veteran-class

[dawn garnet]

infernus dumdum flak crit is more of a psyker thing

but idk i think it would still work on vet

[thin stone]

ayo

[dawn garnet]

id stick with the guide over what i said

[thin stone]

ok

[dawn garnet]

the online version is updated the pdf isnt

[thin stone]

send online version

ok found it, ms word link

thanks

[junior needle]

Infernus is still very mid even in its single best use case (6d)

[thin stone]

ok

[junior needle]

You can use it if you like it. It's unclear how much practical benefit headhunter provides but I'd at least take a 5% crit perk and the 5% crit node if you intend to go infernus.

[dawn garnet]

me everytime i wanna read the guide

[thin stone]

@dawn garnet the online version to which the link is provided is weird

there is same page again and again

[dawn garnet]

its still being worked on

its one of the most detailed class guides there is

[thin stone]

No I mean it's not opening correctly

[dawn garnet]

🤔 try exporting it to pdf

[thin stone]

ok

nvm the internet is ass right now because of rain

[thorny girder]

What build?

[dawn garnet]

regardless of builds it has a lot of useful info

[thorny girder]

What build is it?

Nvm

I answered my own question after I looked at lins

Pins

[raven notch]

Wish the vet guide was as good as the Psyker one

[slow spade]

Smh the Emperor guides

Is that not enough

[radiant chasm]

more ammo efficiency with shocktroop, less overall damage, besides unyielding at more than 12.5 m away which headhunter infernus will outpace

[idle pecan]

What's a good gun that can horde clear and kill large enemies

I've been using the columnus

[raven notch]

Recon 6D

[junior needle]

Just to note, less overall damage also means less ammo efficiency.

Az says he was getting about 3-5% higher crit rate overall with headhunter vs without, and assuming that is accurate then it's very little in practice (a 5% crit perk alone translates to about 9.5% unconditional crit chance due to strings)

However that's anecdotal and contaminated evidence

So take it with a grain of salt

[orchid hemlock]

@radiant chasm

[uncut pebble]

Hungry little guy.

[thorny girder]

I wanna make a kriegsman vet build

Now the question is how can I do that....?

[raven notch]

Hellbore and shovel

[thorny girder]

Real

I'll blast through some malice missions when I get home from work today

Which blitz and special you thinking?

[idle swallow]

If you do exe stance with cara damage on helbore you can do normal sapper shovel, if you want VoC or Infil mk7 fold shovel will probably be better

I usually do mk7 shovel/mk2 helbore with shout

[thorny girder]

I'm thinking either voc or infil

I just don't know which

I'll try voc

[idle swallow]

VoC is usually a safer pick

[thorny girder]

Yeahhh

[idle swallow]

Try to get +unarmored damage as one of the helbore perks as that lets you one shot dreg gunners on headshot for mk2

[thorny girder]

Alright

[idle swallow]

Also surgical is pretty much a must pick blessing for all the helbores

[thorny girder]

Which helbore variant?

[idle swallow]

Go with mk2, it's got the fastest charge and still hits pretty hard

[thorny girder]

Alright

[idle swallow]

Mk3 hits the hardest but has a very long charge and the bayonet (the big draw on helbores) has an awful attack on that variant

[uncut pebble]

Surgical + weight of fire are the BIS blessings.

Run shock trooper for significantly improved ammo economy.

[idle swallow]

For mk1 and 3 yeah you want both, for mk2 I'd argue it charges fast enough that you can get away with other blessing choices

[uncut pebble]

There aren't really blessing choices that are worth using, though.

[idle swallow]

Shock trooper is a must pick with em yea

[uncut pebble]

Sure, you could run infernus, but the only thing surviving a helbore crit headshot is a boss or things that aren't gonna care about burn damage anyway.

[thorny girder]

Now I gotta make the perk tree

[uncut pebble]

So really you're sacrificing charge rate for potential higher boss damage, which you don't really need.

[idle swallow]

Ideally it's weight of fire as second blessing on mk2 but sustained fire or no respite are fine as backups if you have locks (which mine does)

My case won't be relevant in a week anyways

[thorny girder]

I see barely a use in survivalist, do you think fire team is a better aura perk?

[uncut pebble]

Survivalist can be used in place of shock trooper if you're already pathing to exe stance.

Otherwise I wouldn't bother using it.

[thorny girder]

Alright

[uncut pebble]

Congratulations on becoming a convict, btw. You now have image perms.

[thorny girder]

Field improvisation?

[junior needle]

No

[thorny girder]

Oh type shit?

[thorny girder]

Ok

[junior needle]

The only way it's better is for pathing, in which there's a tradeoff

Even if you don't personally need surv, it helps your team

[thorny girder]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d0a2c95-b368-447f-94a4-3bcb89e0129a/kriegsguard-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[junior needle]

Whereas the odds of the damage actually affecting random teammates breakpoints in a noticeable manner is quite unlikely

[thorny girder]

Anything you think I should switch out or add?

[junior needle]

I don't use helbores so I can't give you terribly specific advice for those

But iirc agile engagement should work on the bayonet

shreds are also generally better than kraks

[thorny girder]

I was thinking of shred

But Krak is funny

Sticky bomb

[junior needle]

Charged helbore shots are already target agnostic

[thorny girder]

What about serated blade?

[junior needle]

Just keep that in mind. There's also probably more you can do for bayonet leveraging but I can't recall the specifics

Serrated is only relevant if you want to take mercy killer knife

[thorny girder]

Understandable

Hold up lemme switch some stuff

[junior needle]

Especially since it's competing with agile, it's very hard to justify

[thorny girder]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d0a2c95-b368-447f-94a4-3bcb89e0129a/kriegsguard-buildtesting?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Alright

Lmk what you think?

[idle swallow]

I do a more support style with born leader but you have options, the setup is pretty versatile

[thorny girder]

Alright

Might take off focused fire

[spark helm]

Anyone play with some fun chainsword builds that aren't entirely middle tree?

[grim moon]

Could anyone help me with a weapon specialist build using a laspistol and powersword?

[junior needle]

Born leader is very low value unless you're dedicating your entire setup to it with something like gloryhunter plasma

[thorny girder]

Ok

I'll switch up some stuff on my break

[golden moat]

trying a chain sword/plasma gun combo. first time using the two for veteran are these two good stats?

[terse idol]

Bo

Noo

You want as high as you can stopping powerr

And damage

For the plasmagun

It looks like you're not max level yet so like

[delicate hornet]

stopping power being dumped on plasma means ur losing out on a lot of damage for armour, maniacs, and bosses.
plus the infested damage perk is not suited to plasma

[terse idol]

I wouldn't worry toooo much

[delicate hornet]

also yeah, theyre not great base power either (typically looking for around 370) but theyll get better as u level

the chainsword is also dumping damage which isnt ideal

[golden moat]

Yeah I am only lvl 26 veteran at the moment I bought the two random weapons from the brunts armoury. Should I level up some more before trying my luck with the armoury again?

[delicate hornet]

yeah its worth saving resources for a good weapon roll until ur max level

ull get the 4 levels pretty quickly anyway

[terse idol]

Yee as Ev said it's definelty better to start trying to make good weapons at max level

That gives you the highest potential

[golden moat]

thank you for the help. Hopefully i'll get some better luck with the brunts armoury when I am higher level.

[smoky sparrow]

i just started using the revolver fr
whats with people complaining about me using it?
what have you guys been doing?

[analog mural]

It's the meta pick so people complain about it

Along with plasma

[hard cave]

Its meta but also really fun

ignore haters and complainers, and always grief krieg vets

thats my moto

[smoky sparrow]

homie told me its underpowered

[tame lodge]

Hahaha

[hard cave]

I mean if youre shooting carapace, yeah???

[smoky sparrow]

the revolver in question btw

ye i guess its kinda bad at carapce

[hard cave]

the main thing about the revolver is it's high damage, primarily used to dispatched annoying enemies like specialist or elite

if youre shooting carapace, something has gone terribly wrong or there's a gun lugger ogryn near by

[smoky sparrow]

thats what i have the knife for

little can opener

[hard cave]

yeah

but uh

the revolver isn't trash

both models are good

[smoky sparrow]

the cowboy one feels a lil weak compared to the mk2

[hard cave]

well the cowboy one also has a speed loader and better ads imo

but it's perfable to like

a headhunter autogun

[smoky sparrow]

different strokes i suppose

[somber axle]

Revolvers are strong but struggle at dealing with ranged non-elite shooters in any reasonable amount of time unless you can catch them going conga line through a door. But if you've shot the elites and specials you can just rush them in melee

[toxic leaf]

the cowboy revolver is not good

[somber axle]

It's mostly just that they were once overused and sorta trivialize things but now people are using more weapons more often so people don't complain about them anymore LOL

[toxic leaf]

the zarona revolver is S+ tier

[somber axle]

Agripina Revolver is getting a buff next update

Additional cleave

Fingers crossed but it could end up just being better than Zarona with the change

[smoky sparrow]

i still think the cowboy one is more fun to use, its a shame its worse

[toxic leaf]

mostly because veteran is pidgeonholed / best suited for specialist deletion, the cowboy revolver suffers

[terse idol]

I mean hold on

WS with revolver

Hand cannon

Surgical

[toxic leaf]

like you'll find your losses in aurics are almost always because nobody can reliably kill snipers or tox bombers

[terse idol]

Decimates crushers

[toxic leaf]

and then they pile up on you and you get blasted

[somber axle]

it's not a massive change but at least it will feel more punchy to maybe hit the intended target in a horde

[terse idol]

The zarona is pretty good

Vs crushers

[toxic leaf]

the zarona is awesome into crushers and maulers lol

[terse idol]

Especially if you just hit a crit headshot with the weakpoint damage

[toxic leaf]

especially weapon spec zarona

2 shots crushers after you kill 1 poxwalker in the horde

[terse idol]

Roll it back though the revolver is very good vs crushers

You just have to land headshots

[toxic leaf]

and because weapon spec auto reloads, it deletes thsoe crusher trains rather easily

[smoky sparrow]

its still a 2shot with crits

[terse idol]

That's good!

[smoky sparrow]

plasmagun can do it faster i suppose

[terse idol]

No

[smoky sparrow]

thats about it

[toxic leaf]

literally the only thing zarona is not good at is bulwarks

[somber axle]

You can hit a 1 shot too with the orange buffs iirc

[terse idol]

It takes 3 shots

[smoky sparrow]

you have to wait for the crit on the revolver tho

[terse idol]

Not if you take Weapon spec

[somber axle]

Also the weird bullet magnetism means you can sorta aim over the shield and hit a headshot depending on the distance and angle

[terse idol]

And a high level surgical makes crits in under like 5 seconds

[smoky sparrow]

ye, first shot crits, second one is not guaranteed

i should test the dps compared to the plasma gun

[terse idol]

You have 1 guranteed shot in WS

[smoky sparrow]

thats what i sadi

[terse idol]

Yeag!

But you can still... shoot it

And it'll drop it

Ahh

[toxic leaf]

ive come around on crucian roulette with weapon spec zarona

[terse idol]

Its not bad!

[toxic leaf]

it is really strong

[faint beacon]

Hear me out, use the HHA instead so you have extra ammo remaining to drop the other gunners surrounding the bulwark

[toxic leaf]

considering the auto loading keeps you at 1-2 rounds in a horde

[somber axle]

It's really just Always Prepared letting you slap one poxwalker and juggle firing the zarona and going melee without needing to reload during intense moments

[faint beacon]

It’s a combo of that and the Zarona just being stupidly powerful

[somber axle]

Plasma gets bottlenecked by heat but zarona just never stops

[faint beacon]

You quickly come to terms when you realize the HHAs will always be outperformed by them but realize they always have enough bullets to drop a pack of gunners vs the former

[smoky sparrow]

i really should try to make a build for the headhunter guns next

[faint beacon]

It’s shockingly easy to work with as long as you get Precision Stikes, the 30% Weakspot hit increase

My HHA build is a WS build of all things

Rending strikes can also shockingly help HHAs

[toxic leaf]

what is HHA

[smoky sparrow]

headhunter autoguns

[faint beacon]

Headhunter Autoguns

What REAL VETERANS use

[toxic leaf]

you mean...its the sign of a REAL veteran?

[faint beacon]

It’s literally my go too weapon family

I can confidently say they’re all good

[toxic leaf]

i just found out yesterday that zealot cancels the bolter ready animation with knife throw, so ive been living my bolter fantasies 1 week early

before i go back to bolter vet

[faint beacon]

Agri 9 is just the “weaker” of the bunch cause of its unusual 2 burst recoil pattern

It’s still good and if you can tame it’s recoil it’s really damn good

[analog mural]

You can also swap quickly by starting a reload, then cancelling it by sprinting. This of course requires a non-full mag though

[junior needle]

the cowboy one
and better ads imo

[toxic leaf]

lol

[faint beacon]

Do not talk shit about my children…

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

[smoky sparrow]

||https://youtu.be/MyvwacFNPxc?si=ojYCe51A3oTqpUU2||

[faint beacon]

LET ME SPEAK TO THE PEOPLE PICCOLO

[smoky sparrow]

THEY NEED TO HEAR THIS

[faint beacon]

No one’s stopping you

[junior needle]

Agri 9 is the weakest variant. Last I checked it had a worse recoil pattern and dps compared to the vraks 3. The only upside it had over the 3 is that the 3 seems to be bugged and has redonkulous recoil at lower stability values for no reason.

But it stabilizes very well at high stability values

[faint beacon]

Yeah I’d say if we’re like ranking them

The Agri 9 is like a B+

It’s still really fucking good if you can click on heads and manage it’s recoil

It just gets over shadowed by its siblings

[junior needle]

Agri revolver is uh

[smoky sparrow]

its clearly weaker than the autoguns right?

[junior needle]

Red headed stepchild compared to the zarona

[faint beacon]

IAGs?

Infantry aka full auto

[smoky sparrow]

stacking onslaught with high rate of fire should always be better

[junior needle]

I think headhunters are comparable to the iag's

Onslaught is only really relevant on carapace

[faint beacon]

Onslaught is okay and all just don’t use it on Agri or Graia

CIAG

go nuts

But the other two just do Rending strikes

[smoky sparrow]

shouldnt brittleness be better either way?

[faint beacon]

I’d say HHA compared to IAG is genuinely just on preference

If you can click on heads use HHAs

[faint beacon]

If you’re looking to help your team out yes

But if we’re vet min maxxing

Use Rending cause it’s enough to drop Cara for yourself

[smoky sparrow]

i should give the hhas a try again

[junior needle]

So the issue is that brittleness/rending has significantly reduced value at adm's over 100%.

And most weapons are not substantially gimped against other armor types (at least anymore)

[faint beacon]

I’d say- do Either Vraks version

When you get comfy with them

Try out the Agri 9

[smoky sparrow]

what blessings?

i got a mk 7

[junior needle]

Test them out in the psyk with loadout monitor or whatever it's called

Before you dump resources into them

[faint beacon]

Mk7 Surgical + Deadly Accurate

[smoky sparrow]

i got like 50k plasteel

ill be fine

[junior needle]

That's not a lot

[faint beacon]

Mk3 Headhunter + Deadly accurate

[smoky sparrow]

ill change the perks on this

dw

[faint beacon]

Agri 9 imo can be either or on how you play

Path who’s making the vet guide says

Surgical + DA

Personally I use

Headhunter + DA

[faint beacon]

I’d say if you’re more prone to take your time do this with Agri

[junior needle]

Based on my testing with the recoil on repeated firing, I'd go surgical on the 9 too

[faint beacon]

If you’re a meth head who immediately runs in and fires as much as possible I run this

[junior needle]

Wasn't stable enough for my liking like a high stab v3

Which barely budges on full auto

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s why V3 is better

I’ve just learned to tame A9

Hence why I’m unironically shouting for HH + DA pairing

So take into account my bias of that

Probably do surgical first

[faint beacon]

I’ll state this

A pretty important BP is Unarmored for the HHAs

This’ll do

[smoky sparrow]

to 1shot gunners?

[faint beacon]

But Unarmored allows you to 1 Tap Dreg Gunners on headshot

[smoky sparrow]

ic

[faint beacon]

🗣️🗣️🗣️

[smoky sparrow]

crit dmg on the other perk or what?

[faint beacon]

You’ll get your crits from surgical or Headhunter

And Crit damage just isn’t enough vs like

Unarmored or Flak

So a “God Combo”

For perks

Would be like Unarmored + Flak imo

But you could do maniac and Unarmored?…

Cause HHAs struggle against maniac enemies

The big three you want would be though

Unarmored/Flak/Maniac

[junior needle]

rending helps with that because it's due to negative modifiers

[faint beacon]

Shockingly helps with Cara as well

If you click on a crushers head

It’s mainly cause of the Finesse modifiers HHAs have

[frank ether]

from memory headhunters really pop with some rending

[junior needle]

they do

[faint beacon]

Agri 9 drops crushers In like 4-5 volleys

They’re SHOCKINGLY effective

[junior needle]

I should check the crit damage on them

[frank ether]

agri has some poor recoil

would probably work fine with an exe build though

given how much exe patches recoil

[junior needle]

The "crit rending" phenomena is actually just a trend of arbitrarily higher crit damage against unyielding/carapace

So when you add rending to that, you do surprisingly more damage

[faint beacon]

Yeah that’s why I say it’s the weakest and straight up tell new vets to try the others first before trying it

Like

If you roll a A9 with recoil 70<

Fucking toss it

[junior needle]

This is why the emperor invented loadout monitor

[hard cave]

what else would you call the right mouse button, secondary fire lmao?

[faint beacon]

We call it braced

Bracing

[junior needle]

It's more that the zarona is perfectly accurate while ads even while moving it seems, and cowboy is uh

Well, not perfectly accurate to say the least while bracing

[faint beacon]

Zarona is just the Agri but better in every way sadly

It’s extremely overtuned

It’s why I hate the fucking thing

And use HHAs

[junior needle]

Well aktchually it has a speed loader so it's totally even 🤓

[frank ether]

zarona is overtuned

don't really see agri as a weak weapon

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1284620687012659200/4x-2.gif

[frank ether]

It could use some normalization similar to what the thammer is going through though

I don't see weapons that have bad ADMs but OBLITERATE unyielding as good design

as they just exist to remove the fun from monstro modifiers and nothing else

but the funny thing is Zarona also obliterates unyielding

[faint beacon]

Plush

Nothing pisses me off more

Knowing a Zarona user can outperform me by existing

When I’m using a HHA

[smoky sparrow]

lmao lemme just melee 1 poxwalker and then take out my revolver again

then melee another poxwalker

[toxic leaf]

maybe if the highest difficulties of this game didnt depend on being able to instantly kill targets at long range, the zarona would be less overtuned

[smoky sparrow]

and take out my revolver again

[frank ether]

Well I don't love it either but I also don't want to end up with another autopistol tier gun

so there has to be a middleground

[faint beacon]

Extreme hatred

[smoky sparrow]

that is some bs

[faint beacon]

It’s why I praise the HHAs

They’re genuinely balanced

And GOOD

[frank ether]

I think we are too far gone for having balanced weapons in this game unfortunately

so what I mean to say is

I hope you like plasma vets in your lobby

[faint beacon]

Doesn’t stop me from top scoring with them

🤫🧏

[faint beacon]

Also god not looking forward to it

[toxic leaf]

the game design doesnt reward many non single shot vet guns because of how 1 shotting specials from long range is the most important quality for high difficulties, it is what it is at this point

[hard cave]

whats the hha?

[faint beacon]

Headhunter Autoguns

Semi or Burst Rifles

Reward clicking on heads

[frank ether]

there are a lot of guns with varying degrees of jank or bad ADMS

[hard cave]

headhunter autoguns would be nice with some sort of sight besides the iron sights

[frank ether]

and then you have revolver with no spread, no sway, bullet magnetism, instant swap, amazing ADMS, surgical, good finesse, good rending etc etc

[toxic leaf]

even teh columnus, if you had a HISTG match of 4 IAG5 users, it would be much sweatier than a match of 4 zarona revolvers

[idle swallow]

Sentenced to next 10 lobbies having only psword/plasma vets https://tenor.com/sl9fgBifkTF.gif

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[frank ether]

Also you can correct me if I'm wrong but

I don't think zarona has any meaningful dmg fall-off either

its a sniper rifle

cosplaying as a pistol

Why would this game ever have a longlas when zarona exists anyhow

there is no room or need for it

[idle swallow]

because it's a 40k game

[faint beacon]

I wouldn’t mind the Zarona pulling off this BS

[junior needle]

So the issue doesn't seem to be BAD adm's, it's near 100% at close range for flak. Maniac is even higher but the exact amount isn't listed on the pen stat for whatever reason.

[faint beacon]

IF IT HAD HUGE DAMAGE FALL OFF

I seriously don’t mind it being a pocket cannon if it was forced into a close range role only

[frank ether]

I mean you have %170 near unyielding with %70 far flak thats kind of telling isn't it

[faint beacon]

Operations, Rutheless, don’t play Melta

That’s literally the reason

Melta and Multi melta are

[frank ether]

does the gun need this kind of unyielding I'm not sure

[faint beacon]

Literally the best weapons in the game

[junior needle]

It has a normal amount at 20%~, but rending just from the crit rending blessing will keep you above 100%.

[faint beacon]

GL is second place

[frank ether]

It does, too bad the playstyle of this gun doesn't really mesh with surgical though

[faint beacon]

Multi is bugged where you can just instantly get all your HP back

[frank ether]

I guess that is one big contributor to why zarona feels so much better for general use besides the aim shenanigans

Its trivial to get %100 crit rate with it

[faint beacon]

Notice how it’s only

GL, Melta and Las Sniper

You use any other weapon you die

[junior needle]

You're basically never going to deal with the far values on the agri due to how shit it is past 15m

But it's just a small nitpick as bad adm's CAN be fixed

[faint beacon]

Invigorating gameplay

[frank ether]

we had this talk before

[junior needle]

But normal adm's and positive adm's cannot

If your gun relies on having super high adm to do damage

[faint beacon]

Idk man I have so many small issues with the game that I’m just putting it on the back burner till they tweak some of the weaker weapons

Click on head

Get all your HP back

It’s good cause it’s bugged

The moment they fix it though it’ll immediately be bad

[junior needle]

Have we? It's been awhile

[frank ether]

It has a lot of spread if you ram the trigger but the TLDR of it is you're more likely to pop a head than not within 30 meters

I had so much ape shit thrown at me last time for saying you can just momentarily crouch to shrink the cone for an important shot

yes the gun will sometimes miss

[junior needle]

But only if you pace your shots while standing still

[frank ether]

no it doesn't make it okay that I'm getting robbed shots for not running surgical like zarona does

[faint beacon]

I know this is an argument for a different weapon, but like this seriously helps with the A9, sometimes just crouching makes it easier

[frank ether]

yes you can crouch to gain smaller cone on some weapons, lost tech to vet mains

[faint beacon]

With Tyranids, originally I hated fighting them

[frank ether]

last time I tried to talk this point I was ridiculed because ''you can't stop in a horde game''

[faint beacon]

Now I like fighting them cause you can manage the swarms through focusing elites

Chaos is- the interesting one I’d say

Helbrutes are peak though

[junior needle]

I was getting hit repeatedly spamming dodge as fast as I could to get away from gaunts

[faint beacon]

Always have fun fighting them regardless of difficulty

[junior needle]

Are you sure?

[faint beacon]

Latency based

That’s why

I suffer from it also

[junior needle]

It was in singleplayer

[faint beacon]

But it’s non existent when you have good internet

Make the heavy bolt rifle actually useful

[frank ether]

not something you'd have to do often anyway but yeah this is how I tend to use stuff like graia braced or agri revo. Agri still has good enough cone to nail heads up to a decent distance, the gun is more accurate than the crosshair would lead you to believe.

[faint beacon]

Fun fact that’s the one I’m maxxing right now

So that could play into why I’m having a miserable time dropping Majoris enemies

Melta fucking deletes up close though

[frank ether]

game so dead we're having SM2 talk in here now 💀

[faint beacon]

It’s a shotgun basically

Way better on Vanguard imo

Ammo on elite kill perk?

Yeah that also plays into why

Yes and no?

Id say vanguard is extremely helpful for dropping reinforce calls

[magic trout]

Blessings for kantrael shotgun?

[faint beacon]

Really useful for Majoris/Extremis dueling

But it lacks in good minoris clear

Why tactical seems way better

Okay we can agree on this though

Vanguard is just better than Assault in every way

[tall torrent]

I mean it kinda is

[faint beacon]

Holy shit Assault in operations is Depressing

Goes even higher with some of the perks

[raven notch]

I just recently noticed there is a new one that is not the PDF file that is out of date

[faint beacon]

Feel bad for them though lmao

Miserable till that talent

[raven notch]

anyhow need a WS Revolver build if anyone has one handy

[faint beacon]

Still not max cause I always get shitter teammates

Watch them get stunlocked cause they don’t understand parrying is a thing

[tall torrent]

the new version is super comprehensive

[junior needle]

I hate that the combat is designed around parrying/gun strikes for melee

Really don't like the gameplay of it, same problem with sekiro for me

[faint beacon]

Use block defensive weapons

Though that’s a real difficulty tweak

Even though you can just

Dodge

Melee

Get free GS

[tawny badger]

oh wow

[faint beacon]

Game is easier when you understand what they were forcing you to play like

[junior needle]

Takes the hacknslash out of the game and I don't like it

[faint beacon]

But sometimes it just fucking says nah you’re dying

Kinda like Darktide

[junior needle]

I haven't touched the ops, why's that?

[tawny badger]

you may be a space marine but you're an unnamed character at the end of the day

well, not counting the campaign

[faint beacon]

That’s their upside

[last parcel]

yeah but nobody can read it unless they know to ask you lol. most people are still using and screenshotting the pinned pdf

[faint beacon]

They have way better stats in trade of not being able to perfect parry

[junior needle]

So does block prevent you from parrying or

[faint beacon]

Fun Fact

[junior needle]

Oh I see

[faint beacon]

Block Variant Chainsword

Can literally stun lock till execute

[tall torrent]

the link is in the pinned guide rn

[faint beacon]

That’s how fast it is lmao

[faint beacon]

You can still block attacks you just can’t punish with a gunstrike anymore

[junior needle]

Meanwhile they got me using the slowest pieces of shit in the campaign

[faint beacon]

You’ll get it from Perfect dodges

[faint beacon]

I’ve really only dumped like 15 hours into operations

I just know I should probably try to get everything max before I drop the game till content drops

I still don’t really know what’s the absolute best thing to run on Tac

I just know it’s a good class though lmao

I’ll probably level that weapon next

The stock Bolter ain’t it

It’s an upgrade to it

Ripping the scab off and finishing Heavy Bolt Rifle first

You just throw yourself into Rutheless even if you lose to get XP on lvl 1s or something

[sleek garden]

I'm slowly working through the campaign on second hardest difficulty, I am really struggling to figure out how to deal with hordes of tyranids

I end every fight with a sliver of health after the bots pick me up

The bots just follow me around so yeah

The game told me if you do the heavy bash you get a gun strike that returns armor

But you can't do that with the catachan

As I found out after doing goofy stabs into hordes

And sometimes I'll parry and do the strike and I don't get armor apparently if it's a big dude

You can aim on a gun strike?

[thorny girder]

Ok, just updated my kriegsguard build

I'm thinking it focuses on close formations and spreading out after ability use

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d0a7027-4868-47f8-b48f-4f4aae5923b2/kriegsguard-buildtesting-2?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button if there's anything you believe should be changed, please shoot me some advice.

[pastel yew]

christ how are you guys playing that much sm2 operations that's wild

the grind is pretty intense for there only being 6 missions

[thorny girder]

Honestly, I had to take a break from that game, I love it, buuuttttt it gets overwhelming after like 5 missions

So I switched back to darktide in the meantime

[sleek garden]

I haven't even touched the multiplayer yet I'm on like mission 4 of the campaign

[pastel yew]

game looks incredible but the gameplay isn't quite there yet

[smoky sparrow]

im not paying 90 bucks for an unfinished game

[pastel yew]

it feels like a lot was sacrificed for those amazing back drops

in terms of performance

[thorny girder]

I'm waiting until I get back home from basic training to replay sm2

[pastel yew]

most people seem happy but yeah I think the games no where near worth the money

[thorny girder]

It's pure hell, ngl

[pastel yew]

the only mission I actually enjoyed in the singleplayer campaign was the last one

[sleek garden]

That stupid mission where you're trying to activate the big cannon, the second one

Wron

[pastel yew]

really?

that's

a strange take

[sleek garden]

All the bolters are just bolters and some have scopes

[sleek garden]

I failed the thing where you defend the antennae like 15 times

You are extremely wrong

[pastel yew]

idk generally the handling just feels a lot worse

[sleek garden]

You aren't even accurate in hipfire

[pastel yew]

also third person shooting feels rough

[hollow turtle]

I admit, SM2 is far easier than DarkTide.

[pastel yew]

enemies are also quite spongey

though I've not grinded out a lot of gear

[sleek garden]

I was standing still hosing an antennae with bolter fire in hipfire and missing over and over because the guns are so inaccurate in hipfire

[pastel yew]

because the enemy density is like 1/4 of darktide and the enemy variety is like 1/100

most of the time you're fighting chump with stabber

or chump with shooter

or slightly tankier chump with shooter

[sleek garden]

God I hate the shooter enemies

that just continually shred you while you try and kill a horde

[hollow turtle]

Lol as a sniper main, I don't have an issue until they're in melee range.

[sleek garden]

and when you stop to shoot them you get eaten by a horde and it just staggers the shooter tyranids

[pastel yew]

look at the total kills per run compared to darktide

its tiny

[sleek garden]

I'm playing the campaign

[pastel yew]

there's no way there's 200 trash mobs on screen

200 interactable trash mobs I should say

the background density is very high

[sleek garden]

He's probably talking about the moments where all the little one shot tyranids climb on top of each other to climb a wall

[pastel yew]

but you cant fight those

[hollow turtle]

well... When you let the horde kind of just scale the walls without shooting, you're going to see something around 200 of them.

[pastel yew]

yeah I just dont think theres 200 there even then

[sleek garden]

Why do bolters not kill multiple enemies in that game

I thought they would

I thought it would explode enemies and kill some others

But it just hits one dude

[pastel yew]

I mean boltguns arent really supposed to have high penetration anyway

[sleek garden]

and maybe kills tiny tyranids in two shots

[pastel yew]

they're meant to bury in and explode within

[sleek garden]

Yeah, that's what I mean

[tall torrent]

it's an overly penetrative bullet that blows up from the inside

[pastel yew]

theres little point in having a round that explodes if it goes straight through a target

[sleek garden]

I expected shooting the bolter to explode everyone around them

[hollow turtle]

Explosion is not big enough to do aoe unless they're extremely close together.

[sleek garden]

The bolter feels so much cooler in Darktide because it fills the screen with boom that knock over a horde and detonates crushers

In this game its an assault rifle

[pastel yew]

bolter also sounds better in darktide

[hollow turtle]

Lol agree that it sounds better. Way better. In Darktide.

[pastel yew]

outside of the heavy bolt pistol in sm2 I feel the audio for the bolt weapons is pretty limp

same with the plasma pistol

sounds like a laspistol

why it sound so dinky

[hollow turtle]

stalker bolt is the closest one to sounding like DT's.

[pastel yew]

though admittedly the dt plasma also sorta sounds bad

[sleek garden]

None of them make that loud hiss when the bolter runs out of ammo

[pastel yew]

the stalker bolt rifles cool, that is one of the weapons I enjoyed

[sleek garden]

I keep swapping random guns when I find them, the one I like the most has a grenade launcher on it

[pastel yew]

I hated that ngl but I've heard it gets good when upgraded

[hollow turtle]

Lol I liked that one in campaign too. Doesn't exist in the ops mode.

[sleek garden]

All the bolter versions feel kinda samey except the stalker

[pastel yew]

most of my play experience in the game was in the main story on the hardest difficulty where you get no weapon upgrades

every fight is a total slog

so I think it sorta heavily biased me against a lot of the weapons

[sleek garden]

That's what I'm doing on second hardest difficulty

I didn't know there are weapon upgrades

[pastel yew]

hype for you to get to the second last mission xd

[sleek garden]

I'm just mag dumping hordes

[pastel yew]

worst fucking boss I think I've ever fought in a video game

[sleek garden]

Fighting hordes in melee doesn't feel great

[pastel yew]

the melee feels good when it goes right

and really clunky most of the time

[sleek garden]

But I have to remember that there are strike combos like darktide

[pastel yew]

idk there are moments where a really great game shines through and everything just lines up and it feels great... and then you have the other 90% of the time where melee feels clunky and limp

the execution system is very lame

[sleek garden]

It's probably because I'm still new but there's moments where I try to parry and it doesn't work and I'm like okay well there's 12 guys hitting me right now I'll just parry again

Except somehow that doesn't parry anything either

[hollow turtle]

I like SM2, but I think I see myself having DT installed longer.

[sleek garden]

space marine 2 is very cool to look at though

[pastel yew]

no doubt

[hollow turtle]

100%

[pastel yew]

it's a gorgeous game

it just feels like a game 10 years out of date

with some really modern paint

[sleek garden]

The opening missions with the giant hordes and the lasers firing nonstop was fun

[hollow turtle]

It would've gave gears of war a run for its money.

[pastel yew]

I feel like gears of war felt a lot tighter mechanically

though it has been like.. at least 10 years since I played a gears game

[sleek garden]

I know you fight chaos at some point but right now I'm dealing with the tyranids and I hate dumping 3 magazines of a bolter into one of the "medium" enemies to kill them

[pastel yew]

it gets

so much worse

seriously

[hollow turtle]

I'm still annoyed I can't at least crouch. Yeah, a little pointless of a feature, but as a sniper, literally take a damn knee.

[pastel yew]

drop the difficutly

the game is not challenging

its just tedious

forcing myself to play on the hardest difficulty actively ruined the experience

[sleek garden]

Like I said the second mission clearing tyranids off the antennae was nearly impossible

[hollow turtle]

The most annoying mission was the one with the rippers and the flamethrower.

[sleek garden]

I had to do what I did with elden ring and Jedi survivor

I put the game down for the night and came back tomorrow

[pastel yew]

yeah that one sucked

[sleek garden]

Really? I thought it was interesting

[pastel yew]

the first fight against the games antag is the worst mission by far though

[hollow turtle]

Fucking throw Zoanthopes into the mix while I'm holding a gosh darn flamethrower.

[pastel yew]

a 15 minute slog against consistently spawning bullet sponge enemies

trying not to be too spoiler heavy

[hollow turtle]

Dealing with cockroaches gnawing at my ankles, and you want me to look up?

[sleek garden]

I've already seen some videos

[sleek garden]

Oh I remember that part

Stupid

[hollow turtle]

and deal with a ranged enemy

[sleek garden]

I hate the flying enemies because they take as many bullets as the medium guys

[pastel yew]

I feel like any fight with the zoanthropes was always made worse by their inclusion

just carry krak grenades never using them in case one shows up

[hollow turtle]

Well... At least in ops, I take them out in 3 shots as a sniper.

[pastel yew]

yo you're able to play a class consistently?

[hollow turtle]

Yeah. You're not?

[pastel yew]

yeah its pretty wild given weapons start out at like 2-3 damage and get up to 9-10

[faint beacon]

I fucking noticed this

I was so fucking miserable

[pastel yew]

I wanted to try the bulwark class, it took 6 attempts

to get into a game

[faint beacon]

Using the green weapons

Gets a purple

[pastel yew]

6!

[faint beacon]

Game suddenly feels normal

[hollow turtle]

Lol bulwark and heavy are kind of the two most used classes right now.

[pastel yew]

why can you even join lobbies with the class you have selected

there are like 150k players rn

[hollow turtle]

I'm sticking with the ones I don't usually see (sniper, assault, and tac)

[pastel yew]

it refunds all 14????

[sleek garden]

I toss my frag at a horde and then it just spawns 3 medium guys behind it and then a horde to the side

I hate that the medium guys have ranged shotgun attacks

I'm trying to kill your friends stop hitting me with shotgun acid

[pastel yew]

feels like the game has a lot of

pretty severe balance problems

from what I've heard the melee classes are garbage

[faint beacon]

Heavy Bolt Rifle taking like 23 rounds to 6 on headshot from green to purple

[pastel yew]

and then the heavy, sniper and tactical or whatever are god tier

[faint beacon]

Like bro what the fuck

[hollow turtle]

Dodge, snipe. Dodge, snipe. Dodge, snipe.

How I deal with shotgun range

[sleek garden]

So does darktide to an extent I hate getting revolver/power sword/voc veterans in my game

[hollow turtle]

it is kind of terrible pattern.

[sleek garden]

It gets genuinely boring

[pastel yew]

I feel like I see autoguns the most

autoguns + spraying poxwalkers all game

how have you got 400 levels on vet...

[sleek garden]

Having to dodge mid horde sucks because it's like an endless salvo

[faint beacon]

I like how 25 assault is different vs Assault by itself

[sleek garden]

Ok this sounds bad but recently I came into possession of a 380 graia braced autogun and it is fun to shoot into hordes

Because it sucks at anything else

[pastel yew]

feels like the operations mode becomes better when you actually level a class but

that means playing the same missions at least 3 times each before I'm at a point I'm feeling good

I really dislike the progression system

[sleek garden]

people keep telling me executioners stance is bad but I like using veteran with it and a lasgun to click some shooter heads

[pastel yew]

on the hardest difficulty?

[faint beacon]

What difficulty

Rutheless grinding?

[pastel yew]

am I not going to just be fighting constant bullet sponges for that whole game

whole 3 games even

hmmm hmm that's good advice

sounds

pretty grindy but I guess its gonna be that way either way

I'm likely gonna just wait for more operations missions to drop

helldivers is getting a load of buffs so maybe I can go back to that and it wont feel awful

[faint beacon]

It sounds so fucking boring but like I assume this is with the mindest of simply leveling your character up

[pastel yew]

give sm2 some time in the oven

[pastel yew]

the alternative is running every mission multiple times, honestly that sounds even more boring, worse as its for a longer duration

[faint beacon]

True

Besides to really have fun you have to max rank the class

[pastel yew]

the cosmetic system is

super cool

[faint beacon]

It’s okay

[pastel yew]

credit where credits due

you're not a fan?

[faint beacon]

The armor at least

Color though

Kino

[pastel yew]

I do kinda wish you could have some chaos armor bits but

is what it is

[faint beacon]

I’m one to like subtle simplicity

That’s why

But the colors

And how you can really use anything

That’s kino

Grindy

But free

Play with shitters

You’ll see what I mean

[pastel yew]

I would agree if you're going to unlock everything but I had a colour scheme I wanted pretty much immediately so it wasnt so bad

is there any way to reliably force a solo mission?~

as I've had a few but seems people can join its just inconsistent

mmh I'll give that a go next time I play as

if I'm gonna be running t4 difficulty with shit gear I dont wanna drag others down by taking longer

better I just do it myself

feels a tad toxic otherwise

[faint beacon]

Trust me

Leveling is more important

Assault cough

[pastel yew]

the vanguard is dope but

the grapple auto aim is cancer

I wish I could turn it off like the regular autoaim which is on by default for some ungodly reason

[faint beacon]

Yknow I’m surprised

[pastel yew]

sure but if I'm not playing with a controller why would I want autoaim on

[faint beacon]

You can’t use the grapple to latch to walls like in PVP

[pastel yew]

honestly I rarely ever see console players anyway which is

sorta made the whole thing a bit pointless

in dt that is

and when you do see one normally they perform about as well as expected

[faint beacon]

I run into so many console players on DT and SM2

[pastel yew]

in sm2 I think about 40-60% of players are console but

in dt its just pc players

[faint beacon]

I find a few console players

I’ve only met like

1 group that I mistook for PC players

[sleek garden]

Not gonna lie I am not super big on the goofy oversized space marine armor I'll probably give it some paint and use the default stuff

[faint beacon]

Cause of how well they were performing

[hollow turtle]

I prefer to turn off the cross play on SM2, because if everyone has an m.2 or ssd, the loading screens are so much shorter.

[pastel yew]

I didnt even realise you could turn it off

[faint beacon]

I can’t

It won’t let me it’s greyed out

[pastel yew]

and yeah most console players perform so poorly they have a lot of disadvantages working against them

[sleek garden]

Have you ever played a round of darktide where you load in by yourself and it immediately loads into the game from the deploy countdown

[hollow turtle]

You can only turn it off from title screen.

[pastel yew]

controller < mouse and keyboard. A lot less common for them to have headphones

playing DT without headphones sounds painful

even just from a damage stand point the melta seems silly

in the base game its fine because the ammo count is low

[sleek garden]

Sometimes it makes no difference and I'll be mid slide and hear a trapper net out of nowhere

[pastel yew]

but with a high ammo count how does that not completely invalidate melee

I played a game with a heavy who did nothing but shoot his heavy melta all game

like 143 melee damage 6k ranged damage

[faint beacon]

I mean

That’s the point of heavy

You rarely melee

You mainly dodge parry or shoot

[hollow turtle]

Las fusil while leveling only having 12-20 rounds pisses me off.

[pastel yew]

why would you melee when your infinite ammo melta gun does everything it does but way better?

[sleek garden]

I actually do like in space marine 2 when you are aiming down sights and run out of ammo in your primary you just whip out the pistol in your free hand

[pastel yew]

cinematic... it feels hunched in and horrible

[faint beacon]

Alright noted

[sleek garden]

The only other game that does that is red dead redemption 2

[faint beacon]

Never doing Gunstrikes

[pastel yew]

even just a tiny but further out would feel way better

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[sleek garden]

The game doesn't need an fov slider

I agree

[hollow turtle]

I parry by habit coming out of a gun strike because there's always likely something about to hit me the millisecond the iframe ends.

[pastel yew]

I kinda hate the invincibility anyway, the executions really just take you out of the game to replay 1 of 2 execute animations for that enemy type

[sleek garden]

But I don't like no shoulder swap

[pastel yew]

cool at first

less cool later

compared to like... doom, which has an execute system you can manually control and loads of animations per enemy

[faint beacon]

Accidentally GSs

Fucking dies

It’s the SM2 way

[sleek garden]

It is kind of stupid to do your cool cinematic thing then get eaten by a tiny tyranid

[pastel yew]

always hit while doing it

always

[faint beacon]

They can stun lock you off of GS

TRULY PEAK

[sleek garden]

I know it happened to me

[pastel yew]

the tiny tyranids are honestly the main threat the elite enemies do little but block

the tzangors with the shields?

literally the end boss of sm2

[faint beacon]

Wall of shield Tzaangors

I’m going to say it right now

Terminator Scarabs and Helbrutes

[pastel yew]

it'd be nice if there were more ways of dealing with them than just forcing a heavy attack

[faint beacon]

Are the only enjoyable chaos enemies

Never got upset by them

Never

[pastel yew]

I really enjoy the helbrites

the terminators ehhh they're fine

[sleek garden]

One thing I thought was funny, in Darktide the weapon description of the Mk.1 Catachan it does say that to the catachans, the blade is a knife and to everyone else it's a big sword and you use it to deal with hordes

[pastel yew]

controversial take but I like the neurothrope

[sleek garden]

I didn't think about it again

[pastel yew]

or whatever that things called

I like the stupid ddr minigame dodges

[sleek garden]

And now in space marine it looks like a baby knife

And hits one guy at a time

It is specifically the mk1 too it has the gold handle

[pastel yew]

the finisher animations for the combat knife are dope though

[grand perch]

love guys like these

[pastel yew]

that sounds hillarious

with the big lunge?

[faint beacon]

Kill Zarona users

OH TURNS THE FUCKING LUNGES INTO AN AOE

[pastel yew]

picking up a medium bag for literally one fucking bullet

what an asshole

[faint beacon]

Yeah that shit is fucking insane

[grand perch]

thats what i thought

[faint beacon]

You don’t understand

He’s the Zarona user

He needs it more

[pastel yew]

I feel like most zarona users also just fucking suck though

its like the plasma gun

[faint beacon]

You filthy Helbore peasant

[pastel yew]

you see it in the wild and they perform awfully

then you try it and dominate

the plasma is such a strange weapon I don't think I've seen someone do well with it in the past 5-10 vets

what's going wrong.

[faint beacon]

Clearly

It needs buffs

Clearly

[grand perch]

stealth nerf, it shoots blue gatorade now

[pastel yew]

plasma too weak

keep blowing myself up

[faint beacon]

Plasma is so fucking boring

[grand perch]

(dont use near ultramarines theyll get offended)

[faint beacon]

Holy shit

[pastel yew]

I think plasma is fun it just has no flavor in the long run

[faint beacon]

I know

It makes me

Unfathomably upset

[pastel yew]

the enjoyment is not feeling restrained at all, you literally kill as fast as you can aim

[thorny girder]

I wanna make some builds now

[pastel yew]

I saw a helbore build on reddit using 3 stam curios and deadshot

[sleek garden]

I've used the plasma like twice I didn't know you could blow yourself up

[pastel yew]

it appeased my soul

the one good reddit post in 1000s

[sleek garden]

The charging thing is cool

[pastel yew]

because it only blows up on the right click charge

[sleek garden]

I never detonated though

[pastel yew]

you cant explode yourself anymore with the lmb

[faint beacon]

Are you talking about the fucking

[sleek garden]

I think they should reintroduce the ancient curse and make it chip health again

[faint beacon]

Surgical

Deadshot

[pastel yew]

hell yeah

[faint beacon]

3 stam

[pastel yew]

that guys dope

[faint beacon]

I

Hate you so much

Lmao

[pastel yew]

I run the same shit with the bolt pistol

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-smile-happy-gif-12618427

[faint beacon]

That build makes me so violently upset

[pastel yew]

you hate it but you aint tried it

it feels so good

fuck health

fuck toughness

embrace +3 stamina +10% ordo dockets

[faint beacon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/211203478284926976/1281888137626517504/caption.gif

[pastel yew]

just dodge innit

the solution to all darktide woes

[faint beacon]

Fucking love this gif is immediately shooting shots at Tanner

[pastel yew]

tanner the only one spitting facts about sm2 tho

didnt watch the video as he annoys me but he's the only one I saw actually being critical of the game

its been a wild ride watching a lot of people go from "this is the best thing since sliced bread" to "this game is pretty deeply flawed currently"

[faint beacon]

I’d rather take info from Azrael

Then listen too fucking Tanner ever

[thorny girder]

I want to make 2 builds for each class

[pastel yew]

3 stam curios + deadshot + surgical + deadly accurate

do it

embrace it

I swear you'll love it

gunners do literally nothing in current patch because every build explodes them like regular fodder

like thinking seriously

when was the last time an elite gunner actually harmed you

beyond some toughness damage

[faint beacon]

Ogryn

[red robin]

gunner resist is only needed if you run head first into them or intentionally get yourself caught out

[thorny girder]

When I go on my break, I'm gonna go into the other class channels and ask what weapons viable

[faint beacon]

Cause my team refused to kill the gunners

[pastel yew]

you gotta have no toughness and no stamina

that's a lot to fuck up on

no dodges even^

also in the open

no cover

[faint beacon]

Clandestine Gloriana would like to know your location

[red robin]

it would probably be good on my run and gun infiltrate build

[pastel yew]

I will never not run a build that can't deal with everything, darktide is a solo game disguised as a team game

[red robin]

there are times terrifying barrage just doesnt work for me

[faint beacon]

With how shit people are

Your take is genuinely valid

That you have to run a jack of all trades build to keep yourself alive

[red robin]

i always just say team game and it happens when we lose

[pastel yew]

yeah pretty much I think the best way to get good at darktide is to not care about how poorly your team performs

if you lose a game

100% you had the potential to win it

focus on your own mistakes

[sleek garden]

Actually the one thing I depend on my teammates to do is bring a ridiculously single target load out that only deals with crushers

so I normally do pretty well with catachan blade/kantrael lasgun/frag

[faint beacon]

Patience and positioning

[pastel yew]

I've played enough sniper dodge DDR while fighting in melee to know that if you can't deal with something there's a reasonable chance it wont happen

[red robin]

I like my teammates because I'd like to imagine they're having fun also

[pastel yew]

never leave home without a way to kill crushers

[faint beacon]

I’ll straight up run a build that’s weak against cara

[red robin]

being an asshole is certainly a way to make this a dead game

[faint beacon]

And still kill crushers

[faint beacon]

If you do it’s literally just

Be aware of your surroundings

[sleek garden]

ive managed to kill crushers by parrying their heads clean off it is so satisfying

[pastel yew]

for sure, honestly most of my negetive experience has been at the hands of people with 500+ levels too which is wild

[sleek garden]

And most of the time I can just drop my frags at my feet and run away from crushers lol

[pastel yew]

yeah, but if they don't kill them you just have to keep distance

which isn't fun and might force you into a bad spot

[red robin]

elitists murdering their own game, no self awareness whatsoever

[faint beacon]

I’m very much a person who’s fine with chipping at them

[pastel yew]

I do think some people play so much of the game they burn out on it being ... a game

its just win and loss

[sleek garden]

I'm not a coward, my weapons just do 130 damage per swing to a guy with 5000 health

[faint beacon]

They’ll die eventually

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

[faint beacon]

Just you have to constantly be aware of what’s around you

[red robin]

i really like experimenting with builds regardless if they're optimal or not

[sleek garden]

I've been having a lot of fun lately going through the classes and trying out different things

[red robin]

payday2, drg, and this game have tht feel

[pastel yew]

honestly I kinda hope they buff damage to carapace across the board then just make the crushers have a significant amount more health

as currently anti armor weapons absolutely fold them

and non anti armor weapons are mostly entirely useless

[sleek garden]

I recently tried the purgatus staff, tigrus chainsword, and mk3 cleaver recently

[pastel yew]

a lot of the best weapons to deal with regular enemies are also the best weapons to deal with carapace too which is so fucking wild

[sleek garden]

This is a blessing problem

I do not think the heavy axes should have a blessing that randomly allows it to kill 8 dudes in one swing

On a light attack

[pastel yew]

yeah realistically they should just have some amount of cleave

[red robin]

man, i can't imagine how agile is going to be in the new patch

[pastel yew]

brutal momentum is almost always if not always the best blessing if you can get it

[sleek garden]

Meanwhile the catachan built right can kill 1 in a heavy swing

[pastel yew]

like the heavy swords are the same.

[red robin]

dodge count refresh on weakspot hit

tac axe and dueling sword gonna be the super dodge dancing weapons

[sleek garden]

I also don't think knives should be so effective against armor

[pastel yew]

nah I think the opposite really

good against armor

shit into horde

their horde clear is silly fast

[sleek garden]

as funny as it is to see the videos of people doing a weak wrist flick thing that 3 taps crushers it's like

Why

[pastel yew]

I mean thrusting weapons traditionally are better into armor

[sleek garden]

maybe I phrased it wrong

[pastel yew]

as they can get between the gaps

they are definitely too good at their job though

the knives don't really have a massive weakness

[red robin]

true

[sleek garden]

it's not that it's bad that they are good for armor, I don't mind that, it's just that you can build it strangely where it goes from jamming a knife into their skull into a weird push flick that somehow does 2.5k a hit

Nobody uses the heavies except to move

[red robin]

hypermobility, don't need uncanny, high finesse curve, and so many strong blessings

[pastel yew]

this I hate

ngl I think that's so dumb

it already gives so much move speed

[sleek garden]

I get left behind a lot as my veteran

[faint beacon]

Look you hit true end game

When you get so bored of the meta picks

[sleek garden]

When the match starts and we start marching in every time you see your three teammates whip out knives and start speeding off

[faint beacon]

You resort back to the lukewarm weapons

And make them perform on par with the meta

[last parcel]

what about being right ahead

[sleek garden]

If only I could do that with a kantrael lasgun

[faint beacon]

Left 4 dead or something

[narrow frost]

buh

[faint beacon]

Idk

[sleek garden]

Que

[narrow frost]

Was

[sleek garden]

Did you figure out the secret tech that heavies deal damage

Actually I forgot that the new knife has the horizontal slash as a heavy

Isn't that the one that kills crushers in less than a second

[pastel yew]

player skill is so much more of a factor here

and most "bad" weapons are not even remotely unusable

I still think common opinion is the bolt pistol is trash despite it being really good.. in vet..

[sleek garden]

I like to think I'm skilled but yesterday I went down to just groaners like a moron trying to parry with the catachan

I thought about disconnecting

[pastel yew]

everyone makes mistakes

[sleek garden]

The bolt pistol is fun

[pastel yew]

I got so arogant about shooters doing 0 damage

[faint beacon]

Gets a cleave increase

[pastel yew]

that I tried to face tank one for the guy doing an objective as I reloaded

[faint beacon]

Literally has a fucking hidden meta option

[pastel yew]

lost 80% of my life

[faint beacon]

Lethal Prox Grenadier build

Like bro what

[pastel yew]

made a 0 threat enemy almost kill me

[pastel yew]

yeah its cool but

not as fun as deadly accurate surgical

[sleek garden]

this is why I play veteran the way I do