veteran-class

[atomic zephyr]

yeah agreed

[tame lodge]

Well uh

[pliant sentinel]

I like pairing it with the bolt pistol

[radiant chasm]

Yea im out of it this morning

[atomic zephyr]

i like combining the bolt pistol and rashad axe

[tame lodge]

I also didn't know chaxes had cap

[last parcel]

welp time to die

[tame lodge]

I should play them more

Hmmm seems like the cleave damage doesn't get cut in half

[fervent lotus]

Kinda wish we had a melta gun

[tame lodge]

Believe me when I say you're not the only one

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kel-omori-omori-kel-omori-kel-believe-when-i-say-gif-26467410

https://tenor.com/view/backstreet-boys-i-want-it-that-way-gif-10539704750111704602

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/no-family-guy-bad-dog-newspaper-peter-gif-8108196576766934699

[orchid hemlock]

is it bad that I am spamming maelstroms for penance regardless of diff? 🤔

[tame lodge]

Nope

[last parcel]

truly despicable and unforgivable behaviour
you should be skinned alive then thrown into a pile of salt

[orchid hemlock]

😔

[midnight mesa]

I just realized that there is an OST that specifically plays if you are the only one alive

God damn is the music great for this game

[atomic zephyr]

yeah it’s a really bleak track

[tidal niche]

how do i make my veteran survive in damnation

i found that the health of veteran to be almost nothing

[oblique totem]

What are we mad about today, lads?

[last parcel]

learn to dodge (esp in melee) and to abuse toughness regeneration

[oblique totem]

OR you can have no toughness and maximize damage output

[tidal niche]

i already mash the space bar when i melee

[pliant sentinel]

dodge, slash, dodge slash

[oblique totem]

I mostly just wind up hopping around

[frank monolith]

slash (1-3) dodge push repeat

[tame lodge]

Uh oh, don't go negative dodges now

But yeah, surviving comes down to how to melee, anti ranged duty, target priority, map awareness

ahem

Frag spam, VoC spam

Aggro scumming

Aka going stealth

[drowsy aspen]

Stealth/weapon swap is honestly great as well

Weapon swap allows you an ability where you can regen 20% toughness whenever you swap weapons

Once you have a kill on them, anyhow

This means if you're good with swapping you can generate a lot of toughness very quickly

This alongside the instant toughness regen and disengage from combat your stealth ability allows...

Stealth Vet shocked me with its bite and survivability

Highly recommend

Or shout/weapon specialist for a more in-your-face survivability

[midnight totem]

stealth vet is my favorite build

stealth melee/weapon specialist

[drowsy aspen]

Yeeeee

Favored ranged weapon?

[midnight totem]

Vraks 3 headhunter

zarona revolver

Laspistol, mark X

I've also had success using an agrippina shotgun and the plasma gun works nomatter what you're running

[drowsy aspen]

Headhunter? Huh, thought those were all dogwater

[orchid hemlock]

what build are u using?

to me Vet is proably the tankiest class in the game 😭

lit refuses to die

[midnight totem]

The vraks 8 headhunter is probably one of the highest dps weapons in the game

if you can keep hitting heads

the vraks 3, which is my favorite, has a nice solid three round burst

weapon specialist can guarantee a burst to be all crit hits

which, combined with deadly accurate, is pretty funny

and weapon specialist can also jack up the fire rate of a headhunter to braced auto levels of silly

Zarona revolver is my default build though, because that cleave and one shot potential on specialists is unmatched

[frank monolith]

Ill say zealot first then vet but ye one of the tankiest class if you snipe every elite and specialist with yellow toughnmess

[lavish token]

Ogryn

[old prism]

based ogryn when tanking a full sniper shot without yellow toughness while taking 0 hp dmg with extra toughness to spare

[lavish token]

200+ toughness

[old prism]

266 toughness no less is acceptable

[lavish token]

I posted what I run yesterday

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cef1c87-6707-497e-a2cc-0105552f308a/car-sales

[old prism]

ayo wtf

[lavish token]

Toiletpots

It’s kinda neat sometimes

[tame lodge]

For Ogryn?

[old prism]

i don't go with rocks for karsolas

soften them up is insane for breakpoints for pull and heavies

so going right with nuke feels much better

unyielding carapace is good, I prefer flak a bit more for mass mauler murder

unyielding still great tho

[tame lodge]

Why would I want to get my team up, I'm getting value from Won't Give In

[merry fossil]

Hey people.
Anyone knows, Crucian Roulette + Weapon specialist: will it be +24% crit chance on loaded bullet (1 loaded, 4 missing); or will it be +0, aka "0 has been "spent" from the last "reload") ?

[old prism]

ok so

you get %24 crit chacne from crucian

and %33 chance from keystone

if you load one bullet back into your revolver when its empty

so basically it will crit

[merry fossil]

And it will be a bit faster than Surgical.

(which will crit at x3)

[old prism]

A bit faster yes, but you need to edge your ammo pool

[merry fossil]

Normally when I'm running WS keystone, I just unload and let keystone keep me charged.

At x3/x5 ranged spec swapping to Zarona, making a shot, and back to the knife/sword I go.

[old prism]

I don’t see why not. It should work well.

[fossil basalt]

Sneak vet go brrrr

[old prism]

thats a goddam ogryn lmao

sneak big vet

[fossil basalt]

Big man does good pickin up, yes-yes

[merry fossil]

Kudos for explanation

[low pagoda]

i've cooked a build it's diabolical can't die a looooot of damage and support for the team

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9cf0b4f0-c037-4ace-b03e-0ffc188f3fcb

kinda basic tho

[orchid hemlock]

why do u have onslaught?

[low pagoda]

is that a serious question ?

[orchid hemlock]

dude what is up with everyone taking onslaught on the Columnus? Ive seen this happen 4 times this week

is it for the chain sword?

[low pagoda]

so

onslaught is good for rapid fire weapon

since the colomnus has a very high crit damage & rapid fire

u take onslaught colomnus aim for head

and crusher & mauler die like in 2 sec

[orchid hemlock]

ok, but why do I need to waste 3 nodes for a perk that only helps me kill like 5% of the enemies in the game?

maulers u can just aim for the body

[tall torrent]

No, doesn’t work

[orchid hemlock]

if u have flak perk and rending strikes u can kill maulers fairly easily

[tall torrent]

It’s exclusively a magdump crusher talent

Some people enjoy that

[orchid hemlock]

ah ok, it would be cool of the alt attack insta proced it

[lavish token]

Drop it for more power on ability

[umbral scaffold]

Bro just called the damage and stamina nodes wasted

[tall torrent]

It’s a shame that a rev attack only counts as 1 atk instance

[umbral scaffold]

Skull emoji

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but, that desperato and and reci look soo juicy 🤤

onslaught that only helps me kill like 5% of enemies

versus 2 of the best melee nodes on the tree to help me kill everything

wait I didn't even notice, there are 3 toughness curios on the build

[low pagoda]

yeah that's the point of the vet

xD

maximise iron will

[orchid hemlock]

all the iron will in the world wont save you from a sniper shot or pox burster

[low pagoda]

haha

funny

i took 2 sniper shot and didn't even took 1hp of health bar

[orchid hemlock]

I would at least take 1 HP

or corruption damage

[somber axle]

Triple toughness is hilarious unless you are doing a double grim quickplay match

Go all in on toughness and just casually tank gunner lines

[trim steppe]

just have a single 15% corruption res and you'll still have a second wound

[somber axle]

Also you can eat a sniper shot with enough toughness and TDR but a poxburster is still painful

And if you get hit by multiple poxbursters clipping into each other you will regret it

[orchid hemlock]

the build has no sniper resist either so I dont know why u mentioned it

[somber axle]

Triple corruption resist, triple HP curios, triple HP perks, triple corruption resist (grimoires)

[orchid hemlock]

nah all stamina based

[somber axle]

Books can't harm me anymore

[orchid hemlock]

just block everything

cant take damage

[somber axle]

I can't block books

[low pagoda]

going to test this , where's the 30% ranged crit ?

[orchid hemlock]

no pls dont test that 💀

unless u are doing grim runs

[low pagoda]

something like that ?

[trim steppe]

does reci drop stacks 1 at a time or all at once

[orchid hemlock]

for Collumnus I would prob do something like this:

[low pagoda]

cqkz ?

[orchid hemlock]

however the melee wepaon I would use is the CA

[low pagoda]

close quarter ?

[orchid hemlock]

this:

it only applies to u and it is only 10 seconds

[low pagoda]

loosing a lot of damage ?

[orchid hemlock]

my dude you are getting recip

[trim steppe]

5% crit 100% of the time or 15% close damage some of the time

[low pagoda]

exploit weakness is bad ?

shovel better than chainsword ??

hum i'll try with axe

[orchid hemlock]

if u want krak, I would do something like this

[low pagoda]

rashad i guess

[orchid hemlock]

yeah axe is insane even with just Desperato

[low pagoda]

brutal momentum & slaughter ?

[orchid hemlock]

yes

oh wait i forgot

its headtaker

I generally dislike kraks for most situations tho, so I lean towards frags

but then that means u loose an extra point on the talent tree u could use for something else

well assuming they are all bunched up then yes, but I mostly take the frags for ccing mixed hordes or bullwalks

the krak has a higher explosion?

when u underhand it?

[tall torrent]

Krak has higher blast center damage

But same blast edge damage

[twilit roost]

I really need help improving my veteran, its my favourite of the classes and I thought my build was pretty good but everytime I go into Auric, I become a mop for the enemies

[orchid hemlock]

there is also the question about survivalist versus fireteam

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u using

[twilit roost]

these

[tall torrent]

Ok step one drop longshot + volley adept

[lavish token]

Ditch the graia

[orchid hemlock]

I generally dont like braced auto guns so I have no idea what would be the best on them

[tall torrent]

Take survivalist if u use very ammo dependent weapons on top of already planning to take frags
Otherwise take either of the 2 other auras

[orchid hemlock]

is collumnus an ammo hog?

[low pagoda]

wich one should i drop for the update

[tall torrent]

Depends how long u plan to hold M1 on it

[twilit roost]

if I was to go into strike team 13 and stream, could someone walk me through it?

still kinda confused

[lavish token]

Graia is shredder autopistol 2.0

[low pagoda]

not a rashad sadly :(

huh

how

[twilit roost]

what should I be using instead?

[lavish token]

Which is why I am doing the unthinkable, and doing qp

[low pagoda]

buying it and waiting then

[twilit roost]

is this better to use then?

[tall torrent]

Recon is Boltgun tier in terms of talent point cost

[twilit roost]

this is the only mk6 I have at the moment

[orchid hemlock]

in a collumnus build would u rather go frag or krak?

[tall torrent]

Krak

[uncut pebble]

My genuine reaction.

[orchid hemlock]

put me in coach

[tall torrent]

What about that funny boltpistol build

[twilit roost]

so for running the recon what should my talent tree look like

[tall torrent]

The +25% radius buff from lethal prox is passive, works even when boltpistol is offhand

[twilit roost]

ty

[orchid hemlock]

something like this IG:

u can remove SC for it then

but if you are going onslaught, you probably arn't going in melee a lot 😔

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes and Shock Trooper are must haves for all variants. Onslaught is very worth having in the Recon Mk VId, but the fire rate on the other variants is too slow to build the 2.5% brittleness per shot to change TTK/DPS significantly on most elites/specials and even on Crushers it is pretty mediocre. As goofy as it sounds I prefer running Marksman's Focus and CitA for the extra 10% rending at 10+ stacks. The buffs to MF made maintaining stacks so much easier. The Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa are much easier to control too

You can kinda run whatever grenade, ability and keystone you want

[orchid hemlock]

well yes but i dont think anything in the game can attack fast enough to compare with the ranged weapons, also it resets the stacks whenever you hit another target

[somber axle]

But special mention to Weapon Specialist with the Recon Mk VId for the fastest fire rate in the game

It's really fun

[orchid hemlock]

also, is survivalist needed on recon? even with shock trooper? 🤔

[somber axle]

Surv is optional imo

[orchid hemlock]

because it eats thru ammo, especially the VII

[somber axle]

If you're an Exe Stance fiend like me it saves you talent points going straight down left path but otherwise you can save the points and ignore it

I think there's an argument for Surv Aura helping alleviate a bit of stress on teams with ammo goblins but it's not changing a lot and if multiple people in a squad are magdumping enough to burn ammo and be consistently red/orange then at best Surv Aura is just buying you a bit more leeway and not changing bad habits by squadmates

[idle swallow]

exe stance vld, the only correct answer for the discerning guardsman 💪💪💪

[somber axle]

Just gotta be faster to the tins and packs than the goblins

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-cat-fast-gif-19144023

[orchid hemlock]

TRUUUUUUUUUUUU

woops

that didnt work 😔

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c39a0c4-39ed-417d-bb6d-838991d8fb09/femboy-vet?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

weehat melee wepaon would yall go for in this build?

[twilit roost]

this was the best thing I could come up with

[covert timber]

Oh it’s the maid marines

[orchid hemlock]

yesir 😤

[orchid hemlock]

pls dont take covering fire

[covert timber]

Why not do stuff that maids do a chain sword for cutting the garden and melta for cooking

[orchid hemlock]

exactly

[twilit roost]

what's wrong with it?

[covert timber]

Wait are we talking about space marine 2?

[orchid hemlock]

in execution it is absolutly horrific

because in order for it to proc the person that is going to get the regen needs to be 5 meters away from the target you kill

which is fine if it was melee

unfortuantly

it isn't 💀

[twilit roost]

ok I swapped it for the improved grenade then

[orchid hemlock]

is there an internal cooldown of it @tall torrent ?

I never figured it out before

[tall torrent]

For what

[orchid hemlock]

covering fire

[tall torrent]

Covering fire?

Don’t think so?

But it doesn’t have stacking benefits for ur teammates

[orchid hemlock]

so ig it can be useful on guns like the autopistol or braced autogun

[tall torrent]

It only goes 1 stack and u can’t self-apply

[orchid hemlock]

but im not going to lie, I cringe when I think about wasting ammo on a trash horde

[tall torrent]

Think about the space marine 2 players that are trying out darktide

[orchid hemlock]

oh no

😔

[orchid hemlock]

yeah but what about the toughness regen?

[tall torrent]

No innate cooldown afaik

It’s just that u can’t self apply

[orchid hemlock]

sadge 😔

[tall torrent]

If u could self apply then playing a gun-only veteran wouldn’t be as bad

[orchid hemlock]

also for the IAG, would you prefer investing in MF or Reci and Desp?

[tall torrent]

Columnus mk5?

[orchid hemlock]

no sorry the lasgun

ILG

[tall torrent]

Which Lasgun

[orchid hemlock]

MK4

[maiden olive]

what is a very general ranged gun beside plasma to use im trying to do all penances and need a good all rounder

[tall torrent]

MG4 infantry lasgun?

[orchid hemlock]

Collumnus

[orchid hemlock]

yes

[tall torrent]

I play weapon specialist with it lol

[maiden olive]

perks and blessings?

[tall torrent]

MG4 infantry Lasgun is actually pretty good

[orchid hemlock]

how do u do that without having to take all of the nodes on the left side?

[maiden olive]

also witch collumnus

[tall torrent]

Mk5 infantry autogun

[tall torrent]

Why do I need all the nodes on left side

[orchid hemlock]

dont u want determined and shock trooper?

it isn't rhetorical, I'm just using your guide and Im wondering 🤔

[tall torrent]

Why shock trooper

It’s an MG4

[orchid hemlock]

no this:

[tall torrent]

To run dry on MG4 needs a special kind of commitment to shooting everything

[tall torrent]

Yea why shock trooper

[orchid hemlock]

u said in your guide that it is a good node if you are not going survivalist

[tall torrent]

For 1a yea

MG12 too, to an extent

But MG4 generally doesn’t need it

[orchid hemlock]

also is determined that important as well? 🤔

[tall torrent]

The “recommended talents” part are just talents the gun work well with

You don’t have to take every single talent in that recommendation list

[tall torrent]

For infantry Lasgun it’s the difference between u shooting like a tempestus scion and u shooting like a pdf

[last parcel]

i shoot like a .pptx

[maiden olive]

what are good perks and blessings for the mk v cullumnus

[tall torrent]

Crit chance, flak, maniac, unyielding, elite

Dum dum + deathspitter

[maiden olive]

thx

[oblique totem]

Dare I ask for a translation?

[last parcel]

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[tall torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/war-vietnam-ptsd-shell-shock-moment-gif-3022747568394546158

[balmy flume]

On a different note, I am noticing

The Accatran seems to finally do something now

[oblique totem]

I'm going to start hitting you now. I don't know when I'll stop.

[somber axle]

Yeah! All the Recons are pretty fun after the buffs

[oblique totem]

Although, it did answer my question. So. Eh.

[unique orchid]

Ive been using the mid-speed recon as a cosplay hellgun for my scion drip

Otherwise im the Emprah's strongest GI

[frosty lark]

worth or nah

obviously the blessing isn't ideal

[trim steppe]

If you have that few melk bucks i'd save them for something better tbh. But if you really want a chainsword that one is not terrible, it'll get the job done til you find better

[frosty lark]

fair enough. that's what i was thinking

[unique orchid]

Good for chaining heavies at least

[balmy flume]

O.o
Eating through crushers even.
Frag me, might have to build one when I have time.

O.O

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wooter-cat-drinking-wooter-cat-drinking-water-gif-22523202

[midnight totem]

Cmon in Backup

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1032364932093714492

[wide pike]

Did they buff the heavy guns or smth

They feel so much better

[faint beacon]

If im nearly finished with SM2 I might tag along here if you guys are still playing in like-

ehhhhh give or take 30 mins

im getting cooked mentally on it and I want to kill diseased Heretics

[upbeat snow]

is a bolt pistol good for marksman's focus?

[neon imp]

Boltgun got an ammo pool buff

Aside from that I don't recall them getting anything else

[midnight totem]

lmao

[last parcel]

we have all died horrible deaths

[midnight totem]

I was looking for SM2 players earlier and then nobody was playing so I came to darktide

[faint beacon]

Lmao

Thats completely fair

I should be open tomorrow for SM2 also

after work at least

[oblique totem]

Are people still playing?

[upbeat snow]

good lasgun blessings?

[midnight totem]

later

taking a break atm

[shadow basin]

infantry or recon?

[upbeat snow]

infantry

[shadow basin]

headtaker, deadly accurate, and ghost according to the pdf

[upbeat snow]

ok

[fleet bronze]

Have attempted 2 auric missions the second one was definitely better I was wondering what kind of gear level that is given as a reward

[last parcel]

the same gear as regular damnation. random gold weapon (sometimes purple because fuck you)

[upbeat snow]

and perks? the one i have is +20% dmg flak, unyielding

[fleet bronze]

Thank you

[upbeat snow]

i need a proper horde clear melee for vet, advice?

[umbral scaffold]

Rashad/Antax with brutal momentum, power sword with power cycler, chainsword with rampage, uhhh

[shadow basin]

devil's claw swords are decent at horde clear iirc

[faint beacon]

As long as it doesn't have Flak

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, they absolutely blend groaners and poxwalkers, but that flak modifier on lights really hurts me

[austere mica]

light->heavy loop on mk4 helps

I own two of them myself

[shadow basin]

i'd suggest the power sword, the mk vi? or iv? mostly because i love using it

[austere mica]

I have beef with power sword

[shadow basin]

how so?

[austere mica]

Zealot claw

[austere mica]

Eepy as hell weapon

[shadow basin]

of course

[faint beacon]

Its boring basically

[austere mica]

Vet claw

[faint beacon]

If you want something that really tests your patience but is fun try Tactical Axes

[faint beacon]

Skullcrusher + Rampage also shockingly works

Literally just damage maxxing

[austere mica]

Fucked up cleave on my Daemonhost blender is funnier

[faint beacon]

Actually I realize if you're using

more Parries

it applies heavy stacks of Skullcrusher

so it serves another purpose other than obviously

le damage does

le more

[austere mica]

Problem with running skullcrusher for me is Wrath is locked on vet and Shred is locked on zealot

So I just can't without sacrificing rampage

[gilded wraith]

My precious.

[orchid hemlock]

btw which devil's claw do yall prefer? 🤔

[faint beacon]

DC4

[shadow aurora]

VII

Mainly because it looks cooler

[last parcel]

push attack into heavy sweep just feels right to me

[uncut pebble]

I'm about to run the goofiest build I can think of for tac axes.

[uncut pebble]

Going hard into right side for crit chance, stacking up onslaught and whatnot for brittleness.

LMB spam everything to death.

(I am not cooking, this is probably gonna suck)

[last parcel]

oh it'll be fine

[shadow aurora]

Crit is the way to go with taxe actually

[faint beacon]

Trench Fighting Drill

[last parcel]

i did crit tacax 4 + exploit weakness for some footage and it worked out fine

[faint beacon]

you need to pick that up to make it really fucking dumb

BM + HT as well

[last parcel]

HT + shred for full crit memes

it's what hadron gave me and i'm leaving it at 0 modifications

[orchid hemlock]

BM shred, just like Zealot?

[uncut pebble]

Bm headtaker, that's what the axe rolled, but I'm taking lots of crit talents.

Surprisingly it worked well, for how long I survived.

Auric mael did not deal me a good hand of teammates.

(smiteker)

[shadow basin]

is there a good resource for vet builds or is it a "figure it out yourself" kinda thing

[faint beacon]

its really damn good when it get a flow of it

especially if your perks are Unarmored Flak

You could do Flakiac

but I kinda like having UnFlak for easier Horde Clear, I'll just use my Gun for specials

[oblique totem]

Making a suppression build.

[last parcel]

keep their heads down + competitive urge + terrifying barrage

[oblique totem]

I- shut up I wanna figure it out!

[last parcel]

the best resource is to steal a guide from gameslantern and come in here acting like you're hot shit so someone optimizes it for you out of spite

[somber axle]

There's a guide in pins but it is out of date. If you message the person who made the guide he can probably share info with you or the new 2.0 version

[last parcel]

i think we're on 2.6 now

[somber axle]

Oh wait you said builds

[oblique totem]

Can the recon lasgun suppress?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

[somber axle]

I mean generally you want either Confirmed Kill or Out for Blood (Exhil Takedown is worse than either option)

Get grenade regen either from Demo Stockpile or Demo Team

Iron Will and Precision Strikes near the bottom are pretty universal for picks too

Everything else is dependent on your weapon choices tbh

Or do you just mean like full fleshed out talent tree examples to look at

[somber axle]

Yes and it does it pretty effectively imo

Reapers are usually dabbing whenever I'm killing anything in their direction

[oblique totem]

I see

[somber axle]

I don't think Keep Their Heads Down is necessary but if you really want to double down on suppression using it, it saves a bit of time/ammo when suppressing (no increase to suppression radius iirc)

Just slightly speeds up suppression vs targets

[oblique totem]

I'll keep that in mind

[shadow basin]

oh it's outdated?

i didn't even know it was

[somber axle]

Yeah it's from a while ago. They've since changed up a lot of their info for new discoveries with breakpoints and builds from testing and stuff

Plus it has some funny things like the Helbore page still listing the blessing Onslaught back before it was renamed to Weight of Fire to avoid confusion with the talent Onslaught

And it's missing the new weapons

[last parcel]

meanwhile opening salvo

[somber axle]

Plus there were some melee weapons with maniac recommended and they ended up discovering maniac was entirely unnecessary for a lot of melee weapons vs the value other perks give on melee weapons iirc

The new version looks much better but you have to poke numbers cat in DMs or ping them here to get a copy

He's still working on it afaik though

[shadow basin]

alright, dm'd em, thanks for the help y'all

[somber axle]

Welcomes!

[uncut pebble]

I just had to leave an auric mael because this game REFUSES to play specialist sounds correctly.

And also, magnetic dogs strike again.

Twice, I died because of a dog just hitting a sick 90 and latching onto me even though I dodge slid away from it.

Utterly rage inducing, and if it happened again, I probably would've punched a hole through my TV screen.

[shadow basin]

while i'm waiting for a response, i'd like some feedback on my talents, i can't share images (assumedly because i'm new to the server) so like, how do i share my talent tree?

[last parcel]

create and publish

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

then kink here

[shadow basin]

ah, thanks, will do

🫡

[last parcel]

or we can keep talking until you get sunburned

[faint beacon]

Not till you get the convict role which I think is like 250 messages it’s kinda easy to get just keep talking in here

[shadow basin]

ah alright

[faint beacon]

I don’t recall the exact number but it’s really quick

[shadow basin]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cf15a1c-3b63-4de3-a85a-98d017ecdffc/abraham-lincolns-approved-build-3

not exactly my build, the weapons and curios are off but blame hadron for that

[last parcel]

hard countered by the john wilkes boothe build

[shadow basin]

glaring weakness, i know, but i just really love plays

i really wanna swap something out to get that middle path toughness node near the keystones but i don't know what

oh shit i got the role

it was quick

[last parcel]

you’re basically spending 3 points just for survivalist

[last parcel]

yeah just enough to make sure you arent an onlyfans discord bor

[shadow basin]

fair enough

[shadow basin]

ah alright, so those 3 points would be better spent elsewhere?

[last parcel]

i’d put it towards reciprocity and close n kill + the crit chance node since columnus iag crits go hard

and if i did meth correctly that then leaves you with a free point

[shadow basin]

hell yeah thank you

[shadow basin]

what's a good versatile gun to pair with the power sword?

i've been running the columnus mk5 and it's really fun but really inaccurate

[grand perch]

Have you tried short to medium bursts? Gun itself isn't really inaccurate

[somber axle]

For most distances you fight at it's fine but if you have to find the magic pixel with your crosshairs on a sniper behind some crates halfway across the map you'll probably give up and power slide closer

I vaguely remember it having an initial recoil kick when you first fire so bursts end up making it trickier for controlling when trying to hit long range targets too

It's one of those things that feels better the more practice you have with it because you'll slowly feel out the recoil pattern and be able to better control the shots but there's not really a good way to speedrun that experience

Other than like

Exe Stance maybe??

[grand perch]

Yeah probably true

[shadow basin]

i use crosshair remap to negate that

[somber axle]

But idk anyone who does that

[somber axle]

Oh it's the spread pattern, not the crosshairs. Changing the crosshairs, giving it a scope, etc. doesn't change the recoil kick or the spread pattern for how it throws shots

[grand perch]

I've grown to do nothing but exec stance basically

[somber axle]

A very bouncy gun

[shadow basin]

i know, but it gives me a better idea of where the bullets will go

[somber axle]

Spread pattern is the wrong phrasing though LOL

It's not a shotgun

It's just that the gun bounces and throws shots a bit awkwardly unless you can adjust it

and it's really awkward for trying to pinpoint hit a sniper behind cover at long range

Just easier to close the gap and slide dodge until you're at a range you're comfy shooting from

Or get a better angle on it

[shadow basin]

or let the zealot throw a knife 40 feet lmao

[grand perch]

You know that one pit with the crashed train dangling into it, on the assassination map? Snipers on the other side are basically unhittable and you can't get closer, plus sniper gauntlet modifier that can get real funny

[somber axle]

I love running Infantry Lasguns for sniper gauntlets

They just become so easy to hit regardless of distance or cover

[last parcel]

i do that and then use the inline iron sights because i hate myself but they look so cool

[somber axle]

are those the ones the bots use

I'd love to try them but them do seem pretty awful LOL

[grand perch]

I compromised and used the irons that sit on top of the rails instead of down on the housing

These ones https://youtu.be/DZX4Sqyp0T0?si=N2FUYqiKISOQMb9Z

[fair river]

https://tenor.com/view/with-my-lips-this-isnt-working-spongebob-plankton-lip-gif-6494364114377923184

[balmy flume]

That close ranged gunning…

[amber cliff]

Make the hellbore real again

[broken crag]

maroon 5

[shadow basin]

another weapon doomed by hadron (yes, i only have t3 power cycler ;-;)

[pseudo fiber]

Slaughterer is okay

[shadow basin]

yeah but brutal momentum is so fun

[pseudo fiber]

True

[lyric dock]

It's not that bad thankfully

[hasty meteor]

sounds like me on literally every weapon I have. "it's not bad, but it's not great either"

[lyric dock]

If I had the choice of a horribly bricked weapon or a weapon that is at least usable. I'll take the usable one

[cunning schooner]

You want to see great potential bricked? here, check this one out

[analog mural]

You should see the collection of 17% toughness curios I have which have been bricked

Atleast 10 of em

[heavy rover]

Holy, bolt pistol will have cleave

and hellbores will be getting better ammo efficiency and a new blessing that adds brittleness

new weapon options too

[red robin]

Damnn

Looks decent

That 25% weapon swap speed is a nice addition for bolter and plasma gun

[golden nymph]

As someone who has had a build with a Helbore since forever, I see this as an absolute win.

[heavy rover]

agreed, I've got hellbores in my inventory that I've been begging to find a reason to make builds with

now I've got a huge excitement to experiment with them

[red robin]

I like using skirmisher, that 5 to 8 seconds is a nice buff

But man I wish sliding from sprint counted, and maybe a reload while running in skirmisher or run n gun would be nice

Those are the only things I notice in my run and gun double barrel build that feels clunky

[heavy rover]

and on top of that, they've lowered the base draw speed for bolter

[red robin]

Damnn

Bolter is back

[red robin]

Nice

Hate the point tax

[lyric dock]

Yep

[red robin]

Shout is strong with 1 point

Exe should be too

Idk abt infiltrate tho, all of its nodes are too much to be baked in

[midnight totem]

What? What?

Patch notes?!

-reads-

[lyric dock]

A good preview of what we're gonna see

And overall lot of great things so far

[autumn shadow]

is marksman focus only good on full auto guns?

i remember using it to spray a horde on auric and instantly getting 15 stacks

but struggling when using a kantrael

[fading yarrow]

Goodbye, Lawbringer; Bolter is my best friend once again

[red robin]

It really is a different monster on high fire rate weapons

[heavy rover]

Thicc Tuna be cooking. I don't wanna over-excite myself but damn, they do be cooking

[autumn shadow]

maybe i can cook now with the bolt pistol with weapon specialist

[red robin]

I really hope

Things that are good aren’t nerfed at all

Plasma and knife particularly

I keep seeing turbo nerds on the upper echelons of mechanical skill blasting them to be nerfed because it makes it too easy for them

[lyric dock]

From we seen. Everyone is eating good tonight

[red robin]

Bro think abt the average joe

[autumn shadow]

im so tired of using knife and plasma

[jolly patrol]

I'm surprised vet didn't really get any major nerfs the same way zealots did

[autumn shadow]

i want to live in a world where I can use bolt pistol and chainsword

[lyric dock]

We finally got done paying for the sins of our pre-U13 selfs

[fading yarrow]

I like that Vet is getting Maccabians

They're pretty close to being my favorite melee weapon

[red robin]

Maccabian?

[lyric dock]

Can't wait to try out the new laspistol blessing though

[fading yarrow]

Psyker's Dueling Swords

[red robin]

OOO

ty

I am a fan of finesse

[jolly patrol]

Really hope the added cleave does something. I'm tired of shooting 1-3 of poxes and somehow they live

[autumn shadow]

whats the best horde clearing chainsword + blessings for vet again

[red robin]

Weapon specialist and that talent for 25% attack speed on that duelling sword

[faint beacon]

Read the up coming patch notes HOLY SHIT FINALLY

Relentless being a natural addition to Veteran

For the Exec Stance

[unique orchid]

UnL patch notes are kinda heat 🙏

[red robin]

Vanguard (20% sprint efficiency) being replaced with something (25% swap speed) that compliments weapon specialist goes hard too

I love whipping between knife push attacks and double barrel blasts with 20% stamina recovery for infinite breathing room

[faint beacon]

Vanguard replaced with In Motion

[red robin]

Anyone else play with the immersive evasion mod? I love inducing motion sickness on modded fov

[faint beacon]

In Motion actually serves a huge fucking purpose for WS builds

[red robin]

Yummy

[unique orchid]

i kinda really liked vanguard since stamina go brr

[fading yarrow]

Both are great, Mark 4 has sweeping heavies and Mark 13g has light attack spam; as for Blessings, Rampage and Bloodletter/Savage Sweep for the former, Rampage and Wrath for the latter

[faint beacon]

Deploying your boltgun in time before stats of WS vanish

Honestly I’m surprised us Vets only got extremely small changes that were only buffs

I think Shartshark is happy with the class

[red robin]

Can’t win it all man, having 20% sprint efficiency as a weapon perk just doesn’t fill the void

[unique orchid]

true

[midnight totem]

What?

They're removing vanguard?!

Noooo

[red robin]

Yeah

[midnight totem]

NOOOOOO

[red robin]

Some people don’t like stamina and sprinting

[midnight totem]

Women love stamina...

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spray-bottle-cat-spray-bottle-spray-bottle-meme-loop-gif-25594440

[red robin]

Ah three 3+ stamina curios with 36% stamina recovery and 45% sprint efficiency my beloved

I will miss having 65% from vanguard

I need to abuse run n gun and skirmisher on my double barrel

[violet pebble]

Whew

These notes are goooooddddd

[fading yarrow]

Gets deleted due to having no Toughness or Resistance

[red robin]

It would be insane if the alt fire allowed you to sprint during it with run and gun

Infiltrate and -90% less threat my beloved panic button

[faint beacon]

I’m honestly shocked they’re buffing plasma when it’s one of the best guns in the game

[red robin]

Better than the alternative

[faint beacon]

Hell I’m shocked some of the untouched weapons didn’t get mentioned

[autumn shadow]

i dont mind plasma being the best I just want to see other range weapons get buffed to be able to add variation

[red robin]

True

I like the headhunter autoguns

I want headshot gameplay to feel good af to play

[midnight totem]

Boltguns with fire frenzy

[autumn shadow]

pre class changes I was chilling with lasgun headshots only with the class ability

[red robin]

Also the shotguns needed some adjustments

[autumn shadow]

the playstyle kinda died after the new changes

[red robin]

I just can’t wait to combine 10% crit damage and 10% weakspot damage on a vraks 7 with deadly accurate and surgical

I want it so bad

Finesse maxxing crit headshots got me drooling

Fuck imagine if they put 10% finesse as a weapon perk

That’s broken as hell but man

[fading yarrow]

I can't stop thinking about Opening Salvo and One Motion tbh

[red robin]

https://tenor.com/view/a-man-can-dream-though-sigh-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-14501112

[fading yarrow]

Boltgun is going to delete Monstrosities like never before

[red robin]

Hell yeah

Every gun should have its niche

[pseudo fiber]

The plasma light shots need to get its knees shot

[red robin]

True, the heavy fire is never used due to the dumb math of making it ammo inefficient

[lucid hinge]

Plasmas heavies need something to do and the light shots need to be able to murder you

[faint beacon]

Autopistols being untouched

[autumn shadow]

is opening salvo just one shot or first couple shots?

[faint beacon]

Even though it’s not a huge issue, nothing regarding the HHAs

[fading yarrow]

First 20% of your magazine

[heavy rover]

first 10% of the mag, but the update will be changing to 20%

[autumn shadow]

seeing a big damage potential with deadly accurate and opening salvo

[faint beacon]

I’m honestly hoping they do some tweaking with them here soon cause like

No one touches the shredders

And if you do you’re actively trolling

[red robin]

I’m punching the air

[autumn shadow]

is it also the same for opening salvo blessing

[fading yarrow]

The only reason to use a shredder is if you're a Necromunda ganger

[fading yarrow]

Opening Salvo is a Talent

[red robin]

Powerburn gang sends its regards

[red robin]

I think it’s both

[autumn shadow]

theres a talent and a blessing

[red robin]

It honestly needs a clarification

[autumn shadow]

the blessing says one shot

so im confused

[red robin]

Minor detail

Yeah the weapon blessing first shot on a internal timer between shots

[autumn shadow]

if its been changed

[red robin]

Vraks 7 has it up fast

[autumn shadow]

whats the cd between shots

a second?

[red robin]

You kinda got to have a feel for it

It’s different on a lot of guns

That has it

The headhunter vraks 7 has it up where you can pop a shot in tiny intervals

20% power on every shot

The opening salvo talent in the vet tree has it so that the first 10% of your magazine has 10% crit chance (buffed to 20% of your magazine)

Can see it being way stronger on the recon las guns with high mag capacity and stormtrooper keeping you in that 20% range for a bit

[pulsar radish]

Yeah it would be great for recons.

20% is about 20 rounds for the recons

Slightly more for the vld.

[red robin]

Finally 5% as a weapon perk, 5% on a node for 10% crit and 10% from the talent opening salvo

20% critical chance yippee

[pulsar radish]

I hate to break it to you.

You already had 5 or 10% crit chance at base.

So it's actually higher than that

[atomic zephyr]

:O relentless is gonna be default part of executioners stance

very good

[unique orchid]

crazy roll

the stats arent exactly ideal, but crazy blessings

[red robin]

Man

I really hope the stat percentages are adjustable

So you can min max

[unique orchid]

with UnL they will be

...to an extent

[red robin]

I just want 80% in damage, penetration and crit damage on a revolver

I meannnn

Thinking abt it

It’ll probably have an easier time fishing for it with the rotating shops and contract store

[tawny badger]

the rager horde shall fear me now

[thorn lark]

Wrath is not really crazy. You want sunder or BM. And cleave targets is basically useless.

But you got maniacs and pc4.

[unique orchid]

honestly i like supercharged, i use the charge to delete melee threats

[thorn lark]

Both pc + sunder or BM will do that role better tbh

[red robin]

Does this mean that the double slice attack they do is now blocked?

Because it would only catch on one of the hit boxes

[wanton dawn]

BOLTABUFF

[tawny badger]

Sounds like it

[raven yew]

How y'all feel about funny blue gun buff? I'm happy for y'all.

Send thoughts and prayers, zealot monstrosity memes are taking a hit. vv

[oblique totem]

Only thing I can send is ammunition.

[tawny badger]

zealot monstrosity whatnow

[oblique totem]

I assume that relates to how Zealots deal with monstrosities.

[raven yew]

Crucis hammer nerf to unyielding enemies. o/

[lucid hinge]

It's fine

it can be a useful weapon to everything else now

[tame lodge]

Crucis won't have 5 multiplier on heavies against uny

[raven yew]

But that's the opposite of what I want. I want the funny meme bonk.

[tame lodge]

It's 3 now

[tawny badger]

that's

uh

[tame lodge]

Or will be

[oblique totem]

My condolences.

[tawny badger]

I mean I see why they did it with all the speed/endlag tweaks it got

and 3x is still pretty big, now they just need to hit twice instead of once

[raven yew]

Yeah, it's horrible. 😦

The laughter doesn't come from hit twice, it comes from hit once

[oblique totem]

Now all they gotta do is nerf the Vet's knife.

[raven yew]

I may as well just use knife instead.

[oblique totem]

Gotta spread the suffering around, you see.
Builds a sense of unity.

[tawny badger]

ey hold on now

[frank monolith]

wdym by this

the psword or just the knife

[oblique totem]

Just the knife

Buff psword

[tame lodge]

Oh now that charged shots will have a build, here's some fun fact

[tawny badger]

what did that floor ever do to you

[oblique totem]

Am I looking at plasma gun suppression?

[tawny badger]

oh shit actually?

[oblique totem]

Watch the dregs

[tame lodge]

Yeah the charged shot has high suppression, specially on kill (not that I've shown it)

[tawny badger]

that's pretty good, was surprising it didn't before

[wanton dawn]

I dont think charged plasma is viable yet though

[tame lodge]

It's more because explosions have suppression

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-suppressing-fire-gif-11401460

[sharp epoch]

they buffed plasma yay

[tame lodge]

Same, it's just that I'll be able to stack crit and shock trooper charged shot my way around Tertium
Which I've been trying for a while

This is going to be peak

[oblique totem]

It gives the plasma gun more versatility

[wanton dawn]

Meh, having to switch blessing is not increased versability

Charging remain "wrong" choice most of the time

Also high heat got a buff

[oblique totem]

It's a small change, sure

[wanton dawn]

The 20% pow on high heat is better than blaze

[idle swallow]

exe stance having relentless baked in now makes me a happy guardsman

[midnight totem]

Good on exe stance

[sharp epoch]

It was a nice change should have been there at the start

[idle swallow]

It really was baffling that it wasn't

[tawny badger]

relent-
wait a goddamn second, that's the one that makes you immune to suppression, right

[oblique totem]

Yeah, you can get suppressed while in exe stance

[idle swallow]

Relentless is reset exe stance timer on highlight target kill

[last parcel]

it’s the refresh on highlighted kill

[oblique totem]

Or, could, I guess

[last parcel]

suppression immunity is determined

[tawny badger]

ah right

[wanton dawn]

Also vanguard replacement is bonker

[oblique totem]

Wait, relentless is something else?

[idle swallow]

Also exe stance does have determined baked in too, it just doesn't tell you

[oblique totem]

Being a vet main, I really should know this stuff.

But I don't. All I do is shoot boolet and eat hot chip

[wanton dawn]

Exe stance build got 1 point to put in one motion

[idle swallow]

I didn't know about it until someone else here told me so it's all just one long info daisy chain

[tawny badger]

all I do is shoot bullet and spam "need ammo" callout (I'm using a columnus iag)

[oblique totem]

my brother

[oblique totem]

Oh THAT.

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-mgr-mgr-raiden-handshake-hug-gif-25122328

[wanton dawn]

Bolter casually getting like, 35% swap time buff ?

[oblique totem]

Yeah it definitely should have already been standard

[tawny badger]

now if only I could reload fast enough with the heavier weapons to keep exe going

[idle swallow]

that's when you bust out the vld

[tawny badger]

true.....

[sharp epoch]

waaait

veterans can use heavy sword now

wtf

[oblique totem]

Oh shit, really?

[faint beacon]

I literally never use Heavy Swords but I’m interested

Idk if it’s good or bad for us

[tawny badger]

dueling sword to veteran oH NO

[sharp epoch]

heavy swords like one of the best hordeclear in the game

[faint beacon]

Grins

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/princess-bride-duel-sword-fight-inigo-montoya-gif-17903258

[oblique totem]

It is time

[idle swallow]

If you got a good anti armor ranged or lots of kraks heavy sword is nice

[tawny badger]

right tree veteran when they see dueling sword

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-skull-emoji-gif-24661581

[sharp epoch]

dueling sword is horrible for horde clear 😭

[lucid hinge]

just light spam and its decent

[sharp epoch]

and vet cant shoot their way out like psykers can with their staves

[tawny badger]

that's what I got my double barrel shotgun for

[oblique totem]

I can

[dire olive]

Woe, Shredder grenade be upon ye

[pearl granite]

No staves for my vet. I'm disappointed, and my day is ruined

[sharp epoch]

the only reason its viable on psyker is cause they can use their staves 90% of the time with inf ammo, and the sword is for muties and movement

[tawny badger]

force staff for ogryn when

[terse idol]

Vet when they use a combat knife

I don't think it's that bad

[sharp epoch]

knife has a lot better hordeclear than ds

[terse idol]

You'll proooobably be able go clear waves just as well by aiming head

[sharp epoch]

idk if someone manages to run it on a malestrom solo queue then i was wrong

[tame lodge]

Folks
Dueling Sword 2 light heavy for horde clear
Dueling Sword 4, push attack is an option

Or bring frags

Kek

[dire olive]

Yeah I feel everyone is too DS4 pilled to remember DS2 has slightly better horde clear

[tame lodge]

Ds2 also had a bug that affected the damage of H1

[sharp epoch]

ds4 one shots muties is why psykers even take it

and two shots crushers, gonna be one after the thrust buff

[dire olive]

I take it because cool sword

[oblique totem]

No heavy stubber for vet then?

Day ruined.

[dire olive]

They're fucking BUFFING thrust?

[sharp epoch]

My friend uses trauma and ds the damage ends up being like 600k ranged 100k melee

[terse idol]

Rashad 2 stonks going uuuup

[red robin]

I welcome more additions to the hyper mobile headshot crit finesse club

[sharp epoch]

nono theyre adding it to ds

[dire olive]

Oh

Kinda overkill

[faint beacon]

Rending on heavy sword though

That’s fucking crazy

[last parcel]

rending

rending everywhere

[oblique totem]

So is all this currently available or is it just a future change?

[faint beacon]

Purgatus and Flamer getting rending as well as Huge plasma buffs make my ass itch I won’t lie

[sharp epoch]

futuree

[faint beacon]

Makes me upset

[dire olive]

Why balance your loadout around armour when everything can just make it go away?

[last parcel]

with the patch

[terse idol]

At least boltgun gets buffed

[oblique totem]

Some things get fixed, others get broken.

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balance-perfect-gif-25200656

[terse idol]

Powersword buffed

[sharp epoch]

plasmas barely getting buffed, people are just gonna swap out one or two blessings for the slightly better versions of then

[tame lodge]

Only if it replaces uncanny

[idle swallow]

unlisted change, plasma now has a permanent 20% chance to self destruct on any shot

[oblique totem]

Thank the Emperor

[terse idol]

Just as lore intended

[oblique totem]

There's no rush if there's no risk

[pearl granite]

If it had big enough explosion, it's a win

[oblique totem]

Take a hoard with you, help out the team.

[tawny badger]

Now make Psykers have to roll perils of the warp every time they do a warp.. thing

[terse idol]

I still believe in 420 vet

[lucid hinge]

it's awesome that they fix overpressure a blessing thats been bugged for a year or more, just for them to add rending on fire stacks at the same time

Peak

[pearl granite]

Flamer is now great again?

[analog mural]

Always has been

[lucid hinge]

flamer has been pretty good before and after the FOTF nerf

it killed damn near everything

[red robin]

Damn

I kinda like this

Time to break the dodge key

[idle swallow]

Rashad/flamer with throwing knives had been my fav loadout for a bit on ol shouty

[faint beacon]

Relentless Fury was it?

[sharp epoch]

is that a talent or blessing

[faint beacon]

Was interesting

[red robin]

Blessing

[faint beacon]

Taxe blessings

[frank monolith]

Perma dodge spam

[faint beacon]

Tactical Axe to be specific

[sharp epoch]

dodge spam on psyker might be interesting

[faint beacon]

THEYRE GIVING IT A MORE SPECIFIED NICHE!

[oblique totem]

Always Be Dodging

[sharp epoch]

and psyker has a buff to heavies with some smite addon

[red robin]

The tactical axe and duelling sword have Agile

[faint beacon]

I’ll take any Taxe buffs

[red robin]

Duelling Sword + Agile + Weapon Specialist

My god

[terse idol]

[red robin]

Dodge range abusing

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/wario-mario-nintendo-suicide-gif-18825161

[crude fiber]

psyker baby mode

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-time-lion-king-gif-24467397

[idle swallow]

brb taking 3 wound curio psyker in all the lobbies for max self bombings

[tender pasture]

That plus Skirmisher on Heavy Sword

Might be able to drop Headtaker and pick up the nee Rending blessing

[faint beacon]

Skirmisher ACTUALLY be useful

WHAT

[red robin]

What does the heavy sword do that has synergy with sprinting?

Can you charge the heavy while sprinting?

If so goated

[analog mural]

You can charge heavies while sprinting with most weapons

[faint beacon]

Iirc Heavy Swords are just a good neutral Horde Clear in general

[analog mural]

Just press sprint after you start the heavy

[faint beacon]

I know they have good anti armor options if you know the combo

[analog mural]

You can even do this with hammer

[red robin]

Man I gotta use more weapons than the knife

[tender pasture]

As in, you gotta make up for losing Headtaker if you want the Rending blessing

[red robin]

I figured the knife just did that

[bright cliff]

I am in fact hyped about these patch notes

[analog mural]

Well the knife is the only one that actually speeds you up more than normal sprint speed

[red robin]

Yummy

Love mobility

Mobility ain’t a dump stat for me at all

Except on clunky ass ranged weapons

[idle pecan]

Not the plasma gun getting buffed lmfao

Ain't no way

"we've seen the plasma gun can make the game to easy. So we buffed it."

[severe gale]

the entire set of patch notes is making the game easy lol

[idle pecan]

Real but most of the weapons i never touched

Agrapinaa revo got buffed so that's hype

[terse idol]

Well buffed for a different play style

I can see 1 of the blessings used for standard playstle with gets hot

[faint beacon]

Honestly I realized you could run just Deathblow + Headtaker on Heavy Swords for Vet

We have rending strikes

[severe gale]

vet gets even more overpowered

[tender pasture]

10%?

[severe gale]

more at 9

[faint beacon]

10% rending can go a long fucking way on those things

[tender pasture]

You could even drop Headtaker and make up for it with the rest of the Vet melee buffs

[faint beacon]

Okay Tbf Psyker with 100% cleave is something else

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-vs-maho-sukuna-slice-sukuna-slash-sukuna-cleave-sukuna-attack-gif-3564216804798056365

[tender pasture]

Don't know how that's gonna shake out yet, with the new Heavy Sword Rending blessing

[faint beacon]

The HS7 special does pretty decent ADM

[gilded rock]

They should revert the zealot Chastise nerf so that Sneaky can make a really funny VId build when they make more weapons shared

[faint beacon]

Hence why I’m like I’m on the ropes with it

[severe gale]

it’s not really that strong imo

like it’s going to be good

but not on the level of some of the other changes

[tender pasture]

Tbf people see 100%

And their eyes pop

[faint beacon]

I don’t think Plasma deserves any buffs

Yet it happened anyways

[severe gale]

plasma needs to be reworked

reduce uncharged damage, fire rate, mag size, increase heat generation, remove safety on uncharged shots

increase cleave, damage on charged shots

[thin stone]

Recommend a lasgun for a noob like me plox

Is Kantrael MG12 good?

Or should I get a MG Ia

Or the Recon Lasguns?

I don't like hellbores

[terse idol]

[terse idol]

Mg12 is abit finicky
Mg1a is probably your best bst

[thin stone]

What blessings

[terse idol]

Mk4 is alright, but you will get carpal tunnel

Head hunter and deadly accurate

For all of the infantry lasguns m

[thin stone]

What's that

[terse idol]

You want flak

And...

Maniac?

[thin stone]

What about recons?

[terse idol]

Carpal tunnel syndrome is a wrist condition

[terse idol]

I don't know enough about the recons

But they're okay

[thin stone]

I have a recon 7a

Uses up ammo too quick

[terse idol]

Do you have survivalist and shock trooper?

As talents

[thin stone]

I also have skill issue

[terse idol]

Dats okie it's learning

[lavish token]

Vld op

[thin stone]

Why's that

Isn't it an ammo hog

Fires too fast

@terse idol what specials should you avoid when using a lasgun?

Maulers?

Or those Ogryn guys in Carapace armour

I forgot name

[terse idol]

I mean you want to avoid crushers

Those are all carapace

Maulers are okay if you have flak as a perk, and you only shoot their body

[thin stone]

How to deal with crushers then?

[faint beacon]

A Wacky thing called pairing Headhunter blessing with Shocktrooper talent

[terse idol]

Their head is carapace

[faint beacon]

Infinite ammo nearly

[terse idol]

Melee weapon good vs carapace, krak grenades

[thin stone]

Chainsword?

[terse idol]

I dunno enough about chainswords

[heavy rover]

I like using the mk vii or mk III shovel against crushers

[terse idol]

The sapper shovels is good vs crushers

[thin stone]

I got the shovel too

Bonk boi

[faint beacon]

They’re okay

Shredder is what effects Carapace damage

That with like WS stack and Bloodletter

Shit actually if you’re running like a Chaxe with Slaughterer or HT

BL4

You can one shot Crushers on Revved Headshot

That and you get to listen to the crunchy sfx that is the Chaxe chewing into carapace

[gilded rock]

I'm pleased the plasma got a buff though. It needed it.

[faint beacon]

Yes

The plasma

[gilded rock]

Famously known for being underpowered

[faint beacon]

The weapon that gets barely overshadowed by the Zarona

That gun

For being so bad it desperately needed a buff

When it makes me feel useless to my team when I’m running HHA

THAT gun

[faint beacon]

Reddit nation. We won

[red robin]

I like the idea of charged heavies being of use

Instead of being ammo inefficient

[slow spade]

Its only rhe blessing right?

I didn't see any base stat changes

Energy Leakage + Blaze Away plasma gun though 😩

[ocean shell]

i love fat shark right now, they’re buffing the bolt pistol

[slow spade]

Fuck I have Gets Hot locked in

[ocean shell]

literally my favourite weapon in the game and they’re making it better

[slow spade]

I have to wait for the crafting rework 😞

[slow spade]

Brb dming Fatshark to revert the bolt pistol changes

[faint beacon]

Lethal prox being untouched as well

I can meme with the shredders still

Peak

[slow spade]

Its funny queueing for a damnation and just clearing rooms

[faint beacon]

Look I know Heavy Swords are pretty decent but we’re getting them