Steady Grip and Reloaded and Ready
#veteran-class
primal remnant
tall torrent
Why tho
primal remnant
Even gluggers skipped them in favor of nodes further down the tree. Reloaded and Ready is only really good for specific weapons, namely the rumbler and the kickback, and Steady Grip is a pass for everyone.
Two reasons.
1: the toughness regen from Steady Grip is quite slow, even with our inflated toughness pool and TDR. It is specifically for braced weapons, which are Rippers and TLHS, and as Ogryn, you're mostly going to be bracing during PBB, which already gives enormous toughness regen.
2: Glugger point budget is super tight. You can't just tunnel the right side of the tree, you have to reach left to grab survival nodes too otherwise you become very fragile. Being such a huge target means shooters, which recently got buffed, hit you a lot and can shoot you over the horde meaning they always have a clean shot, and gunners, which will miss smaller classes with many of their shots due to their wide spread, but may as well have laser accuracy on you. That small amount of toughness regen is much less valuable than just having more toughness/TDR/health to tank ranged enemy salvos.
Plus, if you really want toughness regen, it is super easy to get on curios, and the solution is to just stay in coherency.
Big boom is also niche, its great on the Rumbler, funny with the Frag Bomb, mediocre with box, and useless in every other scenario.
Massacre is also very niche. Its only really worth it on Charmed Reload builds, because Ogryn crits have such a low multiplier that if you can't get secondary utility out of crits, they aren't worth even considering when making your build.
You need to take one of the two to get to PBB, and which one you take is based on what you're using. The problem is there are plenty of setups where both are worthless.
Rock plus ripper, for instance
unique orchid
Lore Accurate Guardsman
terse idol
If I really wanted to get a different assessment like
They want players to feel stronger
primal remnant
I just can't see any other way they'd come to the conclusion that buffing vet and zealot and nerfing Ogryn was a good idea
terse idol
I just can't see any other way they'd come to the conclusion that buffing vet an...
Well to be fair ogryns received nerfs and buffs
primal remnant
The buffs were to mostly very niche node options, while nerfs went to a keystone and toughness dr. The exception of course is the PBB buff, which... Is odd, because PBB already overperforms.
I don't think it needed it. I will say however that even with the buff Glugger has the same problem its always had, which is that it is super ammo hungry, and without ammo, you don't have an ability. Unlike exe stance, you don't have a way to regenerate your own ammo either.
serene bough
does anyone know if tunnel vision affects abgilities like ET
tranquil bronze
You know what... I'll keep it because rework coming
iron marten
Duelling Sword on Vet... my prayers were answered
wise fossil
Telopots has given context on their testing process and how he had direct input
You can ask him on stream if you're curious
frank ether
Skill floor for ogryn is like 5 dials down compared to average guardsman larping vet build
frank ether
If you're complaining about PS/Plasma somehow getting buffs yes those are very questionable
If you're complaining about the talent tree buffs thats very much a baby response lmao
the oh so overpowered vet talents like... vanguard, opening salvo, killzone, executioner stance... skirmisher of all things
uncut pebble
Imagine complaining about anything...
So many powerful buffs.
We're reaching the point where "once everyone is OP, no one will be."
And that's pretty damn good, if my 2 cents means anything.
austere mica
If you're complaining about the talent tree buffs thats very much a baby respons...
Parker is getting some very silly shit but I am here for it
uncut pebble
"Parker."
uncut pebble
We know what you meant.
last parcel
thorn lark
I get it @radiant chasm and @tall torrent but it's not like you're really starving on dodges with a taxe. But maybe I'm wrong and constant reciprocity / second wind / duellist / good balance is totally bonkers
uncut pebble
Malefic whatever, that talent that only assail and smite can take, buffing non warp damage is gonna be sickeningly good.
austere mica
"Parker."
Spider-Man is getting some powerful buffs in the next patch, can’t wait to play with it
thorn lark
Malefic whatever, that talent that only assail and smite can take, buffing non w...
Smite the world. OS the crusher.
uncut pebble
Nah, cook that mf with the new rending flamer blessing.
That shit is gonna be so bonkers I can already feel it.
I'm gonna 1 mag a DH with it.
thorn lark
I am sure it will be bugged
Like it will apply to all sb stacks réf as regardless of the origin.
frank ether
there will be a lot of disgusting builds
thats all I know
flamer screen deletion
psyker screen deletion
plasma map deletion
topaz lance
the planned buff to exe stance is great, but why won't they let it trigger WS???
Wuts the reason.
last parcel
because eat shit and die
willow siren
Also worth noting that a lot of diehard ogryn players also play other classes very well, and as such have a strong grasp on where they need to be and when while playing ogryn. Further improving the average experience when an ogryn player is present
elder fiber
Idk most ogryns I play with on auric + mael are dogshit
willow siren
Auric mael became such a nightmare to run thanks to people looking to be carried that quote a few players moved away from jt
elder fiber
I mean normal auric ogryns in my games still suck disproportionately too
willow siren
But that's just my experience, and all players will experience something differnt
elder fiber
The thing is the floor with ogryn is so low, just dodge shit esp disablers and hit shit with heavies to fully regain toughness, so its way more embarassing to see them go down to trash over random psyker, exe vet etc
faint beacon
I main Veteran but play Ogryn on the side and tend to carry with Ogryn lmao
willow siren
I almost never see other ogryns while playing ogryn, and when I do it's usually a 3 ogryn sweep squad
faint beacon
I shockingly get put in Duos frequently
willow siren
The thing is the floor with ogryn is so low, just dodge shit esp disablers and h...
Eh, I think vet is easier than ogryn atm. It's very easy to force a team forward with shout resetting
But again, all our experiences will be different
Such is the nature of online play
I am pretty excited to see how the pysker chnages play out though
I enjoy the class alot
I'm not especially good at it, but I do enjoy it
red robin
So like
What is base ranged weapon finesse?
How do you even check that?
All are guns the same modifier?
Or do some ranged weapons have differing finesse values?
austere mica
Every single weapons has different finesse values
last parcel
time for a 36 page slideshow
red robin
How do you check that?
austere mica
And for a lot of them you have to calculate it using the inspect attacks table
willow siren
How do you check that?
austere mica
Others list it under their Finesse percentage stat
red robin
Man
willow siren
We love invisible stats
mortal orbit
I almost never see other ogryns while playing ogryn, and when I do it's usually ...
Ogryns great until that gunner line decides to say hello. Or a sniper gets neglected
I vet mainly to keep big poppa free of those folks.
red robin
I just want to see what ranged weapons do well with 10% weakspot and 10% crit damage + marksmen focus
willow siren
Ogryns great until that gunner line decides to say hello. Or a sniper gets negle...
Indeed, alot of things just punish an ogrym really bad.
red robin
A man can dream
austere mica
I just want to see what ranged weapons do well with 10% weakspot and 10% crit da...
Those are terrible weapon perks
Among the worst
red robin
Yeah I don’t care
willow siren
After the shooter buff, it got so bad I swapped to vet just to get through missions
red robin
They’re bad I know
mortal orbit
The deciding factor of an auric run most of the time is if ur lil un's know target prio
red robin
It just buffs the crit and weakspot in itself
mortal orbit
Cus no matter how spot on you are with a GG, the reload will catch up
red robin
Which is just 10% of the 25% bonus of crit/weakspot damage from the base damage
Horrific math for those perks
willow siren
The deciding factor of an auric run most of the time is if ur lil un's know targ...
Aye, though I think in general that's true of all missions. When thr tram lacks someone hunting elites or players who know what's a threat and when it's easy to wipe
faint beacon
Aye, though I think in general that's true of all missions. When thr tram lacks ...
I tend to find my biggest source of wipes is people splitting up instead of Target Priority
willow siren
I tend to find my biggest source of wipes is people splitting up instead of Targ...
My biggest source of wipes is pox bombers
faint beacon
its probably cause my build genuinely is very generalist and I can stretch to pure special killing or pure horde clear on Veteran
last parcel
my biggest source of wipes is taking a shit
faint beacon
Asmongold never wipes, thus he's good at Darktide
mortal orbit
Splitting is cool but idk i usually run pubs. But when i duo'd with my buddy we'd purposely split to make a room easier to manage
faint beacon
easy
last parcel
shiii maybe i need a blood gum wall too
mortal orbit
In a pub w/no comms i agree splitting is bad.
willow siren
Splittings effectiveness is determined by players situational awareness
And the mercy of the director in that moment
faint beacon
shiii maybe i need a blood gum wall too
Live footage of Asmon's House
willow siren
Bc sometimes the director decides it's time for you to die
mortal orbit
Hell ya. The good ole, hey lets fall back and now theres a silent spawn behind poxbuster/trapper
faint beacon
the 18 maulers
willow siren
And there ain't shit you can do
last parcel
Live footage of Asmon's House
sheeesh they got the black pepper dill dough
faint beacon
I will never not get upset about hounds getting me through walls
willow siren
And ngl it usually doesn't bother me when jt happens, unless it's like some wild bs
faint beacon
that shit will PISS me off
mortal orbit
Best director f u was silent trapper/flamer from nowhere. To this day i swear they agent smithed groaners
willow siren
Silent crushers haunt my dreams
tough olive
yah overhead outta nowhere just ends your run
somber axle
Sometimes sticking to the team can make you weirdly complacent
Team advancing
You turn around to deal with specials that spawned from behind
In the 2 seconds you look away a Crusher sneaks from behind you and kills you while the rest of your squad has suddenly vanished
It's like a magic trick!
The illusion of safety of the team covering your back while you cover theirs
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somber axle
I'm going to turn off all sound for Darktide and see how much harder the game is without sound queues
I apologize to anyone who stumbles into a deaf clown in 10 minutes
last parcel
it’s fucking miserable
somber axle
No sound to know when to dodge
last parcel
just shoot yourself it’s much easier
somber axle
No sound to know if a poxburster is coming
No sound to know when a trapper or hound has spawned
uncut pebble
I played for a while without sound or spidey sense, blasting loud ass music. It's honestly not that hard, just keep your head on a swivel or the heretics will take it off.
earnest bone
I'm going to turn off all sound for Darktide and see how much harder the game is...
Unless you also turnoff Spidey Sense, that wont change much
but an auric mod with NO SOUNDS would be a nightmare
doubt anyone would willingly play that (imagine a console player w/o mods)
uncut pebble
It also made me notice something strange in higher difficulties... the game will randomly spawn gunners behind your team.
Like... a lot of gunners.
earnest bone
its just how spawn works in FS game
somber axle
Unless you also turnoff Spidey Sense, that wont change much
I play unmodded
My interface is vanilla
uncut pebble
I remember I was running around like a goofball with my knife zealout and I ran into like 12 scab gunners that weren't there like 30 seconds ago.
earnest bone
It also made me notice something strange in higher difficulties... the game will...
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somber axle
Whatever mods you imagine I am using, the only one I occasionally touch is Scoreboard to track performance
slow sky
Like... a *lot* of gunners.
earnest bone
69 alternative accounts
earnest bone
imagine not having psyker aneurysm
the old recon lasguns without automod would be ouch, either to fingers or broken LMB
somber axle
the old recon lasguns without automod would be ouch, either to fingers or broken...
huh
I'm the insane clown who mained Recon Mk VId before Secrets of the Machine God when they were buffed into acceptable/good status
it was fine
somber axle
it's not like the Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun with weapon Specialist
somber axle
didnt they make them auto recently?
they're always been automatic
last parcel
has homie been tapfiring recons
somber axle
and tbh even the Mk IV iLas is still fine with Weapon Specialist
sometimes you just want to go 100% unhinged and tap mouse as fast as you can
I've taken two 5 hour energies back to back and it's time to use my irl celerity stim for evil
dreamy spade
That's a new blessing?
uncut pebble
It's not direct damage, it's just a percentage of rending added to the DOT.
earnest bone
Slapped Infernus.
Now, here's the DOT. Now give rending.
mortal orbit
I'm going to turn off all sound for Darktide and see how much harder the game is...
Play on xbox, very common bug when there are large mobs atm.
Praise emprah if the update solves the issues, cus the games amazing.
midnight mesa
Play on xbox, very common bug when there are large mobs atm.
Usually when loading in
Sometimes there is no sound when you just like
Join a game in progress
For a bit
Which is fine most of the time but it fucking sucks when it's like
I join a Damnation game
midnight mesa
So happens that I join in the middle of like
mortal orbit
Auric, damn. Anything over the top is usually ruined by something
midnight mesa
5 crushers, a crowd of pox walkers, 3 trappers, and Emperor knows what else
mortal orbit
Final room the other day was 5 nurgle ddos's, we're running to the elevator and it hits me just before we hit the button
midnight mesa
And I only have like a second to react otherwise I will be mauled
dreamy spade
Pox hounds have been broken recently
mortal orbit
Prior to that it was clean. But once we started scribing i got the tech plague
midnight mesa
Hate the fact that trappers can occasionally like
Have their nets go through corners/props
mortal orbit
Turning off crossplay has saved me from the poxhound/trapper nonsense, good find.
mortal orbit
But finding groups for auric is impossible.
dreamy spade
You mean a net won't phase through a horde of crushers?
somber axle
Play on xbox, very common bug when there are large mobs atm.
the only time I've bought a game on both console and PC is Fallout 4 and only because I made the mistake of buying it on console first, realising the modding limitations of console, and immediately buying it on PC for a better experience
console is comfy but like the main reason for using it is the controller and that's compatible with PC versions anyway
that sound bug sounds pretty awful though
mortal orbit
Fair. Ngl id pick up a pc if it were in the budget.
somber axle
I know there are some audio bugs where a specific enemy during battle will be silent but not like the whole game
mortal orbit
I have faith theyll fix it. The game prior to the latest big patch ran flawlessly and got me hooked
mortal orbit
Affordable and i have a +150 library of stuff to dip into
somber axle
I mean getting a PC cheaper than a console is probably getting some old hardware that will struggle for modern titles
mortal orbit
Do believe if steam allowed me to link my library id pick up a nice mini pc.
thin stone
Very basado
earnest bone
the only time I've bought a game on both console and PC is Fallout 4 and only be...
I made a mistake with Fallout New Vegas on PS3
gritty mural
please tell me they are nerfing the plasma gun by making the overheat system actually punish the user for using the gun too much
earnest bone
even tho i platinum'd the game (all achievements) it was a pain, due to RAM limitations, the more you play and the heavier your save file is
the less your game will be stable
after 25+ hours of playing (on one save file) your PS3 will NOT work for more than 20 minutes average
after 20 minutes it will be a hard crash with console reboot
and this was the latest update, can only imagine the nightmare before that, from what i saw on the net, Skyrim suffered from the same problem.
radiant chasm
I get it <@301217938306760704> and <@366562874039992331> but it's not like you'...
Way
It’s not like the talent will be omg must have, both weapons need im pretty sure will need more than 10% weakspot damage to hit their harder adms
It’s that agile just completely breaks the game and the only thing holding it back is BPs
somber axle
I made a mistake with Fallout New Vegas on PS3
any of the Fallout games on console is a mistake LOL
but I do love the playstation controller
it just feels nice
even if all my friends prefer the feel of the xbox controller
radiant chasm
Refreshing dodges on hit with no cooldown basically turns you into pre nerf forcesword infinite dodges as long as you have enemies
Except you have even better dodges on dueling sword (i just woke up can’t remember taxe dodges)
earnest bone
Except you have even better dodges on dueling sword (i just woke up can’t rememb...
tax has 5
earnest bone
ah
radiant chasm
Ds4 has great speed distance and ds5 is actually better than that
I dont even mind the dodge reset itself okay that is cool and unique
It’s onhit, with no cooldown, it just needs a limiter and then you can tune up the damage a bit
earnest bone
i will try tax with BM + Agile for sure, but for DS idk, either Precog(Riposte) + Agile or Uncanny + Agile
choosing utility blessings over DPS is always heartbreaking
radiant chasm
It’s just silly
I remember the shimmy crab psykers
When they started to abuse forcesword infinite dodges
Pretty sure you could do funny ds5 speedruns with this xd
radiant chasm
Oh yea and their were whiners about it too xd
When your weapon only has above average dodges
earnest bone
Oh yea and their were whiners about it too xd
tell that to vets after survivalist nerf
steam forums exploded
radiant chasm
Meanwhile until the 26th of this month chainaxe is tied for the worst dodges while it’s fucking onehanded
earnest bone
yeah, even with Zealot momentum which buff dodges it feels pretty meh
radiant chasm
A 1 handed chainaxe should not be as heavy
radiant chasm
by that logic 2h axe will have dodges like Ogryns
No
If only you knew
How bad things really are
Chainaxe dodge
Is 5% shorter
Than branx dodge
It already has dodges like ogryn
earnest bone
radiant chasm
Like im not even mad it’s not some hypermobile weapon but it’s onehanded and it’s tied for last place in dodges
earnest bone
Orestes Assault Chainaxes
Slightly improved the Dodge Distance range on the Mobility stat, from {0.8-0.9} to {0.9-1.0}.
Slightly improved the Block cost.
Slightly improved the Sprint cost at lower Defences stat values.
well its still
radiant chasm
After it, it will just be pretty below average since it’s just a 10% buff to distance
earnest bone
not that good
I didnt tried chainaxe on vet, but on zealot without TWBS with such shit dodges its a nightmare
with TWBS it feels fine
at least
earnest bone
i never paid attention to what they use tbh
but this means 3D model also exist already
thin socket
I love auric maelstroms. Just ran the new shovel through one. It exceeds expectations.
shadow basin
thoughts on my shotgun build? anything y'all would do different?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cf3acc6-b4c6-4175-897f-c47d43df7592/abraham-lincolns-second-approved-build
lyric wadi
Is the Accatran Recon Lasgun good for the support vet?
thin stone
How to save ammo as veteran
Man I feel like I absolutely suck at playing veteran and I should try Zealot
😭
radiant chasm
How to save ammo as veteran
Better ranged weapons with better builds are more efficient. Survivalist will stretch out your ammo supply, shocktrooper talent gives lasguns a ton of ammo efficiency. Also the maps have like 5000% in ammo drops
radiant chasm
Melee
thin stone
I keep getting rekt by that one stray pox Walker hit
radiant chasm
Make sure you use your horizontal/sweeping attacks which for some weapons will require comboing your lights and heavies in a specific order
Yes use all your tools
Pushing, blocking, dodging
Some weapons have a followup push attack that is a sweep that is good for clearing space
radiant chasm
Yes the game has a whoosh for incoming melee attacks and you can block 360
thin stone
I see
lyric dock
It's not the stuff in front of you that beats you down. It's the stuff behind you
thin stone
Maybe my mouse is trash with too much latency, I have 2 dollar mouse
radiant chasm
Fast weapons that can swap quickly will enable you to juggle
lyric dock
I seen Vets and psykers drop from a lone brusier or pox walker behind them
thin stone
I need to get a new mouse
thin stone
I seen Vets and psykers drop from a lone brusier or pox walker behind them
Yes that's me
radiant chasm
Yea lol i have never heard of a mouse having latency
thin stone
Fast weapons that can swap quickly will enable you to juggle
Which weapons are that
I use Columnus mk 5 + shovel
radiant chasm
DT almost behaves as a rhythm game has you go up the difficulties
thin stone
Yea lol i have never heard of a mouse having latency
Well it's wireless
radiant chasm
I use Columnus mk 5 + shovel
Both are midrange when it comes to handling iirc but both are great
radiant chasm
Well it's wireless
Wtf you get this from temu?
radiant chasm
2$ wireless mouse sounds like, idk, that it might give your computer a virus
shadow basin
i read somewhere that some wireless mouses have a lower latency than wired mouses
radiant chasm
i read somewhere that some wireless mouses have a lower latency than wired mouse...
Depends on the wire vs quality of wireless connection
thin socket
I stick to wired.
shadow basin
true!
shadow basin
thoughts on my shotgun build? anything y'all would do different?
https://darktid...
also, bump
radiant chasm
But i prefer a good wired, batteries are expensive and having to charge is also annoying asf
shadow basin
i would do wired everything but my adhd compels me to chew wires like a rat
radiant chasm
And id take a cheap wire over a wireless in the same price range anyday i played with the cheapest walmart mice there is before
radiant chasm
i would do wired everything but my adhd compels me to chew wires like a rat
Huh i have that with plastic bottle caps
shadow basin
ayyy i'm not weird 🤝
radiant chasm
also, bump
Im on mobile
So
Your shotgun blessings dont make sense
Psword is great
But scattershot without manstopper is pointless
shadow basin
psword is an absolute power trip i love it
radiant chasm
And it’s a kantrael
lyric dock
Yes that's me
This is kinda of the situations you'll run into the higher diffs (From one of my Auric runs)
thin socket
No cara on sword?
shadow basin
But scattershot without manstopper is pointless
ah, yeah, i hadn't considered that those are a bit of an anti-synergy
radiant chasm
Unless you get manstopper in place of no respite i would not run scattershot
shadow basin
No cara on sword?
i've found that even with the carapice perk, i don't meet any new breakpoints on my specific sword
radiant chasm
Kanty is not lawbringer which does have good finesse values
Carapace elites lets you activate PA light light a crusher
shadow basin
oooh shit i haven't tried that
i'll have to give that a go
does kantrael have any advantages over lawbringer or is it generally worse?
radiant chasm
You don’t take survivalist on a shotgun and you dont take weapon specialist reloading for you
radiant chasm
does kantrael have any advantages over lawbringer or is it generally worse?
Kanty has terrible damage fall off, it’s main draw is the fire shot but that’s been power crept
shadow basin
You don’t take survivalist on a shotgun and you dont take weapon specialist relo...
yeah i've found that one point could be used better elsewhere, and i was using a lot of points just for survivalist, which is great but those points would also be better used elsewhere imo
radiant chasm
Kanty hits hard pointblank but double barrel hits harder, has less falloff and works like lawbringer with crit
Manstopper is insane and it sucks at level 30 how hard it is to get cause it’s t2 only
shadow basin
yeah, can't wait for the itemization rework
lyric dock
Just a bit more
radiant chasm
If keeping no respite id go deathspitter instead of scattershot
shadow basin
iirc somewhere they said that all the blessings that were locked at low tiers were getting higher tier variants, i'm especially excited for manstopper t3 and 4
radiant chasm
iirc somewhere they said that all the blessings that were locked at low tiers we...
All blessings will be t1-t4 with the update,
lyric dock
Blaze away 4 my beloved
shadow basin
ayy i correctly remembered something :D
thin stone
This is my current fit
shadow basin
If keeping no respite id go deathspitter instead of scattershot
alright, thank you very much for the feedback!!
thin stone
someone suggest a talent tree for shovel + colmnus mk5 build?
radiant chasm
This is my current fit
Until ur name turns red you cant post images
thin stone
yeh I realised that
radiant chasm
And nobody will explode
thin stone
can someone suggest a built though
lyric dock
And nobody will explode
Except for the 4 psyker squads
radiant chasm
Shout, weapon specialist, survivalist, kraks
thin stone
someone suggest a talent tree for shovel + colmnus mk5 build?
this
thin stone
Shout, weapon specialist, survivalist, kraks
I see
radiant chasm
Covers your melee, gives you ammo sustain, passes through good nodes for damage
Ignore how badly i ordered them
I am fucked irl
New medication fucked my sleep
thin stone
do I need the monstrosities 20% damage one?
lyric dock
Though I would suggest you start to get better at Melee basics. If you're on PC you can grab a mod called Creature spawner https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/25
thin stone
Though I would suggest you start to get better at Melee basics. If you're on PC ...
what are the melee basics again
I have munitorium MK7 Shovel
is that good?
lyric dock
what are the melee basics again
Dodging, blocking, the melee stuff
radiant chasm
All the shovels are all rounders
lyric dock
How to fight a horde in melee to reduce as much damage as you can take from said horde
radiant chasm
Well the folding ones crunch armor too
Using your attack pattern the right way aka focusing on sweeps for horde
lyric dock
Melees should always complement your range weapon. Range weapon good at dealing with single targets. Get a Melee that covers hordes
radiant chasm
Melees should always complement your range weapon. Range weapon good at dealing ...
Shovel columnus is def good
Shovel with uncanny strike can bonk armor while still holding itself in a horde
And columnus is just a beast
lyric dock
I don't really use the Columnus so I don't have much of a thought on it
radiant chasm
Well it’s the highest dps autogun in the game
lyric dock
I tend to bias towards the Las pistols, Helbore 2, and the random mood for Plasma and Revolver
radiant chasm
Shreds flak up close, shreds unyielding, ramps up it’s damage heavily
Bit of a kick on the recoil but nothing if you played fps before
lyric dock
I might dabble with it when the update hits
Too used to my Las pistol making me very ammo efficient when I get groups that vacuum up all the ammo on the map
And considering my luck with groups I get as Vet both in normal Damnation and Auric. Yeah I like the ability to have infinite ammo
mortal orbit
Shock trooper turns u into a staff psyker
pine snow
mortal orbit
Unlimited lasers, if ur blessed by the empy's crit chance
lyric dock
Shock trooper turns u into a staff psyker
Without exploding
brave bobcat
Fatshark Im on my knees BEGGING YOU
hollow warren
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cf3d770-b883-4ca3-b72c-80952c0f2c8b/plasma-expert
your thoughs? is this a viable build?
radiant chasm
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cf3d770-b883-4ca3-b72c-80952c0f2c8b/pl...
Only small nitpicks on talents, plasma eats up ammo but no survivalist, taking cqz over reciprocate
delicate hornet
lmao just got atoma's elite guard despite someone dying due to an insta-death rather than getting downed x)
radiant chasm
And on curios you dont need 3x gunner resistance
Those have diminishing returns and plasma is good at clearing gunners
2x is the max id run and pick something else
Or just got 3x ability cdr cause you have ironwill and shout
delicate hornet
krak grenades dont really work well with plasma which is a pick/AA weapon, shredders are much better for this build
radiant chasm
That too
Shredders>kraks if you have plasma and rashad
Both of those wreck ogryns
Shredders will let you drop breathing room
delicate hornet
how effective is rending strikes on plasma? ive never really bothered to pick it
like does it change any breakpoints?
delicate hornet
Shreds flak up close, shreds unyielding, ramps up it’s damage heavily
columnus can also competently handle carapace with onslaught due to high ROF
radiant chasm
columnus can also competently handle carapace with onslaught due to high ROF
that's still a lot of ammo, it's not like the recon vid that doesnt' care about it's ammo count
i've done the whole 10% rending+ onslaught on ciag and it didn't feel worth at all compared to using melee or kraks
delicate hornet
its definitely not as good as other weapons (recon vid is silly good) for carapace but it doesnt slouch
ammo economy isnt terrible either, ive rarely found myself having to hog ammo to upkeep it
i think shredders also stack with the brittleness it gives from onslaught but i could be mistaken
hollow warren
so I've tanken into consideration everything mentioned above and this is what I came up with
or instead of Superiority Complex I could pick the +5% Crit Chance
earnest bone
thats what i used to run in my younger days, but i dropped 10% rending (its not useful if you arent getting onslaught and even with that i didnt feel a need to get it while running onslaught)
with 1 point free you can swap frag grenades for krag grenades and stun the bosses with them
or kill packs of crushers/bulwarks
even non-improved are fine
delicate hornet
thats what i used to run in my younger days, but i dropped 10% rending (its not ...
onslaught isnt really valid on plasma because of its breakpoints
krak grenades do not synergise with plasma either
earnest bone
onslaught isnt really valid on plasma because of its breakpoints
that wasnt a reference to plasma, but VId
delicate hornet
his build is plasma
red robin
jesus christ
i wish there was a easier method of figuring out ranged finesse without having math autism
am i really going to learn math through my hyperfixation of darktide crit/headshot damage
earnest bone
you'l get math autism only if you go figure out revolver breakpoints or maybe hellbore
the others should be fine
red robin
trying to figure out vraks 7 headhunter
earnest bone
that should be a bit easier
red robin
apparently it is 270% finesse at 80% damage stat
delicate hornet
learn math
opens box
addition and multiplication
red robin
but there's a patch that increased its modifier
red robin
> learn math
> opens box
> addition and multiplication
bro I am a visual thinker, im not a guy that thinks with logic and numbers
my ancestors would be ashamed at my inefficiency
untold hull
> learn math
> opens box
> addition and multiplication
I mean yeah, that's how it generally works for V2
red robin
delicate hornet
twas a joke :)
delicate hornet
I mean yeah, that's how it generally works for V2
im interested in what the curve is like tho
red robin
damn, thanks for the joke man, I misinterpreted it, I need the mirth before I torture myself with figuring out damage math
untold hull
im interested in what the curve is like tho
for Vermintide 2
red robin
so if i am trying to figure out the finesse curve, am i pulling the critical weakspot damage in breakdowns?
if so the finesse increase to critical weakspot is 272 x 3.25 = 884 against unarmored
I just wish they listed the finesse curve under damage %
apparently the damage stat on ranged weapons determines finesse range
odd sparrow
What that is whacky. I think that only applies to the headhunter tho
red robin
yeah there is different values for every ranged weapon
red robin
I just want to figure out how decent 10% critical hit damage and 10% weakspot damage perks + 100% critical weakspot damage from deadly accurate does
odd sparrow
Altho catfish math being awful is par for the course
Think they stack additively
as in 10+10+100
red robin
i know i'll get more bang for my buck with 25% flak and maniac
odd sparrow
Definitely
red robin
but I like the idea of critical headshots doing more damage
it is a unreasonable motive but I like when crit headshot do more damage
let me drown in my inefficiency
tall torrent
I just want to figure out how decent 10% critical hit damage and 10% weakspot da...
The 10% don’t matter much
Deadly accurate is usually substantially more damage in 1 shot
red robin
I am starting to notice that
tall torrent
But outside of headhunter, there’re better choices to take imo
red robin
dreg gunner got 1400 hp, its overkill with what I want to use
tall torrent
Like for infantry lasguns, ghost + headhunter is pretty standard
red robin
Yeah that is fun
fishing for ghost 4 and headhunter 4
I never knew the 1.2 seconds of immunity to ranged fire counted as dodging for proc'ing reciprocity + duck and dive
that's insane for the las gun
tall torrent
It’s also just nice to tank shooters & gunners
kind otter
I never knew the 1.2 seconds of immunity to ranged fire counted as dodging for p...
Oh, I love ghost spam but never bothered taking reciprocity before. Noted
old prism
stripped down also works 
delicate hornet
stripped down + duck and dive for shenanigans
red robin
aight
i stopped my foolish aspirations
just realized opening salvo is just better for interval rapid fire vs waiting for surgical and deadly accurate to over kill something
me rn removing 10% critical damage and weakspot damage for 25% flak/maniac
old prism
me rn removing 10% critical damage and weakspot damage for 25% flak/maniac
its not your fault, blame fatshark for that one
earnest bone
19 more days and Las Vegas casino will transform into some local lottery shop
red robin
unfun math ngl
wish it did (base damage + finesse curve damage increase) x 0.1 increase instead of base damage + (finesse curve damage increase x 0.1)
idk if it would break their game if they were to change how the 10% critical damage and 10% weakspot damage weapon perk functioned coded math wise
i just want those modifiers boosting after the total
yeah
and the mk 3 combat blade
yeah
it's essentially an all entity dmg increase
i think its fine but I'd appreciate if range weapons listed finesse curve on their damage slider
tall torrent
just realized opening salvo is just better for interval rapid fire vs waiting fo...
On which gun
red robin
vraks 7
tall torrent
On Vraks 7, surgical + DA is usually better
Opening salvo takes way more investment to get flamer 1 shot
Surgical DA crit one taps them
red robin
yeah i have two vraks built for either build
marksmen focus + chink in their armor + rending strikes on my opening salvo + no respite vraks
20% rending + 25% flak/maniac
it does ok with executioners stance
but that's situational
tall torrent
Normally, surgical + DA, flak + unarmored will hit every breakpoint
crimson pebble
You think heavy sword or dueling will be more game changing for vet @tall torrent
tall torrent
You think heavy sword or dueling will be more game changing for vet <@3665628740...
Equal prob? But I think people would gravitate more towards duelling sword because they heard of it from psyker
Even though duelling sword would be very one dimensional
red robin
im soy for the dueling sword having agile
gray heron
they need to change out the shop for this week
crimson pebble
It will change thurs unlesd they delay it which could very well happen
gray heron
its past thurs
tall torrent
It’s supposed to be next Thursday
crimson pebble
Itll either be random ass dog wash or some sort of tie in w sm2 if i had to guess
gray heron
lol i just need me fix my lords
crimson pebble
We need you in their cosmetic team asap
gray heron
first thing i'd do, the imperial maid set lol
crimson pebble
What 
hollow warren
In the words of Sgt. Hartman: "What is this Mickey Mouse shit?"
lyric dock
slim creek
Not enough ribbons
idle swallow
probably just a me thing but seeing sweaty psword&plasma vets in pubs is kinda cringe, just play outside the meta comfort zone at least a little bit and when you pop off in a match it'll be that much more satisfying
lyric dock
I generally don't mind what people run as long as they do as well as they can barring Darktide being Darktide and just making you its personal bitch that game
And don't hog all the ammo. Looking at you Gunkers who blow your entire ammo reserves in the first horde
midnight totem
Nah, I'm going to shoot everything and force you to learn to be a melee god
lyric dock
What was that soldier. Speak up. Can't hear you over my Las pistol still on its 1 battery since the start of mission
midnight totem
I said blood for the emperor skulls for the golden throne!
midnight totem
pseudo fiber
This recon thing pretty good
restive raptor
Finally hit level 30 for my veteran!
Now I gotta work on getting all my weapons golden
And my tree flushed out
Then it's Auric levels for me
serene bough
umbral scaffold
Finally hit level 30 for my veteran!
is there an easy way to do this?
arctic rampart
Play the game, you can reach your goals, I'm living proof
umbral scaffold
I've just been playing regular maelstroms but whether your teammates are good or not is just luck
arctic rampart
Isn't getting level 30 these days basically 30 missions
frank monolith
not sure but i just take krak now since it deals with balwalks
supple stag
Frags are considered better
Kraks remove armor and deal decent boss damage with tinkerer
tame lodge
anyways is krak or frag better?
frags Each of them have their role, no such thing as better
tall torrent
anyways is krak or frag better?
Frag is higher overall damage against mixed hordes
Krak is anti-armor and boss damage
Different function & purpose
last parcel
kraks look like the eggs that go with my ovipositor so they’re much better
tame lodge
Whatever makes you happy, I guess
serene bough
If you had to pick one I'd argue shredders are better for most situations
Especially if you bring a weapon w/ uncanny strikes since it'll let you bleed through armor
rigid pilot
Kraks vs bosses is very dumb lmao
raven notch
Frags had let me deal with a very hot drop into Auric quick play
Love me some shredders
tranquil bronze
Yeah I'll keep this one too for the upcoming rework
low pagoda
Curious*
last parcel
ahm fuckin FUMIN
last parcel
what's the best gun for make every shot count
zarona revolver, plasma, shotguns
oblique totem
I used a shotgun
last parcel
don’t shoot bulwarks
ocean heron
don’t shoot bulwarks
got krak anyway
ocean heron
zarona revolver, plasma, shotguns
see thing is
I'm using agrippina infantry
and it feels like I'm running out of ammo quickly and maintaining a lot of accuracy, because I mainly pull it out on hordes or monstrosities
last parcel
ok then use it
ocean heron
alr
oblique totem
Any gun works, but those are ones where you can be most sure you'll run out of ammo and miss rarely
tame lodge
and it feels like I'm running out of ammo quickly and maintaining a lot of accur...
aim heads
How does that help you make every shot count? Idk
tall torrent
what's the best gun for make every shot count
Double barrel shotgun
oblique totem
Shoot gun. Donut miss
tame lodge
I'd say 1 or 2 shots
but that's because I run MF
Huh, there's the message from 5 minutes ago
dire olive
Remember, jumping off a bridge at the start of the mission halves your ammo immediately 
ocean heron
I didn't get it
I have been trying this for a fucking week, I am about to LOSE MY GODDAMN MIND
oblique totem
Try another approach, then
ocean heron
Try another approach, then
I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING I CAN FUCKING THINK OF
last parcel
did you try any of the 6 weapons we mentioned
oblique totem
different weapons? Different talents?
ocean heron
I am going to have an aneurysm
oblique totem
Only shoot at monstrosities?
ocean heron
did you try any of the 6 weapons we mentioned
yes.
ocean heron
Only shoot at monstrosities?
no.
oblique totem
Rolling for a weapon that has a low ammo count?
tame lodge
If you miss a shot
Hit another 5
ocean heron
ykw fuck it I'm rolling an autopistol
oblique totem
Marking a target helps too, as does exe stance
faint beacon
Man I just had to deal with an Ogryn who kept shooting poxbursters when they got remotely close to anyone
tall torrent
I have been trying this for a fucking week, I am about to `LOSE MY GODDAMN MIND`
Double barrel shotgun
tall torrent
Man I just had to deal with an Ogryn who kept shooting poxbursters when they got...
U still on?
faint beacon
After the 4th burster I just fucking left
tall torrent
Vc?
faint beacon
not atm
tall torrent
Np I’ll get on
faint beacon
@tall torrent Noticed the uses for O4B
but like
With how i play this build
Confirmed Kill is more useful
tall torrent
Confirmed Kill is more useful
Yea
faint beacon
O4B is more like
tall torrent
I think it’ll be rly down to how much of a difference that 25% swap speed makes
O4B is good tho
faint beacon
get more toughness off of hordes
faint beacon
Anyways let me change this build real quick
tall torrent
I’d take 25% swap speed
faint beacon
never fucking mind
tall torrent
But not necessarily go down O4B path
faint beacon
But not necessarily go down O4B path
Whats the other node next to O4B
tall torrent
Whats the other node next to O4B
Tac reload
tall torrent
It’s for shotguns
tall torrent
Cause I see O4B's Value
The way I see it is
I think I’ll still take CK path as starter
But I’ll likely take swap speed if I have 1 spare point
Actually if I play Boltgun
faint beacon
Yeah honestly
tall torrent
I’d prob take swap + tac reload
faint beacon
On The Move might be a
tall torrent
It’s perfect
faint beacon
"Extra Point usage" perk
tall torrent
One Motion is just good on its own
faint beacon
cause its actually kinda useful if it does what we think it is
tall torrent
I can’t spare that 1 point for plasma tho
I can spare for laspistol
And maybe boltpistol?
faint beacon
the 1 of 4 laspistol players
Bistol would honestly kinda need it seeing its deploy is slower than like
Zarona
3 Cleave soon btw
faint beacon
Steel Legion sending some more bodies to help with Atoma
hollow warren
Give 'em the old "Steel Legion Hello" would ya?
marsh helm
no yellow trenchcoats tho heavy breathing
faint beacon
no yellow trenchcoats tho *heavy breathing*
Grenadiers is the best way I can summarize it
toxic cedar
anyone got a good build for boltpistol and shock maul combo?
still perch
Steel Legion sending some more bodies to help with Atoma
where do u get this skin
final charm
where do u get this skin
Commodore’s Vestures, in game cash shop.
still perch
thanks
rotund tartan
anyone got a good build for boltpistol and shock maul combo?
man stopper both barrels
idle swallow
double barrel boltpistol hell yeah, now we're talkin
urban steppe
Steel Legion sending some more bodies to help with Atoma
me wants to send space marine 2 screen but... idk if i can lol
frank monolith
I am convinced that the director is just spawning extra trappers behinds things since i have no clue where that extra trapper came from https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxWrK5LPL7ZaIjFIEkkCXIuDHDZpkAP0Jy?si=bHaGyowsAWE0UUoE
mortal orbit
Director has embraced the mantra of when in doubt, whip it out
scarlet path
I am convinced that the director is just spawning extra trappers behinds things ...
POV: rejects when AI director does anything
last parcel
duck and dive talent
iron marten
frank monolith
quick question does krak grenades take in buff that you have, e.g close quarter killzone
low pagoda
stretched res low graphics you are some csgo player ?
umbral scaffold
ive heard some grenades could be boosted by stuff liek that yes specifically i dont know if thoses do though
iron marten
stretched res low graphics you are some csgo player ?
I used to play it religiously lol
frank monolith
ive heard some grenades could be boosted by stuff liek that yes specifically i d...
frank monolith
I used to play it religiously lol
I tried it but i face cheaters every 3 rank games with my friends (so we went back to valo)
iron marten
That’s fair
last parcel
quick question does krak grenades take in buff that you have, e.g close quarter ...
some of them
i think redirect fire should be focus target though unless there's some black magic fatshark fuckery
frank monolith
some of them
i think redirect fire should be focus target though unless there's ...
I sea thanks now i know im not using my ability for no reason when i throw the kraks against bosses
rotund tartan
do you mean talents
toxic cedar
uh
no but I am kinda clueless
haven’t played in a bit but I love the boltpistol but it feels so hard to use for some reason
especially over just bonking everything with the shock stick
severe gale
wait are those perks
they’re blessings
toxic cedar
yeah
the weapon perks
so man stopper and double barreled are both blessings
for the bolt pistol?
mb if I sound dumb bc I barely know wtf im talking ab
severe gale
for the bolt pistol?
no
toxic cedar
oh
severe gale
those are blessings that can go on the double barrel shotgun
toxic cedar
damn
toxic cedar
didn’t know there was a double barrel pistol
severe gale
i mistyped lol
severe gale
didn’t know there was a double barrel pistol
bolt pistol can either go surgical and deadly accurate, for good crit weakspot damage, or lethal proximity and run n gun, for a grenadier build
toxic cedar
bolt pistol has a couple options of what you can do
I only have run and gun and the up close kill blessings on mine rn
severe gale
as lethal proximity buffs the size of your explosions while equipped
severe gale
what’s lethal proximity do
so you can throw a shredder frag, swap to the bolt pistol
hearty panther
I can't believe they're deleting Vanguard. I'm so heartbroken.
severe gale
and the explosion is like 50% bigger
severe gale
I can't believe they're deleting Vanguard. I'm so heartbroken.
wha
toxic cedar
yeah I always seem to miss or never do enough damage to specials with my bolt pistol
toxic cedar
so you can throw a shredder frag, swap to the bolt pistol
Wait does it boost the explosion of the bolt pistol fire?
hearty panther
The future patchnotes.
severe gale
Wait does it boost the explosion of the bolt pistol fire?
yes
severe gale
that was its intention, but it applies to grenades as well
toxic cedar
that’s handy
severe gale
specifically noticably on the shredder frags, the increase on the krak is minimally noticeable
and smoke grenades get no effect
toxic cedar
I love my shock maul and bolt pistol combo but I’ll need a new way to make it work for higher difficulty
severe gale
I love my shock maul and bolt pistol combo but I’ll need a new way to make it wo...
what difficult are you on now?
toxic cedar
specifically noticably on the shredder frags, the increase on the krak is minima...
noted tysm
toxic cedar
what difficult are you on now?
usually just heresy
severe gale
ah
severe gale
noted tysm
yah of course
severe gale
but I always end up doing more with my maul
that’s usually how it should always go
guns should be used to make up for your melee’s weakness
or to snipe out specials
toxic cedar
yeah but even then it feels like I have to skim out on my melee just to do stuff with my gun
severe gale
which bores me a bit
if you want to use guns more, you can go with a crit recon lasgun build
you have nearly infinite ammo with it
toxic cedar
like in situations I could easily shut down w my maul I’ll switch to my gun and do worse
toxic cedar
if you want to use guns more, you can go with a crit recon lasgun build
I loved that for a bit but the Infernus kantrael las pistol is so far my absolute favorite gun ever
just being able to hit my shots even when hip firing
feels so satisfying
dum dum and Infernus is what I used
severe gale
just being able to hit my shots even when hip firing
it is yeah
severe gale
I loved that for a bit but the Infernus kantrael las pistol is so far my absolut...
las pistols are very fun
toxic cedar
I just so badly wish that I could get the same feeling and use out of the bolt pistol
severe gale
dum dum and Infernus is what I used
yeah that’s usually the best
severe gale
I just so badly wish that I could get the same feeling and use out of the bolt p...
bolt pistol is getting some buffs
in the next patch
toxic cedar
that’s fucking awesome
severe gale
because right now it’s pretty weak
toxic cedar
I hope they make it easier to land hits since it’s supposed to be mobile
severe gale
the most significant buff is its getting cleave
austere mica
Having its sway massively decreased and getting cleave
severe gale
I hope they make it easier to land hits since it’s supposed to be mobile
yeah, shots will now have a cleave value of 3, so i believe they can go through 2 groaners and hit a target beyond it
tall torrent
I love my shock maul and bolt pistol combo but I’ll need a new way to make it wo...
Boltpistol is for grenadier build
toxic cedar
maybe so
tall torrent
because right now it’s pretty weak
It’s top 5 veteran build tho
severe gale
Boltpistol is for grenadier build
yeah i told him already dw
severe gale
It’s top 5 veteran build tho
except with that specific build, bolt pistol is weak right now
toxic cedar
shock maul can work w almost anything right?
severe gale
It’s top 5 veteran build tho
and that build is strong not because the bolt pistol, but because the frags, the pistol just lets the frags do more
tall torrent
except with that specific build, bolt pistol is weak right now
Yea but that specific build is the best way to use it
severe gale
shock maul can work w almost anything right?
yeah
shock maul is very versatile
it’s only real weakness is unyielding damage
(bosses, reapers, bulwarks)
toxic cedar
doesn’t the special stun them?
tall torrent
Horde clear speed also not that fast
tall torrent
doesn’t the special stun them?
No
severe gale
Horde clear speed also not that fast
it’s pretty good with HV and SC
toxic cedar
Horde clear speed also not that fast
I use the second heavy attack a lot for that works so well
severe gale
I use the second heavy attack a lot for that works so well
indignatus?
or the other one
toxic cedar
it can stun ogryns
I think it works against the dual wield guys
tall torrent
it’s pretty good with HV and SC
It’s not that fast
toxic cedar
indignatus?
just normal shock maul but it has a wide sweeping heavy after another attack
with a lot of cleave
severe gale
It’s not that fast
depends what you’re comparing it too
toxic cedar
helps me a ton
severe gale
just normal shock maul but it has a wide sweeping heavy after another attack
there’s 2 marks of shock maul
an indignatus
toxic cedar
oh
tall torrent
depends what you’re comparing it too
It’s around 18s for 50 pox
severe gale
and another i can’t remember
toxic cedar
probably indignatus then
severe gale
the indignatus is pretty good
tall torrent
Indignatus is good
severe gale
It’s around 18s for 50 pox
which isn’t awful
it’s not as good as like, a heavy sword or power sword
but it’s plenty fine for a very generalist weapon
tall torrent
it’s not as good as like, a heavy sword or power sword
It’s on the slower side for veteran melee basically
Like yea if u compare it to a duelling sword then it’s fast 
Decimator shovel was around 15s
severe gale
probably indignatus then
yeah the indignatus is the better of the 2 marks imo
severe gale
Like yea if u compare it to a duelling sword then it’s fast <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077...
yeah but for being a weapon that can do everything
it’s fine
and maybe he just doesn’t want to run a powersword or rashad
shock maul is a plenty strong weapon on its own
toxic cedar
yeah the indignatus is the better of the 2 marks imo
my current build is the electrify perk whatever it’s called and the one that increases damage by 40% against enemies that are staggered
for the indignatus anyway
severe gale
my current build is the electrify perk whatever it’s called and the one that inc...
high voltage?
and skull crusher
that’s the best blessings to run
lightning reflexes is also good but i dont like it
toxic cedar
high voltage?
yeah
toxic cedar
that’s the best blessings to run
yeah I think I got super lucky on my roll
I’ve never actually used the power sword but soon I might try to get a good roll for one
once im not broke on plasteel anymore
also what’s the best blessings for the kantrael las pistol anyway? I’ve always used Infernus and dumdum but I don’t know if there’s something better
tall torrent
also what’s the best blessings for the kantrael las pistol anyway? I’ve always u...
Ghost + dum dum
slow sky
lightning reflexes is also good but i dont like it
lighting reflexes is better than skullcrusher IF you are making use of it
if you are not, skullcrusher will be better despite its inconsistency due the nature of its debuff
LR gives more utility to the weapon but skullcrusher just kinda happenes whenever it does
severe gale
also what’s the best blessings for the kantrael las pistol anyway? I’ve always u...
that’s perfect
severe gale
LR gives more utility to the weapon but skullcrusher just kinda happenes wheneve...
fair
does LR apply after a tase
does that count as stagger
slow sky
does LR apply after a tase
LR is timed blocks
slow sky
it does not
severe gale
sad
shock mail should get a small buff to its unyielding damage
and then it’d be perfect
severe gale
yeah i realized that
tall torrent
HV is kinda mid
severe gale
free 25% damage against almost everything
slow sky
HV is kinda mid
???
slow sky
it is a significant and very reliable damage boost
it is literally the best blessing it can get
tall torrent
it is a significant and very reliable damage boost
Reliable yes, significant idk
severe gale
25% damage is pretty significant
toxic cedar
Ghost + dum dum
ty
severe gale
that’s a free perk spot on everything
slow sky
25% is absolutely breakpoint worthy
tall torrent
It’s a worse version of skullcrusher that lasts longer
tall torrent
25% is absolutely breakpoint worthy
Which breakpoint does it make
slow sky
It’s a worse version of skullcrusher that lasts longer
but on a weapon that cant make use of skullcrusher as well
slow sky
it doesnt have enough stagger against anything that is worth having such a damage bonus against
severe gale
ghost lets u walk into 40 shooters and be fine
tall torrent
it doesnt have enough stagger against anything that is worth having such a damag...
Ok now it runs into a problem
Because HV is +25% vs electrocuted enemies
toxic cedar
ghost is for survivability (and is fun) infernus and dumdum gives you the best D...
I got it on one of my first roles and just rolled w it since
tall torrent
You don’t get to electrocute enemies if u don’t get to stagger them in the first place
severe gale
Because HV is +25% vs electrocuted enemies
electrocution is applied on heavy attacks
slow sky
Because HV is +25% vs electrocuted enemies
which works on everything besides ogryns
toxic cedar
genuinely one of the most fun guns I’ve ever used
slow sky
ive tested it
toxic cedar
just quick blasting hallways
slow sky
1 hit on a mauler will work
tall torrent
electrocution is applied on heavy attacks
No, needs successful stagger to trigger
If it doesn’t successfully stagger it doesn’t electrocute
severe gale
genuinely one of the most fun guns I’ve ever used
yah it’s very fun, but the real crack is zealot throwing knives
tall torrent
And if it successfully staggers, SC is more damage
toxic cedar
I kinda hoped that the boltpistol would just be a slower amped up las pistol
severe gale
hitting a sniper at 60 meters is just pure dopamine
toxic cedar
but the las pistol always seems to do its job better
severe gale
but the las pistol always seems to do its job better
yeah bolt pistol is pretty weak sadly
severe gale
it’s so accurate
i’m talking about throwing knives lol
tame lodge
Bistol is an utility gun
toxic cedar
yeah bolt pistol is pretty weak sadly
I still love it and the sound design for me is just so addicting
toxic cedar
I hope it gets a good hip fire buff
severe gale
I hope it gets a good hip fire buff
the hip fire is 100% accurate on the first shot
it doesn’t really need a buff
toxic cedar
oh
severe gale
what it needs is the sights fixed
slow sky
the stagger here isnt enough to make use of SC before its gone
toxic cedar
maybe I suck w it
severe gale
maybe I suck w it
lmfao
tame lodge
Sort of not really
tall torrent
the stagger here isnt enough to make use of SC before its gone
Yea I know it’s more reliable, but not as significant
severe gale
i think it’s 100% accurate at least
tame lodge
Subsequent shots go to Narnia
toxic cedar
what it needs is the sights fixed
what’s so weird is that the kantrael holds it to the side slightly when aiming and the bolt pistol does the same yet is less accurate
severe gale
Yea I know it’s more reliable, but not as significant
yeah it’s not 40% damage but 25% damage is still a lot
slow sky
Yea I know it’s more reliable, but not as significant
thats literally the entire point
whats the point of using a blessing for a damage bonus if you only have it a fraction of the time
severe gale
it’s a free perk slot of damage on nearly everything, it’s consistent, applies to nearly every target
severe gale
what’s so weird is that the kantrael holds it to the side slightly when aiming a...
lmfao
yeah
tall torrent
thats literally the entire point
whats the point of using a blessing for a damag...
Lemme check it again
severe gale
fatshark!
toxic cedar
I don’t even know what high voltage does yet it feels like it helps
severe gale
what’s so weird is that the kantrael holds it to the side slightly when aiming a...
@slow sky can you post that clip of the bolt pistol sights
or bolter sights
tall torrent
what’s so weird is that the kantrael holds it to the side slightly when aiming a...
Because boltpistol has around 3x as much sway as every other ADS gun
And this sway is applied immediately when u ADS
toxic cedar
fatshark!
what’s crazy to me is that the damn crossbows and throwing spears in Vermintide are easier to land than the super high tech giant rocket bullets from the bolt guns
rotund tartan
anyone got a good build for boltpistol and shock maul combo?
wait this is boltpistol not shotgun wtf was i talking about
toxic cedar
dunno
last parcel
wait this is boltpistol not shotgun wtf was i talking about
smoking that fore skin juice
toxic cedar
Because boltpistol has around 3x as much sway as every other ADS gun
makes sense ig
tall torrent
So ur aim on boltpistol is always a little off when u ads
slow sky
Lemme check it again
most people run infernus on the laspistols despite raking fire being a much larger damage bonus, because youre very rarely shooting at things from the back
you typically only have raking fire on it for beast of nurgles specifically, if you use it often in normal engagements youd use something else
rotund tartan
i like puncture and point blank but that's on zealot
severe gale
I don’t even know what high voltage does yet it feels like it helps
if an enemy is staggered by an attack, they get an electrocution debuff, with high voltage, any electrocuted target takes 25% more damage from your melee
electrocution debuff is also applied on your special attack
toxic cedar
most people run infernus on the laspistols despite raking fire being a much larg...
Infernus helps me since I just spam fire and the extra fire over time just melts
toxic cedar
if an enemy is staggered by an attack, they get an electrocution debuff, with h...
nice
slow sky
the only enemies that dont get the electrocution debuff reliably are ogryns and bosses, but the tazer works against them for it
rotund tartan
what blessings are best on shock maul
severe gale
the only enemies that dont get the electrocution debuff reliably are ogryns and ...
does tazer apply it to bosses or no
slow sky
does tazer apply it to bosses or no
yes
severe gale
what blessings are best on shock maul
high voltage, skull crusher/lightning reflexes
toxic cedar
the only enemies that dont get the electrocution debuff reliably are ogryns and ...
there’s just something about poking something with a taser hammer that tickles my little brain the right way
tall torrent
@slow sky stagger definitely lasts long enough for it to work fine
slow sky
they dont get stunned but they have the debuff so they get the damage bonus
slow sky
<@142046391504601088> stagger definitely lasts long enough for it to work fine
idk ive tested the exact same thing and didnt get the damage bonus
tall torrent
Did u run 10% atk speed
severe gale
cole did it with no talents
slow sky
no talents to gauge the weapon across all classes/builds
severe gale
grievous wounds is under rated on zealot
tall torrent
cole did it with no talents
No talents is still working fine
slow sky
then my game HATES ME
last parcel
based game
tall torrent
Sending clip
Veteran doesn’t have +stagger talents so the most difference u’d get is from atk speed
U can see the 4th hit here lost SC benefit because mauler’s stagger ended
But an optimized mk3 shock maul with build should kill mauler in 3 hits
So even without atk speed to increase %error tolerance, it’s still working fine
last parcel
use executioner's stance to activate marksman then swap back to shock maul to have more stagger
tall torrent
Skullcrusher is quite literally just HV but more damage
HV’s main benefit is that electrocution status lasts longer than stagger
slow sky
tho it still wont work against everything
tall torrent
But u don’t get to electrocute stuff u can’t stagger (excluding stun attacks)
slow sky
you can still force it on crushers and bosses with the tazer
tall torrent
U can yes
But if u can apply stun
SC just dishes out more damage
Besides bosses (which are kinda weird)
Against any non-boss enemy, if u can apply stagger (which therefore applies electrocution), skullcrusher outperforms high voltage
Against bosses, high voltage wins because some attacks can apply electrocution
But u don’t get to stagger boss without spending other resources
slow sky
at that point you could also just say fuck it and run both
last parcel
slow sky
tbh ive personally had my stamina eaten all too often when using it, and my ass followed shortly after