unicorn then 76% mobility is stealing 16 points from damage rolls, but that matters very little tbh

[blazing notch]

I played Destiny 2 for 3 years, i know unicorns don't exist unless you are willing to spend an obscene amount of time and resources for it lol

and even then, might never land it until you burn out

[frank basin]

And warframe?

Majority grindy game are time and patience, it testing your patience

I didn’t have much patience after feeling burn out from grinds

[hard cave]

how do I make the ia lasgun good

[frank basin]

Deadly accurate and headhunter are good (I see you like monotone blue)

[proud marsh]

Fatshark really put "made to combat snipers" in the description of the Vraks headhunter, and then just never gave it a scope

[austere mica]

Scopes are genuinely detrimental in this game

[proud marsh]

"I don't care if you're up to your asscheeks in enemies, your broke ass is using irons"

At least give a reject a reflex sight

Something with a sight picture that isn't dogwater

[austere mica]

Not in my imperium

If you want it so bad there’s a mod for it

Even has scopes

(They are a bit fucky)

[proud marsh]

Yeah, but I have to use my gaming laptop for it

https://tenor.com/view/burning-elf-elf-light-fire-looking-into-light-gif-21174314

^ me after playing on standard settings for 15 minutes

[grand perch]

i tried vraks VII with scope, stopped using them quickly after novelty wore off

[azure stream]

I just noticed they changed power to strength on Marksman

it it a typo or does the node have a different mechanic now?

[last parcel]

typo afaik

[azure stream]

hmmm. to the psykhanium

[mortal orbit]

Dont fix over a max overall, make sure the main three are solid and ull keep up. I got a las x with crap stability locked at a 350 overall but the rolls are so good it feels godly. + reduce sway perk goes hard w/it

Ur build can cover alot of holes. But you will go broke going for certain weapons

[blazing notch]

dude i need sway (or flinch? suppression?) so bad when I run my lasgun Ia. any time I am trying to kill a gunner who is shooting at me my reticle goes to space

[mortal orbit]

Position yourself b4 u face them up.

[azure stream]

think it may be a typo

[mortal orbit]

I used to make that same mistake of trying to hab solo the storm troopers. Nah buddy

Gunners dont play

And shredder grenades

[last parcel]

yeah that's suppression. you can use executioner's stance ability or determined talent below it to get suppression resist

[blazing notch]

Idk if its a perk, or blessing, or whatever that does it, but it is a huge issue honestly in higher tier difficulty because I need to be able to put them down quickly, especially if they are shredding my teammates

Suppression resist. need to figure out all the spots I can get it lol

[flat crypt]

determined is the way to go then

[last parcel]

for reference that's this one

[mortal orbit]

U got the right mind set tho. Alot of vets will go blind to shotgunners, gunners and let them advance but use cover. Dead shot? I think reduces sway and if u have spare grenades to stagger a pack b4 they get off a salvo theyre alot easier to deal with + reduces the ttk of dealing with them

[blazing notch]

I'm not on my Vet right now and I don't remember the names of the abilities, but right now i've been using the little AOE stun that refreshes toughness for everyone and rezzes teammates. I may have to lean back into the gunplay side

[last parcel]

voice of command

[blazing notch]

Because Zealot has an equialent ability that is better imo

with the little cross

[flat crypt]

If you want to keep using VoC then determined is indeed the answer for your problem

Or you might want to try helbores, they are quite resistant to suppression or damn near immune to it when charging up shots

[grand perch]

They are indeed immune

It's the spirit of Krieg guardsman, banishing all fear from incoming fire

[flat crypt]

happy muffled gas-mask noises

[somber axle]

Helbores, Laspistols and Shotguns are all suppression immune

Oh and Plasma

[frank basin]

Plasma instant vaporize gunners

[flat crypt]

huh, 1k+ hours in and haven't noticed that laspistols are also immune 😅

[frank basin]

No need stand for 2 second charge up shot

I’ll use recon against gunner

Gunner vs gunner

[last parcel]

can't forget about shredder autopistol, the best counter fire gun

[frank basin]

It stagger enemy right? Against gunner and shotgunner?

[somber axle]

this brought horrible memories of me with the shredder falling into an auric quickplay high intensity vent purge sniper gauntlet and finding my team of purgatus staff psyker, rumbler Ogryn and a Zealot who was also using the shredder

it was an awful time

LMFAO

[frank basin]

Rumbler is funny

[somber axle]

no one could hurt the snipers

[frank basin]

If the psyker has BB it make decent killing

On sniper

[somber axle]

they did not

[frank basin]

Too busy trash killing then

[somber axle]

they were Shriek I think because they never used BB or Assail

[frank basin]

Shriek purgatus kinda wild

[somber axle]

I have no idea what he was doing other than screaming and dying

[last parcel]

it sounds like a simple life

[somber axle]

worst memory is staring at a sniper line across the map knowing no one can hit it and we have to break dance into borderline melee range before anyone can hurt it

[frank basin]

Multiple sniper and pack of crusher; good luck

[somber axle]

nah crushers were ok because I ran the funny Exe Stance Onslaught Rending Strikes Shredder Autopistol meme build

dinky pistol melts Crusher faces off

[frank basin]

Oh isn’t your auto pistol can snipe the sniper?

[somber axle]

no

I remember trying to spray at a sniper and seeing it do actually nothing LOL

[frank basin]

How far by meter

[somber axle]

over long distances the spread makes it worthless

[frank basin]

If you ping the sniper how far it is?

[somber axle]

like the DBS it's really more of a flashy melee weapon

tbh idk how far it was, but definitely far enough that spraying the entire clip at the sniper didn't do anything LOL

even with Exe Stance

[frank basin]

If is like 60m is too far

Ogryn can launch the rumbler like Bosnia artillery

Your teammate can be ignoring the threat level

That’s be issue

If I in your game using my main loadout I can’t deal sniper with graia brauto and shredder grenade

[earnest bone]

I've managed to use Zarona mk2 and Lasgun VId/VIIa without supression immunity just fine, just need to paid more attention. Zarona in super rare cases could be annoying, but manageable and 1 point is 1 point.

https://tenor.com/view/tbi-points-gif-25196316

[umbral flame]

can I ahve the meme build

these little guys need a build

[flat crypt]

Yeah, pretty much never need it if you just keep your wits about you aka don't get caught in the open with your pants down

[earnest bone]

caught in the open with your pants down
Chastise Zealot moments

[somber axle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1244330231456727121/image.png?ex=66ee4f15&is=66ecfd95&hm=0ec64f741b97c75f745987203bc25fca513bc8e2df1540d5d8167a11e45b1be8&

this is the old build I found from reverse searching my chat history

[flat crypt]

zealots be like "who needs pants"

[somber axle]

but tbh you could probably drop Deadshot and grab Demo Team instead

don't go Longshot and Exhil

[last parcel]

truly a meme

[somber axle]

it was a dumb meme LMFAO

go Close Quarters Drill + Confirmed Kill or go Out for Blood + Vanguard

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1244328674338013276/image.png?ex=66ee4da2&is=66ecfc22&hm=9c460e52cd738d3e56ade7c8e42109bbd95ec283a302c35b0876ec918dc3e621&

I ended up changing Flak to Carapace for funnier TTK on Crushers LMFAO

[umbral flame]

thanks

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

I did run it through some successful Auric Damnation matches so it at least performed ok there LOL

Even with the dumb Longshot/Exhil Takedown set up

but don't do that

ignore those two talents if you use the build and pick one of the other toughness options for sure

[blazing notch]

hey all, could anyone tell me what Deadshot's "Ranged Weapon's alternate fire" is? Is that just aiming? if so not sure why it is not just called aiming lol

Trying to build up some more crit chance and seeing what that perk is about

[remote idol]

It's just aiming

[blazing notch]

thats so weird it would say it like that

but thank you!

[flat crypt]

well, for example bracing isn't technically aiming 😛

[remote idol]

It's still hip-firing, indeed.

[blazing notch]

yeah true, for those braced rifles

and I guess for plasma gun?

[remote idol]

For plasma, it's a charged shoot
But, dont use it, just spam the basic shoot

[blazing notch]

Ahh so wouldn't want deadshot if I was using a Plasma Gun. Interesting

Hey, im red!

😎

[frank basin]

welcome to the club

[blazing notch]

still have the damn green flower though

[frank basin]

it does not matter

[flat crypt]

don't worry, it will wither and die

[frank basin]

i actually wanna go try brauto and deadshot

oh yeah that eat all stamina fast

(i meant the graia one)

[flat crypt]

3x +3 stamina curios and good to go

[frank basin]

i did

[somber axle]

Deadshot doesn't work with Plasma iirc

It's been bugged since forever

Charged Shot can be fun for one shotting Crushers and Bulwarks with the right build but usually you can just spam 2-3 light shots to kill them instead

and there's a funny build that can one shot a Bulwark through their shield using the charged shot

[flat crypt]

and then duck n dive talent + stripped down blessing

[frank basin]

stripped down for sprinting

[flat crypt]

yep

[frank basin]

i doesn't do much

just beside immune ranged

[flat crypt]

and with that + duck and dive you got infinite stamina while running

so your dead shot is fully charged at all times

or at least after short sprint if enemies are shooting at you

[frank basin]

Get back in the fight

that do refill stamina on zero toughness

[blazing notch]

well i just did my first damnation and it went well, but it made me realize I need to have much more punch for harder enemies when my krak grenades aren't up, and most enemies are just dealt with using melee anyways

So i was thinking about trying to have more punch on the big guys, cause using the lasgun on everything just takes so long

[flat crypt]

true, but the first rule of warfare is not to get hit ;D

but yea, that's always a solid choice

for overall survivability

[remote idol]

I couldn't give more advice than that, I have a rather biased vision lately since I only play laser weapons and I'm happy about it, back to basics.
You always have the option of going beyond ballistics: Colomnus Mk5 or Agri Mk1, my heart goes to the Graia but it's stuck between two chairs and no one really recommends it. And I'm talking about assault rifles here.

[flat crypt]

for more punch marksmans focus build with agri shotty (my beloved)

[blazing notch]

Agri Mk1 is goated. full stop.

[remote idol]

Shotgun are fun too

[topaz lance]

Probably still my overall favorite ranged weapon in the game. Will build with Exe Stance and WS after the update.
After I try the double barrel with the same setup that is.

[blazing notch]

just 2 manned a hi-intensity difficulty 4 ascension riser mission with this new plasma gun. holy shit was very hard but very fun.

[golden moat]

Finally got my veteran to level 30 today. My first level 30. Public lobbies are a pain.

[frank basin]

Congratulation

[blazing notch]

Lol, once you start doing diff 4s people start getting a comfortable level of competent, in my experience. But yeah 3 and below you'll either get great players or awful. Sometimes we gotta wonder if *we *are someone else's great teammates or terrible ones

[frank basin]

Try auric see if is help

I met sweaties player on auric

[golden moat]

I tried damnation when my vet was level 28 and got absolutely destroyed

[frank basin]

My friend level 27 got ass destroyed on heresy

I took down to malice

Queue on malice is slow and low level there

Heresy has decent and high max level

[remote idol]

Not always, I had some very bad surprises, even in Damnation, where players couldn't understand the fact that they had to switch to the melee weapon, even when stuck in a pile of mobs.
All while getting cut up. It's even worse when you discover that this kind of player comes empty-handed in Auric Maelstrom.

[golden moat]

Or you spawn in half health and its total chaos and your like. This is fine.

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/to-earn-the-right-to-work-right-to-work-earn-the-right-to-work-the-fine-print-fine-print-gif-9576040394118700442

Every match making

[golden moat]

What annoys me is sometimes you always get that one guy that sprints off and then moans when they get grabbed and you like "bruh you're miles away"

[frank basin]

That’s zealot

Zealot with knifes

Or psyker with knife too

[golden moat]

I hate them because it fucks the entire team

[frank basin]

It happen

Not all time don’t worry

Only one life time

1/100

[delicate hornet]

tends to happen less in auric as people arent typically there trying to speedrun for materials or contracts

[blazing notch]

I've only had 1 teammate that stands out in my memory for being so bad that I was like, why are you queueing tier 4 right now? he was that guy who never sprints, either is ALWAYS ranged or ALWAYS melee, and holds onto his ult the entire game waiting for the chance to clutch up and make his ult a big play lol

[golden moat]

now level 30 should I bother with trying to find a better gun via brunts armoury or try and roll the dice on missions giving me good loot?

[blazing notch]

my favorite type of blueberry is the ones who melee 100% of the time on Veteran, and also never dodge 🥲

[frank basin]

Get brunt armory weapon need stock pile the dockets

[delicate hornet]

yeah your weapon rolls are gonna be more powerful now youre max level

[frank basin]

Focus on one weapon you’re investing

[blazing notch]

you'll be around for a while waiting for missions lol

There are better people than me here to advise you on this but for me it was spending a shitload at Brunts and checking the shops after each mission for a decent roll or a good curio

[remote idol]

Just play your Vet, next patch will change everything on blessing and weapon.

[golden moat]

I want a good plasma rifle and chain sword because right now the damage and stopping power sucks

[frank basin]

6 more day lad

Just 6 more day

[blazing notch]

have you used the plasma gun yet? some people are not a fan of its micro-management

[frank basin]

Heats management

[blazing notch]

I like it though, just feels like how I had to play around the perks on my guns in Destiny

[delicate hornet]

plasma gun clears, its not exactly micro-management if you spam the regular attacks instead of charging

[golden moat]

I like it but I only wip it out on the elites or when people arn't concentrating on the snipers which normally downs them well. Other times i'm protecting the psyker with the chain sword with the mobs.

[frank basin]

Leave psyker do their own rather protecting them

[blazing notch]

Yeah I tried a plasma gun when I first unlocked it and now I've tried a newer one with a good Thermal Resistance stat and it is night and day. When I first tried it, it was like 6 shots to 100%. Now I can nearly spam the thing

[frank basin]

Just kill high threat target

[delicate hornet]

thats how youre typically meant to play it, plasma for elites/specials and melee for everything else

[frank basin]

Sniper are easily take out with plasma light attack

One tap they gone

[golden moat]

I use the vet for like elite assistance and chain saw for mobs and now doing a second character of a zealot for mob support.

[frank basin]

Zealot knife bleed crit reduction and the book is funny on horde

I did that

[golden moat]

I only wish with the mutant bosses the plasma rifle did more damage when charged on them.

the amount of times i've charged it and fire and they'll be "that was a tickle, ima swallow you whole now"

[frank basin]

You only do 3k dmg on max heat charge

[delicate hornet]

taking the +25% Unyielding damage perk on a plasmagun and some skills for boss damage helps a lot with this

[frank basin]

Exe stance double it up

[delicate hornet]

also charge attacks on plasma just kinda suck so m1 spam is usually the way to go other than an opening shot

[frank basin]

500 per 10 heats or 8 idk does more total than charge up attack

[blazing notch]

Until I just tried this plasma gun kit I really preferred my Zealot. It felt much easier on Zealot to have a high impact on team performance with good trash clear and that AOE stun + toughness overflow + invulnerability ult.

was previously "stuck" on veteran becaue my friends who play are Psykers, zealots, ogryn, etc. But now I actually like the little dance you do with the Plasma gun in exchange for its great performance

[frank basin]

500 dmg add up to max heat probably 4k-5k dmg

Could be beyond charged attack

[golden moat]

Yeah I need to visit brunts armory I think to try and roll a better plasma gun and chain sword as I am still using this heresy.

now i'm level 30

[delicate hornet]

unless youre a fan of grinding i wouldnt worry about getting god rolls for weapons as the update next week should really help with crafting weapons

[frank basin]

Buy new one

As placeholder

[delicate hornet]

but buying a couple plasma guns to hope for a better roll than 299 isnt gonna hurt haha

[frank basin]

It cost 1369 dockets only

Or 2345 something

[delicate hornet]

theyre more than that at max level

somewhere around 10k

[blazing notch]

a new plasma gun would be pretty huge for you rn, max rating for base stats is I think 380? so you could get like a 350 roll even and be fine (I mean you could be fine with lower but depends what diff you like to play on)

[delicate hornet]

issue being next week all weapons will be theoretically upgradable to 380 so id say just find a decent roll and stick with that till thursday

[blazing notch]

can assure you they are not 1369 lol

[golden moat]

I am doing a only a few heresy as lobbies sucked and was going back to malice to help out in the public lobbies to help people level up their low level characters.

[blazing notch]

yeah im excited for this

[blazing notch]

helping randos level up their characters?

[golden moat]

Yeh

[blazing notch]

your altruism must have its limits sir

[golden moat]

It's been pushed for sure

[frank basin]

Just hop on heresy try the swing

[blazing notch]

😂

[golden moat]

I'm not going to lie the cold wind of chaos has been tempted at times

[delicate hornet]

when i was starting out i found heresy more difficult than damnation to get completions on, which i can only guess was down to the people queueing

[golden moat]

What I find difficult in random lobbies is people choose missions with the hound spams

[delicate hornet]

thats just something youll learn how to deal with over time, multitarget weapons and AoE damage tends to stop hound packs really quickly

[frank basin]

Free ammo

[delicate hornet]

trick ive found is to try and get them to come through a chokepoint because life becomes annoying once they spread out

[blazing notch]

if you go zealot just throw down an immolation grenade when the groups of hounds come on higher difficulties, they'll just burn off you even if they jump on you without any allies needing to help lol

[frank basin]

I kill so many with one swing as ogryn with BM slab club at the stair

I standing side at the stair an easy kill

[delicate hornet]

specifically for veteran, shredder frags are very reliable at taking down packs provided you time them right

camping a chokepoint with melee also works

[blazing notch]

I am romantically attached to my krak nades at this point

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/ripbozo-packwatch-rip-bozo-pack-watch-smoking-smoke-gif-25173473

Me nade

[delicate hornet]

except from some niche maelstrom modifiers ive always seen kraks as a stopgap for a loadout or build that cant deal with armour on its own

[frank basin]

Frag nade the stagger

[delicate hornet]

shredders typically have much greater utility

[frank basin]

Smoke nade the invisible (to ranged enemies)

[frank ether]

kraks are good

[frank basin]

For boss

Single target high HP

[frank ether]

boss, carapace, bulwark

[frank basin]

A clutter carapace is a satisfying kill

[frank ether]

It routinely multikills those enemies when they are packed

[blazing notch]

Now that I'm on a plasma gun I may be able to use another nade, but man. I love these things. Focus Target, Focused Fire, Grenade Tinkerer, and Field Improvisation turns you into a grenade machine

[delicate hornet]

kraks and plasma overlap in their rolls so its not ideal

[frank basin]

Demolition stockpile

[thin stone]

what are the perks of choice for VId Lasgun?

[frank basin]

head hunter and dumdum

[blazing notch]

Yeah I just started using a plasma so sadly I may be saying goodbye to one or the other 😦

[frank basin]

Oh perk

[thin stone]

perks

[frank basin]

Is unarmored and flak

Nah not unarmored

Flak

[thin stone]

Also I am pretty sure it's deathspitter + dumdum

[delicate hornet]

+5% crit chance and then either carapace or flak

[thin stone]

ohk

[frank basin]

I did mention flak

[thin stone]

but carapace damage on VId lasgun is very meh iirc

or maybe I am wrong

[frank basin]

Onslaught talent

[delicate hornet]

run +carapace with onslaught and you will melt crushers

[thin stone]

I see

[frank basin]

I have onslaught with brauto graia and it kill good

[somber axle]

If you run Onslaught, Rending Strikes and +Carapace as a perk you can melt Crusher faces off very effectively

[blazing notch]

what is the consensus on the Rashad Mk II?

[thin stone]

I was just going to ping you as I remember you as the VId expert lol

[frank basin]

Bonus with dead shot 🧌

[somber axle]

Without Onslaught and Rending Strikes the damage is very eh

you need the rending too

[thin stone]

can you please guide me for the perks + blessings

[thin stone]

ohk

[delicate hornet]

it has the potential to be godly but is very difficult to craft for certain breakpoints

[frank basin]

Headhunter and dumdum you score headshot on big ass head ogryn

That HH proc crits a lot with high rof

[thin stone]

@somber axle may I DM you? I can't post my weapon images here yet because no red 🥲

[delicate hornet]

you typically build the VId for high critchance and so the boost to critchance you get from HH is minimal due to the way crits reset HH stacks

[frank basin]

Ik

You proc a lot crits on high rof

[delicate hornet]

HH is better if your build has lower critchance by default

[golden moat]

my fourth roll with brunts armoury

not bad I think

[thin stone]

WTF

NICE

[frank basin]

Very good one

[delicate hornet]

this is a very very good plasma roll

[frank basin]

Save it

[blazing notch]

noice.

That one without any perks is going to clear your 299 lol

[thin stone]

I got something similar but I can't post it

[delicate hornet]

rip

[frank basin]

VId Recon low crits chance with HH

Sort can use

Just extra dmg from critting

[somber axle]

For the Recon Mk VId

Deathspitter + Dum Dum (With Reciprocity Talent)
Headhunter + Dum Dum (Without Reciprocity Talent)
Headhunter + Infernus

go with one of these but the first and second generally output more damage at most ranges and Infernus is more for funsies but it lags behind a bit (which doesn't noticeably affect TTK on most targets but will become noticeable fighting multiple beefy targets like 3+ Bulwarks, 3+ Crushers, etc) and Infernus needs time to stack to get benefit so it's providing little value vs weaker targets like Snipers or Bombers

Carapace, Crit Chance, Unyielding are all solid perk options depending on what you want to do. You can kill bosses surprisingly fast if you set up your talent tree for it and get Unyielding as icing on the cake but imo most targets die pretty quick so Carapace and Unyielding or Crit Chance will benefit you most. Flak or Maniac are ok but don't do nearly as much since even Maulers get shredded pretty quick by Rending Strikes + Onslaught under sustained fire

[frank basin]

Didn’t the califlower cat said infernus bad?

Or was it plush?

[delicate hornet]

infernus is sub optimal but is fun setting crap on fire

[somber axle]

It definitely falls behind at most ranges after the change to close range damage but it's still funny imo

and not bad to have

[frank basin]

I only have my VId locked stripped down

[thin stone]

I got 25 manic and 25 carapace right now on my roll, which one should I change? I got tier 4 dumdum and tier 3 headhunter

[somber axle]

not like sustained fire or punishing salvo because both of those are awful

[frank basin]

It think keep the perk and try test in meat grinder

[somber axle]

Yeah basically this!

less damage but very fun visual effect and it is still more damage and helps more on bosses

[delicate hornet]

but what if i want to fire the laser hose in puny bursts for less dps and carpal tunnel

[frank basin]

Stab yourself with combat stim

[somber axle]

you'd get more value out of other blessings but I wouldn't nad haven't tossed out some Recon Mk VIds I've rolled with Infernus/Headhunter

[frank basin]

That make more dmg optimial

[golden moat]

What is good stats for a chain sword?

[frank basin]

Cleave

[somber axle]

Kantrael Mk IV with Weapon Specialist! I have been playing with that a lot more recently and it's really fun LOL

[frank basin]

Cleave target something

[frank basin]

Good stats

[rigid pilot]

Nice mobility

[golden moat]

not sure on the mobility

[frank basin]

Mobility is a dumpstats

[delicate hornet]

sadly probably dumped mobility to the point youre losing dodge number

which is not good

[golden moat]

or this one

[frank basin]

This one okay

Shredder lost a bit dmg

[somber axle]

keep this for the update because when you can upgrade it you'll get all the stats to 80% and mobility will climb to get you the missing dodge too

[frank basin]

But you don’t use rev much

Except on muttie

[thin stone]

@somber axle can you check dms please? I sent you the image of my VId roll atm

[somber axle]

I'd probably use this one over the other for now if you don't want to wait for the update

[frank basin]

The XIIIg are cc spam light attack which I use

That one if i remember is stick on enemy each light swing attack

[golden moat]

going to keep the first one as does abit more equal stats

I feel

[frank basin]

Heavy attack are vanguard as CC

for that you had

[blazing notch]

general question, is there really a point to heavy attack besides being able to more easily control the direction for weapons with the same light attack as heavy attack such as this weapon? I know the animation could be different and therein could have a better swing pattern, but is that it? only heavy attack on these weapons for the better swing pattern?

[surreal hatch]

In the weapons loadout menu, there will be a button for inspecting it. You can then mouseover things and see numbers

And a further deeper menu where you can inspect different properties of the attacks

[blazing notch]

Ahh, gotcha

[surreal hatch]

The most important thing thats missing from that menu is cleave/target piercing

That you'll just have to test yourself to compare heavy/light attacks

[frank ether]

got dis from melk

[frank basin]

Gg

[frank ether]

this will be nutty next patch with exe buffs