veteran-class

[faint beacon]

Uncanny strike is extremely powerful so I cant blame you

[unique orchid]

Dont exceed 100% heat

[faint beacon]

Infil abuser okay you might be able to make a Tinkerer Smoke nade build with regen

its more so you gotta worry about point tax on vet

thats our Achilles Heel

[unique orchid]

Do NOT overcharge the plasma rifle the hazardous roll isnt worth the extra pen and damage

[blissful idol]

i see you get the psyker treatment lol

[unique orchid]

Its kinder than vermintide, you went over 100 in that game you were literally cooked, no grace period

[spark helm]

Meh, tax is a suggestion to me. I build with intent so for me, there's less of a tax and more of a rearrangement of how I'm going to be pushing myself.

The fun of this game for me is exploring just how many options I can use and how far I can push them.

As long as my experience doesn't basically have me fighting with my own equipment over the scenarios being thrown at me, I'm fine with doing damn near anything tbh.

[spark helm]

I'm thinking something like infil tinkerer focus regen on combat stealth and bardin revive saves. Everything else is just my steez with weapons. I like playing on death gambles a lot.

[blissful idol]

ive got a 346 with 79% damage but 49% thermal resist
lets just say id take 79% thermal resist and 61% damage over that any day

[spark helm]

Granted the issue with the revive perk is if the team is stable but I like it anyway.

My main headcanon for my vet is that she's actually a hard softie that just wants to get people out of shitstorms. Clutch expertise 😛

[faint beacon]

Agile Engagement

absolutely pick that up

[spark helm]

That's the one that gives Stam regen on sprint right?

[faint beacon]

especially if you're gonna do a WS keystone

no no

One second

[spark helm]

Or am I thinking of something else.

[unique orchid]

Im not too fond of the stealth in DT, but i will concede it does have use
Im far more of a "no enemy, no problem" mindset

[spark helm]

I think that's a zealot perk nbm

[faint beacon]

I use this on my fucking HHA build that uses WS

and its stupid

Right side of the tree as well right under smokes

[spark helm]

Oh yes, this the premiere weapon swap accelerant. Cool.

[faint beacon]

I feel like its a no brainer

unless you're doing knife

in which go for serrated instead

But AE is more fun imo

[unique orchid]

I used it when i used the bistol, took it out for a single shot, hipfire sniped a special, went back to whacking

[last parcel]

*mercy killer knife

[faint beacon]

True

[spark helm]

That's why I usually ran it.

I liked the ws quick swap execution loop when it was originally added.

[faint beacon]

Oh

OH

I NEED TO SEND A CLIP

[spark helm]

What's that shotgun that goes heavy horizontal and just cuts through hordes?

[oblique totem]

The real mercy is not having to see a knife main

[faint beacon]

So you know this little thing here on WS

[spark helm]

Lawbringer? Or is that the slug shottt.

[faint beacon]

I got one better

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9H5uD1PdEyVeTyAf/d1337ozIJphV?invite=cr-MSxoSGUsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

DB is so damn stupid

[spark helm]

Yep there it is mhm. Big fuckin doinks.

Ws was always dope, was a shame that a lot of people slept on it at the time.

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-laughter-doom-laugh-zoom-gif-17636231

[faint beacon]

Double barrel has no fucking range but it just shits on anything remotely infront of you

Always prepared DB is like a must

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9q7IyVfgUvpR4_N7/d1337ixeWdKG?invite=cr-MSwyMzYsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

also here's some horde clear with it lmao

[spark helm]

Which shotgun was that? I know there's like three or four vets get.

[faint beacon]

New one

from the most recent content update

[last parcel]

ironhelm assault

[spark helm]

There's the slug one, some fire one, another one

[faint beacon]

Ironhelm

mines edited

But its literally a double barrel

also Loyalist Moebian 6th outfit was added april if you complete your penances

Which im wearing in said image

[somber axle]

Lawbringer

Kantrael also has a special shot that goes horizontal but it's more about the fiery dot it applies and less about making everything explode violently

[faint beacon]

Infinite Cleave Dragon's Breath

[somber axle]

Agripina is the slug shot for pin point accurate high damage armour piercing shots that can stagger a Bulwark by shooting into the shield with a single shot

Double Barrel isn't going to harm anything at medium range but anything in melee to short range will become red mist

Lawbringer and Agripina standard shots are ok at medium to long range

[orchid hemlock]

this cant be real

[somber axle]

Kantrael has higher spread and struggles at long range elite/special deleting but it is still solid to medium ranges

[gilded wraith]

Running antiarmor with this Columnus, should I change 5% crit to 25% carapace?

[faint beacon]

Locked, cant right now

[orchid hemlock]

why would u ever put carapace on collumnus?

[radiant chasm]

i mean you can. but

you'd need a ton of rending

[faint beacon]

but 26th I mean you could?

Actually onslaught talent

or rending strikes

[radiant chasm]

or both

[faint beacon]

preferably rending strikes

[uncut pebble]

Why not both?

[faint beacon]

OR BOTH!

[radiant chasm]

i don't think ciag hits carapace

[orchid hemlock]

unless u have 20% or above rending, you will do piss damage to them

[radiant chasm]

yea CIAG carapace ADM is 0.07 (7%) at all ranges

[orchid hemlock]

crit is fine, u can also go flak

because the collumnus already melts thru unarmored targets

[gilded wraith]

currently onslaught and rending strikes

[radiant chasm]

yea simply put it's not a carapace weapon like, onslaught+rending strikes

if you are doing piss damage still, changing perk own't help

just go elites

or get kraks or get a melee that can handle armor

[orchid hemlock]

tbh i think onslaught is better than MF rending

[somber axle]

NICE. Is that with CitA?

[orchid hemlock]

but again I would never put onslaught on the collumnus

[radiant chasm]

MF rending is always skippable

[oblique totem]

That is some impressive damage output

[radiant chasm]

i mean, it's not useless for far engagements vs flak and unyielding. but yea i never go it either

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VId gets so hilariously strong with more rending

[faint beacon]

They seriously need to make that one more interesting

[orchid hemlock]

i generally don't like MF, unless you have god aim

[somber axle]

This might be the strongest anti-crusher set up on Vet LOL

[radiant chasm]

MF should just behave like a buff you get on weakspot kill

[faint beacon]

MF is good

[radiant chasm]

but decays quickly

[faint beacon]

its just

ugh..

[radiant chasm]

(but one stack at a time)

it's the tryhard keystone

[faint beacon]

rending on 10 stacks is yucky

[somber axle]

That's a fair tradeoff tbh

If the Recon Mk VId ends up somehow stronger than the CIAG the Devs may attack it

[radiant chasm]

but it's too complex and people end up misusing it by crabwalking/standing still the whole mission and getting wreckde

[somber axle]

MF after the buff to duration is so much easier to stack and maintain

[radiant chasm]

yea it's stupidly strong

[somber axle]

But yeah it's adding the fun mechanic of juggling stacks during fights LOL

[radiant chasm]

it's just, a lot more effort when you can instead, press tag

[somber axle]

I can understand why some may dislike the juggling but as a clown I love it

[radiant chasm]

if they simplified it a bit, made it like DD where it's a buff you have to maintain, and get rid of the crabwalking/standing still

[faint beacon]

Personally everything about MF I like

I dont like how little that rending is and wished it was something else completely

[feral granite]

heard

[uncut pebble]

I'm gonna have to throw the ironhelm above plasma.

Just for the sole purpose of total horde deletion at the press of a button without needing shredders.

Ok, that isn't that much of an issue, short of snipers, imo.

Everything else gets close enough that the ironhelm will kill them in one weapon spec blast.

Sometimes, even through another target.

Like I can have several maulers be blocking a trapper and still kill the trapper through them.

[orchid hemlock]

is it bad that I prefer the Rashad over the PS?

[crimson pebble]

It is better

[radiant chasm]

not at all

[midnight totem]

power sword needs talents

-offended-

gotta get that serrated

[last parcel]

hell yeah it does

[midnight totem]

anyway, power sword has some subtle breakpoints

[feral granite]

Is it possible to make the combat knife overpowered in malice/heresy missions?

[midnight totem]

enough damage or weakspot for an umpowered pushstab to kill a dog, for example

or one shot a rager of either type

or oneshot a shotgunner with a light

or a gunner

combat knife is one of the strongest melee weapons, period

[feral granite]

Oh it is? Hm ok

I rarely use it, so i wouldn't know too much. Except for the last time i used it in a heresy lobby

[orchid hemlock]

really? I use it in no investment builds for melee and it seems to still do fine

[tall torrent]

rashad needs some investment for breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

so what is the best melee weapon for no investment on the right side of the tree?

[tall torrent]

power sword

6

[lavish token]

it is bad!

the plasma only user said so!

[tall torrent]

who that

[last parcel]

is that the one who called you good boy

[lavish token]

the one who said I couldn't solo kill a horde with a knife in under 30 seconds

[midnight totem]

Well, its easier to list the weapons that can't get by without investment on the right side of the tree

rashad combat axe

thats it

[tall torrent]

too many people are just horribly misinformed

[midnight totem]

all other melee weapons are workable to some extent or the other without any input from the melee orientated nodes

although I personally wouldn't use a power sword without attack speed, or folding shovel without melee damage, finesse and crit

its worth it, trust me

but I use every aspect of a power sword, not just the lights or pushstab, or powered attacks only

[frank basin]

Give zealot power sword and I’ll ravage entire block Tertium

[midnight totem]

because I oneshot ragers and muties with it

[frank basin]

The pushattk vs the heavy

[midnight totem]

and I oneshot gunners too

[near sable]

thrice blessed

[midnight totem]

both kinds

I don't

only on a crit light, maybe I can oneshot gunners

my regular powered lights oneshot shotgunners

80 damage, 75 finesse, relatively decent

I run elite/manic

no wait, yes I one shot shotgunners with lights, but regular gunners I can one shot with heavies

anyway, the heavy swing has a great deal more cleave and is better for mixed hordes with ragers in it

and like I said, I also oneshot muties

[frank basin]

That’s goes maximum against naked ragers

[midnight totem]

wierd, I always kill more with a heavy swing

bm

[frank basin]

Does that work on charged attack?

Double the damage?

[midnight totem]

anyway, I gave you the reasons I sometimes use heavy swings with power sword

one shot gunners, ragers, and muties

Might not be good reasons for you, but they're useful to me

well I'm not taking skirmisher of all things on my way to weapon specialist

[elder fiber]

give vet hsword

[midnight totem]

I want power fist for vet

[little nova]

hey does anybody wanna party up and do some missions

[frank basin]

#vox-lfg-lexicanum here ya go

Places has bunch of lfg people asking for run

But not here right now

[little nova]

thank you

[frank basin]

The zealot dueling sword would compete against the knife

[lean light]

You guys aren't thinking big enough

We have 2 hands but only 1 melee weapon?

Dual wield.

[frank basin]

melta sword

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/monsoon-metal-gear-gif-24228698

[frank basin]

melta sword when

[lean light]

https://tenor.com/view/two-swords-zuko-avatar-the-last-airbender-atla-gif-9979036102845233108

I need

I need the bolt pistol and chainsword commisar mega combo

Instead of revving you just hipshot the pistol

[frank basin]

Commissar style

[lean light]

Speaking of commisats

We have Laspistols and Boltpistols now

Wheres the plasma pistol

[frank basin]

Traitor captain has it

I modify extend barrel on boltgun

Make it go further in few 3m

[lean light]

Me at the next assassination mission I'm on

[lean light]

WRONG! make it shorter

More spread less range actually

[midnight totem]

Power Fist for Vet, Crusader Sword and Shield for Zealot, Psykers get nothing because they're freaks, Ogryns get the one weapon they've always wanted

Their fists

[lean light]

Give psykers flying for no reason.

It'll be funny

Not controlled they just start floating randomly ofc

[midnight totem]

When they least expect it. Ot when they're at high peril it gets assigned to a random button

[crimson pebble]

All pysker should explode at the start of the match for their sins

[lean light]

W key replaced with send to low orbit

[lean light]

They already do it's called bolter enforced morale boosting

[frank basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1147682450613489684/image.png?ex=66d65193&is=66d50013&hm=0c5a5a6bdbc7f0de95eedd3e6c83c8e00446961b7be9fcc2942786f7bc3c1dd7&

[fossil basalt]

"I'm not dead! SPLENDI-"

[elder fiber]

also they got rending outside of ult, unconditional dmg buffs, better anti armor options

ig you listed half those already but idk I'm tired lol, can't sleep b/c health issues

[uncut pebble]

"Yet."

[tawny badger]

bullpup it

[crude fiber]

Psyker double jump would be pretty neat ngl

[junior ingot]

Psykers with Fly/Double Jump:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gMd72fcpBTk?feature=share

[crude fiber]

Jumping over mutants, saving yourself from walking off a ledge, jumping up to hit over a bulwark shield. Might let you skip certain parts of maps tho

[wide pike]

Nah give us rock sling

Or just buff his damage

[shadow aurora]

A blitz thats just a teleport would be sick

[delicate hornet]

whats the recommended setup for a rashad combat axe?

[junior vortex]

I've got a colomnus 5 with dum dum T3 on melk shop...should I get it just for that blessing...don't have T4 yet

[delicate hornet]

depending on whether its a good base or not, taking the blessing will add to mastery for itemization update regardless

[junior vortex]

Just for blessing

The weapon stats are alright except stomping power which is 40

[shadow aurora]

I believe its bm headtaker flakiac

I dont use rashad much though so dont quote me

[weary acorn]

Hey guys, was there a bug with stamina curios involvling their rating stat?

[shadow aurora]

I knew it was one of the curios dont know which one

If it was at a certain rating itd say it was higher than it actually was

[weary acorn]

well all i remember about the bug was that it would say +3 stamina, but if the base rating wasn't a certain number or higher it'd instead give 2 even though it said 3

[lavish token]

75 rated -+3 staminas are +2

[weary acorn]

thats the one

ty

means my stamina curios are actually good

whew

[old prism]

This is only true half of the time, it’s because of the hidden integers you can’t se

I have a 75 stam curio with +3 actual stam

[lavish token]

General rule of thumb

[old prism]

I also have a curio with 75 rating with only +2 stam

You need to check in psykanium

[normal sparrow]

You might want to check it in actual game bc my 3 stamina 75 rating curio shows up as 3 stam in psyk and 2 stam in actual game

[frank ether]

ah cool time to purge my sus curios

[rigid mulch]

Imagine if we got a power fist

[candid agate]

ogryn deserves it most

[warm harbor]

Veterans where do I find the golden mark ability in the talents?

[heavy rover]

Focus Target, Middle keystone talent

[warm harbor]

It’s the middle purple one right?

[heavy rover]

yeah

[warm harbor]

Aight thanks I’m doing an assassin build

[tame lodge]

Voice of Command with the Duty and Honor modifier

Plus Focus Target

For the golden experience

[warm harbor]

Maybe another time

For now

I’m more of a lone operative

[tame lodge]

looks inside
team utility

Have fun out there

[gusty pike]

What's the meta gun this time?

[tame lodge]

Plasma
Columnus V autogun
Zarona

[gusty pike]

Ciag? Zarona?

[tame lodge]

Zarona is the Revolver

[gusty pike]

oh

[tame lodge]

There's also Agripina Revolver, you don't want that since it's not meta

[gusty pike]

I don't like the feel of the plasma gun

[tame lodge]

So pay attention to not buy the wrong revolver

[gusty pike]

I've be using lasguns

[heavy rover]

Ever since the recon lasgun buff I've been enjoying the mk vii recon with the Deadshot talent

[gusty pike]

I’ve been using the Kantrael MG IV Infantry Lasgun

And the Acadia Assault Chainsword

Are they not good weapons?

[tame lodge]

They are decent

Chainsword 4 is top 3 melee weapons iirc

[fossil basalt]

My face is top 3 melee weapon, judging from all the explosions and bone shards

[gusty pike]

What’s considered the best melee weapon

[drowsy aspen]

Power Sword is crazy on Vet

[tame lodge]

Specially the mk6

[drowsy aspen]

I've found Heavy Sword, Mk. 5 Shovel, all pickaxes, and the Power Sword are among the absolute strongest

The Shock Maul is probably the strongest shared among classes imo

...I don't have numbers on most of these

This is one man's vibe-based take

[trim hemlock]

Rashad combat axe is also a very solid generalist choice

[delicate hornet]

knives are typically considered up there also, not the best outright dps (still very respectable) but they have the best mobility which will keep u alive in many ways

[lethal dew]

should i put thrust on this?

[delicate hornet]

itll probably let u hit a new breakpoint on crushers but worth testing in psyk

[gusty pike]

I love shovels are a thing in this game too.

[faint beacon]

Yeah change Deci to thrust and Crit to flak

Got yourself a silly shovel

[tame lodge]

Why? Should I say that Psword3 is at 2.5

[umbral scaffold]

3

[candid agate]

is twinned blast good for krak grenades?

[umbral scaffold]

for krak, no

for everything else, no

[tame lodge]

10% chance of being good 💀

[delicate hornet]

its rarely a good pick compared to demolition stockpile or demolition team

[candid agate]

ok thanks guys

might change it on my frag grenades build as well then

[tame lodge]

20*

Just don't bring kraks there and bring demo team

[candid agate]

getting 50+ kills on hordes with twinned blast has been fun but i suppose i can just use power sword and some maneuvering for that

[tame lodge]

Or you can apply Bleed to everything on the grenade's radius and wither every enemy hit down

[magic trout]

Twin grenades perk is also good pair with +1 grenade perk.
In my experience from 10 grenades i did have 3-5 double

[tame lodge]

Bonus bleed if 2 frags

Enough to soften them up

[magic trout]

Frag is good for horde clear, maniacs but not for crushers, mauler and bulwarks.
Frag is good pair with weapons that have no problem againts armored enemies
Plasma gun, agripina braced, bolt weapons

I forgot that

I prefer plasma because stopping power, recon doesnt have stoping power, in close quartes is good to have something that will stagger them

[midnight totem]

You know what's fun?

[tame lodge]

Right because you bleeding an x amount of enemies (scaling with density) is better than killing 4 enemies

[midnight totem]

Twinned frags with an uncanny weapon

Or twinned frags with lethal prox bolt pistol

[tame lodge]

Nah I know

[midnight totem]

The bleed really does very little

But its the principle of watching blood flow for the bloo- for the emperor

[tame lodge]

It's just the sheer amount of targets hit by frags going hard

[midnight totem]

Oh! Scab only melee maelstrom?

Yes, kraks are superior

[sinful swallow]

Tell me about shockmaul

I haven't gotten around to this weapon yet

[drowsy aspen]

Insane

It's insane

The phalanged one is crazy

Gets great buffs

(With its blessings ofc)

[hollow ibex]

lol wtf happened to recon while i was gone

[drowsy aspen]

Idk about best anti armor but they're great now

BUT

The phalanged shock Maul is amazing

[tame lodge]

Buff + talent interaction

[hollow ibex]

so i noticed

[drowsy aspen]

With Skullcrusher and High Voltage you get to deal insane amounts of damage to whatever you start hitting

It's a very fast weapon with good stagger

The special stuns crushers and bulwarks- while electrocuting and staggering them for your huge damage buffs on followup

And it has insane attack chains

Great hordeclear, pretty great anti-armor

[earnest bone]

In all honesty, i'm not feeling it like this and was disappointed in SMauls, especially with how re-tartedly powerful Pickaxes are, absolutely broken braindead weapons, universal generalist.

[arctic rampart]

From a high level view there's not a lot of ogryns or ogryn weapons they most deserved a good one like pick-axe. And I see tons of other veterans.

[drowsy aspen]

Disagree on the ogryn weapons front

[umbral scaffold]

I maintain that shooting delays are a REAL GAMER PROBLEM and the ogryn machinegun thingies that aren't the achylls would benefit immensely from not having a massive delay if you want to take paced shots at shit

[drowsy aspen]

Agree with this tho lol

Simply the pace of the game makes the Gorgonum hard to use

And the Krourk... well

Doesn't exist

[umbral scaffold]

Also, maybe I'm misremembering

But the achylls can start firing way faster after swapping weapons

It doesn't even finish the brace animation if you RMB and you can already start popping shit

[delicate hornet]

achlys has a stupid fast swap/brace time

im not sure why the others dont have the same tbh considering the achlys pumps out monster dps ontop of it

[tame lodge]

Because Gorgonun is strong

[sinful swallow]

Sick breakdown

So the special, how does it work exactly

Sorry I'm phone posting from work

[gilded wraith]

@formal lake What would you consider a perfect 6d?

[tame lodge]

As of recently

They are just checking your loadouts

You know

The usual

[atomic zephyr]

joined a disastrous game in progress that came out to a victory
watched a zealot take the last heal (while there was another zealot with wounds corrupted), charge into a horde, die because he was hit by two tox bombers and then alt f4ed

on the other hand you will now have to pry the mk4 kantrael from my cold dead hands

[junior needle]

Perfect
Deathspitter
Carapace perk

Is this the hipfire only with onslaught special

[gritty furnace]

Zealots the masters of running blindly into death

[tame lodge]

Faith shields them

Also lore accurate

[atomic zephyr]

the first time I knew things were gonna be rough is when I heard a daemonhost whispering proceeded by a chaos spawn - instead of falling back so we could kill the spawn w/o threatening the DH, they just kept plowing forwards and triggered it

prime zealot moment

but we won so how much of an issue is it really

[old prism]

that doesnt sound right. Psykanium and in game should be the same

here's in game, one stam curio (75) on psyker = 5 stam bars [psyker has 2 base]

same curio in psykanium

the curio itself

[umbral scaffold]

how is your character naked

[old prism]

yes

[umbral scaffold]

🤣

which mod ?

ruh huh illegal mod user..,,.,

😹

[gritty furnace]

Melk is kinda cooking something, it ain't steaks but still

and everything else he's offering is awful

[trim steppe]

This is very good. It's still a tax axe but this is an excellent roll. Definitely pick it up

[gritty furnace]

yk I did

Might as well before update

[trim steppe]

If tac axe ever sees some love in a rework you'll be cookin

[gritty furnace]

I do expect a few weapon tweaks from this update coming tbh

[mental cloud]

I hope they do, I love the taxe. It’s takes a little bit to get used to.

[delicate hornet]

what kind of stat distribution should i look for on a rashad?

[trim steppe]

Rashad is one of, if not the, hardest melee to craft

[delicate hornet]

haha fun times, are they all crucial for breakpoints

[trim steppe]

Yes

[delicate hornet]

i have everything else i wanna play with so 🤷‍♂️

yeah breakpoints can be tragic if they end up doubling ur ttk

[trim steppe]

Yeah literally 8x your performance with a razor thin breakpoint

[delicate hornet]

i tend to play with desperado so itll fit with most my builds

yeah was bouta say it sounds like itd pair better with revolver

im guessing weapon specialist for keystone?

[dreamy spade]

Tf you mean rashad is hard to craft

[delicate hornet]

sounds like a fun playstyle compared to my usual hose everything down or plasma cleave 9000

[dreamy spade]

All you need is bromentum and you're done

[delicate hornet]

this is all very informative ty :)

hopefully itemization will make it easier to roll the rashad but ill keep trying in the meantime x)

spicy

[dreamy spade]

Is that finesse damage blessing?

I'm wondering if the finesse blessing does more damage

[last parcel]

time to roll a thrust shred rashad for no ammo memes

[dreamy spade]

[junior needle]

It also has the best practical stacking, since killing enemies close to you and then getting that bonus for everyone is a much higher uptime. That's how you naturally shoot at enemies.
Assuming you're actually using it at appropriate ranges to stack it and not sitting in the back. It's good to know that power is actually a separate multiplier across the board, somehow I missed hearing that all this time.
Without Headtaker I average 36% crit with Recon. With Headtaker it's only 39-41. A tiny increase for a 32.5% multiplicative dmg scaling bonus.
Very strange, I expected it to be considerably higher.
Recon TTK variance is so high the only perk that meaningfully changes TTK is Unyielding and Carapace.
Probably trading a good chunk of ammo efficiency for that shmeatier ttk on crushers. Subjectively I found maniac or flak to feel considerably more effective overall, likely due to them being significantly more common.

[trim steppe]

yeah weapon spec is amazing. you can reload your revolver while horde clearing by double tapping your weapon swap between swings, and always be ready to kill any specialist that appears while devastating everything around you

[trim steppe]

goddamn. nice one mate

[dreamy spade]

Gunners and stuff

Not always

[junior needle]

I can definitely feel a change in how fast things are going down with flak/maniac vs without, but that could simply be down to me being particularly sensitive to that.

[delicate hornet]

since i moved from HH to deathspitter on recon it certainly feels a lot more punchy

[dreamy spade]

I got revolver for maniac

I might just put monster

[dreamy spade]

Dont use deathspitter

Bro

[delicate hornet]

this was literally just discussed haha

[dreamy spade]

Wdum any range?

Is that a bug?

[crimson pebble]

Is fire frenzy power or dmg

[delicate hornet]

its granted on close range kill, the buff is at any

[dreamy spade]

Yeah but its limit is close range

[trim steppe]

A close kill gives power that works at any range

[dreamy spade]

So it requires to kill close just to get 3.5s grace

Atp you will need to go melee

[junior needle]

I wouldn't quite say the best practical stacking, dumdum has the best stacking since you only need to hit things at any range (and not even stagger like pinning)

[dreamy spade]

The crit blessing has wayyy better synergy with talents

[junior needle]

Yes, but we're talking about stacking

[old prism]

I agree, headhunter isn't as good as people think it is

[trim steppe]

So what's second best blessing?

[dreamy spade]

Where did you get 40% crit from?

[old prism]

(reci, 5 crit node, 5 crit perk)

[dreamy spade]

Reci?

[junior needle]

Close damage is inferior to power (and regular damage) but there's definitely better options than on kill effects in terms of activation mechanics, so it seems strange to me to advertise that as a strong point.

[old prism]

reciprocity, 25% crit chance stackin with dodges

[radiant chasm]

deathspitter+dum dum but then i have to run survivalist /j

[junior needle]

Does reci still have scuffed activation with ranged fire?

[dreamy spade]

The dodge one?

[radiant chasm]

real vets don't dodge, we tank with the face

[delicate hornet]

gunluggers will thank you

[dreamy spade]

Yeah but that requires dodge

[junior needle]

Does it still not work on gunners?

[dreamy spade]

I use if myself but it isnt reliable

[delicate hornet]

reci is very reliable what

[last parcel]

that’s still the case

[trim steppe]

So recon wants 5% crit, carapace, deathspitter, and what?

[last parcel]

i think it’s just sniper

[junior needle]

I'm not sure about carapace personally

Seems like trading general value including broad ammo efficiency for just crusher ttk

[umbral scaffold]

carapace for flak

use your melee or krak against crushers instead of wasting ammo

[junior needle]

Flak is a general damage bonus, is it not?

Why would onslaught change it

[trim steppe]

So second blessing just doesn't matter I take it

[frank monolith]

does onslaught work with shotgun pellets?

[junior needle]

Your flak modifiers on the gun are not bad

I forgot the exact but it's not lower than 75% at close range natively

Is this with buffs active

Because that sounds like buffs active

[crude fiber]

I think it's still per shell, not pellet

[frank monolith]

sadge

[gilded rock]

Just a heads-up that if you use a bloodletter'd chord attack on a mael modifier mutie and detach after the first or second tick, it'll die to the bleed every time 👍 Very helpful

[fading yarrow]

My dumbass wondering why my bistol feels weak:
My completely untampered gun:

What should I slap on this

[crimson pebble]

(Its cooked)

[midnight totem]

Swap point blank for

Surgical, deadly accurate, or puncture

[crimson pebble]

Its ok but you rlly have to juice it up w specific builds

[midnight totem]

Swap ranged crit perk for perk of your choice

Elite, manic, unarmored

[last parcel]

yeah, it’s something like executioner’s stance with red buffs + MF + rending + DA crit + carapace perk

[crimson pebble]

If it has just like a little tiny bit of cleave itd be p nice

[last parcel]

nah i meant the red talent nodes

[crimson pebble]

You can p consistently 1 tap everything that isnt mauler or ogryn type w out even needing exe stance just have to crit max

I like it w focus target

[umbral scaffold]

6/10 untouchable we are so back

[fading yarrow]

Gonna try to find the build for this, sounds fun

[umbral scaffold]

turns out i just have to do sniper ventilation and hunting grounds or low visibility with a flashlight

[last parcel]

something along the lines of this

[opal quiver]

What melee weapons are good for the veteran? I've been mostly running around with a mk7 devil claw for clearing out the squishy horde enemies but it's really not good for anything else. I was wondering which of vets melee weapons can be more versatile

[crimson pebble]

No deadshot

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/847815813300879360/1276072753488855171/smileybeef_-_1824476702992376093.gif

[junior needle]

Not exactly sure what that's supposed to entail, but strictly speaking on equal hp it should be more of a damage gain overall because you are multiplying a bigger base

[last parcel]

it’s 29/30 so go ahead

[junior needle]

So you should get more out of flak with two 2k hp flak targets as opposed to 1 4k hp carapace target with the respective perks

[crimson pebble]

Either the two knives rashad combat axe or mk6 power sword are your meta options

[junior needle]

And you are likely running into a lot more hp of flak generally than carapace

[fading yarrow]

Does Deadshot help? I've got a point leftover

[last parcel]

you need a crit to hit the oneshot so yeah

[crimson pebble]

More crit is always better

[hot canopy]

Veteran either you’re a crit/finesse build or glorified zealot

[crimson pebble]

Why not both

[magic trout]

Power sword is the best options againts everything, rashad for horde clear, knives for survivality, shovel also horde clearer they also can 1tap many elites with the special action, if you want to kill elites with catachan sword you need the mk4 and heavy attacks/parry.
shock maces are also good againts everything and they can stun an enemy, very useful againts ragers.

[marble mantle]

Runts need red stim to be stronk. Hug use red stim to make screen look more angry. Not same.

[terse idol]

Shock mauls aren't good vs everything

Sapper shovels struggle in horde clear more so than the regular shovel I'd say

Alooot of the time you're kinda just spent there knocking over pox walkers on the floor that get staggered

It's good horde control but the regular shovel does it better

Urgh I must break down what you said

Rashad IS good vs everything

(If you meet the pre reqs)

4 shot crusher BP

[elder fiber]

you don't have to break down everything, you can just walk away

[terse idol]

Insane horde clear

Great boss damage

[umbral scaffold]

i dont mean to be anoying but WHY do i have to cary lvl 40s in auric and ruin my penance everytime ?

🫥 genuinely tired

it was impossible to fuck this one up and yet

[magic trout]

Ive bern using the shock with hammerblow and skullcrusher, a ive been killing gunner with 1 -2 hits with the heavy attack

[elder fiber]

shock mauls got notably bad dmg vs unyielding

[terse idol]

I thought the "meta" was basically running things for it to do more damage vs electrocuted targets

If you're running hammer blow and skull crusher wouldn't it just be better to run a shovel

With those

I mean I guess besides the special stun

[elder fiber]

its not a meta weapon to begin with but yeah high voltage and scrusher for dmg, or lightning reflexes if you want instant block in your fps

[terse idol]

I need to roll more shock maul blessings

I don't miind it not being meta

[gilded wraith]

Recommendations?

[terse idol]

There are just betterr blessings to run

[elder fiber]

its perfectly fine on vet b/c they can juice up anti unyielding with other tools

[gilded wraith]

Hadron was evil.

[terse idol]

That's pretty good

At least I think the blessings are pretty good

[junior needle]

Both perks are doodoo for sure, and azrael thinks dumdum/spitter is the best combo on recons.

[elder fiber]

yeah blessings could be better but def change the perks

[gilded wraith]

Blessed be the itemization rework.

[junior needle]

I haven't tested it personally so I cannot give any anecdotes

But if it is correct you could swap a perk and then hh for dummydum

It should be a less aim intensive setup

[elder fiber]

you're gonna get more dmg out of having real perks over swaping blessing

[gilded wraith]

I might try that, probably get seduced by my columnus again though.

[magic trout]

For nore damage yeah, but for ammo economy you needheadhunter

[last parcel]

is this the third time this conversation is taking place here today

[terse idol]

Hmm I thought the same I might push back to say recon las has enough max ammo to gain back ammo

With surv

And ambient ammo drops on the map

[opal quiver]

which of the 2, the mk6 one? and any particular blessings and perks I should get for it?

[junior needle]

So more damage does provide more ammo efficiency, but then it's very hard to track the actual value of HH. Az states he was getting only about a 3-5% overall increase in crit rate with it but that's anecdotal and contaminated with subjective factors.

[magic trout]

Power swords?
Anyone can do, but you want power cycling and rampage or momentun

[gilded wraith]

Will existing weapons that are not 380 have the ability to become 380 under the new system?

[terse idol]

You want the mk6

For the push attack overhead for cruuushers

[junior needle]

rampage is old and busted with cycler/sunder on the menu now, last I checked

[magic trout]

Yes, through gettong experience using it

[terse idol]

And you need pc4

Power cycler 4 is baseline requirement

[opal quiver]

oh, you can do charged push attacks too?

[terse idol]

Ya

[opal quiver]

nice thanks

[opal quiver]

I always struggle getting level 4 blessings tho, is there some sort of secret way to it lol

I always seem to just get 3 when I buy base weapons and upgrade them with plasteel

[junior needle]

Orange upgrades are more likely to have t4's

[opal quiver]

might just wait for the crafting update lol

[gilded wraith]

I've had the best luck with high base value items.

[junior needle]

It's suspected but not confirmed that higher base rating increases your odds of higher tier blessings even in the level 30 range.

So higher base modifiers/upgrading to orange for your best odds

[opal quiver]

just spent like 600K but I got a 380 one lol
now hopefully I get something decent from conscreate

not terrible no?

just need the power cycler now

[midnight totem]

Never

You have been cursed by Hadron

[opal quiver]

ive used up all my luck already probably

[magic trout]

Dont look just at the 380 weapons, some are useless.
You have to prioritize stats over base level

[midnight totem]

Also as 380 weapons go, you have one of the lowest base damage possible on it xD

[opal quiver]

it'll be fine

I'll just wait for crafting update to get a better one

cos I'm tired of spamming buy buttons until I get a decent stat weapon

[terse idol]

I will say

Even for the item rework this is bad I'm sorry

You never want to dump damage

🥺

Also because potentially every weapon will have a predetermined stat distribution already

If yoooou

Have a 380 weapon with bad stats

It'll always have bad stats

You're locked in at 61% damage

[opal quiver]

well I just got powerd cycler 4, will try to get an 80 damage one

[magic trout]

You will getbetter items, just patience.
I was running with 340-360 weapons until this year, now i have many 380 weapons with good stats, even i have 380 perfect weapons.

[terse idol]

I wouldn't sweat it too much rn

If you already have pc4 you're fine

[magic trout]

And pray Emperor for forgiveness 🕯️

[opal quiver]

or I could keep this if its fine, base power isnt too good but at least its not 61% damage

[magic trout]

Thats better

[opal quiver]

I will probably run of dockets lol, had 1.8 mil and spend 600k on just one 380 weapon

at least you get a bit of cashback if you dont fall asleep bartering weapons

[uncut pebble]

There is a 2shot bp floating around somewhere with weapon spec and other buffs.

I think it's max headtaker stacks and weapon spec to 2shot crushers.

Azreal has a video of it.

[magic trout]

Dont spend everything at once.
I do this: just buy 10 items, do a mission and repeat, in this way i got many 370-380 weapons.

[opal quiver]

isnt it just chance based?

[midnight totem]

Technically yes

[opal quiver]

I don't see why not just spend it since I havent crafted anything in ages a accumulated a bunch of materials

[magic trout]

I dont know but this has worked for me

[midnight totem]

But if you account for confirmation bias

Chaos warpfuckery

And the will of the Emperor

[round canopy]

That's perfect

[opal quiver]

WOAH what was that luck

that must be good right?

[midnight totem]

You will get more better weapons then normal

[chrome trellis]

May i ask someone that can help me why, I can't get Graia MK ive Carapace Warden helm? 😭

[magic trout]

On overwarch penance?

[midnight totem]

What penance is that locked behind

[magic trout]

I can help just kill yourself

[chrome trellis]

Non, I finished everything

[midnight totem]

Yes this is good

[uncut pebble]

PC4... I am enraged...

[midnight totem]

Finesse is a bit low but eh, it's more workable then your other weapon

[chrome trellis]

Make every shot count 92% out of 90%
Deadeye 45 out of 5
For The Empeoror (2) 3 out of 3

[round canopy]

Test it vs the 61% damage one. 80% finesse is probably gonna give you more damage

[midnight totem]

Which one you having problems with?

[chrome trellis]

Non!

I only unlocked the body

[midnight totem]

So?

[magic trout]

I did it with bolter, but the easiest way is with lasguns

[chrome trellis]

Revolver is best for it.

[uncut pebble]

For the Emperor 2 has to be fully unlocked for the helmet to be given to you.

Also remember you have to claim the penance.

[chrome trellis]

I did claim

[opal quiver]

I think the damage ones still performs better

[fleet garden]

this is my psword

[last parcel]

try restarting the game

[chrome trellis]

I did 3 times

[uncut pebble]

For the Emperor 2 requires On Overwatch and One in the Chamber to be completed to be claimed, as well. Make sure you have those penances claimed, too.

[opal quiver]

what should I do for perks and should I give it rampage

[uncut pebble]

Leave the blessings alone.

[chrome trellis]

I will just try doing overwatch again.

[uncut pebble]

Perks, I'm pretty sure psword wants flak and carapace, but don't hold me to that.

[last parcel]

if you already claimed it, it’d be better to contact fatshark support

[last parcel]

unnarmoured to elite or carapace
slaughterer to brutal momentum

[chrome trellis]

Anyways thanks for you help guys! ❤️
@violet dock , @last parcel , @swift horizon ❤️

[magic trout]

Also verify files

[uncut pebble]

I forgor about bromentum...

Brain scrampled egg.

[last parcel]

rampage does less than slaughterer which does less than brutal momentum

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

I just want to automate it

The less I have to think about stacking modifiers to achieve a 2 hit bp the better imo

[last parcel]

headtaker is literally just hitting things

[unique orchid]

i caved and got the tempestus scion helmet

[terse idol]

But headtaker AND WS?

[opal quiver]

could unyielding instead of carapace also work or is it not worth using psword for bosses

[terse idol]

[supple stag]

Power Sword does decent damage on bosses

[last parcel]

elite/carapace lets you do the powered push attack + light attack 2 shot combo to kill crushers

[supple stag]

Wouldn't put unyielding really

[last parcel]

and it’s still worth using against bosses without unyielding perk

oh wait somon alrdy sead that lil

[opal quiver]

alr thanks

got brutal momentum too

[last parcel]

aw fucj whar happend ro mt hands

[opal quiver]

time to crush some skulls

[supple stag]

Kraks + Psword does mess up bosses badly so

[opal quiver]

yeah I see it, 2 shots crushers

this thing is gonna be lovely to use

also, do I charge my sword when fighting a horde or is it that overkill

[last parcel]

you basically only use energized attacks on psword

[odd sparrow]

for trash its might not be needed but usually yes you should always be powering your sword

[mortal viper]

Been leveling up and just hit 17 using mkIV chainaxe wich I really like about as much as i like the rashaad but I swapped from the recon lasgun to the shotty and I am not sure it feels good in Malice for me. Possibly due to I dont have any good blessings yet and lose any ability to hit ranged targets. What are some other good ranged weapon combos with the chain axe?

[uncut pebble]

Shotguns got power crept, that's why they don't feel good.

The "good" one is the double barrel.

Combat shotguns just hit like wet noodles now.

Anywho, chaxe can work in a pinch as your anti armor option, so you can run just about anything.

[mortal viper]

ok yeah the build video I watched was almost a year back @uncut pebble

[uncut pebble]

For the autopistol?

[mortal viper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4DGQVu9Ytw&t=822s

was that but its with a shotgun

I have been enjoying the recon lasgun @uncut pebble maybe I will stay with that for now

[uncut pebble]

Recon lasguns are great.

I don't much like the mk6, though.

My preference is the mk7.

[mortal viper]

yeah I have the mk6 not sure I have unlocked the 7 yet

they sound great and feel fun to use

[orchid hemlock]

dude idk I can't seem to get used to PS

ive been trying to use them more in auric runs, but I hate how slow they are

am I just garbo? 😔

[mortal viper]

oh i do have 7 unlocked just got it will try it out

[muted prairie]

honestly, i went from powersword to chainsword in my aurics for just this reason

[hollow ibex]

takes some getting used to, but once you get into the swing of things, it's very good

you'll just be more reliant on blocks

then you might be used to

(and just hacking your way out of shit)

[orchid hemlock]

I prefer the shovel much more, I never liked how chainswords lock you into an animation to skill maulers/crushers

[muted prairie]

i still like the psword, but when facing a horde and one stray strike gets you out of the power cycler combo, just feels bad man

[muted prairie]

funny you say that, i literally just tried the shovel last game. i always thought it was a meme weapon but i noticed it has uncanny strike

it's actually really really good

i'm mentally doing the pros and cons on chainsword vs shovel rn

[orchid hemlock]

it has slow wave clear, but I really like how flexable it is in ccing ragers and headshotting mutants charging at me

[hollow ibex]

well when you're attacking, everything is dying. there's a brief moment of vulnerability when you charge, but block cancel alleviates 90% of that

just watch your flanks and you'll be ok

[mortal viper]

I am still new and I tried the chain sword and did not like it but really enjoy the chainaxe for some reason

its a headshot machine for me

[orchid hemlock]

I dont mind chain axe, but the Combat Axe is just better in every way

[muted prairie]

the chain sword i think is vet's more or less best horde clear weapon, if you slap on wrath

[orchid hemlock]

it's much better on zealot because attack speed is very valuable on the chain axe

[hollow ibex]

laughs in rashad

[muted prairie]

i'm looking forward to the crafting update so i can finally use a decent bromentum caxe. i gave up on rolling for those tasty breakpoints

[orchid hemlock]

also chain axe is very slow, I would prefer a PS

[mortal viper]

@orchid hemlock for me it has not been but I think thats due to not having the blessing needed to make the Rashaad amazing

[muted prairie]

wish i had a good one 😔

[mortal viper]

ive been cycling between the two

[hollow ibex]

well should be easier after itemization rework at least...

[olive vine]

Guys whats the most op vet build out there ?

Also im frustrated because all the other classes are fun except this one

[radiant chasm]

revolver

[orchid hemlock]

any build with VOC

[muted prairie]

plasma voc

[muted prairie]

also valid

[radiant chasm]

every ranged weapon is carryable on vet besides like, bistol and shredder

[orchid hemlock]

VOC is just giga broken on higher difficulty, but that is mostly because executioners is badly designed imo

[radiant chasm]

and iron will bad design

[orchid hemlock]

true, vets are deceptively tankie with it, and VOC just makes u even tankier

[last parcel]

shitloads of tdr for existing

perfectly balanced

[orchid hemlock]

plus Confirmed Kill is such a valuable stacking tool for toughness regen

[muted prairie]

confirmed kill and out for blood, my beloved

[orchid hemlock]

Close order kill is also right above it

if you stay above 75% tough, I would argue u are tankier than an ogryn

[radiant chasm]

it's also knowing how to juggle if needed (besides suckstance

[orchid hemlock]

lit any build that starts off like this u cant go wrong:

[mortal viper]

i will have to try that one I have been working toward this

[muted prairie]

this + grab iron will, any build works

[orchid hemlock]

i would prefer superiority complex over marksman

[olive vine]

was wondering is this plasmas gun any good ?

[orchid hemlock]

oml those unlucky perks 💀

ig reload isn't the absolute worst

[olive vine]

eh i can always roll new ones

[orchid hemlock]

get's hot is really the only "required" blessings for plasma gun

Gloryhunter
Blaze Away

is the other decent blessings, but it isn't the end of the world if you can't replace volatile

those perks need to go tho 💀

just do flak/elite

[olive vine]

gotcha

so keep volatile and replace the perks ?

[orchid hemlock]

however, if you can, I would highly recommend trying to get damage to at least 78%, because the most important part of the plasma gun is to one shot shit

stopping power is also important, but damage is soo important on plasma gun

[orchid hemlock]

yes, that is what I would do

[olive vine]

copy

[olive vine]

like yeah but this is the best gun i have

and i dont like gambling thaaaaat much

[orchid hemlock]

yeah i understand but inn the future, keep an eye on damage/stopping power

because the difference between one or two shotting a target is vital for plasma

[olive vine]

fair

the new gun update is completly gonna redo the weapons meta right ?

[tame lodge]

We hope so

[slim creek]

As long as I can play IAG I am fine

[olive vine]

Good.

i wasnt helbores to be viable again

want

[slim creek]

I've been running the Agripinaa IAG on Auric and it slaps

I hope it can remain doing so

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's the Aiag

[slim creek]

With deadshot, focus fire and Onslaught it can bring down the Crushers that didn't die from my Kraks or soften up for the Rashad

It is a two/three hit kill for the Rashad but a burst can turn a bunch of them into a one shot Rashad heavy hit

I really like using the Agripinaa more than the Colomus

[orchid hemlock]

i feel like even with onslaught, crushers are just a bullet sponge for IAGs

especially since they are not lasguns you can't save ammo

[slim creek]

With focus fire + deadshot, it takes something like 16 rounds or half magazine to deal with them

But I don't use them primaraly on Crushers

[orchid hemlock]

yeah that's a lot of bullets

[slim creek]

Just to either soften them up or pick off a stray Crusher I don't feel like getting close to

[orchid hemlock]

the only gun I would use onslaught with are the recons, just because they are more ammo effecient with shock trooper

too many talents I could be using somewhere else

they also have a much bigger clip size

[slim creek]

True that, I use the Recon Mk VIIa with IV dum dum and IV headhunter

Whenever I feel like not using IAGs

[orchid hemlock]

the nice thing about the IAG however, is that you don't need to invest heavily on the left side of the tree like the lasguns

[slim creek]

But I keep feeling it doesn't have a TTK as high as the Agripinaa

[orchid hemlock]

so I would use the points on the right side and make my melee weapons stronger

sorta like this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cd2f33a-0c28-4fe7-afef-3a716810ec24/meta-gamer-tryhard-xxxxfazeclanxxxx-society-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[slim creek]

I like the vet for the gun play

[orchid hemlock]

a Rashad with good finesse, AS, and crit obliterates crushers

[slim creek]

I tried bolters, revolvers and plasma but none of them feels as good as being able to mow down heretics in a hail of gun or las fire

[slim creek]

Mine usually two taps Crushers

I usually try to mix my weapons

[magic trout]

Could you share your build?
I have a good AIAG wanna try something else

[slim creek]

If my ranged can deal with Elites, then my melee has to be a horde cleaner

[slim creek]

I'll send a DM, I can't post pictures yet

[orchid hemlock]

that's fine, but I'm just saying that IAG arn't the best at taking out crushers

[magic trout]

Thanks

[slim creek]

Yeah, I usually use my melee or kraks for Crushers

I've never felt short on Auric missions on my current built

Even if it isn't DA META!

I can pull my weight and carry if I have to

[orchid hemlock]

also, in maelstroms, saving ammo is extremely important, wasting bullets on crushers with guns that do piss damage means less bullets going into a boss u need to dump damage onto, or to kill key targets like gunners/ragers/snipers

[slim creek]

My focus is usually those enemies anyway

[orchid hemlock]

that's fine, the best players in this game can complete solo runs with no talents and all grey items. But that's doesn't mean it is optimal

[slim creek]

I mostly focus on specialists with my IAGs

Gunners, reapers and the annoying bombers and snipers

Anything that can pin down the team and also shoot those damn trappers before they close in

[orchid hemlock]

what I am asking is just why do you feel that you need to waste soo many talent points for onslaught then?

[slim creek]

But I'd wager that this is what Vet players should be doing

Well, I ran the right side and I figured that Onslaught would help a little with Mauler spam

and occasionally on my fast firing columus, recon las it would weaken them

[orchid hemlock]

maulers can be killed relatively fine with IAG, just make sure u hit the body

onslaught is really just for the crushers

[slim creek]

Yeah, maulers are always body shots

For crushers I fiddled with the shooting range and firing a burst into their heads means I can one tap most with melee

at least it makes hordes of crushers easier to manage

[olive vine]

I just hope the new meta will throw alot of new builds our way

[slim creek]

But then, I usually only fire the IAG at lone Crushers that did survive the krak salvo or that I can't really chase with melee

[olive vine]

Helbore lasgun build once again becoming viable again would make me smile

[orchid hemlock]

wasting time trying to brittle a crusher if you could just start chopping doesn't seem optimal to me, because onsalught resets if you hit another target. So you can't really use it to jungle multiple crushers either

the main reason you use onslaught is to lower the armor so that the gun cna penetrate thru the armor. The rashad already has penetration, so lowering the armor doesn't help improve its damage thta much

[slim creek]

I see

[orchid hemlock]

it's just, even if you save for example one more headshot. It is probably faster, u save ammo, and most importantly: you stun the crusher when you do overheads with the rashad

[slim creek]

Yeah, I still feel like the game doesn't explain much to you and you need to experiment a lot

I usually apply the 10% rending bonus skill

but I barely know if it really makes any difference

[quasi dust]

sign my petition for Born Leader to have allies in coherency replenish 15% of the toughness, regardless if yours is 100% or not

[crude fiber]

I thought I remember seeing one of the nerds say that it did?

[quasi dust]

some nerd told me no a while ago 😦

[last parcel]

this nerd says it does
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094038976

[orchid hemlock]

to me, the strength of onslaught isn't it ability to kill single crushers, but to deal with multiple.

onslaught is very good at picking off a couple crushers before they make it to your front line, however the problem is that only a few weapons can utilize this situation

you need 2 things to do this:

1.) A gun that attacks frequently to proc the brittleness of onslaught quickly
2.) Has a large clip to dump bullets into the massive HP pool crushers have without having to reload

the only guns I can think of that fulfil this requirement are the Recons, and BAGs

[quasi dust]

oh, great resource tyvm

[quasi dust]

my recon build has onslaught and ttk 1 crusher is ~3 seconds

i quite like the build

[maiden wasp]

best vet ults in order in yall opinion?

[tame lodge]

Like

VoC
Infiltrate
Exec

[maiden wasp]

RIGHT??

[tame lodge]

Zoinks scoob

[maiden wasp]

just had an infil plazma vet get toxic w me while outpreforming him with a 1a and exec

[junior needle]

does not spread toughness generated from coherency regeneration
I hate the obesefish

[quasi dust]

i want exec to work for me so bad, but every time i bring it i get doinked on

[maiden wasp]

and his last message was "You're carried by your ult"

bout shit myself laughing

[last parcel]

the fish strikes again

[quasi dust]

i mean voc is the get out of jail free card, not exec

[maiden wasp]

that would cause exponential toughness regen

[maiden wasp]

fr

like i get using it

especially in pubs

but brother

[junior needle]

exponential

[lavish token]

When are you not regening from talents to begin with

[maiden wasp]

was thinking of the wrong skill

srry

[tall torrent]

It wouldn’t matter much lol

[junior needle]

It's the principle of it

Can't just make something that works how it should from the description

[tall torrent]

It’s separate

[maiden wasp]

sweden moment

[junior needle]

It has to have some unclear hidden mechanics for no reason

[quasi dust]

i dont mind it not spreading coherency toughness tbh. im more concerned with the note in the guide saying the talent has a hard time procing

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t matter much unless u run some specific high toughness gain builds

Gloryhunter plasma is the main one

U can actually spread a lot of toughness

[quasi dust]

yeah that is what i was thinking. there are quite a few toughness regenerating talents that i hope would make an impact for my team as well

[tall torrent]

On some builds u can heal like 20~30% of ur teammates’ toughness in 1 kill

[junior needle]

Over 10 seconds

[quasi dust]

damn, yeah i am gonna try for that.

[tall torrent]

No

Its a decent amount upfront then CK over time

But CK has no stack cap

[pliant kayak]

Worth to grab? Don't know much about the shovel

[quasi dust]

id say no tbh

[junior needle]

I'm aware there's upfront, but there's a common tendency of people to look at that and think they're always instafilling on a kill when it happens

Also most people taking that talent aren't going glory/plasma

[quasi dust]

the pen is too low is my main rason for saying that

[junior needle]

It has uncanny

It should be fine, no? Although I guess you want to be equipped to one tap without stacks

[pliant kayak]

What about the blessing worth giving to Hadron?

[quasi dust]

buy it for uncanny

i didnt even realize 😬

[regal smelt]

Update will take your blessings away from you in like 25 days. better put it on a decent shovel before that

[pliant kayak]

Welp

Too late

Hadron just ate it

[midnight totem]

Btw, is new slop this week, or next week?

[regal smelt]

Guess you building for a new shovel now lol

[quasi dust]

the rework will take your blessings in the stickerbook, but if you have a decent amount then youll unlock the t4 anyway and have access to all of them

[orchid hemlock]

PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN

[weary acorn]

How does the dum dum blessing actually work?

what I mean by that is, if you place a dot on something, and it runs out of whatever close range is, does the dot stop benefiting from dumdum?

[candid agate]

just shoot things and dont worry about anything else

[weary acorn]

uh huh... you'll forgive me if I'm not very thrilled with the concept of that idea

[candid agate]

thats my understanding of it and im fine so whatevers good for you

[maiden wasp]

just go proc a dot w dumdum on something in psy and walk away and see if the damage changes

probably won't

[weary acorn]

did just that, turns out if you walk away or are outside of the dumdum effects range, it loses damage

[fading yarrow]

Bugged my Vet into actually holding his gun by quickly switching loadouts and going into stances

It looks so good man

[umbral scaffold]

yeah its fairly easy to do , and honestly makes me think why they didnt just let us wield our weapons in the ending screens

not like it wouldnt work anyway because as proof right there it works

[fading yarrow]

Another quick one

[fading yarrow]

For real

[balmy flume]

If I squint, dude looks like Venom Snake

[umbral scaffold]

does it work with the pistols ? ive never tried it

cause i never go into that screen with the pistols to see

[umbral scaffold]

LOL okay

mhh maybe thats why they dont do that then

but like ugh thy could make it so when you hold the pistol it edits the stance to grip the grip and thats that, just needs a few more checks in codes

[fading yarrow]

Two Stances it does work with

[umbral scaffold]

thoses are gnarly

[muted gorge]

my least favorite part of quickplay maxxing is getting put into a hi intense match for my first match of the day mid match so i dont know it going in

[umbral scaffold]

man i hope they rectify this at some point

[tall torrent]

After 30m, yes

[sinful swallow]

Needs to be feature

[weary acorn]

tyvm

[lyric dock]

The joys of QP. You're being dumped into whatever shit storm is in progress

[jaunty quest]

Best one is dumped into a game which loses immediately. Best waste of time.

[weary acorn]

hey at least they pay you

[faint beacon]

BRUNT

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

[weary acorn]

a 35% mobility autogun?

[faint beacon]

WHO CARES THIS CAN BE MADE A GOD ROLL LMAO

This is a fucking keeper for the itemization

Holy fuck

it might be a 80/60

[weary acorn]

i've got quite a few of those kinds of weapons just waiting for itemization update

[faint beacon]

That gun is literally my main

Im

fucking eating good

[midnight totem]

You know, I've never had it display for me at the end of the game

It's always a lasgun in my pistol's place

[umbral scaffold]

working as intended afaik.

[fading yarrow]

^

I glitched mine in the Operative Cosmetics menu

[umbral scaffold]

yeah youc an only do it there

sadly

[fading yarrow]

End of match weapons are always as they are on the tin

[midnight totem]

I wish it that would get fixed

It shouldn't be fucking difficult

[tall torrent]

Ur addicted

[faint beacon]

Shut up its a banger

[tall torrent]

Most sane agripinaa mk9 enjoyer

[faint beacon]

RAGHHHHH I LOVE THE AGRI IX

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-lobo-lobisomem-werewolf-lobisomem-pidao-gif-5024427197428066691

[tame lodge]

Agri 9 puts the N and I on niche

[normal sparrow]

Its been awhile but it was back when you can only reroll 1 perk on curio, had 75 rating +3 stam 5 hp 5 toughness free reroll curio that gives 4 stamina bar with ds
Checked again in psyk, 5 bars, but 4 ingame

[sinful swallow]

NSFW

Brunt with a banger

[last parcel]

not safe for wolfer

[sinful swallow]

Hah

When do we get to kill him

Smh

[oblique totem]

Already did.

It was an accident. Stray bullet. Sorry.

[lapis lagoon]

hey is it just me or in game chat is dead ?

[tame lodge]

Restart your game, failed connection to chat

[lapis lagoon]

i did many times

[tame lodge]

Well then

You're just not getting chatty people 💀

[umbral scaffold]

^

[lapis lagoon]

lol that's weird

[umbral scaffold]

theyre locked DF in

[tame lodge]

Heard that they use voice chat on Heresy

Would you believe that?

I sure don't

[oblique totem]

No toxic community for you

[midnight totem]

Sounds like heresy

[oblique totem]

Thus the silence.

[last parcel]

most of the voice chatters i get are drunk people talking about their day

[oblique totem]

Oh, that's a good idea.

Give me like 40 minutes to get drunk and I'll hop in VC

[iron marten]

avg warhammer fan being 40 talking about the wife and kids

[oblique totem]

If it makes you feel any better, I don't have a wife.

[iron marten]

nah dw, I was simply talking about my past games lol

it happens pretty commonly

at least, down here in Australia

[oblique totem]

I too have encountered some very drunk players in VC.

[proud marsh]

just switched to this class from soyker, any tips?

[faint beacon]

well 1. welcome to actually enjoying the game instead of deleting hordes in 2 seconds
2. this is a rough rundown on talents you need to pick up on builds ^

[tame lodge]

Hit the weakspot

[faint beacon]

Aim at head enemy die REALLY quickly

that is how veteran do

[somber axle]

Most classes can't do this but Vet can! If you crouch behind cover and hit the aim button your character will automatically peek over the top of the cover you're behind at exactly the height level to shoot leaving the rest of your character protected!

People don't really use it but we can do it!

Cover peeking only works vertically, not horizontally

So we can't peek around corners

only over whatever we're hiding behind if it's low enough to see over it when standing

[fading yarrow]

Clutched out a victory in a Heresy level Clandestium mission when my team kept getting downed