#veteran-class
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recon lasguns are currently really good
man imma be cooking some nutty builds with one spare point from relentless being a free point
** + + B E H O L D, I M B E C I L E S + +**
ikr I have two and a half brazilian half baked meme tier weapons just chomping at the bit
I never tried Exe stance with laspistol, I'm too comfy with VoC
I spend so much time giggling about what I want to do with it I still haven't fully gone through all my old blues and melted the 1s and 2s for whatever the currency in the update is called
executioners stance is like, crippling with no mobility
las pistol removes that
i just dodge away and blast the people who want to knock me out of it
i cant seem to not tunnel vision with exe stance so VoC always leads me to performing better
that's with marksmen focus too
it's crazy how high fire rate weapons excel with those talents
while the rifles suffer
yeah the free movement on weakspot hit/kill lasts for a surprisingly long time
I usually dip strong into the melee talents whenever I go laspistol, should be interesting to do a more ranged-centric one soon-ish
I'm too addicted to devil's claw parrying to go full ranged
Chaos Spawn, ragers, Rinda, daemonhosts? Just parry 👏
Couple with the +melee finesse and +weakspot damage talents vet has? Big money
its for team support that focuses on tunnel vision and born leader
power di tracked born leader healing over 112k toughness in my last match
Oh, try a Kantrael heavy laspistol, that thing deals nearly 1000 damage on flak crit headshots
It's actually incredibly effective at bodyshotting maulers, too
true true
i just like the higher finesse curve on the mk 2 las pistol
marksmen focus eats it good and crits wallop
True, but that really drops off on maulers with their carapace heads is what I've found
I'd strongly recommend switching reassure to ghost, especially since you are already going deadshot/dnd
just pointing out confirmed kill will probably end up giving more toughness to ur team than the aura boost from charismatic will
Just letting you know, there's a large drop in potential trying to give teammates very small amounts of toughness
confirmed kill is very good as it stacks the toughness over time

I am not playing the game so what people build is no longer my concern 
the stat roll on that laspistol is very nice btw
Kantrael pistol crits ough
when the 0 recoil gun has a recoil modifier
The fucking maniac damage going from 156 to 703 is just augh
This thing is gonna fuck when I can change the perks
This is one of the earliest weapons I actually got when playing the game, got very lucky with my emperor's gift
Fun trivia: it's the same weapon used in this image https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1101571731493224599/THISSONOFAKARKERpixel.png?ex=66e134df&is=66dfe35f&hm=c259379ca97bf949bfa192b95ba4d3721d18ba143c3a1648153b4f28deea5dcd&
I wanna see how a triple rending buff with infernus goes
Chink in their armor + rending strikes + onslaught
it's hella point hungry but I gotta see infernus go hog wild
Infernus is negligible at that point
Someone's been posting that rapid-fire recon with onslaught and just dumdum + deathspitter stacks against Crushers
yeah, idk what would survive 1-2 shots like that
It can kill like 8 of them in a single magazine
Yeah but that build relies on Recip + Crit perk + Crit talent to sustain itself with Shock Trooper
Very playstyle dependent imo because Recip is very strong but only if you're maintaining stacks
And if you're not juggling Recip stacks through a fight your crit is pretty low
Eh, shock trooper doesn't provide that big of a boost for recons, from what I've seen
ive never had to consciously keep reciprocity up whilst using it to maintain ammo efficiency with the mk vid
azrael
You might even be able to forgo shock trooper in favor of just the ammo regen from survivalist, given the huge ammo amount recons have
just dodging ambient attacks has been enough to maintain the gun for me
It's mainly just to extend your ammo lifespan tbh. Without Shock Trooper you'll run orange/red ammo frequently
With Shock Trooper you'll be able to use your Recon through most of an Auric
Well, that depends on how much you like shooting it
True, true
I haven't actually tried recons in auric yet
Recons have crit strings, so your effective crit rate is boosted very substantially
It's a big difference in actual ammo efficiency
Surv Aura is nice but isn't nearly as good as Shock Trooper
I think this is my current best recon weapon
Yeah I prefer Headhunter immensely tbh LOL
It has lower value if you maintain high stacks of Recip but it's more fun to have a blessing that encourages aiming heads
Less damage but it's crit you can more easily control
my crusher shredder 5000
During my limited time using it, I found reci to only really stack when I was getting hit in melee.
"hit"
oh hey, I forgot I did roll one of those too
Dodging hits in melee
The general rule is that Headhunter will have more value if you don't take Recip, and it still provides solid value if you're not able to juggle stacks consistently throughout a match
Azrael was saying you can get stacks from generic shooters but every time I'm in a match and dodge shooters it doesn't appear to proc
i take recip for funny knife shenanigans so im rarely without it
But you really know what I'm going to whip out next patch? This badboy
You can get multiple stacks at once but it's still a playstyle dependent thing because if you're a backline fighter you're getting very little value out of Recip vs someone who rushes into the fray to be in the thick of things needing to dodge regularly and trigger Recip
You can, I've done it in the psyk. But it seems to be more particular compared to dnd.
I know it's no Columnus, but I love the Agri anyway
It's very finnicky and not nearly as clear cut and dry as he says it is
Recip proccing on shooters is temperamental LOL
the Agri is a close second to the columnus, it has very nice cleave on horde as well
Sometimes it just decides it doesn't feel like it
Az states that hh on average gave him about 3-5% effective crit rate, but that's anecdotal.
Effective range is way longer as well, only problem is it really hates suppression
It's also because he takes 5% crit perk, 5% crit talent and he's also much better than the average person at stacking/maintaining Recip
The higher your crit, the lower value you get off HH
I also take 5% crit perk and 5% crit talent 
But didn't use reci because it sugg against ranged units
thats probably the best takeaway from it tbh, the way HH resets on crit
I've toyed with the funny build he recommended but I'm always sad not seeing HH stacking when I aim head height
so perhaps that's my issue
He's also said that if you were already going to crit then HH did nothing but like how is it possible to know whether or not HH caused the crit to proc vs not
It's probably better value if you can consistently kill things in the activation range, and also if you aren't cracked at aiming
The extra stacks of HH may have caused the crit to occur where it wouldn't have otherwise
Is the 5% perk and talent good on fully automatic las weapons like the recon?
I just realised the Kantrael laspistol deals as much damage on a crit flak headshot as the agrippina revolver, lmao
But mid on the las pistol?
i suppose if ur consistently proccing HH at 2 stacks then its indicative ur not getting the full value from it
I'd say so yeah but I wouldn't go out of my way to get 5% crit talent if I'm left tree on Exe Stance
Because the recon has like chained crits in a string
Only due to shocktrooper and the recon having crit strings. 5% crit perk is generally a good take for laspistol iirc.
Too expensive
I’m punching the air
If you're Fire Team + VoC or Close and Kill + Infil it's an easy pick up on the way down
More crit on laspistol is always optimal
And VoC is the norm for a lot of Vets so it's very easy to pick up 5% crit talent
We are so back
On the faster firing one
It's a crit weapon
Laspistols might be pretty funny after the update
I always took the crit perk and crit talent on it
Infinite ammo laspistol soon maybe...
not making it up when we say 2/3 of its damage comes from finesse lol
If you go weapon specialist, all lasweapons will be infinite ammo pretty much 
I usually bring my Surgical helbore mk3 into Scab melee only maelstroms too
I'm not sure how many stacks it's proccing at but 2 stacks is +10% for the low effort of aiming head height while magdumping
Just that Azrael has reported his build with Recip is getting very little value from HH
I’ll probably make a real las pistol that ain’t a meme and make a ghost and desperado one
He was saying with 5% crit talent, 5% crit perk and Recip his crit rate hovered around 38% I think?
Adding in HH only pushed it another 3-5%
Blunderbuss
yeah kinda hard to say, also given how fast the VId fires even if u go 2-3 shots without crits before ur next string of crits goes off i wonder how much % increase ends up affecting it in real terms
It is pretty funny seeing how effectively the Recon Mk VId chews through crushers after the update though LOL
I should go back to testing it in live matches with and without Recip with Headhunter to see how different the crit rate is
But Space Marine 2...
its 100% meme material for a las weapon being one of the best armour shredders
I think he's said that Recon Mk VId is #2 Vet weapon now? Which is kinda wild unless I'm mistaken
wont be surprised if the new plasma blessings push it back down tho
energy leakage just seems busted imo
But I for sure remember him saying he's played through entire auric matches both quickplay and solo leaning on the Recon Mk VId for 95%+ of a match and being able to almost entirely ignore melee which he can't do with any other weapon
i can confirm that, ive been running a very similar build
Zarona is for sure his #1 so it'd be really funny if the SotMG changes pushed Recon Mk VId over Plasma and CIAG
Also it's wild how much cooler Cadians are in a game when they're not whining all the time

ive never noticed them whining a whole lot, are there certain personalities that are worse for it?
The cadian personality keeps complaining about Cadia being destroyed
"Places like this endure, while Cadia's destroyed. Where's the justice in that?"
"ARE YE GOING TO WHINE ALL DAY?"
Him whining is pointed out by other characters a fair amount, so it's a deliberate thing done by the writers
The female cadian has been less talkative due to not having as many lines, but they added a ton earlier this year, I haven't seen as much whining from her though
She canonically tries to make herself as stinky as possible until someone points it out though
I think there's a similarity between the Cadian and the Loose Cannon in that both have experienced loads of trauma, it's just that the Cadian's is a lot fresher and their response is to go 110% into vengeance mode, while the LC adopted a more "who gives a shit anymore" devil-may-care approach
"If everyone was hardcore military badasses following the regulations and cultivating intense hatred we wouldn't be where we're at right now" vs. "You did that already, so following the regulations doesn't seem to matter"
I love the writing around the LC, because their PTSD isn't immediately apparent from their dialogue
But then they hit you with the "Me? I should've died years ago, so I know I'm invincible" type shit
and other lines that reflect them losing faith in the Emperor, which puts their "Ammo? Maybe the Emperor does love me!" line in a different light
Both Vet Cutthroat personalities whine a LOT
And they both get mocked relentlessly for it by most of the other Darktide personalities for it too
They're probably just ashamed that they're Cadians in a penal legion
The ogryn bodyguard is sympathetic, and the seer psyker genuinely tries to help them overcome the trauma in some ways
I know by level 30 the Rejects are proper Inquisition Acolytes but still
"My beloved wants to tell you that what happened to Cadia wasn't your fault, he wants you to know that."
"I wish I could believe that."
I think there's a Cutthroat - LC exchange where the LC actually manages to get the Cutthroat to laugh
God I love the dialogue in this fucking game
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This seems like an EXTREMELY rare interaction
4 vets having a full conversation with each other
Male LC, Male Prof, Female LC and Male Cutthroat
Imagine how many other rare dialogue lines there are in the game that we don't see because the combos just don't appear
I think in the case of veteran groups there might be more lines like that than other groups
In part because there's a LOT of inspiration for the writers to work with, plenty of war movies focusing on squads with different banter, plenty of 40k books depicting different imperial guard squads and so on
i know all the vets have special interactions when at critical health
but in game ive heard only twice
They have plasma gun reload interactions as well
and sometimes comment on each others' preference for melee or ranged
I think Professional Fem Vet and Judge Male Zealot have a few lines flirting too
Prof Male Vet: "Should've ducked!" LC Male: "Oh, thanks! Here I am in mortal agony and thats all you can say?" Prof Male Vet: "Should've ducked ya fraggin idiot"
ahhh makes sense, ive only played a professional cadian, it doesnt seem to come up toooo much
"Trapper's retreating!"
"AND YOU'RE NOT SHOOTING HER BECAUSE?"
male judge and fem preacher have similar hints
i also enjoy the LC friendly fire
"hehe... oops!!!... hah!"
The female fanatic tells I think another zealot to close her legs
Or something along those lines
I am not liking the combat, it makes me sad
Hot
Imagine how bad she must smell if it's more noticeable than nurgle cultists
Actually no, don't
oh hey thats me
#literallyme
probably right time to post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLfRA_v_Fs4
Female cutthroat being her nihilistic self
0:00 - 1:58 Chaos and the Warp
1:59 - 2:52 Soldier life
2:53 - 4:21 Cadia
4:22 - 5:08 The Emperor
5:09 - 6:19 Atoma (the hive and gangs)
6:19 - 7:03 Abhumans
7:04 - 8:38 - Rejects
8:39 - 9:07 Sisters of Battle
9:08 - 10:13 Miscellaneous
cadians finally got lines i see
Yeah, the cadian female VO got a bunch of banter lines in the Secrets of the Machine God update
I sure hope its less about cadia
Rampage and Savage Sweep IIRC
The only class that even has anything close to full body is zealot, with that big solid torso piece.
Soon ™️
how do avoid the chaos spawn grab again
Usually to the right
Best part about taunt is it staggers out of any animation which is rad
wanna ask, what kind of perks are best for the rashad
Unarmored + Flak/Maniac iirc
here's my current rashad
already put unarmoured on just dont know what to replace the 2nd one
Shred to brutal
Shred to Brutal Momentum
Well, you're one brutal Momentum away from greatness
hope they add the hotshot lasgun and pistol at some point
We are?
DAMN YOU SLANESH
any mods broken?
True level maybe?
That breaks all the time.
yo vet chat
Rate this for me
its a challenge build so heads up
Lmao I’ll demo it sometime today
Open YouTube and blast this https://youtu.be/9o4LKzaMaOo?si=r-6UIKIM-UA9rbnC
the duality of man 😔
thx
you mispelled femboy closeted* men.
no
That's some Zealot main stuff right there...
true men wear kneesocks https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/ztl3t1/benjabim_shapeepee/
isn't Tanner a femboy and a Vet main?
idk, I'm just shitposting
tru, we dont claim him 🤮
first time I looked at the zealot channel it was all anime discussion so I figured it was safe to throw a jab at them
Vets are trans, Zealots are femboys, Psykers are gay, and Ogryns are non-binary
why did it take u this long to reply? 😔
Tanner had a nuclear take on your "uncanny" build 😔
Tanner is just a fuckin idiot who speaks loudly and repetitively with confidence
I actually lost me mind when he said" knife is good on carapace anyways"
Great player but absolutely massive ego
well damn, I guess I have to uninstall since I don't fit into your wildly inclusive categories
how could u? 😭
Knife is “good” vs carapace when you have enough crit, or using your PAs and heavies. But in the case of the latter, uncanny still provides a solid consistent boost your damage!
I can't deny my nature, it be how it be
Not only that, but uncanny affects your bleed (from talent, blessing, or shredder nades) and other dots and is always a consistent boost to your damage besides unarmored and infested
you Orcan't?
i'm so insanely used to lasguns that i can't use even the agri 1
Mfw uncanny effects Flak also, not just carapace
Agri 1 is goated
Tanner truly is a specimen that I want to study under a fucking Petri dish
mfw it works on maniac and unyielding even tho those aren't armor
Seriously?
I was sold on it working on Flak
i mean there is a ton like him, in gaming and in politics
That alone can get fucking annoying
and in a ton of careers
you have people who are competent, but they have very strong opinions, won't admit when they are wrong, and their prefered form of arguing is to repeat themselves louder and louder with insults mixed in
it's not bad but i'm used to the insane ammo economy of the infantry lasguns so when i do what i used to do on lassies but with the agri 1, i end up on 0 bullets
Honestly yeah, I’m in college for a political science degree and I experience this all the time
I used to be like that when I was younger but now I just state the reason why thing is like that and take notes if it’s something I actually didn’t know
It’s how I make stupid builds that work
Graia and Agri I like using, CIAG has been ruined for me cause of how stupid strong it is
i need a good graia
we’ll just blow it up and find a new planet to rename
I'm too burst firing pilled to enjoy Ciags recoil
i'm too negative recoil pilled to enjoy bullets
HHA mains 💪
I'm too recon pilled to bother rolling a ciag.
My honest Aiag 2.1 cleave oh shit this is a mixed horde time to panic shoot and stack Deathspitter and Marksman Focus reaction
Oh shit chaffe horde
Fires gun and deletes it
Lmao
Marksmen focus my beloved
I gotta use focus target more
I just like constant up time with MF or WS
Focus target is hella substantial for team play tho
Kill this man in particular
Reminds me of memes of rogue trader
“Abelard, destroy this man’s ball”
“As you request lord captain”
"We'll have to kill this guy "
"Grut me"
Man
Is the shooter highlight node on volleyfire skippable?
Just keep elite and special highlights?
Yeah, I just to see if single point invest into an ability is nutty
Considering relentless being baked in
yea, i think it is, if you have one of the weird weapons that isn't really effecient to be killing trash shooters but also not worth getting the ogryn one, but i don't think any guns are like that currently
unless youre on a really specialised build
It’s a dumb build that’s heavily specialized
That’s because the reload was hog wild
but imo you should always take shooters or ogryns depending on build
Yeah
The efficiency goes up with the reset
I barely get forced into melee with the las pistol with its mobility and push special
Like last resort I’ll push em
I gotta try the hellbore also
Demo a double rend build for sniping crushers
you only need 1 but double works too
it's also just a nice thing to kill trash shooters if your gun is good for it
I just like using the node on marksmen focus
for your zealot and ogryns
like nothing worse than a recon vet who doesn't use it for anti trash shooters
My success goes wildly up when I’m killing all the ranged units they can’t be bothered to fight
if you spraying it into horde instead of the dozens of scab stalkers you need to be put on the stake
🙂
I don’t believe in ammo efficiency and melee combat
Myths made by the powers that be
My favorite pub build for bad auric teammates is probably surgical mk2 helbore because its completely ammo independent with shock trooper, handles all the shooters and can also knife the ragers my teammates inevitably let through
Weight of Fire
I got a pretty solid helbore with elites and carapace on it with surgical and weight of fire
a pretty a pretty
On mk2 the other blessing is flexible as the base charge is fast enough
Mk1 and 3 do want weight of fire
I got the slow high damage one
I wanna run marksmen focus on it
But I think focus target would be better
Marksmen focus feels hard to manage on an immobile gun
Mk3 bayonet is ass, just do plasma or bolter if you want big damage ranged
I like fast paced gunplay and stationary gunplay is hard to avoid on guns that require aiming precisely
What is that bayonet?
The stab or slash?
It's the diagonal slash
Yikes
the bayonet poke is so good
Mk1 and 2 get the poke which is the one you want
Mk3's bayonet gets a lot of flak due to not being the overtuned quick stab one, but it gets a lot of use on my exec build
Yeah
That’s what I’m thinking abt
But the stab hits with some juice to it
Welp
It’s time to see what mods are borked
I’m punching the air
Also I would say take focus target over marksman focus in most cases, it'll serve you better and more consistently as long as you remember to mark targets most of the time
just dont rapid spam it
Yeah
I just ping what’s important
Like the dog on top of me that can be easily shot off
Gotta save ammo, lemme run a marathon so I can punch it
Another question, what gpu and consistent frame rate yall got?
I might start running no mods for a bit because man does it tank my fps by quite a bit
That is why it's certainly weak though
The main draw for the mk1 and mk2 is the pooke
And they're still good enough for exe mf
Any good veteran shotgun centered build out there?
Which shotty?
veteran has full body armor as well
space marine 2 tie in cosmetic when
power armor for the vet
doesn't need to give combat bonusses we're already there
where the space marine walks (40 shots to kill a single non chump enemy) the veteran sprints (literally killing heretics on accident when sneezing)
this is what i use
demo team over
fully loaded seems strange
though I've not used the hacker yet
the others are pretty intensely ammo limited
How good is that for specials?
And thanks for the build 🙂
takes like 2 shot mid range or you can shoot it once and you will probably stagger it for knife
Tbh I haven't really tried any so I'm open to experiment
wonder how much damage you can do with both of the barrels + exec stance + all the buffs for on power or weakspot hits
literally peak fiction
kiss me... k-k-kisss me heretics head explodes
Tallern Desert Raiders this Thursday
just keep in mind its very close range focus
I reckon hordes are the only problem?
knife is fine into hordes
not a problem
pretty good from my understanding
weapon specialist and knife my beloved
you have infnite cleave with shotgun when you crit with manstopper
hotswap classic
you think they're going to add more tiers for manstopper and flechette?
just relevel a zealot or vet to 20 or pysker to 19
I started leveling a psyker but
I'd already got each class to 30
literally twice with vet zealot and psyker
and then I was like
"why the fuck am I doing this a third time for one blessing for one build, I'm just gonna wait for crafting"
what do i do to this? just put power cycler and sunder on it?
I could get a better shotgun roll right? Also, mind sharing those knife stats? @frank monolith
yummy riposte
it's difficult to get at level 30 since your base ratings are so high, so the easiest way is to get a new character or camp the hourly shop
or just wait 16 days for itemization like a normal person
i love wasting my materials and dockets on something i should be banking for
||also asking for a friend do you guys know how to make it so the game doesnt lose audio/freezes since i get those alot and sometimes i just get pancake while fighting crushers or netted 9:31 (freeze) 15:15 where audio cuts off and comes back||
True
Level up a low level psyker
For DB if that’s what you’re doing
If it’s CB just do like Veteran
ye i got the new character and it took me like 7 rolls on hacker to get manstopper
Open settings and swap the audio to mono then swap it back
you set it aside and make a mk6 
just kiddin of course though I have no idea
i already have an mk 6
12% weakspot dont mean shit when 3% is like micro differences
yeah, i'd prefer light spamming over charging heavies
the increased weakspot damage is the token benefit, the main thing is being able to kill a bajillion extra things through cleave
there are literal cleave blessings
that give less cleave
i get hit so much without trench fighter drills
i wouldnt say weak, it has a different job. its not a general melee weapon sort of deal
the mk3 is about them heavies tho
look how far away enemies get the bleed stacks
But wait
me gambling all my savings
What else do you use the melee for
It can't pen carapace like the other bayonetts
Ya still shoot with it but it's slower

The other bayobetts on the other marks are just general purpose which is why it's so much better than the mk3's
Because they still dooo shoot
Hits the same targets as the mk3
I never understood the appeal of the hellbores. What does it do better than a revolver ?
Stab
infinite ammo
Also. Infinite ammo.
I mean if ur comparing them to the best gun on veteran then yea
you can rock the kriegs man drip in style with the helbore
they should give hellbores giga damage against unyielding to differentiate them from the revolver
But usually it’s ammo efficiency + sustained firing uptime
I never enjoyed the helsnores
At least when bayonet shenanigans existed they were funny to use
That's the Mk3 lmao
I like scrolling up and seeing shredders being shown off, they don’t know about the holy relic that is Bistol with LP
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Without LP is the first frag
Second frag is with
LP is THE grenadier blessing
Fun fact that’s without Grenade Tinkerer also 
So it only gets better
With grenade tinkerer it’s around 15m blast radius
You can nuke hordes of specials with it
ty for enlightening me
Bistol is bad Mfers when I show them the LP GT grenadier build
I kept top scoring with Path with that build
We unintentionally made an off meta
It’s top 5 veteran build easily
this one has tinkerer at the end
https://streamable.com/h5swcc
lol it worked
You winga
Basically ogryn nuke but u can use it every minute
its so stupid how to get unique blessings like man stopper you need to level up a lower level character lmao
bro really said
Yes yes I did
Path was the little devil in my ear telling me to see the difference
Then we struck gold
Lmao
So give @tall torrent some credit also
We think it’s intentional
It directly states “explosive radius”
now the real question is
goes the bistol need to be equipped
No
?????
holy fuck
It’s active 100%
Fuck
No, LP is a passive buff like grenade tinkerer
i feel lightheaded
Literally
that's wild AF
Get a good melee
with how psychotic that is
And NUKE
The problem with this build is mainly that
In terms of melee talents u basically don’t have melee talents
bistol with lethal proximity
Tinkerer, both regen, twinned blast
Your horde clear is reliant on every minute or getting lucky with demo team 
So there’s only really power sword
But that’s not entirely a bad thing
me finding grenades
Yeah
The only one it actually effects massively is shredders
We tested on Zealots nades
Does nothing
Give up all the talents and your soul upon the altar of lethal prox nades and the dark lord shall grant powers beyond imagination
Any affect on krak?
Build
So VETERAN EXCLUSIVE BONUS 🗣️
I love that image I made lmao
So it doesn't really affect pack clear that much for kraks
Damn
Can't wait to bust out duelling sword + Bistol
Krak is not rly a pack clear grenade
mk3 bayonet is strictly worse than MkI and II, but mine still oneshots a lot of specials with 1 stack of focus target (and some without) and oneshots scab or dreg shooters (which helps to keep up exec while reloading). gets about as much use as any other weapons special attack, so thats why i dont call it weak
damn, imma need for the drip and make a demo man outfit
Might be good to pair with LP Bistol
GET THE FUCK OFF MY PORCH BITCH!
Both those melees need talents to support
Which grenadier is too point starved to do
How would you build Bistol for a krak build then
A meme build that unironically is busted
maybe point blank lol
Do not
I mixed up the two
Krak is good on its own
U don’t
so is crack
True
Have been trying to get lethal prox 4 for a while but hadron says her strongest blessings would kill a beast, let alone a man
Does Bistol need to be out for it to work
lmao first bp i got had puncture 4 the 2nd had LP 4
Or can you have it stowed away
No
Thats so cracked holy shit
Get a Bistol with LP and Run N Gun
As long as it’s in ur loadout, u benefit
You're gonna be close range most of the time anyway
Oooo that sounds like so much fun
I had a blast using it lmao
my bp
It’s because Run&gun removes sprint to fire delay
And reduces Hipfire spread by 30%
you got it boss
So u basically never need to ADS
Puncture is our second blessing of choice
you just gave a chimpanzee a machine gun
Gotcha
Puncture is much worse than Run&gun for veteran
what alternatives for puncture?
The main one is just lethal prox + Run&gun
Everything else is inferior to this combo
oyes
It’s flat out the best boltpistol build on veteran
Can't you still get a one shot to keep exe up just by taking the 30% wrakpoint damage takent
We’re simply serving it
You cooked
Best hadron can do is execution/point blank
Boltpistol grenadier build is basically 50k more damage than everyone else on ur team in first horde
It’s called Path read the fine print
Of explosive radius
I got a maniacal grin at the idea
Tested it
And here we are
do base damage buffs apply to grenade damage?
Depends
Yes iirc
or just agile engagement
Most don’t
But depends
Agile doesn’t
im thinking skirmisher
what if they buffed it?
w w w wwending
you mean instead of using 1 stack of ft? i already use 30% weak spot dmg, and flamers survive a noncrit head slash with like 13 hp
how crucial is that left part of the tree
in what way?
You deal no damage
Very
Would u like ur boltpistol to kill gunners in 1 shot
ok
That and raw elite damage
Meaning more elite damage on frags
Yummy yummy elite damage
And u still get a power sword
Use grenades on elite waves to regen
I think we had a game in hab dreyko
Gale threw like 5 frags in the first horde cuz they just kept sending ragers and crushers
Kept getting them back
And I was on Ogryn with karsolas

I think I was like constantly 50k ahead of him
He’d get close and then another horde would spawn and boom I’m ahead by another 50k
Lmao
and agile engagement is needed too right?
Yes
aight
Mostly
more so for Bistol
oyes
U can drop it but I think it’s the best 2 point grab in a grenadier build
redirect fire buffs nade damage right?
Suppression immunity is not necessary because with Run&gun u can ignore ADS
over agile engagement making melee usable
What
OOOO
it does that
Instant sprint to fire
-30% Hipfire spread (-20% when sprinting)
+12% close damage when sprinting
i think the build is way more thought out than anything i can tweak tbh
Not worth (basically ever)
Well yea I made it 
-30% hipfire spread is there always?
-30% when not sprinting, -20% when sprinting
Still huge
It’s accurate enough to ignore ADS at most ranges
Ohhhh yeah they have that stocky one with the armored collar huh
aight goodbye puncture
I use this
Yeah that’s the one I meant
Honestly if I want one that’s like super armored, I want it to be ALL armor. Those exposed biceps? No thanks. Armor that.
But if I can’t have that I run as little armor as possible. I’m just wearing a tank top rn
Bingo
There’s the other Cadian leg piece that has full armor
If you’re trying to get something like that for Ogryn hunker down on the penance grind
Loyalist 6th outfit covers everything
Looks really damn nice on Oggie
I just want more armored cosmetics for veteran
I already finished every single penance except like, 10 I think
I have the 6th
I like it but I don’t fw the legs
No armor at all
Never hurts to experiment
mmm hnngg protecc
I just like the full body covering
Man I can't wait for the new update 😩
I have so many nearly good weapons that Hadron bricked
what curios? 3 toughness?
Get >200 health and 20% sniper resist
Everything else up to u
does that do enough to survive a shot from a sniper?
Get 3 wound curios
Yes
awesome
2
I still get 3 toughness curios personally
Because snipers are a myth
Darktide hasn't added a longlas yet 
Snipers are far from the worst specials around, but they're close to my number #1 hated. Obviously trappers get number one spot tho
wanna tie up those trappers ong
Been a min since I've played n I ain't touch MK2 much but hows this look?
It’s fine
Well I figured I can replace em this is just from upgradin it lol
I know dmg is a lil low but I remember a hot min back someone said this wep works okay even on lower dmg rolls (obv tryna get a better one anyway but)
it'd be more important to replace the perks for maniac/unarmored for flamer/dreg gunner oneshots
does uncanny strike buff the bleed damage from frag grenade bleed?
But it’s not necessary for the grenadier build
even then you could compensate for the low damage roll with focus target and redirect fire
Because out of the 3 uncanny weapons to be available for veteran next patch
Shovel has bad boss damage and grenadier build wants a melee that does both horde & boss damage well
i see?
Knife & duelling sword need heavy melee talent investment which this build can’t afford
Dueling sword will be funny though
It’s basically only power sword that fits into this spot
Making it meta
Mk6 is the better one
power cycler and what other blessing?
alrighty thanks
I need to read patch notes
I reinstalled cause my friend who still plays said this next update is gonna change the world (not their actual words but xd)
It’s going to be pretty huge in change to gameplay
reworking the crafting system that we've complained about for forever is definitely big
I remember when people were convinced Power Cycler did not exist
Soon every Vet will have access to it
Going to be fun c:
Well shit that is nice
It's been a hot min so I cant exactly remember which I'm thinkin of or if it's even correct but does this mean that one shotgun blessing that added like bleed dmg or sumn is gonna have a t4 now cause I'm p sure it was only t2
That's right, Flechette 4
yes
flechette
HNNNNNNNNG
MY ALL BLEED GRENADE BUILD WILL FINALLY HAVE A PROPER GUN
Okay did a quick read of patch notes, looks p good, I'm happy
Oh you didn't see that rager and bulwark spawns are being doubled UwU
"Added Mortarion to Elite spawns"
Warhammer 40k Ragertide
It’s funny cause we have the actual LP grenadier build under that post 
wait wasn’t that argument from last week 
When was the argument
true 
Plasma is king 💪
I mean to be fair they also posted Zarona being better than Bistol
God I love plasma in SM2
I hear Heavy using Heavy Melta is busted as fuck
I'm just happy the plasma guns are fun
If I see melta nerfed
Cause I’d rather everything just be bumped up a tier
But they’ll take the easier route
I personally think the bolt rifles are pretty weak too
A buff would be nice
The only bolt rifle I liked was the grenade launcher one
Heavy bolt rifle
Pocket MG my beloved
Didn't like that one either
Tactical main
Figured after I queue'd with one
I did notice how tactical has a perk
Saw him solo a Ravager
If you perfect parry it aus scans the enemy
Nothing 27 frags can't handle
Wait deadass? I skimmed thru notes
No 
Oh shit, flechette gonna be nutty
I wonder how Run and gun 4 will be
15% close damage, I wonder if the hidden spread will be shown
Prob just damage variation
If it gets a t4
It is now time for me to figure out how to do blessing section in my guide
Blaze Away 4 maybe?
Damn big if true
This is weapon page layout rn
That's in today's hotfix 💀
Awesome
each section is a link to kuli's guides 
A lot of green....I recall Nurgle uses a lot of green...
Tf is bonus impact damage?
Stagger but gun
I mean I could use orange highlighter if u want
The tastiest color 🙏
Impact = stagger
Impact damage = stagger
Ooo, so no boost in damage? Just stagger?
Or dark red
mmm vewy wawm
He likes puke green and doodooshart brown
Yellow text on white background pls
bro got the bussy squirt brown text
Fucking vile
nah this color doesn't look good
I retire my case
horrifying
I couldn't find a gif of it (who tf actually watches Bberry)
Darker hue orange
Try that
Brown-Orange
Today i learned that 3 veterans with krak and shout can make a plage ogryn fall off a bridge... and we didnt even do it on purpose.
ogryn just rounded the corner and we accidentally staggered our shouts and grenades in such a way that we knocked the plague ogryn off the bridge
green still looks much better
Yeah it reminds me of the auspex
But that orange is also good you just need to tweak it a bit more
fuck it push back the release even further 
I’ll at least make the template for blessings rn
You will suffice
Then proceed with curio section & stagger
i wlil paste the old weapon radar charts every time a new player shows up
Keep it consistant on dah green, (I kinda liked the neon orange)
Do not.
It already is a drip fed process lmao
tbf i thought that's what you meant by highlighter
I tried it, doesn’t stand out as much as neon blue

Can you make a version where all the text is comic sans
Think like this
Enemies have 3 healthbars
One for damage
One for impact
One for suppression
So technically they take damage, impact damage
Kek
That Hermit Purple?
been a lot of improvements from those
Heck, I still appreciate the current pinned guide, helped me a lot try new things and make sure I wasn't gimping myself somehow
I can send u link to the new one if u want
If you have it available, I'd very much so appreciate it
does LP on the bistol increase barrel explosions?
No
damn
i really thought i could cheese the penance
so uh
idk if this will be in the new update
but im using a mod that allows you to make loadouts in the training room
tier 4 of run and gun does tighten the spread
there's no t4 run&gun yet tho
Yeah, the mod just lets you apply any blessing
Even for ones that go above obtainable ones
Not final tho, gotta see if it is implemented with how the code is now
loadout config includes blessings in the code that aren't normally obtainable
I hope they keep the code as is
the sun tzu quote 

yeah
You won’t regret it
Looks good
Lmao the LC notes


