I honestly want a stubber
#veteran-class
faint beacon
I just want something that heavily encourages suppression
That isn’t Recon
Shush
tall torrent
I just want something that heavily encourages suppression
db shotgun
tame lodge
Kantrael shotgun
Agripina shotgun
Both have high suppression on special
With the Agri being on kill
magic trout
Or chaincannon, voidsmen use them
tall torrent
Something that also shoots a lot of lead overtime
graia4 braced
faint beacon
graia4 braced
ITS NOT THE SAME PATH I NEED MY COMICALLY LARGE MG
tall torrent
ITS NOT THE SAME PATH I NEED MY COMICALLY LARGE MG
oblique totem
Suppression build looking good. Just need to test it.
faint beacon
Was it you I suggested the suppression build too
The joke one I made with the Grauto
Terrifying Barrage the whole nine yards
trim steppe
Man 4 games in a row with malice-tier teammates trying their hand at auric
getting completely owned then sitting there dead watching me try to solo the map lol
faint beacon
Saturday Sunday
It’s when the kids or people who have jobs get on
Hence the sudden rise in mediocre players
I mean at least they’re learning
trim steppe
I suppose so. 1 or 2 in a row is to be expected but 4 was a bit much
delicate hornet
yeah my pugs have been stinkers today
trim steppe
the last 2 were tox gas warrens, both times all 3 died before making it to the second large area down the ramp
delicate hornet
had someone in my auric maelstrom that had the reaction speed of a potato bless him
trim steppe
Oh well, between that and 3 crashes I think I'm getting the hint to do something else for now haha
tame lodge
You can also wait and pray that Vet gets some sort of grenade launcher
Because explosions also have suppression
💀
delicate hornet
honestly a mini rumbler would be a cool weapon niche for vet
elder fiber
vet is already functionally a grenade launcher
delicate hornet
more please, i wanna play trauma psyker on vet :))
elder fiber
thats what lethal prox shredder is for until they fix it
muted prairie
trying to equip the bolt pistol crashes my game
i'm gonna take this as a sign to not use it
idle swallow
not based and boltpilled enough
last parcel
trying to equip the bolt pistol crashes my game
if you’re using the candle skin with it, it’s probably related to having an outdated version of weapon customization
muted prairie
i think it's cuz i'm using crosshair remap, but honestly i don't think i wanna bother troubleshooting just to use the bolt pistol
maybe after the buff
severe gale
i think it's cuz i'm using crosshair remap, but honestly i don't think i wanna b...
it’s crosshair
u need to update the mod for it to work
muted prairie
i figured, yeah. i checked nexus and it says the last update was july 2023? i thought bolt pistol was newer than that?
severe gale
i figured, yeah. i checked nexus and it says the last update was july 2023? i th...
did you update the mod
and bolt pistol was added newer than that
actually idk if the mod was ever fixed
muted prairie
i'll try it out now, let u know
radiant chasm
if crosshair mod hasn't been updated since 2023 it's not going to work
they reworked crosshairs in sotmg
unique orchid
Im on a half day on the quietest day the week
last parcel
i figured, yeah. i checked nexus and it says the last update was july 2023? i th...
you need crosshair remap continued
unique orchid
vet is already functionally a grenade launcher
That and its conventional wargear for them, GLs I mean, alongside plasma and melta guns
last parcel
that one’s still being worked on
muted prairie
ooh thanks. do i only need the continued version or will i need both?
last parcel
continued is a replacement
muted prairie
gotcha, thanks 👍
elder fiber
it's not a bug
its a feature
unique orchid
Ive a question for most in here, being the regular auric runners and Casual Damnation players: is your veteran built for certain kinds of elite or are you built to take down anything in your path
delicate hornet
kill everything
lyric dock
Built to take down anything you can
It helps to be able to handle as many threats as you can
Because if you enter a Last Man Standing situation. It would really suck to not have a reliable way of dealing with Crusher packs or quickly deal with Rager packs
But this applies to all classes
faint beacon
Ive a question for most in here, being the regular auric runners and Casual Damn...
Anything
Its literally just playstyle dependent
orchid hemlock
Ive a question for most in here, being the regular auric runners and Casual Damn...
everything dies
faint beacon
But some of the stuff we suggested you mainly helps with that type of set up of just
Kill all elites
orchid hemlock
every build should be designed to deal with any situation at least on paper
orchid hemlock
u dont need to be the best at it, but you have answers for all siutations
faint beacon
excels at killing things via weakspot hits
last parcel
click head job done
unique orchid
Im built to take on everything, was just morbidly curious
faint beacon
click head job done
Bingo
lyric dock
You need to be able to kill it quickly and efficiently as possible
faint beacon
Im built to take on everything, was just morbidly curious
its why you'll see Zealots saying Veteran is better even though they both are good in their terms lmao
unique orchid
Veteran is ranged threat removal, zealot is melee
delicate hornet
how would u even thereoretically specialise for certain kinds of elites? if u have 1 way of dealing with an enemy type u realistically have 2 other weapons to kill other stuff with
faint beacon
Veteran is ranged threat removal, zealot is melee
I'd argue
unique orchid
As such vet is "safer" since melee is more dangerous
faint beacon
Veteran is a Hybrid
Once you learn how to utilize Iron will as a talent more
you rarely take good chunks of HP damage
orchid hemlock
as a Vet it should honestly be 30/70 ranged melee
delicate hornet
melee isnt that dangerous if ur engaging in the games mechanics
faint beacon
as a Vet it should honestly be 30/70 ranged melee
I'd argue 60/40
delicate hornet
except for like ragers
faint beacon
You use you guns for anything thats shooting your or is an elite
last parcel
i think it's more like 36/64
faint beacon
your melee is for hordes or any elite up close
faint beacon
i think it's more like 36/64
something like ermmm 69
orchid hemlock
the only reason you shouldn't be in melee is because you need to take out something you can't run to, like a gunners/snipers/shotgunners/trappers
or ragers since u dont want to fight them since u cant CC them
tall torrent
as a Vet it should honestly be 30/70 ranged melee
it's around 50:50
can vary based on build
last parcel
about 3.50
faint beacon
about 3.50
2
orchid hemlock
5.10
last parcel
i don't know about you
lyric dock
Some builds is 10/90 Melee to Range. Others is 50/50 and some vet builds can be 80/20
last parcel
but i'm feelin 22
delicate hornet
me when i hose the recon mk vid for the entire game
tall torrent
As such vet is "safer" since melee is more dangerous
veteran is "safer" because veteran has the best melee dps in the game and being in melee is pretty much invincible outside of getting swarmed by a bajillion ragers
lyric dock
My general Vet build my range weapon is out for roughly 90-95% of the game
unique orchid
My general Vet build my range weapon is out for roughly 90-95% of the game
Lore accurate 
faint beacon
@unique orchid Home, throwing the build together
im going to give you a heads up
this build is really not meant to kill
lyric dock
And the times I use melee is dealing with Hordes, Elites in my face, or quickly pushing back a dog in a pinch
faint beacon
you're literally a walking toughness battery for your team
faint beacon
toughness battery build: done
TRUE
orchid hemlock
toughness battery build: done
TRUUUU
tall torrent
orchid hemlock
its ogre now
unique orchid
you're literally a walking toughness battery for your team
Probably leans too far support for me, but i am definitely intrigued
last parcel
now time for hentai sword
lyric dock
Then there's how I play as Psyker where I can sometimes spend 100% of the game with my Staff active
orchid hemlock
is it updated on the link u provided?
faint beacon
Probably leans too far support for me, but i am definitely intrigued
Oh I played it, its fun cause you still kill shit
tall torrent
is it updated on the link u provided?
I'm working on it at this very moment
delicate hornet
~~Then there's how I play as Psyker where I can sometimes spend 100% of the game...
why melee when u can trauma staff everything at point blank for infinite horde clear and toughness
orchid hemlock
u can "support" the team by killing everything 
lyric dock
why melee when u can trauma staff everything at point blank for infinite horde c...
I generally use the Voidstrike
unique orchid
Speaking of lore accurate: are pug psykers blowing up funny or annoying to you lot
delicate hornet
depends how often theyre doin it
unique orchid
Lets say once every mission
delicate hornet
like once a game is funny haha
orchid hemlock
I'm working on it at this very moment
real time updates????????? 
delicate hornet
if theyre blowing up every 10 seconds they need to learn how to quell :)
faint beacon
@unique orchid Talent Layout
lyric dock
Speaking of lore accurate: are pug psykers blowing up funny or annoying to you l...
Depends on when it happens
unique orchid
like once a game is funny haha
And immersive, its basically just lore-accurate Sanctioned Guard Psyker
tall torrent
real time updates????????? <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
I don't think MS word links have live update tracking
faint beacon
<@252202630250627072> Talent Layout
Pistol I use with it, Heavily stress Reassuringly Accurate is a must, probably get Dumdum instead of Infernus
unique orchid
<@252202630250627072> Talent Layout
As i suspected its pretty close to my current build, but mine has a bit of the more extraneous support put into offensive capability instead
faint beacon
Stopping power makes me weep
delicate hornet
<@252202630250627072> Talent Layout
would swapping a few of the talents out for exhilarating takedown not be better for toughness maxxing?
orchid hemlock
I already have a "healing" build
tbh u need the plasma gun to make it work or it just has no impact 🤷🏻 https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4013c8-2411-40b7-b11b-d7dca0c52b62/healing-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
faint beacon
if you insist on only doing toughness
lyric dock
Pistol I use with it, Heavily stress Reassuringly Accurate is a must, probably g...
God that Stopping power sucks
faint beacon
Leave no one behind is more so for getting people up
faint beacon
God that Stopping power sucks
Im too fucking lazy to roll a new one
and Itemization is soon
unique orchid
The HLP gets dumdum?
faint beacon
but that one is toast lmao
lyric dock
The HLP gets dumdum?
Yep
faint beacon
The HLP gets dumdum?
DumDum is just a direct damage boost
unique orchid
Gamer
faint beacon
so rock it with Reassuringly
unique orchid
Honestly dumdum on its own will probably make my future pistols way better
Once i get it
faint beacon
If you want to drop leave no one you have two options this one for even more toughness supposedly
Or this for just raw damage
faint beacon
If you want to drop leave no one you have two options this one for even more tou...
I'd say if you REALLY want to be a walking toughness battery do this one
@delicate hornet Honestly kudos to the suggestion
im going to see how drastically different it is without LNOB
unique orchid
THmaxxing is very silly i shall admit
orchid hemlock
if this is a toughness regen build, why do u not have out for blood?
unique orchid
Its building MAX th not regen
orchid hemlock
what?
faint beacon
Its more so
orchid hemlock
the point of the build is to utilize Born Leader correct?
lyric dock
Pistol I use with it, Heavily stress Reassuringly Accurate is a must, probably g...
My Trusty Las pistol
faint beacon
I mean you could do either or
orchid hemlock
also the laspistol is a horrific toughness generator
lyric dock
Crafting Rework will make this a proper 550 soon™️
orchid hemlock
because the kill needs to be a critical hit for it to proc
lyric dock
because the kill needs to be a critical hit for it to proc
Las pistols have pretty good Crit chance naturally.
lyric dock
So it'll crit pretty often
pseudo fiber
but you gain more from this
remember when this was bugged and made you take more damage
good times
faint beacon
remember when this was bugged and made you take more damage
good times
good times
orchid hemlock
but you gain more from this
because out for blood also procs on melee kills
faint beacon
Yes but melee kills also
orchid hemlock
ET doesn't
orchid hemlock
yes and u get more toughness
faint beacon
Charismatic + Born Leader
10%
vs
15%
Im just saying dude
you're giving more total to your team
lyric dock
remember when this was bugged and made you take more damage
good times
Good fucking times
orchid hemlock
assuming u hit weakpoints
faint beacon
You should be
orchid hemlock
and assuming it is all ranged kills
faint beacon
Like im going to be blunt
you should be as Veteran
and with the Heavy las you can get away with firing far more
somber axle
Do you think Charismatic + Born Leader + Out for Blood with Rashad Mk II Combat Axe horde slapping would be funny?
faint beacon
its happy on ammo econ
faint beacon
Do you think Charismatic + Born Leader + Out for Blood with Rashad Mk II Combat ...
If you're strictly doing melee yes
somber axle
You're already sticking max toughness just swinging with reckless abandon in a horde
faint beacon
it might be okay
orchid hemlock
bruh if I had a PS and outforblood, I would literally be gen maxing in 2 seconds
unique orchid
why are you playing Vet
Because I keep missing the head and clip their shoulders, so I figured accuracy by volley would work just as well 
faint beacon
Because I keep missing the head and clip their shoulders, so I figured accuracy ...
You'll learn
give it time
orchid hemlock
i dont care how accurate u are, a laspistol isn't going to kill a horde of trash
faint beacon
took me about 600 hours to snap onto heads regardless of enemies
and now im 1.22k hours in
quiet valley
Las-Pistol = zero cleave
unique orchid
Good heavens gale, im 1200 hours in only two games
Neither are DT ones tf2 and the other is warframe
unique orchid
Covering fire strictly isnt great because of what again? I know no Born Leader syn but is it decent without?
orchid hemlock
because it doesn't proc on yourself
faint beacon
It doesn't synergize with born leader but its more so the fact of supporting the team IF they are ahead of you
thats the reason why I have it
not saying its a good talent at all
unique orchid
because it doesn't proc on yourself
"This ability meant to help my team doesnt help me it helps my team"
orchid hemlock
It doesn't synergize with born leader but its more so the fact of supporting the...
how many times does this actually happen in game for u on average?
faint beacon
This is a HEAVILY support based build
40% of matches with this build I sit behind the team
the zealot that rushes ahead gets big bonuses off it
unique orchid
Ill probably put CovFire on my build im legit always shooting into my teammate's crowds
orchid hemlock
"This ability meant to help my team doesnt help me it helps my team"
if it doesn't proc on yourself, the chances of it procing on others is going to be almost non existent
faint beacon
Ill probably put CovFire on my build im legit always shooting into my teammate's...
How you play is exactly how you should use it then
thing Is I would chastise you for this
cause I am a heavily
Melee based Veteran
but like
Seriously how you're using it is perfect lmao
its literally in the talents name
orchid hemlock
40% of matches with this build I sit behind the team
that's not the question I am asking, I'm asking how many times on average do you know CF actually procs?
faint beacon
You assume I actually track that like every match?
orchid hemlock
no, but u seem to be thinking that 2 talent points is apperently worth this node, and I am asking why you beleive this
faint beacon
2
sir that is 1
This entire section here is imporant cause you need anti armor and Charisma is playing in with BL
faint beacon
Tbh you probably COULD
get away without Survivalist
but this is assuming your team lets you take ammo
cause you tend to shoot more
I could throw something together for a build like that one moment
orchid hemlock
i actually tested CF
I had a mod that tracked the proc usage throughout the game of an auric match
u know how many times it proced?
pseudo fiber
Good heavens gale, im 1200 hours in only two games
Mine is getting there.
Yes I regret number 1 before it's asked
orchid hemlock
8
in a 30 minute game
it's dogshit
objectively
and I was using a plasma gun
faint beacon
@unique orchid @orchid hemlock Well if you want raw damage instead this actually gives you O4B and even Exploit Weakness
maybe try this instead if you can conserve ammo
Should be easier seeing it is the MK10
orchid hemlock
<@252202630250627072> <@717361443564945468> Well if you want raw damage instead ...
there are questionable nodes here too, is deadshot a good node on the laspistol?
charasmatic is also questionable
I also dont see u taking stam regen boost
faint beacon
there are questionable nodes here too, is deadshot a good node on the laspistol?
Deadshot I would say is more so for Reassuringly
frank ether
I owned and played this since pre-release
still below 1000 hours lmao
I wonder how much gameplay do I even have if I cut the shopping mall experience and loading screens
faint beacon
This is playing a huge role in the build as well
elder fiber
deadshot kinda deadshit on pistol
orchid hemlock
Deadshot I would say is more so for Reassuringly
deadshot is generally very bad, because stamina is everything on Vet
frank ether
deadshot kinda deadshit on pistol
whuh, which pistol
elder fiber
also it has ghost
orchid hemlock
the only gun I would unironically use it on are the helbores
and even then I prob wont
tall torrent
@faint beacon u playing later?
tall torrent
im on right now
Vc?
faint beacon
Not atm
frank ether
ppl be saying some wild stuff tonight
orchid hemlock
even then, if you are going to take deadshot, I am very surprised u then dont take stamina regen
somber axle
Deadshot and Target Down pair very well together
frank ether
<@252202630250627072> <@717361443564945468> Well if you want raw damage instead ...
why waste so many points at the top though
faint beacon
why waste so many points at the top though
Toughness battery maxxing
what we're attempting
somber axle
5% Toughness and 5% Stam per stack and if you are quickly tagging and killing targets that will always be a minimum of 2 stacks per kill
faint beacon
to throw together
somber axle
Deadshot is just a game of juggling with Target Down
frank ether
what we're attempting
ah carry on
faint beacon
ah carry on
You're good lmao
frank ether
Deadshot is just a game of juggling with Target Down
deadshot is free crits on anything you can accurately hipfire tbh
faint beacon
trust me I know better to not fucking run that on an actual build that isn't a set gimmick
frank ether
I dont see any reason not to take it on a bunch of weapons mostly pistols
its only shit on autopistol, but thats just autopistol
somber axle
Yeah Deadshot is just fun and effective imo
uncut pebble
Autopistol is just... bad.
frank ether
its passable on zealot
uncut pebble
No talents or blessings are saving it at this point.
somber axle
It's like Recip but you don't need to stack it or maintain stacks for it
frank ether
veteran just never had good offerings for lower finesse weapons especially one thats not a main gun but rather something for quickswapping (so poor exe synergy)
orchid hemlock
idk, being out of stamina on vet is 😰
somber axle
Could you imagine how funny Laspistol crit could be with Deadshot and Recip? You'd have Shock Trooper proccing constantly LOL
uncut pebble
Most finesse weapons that aren't meta just need an overall numbers change and I think they'll be good.
frank ether
as far as vet goes most finesse weapons ARE pretty meta
uncut pebble
Like, the autopistol could have an adm tweak against unarmored, infested, and maniac armor types and it'd be good.
unique orchid
Mine is getting there.
Yes I regret number 1 before it's asked
Sea of Thieves detected, we are now friends
frank ether
its just very inaccurate
whats the point of ADM tweaks when anything beyond spitting distance you're just spraying at main body hitbox and still missing like half your shots
and losing damage on dmg fall-off and what have you
somber axle
Isn't Shredder Autopistol already solid for Maniac ADM
I vaguely remember toying with it and finding it shreds Dreg Ragers pretty fine
uncut pebble
Idk, I was just spitballing an improvement because it feels like such shit to use.
somber axle
But that was with a goofy build to turn it into a rending machine for killing Crushers so like even if it did have weak ADM vs Ragers by default I wouldn't have felt it just by the talents I'd picked
It was kinda fun for Auric Damnation quickplay though
uncut pebble
I feel like genuinely I could do better never drawing my ranged weapon and running a 5 rating standard issue shovel.
somber axle
But it eats ammo FAST
unique orchid
I fail to understand the deadshot hate but i also have a +3 stam curio and a lot of extra stam regen
frank ether
at the end of the day its the same debate as zarona vs boltpistol if you can't understand why one is better than the other regardless of breakpoints then you also can't understand the iag vs autopistol either. Not saying this to be insulting or to like win argument I genuinely try to have this discussion sometimes with people that just aren't capable of understanding it lmao
somber axle
I fail to understand the deadshot hate but i also have a +3 stam curio and a lot...
It's probably because of the stamina juggling and people disliking the extra resource management. If someone goes 0 Stam magdumping then they eat a poxburster because they can't shove it
uncut pebble
I feel like you can't compare the autopistol to the iags.
It'd be more fair to compare them to laspistols.
frank ether
like you have one gun that can shoot 5 gunners back to back with no mechanics outside your control like aimcone or sway and then the other has to deal with those things then the winner is clear
add to that the ciag also just does better damage period
unique orchid
Honestly i only really manage stamina since ammo isnt a big deal because of shock trooper and toughness is fine because i have fatshark melee muscle memory
frank ether
and what little benefits you have for autopistol being a pistol is made irrelevant
somber axle
If you can't juggle and don't have a source of quick Stam regain (Duck and Dive, Target Down, at least one of the Stam regen delay nodes) and you don't grab any Stam curios to offset it then it just ends up providing little value and pushes someone into hip firing more often out of fear of stamina starving themselves into danger
unique orchid
But yeah, i can see the reason for not wanting MORE management
somber axle
You don't need all of those things btw
Really any one of those options is enough for fueling Deadshot memes
It's just an unpopular playstyle
uncut pebble
Double shield psyker is just based.
Ever since swapping off bubble and watching 12 mutants slam their faces into it, I'll never go back.
frank ether
It'd be more fair to compare them to laspistols.
see, you're not getting it. It could be fair for the weapon fantasy and the role you want it to be is to just ballistic version of laspistol (which is what I'd want too). But as far as gameplay goes its competing with ciag.
unique orchid
Its thr funniest shit right
uncut pebble
Also great for when specialists decide to not have audio cues and you just throw it up in a chokepoint behind you.
orchid hemlock
ok but what about helbore bayonet build 🤔
frank ether
wonder if the new cleave blessing is gonna be bugged and work on bayo
wait no that wouldn't
uncut pebble
see, you're not getting it. It could be fair for the weapon fantasy and the role...
Frankly, I'm of the opinion that iags need their damage vs flak and carapace to be buffed and their damage vs other armor types to be nerfed. This way, it would cement the autopistol as the "fuck you unarmored guy" weapon and remove the competition between iags and the autopistol.
frank ether
Frankly, I'm of the opinion that iags need their damage vs flak and carapace to ...
nah, thats just ridicilous
uncut pebble
Idk, you're using a larger caliber round with an actual barrel and rifling.
Ballistically speaking, you're going to do better against armor and worse against flesh because you have more energy.
frank ether
iags already shred anything below a crusher
they also shred a crusher if you put some rending
uncut pebble
Iags in general need a retune. That was the point I was making.
somber axle
Boltgun/Boltpistol had the weakness vs Infested and the next update is buffing them to remove that weakness
Something like .4 or .5 ADM vs Infested changing to .9 or 1.0
frank ether
they aren't fixing the aim though
somber axle
Not yet but it is a priority
frank ether
I guess you can shoot dogs with it now
somber axle
They are buffing sway
Less swinging the gun around
But it does still have the bugged aim
somber axle
So it's still an issue but less of an issue
I'm curious how it will feel after the buffs tbh
frank ether
they're already very good (on zealot)
somber axle
It's a lot of QoL changes
frank ether
since I can just hipfire and ignore the jank FS can't fix
somber axle
They're already very fun to play with imo
uncut pebble
I'm curious of the damage potential of mag dumping a puncture boltgun, tbh.
somber axle
Oh also I think they're adding some cleave to the Boltpistol and giving some cleave to the Agripina Revolver too
uncut pebble
I want to see how much damage that is capable of.
frank ether
some of the weapons in this game are popular because the alternatives are just fucking jank in the most boring way possible
somber axle
Less times a Poxwalker eats the shot and accidentally protects the target you meant to hit
frank ether
its not like the ''oh you need to master this'' kind of jank
its the ''we couldn't code this properly'' kindd
somber axle
I want to see how much damage that is capable of.
Bleed stacks cap at 16 iirc?
uncut pebble
Yeah but also thunderous or whatever it is exists on boltgun.
somber axle
Magdumping will just put it to that cap faster
uncut pebble
So mag dumping with lots of bleed and armor reduction.
unique orchid
I'm curious how it will feel after the buffs tbh
Probably a lot better, though my issue is i cant deal with the recoil
frank ether
you're either giving up cavalcade or pinning fire for it and neither seems smart on a veteran
somber axle
Shattering + Cavalcade is the magdump blessing combo for bosses/Crushers iirc?
uncut pebble
you're either giving up cavalcade or pinning fire for it and neither seems smart...
Oh I was meaning for zealout.
frank ether
still not smart
somber axle
Idk if Puncture will compete to push out either of those
frank ether
you put boltgun on zealot to ERASE things in TTK nothing can match
why'd you want to bother with damage over time
somber axle
Puncture is funny on Boltpistol because the bleed helps it hit breakpoints it is just shy of
frank ether
on a boltpistol sure you want to hipfire once and let the dot finish
maybe there might be some weird niche I'm not considering
but I'm not seeing it
unique orchid
There are a large number of fringe niches in this game it seems
tough tiger
It is a tide game after all
unique orchid
Not only that, a tide game with a massive skill tree
midnight totem
Personally I think puncture is named wrong
How about, "cratered wounds"
Because that's how a bolt operates. It goes in and booms
tough tiger
How about bolter induced menstruation
midnight totem
Forget 4 stacks of bleeding
It's not a lasgun that cauterises even as it flashheats the spot of impact
frank ether
I'll just pretend I'm right over worrying over situations like ''what if I faced two morbillion bulwarks and only puncture bolter nightmare blunt rotation could save the day'' kind of thought process lmao
unique orchid
To be fair ogrynspam is a valid concern above diff 3
midnight totem
Only one solution to that plush
tough tiger
A fate worse than death
midnight totem
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So mag dumping with lots of bleed and armor reduction.
it's not worth
even for shattering impact builds, calvacade and PF would outperform
tough tiger
True
uncut pebble
We will see.
unique orchid
Handy
frank ether
they buffed close damage range a bit I guess so its not complete fubar
but my gut feeling tells me I'll probably stick with pinning fire cause its so easy to proc
another thing to consider is how the hell will you proc this fully for a boss magdump which I imagine is what you want it for right?
midnight totem
Why not both
frank ether
hmm.. I might on zealot
cavalcade hard to pass
have you seen the crit numbers on boltgun? insane
most your dmg comes from crits
amber ether
tbf nothing that bolter 1 shots at close range is actually worth spending a shot on
rather than just meleeing them
frank ether
I mean this will have its ups over pinning
like hey rager pack in my face and my melee sucks at them kind of situation
or suprise 35 shotgunners jumpscare
amber ether
waiting for the update
frank ether
boltgun has insane stagger, its just that I'm not sure about rager behavior
amber ether
it's kinda funny that the only melee that can knock down crushers is used by the frailest class
stagger is weird in this game
radiant chasm
it's kinda funny that the only melee that can knock down crushers is used by the...
zealot?
ogryn?
amber ether
Astartes
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does bolter stagger ragers?
yea
but it also kills in 2~3 shots
1 if crit headshot
unique orchid
Much as i respect the locke boltgun being on vet, it just doesnt feel like it gels w vet
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Much as i respect the locke boltgun being on vet, it just doesnt feel like it ge...
next update will have a rly strong combo for boltgun
One Motion + tac reload
+25% swap speed, +25% reload speed when not empty
unique orchid
Fair
frank ether
+25% swap speed, +25% reload speed when not empty
yeah, I'm looking forward to the swap speed
for helbore aswell
hb3 might be back on the menu
pathing is gonna look pretty funny though
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my helbore 3 achlys caxe wep spec build will finally rose again
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pathing is gonna look pretty funny though
U could just grab 25% swap speed as a 1 point node
And still go down CK path
It’s very free
frank ether
U could just grab 25% swap speed as a 1 point node
that would be the sane path
but I despise exe-mf path
unique orchid
How do you guys feel about the mk3 ps
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but I despise exe-mf path
One Motion is top right side
frank ether
to me the benefit of the swap speed would be that I dont have to tolerate running exe just to play helbores
tame lodge
How do you guys feel about the mk3 ps
It's goated
unique orchid
I know it ran the show for a while early in the games lifespan
I might try and build a mk3 ps to charge and blow up a melee threat
frank ether
One Motion is top right side
thats too logical, can't have that
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thats too logical, can't have that
they said they're replacing Vanguard with it lol
unique orchid
I kinda wish vanguard was named Go! Go! Go!
Or was it Move Move Move
The tabletop order for Guard, whatever it was
frank ether
they said they're replacing Vanguard with it lol
I'll cook up something cursed with it
also this reminds me the new helbore blessings seem potentially interesting
but mostly for helbore 2
unique orchid
I still wish the helbore wasnt click hold
unique orchid
I do
frank ether
helbore 2 charges so fast its effectively shooting faster than infantry las anyway
yea I made up my mind
I'll do wep spec helbore
orchid hemlock
frank ether
crimson pebble
I'll do wep spec helbore
Top ten fates worse then death
marble mantle
If your vet name is Thermin and you’re in here, you’ve joined my list of respectable runts. Played almost the entire game with this much health from grims.
scarlet path
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helbore 2 charges so fast its effectively shooting faster than infantry las anyw...
nah it's much slower than infantry lasguns still
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I'll do wep spec helbore
WS doesn't work with helbore, unfortunately
unique orchid
If your vet name is Thermin and you’re in here, you’ve joined my list of respect...
What a chad
Im Brassus in case anyone ever runs into me
frank ether
WS doesn't work with helbore, unfortunately
not gonna stop me from committing nightmare fatshark rotation
honestly I just want to juice my melee a bit
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helbore can only get melee specialist (up to 1 stack)
but cannot use melee specialist
serene bough
first thing i see opening vet chat is among us twerking
unique orchid
Thats normal
marble mantle
helbore can only get melee specialist (up to 1 stack)
That makes sense though since you can’t exactly swap to it from a ranged weapon
frank ether
but cannot use melee specialist
I'm not really intending on using the bayo
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bro is trying to think about it the sane way 😂
fresh saddle
stability okay as dump?
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stability okay as dump?
you'll be fine
faint beacon
If your vet name is Thermin and you’re in here, you’ve joined my list of respect...
He might be toughness maxxing if he's getting hit that hard from Grim Corruption
if he didn't die once yeah
thats a damn good Vet
faint beacon
Brunt's most ammo effecient plasma gun
umbral scaffold
Keep for the update
@faint beacon
It might be ass now but if you can get it up it might be kinda good
umbral scaffold
faint beacon
Doesn't really bother me seeing I kinda dont really enjoy using Plasma
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Do the helbore bayonet attacks get affected by marksman's focus?
no
i'd still have bought it as a wallhanger
conversation starter and all
fluid gust
faint beacon
besides I have this banger that Im waiting on
umbral scaffold
Thats better
supple stag
Agripinaa Mk IX 🤢
supple stag
Sorry, I am the Vraks 7 enjoyer
faint beacon
I will karkin kill you
supple stag
Oh yeah? Try me, you'll fall the very last second, just like Cadia
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Agripinaa Mk IX 🤢
faint beacon
Live Gale + Grinch discussion between the HHA's
supple stag
Speaking of Headhunter Autoguns, I wanted to roll a decent Vraks 3
faint beacon
bro im fucking cackling like an idiot over that, like holy shit cockroach as an insult I never knew how much fucking power that has
supple stag
I hope game will throw me a gun that has a magsize that divides by 3
Cockroach is a strong insult, if you can fit it well into the fight
faint beacon
It never will, you will be damned with 2 or 1 bullet barely over
I say this cause my Agri IX suffers from this
Guys I found my clone
supple stag
Well I decided to roll both Vraks 3 and Agri IX
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evil gale be like
i will use plasma + rashad
bottom text
supple stag
Agri was a bit lucky ammo wise
unreal bone
haven't been on in ages
faint beacon
Agri was a bit lucky ammo wise
DO NOT
supple stag
Vraks III not so much
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Agri was a bit lucky ammo wise
scrap for dockets
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YOU WILL FEEL THE KICK ON THAT STABILITY
anything thats not 69+
stab
fucking toss
its super bad
on kick with the HHA's
I say this from experience
faint beacon
Chat he doesn't know
50% Stability HHA driving me fucking insane
Even with this it still kicks
but its noticeably better
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that's why you run executioner's stance wep spec agri hh
supple stag
I'll be honest with ya'll
faint beacon
Vraks III not so much
Honestly looking over the Number it has
probably keep it
for Itemization
cause you could get a higher Stab
faint beacon
You simply just do not understand the fine taste you'll need for it
Idk its a funky little gun
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the fine taste is insanity
supple stag
The stab on it sucks
faint beacon
Vraks 7 just does it naturally
supple stag
that's what I meant
faint beacon
Yeah Stab on Agri
really fucking matters
its recoil pattern is jank
hence i suggest getting 70%+
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stability matters on all 3 headhunter autoguns
faint beacon
That also
supple stag
Well, Hadron didn't brick it too bad
faint beacon
Well, Hadron didn't brick it too bad
Deadly Accurate and uh
Unarmored?
for Gunner BPs
faint beacon
I mean you can eventually swap its Mark
on Sept 26th
Flak/Un
and No Respite to DA
supple stag
Still this is the goodest boy
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by clicking heads
faint beacon
59% stab though
supple stag
You just click
faint beacon
lmao
supple stag
and shit dies
faint beacon
The changer of ways guides my aim
Swapping Weakspot to Unarmored when Itemization comes around (My Agri 9)
well that or using that Dump stat one I have cause its a possible god roll
supple stag
Well, time to play some Infiltrate Vraks 7
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I dont understand how I make this work
Vraks 7 if u pace ur shots low stability isn’t that bad
fair river
Still this is the goodest boy
https://tenor.com/view/with-my-lips-this-isnt-working-spongebob-plankton-lip-gif-6494364114377923184
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But for the burst HHAs low stability is just unplayable
faint beacon
^
Thats probably why
if you use the V7 like an actual fucking DMR
take your time with shots
Stab isn't a huge issue
supple stag
I need to get more dockets
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Am figuring out atk combos for heavy & duelling swords for guide now
faint beacon
Agri and V3 are huge for needing Stab
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Easiest 60k ever
How much dockets & plasteel did u save up so far
faint beacon
Good Question path
1.4 Mil Ordos and Plasteel is nearing 70k, Diamantine nearing 40k
supple stag
Sadly I have to solo queue eh, my usual friends I play with sleep still
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1.4 Mil Ordos and Plasteel is nearing 70k, Diamantine nearing 40k
Damn
I have way less crafting materials lol
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I think the main resource limitation after update is gonna be dockets
iron marten
well uh
faint beacon
Damn
I just dont have a reason to spend it lately
my shit is going to fucking vanish
when HS's drop
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my shit is going to fucking vanish
me when i flush
faint beacon
I've been sitting at this amount for Ordos cause of buying brunts T1-2 blessings
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hehe
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when HS's drop
why
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Yea but
If everything goes to 380
Can’t be that hard to find a good one (good distribution)
tame lodge
Am figuring out atk combos for heavy & duelling swords for guide now
Hehe hebi
tame lodge
Then Chained Deathblow Perfect Strike
For the meme
Wonder if they'll nerf "Ignore mass" blessings
iron marten
I wonder if they’ll nerf uncanny too
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Wonder if they'll nerf "Ignore mass" blessings
Doubt it
Will need to see after patch cuz rn it’s hard to make a good combat axe
When everybody gets to make good combat axes then maybe
lavish token
Wonder if they'll nerf "Ignore mass" blessings
They won’t
faint beacon
Deathblow Headtaker
Me and path discussed what might be the best on Veteran in regards for Heavy Swords, It might be more than just HT + Deathblow
again theoretical
we're gonna throw some of them into the grinder and see what works best
tame lodge
I can see the 6 and 7 not using Deathblow
faint beacon
Ehh? They could
Path thinks the Combo might be Chained DB + DB
Just cause of Exploit Weakness and how stupid Veteran is with Melee damage
Personally idgaf I just like the idea of having a huge ass sword I can now use instead of a shovel or an axe
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Path thinks the Combo might be Chained DB + DB
I’m still thinking abt it tbh
For mk9 I think DB + HT is prob still the way
6 and 7 are weird ish
DB is still the best blessing but 2nd choice can vary
faint beacon
Doesn't help bladed momentum is going to be a thing which is just
nerfed uncanny lmao
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b b. bwaded m mowomentum
pastel yew
When everybody gets to make good combat axes then maybe
tbf without brutal momentum the combat axes are just generally kinda wank
realistically any of the blessings like that need to be removed or changed, with the base weapons receiving better innate cleave
as both the axe and hs feel so awful without them
and so god tier with them
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realistically any of the blessings like that need to be removed or changed, with...
yea ik
I'd much prefer BM only carried first target dmg to 2nd target, and combat axes had like 6+ cleave on light atks
pastel yew
not that such balance discussion matters as
best we can get is everything buffed
nothing nerfed
every patch
then once every 6 months fs grabs a weapon and takes it out back to set an example
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but I'm also not gonna complain abt "no changes to BM" when blaze trauma is getting buffed in the same patch
pastel yew
so much that should get nerfed isn't
no enemy nerfs to adjust either like
common reddit take "no power creep, its fun creep" "just stop complaining and ruining the fun"
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It can be bad
There’re actual veteran players who think +25% weapon swap speed is irrelevant
pastel yew
aint no way
"glad I'm not the only one" ;-;
on a couple weapons this is just
a dead point
but the majority of the time its really good
and the weapons that need it, are really happy for it
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Be glad that they’re not the vocal majority
pastel yew
idk man there are people at fat shark paid for making such statements and implementing them as features it seems
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FS seems to do balance by themselves & playtester feedback
Not from Reddit / forum whiners
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idk man there are people at fat shark paid for making such statements and implem...
We’ve not had horrible balance changes for a while
pastel yew
idk I feel like a lot of changes are directed at average players rather than upper levels of difficulty
I don't know who the playtesters are but like
what exactly are they play testing to come to these conclusions
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idk I feel like a lot of changes are directed at average players rather than upp...
This is true
pastel yew
its it just a fear response to seeing people shit on helldivers for nerfing things
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But u also can’t deny that some of the new blessings are actually interesting & useful
pastel yew
yeah like
the quality of life stuff? great. love it.
weapon diversity? cool outside of vet just... being better with them
but buffing and not nerfing already strong options is pretty wild
I was already dropping from games with two plasma guns anyway so life wont change much there
radiant flint
for weapon specialist is it really 33% crit chance per stack? why so much if it stacks up to 10
grave wadi
pastel yew
for weapon specialist is it really 33% crit chance per stack? why so much if it ...
10 stacks is for the other buffs
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Veteran just scales better with every weapon that’s made available to them so I think they need to make other classes’ exclusive weapons more attractive
radiant flint
o ok
pastel yew
its 100% crit effectively once you have 4 stacks, but only on your first shot
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I hope crusher & thunder hammers are actually top tier meta weapons next patch
Crusher I don’t doubt
pastel yew
crusher was already one of the better options for zealot no/
and it got stronger so
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Well it needs to compete with veteran scaling
pastel yew
the thunder hammers I do hope get buffed to viablity as... now hs is on vet, there is literally no reason to play zealot
for me at least
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Veteran just scales better with every weapon that’s made available to them so I ...
Psyker still doesn't have soulblaze infernus
Absolute madness
At least the laspistol push is GOATED
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Psyker still doesn't have soulblaze infernus
Laspistol push on Psyker doesn’t use stamina
It builds peril
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the thunder hammers I do hope get buffed to viablity as... now hs is on vet, the...
On the bright side martyrdom got buffed
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Laspistol push on psyker gets a turborange knockdown
It's basically the Jedi Academy force push
pastel yew
On the bright side martyrdom got buffed
feels good man, I feel it was already pretty good but
if we're playing vet sim
then other shit gotta catch up
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feels good man, I feel it was already pretty good but
Martyr’s TDR got buffed more specifically
Vicious offering buff
Good for martyr as well
pastel yew
what whats the change exactly I am confused
I dont recall seeing anything like that
am I stoopid
pastel yew
just went and ctrl+f on the page, no results
odd
probably should have looked harder
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Vicious offering
Heavy atk kills gain 7.5% 10% total toughness
I Shall Not Fall (Martyrdom TDR)
TDR per stack 5% 6.5%
pastel yew
and I guess the tdr buff is cool?
tankyness was
already insane
I feel like more attack speed
would have been cooler
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Vicious offering is a pretty free pick if u take Bleed for the Emperor
Prob the best toughness gain node on zealot next to second wind
Would also pair well with thunder hammers
earnest bone
i enjoyed it with hs9
pastel yew
I'm so unreasonably happy
that they're giving the empowered strike a unique overhead
and yet so confused why they didnt just give it.. some degree of pleb cleave
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They did
pastel yew
same as the two new .. or.. "new" chainsword variants where they just seem like pretty direct improvements to the attack patterns
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Special activated attack changes:
Added a small amount of cleave to Heavy activated attacks:
Cleave distribution {1.0,3.0}.
Attack power distribution {400,800} when cleaving.
Cannot cleave through Elites, Specialists, Monstrosities and Captains.
for Crucis
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same as the two new .. or.. "new" chainsword variants where they just seem like ...
mk13g is worse than mk4
XV evicerator is cool tho
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still unyelding adm from 5.0 to 3.0
crusher chain 1 bonks will be fun tho
pastel yew
mk13g is worse than mk4
XV evicerator is cool tho
what makes it worse? I've never really used the chainswords 1h
outside of that one patch where they were pretty silly
before getting their lights nerfed
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what makes it worse? I've never really used the chainswords 1h
it's just flat out worse at almost everything except it doesn't need perk investment to 1 shot crusher with rev heavy on zealot with FotF
pastel yew
it's just flat out worse at almost everything except it doesn't need perk invest...
why on earth would you use it on a zealot
who does that to themself
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because zealot has piety and chainswords' best part is that they don't downscale in finesse much in cleave
on veteran it's a question of why'd u run it over the other really strong melee weapons
pastel yew
and that works out better than just using an evis?
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yea
earnest bone
why on earth would you use it on a zealot
i used chainsword 13 a lot before chastise armor nerf
pastel yew
huh, the more you know
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evicerator is not made for horde clear
pastel yew
actually idk what mk2 evis is made for
being the only two handed chainsword two years ago?
uncut pebble
Eviscerator is made for monster hunting.
earnest bone
actually idk what mk2 evis is made for
for better horde clear than mk15
but its not that GREAT to make a big difference
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for better horde clear than mk15
yea except chainswords just do it better
also combat axes exist
it's in an awkward spot
pastel yew
I should commit some time to using the combat axe
pastel yew
the mk3 is the like.. biggest darktide hipster weapon
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there's no mk3 combat axe
earnest bone
mk4 and 12
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there's no mk3 chainaxe either
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mk 3 chain axe
pastel yew
are you fr?
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mk4 and mk12
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IV is 4
XII is 12
earnest bone
for III there's combat knife and vraks
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bro pulled out the roman numeral translations 💀
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mk3 devils claw kinda bussin
pastel yew
best part is the thing I'm confusing
doesnt even have
IV
it just says 4 straight up
I'm just terrible with names
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eev
earnest bone
is that tanner
pastel yew
is that tanner
nah reginald
washed up no skill gamer
aint beat no maelstrom greys only
earnest bone
pastel yew
idk I've not seen much of tanners content
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reginald is at least not toxic
pastel yew
my first introduction to him was just him being a massive asshole and exploding
so I figured I could avoid that
earnest bone
idk I've not seen much of tanners content
I saw that uncanny is bad and shit, was enough for me.
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also tanner just spreads misinfo
earnest bone
Back to my pile of this sht aka 5 uncanny knifes
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very cringe
pastel yew
my understanding is that tanner is generally very good, but not very socially resilient and is becoming a lol cow
also reginald is like
one of the only dartide youtubers
somber axle
I like Mr. Unc
pastel yew
most will be posting sm2 stuff tomorrow if they arent already I'd imagine
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most will be posting sm2 stuff tomorrow if they arent already I'd imagine
didn't reginald just post like 3 sm2 vids lol
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my understanding is that tanner is generally very good, but not very socially re...
he's got too much of an ego to admit when he's wrong
he also happens to be wrong ironically often
pastel yew
yee
pastel yew
he's got too much of an ego to admit when he's wrong
he also happens to be wrong...
yeah I mean mechanical skill doesn't necessarily translate to good information
visa versa
also even people that are knowledgeable can be wrong
or disagree on the importance of stuff
my general take is that darktide optimization is like making formula 1 cars that will only ever be drove on city streets
theres a level of efficiency that does not matter, because something remotely efficient already dominates
unrelated note but SM2 also kinda poopy, I'm hoping the coop is better but... I'm 5 missions in? I think to the main story and it is really not good
very pretty though
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after a certain point in DT min-max, it's all just sidegrades
which is good because it's playstyle variety
which equals more replayability
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unrelated note but SM2 also kinda poopy, I'm hoping the coop is better but... I'...
I heard very mixed reviews on it
friend of mine preordered, played 2hrs of campaign then decided to refund
pastel yew
yeah its nice that a variety of playstyles are all sorta good, to the extent a lot of what you pick is just qol for you
pastel yew
friend of mine preordered, played 2hrs of campaign then decided to refund
the main story is pretty god awful
earnest bone
i said it before that it will be a much better WWZ and it is
pastel yew
maybe its because I dont have sm1 hype
grand perch
I heard very mixed reviews on it
They should let us play the Cadians present
pastel yew
I'm holding out all hope for the pvp or coop content
earnest bone
i'l get it eventually, but right now i'l let them cook some fixes and optimizations
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the main story is pretty god awful
it's serviceable but ultimately generic, is what I heard
pastel yew
They should let us play the Cadians present<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
god I would
sacrifice my first born child
to get a battlefield imperial guard game
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friend of mine preordered, played 2hrs of campaign then decided to refund
he's gonna use the refund money to buy wukong lol
grand perch
Hel yeah
earnest bone
he's gonna use the refund money to buy wukong lol
wukongs great
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holy shit
it's basically GOTY (even thought it's not gonna win)
it's a game with very big problems
earnest bone
this game is... £50 and has 600k revies 95% positive
pastel yew
I'd never even heard of it until this conversation ngl
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but also really strong parts
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I genuinely think wukong's story & writing is the best in gaming yet
earnest bone
money flushed in da toilet
grand perch
Yahtzee was generally positive but mentioned some huge flaws in wukong
lament pond
Sure, but Star War Outlaws gonna be GOTY instead
pastel yew
how souls like is it
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but it's a shame cuz u kinda need to know JTTW lore to fully appreciate it
pastel yew
as I am, a from soft addict
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how souls like is it
u will die a lot
pastel yew
but most souls like games dont land so hot
earnest bone
Sure, but Star War Outlaws gonna be GOTY instead
thats a nice meme
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but u will like it
pastel yew
adding it to my wishlist
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but most souls like games dont land so hot
This isn’t exactly a soulslike game, it’s more GoW but with some souls elements
pastel yew
honestly as long as the combat is tight, and there are reasonably challenging encounters
strong aesthetic
I'll probably love it
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Wukong’s best parts are
Environment & character design
Artistic presentation
Storytelling & writing
Core combat design
But this game is not good in:
Level structure design & player guidance
Certain enemies’ hitbox (you’ll know what I mean after u play it)
High NG+ difficulty balance
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honestly as long as the combat is tight, and there are reasonably challenging en...
Combat is pretty good
pastel yew
okay this seems cool
definitely seems lower budget than other souls likes but like, it still looks good
and even the best looking games can be awful
rip lies of p
forever lying in the bottom of my steam account
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It’s around 40~50hrs for a first playthrough if u actually go do everything
earnest bone
rip lies of p
you didnt like? for their first game i'd say it was pretty good
pastel yew
you didnt like? for their first game i'd say it was pretty good
for a first game ? sure
earnest bone
just weapon balance is kinda whack
pastel yew
but the level design is so bad as to feel pointless
the bosses I did fight seemed cool
visually and mechanically
but the rest of the game is just following a straight path
its extremely linear
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There’re a lot of hidden content in this game (that you’d know to look for if u know JTTW lore well)
earnest bone
maybe they got inspiration from GoW
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its extremely linear
Wukong is also pretty linear but some chapters are more open
pastel yew
isnt god of war meant to be more story character driven?
idk I bounced off of that pretty hard too
pastel yew
Wukong is also pretty linear but some chapters are more open
for context lies of p is like, a very tight straight line, with very non challenging enemies
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Chapter 2, 3 and 4 are more open
Especially chapter 4
Chapter 1 and 5 are mostly linear
earnest bone
isnt god of war meant to be more story character driven?
only since they changed the direction with GoW and GoW Ragnarok
old GoW is more about gameplay and a cutscene at the start or the end of the level
pastel yew
the only thing I remember from the old gow games is quick time event sex scene
earnest bone
pastel yew
what a wild era to be a video game
earnest bone
i think it was gow 2
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Wukong’s difficulty is like
How do I describe it
The sooner u get a feel for stamina & when to use heavy attacks
The better you’ll be
It’s not quite dodge dance like souls titles
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You’re encouraged to make your own openings to attack
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and it seems to be overwhelmingly adored in spite of the negatives you list
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Instead of dodging boss attacks and getting attack window
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guh fucking 8am words are hard
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Instead of dodging boss attacks and getting attack window
that's cool
a lot more how sekiro functioned
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and it seems to be overwhelmingly adored in spite of the negatives you list
Yes because the positives drastically outweigh the negatives in this game’s case
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a lot more how sekiro functioned
This game doesn’t really have parry tho
There’s a spell u get that allows u to i-frame parry but has cooldown & costs mana
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This game doesn’t really have parry tho
yeah similar in that you're trying to take the offensive, compared to say dark souls where you're effectively forced to play in a reactionary manner
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There’s also smth called “seeing through” with varied combo attacks (but u need to be already attacking to use it) that also gives i-frames
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probably the biggest flaw of those games was how limited you were to play offensively
but I guess its just design differences
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probably the biggest flaw of those games was how limited you were to play offens...
Oh if that’s what u want lemme show u this
If u do ur combos well u can actually just infinite combo loop
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unrelenting
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Stagger is a big part in this game
With stagger u get to make ur own attack openings
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Mostly on that boss and other mini bosses though
Although damn that form recharges quick
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no if u use tri-spear + non-able
u can actually combo every humanoid boss
even the final boss
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Does trispear do anything special