veteran-class

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-national-guard-garfield-national-guard-garfield-ethnostate-gif-21324034

Cat pic vets in here be like

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-cat-fast-gif-19144023

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stupid-slobber-the-bluetooth-device-is-ready-to-pair-gif-17323072743601828847

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/barnacle-hlvr-half-life-half-life-alyx-valve-gif-18949227

[faint beacon]

Vet mains:

[balmy flume]

“Warning: prolonged use of Voice of Command may lead to complacency…”

[slow spade]

Voice of Command needs a buff

+100 toughness again pls

[red robin]

Just get a reliable duo to shout with you

But 50+ is still a solid amount

But uh, does VoC function as toughness for the sake of toughness replenishment talents?

Example being 200 + 50 = 250 and regen 15% flat of that 250 from exhilarating takedown?

[faint beacon]

I see ANY

Veteran needs buffs comments I just sigh in disappointment

[red robin]

Skirmisher definitely needs it

Wasted talent

5 seconds to 8 seconds is massive

[faint beacon]

Literally only those small things and ES now being WORSE SG

[red robin]

All it needs is better ticking

[faint beacon]

Veteran is fine and doesn’t need buffs

Hell needs nerfs

Lmao

[red robin]

There’s buffs and then there’s quality of life improvements

[faint beacon]

VOC and superiority both need nerfs

[red robin]

I’d rather see things adjusted to round off notable strengths

Like maybe placing superiority complex higher in the tree

VoC cd increase by 15 seconds

[faint beacon]

VOC imo shouldn’t have golden toughness

It should just be a buff that increases TDR

increase its CD

[last parcel]

+100% tdr

[red robin]

Infiltrate has something similar

[analog mural]

I don't mind them having gold toughness but they shouldn't stack on eachother and the cdr should be longer

[red robin]

That 50% dmg reduction is fun

[faint beacon]

and hit superior with a Surv nerf of procs every X seconds

[red robin]

I used to use the -90% less threat, but I like the idea of frontlining shooters

Or gunners if I am bold

I should get more gunner resist

I kinda die sometimes in embarrassing ways

I use none

[topaz lance]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ffunpp/small_updatechanges_to_the_unlocked_and_loaded/

FINALLY

PRAISE THE EMPEROR

MAKE IT TRIGGER WS TOO AND IT'S PERFECT

fuck it only took a year and some

[red robin]

Woah

That’s massive

[inland orchid]

free weakspot exists it’s called landing the shot

[topaz lance]

WS = Weapon Specialist if you mean me

[inland orchid]

Could’ve fooled me they both fit the “WS” acronym wise

[red robin]

I can finally run my double barrel executioners stance build with WS with no shame

[topaz lance]

If they make exe stance trigger WS that would be even better, but that's the kind of build I'm excited to try

I feel like combat shotties and bolt pistol are also interesting with that type of build.

[faint beacon]

SG being better ES this update as well lmao

[red robin]

Executioners stance is actually goated now with melee not cancelling it

Yeah

[faint beacon]

Suppression immunity on proc

[red robin]

I mean marksmen focus is there also

[faint beacon]

Actually stinky

[red robin]

Just about the same efficiency with 15 stacks is 112.5% finesse

[tame lodge]

💀

Now here's the conundrum

SG last 12 seconds if you just sit there

[faint beacon]

Yes

[tame lodge]

But you can keep Exec for more than 12

[faint beacon]

Both theoretically can go infinitely

It’s just ES is easier to maintain

Actually hell the only downside you could manage is SG peril more so acting as a forced CD period

[tame lodge]

To me
SG vs Exec will always end up on a draw ngl

[faint beacon]

Oh I know why

Melee actually procs SG

ES you’re forced to stay in gun

[tame lodge]

That might work as a tie breaker

[faint beacon]

That’s why it irked me

[red robin]

I like the idea they’re both fun for both classes

[faint beacon]

You can build some insane SG stacks with melee alone

Veteran you swap to melee it drops

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-fun-bored-boredom-buster-gif-24509788

[red robin]

The melee part oozes style of SG

Not having melee talents when you invest on the left side of the tree hurts bad

Reciprocity my beloved

[tame lodge]

Players from both classes also think that SG and Exec suck 💀

[red robin]

Lmao

Trash and Garbage in a fight to the death

[tame lodge]

Lmfao

[faint beacon]

I’d rather they let Vet do it also or at least the idea of

When I’m forced into a melee scenario as vet

Happens a lot btw

It doesn’t drop it

So I can just quickly dome a shooter before it drops to maintain it

[red robin]

Melee time

[tame lodge]

What the hell

💀

Melee vets using exec for the slow/stun immunity

[red robin]

Woah

That’s actually kinda neat

Low mobility rifle finally has its weakspot removed

[idle swallow]

taking exe stance just for temp thy wrath be swift

[red robin]

You can whip out the +13% dodge range knife will fuck

Or the MK 5 duelling sword with its +15%

[tame lodge]

Yeah, budget twbs

[red robin]

I just wish infiltrate wasn’t so point hungry on the right side of the tree which is already point hungry

We need level 35 talent cap now and new difficulty

[grim scroll]

I'm running with a chainsaw as my melee weapon. I really only use it for when I have to reload or if there's a horde swarming. What are perks best suitable for that weapon? I'm at Hadron right now looking to refine it.

Right now I've got equipped 15% block efficiency (I almost never ever block), and 25% Damange (Infested enemies)

[last parcel]

which chainsaw? there’s chainswords and chainaxes
both of them take flak damage but the second perk depends

[uncut pebble]

Also, blessings are more important than perks.

[last parcel]

that too

[terse idol]

Don't need infested

[tame lodge]

So, next patch, the hybrid class is getting even better at being hybrid

[severe gale]

does the DB

want

flak maniac

[red robin]

Maniac goes hard

[last parcel]

yeah flak gives mauler dickshot

[red robin]

Unarmored or Elites might be good too

[weary peak]

so im not insane

[red robin]

Those pesky gunners evade my single barrel breaks point

[tame lodge]

If you want to double down on maniacs then yes

[severe gale]

kk

[weary peak]

thank you for verifying why I go flak on DBarrel

I tell everyone to just shoot them in the balls

it 1 shots them lmfao

but i never could give a proper explanation why

[tame lodge]

Because it already has big maniac damage

[red robin]

So can it 1 shot a mutant without maniac?

With the double barrel blast?

[last parcel]

you could even go infested to extend the poxwalker clear distance but that’s more just for funny lol

[weary peak]

kid named manstopper

[red robin]

Yummy

[weary peak]

https://tenor.com/view/beyblade-moses-anime-gif-15728025

[red robin]

So scattershot and manstopper are solid blessings?

[lucid hinge]

yes

[red robin]

What would be an alternative to scattershot

In case

[last parcel]

both barrels

deathspitter

[red robin]

Neat

[last parcel]

run n gun

[severe gale]

scattershot makes guarenteeing a crit much easier

[red robin]

That 12% close damage do feel kinda of good on a skirmisher build

[severe gale]

its nice on WS

because u can kill 1 to get a shot back

and itll still crit

[red robin]

That 8 second buff to skirmisher will make me into tf2 scout

Do you ever think there will be a sprint speed perk ever?

Even if it is 5% or so

10% mayhaps

[last parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1258682515544211506/ajCPQm6.mp4?ex=66e537f0&is=66e3e670&hm=afbd702899b16c0585fd13530ab8edd6a4d3755dc51927f2e1a8534a6ef58224&

my ultimate is charging

[red robin]

Love that build

Shame I sent my run and gun + both barrels into oblivion just to get both barrels

Base damage increase from skirmisher is nutty on the double barrel

I just wish it had less damage falloff

I just want to use the double barrel with deadshot, run and gun, and executioners stance as a choked hunting shotgun

But the damage falloff from range hurts bad

Also full bore doesn’t proc on a super narrow spread on the double shot

[frank ether]

woah, that'd be op, I hope they'll never put that in a talent somewhere for another class

[red robin]

If the buff refreshes on melee kill

It’s joever

Executioners stance will be my favourite movement build

Goodbye infiltrate

[tame lodge]

I mean, you could stab your marked target with the Helbore and it would refresh

[red robin]

True

[frank ether]

It kinda should be anyway

like I find it weird they put vet tree in a way where most popular ults are both defensive and kinda boring

[red robin]

Infiltrate is solid front line with 50% damage reduction

Over -90% cover

Which is 100% damage reduction as your team is now baring the cross of aggro

[frank ether]

if you take %90 aggro why would you take TDR with it

do you like unironically put 3 points into infiltrate

or do you mean you choose one or the other

[calm plinth]

new to the game, can you actually play veteran as mostly ranged with sparse melee or is ammo too tight?

[last parcel]

i think it's this and they're just comparing

[last parcel]

but yes

[frank ether]

I find this discussion always funny because there are so many blatantly OP things at right tree and literally none of them are at the ultimate part of above

I do take the extra damage node though

moar damage betterer

[thorn lark]

It depends on the weapon

And the talents you will use so that you are ammo positive or don't put too much of a strain on your team resources

[frank ether]

some things are just detrimental to shoot regardless of ammo in this game

poxwalker = toughness battery

poxbursters you can hurt teammates if you shoot near them

other than that a lot of weapons you can just shoot at gunners, specials, elites all day long and still have good ammo

[oblique totem]

I knew it

[red robin]

Yeah this one

I wish I was that stupid

It would be so much simpler

[red robin]

Agile engagement feel good to use

But damn does the +1 blitz and movement revive speed feel underwhelming

But damn does the revive and rescue speed ever do work with infiltrate

Ally netted? Brb gonna free this lad unimpeded

[frank ether]

relatable

[frank ether]

yeah I don't mean to say those things are weak I just thing the bottom row of the right tree has the really borked stuff

[red robin]

Ooo

Yeah

[frank ether]

maybe its just me overreacting but you have a keystone that lets you take weapons that are balanced around having reload downtime and just... skip that downtime, lmao

[red robin]

Reciprocity, Desperado, Onslaught, Trench Fighter

[terse idol]

😌

WS forms it's own niche making a few guns brooooken

[red robin]

Even the 5% on kill is nutty with the WS 20% gain on activation for both swaps

[grand perch]

oh lawd its the shredder boys

[radiant chasm]

nightmare

[tame lodge]

When the weapon is so bad you memorize its sound

[oblique totem]

Who chose shotgun when it could have been all shredders?

[radiant chasm]

get your eyes checked

that's a helbore

[oblique totem]

Irrelevant. Not a shredder

[grand perch]

its okay, he was distracted by the shirtlessness

[oblique totem]

I will neither confirm nor deny

[last parcel]

licking that ab sweat i see

[oblique totem]

And you don't get to comment at all.

[orchid hemlock]

@radiant chasm

[tame lodge]

Something something a joke about how sweat helps cooling down and you're ruining it by licking something something

[last parcel]

something something in heat something something

[unique orchid]

Im upset the sludge camo just kinda doesnt look good on that command cap, itd be a perfect cosmetic if it was in olive drab or gloamus blue

[radiant chasm]

otters 🙂

[shy rose]

What is the difference between Stopping power vs Collateral they seem to both just be stagger enemy?

[shy rose]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH THATS SOOOO CUTEEE OJASDKF?AMSDLFKMSDFL I LOVE OTTTERSSS

[golden fox]

They're not. Stopping power affects damage per armour type, Collateral is about stagger.

[radiant chasm]

stopping power is your armor damages

[last parcel]

for future reference, when you select a weapon in the inventory, you can press v (or whatever button it says at the bottom right) to inspect the weapon
this brings up a menu where you can hover over the stats and it breaks it down for you. the screenshot is for mobility but you can do the same thing for stopping power

[shy rose]

yeah i know but both said weapon stagger

on the bottom

so i got confused

[grand perch]

its true, and the other, similar black one with the goggles looks weirdly big and bloated on the female head

[unique orchid]

I wish the goggle cosmetics had an alt with them over the eyes

[red robin]

True

Or even one that removes the goggles from the black hat

But knowing fatshark they will be two different cosmetics

[topaz lance]

I actually like(d) Vanguard.... 😦

[tawny badger]

Stopping Power: Stagger
Collateral: Penetration

[shy rose]

according to people its the opposite

[radiant chasm]

it's the opposite

[tawny badger]

what

[radiant chasm]

hence why you can dump collat if you don't care about bulwarks (or your weapon isn't capable of that anyways) but you never dump stopping power

because stopping power affects your armor adms

[tawny badger]

Oh I guess it is that

[faint beacon]

Having stopping power be low is very noticeable against scab enemies

[tawny badger]

are the scabs anti-union

[red robin]

is that why they’re called that?

https://tenor.com/view/saved-favorite-homer-brainless-got-nothin-monkey-banging-symbols-gif-14671175

Me

[idle swallow]

proof that picket line crossers are corrupted by chaos gods and are worthy only of cleansing by holy fire

[thorn lark]

What about the woke ragers?

[tawny badger]

dreg ragers are f2m

[radiant chasm]

cult of admonition offering free top surgery

[tawny badger]

all them vials n shit embedded in their body is nurgle testosterone

[tawny badger]

see you get it

[thorn lark]

Green supplements

Fucking gym bros

[tawny badger]

health booster

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-gif-23968004

[autumn perch]

help pls im trying to kill the twins in damnation but i am scrub big men pls help
3369418720

[umbral parrot]

Don't know who this Lynx person is. But literally we literally just did an unintentional duo on a pub match! ❤️

Damn i love good players...... and i need to get better myself too lol.

[severe gale]

level 2k

insane

they’re probably in this server

[last parcel]

truly a [][][][][][][]

[severe gale]

you did really well, you took 300 less damage than them, and did a very good amount of damage

[umbral parrot]

I know, lol not to toot my own horn. But it still could have gone wrong in a few turns.

[severe gale]

erm main character syndrome much

wowww we get how good you are

/j

https://tenor.com/view/blahaj-gif-27048745

[umbral parrot]

Oh stop it, you're making me blush~ x3

[severe gale]

ecksdeee!

[umbral parrot]

Oh, and cus i'm here.... buff Infiltrate!

[arctic rampart]

what I'd like is to not have super weird pathing on the aggro dump to the other players

[umbral parrot]

Crusher doing a quick 180 spin? It do be like that.

I just want extra speed when leaving stealth. Been using it for months now, and it ain't nearly as good as VoC buuuuuut.... it has some really good uses.

And who ever told me Overwatch is good, can take a nose dive down to the darkest pits of the Warp!

[oblique totem]

Just parry the crusher. Or, do what I do and get downed then blame my teammates even though I have done nothing to help them and I have run off on my own.

You know, column a or b. Both are valid.

[faint beacon]

Hate crime against sharks

[drowsy aspen]

Yea I was pretty shocked to learn Stealth is actually a great utility

Especially vet stealth

[near abyss]

Can anyone give me a talent tree for helbore? I haven't touched Vet in months and whatever I had has been reset

[crude citrus]

accatran laspistol. exhilarating takedown or confirmed kill?

[tall torrent]

Confirmed kill is the best toughness gain talent for veteran

[crude citrus]

even if i can click heads really fast with accatran?

[tall torrent]

Do u have ghost on ur laspistol

[crude citrus]

dum dum/infernus currently. thinking of switching out inferno

[tall torrent]

Definitely go for that

[crude citrus]

dum dum/ghost?

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s the best combo rn

[crude citrus]

tyvm

[tall torrent]

Maybe post-patch we’ll see concentrated fire in competition vs dum dum

[crude citrus]

deadshot or no?

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t personally

My hot take is that deadshot is copium incarnate

[crude citrus]

seems like most career vets dont like it

mb i am coping

[tall torrent]

I’d say go reciprocity if u feel like u need extra crit chance

But even that is optional

It depends on how much ur engaging with right branch

[crude citrus]

opinion?

born leader > for the empror

[tall torrent]

this is what I use for my laspistol

I don’t think u need survivalist for it most of the time

[crude citrus]

Huh interesting. I basically never build like that if i intend to use ranged and not just 80% melee

Imma try it

No crit node either?

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity

[crude citrus]

right

[tall torrent]

This build is like

60% melee 40% ranged

I don’t rly play pure ranged builds on veteran

If I wanted to play ranged build I go Psyker

[crude citrus]

i play zealot when i feel like meeleing

mb if i pair it with shovel itd be funny

[storm crane]

On my veteran I've been struggling to find a good skill tree. I like to crowd clear with melee but shoot down elites and specialists. Just need to find a tree keeps me alive to do that and what weapons and relics to use. Any help welcome. Please DM me with ideas so we can chat one on one it's easier for me

[tall torrent]

Sure

[last parcel]

the next morning, path wakes up in an ice bath and notices he is missing a liver

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259582491086422017/1284320342373957722/Screenshot_2024-09-13_205136.png?ex=66e63407&is=66e4e287&hm=fd334a45ba19d2e04d68a5732a6900f349f2d8e7cb6e6d1d73ea36af1d091519&

Took a while to complete

[last parcel]

bro is cooking

[tall torrent]

I have no idea how Duelling Sword mk2’s light atk works and it’s annoying

Ok nvm I figured it out

Why does it have a light attack where u strike twice

Ok nvm it’s not strike twice it just chains stupidly fast

[radiant chasm]

i actually quit trying to farm tonight

it's mental breaking to speedrun a map

only for a level 15 to launch themselves off a cliff

[tall torrent]

He’s not responded yet idk

[last parcel]

[radiant chasm]

at the finale

[last parcel]

then you say fuck it and go to aurics only for the level 900 psyker to do the same thing

[radiant chasm]

i just want rev it up 4

so i can have 100 mastery for my chaxe

😢

[thin stone]

Is the weapons specialist a must have? Along with ammo refilling node?

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-sad-crying-wipes-tears-wiping-tears-gif-24991919

[radiant chasm]

depends on the weapon

[thin stone]

Oppossum

[thin stone]

Autoguns or Recon Lasgun

[radiant chasm]

weapon specialist is a nice alternative to focus target and gives more melee power, but not every weapon wants or needs ammo refill extension

[thin stone]

Graia, Columnus, VId, VIIa

[radiant chasm]

i wouldn't run it with either of those

revolver, shotguns, dbarrel

[thin stone]

I see

[radiant chasm]

autoguns and recons reload manually pretty fast

[thin stone]

So you need just weapons specialist

What about the ogryns and monstrosity node?

[radiant chasm]

i wouldn't say need but yes

don't use executioner stance and weapon specialist

[thin stone]

I use VoC + Weapons specialist

[radiant chasm]

not until the 26th. you can't swap weapons and keep your stance currently

[thin stone]

I see

[radiant chasm]

oh that ogryn node

[thin stone]

Yeh at the bottom of middle part

[storm crane]

Thank you. Send me a dm

[tall torrent]

I already did

[faint beacon]

Its funny cause I did Auric Damn matches with 0 intent to like get Dream team and I got 3 flawless matches in a row

istg dude its babysitting with new players when you're farming Dream Team

[grim scroll]

What are solid blessings for a chainsword? I only take the thing out if I'm saving ammo or dealing with hordes. I just want to click and carve up baddies.

[tall torrent]

Savage sweep, shred, rampage

Bloodletter is ok on mk4 for elites

[tawny badger]

weapons specialist I’d recommend

the ammo refilling node less so, unless you’re running weapons where a single shot can do a lot like the revolvers or DB shotgun

[tall torrent]

don't u just need 70~80% of a weapon's blessing pool to max its mastery

[inland orchid]

very cool

[edgy dew]

Hello, been away for a minute, is this good? https://i.gyazo.com/b9f3f99268c3ef836931d808ad202e74.jpg replace stamina and rev it up?

[last parcel]

yeah, quite nice

[edgy dew]

Im not used to different types of chainswords, anything meaningful to know about the types?

[uncut pebble]

The mk4 is considered to be the "better" of the two, you need to swing heavies with it.

The mk13 is the light spam one.

[edgy dew]

ah okay, thats the one for me then, light attacks feel better, clickity click click

[last parcel]

one thing to note about 13g lights is that they have less cleave than mk4 heavies, so wrath is better than savage sweep for them
the stronger combo for mk13g is push attack --> (light --> heavy) loop since it has enough cleave to activate rampage/savage sweep on its own but i cba to do it

[edgy dew]

will rampage/savage sweep just not proc at all from 12 left clicks or just harder to activate?

13*

[last parcel]

when a bunch of bruisers show up, the lights just don't have enough cleave to proc them

and anecdotally, the lights are iffy about keeping them active even when you get it started

[crude fiber]

theyre adding some blessings to several weapons and tiers 1-4 for every blessing i believe. Will inflate the blessing pools and make you need to gamble for more blessings for some weapons im sure

[last parcel]

the entire point is that you don't need to gamble though. just play the game and get mastery to unlock them

[crude fiber]

not sure about how long itll take to level weapons up. depending on how many materials you have it might be worth it to gamble if theres a decent amount of blessings missing

[topaz lance]

Planning to go full double barrel sicko mode with this after the patch drops:

Even got one point left for which I'm not sure what to spend it on.

[earnest bone]

can pick a chest bonus for the team or toughness gen

[tame lodge]

Deadshot ?!‽

[thin stone]

Oui

[topaz lance]

Deadshot with the DB? Sounds weird

[tame lodge]

You have it

[earnest bone]

oh yeah, WS already 100%

[topaz lance]

I thought about that, but I'm selfish hehe. No it seems a bit redundant with demo stockpile

[tame lodge]

💀

[earnest bone]

so you have 2 points

[topaz lance]

Oh fugg haha

[earnest bone]

available

[topaz lance]

I didn't mean to select deadshot

lol

Is determined worth it?

[earnest bone]

with 2 points

go for CDR (cooldown reduction)

here

[thin stone]

Is Survivalist better or should I go with fire team to save points

[topaz lance]

does DB have built in supression immunity lke the combat shotties?

[thin stone]

Since I want to use VoC + Krak Grenade

[topaz lance]

That's an idea!

[thin stone]

Anyone?

[earnest bone]

Does it? @slow sky

[slow sky]

you assume im holding my db in my hands for more than 0.5 seconds

i have no idea

[earnest bone]

Depends on your ammo usage and how much you spam ranged vs melee, but survivalist certainly heavily benefits the team.

It's not a requirement, i barely use it these days.

[crude citrus]

worth getting this from melk and flakiacing it?

[thin stone]

Does it stack with other veteran Survivalist

[earnest bone]

No

if you see a 2nd vet with it, you can change your build

[thin stone]

I see

[last parcel]

if you want to use an mg12 yes
opening salvo is good on it

[thin stone]

That gun is a little sus

[topaz lance]

I'll ned to test this. If it has, I think I'm gonna go with the CDR. IF not, I like determined honestly...

[crude citrus]

weapon customization mod

[thin stone]

Hax /s

[crude citrus]

with randomization enabled. you should see how pistols look like..

[earnest bone]

go with CDR first and check how it feels with just that

but with DB you dont need executioner stance tbh

[slow sky]

ive never had any suppression issues cuz i use it with weapon specialist

[earnest bone]

better to go with VoC

[slow sky]

i wouldnt use it with exe yeah

thats for higher uptime weapons

[earnest bone]

DB is quickswap king

and executioner stance

cancels if you swap a weapon

afaik

been awhile since i used it (for meme oneshots vs crusher packs)

[slow sky]

it does

[last parcel]

changing in the next update but yes

[topaz lance]

That's why I said after the patch

[earnest bone]

took FS long enough for this QoL

but that's great

i guess

[umbral flame]

haven't played in a few months is the vet=femboy meme still around

[earnest bone]

for +1 more free point

[earnest bone]

what's that

never heard about dis

[last parcel]

no but i'll bring it back

[earnest bone]

[topaz lance]

I am also assuming that Exe STance will finally be triggering Weapon Specialist

which it did not last time I checked

[umbral flame]

I got an incredible amount of enjoyment upon seeing your builds on gameslantern

using your grenadier krieg build with a few adjustments atm

[last parcel]

ngl i didn't know people read my builds

but glad to hear

[umbral flame]

reminder that vet is the only way to play

[earnest bone]

people are too busy

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4fa304-0b88-4cf8-827a-d0435327a8c3/zealot-meta-no-stealth

testing such amazingeh builds

like this one

[last parcel]

too acoustic
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bb19179-e1e1-4a36-bc40-42e0e0accf23/babbysitter-carry-zealot-short-and-simple-for-non-autistic-players

[earnest bone]

160 likes vs 7

outnumbered

[last parcel]

proof that warhammer players are acoustic

not that we needed any but still

[earnest bone]

darn this guy updated it 1 week ago with more trolling stuff

in talents

[balmy flume]

Well good luck getting all the penance points…

[topaz lance]

Penance points are for nerds and Emperor botherers anyway

[balmy flume]

Heh.

[steep vault]

the loyalist moebian drip...

[thin stone]

can someone link me a good veteran build plox

using autogun/recon lasgun

• power sword

I'll wait

[trail totem]

blessed by melk?

[red robin]

So uh

[umbral flame]

who cares

[red robin]

I got a run n gun and terrifying barrage double barrel build on my WS infiltrate build

Kinda fun running into the enemy back line and blasting them

It is ultra embarrassing to go down when I do tho

Mr liability

[umbral flame]

old clip and only malice but shredder vet is so much fun

[thin stone]

Anyone?

[red robin]

Uh

Play around with weapons and abilities

That’s what I do

I’m using a standard shovel with skullbreaker and take a swing with weapon specialist giving me 20% stamina and -25% stamina cost reduction on my push attacks so I can maintain take a swing all the time in a horde

Not optimal but I have fun with it

Also, does skullcrusher damage amp function as a buff for you or is it team wide?

Also does it apply to ranged weapons

[last parcel]

it's a debuff so it should apply to everyone's attacks

[red robin]

Yoo

What a goated blessing

The standard shovel has a neat combo with the special into push attack

The special and push put 8 stacks with the headshot swing having a juicy hit

I know uncanny is a million times better and efficient but I like upfront damage on anything I want to fight

Except carapace

Y’all can clown me on that

[balmy flume]

So long as you do not care about it, it’s fine

[uncut pebble]

You do know you can run both uncanny and skullcrusher, right?

[red robin]

Yeah

But I like headshot damage

Regardless if it’s dogshit

I don’t play aurics with these sub optimal builds

Just reg damnation quick plays

I just like the idea of the standard shovel having 125% bonus weakspot damage on top of its hard hitting push attack that goes hard on headshots

30% precision strikes + 10% perk + 60% blessing + 25% desperado

[frank ether]

standard shovel is neat

[red robin]

If I wanted to kill things with a shovel I’d use the mk 7 with uncanny and skullcrusher for the one pop on anything

[frank ether]

I mean

you could do that on the old shovel too

[red robin]

Yeah but it doesn’t have 125% weakspot

I don’t want to use uncanny

[frank ether]

why not

uncanny-skullcrusher easy uptime

[red robin]

Because I am a free thinker and choose to be sub optimal

Don’t worry, I won’t be in your auric games

[frank ether]

shovel is a comfort weapon if I am to use it I will do it in the most cozy way lol

[frank ether]

nah dont think like that

its more fun when people bring wacky stuff

[red robin]

Inshallah

[umbral flame]

are the other shovels a semi-recent addition or have they always been in game and I'm just dumb

[red robin]

Standard shovel has always been there

The mk 3 and mk 7 are additions that have a special where you can pick axe into armor really good

[frank ether]

I actually dont have too much experience with the fold shovels

I didn't really like them personally

the fold feels gimmicky and not as satisfying as push attack spamming on standard shovel

but I'll pick it up again for variety sake

[red robin]

If you don’t have an answer for carapace and you don’t like slow mobility of the power sword, the folding shovel does work

The mk 7 shovel has good horde clear with decimator and good heavies

It’s special procs skullcrusher on a 2 proc hit of the special

Thing is tho you can’t dodge out of the impale

I think

But the thing you hit is stunned/staggered

Mk3 shovel kinda got bad attack combos

Also uncanny is super redundant with the special attack

Bro already spiking the head

Thinking abt it

Uncanny would probably pop the head without being locked into the pull out damage

And probably make the pull out do more damage at 0 stacks

Same with thrust also

Idk it has options ngl

[frank ether]

there do be options

[oblique totem]

Degenerates, the lot of you.

[thin stone]

fr

[fringe mica]

hey guys is godwyn weapon good? kinda new to the game

[oblique totem]

Godwyn? Is that a name for a weapon?

[fringe mica]

godwyn bolt gun

[thin stone]

oh lol

Yeh bolt gun is good

[last parcel]

bolt pistol

[thin stone]

depends on the rolls

[oblique totem]

Ah. Well to answer, all weapons are viable, it's more about what your style is.

[last parcel]

bolt gun is locke

[fringe mica]

cuz i hear that the boltgun is outshined by PG so i was wondering about that one

[oblique totem]

For a new player? I'd suggest an infantry lasgun or Infantry autogun as they're sort of the baseline.

[fringe mica]

I've been rocking stub revolver

shreds

[oblique totem]

If you're doing good with it, I'd say keep at it.

[fringe mica]

okok and is there a farm for plasteel and diamantine? or is just to play quickplay at the highest level i can

[oblique totem]

Honestly I have no idea. I just play matches and collect as I go. After a while you just accumliate plenty so it's not really a problem

[fringe mica]

aight bet ty

[last parcel]

yeah that's basically it. keep an eye (and ear) out for the glowing green icons since you can hit them to earn plasteel

and you don't have to worry about spending any of it until level 30 since you won't get good base weapons until then

[fringe mica]

Very nice ty

[frank ether]

just gotta spam quickplays

and actually farm the maps

[fringe mica]

But there’s a lot of speedrunners

And they get mad when I take too long

Or I get killed because of a hound and everyone is dropped down

[earnest bone]

• if 3 people are ahead and you are ended somewhat far behind, that's to be expected (people yelling)
• if you feel like you are always behind, that's probably because you are wasting too much time killing trash mobs or something (collecting resources?)
• you can kinda avoid all of that if you go with a Stealth build, as you can easily rejoin the team, reposition if backed into a corner or help a downed teammate.
  As for farming - normal Damnation missions via Quickplay i guess is da way. As you get better at the game (and better build/weapons), your clear speed and resource collect speed will improve drastically.

[severe gale]

then you’re usually the one being slow, speed runners are rare

the director in darktide will punish you for taking to long in an area

with more special spawns

you have to keep moving

most people are trying to get a mission done in 20-25 minutes

[neon imp]

also always knock down idols if you can, getting all 4 on a damnation adds 200 plasteel to the pile. They're never really out of the way so they're easy nabs if you know where to look

[radiant chasm]

Yes 70-80% of blessings or all t3 and t4 blessings

[somber axle]

The important part is to match the pace of the match. If the party is overall moving through a level without trouble at speed, it's better to match that speed even if it means ignoring side paths for potential resources

If a party is struggling and trying to speed through segments they'll naturally hit the roadblock of elites and specials sandwiching them, and you'll need to be prepared to help them when they fall headfirst into the noose they've been looping around their neck at record speed

Either they'll slow down and adjust to the threats or fall and be forced to stop to let you deal with things

But always try to keep pace with the party overall

one person sprinting off is not the party overall

one person remaining behind is not the party overall

If they bite off more than they can chew don't try to swallow the mess they made all at once

[balmy flume]

It’s a fine balancing act, especially in PUGs

But in essence, play the maps enough, you start to get an innate sense of how the AI director “divides” the map mobs

And you, too, will develop a sense of when you should hold back just a little in case things get dicey

And when to push hard

[lavish token]

Speedrunners are extremely rare on auric

[severe gale]

i don’t think i’ve ever seen one

am i the speed runner?

[solemn niche]

mass elite is not a big deal if you have kark granade or plasmagun

[somber axle]

whether it's a speed bump or a road block they're there to slow you down and burn resources to get through them

[solemn niche]

there is also plan B: enter stealth im sure the party will handle it somehow

[somber axle]

also idk about speedrunners in aurics tbh just people comfortable moving at different speeds

if you catch someone trying to be a speedrunner in an auric most times they're just unfamiliar with the difficulty and thinking faster means better so they fall on their face a lot

faster is better but only if you can handle it

[tame lodge]

Entering and leaving stealth so you can stagger everything for one second

[tough tiger]

Damn, ppl talk about keeping pace in pub games. Meanwhile on asian servers ppl just go fuck it we ball and not communicate at all

Either everyone knows what they're doing or no one knows whats going on

[lyric dock]

Entering Stealth and let them kill your psyker. Trust me guys this was a good plan at the time

[agile finch]

so like whats the actual gameplay differences between infantry and braced autoguns

me no understand

[earnest bone]

braced guns cant ADS, but have actual penetration on bullets and the blessings can be different between these two weapon classes (like IAGs favor crit)

[agile finch]

ahh i see

so braced is more for overpenning hordes then

?

[earnest bone]

perfect vs hordes with mixed-in elites

like ragers and maulers

[agile finch]

icic

[tall torrent]

Only Agripinaa mk8 has some noteworthy cleave

And still doesn’t go through melee elites

[earnest bone]

well columnus is mid, its just graia can only pierce

the trashiest of trash mobs

but its still works

[tall torrent]

Graia and Columnus have the same 1.5 cleave

U can go through a groaner and that’s it

Agripinaa mk8 is 3 cleave so you get to shoot through 1 human specialist or shotgunner

[earnest bone]

we can count the deathspitter also

so it goes at least to 2+

or not, im lazy to calc

32.5

1.98

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t reach 2+

1.98 allows u to go through like 1 shooter/stalker/poxwalker

It’s not such a huge difference compared to infantry Autoguns

[tame lodge]

Also Brautos have higher suppression value

[tall torrent]

Poxwalker is 1.5
Need 3+ to cleave through 2

Wait I might be remembering wrong

Got it mixed up with shooters & stalkers mb

[tame lodge]

Right, bring like a Helbore for single target and Brauto for horde, only picks ammo for brauto

Aw, I was about to bring 2 shotguns

[thorn lark]

Agri braced + deathspitter + fire frenzy + warp charges psyker. I feel it already.

[tame lodge]

There's also the peril cleave

Which I'm not sure if it'll apply to ranged

[tame lodge]

Yeah now you can go Exec and path towards melee

[thorn lark]

Warp Splitting
Up to 100% Cleave, based on Peril.

Hmmmmmm

[tame lodge]

Yeah unspecified

[thorn lark]

Exec weapon specialist viable then?

[tame lodge]

Agri brauto going 6 cleave does put a smile on my face

[thorn lark]

Chainaxe psyker will be demented too

Maybe bloodthirsty scryer will be viable

[tame lodge]

You'd probably have to swap to your ranged to proc WS then use Exec

[thorn lark]

True

[agile finch]

new scryers modifier also makes staff scryer not insanely wack

🙏🏼

[tame lodge]

But yeah
You can wallhax and get rid of ranged enemies while also going hard on melee

The hybrid class is even more hybrid

[agile finch]

i feel like i run out of ammo so often on vet

im normally a soyker player

having an ammo limit feelsbad

[tame lodge]

I'm craving for the new SG ngl

[agile finch]

its gonna be so much fun

[thorn lark]

If you just shoot to eliminate elites and specialists it's fine

[agile finch]

ive tried so hard to make staff scryer work

[agile finch]

see im also shooting to control shooters

but

idk if thats what i should be doing

😭

also do you guys run keystoneless ever

i only know how to talent for psyker i dont know shit on how to build a vet

[tall torrent]

Nah I still wouldn’t

[earnest bone]

so hard to sacrifice stealth tbh, makes objectives a solo breeze

[tall torrent]

Keystoneless is only ever worth for recon lasgun

Mainly because recon just has bad scaling with them

[earnest bone]

im still using WS for attack speed melee boost

15% is 15%

even tho ranged bonus is half-useless (can at least insta-max infernus stacks)

[uncut pebble]

Using shock maul and laspistol on a weapon spec build and holy crap this feels so good to use.

[agile finch]

is marksman focus actually good

[tall torrent]

Think disrupt destiny but it only works for ur gun

[uncut pebble]

Yes, but it's sort of hard to maintain.

Unless you're using something that wouldn't benefit from it much, like a ciag or recon.

[agile finch]

it just seems like keeping it up would be ammo hungy

[tall torrent]

Depends

[thorn lark]

yeah i did that for months and it was fine, now i am trying to uber optimize

[uncut pebble]

Depends on whether or not you're running shock trooper or survivalist.

You kind of have to have good ammo economy to make good use of the keystone.

[tall torrent]

It already works it’s just kinda weird to play

[agile finch]

yeah thats what i mean

very akward

awkward even

[tall torrent]

What guns are u mainly using

[thorn lark]

it's like using sg + assail

it feels wrong

[agile finch]

columnus infantry auto

but i think im gonna try out the boltpistol

[thorn lark]

like touching something very hot

[tall torrent]

I’d wait for update honestly

[agile finch]

i think its just cause my roll is shit so it takes so many bullets to kill things

[uncut pebble]

There's nothing wrong with that.

[agile finch]

but

idk

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol grenadier is top 5 build on veteran but needs specific roll stuff

[thorn lark]

it's like you

[agile finch]

lethal proximity with shredder frags right?

[thorn lark]

are at max peril with less than 10 shards

[uncut pebble]

Throw one only when you have true aim racked up.

[tall torrent]

Yea but u also need perks to get 1 tap breakpoints on gunner & flamer

And kind of Run&gun to make it feel good to play

[thorn lark]

i wish i had a better visual indicator

[tame lodge]

It's my personal must have when playing with the Aiag

[tall torrent]

Get crit chance, dum dum + deathspitter if possible

Also get crit chance talents (except deadshot)

[agile finch]

this is what i was running

with aiag

idk if its good or not 😭

[tall torrent]

I’d suggest several tweaks

Start off with confirmed kill instead of volley adept

[patent cedar]

whats the meta veteran build right now?

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver + Rashad combat axe

[patent cedar]

and perks?

and how do i get both of them weapons?

[tall torrent]

Get lucky
Or wait for the crafting update that’s coming in 12 days

[patent cedar]

get lucky from emporer?

[earnest bone]

get lucky removed as of Sep.26

[patent cedar]

last veteran build on youtube were like 7 months ago

[tall torrent]

Craft weapons urself

[patent cedar]

so looking fore high stats and good traits to begin with?

[tall torrent]

U need specific blessings for most weapons

That are RNG dependent as of now

[thorn lark]

youtube builds are kinda bad tbh

[lucid radish]

I hate that I like the headhunter auto gun, I should force myself to use the hellbore lasgun

[slow spade]

Just realized all the good vets I saw were randomly posted here in a convo

And never recorded anywhere lol

[tame lodge]

"Zelly thinks he's on the team"

[lucid radish]

I’m using a hellbore without the deathcorps outfit, I’m not even on the team☠️

[uncut pebble]

England.

[patent cedar]

what perks would i use for the zarona and the rashad combat axe?

[red robin]

Crucian/Surgical + Handcannon

[patent cedar]

what does that mean

[red robin]

Oooo

Perks

Carapace and Maniac

I can’t read

[tall torrent]

Zarona elite + maniac
Rashad unarmored + carapace

[uncut pebble]

You don't take crucian on the zarona.

[patent cedar]

have you got a screen shot of the entire 30 perk build at all ?

[uncut pebble]

Oh you mean talents.

[tall torrent]

Those are called talents

[patent cedar]

yes sorry kinda newish

[uncut pebble]

It's ok.

[red robin]

Try Weapon Specialist

Right side of the tree

[uncut pebble]

I literally just got off my pc but you want to do something with weapon specialist as your keystone.

The only auxiliary node you want to take is always prepared.

[patent cedar]

stick entirely to the right side yeah?

[red robin]

Ehh

[uncut pebble]

No, not necessarily.

[red robin]

You can mix and match from either side

[patent cedar]

could anyone help build one and show me to copy please?

[uncut pebble]

You can go kraks > kill team > voc > weapon spec.

[patent cedar]

i do like the flak grenade

[red robin]

Those help out

[tall torrent]

Put last point into whatever u like

[patent cedar]

thanks mate

[tall torrent]

There’s no flak grenade

There’s frag & krak

[patent cedar]

oh lmfao

krak then

[uncut pebble]

Kraks are the sticky ones.

[patent cedar]

yeah thats the one i like

[red robin]

Put the last point into reciprocity

[uncut pebble]

I would put the last point on this into rending strikes or reciprocity.

Meant to turn the ping off, sorry.

[tall torrent]

On an axe & revolver build, rending strikes is not necessary most of the time

[uncut pebble]

Actually yeah that's valid. Reciprocity it is, then.

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity is also kind of whatever for this set-up

It’s not laspistol

[elder fiber]

how much is reciprocity doing for surgical zarona or rashad here

[red robin]

Man

Would competitive urge be neat?

[tall torrent]

When ur debating comp urge as a luxury point u probably can grab better things

[uncut pebble]

Other choices are field improv, deadshot, or the ammo one on the left.

[red robin]

What’s so bad about it?

Oooo

Good point

Probably just take the ammo

[tall torrent]

It’s not “bad” it’s just “whatever I guess” a lot of the time

[red robin]

Mid

[uncut pebble]

Max critical bonus zarona is what, 21%?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[uncut pebble]

And vet has... 5% base?

[patent cedar]

what about 25 percent ammo for the extra skill point?

[uncut pebble]

Trying to figure out how much value you'd get out of deadshot.

[tall torrent]

Not bad, u can go for it

It’s up to preference at this point

[patent cedar]

thanks fellas

[slow spade]

Competitive Edge is such a weird skill

It never procs when you need it

[tall torrent]

Competitive Urge is hadron gambling but during missions

Roll well and you have near permanent 20% damage buff

Roll bad and u waste a talent point

[red robin]

True

It just counts towards your allies killing things?

[tall torrent]

Only ur allies’ kills can trigger it

[last parcel]

and THAT’S WHAT WE’RE ALL ABOUT WOOOOOOOOOO
ah fuck where’d all my dockets go

[tall torrent]

So if you’re killing too well, u don’t benefit

[red robin]

Ok nvm

[tall torrent]

U need to count on ur teammates to kill stuff for it to work in your favour

[red robin]

Literally worthless with my manstopper DB

[tall torrent]

Which is why it’s like hadron gambling

If u end a game with ~600k damage while everybody else is ~300k you pretty much murdered yourself out of Comp Urge uptime

[red robin]

Yeah

Nvm

Dogshit talent

[tall torrent]

If it had a more reasonable proc condition it’d be fine

[uncut pebble]

It would be great if it could benefit from your kills, or at least had like a stacking % chance to proc.

[tall torrent]

Cool concept on paper but it’s just sorta inconsistent

[tame lodge]

So in theory (and if I'm lucky) if I have a decent soulblaze psyker on my team.......

Interesting

[tall torrent]

Theoretically works if you’re purposefully not killing enemies set on Soulblaze and play in duos

Practically doesn’t usually work out because Psyker Soulblaze’s visual effect is like exe stance highlight on steroids

[tame lodge]

suffering from success.png

[wise fossil]

I have never had as many inputs eaten as I have in the past week

like sometimes a whole second or longer of weapon swaps or heavy melee attacks gone

hit detection is also complete ass right now

2 meters away from enemies and my laspistol misses rager body shots

goes straight through them

[steep vault]

hey lads

how's survivalist looking

[tame lodge]

Depends on the weapon but still S tier

[steep vault]

good to see

a while ago it got nerfed hard right

[radiant chasm]

went from SSS+ tier to S+ tier

[lyric dock]

It's still really good. Just no longer let you play entire maps without picking up some ammo pick ups

And you won't be silently judged for not running it

[tall torrent]

Outside of a few weapons & builds, it’s no longer a necessary inclusion

[lyric dock]

Still better to run most of the time as the other 2 auras Vet has don't give any real insane value outside of some extremely rare breakpoints with fire team meager 5% damage bump

[radiant chasm]

movement speed is good and has good pathing

it's a very subtle effect tho

[steep vault]

yeh I've been running movement

[lyric dock]

I guess better access to the right side of Vet's tree without getting to heavily taxed

[red robin]

i really like the 10% movement speed on a 80% mobility combat blade

[last parcel]

crackhead speed

[magic trout]

Mostly shine on ammo eater weapons like bolter, braced AG, Infantry AG, Bolt pistol aside from those weapons its not so necesary
For las weapons you have shock trooper perk

Any advice to complete 250 kills with crit/weak spot using weapon specialist keystone penance?

[crude fiber]

High crit weapons like knife or just get 3 stacks of ranged and use revolver

[lyric dock]

Not really. Play Auric missions for more Elite and Specialist spawns. Use weapons with high natural crit rates like the Revolver and shoot heads

[magic trout]

Does melee kill also count?

[lyric dock]

Yeah

It's one of those play passively and you'll get it within a few games

[steep vault]

knife revolver

or knife braced

[magic trout]

i've been doin damnatio/auric/maelstrom but i kill a lot but the count only count like 3-5

[steep vault]

I've been doing knife braced

[steep vault]

the crit only counts on activation

so you gain enough keystone stack, switch weapon and start critting

[magic trout]

wdym?

[lyric dock]

I was getting about 40-60 per match when I doing it. Revolver does a lot since it can cleanly 1 tap shit letting you get a bit more milage from Range specialist

[steep vault]

that's the only way that counts

[steep vault]

the crits kills only count when you activate the keystone ability

so normal crits while only using knife don't count

[magic trout]

now i get it 🤔

[steep vault]

you need to kill w/ ranged, close in and start stabbing

[magic trout]

Thanks

[magic trout]

so thats why didnt count the kill with lucius 🤔

[lyric dock]

It has to during the short window the buff is active

[steep vault]

FINALLY

the riposte I need

[steep vault]

yeh

[lyric dock]

The revolver is generally great because it's quick to pull out and fire

Slower weapons will make the challenge harder for no reason

And if you don't care for getting Melee specialist kills. Equip a good horde clear melee like the Power sword to quickly get Range specialist stacks whenever you see a Elite and/or specialist. Switch the revolver and pop some skulls

Focus down elites and specialists you can 1 tap consistently to squeeze out as many kills you can during the short window the buff is active.

[frank ether]

big projectile, quick swap, small aim cone, no sway etc etc

[hollow warren]

This is good, right?

[uncut pebble]

Mk3...

Other than the icky bayonet attack, yeah, it's good.

[tame lodge]

Yes it's good

[red robin]

damnn

looking dolid

solid

dolid

[hollow warren]

yeah, I don't like that bayonet attack either

whoever thought that a downward slash is how you use a bayonet?

[tame lodge]

I like it

With that being said

Wouldn't use on a bayo only challenge

[uncut pebble]

It's ok, after the 26th you'll be able to change the model. No more icky bayonet attack!

[hollow warren]

noice

[tawny badger]

In the 41st Millenium,

[tall torrent]

it's worse to run most of the time because the other auras have better pathing and most builds just don't need it

[agile finch]

wait really

i know this is like an hour later but

how tf do you not run out of ammo without it

[last parcel]

use your melee weapon against poxwalkers

[agile finch]

i do

i only shoot ranged enemies or specialists/elites

i still run out

😭

[austere mica]

I run several fairly ammo intensive builds without survivalist

Never go into orange

[agile finch]

might just be aim skill issue and or bad weap rolls

since it takes more shots to kill when you have garbage guns

[austere mica]

What gun are you using

[agile finch]

boltpistol mostly rn

but i dont have the blessing to hit some 1/2 tap breakpoints

[austere mica]

Yeah you don’t really shoot at trash with that

[agile finch]

when i say ranged enemies i mean ranged enemies across the room

id rather just walk up and stab them

[austere mica]

I don’t shoot at trash with anything with a reserve lower than like 200 unless I need to

[agile finch]

but

idk

[last parcel]

for bolt pistol onetaps it's more about having maniac and elite/unarmored perks

[austere mica]

I just run at ranged trash and stab them

[agile finch]

do you not take flak on it

am i insane

i have maniac/flak on mine

also thought you needed puncture to hit certain bps?

[austere mica]

I have Cara elites

Does everything I need to

[agile finch]

i think i may be a fool

[last parcel]

i mean if you want to oneshot dreg gunners you need elite or unarmored. scab gunners already die

[austere mica]

Including oneshot crushers

Very silly

[last parcel]

and puncture is only needed if you don't run many ranged damage boost talents

[agile finch]

ohh

so like for weapon specialist

or

idk im very new to vet still

[austere mica]

My bistol build is left tree

[agile finch]

yeah i take left as well

[last parcel]

if you're picking up focus target or something you won't need puncture

[agile finch]

wait so if you dont take survivalist which aura do you go

middle?

[austere mica]

And can onetap a crusher with 10 stacks MF and exe stance

[last parcel]

does that include executioner's stance? because you don't even need perks for onetaps with that and it'd just be an aim issue

[agile finch]

yeah i take stance

i mean outside of it

it onetaps almost everything in it

outside of carapace and like.. mutants

will probably put elite on it instead of flak

[tall torrent]

Learn material spawns

[agile finch]

true true

btw do you need grenade tinkerer with kraks

outside of like monstros

[tall torrent]

No, but it boosts monster damage a lot

[agile finch]

well the other option going into the +5% dmg aura isnt very good so

guess ill just take it

not a bad thing to have

so like would this be good for boltpistol then

[austere mica]

I would swap the highlight shooters to highlight ogryns and the 15 stacks to generate while still/crouching

Also swap ogryn damage for rending

[tall torrent]

I wouldn’t tbh

[steep vault]

what's the dump on plasma gun

[red robin]

How broken would run and gun be if there was a 0.5 window after running

[steep vault]

just got Gets Hot IV

[red robin]

I just want the double barrel right click to have that close damage

Also I wish there was a reload while sprinting talent or blessing

I just want to be scout from tf2 and have a even moreso movement shooter

Or even to get close damage on slides too

[steep vault]

does rn n gun not include that

or am I hallucinating

[red robin]

Does it?

It just allows shooting whilst sprinting

[last parcel]

it does in payday 2 but not darktide

[red robin]

Payday 2 my beloved

Another fun movement shooter with dodge

[tame lodge]

Full Sprint Backwards just because

[steep vault]

ah

alr ty for correction

[shy rose]

Recon Lasguns the slow high damage one or low fast one or the medium?

The slow one has the advantage to not drain your ammo so quickly... which is great!!
But its alot worse for horde clear

Mhmm i wanted to go for the medium one but the medium one randomly has just 200 less total ammo

[radiant chasm]

if you care about horde clear just get the 7a cause it has a bit of cleave

[shy rose]

Oooh thats the high damage one then thanks for the info

Well i care about both but horde clear is kinda nice to have on a gun

using the fast one now and it does really well with that

but thats just a random one i found

[tall torrent]

Maybe don’t rely on a gun for horde clear

[shy rose]

I already have a melee focussed vet build

i want a ranged focussed vet build

And thus rely on a gun to horde clear

also lots of guns that are great at that

[tall torrent]

Do urself a favor and just play Psyker at that point

[shy rose]

DO yourself a favor and let people play the game how they want to play

[red robin]

God the game would be so disorienting

[shy rose]

also i have all 3 all max level

[tall torrent]

U can try recon lasgun magdump vs horde but u will need a lot of ammo

[red robin]

Ur so real for that

Variety is the spice of life

[shy rose]

and the beauty of this game is making your builds and see if you can get them to work

[red robin]

TRUE

[shy rose]

i mean with the ammoboost i have a 1000 ammo

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/pim-scream-gif-11745587167248793422

[shy rose]

ill be fine

[red robin]

I LOVE BUILDS AND GIMMICKS TO ORIENT ON!!!