veteran-class

[fading yarrow]

Surely this Low-Intensity Heresy Clandestium will be easier

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[scarlet path]

Clueless:

[lapis lagoon]

lol people play heresy ? i thought there is no other mod but damnation xD

[proud marsh]

yeah I'm noticing

I have limited grenades

so I cant just delete crowds on demand

[elder fiber]

yeah early level vet is ass

even moreso than early levels for other classes besides maybe zealot

[fading yarrow]

It actually went fine lol
Still have PTSD from the last time I did Low-Intensity Heresy Clandestium and it spawned a Daemonhost and Beast of Nurgle on the starting bridge

[oblique totem]

Did you win?

[bleak dome]

are any of the braced autoguns worth using?

[last parcel]

yeah it's kinda like levelling psyker but if assail took 11 points to rush. early on, exact grenade/aura choice isn't as important as hitting grenade regen and an ability ASAP (see pic)
After that you can go 4 points down the middle to grab Tactical Awareness and Iron Will, then you'll be free to keep going along the bottom 3 trees and/or go back and experiment with swapping auras/grenades/abilities

[feral granite]

im starting to admire recon/chainsword

[last parcel]

it's quite fun

[oblique totem]

I want to see four vets using recon

With smoke grenades

Rave mission

[proud marsh]

feeling the pain

[patent birch]

is Rending strikes worth it chat?

[orchid hemlock]

chat is this real? 😔

[near sable]

There are sooo many different bonuses in the tree that I want, that I'm just not allowed to have in a reasonable build

[orchid hemlock]

yes, free rending is always useful

[patent birch]

bet

i love the shock maul

indi

[orchid hemlock]

conditional rending like onslaught or Chink in the Armor

is cringe for most weapons

[marble mantle]

Early level vet is basically just like playing every “commando” class in any game. It’s always boring and generic lol.

[mortal horizon]

ive been using this for knife + double barrel build,
feels pretty good, I go back and forth on the aura tho rocking the 5% movespeed aura is probably better right? I need to drop the grenade buff for it and trade 5% toughness dmg reduction for 5% crit

the 50% dmg on krak grenades helping nuke bosses is nice, but probably not needed

[muted prairie]

I forgot onslaught existed and i remembered like an hour ago. Bro recon las is like, legit

[quasi dust]

this is the bottom half of my recon las build and i love it

onslaught makes all the difference

[lethal idol]

I GOT A BOLTGUN
I GOT A BOLT GUN
I GOT A BOLTGUN

NEST STEP, doom GUN

[proud marsh]

I like the drip though, immediate upgrade to soyker options

[coarse wolf]

20% damage tho

[uncut pebble]

Who's gonna tell him?

[lethal idol]

that the boltgun is overhyped ? mag too small ? mostly used for boss fight ?

i already knew

[uncut pebble]

None of those things, it just isn't that good, especially when vet has access to plasma.

Everything the boltgun does, plasma does better.

[lethal idol]

my Mark VII headhunter is still my spearhead

[sinful swallow]

Boltgun needs a lot of talent investment and surgical for it to do its thing well

You can oneshot headshot everything but maulers crushers and ragers, exec stance let's you get the rager oneshot

[lethal idol]

hell at first i was rocking a laspistol, sooooooooo

[sinful swallow]

Laser deagle

Boltgun has it's job done better by plasma/zarona, mag dumping is fun but so ammo inefficient

[uncut pebble]

I'm not going to stop you from using the boltgun, but as Tresdin said, it's a very talent heavy gun. Use it with that in mind.

[sinful swallow]

If you end up using it long-term it's for larping/because the sound design is so good

[last parcel]

i have lots of talent so it's no problem

[uncut pebble]

You're a talentless heretic corrupted by slaanesh. I'll hear none of that.

Creature.

[sinful swallow]

[uncut pebble]

(This is a joke. Laugh.)

[sinful swallow]

[last parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/302415005146677248/1027789933487861761/DevilCatHUH.gif

[sinful swallow]

Lmao

[uncut pebble]

I wasn't joking about the creature part, though.

Backup is definitely a creature.

[lethal idol]

like the revolver, the boltgun will be for fun alone, not "competitive play"

as i said, my headhunter for now is my spearhead, high damage, accurate, low ammo consuption

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver is peak competitive play

The chad weapon

[lethal idol]

the piercing ammo sure is useful in some moment to get several target with one shot

[tall torrent]

Revolver is the best veteran gun rn

Zarona mk2a

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/woooooooooo-gif-27272095

I despise the Zarona

[last parcel]

you also have an unhealthy addiction with agri HHA that can only be treated by euthanasia

[faint beacon]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

My hatred is exclusively for the Zarona I hate that thing with a passion

[umbral scaffold]

nerd ahh mf

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/fax-fax-my-brother-spit-yo-shit-spit-yo-spit-yo-shit-indeed-gif-507805022135946814

[faint beacon]

I do not like being unable to kill any special just cause the Zealot decided to choose it that is my objected fact opinion

[midnight totem]

Sounds like a skill issue

[faint beacon]

Its overpowered end of story

[atomic zephyr]

somehow I prefer the bolt pistol over the zarona

I think it’s the reload

zarona reload can be too long

[austere mica]

I prefer it over zarona because it’s a semblance of balanced

[atomic zephyr]

I mean that too

but the bolt pistol will always leave me down for the exact same amount of time

with zarona, the longer you’re in a gunfight the longer you spend out of the gunfight

which isn’t great when dueling shooters in cover

[austere mica]

You shoot shooter with anything with an ammo count below 150?

I just rush them unless I have a recon or inf las

[last parcel]

have you heard of weapon specialist and always prepared

[atomic zephyr]

that loads what, one bullet?

[atomic zephyr]

I like watching them explode

[last parcel]

that's 1 out of 5 and you can just stab someone else to load another one

[atomic zephyr]

true, but in that case my playstyle doesn’t really mesh with weapon specialist (skill issue)

[austere mica]

Weapon spec mk6 knife and double barrel is my crack

Out meleeing zealots and outshooting the team on top

[atomic zephyr]

im a much better shot than I am melee fighter

is it weird that I don’t like the hacker shotgun

i just felt limited somehow

[austere mica]

Manstopper

Cleave isn’t real

My ball bearings have the penetrative power of a tungsten rod at Mach speed

[atomic zephyr]

lmao

I swear i was using a manstopper flechette roll but ill take a look through my inventory later

[faint beacon]

So fucking tired of waiting for an MG I made it myself

Agri Braced for maximum Larp

[austere mica]

For weapon spec?

Or no because running both isn’t great

I feel like the best possible description of Manstopper is it just gives your weapon a cone template

[tall torrent]

Manstopper is just infinite cleave instead of 4.5

Would u rather one shot 6 ragers in front of u or only 1~2 depending on RNG

[austere mica]

I know that

But the best way to describe it to someone visually

[blissful marsh]

wv \

[oblique totem]

That's actually an amazing set up.

[faint beacon]

Braced Agri with "Keep Their Heads Down!" Talent for Min-Maxxing in Stubber Larp

is that talent useless

Absolutely

am I gonna use it?

absolutely

[last parcel]

take competitive urge for more suppression

[faint beacon]

TRUE

[oblique totem]

Is the outfit also modded?

[faint beacon]

No, Commodore

you just never fucking see the Steel Legion set ever in rotation

[oblique totem]

Sad

[faint beacon]

Alright any bets on people leaving upon seeing my gun

[last parcel]

people didn't leave upon see this with me bringing volley fire so probably nobody

[oblique totem]

Can other people also see the weapon?

[last parcel]

no

it's just a regular agri brauto for them

[austere mica]

That would violate Fatshark policy

[oblique totem]

Oh I see

Can't have cosmetics outside of what they drip feed

[last parcel]

can't affect other players

[oblique totem]

Potential for cheating?

[austere mica]

No you can get skins without paying

[uncut pebble]

For the drip is technically allowed as long as nobody can see it, and weapon customization follows the same rules.

[oblique totem]

Hmm

[uncut pebble]

I used for the drip a little but frankly it made me crash a lot and getting it to work with loadout swaps was a pain in the butt.

[austere mica]

I run weapon customization primarily to not use irons on half the guns, secondarily for the actual mod purpose

[sinful swallow]

Graia gets increased fire rate while braced

[drowsy aspen]

I'll also say

[last parcel]

having shots penetrate people also seems appropriate for a heavy gunner

[drowsy aspen]

Your build has a good chance of being helpful, no?

[oblique totem]

Torrent rate of fire is insane

[drowsy aspen]

Suppression isn't bad

Your team won't be upset that people aren't shooting them, I'd figure

[uncut pebble]

It's really nice because you can put an oversized shotgun barrel on the gorgonum and larp that it's an autocannon.

[oblique totem]

Honestly I've seen suppression stop entire hoards in their tracks

[drowsy aspen]

Yeah

It'd probably be better to kill them outright

But watching an entire group of enemies just stop doing what they're doing definitely doesn't make me sad

[oblique totem]

I see it as like the pskyer electric attack. Causes damage and stuns them

[faint beacon]

This was with the Agri

Im going to do one with the Graia Braced

cause I literally rolled a carbon copy Braced version

Purposely making the Graia look as dumb as possible

anyways lets see how this goes

[uncut pebble]

Water cooled light machine gun looking headass.

[faint beacon]

I LOVE the MG08 from the horrid First World War

[wide anvil]

They ever fixed this?

[last parcel]

yes like two months ago

[wide anvil]

Ty I keep forgetting if they did

Hell yeah

Finally out of the closet

[uncut pebble]

That actually might slap like a mf...

Get max uncanny, special, PA headshot a crusher.

[wide anvil]

It's a Mk 3 so probably not as efficient but I prefer it over the other Mks

SoonTM Max Uncanny

[oblique totem]

My first thought was: Is that an MG08?

[near sable]

the og steel legion set got some drip

[distant phoenix]

This popup appears on my screen every single time I log in everyday since I started playing a year ago

[faint beacon]

Throwing together some clips in a clip dump

[austere mica]

Never seen that one before

[oblique totem]

Hey, that's the same message I get when I have to keep reverifying.

[distant phoenix]

Hmm

[oblique totem]

Excited to see it.

[oblique totem]

Does xbox have a version of reverifying the files?

[distant phoenix]

Nope

[oblique totem]

Rip

[lethal idol]

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM

[faint beacon]

My dumbass forgot to take a SS of the scoreboard

but it was actually fun

fucking suppressed an entire Groaner horde in their tracks lmao

[last parcel]

just hit f5

[faint beacon]

Thank you

Ammo Vacuum 💪

[wide anvil]

"I WANT YOU IN MY ROOM"

[lethal idol]

we spend the night together, killing heretic forever

[wide anvil]

[tall torrent]

wait why does ur input keys switch between KBM and controller in ur UI

[lethal idol]

to be fair, i play at least once a day the space marines verions of "still standing" soooo

[lethal idol]

dunno, maybe because i'm on PC but i play with a controler ?

[tall torrent]

Looks kind of weird ngl

It’s not supposed to happen

[lethal idol]

🤷‍♂️

[tall torrent]

Do u have smth that’s clicking keyboard at the same time of controller use

[lethal idol]

probably when i entered ALT F9 since i use GeForce to record

[tall torrent]

Also just a tip, go to settings -> interface -> crosshair type

Swap to rapid fire / assault

Makes it easier to aim

[lethal idol]

gonna check that

(still think a Ogryn if they were more available could use a boltgun as a handgun)

[faint beacon]

@oblique totem https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iBsni9o4jI7IjSsHh/d1337WXuobx5?invite=cr-MSxqb04sMTA3NDAxNTczLA

As promised the clip dump

Also this is a joke build in no way do I recommend using this in like Maelstrom lmao

[uncut pebble]

Yeah if you're gonna use a brauto I think zealout makes better use of them.

[faint beacon]

I mean yeah its a joke build I dont intend for it to be insane

though It shockingly did its job of making anything with a gun refuse to fire

[uncut pebble]

When you have 72 rounds being dumped at you in the span of 2 seconds, I wouldn't think you'd be trying to shoot, either.

[faint beacon]

Shartshark hasn't added stubbers for vet

so I fucking made it myself

Simple as that

[uncut pebble]

When will they add stubcarbines..?

[frank ether]

used to be an even bigger gap with the old charge tech

[uncut pebble]

I know, and I'm glad they removed the rending on fotf for ranged weapons.

No more mag dumping zealouts that munch up every last scrap of ammo they can get their grubby hands on.

[frank ether]

Eh to me the huge cone of fire is a deal breaker on some weapons

[uncut pebble]

Cone of fire is irrelevant when the enemy is within spitting distance.

[frank ether]

zealot gets to have very accurate hipfire, if vet did, I'd use an autopistol on veteran.

[fluid gust]

You can push the fire rate even higher if you activate ranged specialist

[frank ether]

I use these weapons to shoot at either specials or gunners, in either case range is very relevant

I used to think maybe I'm overrating things

but then I started playing more and more zealot

[last parcel]

he does that at 1:40

[frank ether]

and I realized no, if anything listening to others have been a bait

[faint beacon]

The more time I dump into this game the more I come to terms with there’s seriously minuscule cases of actual bad weapons everything is either solid or a few extremely strong weapons

[oblique totem]

No bad gear, just bad players

[drowsy aspen]

It's pretty well balanced

There are some issues, no doubt

[lavish juniper]

Small question, would it be.. redundant(?) to use Weight of Fire/Surgical on a Helbore III? Or should I want infenus on it instead?

[uncut pebble]

Weight of fire and surgical are BIS for helbores.

You get a significantly faster fire rate after the first shot and you get a higher crit % for simply using your helbore the way its intended to be used.

[drowsy aspen]

Infernus is pretty bad on things with low rate of fire

[uncut pebble]

Infernus is a recon/laspistol exclusive use case blessing.

[drowsy aspen]

It's pretty sick on the Recon Lasguns, but beyond that I honestly don't know how good it is

[uncut pebble]

I have never seen people use infernus on an ilas to great effect.

[lavish juniper]

Just checking, I saw a build with Infenus on it, and I was curious if infenus was giving an overall improved performance then Weight of Fire and Surgical like I was orgnially thinking

Thanks guys

[drowsy aspen]

I've used it to decent effect. Idk what good blessings on an ilas even are tho

The new Recons have not made me curious lmao

[uncut pebble]

Rule of thumb is infernus only goes on recons and laspistols. Otherwise, it's a brick blessing.

[drowsy aspen]

Mostly just curious how many lasers I can fire in one round

[uncut pebble]

Infantry lasguns want some form of headhunter and deadly accurate or ghost, helbores always want weight of fire and surgical.

[drowsy aspen]

What's Deadly Accurate again?

...I should train up on some Infantry Lasguns one of these days

[uncut pebble]

Bonus damage to weakspot crits.

T4 is 100% iirc.

[drowsy aspen]

My aim isn't always the best- oh hell yeah

Double????

Bro based

[uncut pebble]

Yeah it's hella good.

Just gotta hit your headshots.

[drowsy aspen]

Vet is so based

...ehhh that's a bit of a tall order for me

[uncut pebble]

Bolt pistol also has deadly accurate if you want to make a weapon spec build.

[drowsy aspen]

Darktide is my most played FPS game - my headshots aren't the best

My game sense and melee timing are much stronger than my aim or reflexes

[uncut pebble]

You can do lethal prox and deadly accurate so its a stat stick and quickdraw executor type weapon.

[drowsy aspen]

Do you think the Bolt Pistol is worth investing in?

[uncut pebble]

It's got one niche use for vet and one niche use for zealout.

Otherwise, no.

[drowsy aspen]

My man... my fuckin man... 😏

Aw damn.

...yea I think the BP could use a bit of a buff

It's fine

[uncut pebble]

The niche use for vet is as explained there.

[drowsy aspen]

But whenever I'm running it, there's a part of my mind that says

[uncut pebble]

The niche use for zealout is a puncture roll to guarantee scourge is working.

[drowsy aspen]

"You could be running the Zarona"

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but see, a bolt pistol shoots a literal miniature rpg.

Can't get much more based than that.

[drowsy aspen]

I am an ogryn player, so you're speaking my language with the vibes-based evaluation

[fluid gust]

Infantry Autoguns don't get headhunter or deadly accurate, only the uuuh... Headhunter Autoguns do

[drowsy aspen]

A different question for you, Frog - what do you consider the most busted weapon in the game?

[fluid gust]

Nop wwait

I misread that, sorry

[uncut pebble]

Crusher.

Crusher is stupid levels of broken.

You don't even need blessings on it for it to perform well.

[fluid gust]

I saw infantry gun and brain went "hmm"

[drowsy aspen]

Crusher is definitely good - what makes it most busted?

[uncut pebble]

I can pull a decently rolled stat crusher at white rarity and drop myself into a histg auric and still top damage.

It just plays the game for you.

[fluid gust]

But yes, the infantry lasguns (all Kantrael) want headhunter and deadly accurate

Keep in mind all this might change by the end of the month

[uncut pebble]

It doesn't care about armor and you can knock over just about everything with the special attack, as well as open up bulwarks.

When you add skullcrusher and hammerblow to the mix, you do silly amounts of damage and can stagger ragers out of their combos without your special.

[drowsy aspen]

That's true- it's one of those weapons where nothing likes being hit by it

Right the rager stagger... not even many Ogryn weapons can do that iirc

[uncut pebble]

It gets even sillier when martyrdom is stacked up.

[drowsy aspen]

I've never done Martyrdom Crusher lol

[uncut pebble]

Martyr is... 4% damage per stack?

[drowsy aspen]

I've been more of a Heavy Sword/Saul zealot lately

I think it's higher than 4 actually

Iirc

[uncut pebble]

At 6 stacks you basically have a permanent 25% damage boost to an already busted weapon, pushing you over 1shot bps for everything that isn't an ogryn or mauler if you weren't already hitting them.

[drowsy aspen]

It has great Unyielding damage too

I very specifically remember marveling at how easily Bulwarks went down

[uncut pebble]

Yup, I can 1tap a bulwark with mine.

[drowsy aspen]

Ehwhaaaa?

That's pretty nuts

[uncut pebble]

25% unyielding damage perk and a backstab attack will drop him dead in his tracks, no martyr stacks needed.

[drowsy aspen]

Are you running backstab but not stealth? Interesting

Suppose that's not too hard to get utility out of if your movement is good

[uncut pebble]

I'm running throwing knives and then pathing left into benediction and fotf, then into martyrdom.

This is to take advantage of second wind.

Because that talent is hella broken.

[drowsy aspen]

Heh. Gosh I love the knives.

I thought I'd hate them, really did

[uncut pebble]

15%(?) toughness regeneration on any dodge, including ranged weapon fire. (except gunners and reapers)

[drowsy aspen]

But nah. They rule.

[drowsy aspen]

Riiight that bitch

I had that on my stealth build I was using lately, plus the Inexorable Judgement stacks from dodging

[uncut pebble]

Oh, also, I take purge the unclean for that extra 20% unyielding damage.

That might also play a big part in the bulwark 1tap.

[drowsy aspen]

Made me finally realize stealth zealot could be good- oh yeah I'd expect so

Is the backstab buff 30%?

[uncut pebble]

20%

[drowsy aspen]

Okay okay

So you're getting...

[uncut pebble]

And then there's another node down the middle path somewhere that's 20% for ranged backstabs as well.

[drowsy aspen]

1.2 × 1.2 × 1.25

[uncut pebble]

I dont know if those two stack, btw.

If they do it'd be funny.

[uncut pebble]

This is assuming darktide math isn't janky and stupid.

[drowsy aspen]

Howwww could it be anything but this...

You're scaring me, frog

[uncut pebble]

Is it ((1.2 × base) × 2)) + (1.25 × base)?

To put it a little more simply, is it only base damage being calculated, or is it actually being multiplicatively calculated?

[drowsy aspen]

Ohhh I get you

Yea that's not insane to ask

[uncut pebble]

Or is it (((1.2 × base) × 1.2) × 1.25)?

These are the questions that I don't have the answers to.

[drowsy aspen]

The range would then be between 165-180%

[uncut pebble]

I just know "heehoo bulwark go squish" when I hit him in the back of the head with my H1.

[drowsy aspen]

15% damage... that's actually a big fuckin difference

Ugh

[uncut pebble]

Oh also!

Duellist might be messing with it too!

I dont remember if I ditched it or not.

And that's a 50% Finesse bonus.

[drowsy aspen]

...FUCK

[visual remnant]

@uncut pebble

go 2 bed freak

!

[uncut pebble]

Sorry I'm being autistic about the crusher.

[drowsy aspen]

Sorry, I'm out here soliciting autism - my favorite passtime...

[uncut pebble]

But yeah, crusher is the most busted weapon ino.

You ogryns can have your branx crusher 1taps without any funny business, I'll have my bp shattering bonk stick.

[drowsy aspen]

...the Ogryn busted weapon is the Kickback

Let there be no doubt

Don't let damage calcs distract you

[uncut pebble]

Frankly, I don't see it.

I think ripperguns with can opener are more busted.

[drowsy aspen]

...I played about 50 hours of Ogryn without touching the kickback, then picked it up again

It's insane

[uncut pebble]

Instantly shattering an enemy's armor almost completely on demand, at any time, and you don't need ammo?

[drowsy aspen]

That's good

[uncut pebble]

I think I know what takes the cake for me.

[drowsy aspen]

That is a good and strong circumstantial trait

That justifies the otherwise kinda iffy ripper class of weapon

The Kickback is instant damage, highly effective against any enemy at any range

At virtually any skill level

[fluid gust]

Weapon bash melee attacks also trigger the ogryn's bleed on heavy attack talent, and each DOT tick will also tick can opener I'm pretty sure

[drowsy aspen]

A relic patched out, I'm afraid

[fluid gust]

Oh

[drowsy aspen]

I'm very sad I missed the era of Thunderous/Skullcrusher on bleed tick

[fluid gust]

Was it patched out? I don't recall when that happened

[uncut pebble]

Actually now I want to see if I can do a can opener into karsolas special 1tap on crushers...

[drowsy aspen]

I'd imagine you could- but I'm not sure

Can Opener x2 is about an 80% armor reduction

But the picks do good damage through armor already

[frank ether]

I've seen it, its called placebo effect

[drowsy aspen]

...the pick special pull adds an additional 10% vulnerability, but if you're hitting a Crusher with the special that's just a thing

[tall torrent]

U don’t need to because pickaxes already have good carapace ADM

Karsolas on some builds can 1 tap crusher, or at least 1 combo (2 hits) crusher

[uncut pebble]

I'm not saying I need to.

I was just saying I wanted to see if it was possible.

[tall torrent]

Can opener is really just for cleavers

It doesn’t matter that much for other melee weapons

[old prism]

You need HH and headtaker stacks + 25 carapace to one tap a crusher from pull into overhead Heavy. It’s not as bad as it sounds as it’s so easy to stack up.

My favourite thing to do on Karsolas is HH + Headtaker + Slaughterer + 25 carapace. This is a two hit kill on crusher with regular heavy swipes, which is ridiculous.

Remember to pick soften them up for pull into heavy shenanigans as it’s a big damage boost for the overhead

[finite carbon]

Guys, what's a good keystone to run for crusher on zealot?

[autumn shadow]

what melee weapon do you guys run on auric maelstorm for those melee only armored missions ive been using the knife and I feel like its not enough

[finite carbon]

Power sword mk 3 with Sunder usually. Does the trick

[earnest bone]

Knife is definitely the best, then comes Power Sword mk6 and Rashad mk2
What blessings are you using on knife? You can go with Uncanny Strike + Riposte or Mercy Killer ( with bleed passive talent).

Uncanny makes armor a joke

[autumn shadow]

got the bleed stack on crit and riposte

[earnest bone]

that's your answer

remove bleed one and use Uncanny

[autumn shadow]

ill check em out in a bit

[fleet drift]

need advice with Recon Lasgun build

want to try infernus cri build

[frank ether]

I had a plas/knife vet last night

12 small 2 large ammo

100k total damage dealt

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[frank ether]

took like 3 grenade pick-ups after I saved his ass with 2 stuns

honestly this is what I deserve for making fun of krieg larpers 😔

[lyric dock]

Typical numbers of plasma gun because that girl be hungry for ammo

And that's even when you only use it on Elites and Specialists, trying to hit multiple in one shot, and never using the charge shot

[thorn lark]

Judgement / martyr

You want that attack speed

Also crusher push attack is finesse heavy

Crusher likes duellist and desperation

Well you could play crusher with the 3 keystone tbh

Check here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3127724964

It's just that I like having a lot of attack speed with it

[delicate hornet]

just to preface infernus is a fun option but is usually considered sub-optimal damage-wise.

Mk VId is best for outputting as many crits as possible for infernus, take +5% ranged crit chance as a perk as well. talent-wise you'll want the +5 crit chance above infiltrate, reciprocity, and shocktrooper to capitalise on crit chance. remember to dodge to keep up reciprocity crit chance. rending strikes and onslaught will give you anti-armour capabilities on top of this

[frank ether]

I regret not checking his platform tbh but he knew enough to do some knife tech (if you could call holding m1 and running forward movement tech lmao)

specimen of a vet main, needs to be studied

[remote idol]

Interesting guide that raises a number of points on my side, I have this mace, I like this mace, but I play it in a totally different way. Whether it's the perks or the blessings.
I'll have to look a little to see if there's a way to test all that.

[lusty sapphire]

Plasma and IAGs still beat it imo

Recon 7 is still amazing

I just think overall the other ones are better

I guess that's true I'm not a plasma player so I can't really speak

Ciag is kinda nuts tho with better finesse

Better ammo economy on recons tho

Ironically

[heavy rover]

For my recon lasgun build I've got the following:

Talents with Deadshot, the shocktrooper, and target down

Then do headhunter and infernus on the recon lasgun. In terms of the specific Mk that's up to you, for me personally I like running the mk vii to maximize Deadshot

For curios I run 1 wound and the rest with stamina to maximize Deadshot

[rare bough]

https://tenor.com/view/pew-shoot-your-shot-shooting-gif-23747076

[lyric dock]

Might as well replace that 1 wound for Toughness

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I've been split between wound or toughness. To compensate I've got the small toughness perk for all three of them

[lyric dock]

Toughness gets way more milage than a extra wound will ever give ya

Because a Wound assumes you'll go down enough at some point

[lusty sapphire]

Why would you take a curio that is only useful in case you fail?

Wouldn't it be better to prepare not to reach that point?

[lyric dock]

Because if you're going down that often to the point you need a extra wound.

Would it be better to make it Harder to go down in the first place

[lusty sapphire]

More toughness also means less dmg bleeds through to your hp btw

Cause toughness is nothing more than melee dr

[delicate hornet]

+wound just kinda sucks on anything other than a martyrdom zealot imo

[lavish token]

tbf

[lusty sapphire]

You could make an argument for psyker cause it's so squish

[lavish token]

I do build all of my builds with maximised oh fuck defense

[delicate hornet]

id rather just run +toughness to make better use of psykers insane toughness regen

[lusty sapphire]

Absolutely I'm just nit instantly dismissing it on psyker cause so many of them blow up

So i'd rather they run +1 wound in case they often forget they are directly connected to the warp

[delicate hornet]

true true

[heavy rover]

Yeah, I see what you mean on maximizing toughness. I tend to keep the +1 wound as a contingency for very unlucky scenarios like a crusher going for an overhead and I didn't see them when dealing with the hordes. I like to think those kinds of instances are rarer for me those days

[lusty sapphire]

It makes sense but at the same time you weaken your capabilities to take punishment in all other scenarios

Horde, shooters, boss etc

[heavy rover]

Yeah, that's a good point

[delicate hornet]

VoC is much better for those situations, keeping gold toughness up makes you insanely tanky

[heavy rover]

I'll try swapping the wound to a toughness curio and see if I was being too paranoid

[crimson pebble]

Getting mogged by mutie and burster instant death

[delicate hornet]

then again thats an ability rather than a curio haha

[lusty sapphire]

Just dodge

Meanwhile bad poly terrain "Heh I think not" dodges in place and gets grabbed

[delicate hornet]

the random poxwalker that got staggered behind you:

[lusty sapphire]

Like a black hole keeping you in place

[pliant sentinel]

By the Emperor, bolt pistol and mk3 knife is by far a nasty ass combo

Brother, hand me the combat stim, I'm about to mog on these ragers

none can withstand the power of full 8 stacked focus and squad cohesion

[thorn lark]

8 stacked focus is too much of a commitment

[pliant sentinel]

The Emperor demands I remain at peak performance at all times

I only get that focus stack if I'm consistent with tagging

a true Cadian maintains absolute perfect consistency

[thorn lark]

I'd rather swap focus and get 1.5 DMG / stack

[pliant sentinel]

I've been maining the plasma gun as of late so damage is already stupid

My three strongest ranged weapons

MK II Accatran
Plasma gun
Bolt pistol

[woeful ibex]

BASTION TWO TWENTY COMBAT STANCE

[pliant sentinel]

WATCH. LEARN. REPEAT. GOT IT?!

[heavy rover]

NO DYING TILL I SAY SO

[lyric dock]

I went back to my Plasma now that I made a better one. God I forgot how stupid it is

[pliant sentinel]

It's so broken lmfao

Makes me want actual Kasrkin armor to go with it

[lusty sapphire]

They have the scion helmet and the Cadian armour. Close enough

[hasty meteor]

lol hi Beziik, fancy meeting you here

[lusty sapphire]

Heyo fancy seeing you around

[hasty meteor]

only thing I don't like about the plasma is the inefficiency for regular gunner mobs

[pliant sentinel]

If she ain't Cadian, ion want her

Fortress world ladies type shit

[lyric dock]

It's just stupid

[pliant sentinel]

How do you get the scoreboard to work without breaking your game?

I always crash

[lyric dock]

That I have no idea how I manage to make it not crash me

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah I kinda agree. And every game it looks like if I don't kill shooters none will

Everyone chases elite/special kills

[hasty meteor]

just use PowerDI instead so you don't waste space on "score"

[hasty meteor]

Yup, that's why I've been trying out some lasguns and other stuff to be able to deal with them while the chaos rages around me

[lyric dock]

Only gripe I have with it as well, but I'll take the trade off of making sure every damn special and Elite is sent to hell personally

[lusty sapphire]

Recons are the hot stuff rn

^

It does that to crushers. Imagine just a dreg shooter

[pliant sentinel]

MKII is fucking nastyyy

[hasty meteor]

I don't remember what I picked, I don't have access to a good version of every weapon yet so I found something with decent gear score and tried to make it work

[lusty sapphire]

That's the 6d btw

[lyric dock]

I would like to try Recons, but I keep getting all the shit ones from Brunt

[lusty sapphire]

Rending is just broken

[pliant sentinel]

I don't like the VId as much as the II

[lyric dock]

Over 3 Mil dockets spent and nothing over 350 base rating

[lusty sapphire]

I really like the 2 on gunker

[pliant sentinel]

VId has way too fast of an ROF for me

[fossil basalt]

VId gunker go BRRT and watches as infernus absolutely obliterates their hp pool

[lusty sapphire]

Personally i find 7 with MF much funnier. The cleave and dmg is cheff's kiss

[pliant sentinel]

I want the hellgun

so fucking bad

[lyric dock]

Akimbo Las pistols

And I'll be happy

[lusty sapphire]

Warhammer doesn't lack gear for them to add

[lyric dock]

Woudn't mind some "Repurposed" Tau weapons to play with

[lusty sapphire]

I don't think that's possible

In the slightest

[pliant sentinel]

Necron gauss weaponry would be gross

[lyric dock]

Let a guardsman dream

[lusty sapphire]

It is a rogue trader's ship but we have both an inquisitor and ton of mechanicus presence due to Tertium's characteristics

[lusty sapphire]

You should be executed on the spot for such heretical "dreams" guardsman

[pliant sentinel]

Guys I'm trying to convince Lady Hallowette to go out to dinner with me

What should I say?

[lyric dock]

If it wasn't for one of my damn brothers. I wouldn't been caught in the first place. Do you know how much Tau equipment sells for on the black market!?!

[tame lodge]

That you're the one paying (she'll order expensive stuff and bankrupt you)

[lusty sapphire]

How many aquilas can you spare?

[pliant sentinel]

For her, worth it

Irish accent got me acting heretical

[lusty sapphire]

Then you just repeat that number to her

[hasty meteor]

Brag about the size of your ... 'legitimate arms trade'

[tame lodge]

Not really

[pliant sentinel]

If I charm her enough, she'll give me a discount

and a kiss on the cheek before every mission

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah ... about that

[pliant sentinel]

Better not be some Tzeentch fuckery

[hasty meteor]

sounds like a good way to be pickpocketed. Imagine walking into a mission with no ammo

[pliant sentinel]

"Who's my good little guardsman?" Meanwhile she swipes my entire inventory

[hasty meteor]

no grenades, your cosmetic has changed to the prisoner's garb...

[fleet drift]

Thanks for the advice

[fleet drift]

Thanks for the advice

[tame lodge]

Ah hell nah, she took all your 30 talent points

[pliant sentinel]

A one night stand ends up going awry

smells like Slaanesh goonery

[tame lodge]

Doubt you're getting to see her private stash

[pliant sentinel]

Based game

Now I want to play it again

[tame lodge]

I have yet to play

[pliant sentinel]

One of the most underrated R★ games imo

[tame lodge]

Back when they used to make games

[hasty meteor]

They still do, just one every other decade now instead of one every other year

[patent birch]

agni or idni shock maul

[lusty sapphire]

Your choice. Damage profile is kinda the same

Indignatus has repeated strikedown on heavies and more swipes on lights.
Agni has more single target focus on lights and the heavies alternate swipe and strikedown

[fading yarrow]

Man

I love knife gameplay so much

Especially on Clandestium when the capacitors need to be reset and they're on the opposite side of the arena

Just

Nyooooom

No system restart required

[fading yarrow]

Locked in too hard for an Auric Chasm Station run, forgot to blink

[last parcel]

that's a little concerning

[fading yarrow]

My squishy eyelobes hurty

[hasty meteor]

that's why I stay away from the dagger playstyles, especially on vet. Sit back, take care of all the ranged in the world, catachan parry/Heavy atk the horde away that gets through everyone else

nice and chill

[faint beacon]

I prefer Taxe seeing it gives me knife mobility but a fully flexible attack chain and specials

[hasty meteor]

that's fair, I haven't played a lot of Vet yet to explore other weapons, Found a couple I like and away I go

[faint beacon]

Like I like the idea that everything on it has a use vs like Rashad where it’s special doesn’t exist

[hasty meteor]

eh, thinking too much is for the sparkheads. Gimme a Rashad and light attack with brutal momentum all day. no thoughts, head empty, no head for the heretics

[merry oak]

the helbore bayonet counts as a melee weapon right?

[sinful swallow]

Not really?

It won't proc weapon specialist and it benefits from exec stance

[merry oak]

it does proc agile engagment

weird

[sinful swallow]

It's kind of a blended mess, it used to inherit your melee blessings too

[merry oak]

yea that was fun

mmk seems the 10%melee boost in the skill tree also affects it still

[zenith sandal]

Melk offering
Me 340s on off meta weapons

I am going to rip his nuts off and give them to hadron

[fading yarrow]

Just completed my first Auric Damnation mission, Power Matrix

The blood be pumpin'

[faint beacon]

Auric Damnation truly is my casual now and I think that’s sad I play the game too much

[tame lodge]

I had enough of fire spam and gas on AuDamn

Went back to Malice but I still miss the threat of a DH

[sharp trail]

suffering from success

[fading yarrow]

I'm only going to be doing each AuDam once for the Penances then never touch Auric again

Even then I may not even do them all; I think I'll hit 4500 well before then

[faint beacon]

You will

Eventually cave into only playing AuDamn

[fading yarrow]

You might be right

Those medals look fancy

[crude fiber]

wtf is happening

this is supposed to be a dead game

[faint beacon]

Dead game

Still dead see

[fading yarrow]

Lessee here
I'm at 4360, so I need to do either 14 different Heresy Aurics or 7 Damnation Aurics to finally earn the Loyalist Moebian VIth armor

[muted prairie]

i still desperately want a hellgun but man does recon II with onslaught come close

[plucky pewter]

It dawns on me, I am not a Veteran Sharpshooter. I'm playing the Officer because everyone does what I want when I yell at them (I adore VoC).

[inland orchid]

You can be both vets glorious for filling a lot of roles at once

[plucky pewter]

I have this and a very rude sapper shovel, regenerating kraks, and inspiring screaming.

So mood, lots of roles supported by this Bolter

[midnight totem]

I have been stuck in traffic

[last parcel]

have you tried using infiltrate to sneak past the traffic

[midnight totem]

For 40 minutes

Can't infiltrate my car

Get me a fucking leman russ demolisher

Oh. Somebody got into an accident

[mossy hollow]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HAVE BEEN TRYING THIS ONE PENANCE FOR LIKE 2 HOURS BUT I KEEP FUCKING IT UP BECAUSE OF RUBBERBANDING I AM GOING TO GIVE MYSELF A URETHRAL SWAB WITH A FLANGED MACE

[fading yarrow]

AuDam Magistrati Oubliette done, accidentally went in on my knife build(match in progress) instead of my VoC build and died a couple of times

You Auric people are insane ngl

[muted prairie]

you learn to love it tbh. the sheer carnage you get to deal out and how tense every match feels

unless you happen to get a great group of randoms, then auric becomes a cakewalk lol

[uncut pebble]

Typically aurics are fine because it's not the level of difficulty that you get to mess around in.

So long as you bring the proper build, or at the very least, are experienced with your build, you should have little to no issues.

[junior needle]

Yes.

[junior needle]

I didn't run away, I advanced in a different direction

[idle swallow]

https://tenor.com/bJkt7.gif

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/winkythedwarfcat-winky-cat-sad-tired-gif-6471914036130722371

[last parcel]

begone irs

tax evasion is an obligation

[uncut pebble]

For once, I agree with Backup.

[idle swallow]

now you're finally amenable to the idea of striped knee socks

[uncut pebble]

Absolutely not.

I am 6ft tall and 240lbs. I cannot be a femboy even if I wanted to.

[fading yarrow]

So close
Five more AuDams to go

[uncut pebble]

You want a femboy, you ask @visual remnant

[fading yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

I appear to have interjected at an inopportune moment

[scarlet path]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

Ayo?

[uncut pebble]

I'm not wrong!

[frank basin]

isn't some femboy are belong in #zealot-class ?

[visual remnant]

Whar u want

Ur a freak frog

A FREAK

[frank basin]

famboi

[terse gate]

This any good?

[arctic rampart]

Perks & Blessings:
Flak
Elite
Maniac
Dum Dum
Infernus
Ghost

I'd say looks like a weapon you can mod to use for a while sure. I like the fire rate its fun with blue stim

(make sure you're using full auto mod for that gun tho IMO)

DumDum is underlined in the guide (see sticky top right) as the most important one, so make sure you reroll raking fire to dumdum.

[uncut pebble]

Nuh uh! You're the one that's the femboy!

Smh.

[terse gate]

Ok noted, appreciate it. Been rolling forever for a good one

[uncut pebble]

Unironically, potential god roll after crafting rework.

Stats might boost to have 80% in everything but mobility.

[fading yarrow]

I just lucked out to an insane degree
Decided to give Auric Maelstrom a shot since it was Consignment Yard on Damnation with easy modifiers, and I joined a match in progress at the very end of the mission lmao

30 Penance score for 5 minutes of Monstrosity slaying

[mossy hollow]

NVM I DID IT YIPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[midnight totem]

haha nice

[fading yarrow]

How hard are Sniper Gauntlets?

[elder fiber]

depends on your gun + aim

[fading yarrow]

Both are serviceable, but do general Specialist/Elite spawns get largely replaced by Snipers?

[austere mica]

If you play vet bring smokes

[fading yarrow]

Oop

Readied up right before seeing that lol

[last parcel]

if you get em first you'll be fine

[supple stag]

If you have Headhunter Autoguns (especially Vraks 7) or Infantry Lasguns it ain't so bad, assuming your dodges and aim are on point

Smoke nades can help if you struggle

[uncut pebble]

The mk7 is the only usable one, imo.

Burst fire is... wack...

[merry oak]

its like someone forgot to lube the mechanism so it chugs like a steam train

[faint beacon]

Tip for any new veterans in here

Do not be me

and make a joke build using Terrifying Barrage Ever

[merry oak]

that bad?

[last parcel]

it basically does nothing due to suppression only affecting certain enemies and the suppression area being centered on where you're standing

[merry oak]

that is bad

[austere mica]

If it was in an AOE around the TARGET it would be ok

But its around you

Anything inside 7 meters can be stabbed

[somber axle]

They become extra easy if anyone is running Exe Stance + squad highlight since everyone will always know exactly how many there are and where they are at pretty much all times but that's probably overkill tbh. Any weapon you're comfy using for pin point accuracy across a long distance trivializes it

[last parcel]

it’s overkill

but it feels good

hnng

[austere mica]

Or you can run knife and smokes to Become Anime™️

[elder fiber]

no thanks

[merry oak]

the next update cannot come fast enough

[last parcel]

i don’t even bring smokes i just run at them and let fate sort it out

[austere mica]

That also works

[merry oak]

i just shoot everthing

as basic as it sounds

let my teammate handle the melee

[austere mica]

The mk6 knife bestows great power apon its bearer, but also a deadly curse

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[merry oak]

drip or drown?

[fading yarrow]

4490

[austere mica]

Decided to just actually empty all my shotgun ammo at the end of a mission when running weapon spec

I had borderline 100% accuracy I just never thought to empty my ammo

Now its just these things

[midnight totem]

drip

[austere mica]

Long Bomb my beloathed

[midnight mesa]

beautiful

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[junior needle]

I will consider it when I return from the bathroom

I have considered it and decided I am still very bored of this game

[supple stag]

Get grenade tinkerer, will make your life easier on this

[oblique totem]

I am up for a game

Oh. Guess I'm a bit late on that. Whoops.

[midnight totem]

bout an hour late lol

but I will probably go for another round

[dim niche]

take care everyone ill be back in 2 years

thank yall for your support and carrying the various matches wiuth your leadership means a lot

I must go now

The Imperium would be nothing without the Guard

[fading yarrow]

Pardon me, I'm extremely confused atm

I just did Excise Vault on Auric Damnation and didn't get the Penance completion for it

[austere mica]

Did you join mid game

[fading yarrow]

Yeah but I joined an AuDam Consignment Yard at the end of the game earlier today and still got the Penances

[austere mica]

I like how AuDamn is a grammatically correct way to refer to auric damnation

Because Au is the chemical symbol for gold

[midnight totem]

jesus that auric team sucked

[faint beacon]

The hell happened

[midnight totem]

what happened was, 3 players in a team and I had to kill every single goddamn rager, crusher, gunner, shotgunner, mickey, dog, and mutie that came our way and we would've done better if it was me and 3 bots

so they died during a rush and spawned fucking 5 huge ass rooms away

[faint beacon]

So effectively played solo

[midnight totem]

I stabilized but could not rescue them

[faint beacon]

Reminds me of last night except the team wasn’t bad at all they were good they just got fucked over extremely hard and I joined in at the right time

Had to solo a horde, 1/2 HP Plogryn with Tox bombers buffing everything and Tox flamers rushing in as well

I managed the clutch after like a solid 2 minutes of running in circles and then needing to run 50+ms to save em

[midnight totem]

they just weren't good. no game sense, didn't use the environment, advanced through the open against swarms of gunners, etc

[faint beacon]

Joke build wise I’ve honestly subtly learned how useful keep their heads down is as a talent for fucking over shooters and gunners

[midnight totem]

suppression is great

[faint beacon]

The gunner immediately cowering in fear the moment one small auto gun round whizzes by his head

[fading yarrow]

I've been wanting to hit 4500 by completing an AuDam Penance but I think I'm just going to do Mission Penances as a cooldown victory lap instead

Been having bad luck with teammates

Failed an Ascension Riser run near the end about ten minutes ago because our Psyker and Zealot just kept dying

[mighty anvil]

if y'all need someone who isn't a shitter for auric maelstorm just at me.

[hardy comet]

i vote drip

[faint beacon]

Zealot

Dying?

How is all I ask lmao

I say it’s a stereotype for psykers to be incredibly prone to going down but… Zealot?

[frank ether]

getting caught is usually how

even for that a zealot is more likely to survive a dog pound than any other class

[fading yarrow]

I honestly don't know, I was preoccupied with sticking by our Ogryn and getting my Toughness destroyed by Poxer lovetaps

[faint beacon]

If you’re playing Veteran do you take Iron will in your builds like

At all

Ever

The Talent

[fading yarrow]

I also don't know on that count, either; haven't checked the Talents on the build I've been using for a while, but it's been working all day up until tonight

Krak, Voice of Command, Focus Target, Field Improv, and I believe all of the grenade Talents on the level of Grenade Tinkerer but I'm unsure

And I was actually about to say that I'm gonna be looking for an AuDam-specific Vet build, because while my current one works with a good team, it has horrible survivability even with VoC up every 15 seconds or so

All Toughness Curios with Gunner, Gunner, Sniper and Ability Regen

[frank ether]

always for voc and infil builds kinda because of pathing reasons and also its the most logical TDR node

honetsly voc is strong enough that you'd be fine without it

[faint beacon]

Imo it’s almost just a needed talent though you can get away with not running it if you’re aware constantly

[frank ether]

I mean I don't neccessarily enjoy running with no TDR or something to fall back on when I make a mistake

so when trying to do things like

out for blood speed aura memes

you kinda go down there anyways for other value nodes

[faint beacon]

Terrifying barrage on your Brauto cause I hate you

[weary peak]

https://tenor.com/view/blissful-malevonence-gif-10192619856801101589

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cat-crunch-emote-crunch-emote-gif-5506737341963771034

[proud marsh]

at lvl 15 now, things are way more fun now with the voice of command thing

[crimson pebble]

Another has fallen to evil

[frank ether]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

I just don't enjoy the other two ults

[faint beacon]

Okay bud that’s it, Brauto Exe MF build for you

[frank ether]

no please

I'm sorry

[proud marsh]

it's harder than soyker bc I have fewer crutch options, but I'd say it's more rewarding

[faint beacon]

It’s too late

[faint beacon]

See the difference is you’re actually playing the game with melee combat

[proud marsh]

I've never tried the others, someone told me to get voc so I did

[faint beacon]

I hope you are at least

[faint beacon]

Try out the others eventually

[proud marsh]

yeah, I have to actually aim too

[faint beacon]

They’re all good minus Exe

Mainly cause it’s the weakest of them

It’s still good

Just taxing on points to make good

[frank ether]

its that time again

which mark of brotato should I use

[faint beacon]

Okay hear me out

Grauto

Your choice of whatever

Perks Blessings idgaf

But you specifically have to take keep their heads down

[frank ether]

ghfkdhhj

oh no

[faint beacon]

Just let me cook

Okay

[frank ether]

alright I'll start cooking

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iBsni9o4jI7IjSsHh/d1337WXuobx5?invite=cr-MSxqb04sMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Here’s said build before I refined it early this morning

So this is not optimal but I still topped scored

[frank ether]

they added a laser to the mod? Thats wild

[faint beacon]

Yeah, I got fed up

With veteran not having a stubber

So I made it myself

I kinda learned MF kinda works on it

Like… really well

For some reason

[frank ether]

I mean, Idk about MF but exe is pretty good for brautos

one unholy combo I really want to try is Exe-WS but it doesn't work afaik

[somber axle]

You just swap to your ranged weapon manually to trigger the ranged attack speed buff

Then hit Exe Stance

[faint beacon]

Again I’m going to stress it’s mandatory as a useable joke build to take “Keep their heads down”

[somber axle]

If you're on your melee weapon and hit Exe Stance for the auto swap that may be the weird thing preventing them from working together

[faint beacon]

It’s hilarious just spraying into a horde and forcing gunners or shooters to immediately cower near them

[frank ether]

hmm

[faint beacon]

Fucking cook

Lmao

[frank ether]

I have one like this on zealot too, honestly this isnt even that bad of a weapon

what I struggled to make work on vet was autopistol in the end, really fun no zealot, kinda couldnt get into it on vet

[faint beacon]

It’s

I feel like onslaught would give it a singular use

But it’s so

Painfully mediocre

[wise jackal]

Pistols in general are kinda mid

Now if only you had a second holster for another one...

[frank ether]

nah, thats just the autopistol

honestly its not even that bad on zealot

[faint beacon]

That’s the light variant iirc as well

They have two other variants in the back burner where both you can ADS

[wise jackal]

Despite the variety of weapons in this game I often get way more bored of the weapon selection here than in vt2

[faint beacon]

Ones auto slow ROF and the other is a 5 RB

[frank ether]

yeah I agree ranged weapons could use better variety

[faint beacon]

Either drop those Auto variants

[wise jackal]

I went in for almost a thousand hours in vt2 playing the default weapon selections, never had a problem with em

[faint beacon]

Or buff that shitty pistol

[wise jackal]

There is a lot of stuff that needs either an overhaul or a buff

[faint beacon]

Also can we like please have a SI Handgun that isn’t a revolver I beg

[frank ether]

well after half a year of vet chat losing their mind over it we have enjoyable recons

[wise jackal]

Most of the non power blade weapons need something

[frank ether]

nah, they're mostly fine

what I need is heavy swords and dueling on veteran

so I can go full blender mode

[woeful ibex]

Holy shit

Auric Loot

[faint beacon]

With how much time I’ve dumped into the game I can confidently say the only things certain and I mean certain weapons need are small tweaks.

Outliers being AutoPs and maybe Brautos?

[wise jackal]

In general I want more two handed weapons on vet

[faint beacon]

I need to play Brauto more

[woeful ibex]

Thank you Emprah

[faint beacon]

Give it my judgement

[wise jackal]

So I can complete my kruber cosplay

[frank ether]

try them on zealot, and autopistol too

your view on them changes a lot once you do

[faint beacon]

But seriously HHAs the only one that needs “help”

Is ironically the one I main

It’s just it’s Jank recoil pattern

Agri IX

[wise jackal]

I mean, zealots two handed swords feel kinda mid

[frank ether]

agri HH has some jank recoil

[wise jackal]

Or maybe I'm just usirthem wrong

[faint beacon]

What are you trying to kill with them

Cause they’re fucking insane for Horde Clear

But they have REALLY goofy combos

Ex HS7 Is Heavy + Special spam

[wise jackal]

I feel like they might struggle in mixed hordes

[frank ether]

tutel sword my beloved

[faint beacon]

Deathblow + Head taker

Aim head level

Alt F4 said horde

[frank ether]

Fatfish

give me heby sword on vet

and I will feed you

[faint beacon]

Deathblow is just fancier BM btw

[wise jackal]

I'm also partially annoyed it does like no armor damage

[faint beacon]

That’s it’s Gimmick but special is its armor pierce option

Blades aren’t meant to perform well against Carapace

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember doing a dumb Shredder Autopistol Exe Stance Weapon Specialist build and using talents to set it up for killing Crushers but it didn't do it nearly as effectively as a lot of other weapons. It was more just for the fun factor of pushing it to do it

[wise jackal]

Like I'm fine with mid armor damage, I like the 1h axes in this game

[somber axle]

It worked well in the few Auric Damnation quickplay runs I did with it

[wise jackal]

But I wish blades did better armor damage

[faint beacon]

Taxes are pinnacle balanced

Imo

Caxes are extremely fucking strong

But it’s literally because of BM

[frank ether]

carapace is like the only armor class that somewhat matters atm I guess

[wise jackal]

Caxes?

[frank ether]

given how much of a joke flak is

[faint beacon]

Combat Axes

Tactical axes = Taxes

[frank ether]

but funnily enough claw struggles with flak

which some see as a problem but to me it feels like some distinction is good at times

[faint beacon]

It’s not terrible

You just wind up heavies on scab shooters

[wise jackal]

Shovels are a little problamatic

[faint beacon]

If it’s any bruiser

[wise jackal]

Especially vets

[frank ether]

its workable, hasn't stopped me from obsessing over dc7

[wise jackal]

That stagger is too generous

[faint beacon]

You might be using them wrong if you’re saying they’re weak

[wise jackal]

I'm saying there far from it

[faint beacon]

If not they’re

Like

[wise jackal]

They are good

[faint beacon]

They’re balanced

On the more good end of balance for strong reliable weapon

Remember the thing holding it back is

It doesn’t have BM

It can’t instantly kill 4 bruisers in one swing

[wise jackal]

I mostly have a problem with vets shovels very generous stagger on special

[frank ether]

I dont like the way folding works but its less bad for the game than power sword lol

[faint beacon]

I hate to say it

A lot of weapons do that

Taxes

Fucking do that to mutants

The dinky little bash

Yeah it stuns mutants

[frank ether]

are you talking about the standard shovel's special stagger?

or general heavy attack staggers?

[wise jackal]

I like that it stuns ragers for a split second

On axes

[faint beacon]

I use DC4 with SkC and Rampage

[wise jackal]

There is some skill in that because of how fast the recovery is

[severe gale]

dueling swords get it too

[faint beacon]

Just cause it feels nice mowing through hordes with it

[frank ether]

I have one like that too, Idk what ways to trigger SkC without VoC though

[faint beacon]

Simply slicing them triggers a stack

[wise jackal]

With most of my often played classes I often default to a double barrel or kickback

[severe gale]

pushes proc a stack too

[faint beacon]

Like they get staggered from being sliced so if the first swing doesn’t kill them THE SECOND WILL

That and parry procs it also

[frank ether]

this was my first decent claw7

[faint beacon]

That’s

A carbon copy of my DC4

[frank ether]

its pretty fun

[wise jackal]

It took me a long time to realize you can only change you weapon stats twice

Made me unreasonably upset

[faint beacon]

Sept 26th

[frank ether]

^

[wise jackal]

😁

We can finally get that shit behind us

And get real content

[faint beacon]

Sitting on this cause brunt did me a favor

[wise jackal]

I notice it's not that hard to get a roll nowadays

[frank ether]

What I'm not sure is if the lock removal will affect previous weapons

I swear I read about this but forgor

[severe gale]

it will

[frank ether]

like will this update unbrick my old weapons

if so I am sooo set

hang on let me bring up a zarona

[faint beacon]

I believe they stated old weapons will have their locks lifted

[severe gale]

all weapons will have locks removed and a potential to reach 380 power

[wise jackal]

Having certain weapons only use certain blessings is just really stupid

They clearly were annoyed when vt2 players only used swift slaying

[faint beacon]

I realize the meta is going to change a bit

Just cause well easier to obtain weapons now

[wise jackal]

Hopefully this means more buffs

[faint beacon]

Praying I see more creative builds though

[wise jackal]

Maybe we'll get a good tham?

Right guys?

[severe gale]

stam block effeciency flesh tearer lacerate knife

[faint beacon]

Flechette being buffed 🙏🙏🙏

[wise jackal]

Give ogryn something other than a pipe and some rocks?

[frank ether]

this was the first knife I ever rolled

[faint beacon]

Tier 1 Flechette being 6 stacks of bleed

Goes up to T4 btw

[frank ether]

someone was saying lacerate-uncanny is OP

[faint beacon]

Dorn iirc says it’s good to run

[frank ether]

I might give it a shot but I think I prefer mk6 to mk3 lol

mk3 is a bit... spammy

but probably better for bleed build

[severe gale]

it’s not

[faint beacon]

I think it’s cause uncanny actually effects the bleed stacks of Lacerate

Something like that?

[severe gale]

lacerate isn’t as good compared to flesh tearer

they are directly conflicting with each other

[grand perch]

Lacerate is a meme. Bleed does do more damage with more rending, but you should go for mercy killer and use the talent for bleed instead

[severe gale]

one relies on weakspots, one relies on not hitting weakspots

[faint beacon]

I’d rather lacerate being serrated blade 2 electric boogaloo tbh

Cause like if you’re running knife

You should be aiming for the head

[severe gale]

ideal vet knife is uncanny mercy killer

[frank ether]

Honestly I've just been running mercy killer-uncanny instead on a mk6 which was my entry into knife playstyle

the lacerate knife just sat there untouched because I didnt feel like using it

[faint beacon]

Uncanny FT tbh

[severe gale]

on vet ?

[faint beacon]

Recip talent

[severe gale]

not high enough consistent crit chance

mercy killer lets you kill armor really fast

[grand perch]

That

[faint beacon]

That or you do the full blown meme build

FT + Recip and the Talent

[frank ether]

I think melee perks blessings sometimes apply to grenades but what I want to know is if the bleed from shredders and serrated blade also gets buffed from uncanny

[faint beacon]

With serrated

[grand perch]

I don't know but it's very plausible

[severe gale]

any DoT applied by you will get buffed by uncanny

so it applies to soulblaze and burn as well

as long as you have the melee weapon out with stacks of uncanny up

[frank ether]

the downside to this build is that I get royally fucked by talent tax nodes

taking shredder and then traveling all the way right for serrated

to enable mercy

[faint beacon]

That’s the thing plush

[severe gale]

vet tree moment

[faint beacon]

You don’t

You take smokes

[frank ether]

ooh I gotta play knife psyker but the thought of touching psyker gives me a slimy feeling lmao

[grand perch]

If he's planning on using shredder for bleed that won't do

[severe gale]

psyker is fun

||more fun than vet||

[frank ether]

It is, I mainly play gunker

Its kinda what I wanted out of exe veteran

[severe gale]

oh

stinky

[frank ether]

:3