veteran-class

[last parcel]

the tacax does things to your brain chemistry

[faint beacon]

Taxe 4 my beloved

[lavish token]

Based

I have 4 vet builds

Infiltrate cowboy

Chaxe

Revive shout chaxe

[faint beacon]

Look man I just never fucking noticed I melee more, it feels like second nature to clear the horde and then kill specials with my Agri IX

[lavish token]

Exec stance laspistol

[merry oak]

any new hellbore skins yet?

[last parcel]

sometimes the horde is 5 spread out dudes
still based

https://imgur.com/t3SD9aD

[jaunty tinsel]

how'd you get thatweapon appearance?

[faint beacon]

Siegfried sighting

[last parcel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/277
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/290
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/276

[faint beacon]

running in like a fucking methhead and swinging at everything lmao

[jaunty tinsel]

thanks

[last parcel]

the real dreg rager

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iA9YCkzbs6Qb0R1I3/d1337M69QO5F?invite=cr-MSxkNGwsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Also match before that, forget LC has voicelines that aren't actually being sarcastic I wont lie

[lethal idol]

my sharpshooter gun

and my "HO SHT HO FCK" gun

I also nicknamed the first one my "W40k M14" lol

[midnight mesa]

Are these blessings okay for the Recon Gun?

the locks make me want to di

[last parcel]

sustained fire only works when burst firing and letting the recoil reset between bursts (new salvo)
there's a noticable gap between infernus 3 and 4 but it'll be fine for now

replace sustained with headhunter/dumdum when you can

[midnight mesa]

got it thank you fam

also ik that infernus 4 is bettere

*better

but i don't have inferius 4

i have like 10 blessings

[last parcel]

yeah i figured, just felt the need to mention it anyways

[tardy iris]

666 weakspot heard

[sinful swallow]

So smooth

[last parcel]

i was going to respond with a rubbing gif but they're too horny

[final stone]

https://youtu.be/GKnAWcWnJJc

[runic jackal]

guys

opinion on the scout lazguns?

im running the beamer build rn

and just got this bad boy

[wide pike]

It’s a mean combo

Immediate death for anything infront of you

[midnight mesa]

I think my loadout is like

The exact same

Only my recon Lasgun is worse in terms of blessings

...

[runic jackal]

bet

[midnight mesa]

GIVE ME YOUR DUMDUM BLESSING

[midnight mesa]

Yeah I use VID recon and Rashad

Rashad is

Fucking busted

Crushers cry at the might of

...

A regular axe

[dense tartan]

I 100% cleared all the veteran penances.

[tame lodge]

Cheers

I'll drink (coffee) to that

[winter grove]

payday 2 gameplay

[last parcel]

add the bulletstorm effect to field improv

[merry fossil]

Question of the day: how to use Marksman Focus/Exe stance efficiently? Random poxwalker coming from behind are ruining stance (get a sword/knife out to parry = you're screwed), and randos aren't reliable in terms of covering your back.

Penance to get 2500 kills at 10 stacks of MF looks depressing a bit.

[odd sparrow]

to get progress on that, have the 15 stacks talent.

take an autogun and simply aim for heads in crowds.

Or frankly just use MF as its intended

[radiant chasm]

use a helbore

the fast one, mk2

also i wouldn't do both at the same time tbh unless you don't value your sanity

[merry fossil]

I'm trying Vraks mk VII, seems nice (except ammo capacity); not sure if I have a good Hel2. (Hel 3 I have, with surgical/chained, but it's less for MF-build, I fear).

[merry fossil]

"Only the insane shall prosper!" (I'm not exactly aiming to do both at the one moment, but usually get some progress to both during the same run, as I have a feeling that Exe and MF keystone are kinda complimentary to each other).

[tough tiger]

What Perks and blessings go well with the recon las?

The 6d specifically

[thorn lark]

Headhunter + infernus/dumdum

I like flak unyielding or flak Crit chance

[fluid gust]

It counts all kills, not just ranged ones. So what you can do is pick a fast-switching weapon like a laspistol or revolver and just do enough headshots to keep it above 10 stacks while slashing hordes with a melee weapon. Alternatively, do what I did and take the crouching talent, which will let you stack it regardless of enemies.

It does look a bit silly slashing a horde while crouching, but it works

[merry fossil]

I guess I have to delearn how to dodge, as only ranged kills allows movement. Do you use "hold" or "press" to crouch?

[fluid gust]

I use press, but use whatever you prefer

The agri infantry autogun works too since it has enough cleave to deal with a horde somewhat

I suppose shredder nades would work fine as well, so long as you make sure you're above 10 stacks when the kills start rolling in

Trying to complete it "legit" will be a big grind, so whatever lets you maximise the amount of kills you get at 10 stacks or above is the key. Trouble is, few of the weapons that synergize the most with MF are great at clearing hordes (which is where you get the most enemy density), or at least not without using up a lot of ammo. I think the Recon lasguns might be an effective option with their recent buffs, though I completed the penance before those happened

The hardest hitting recon lasgun (forgot which mark) is absolutely devastating against hordes

[merry fossil]

I'm itching to try a new shotgun as well, if double-shot has a good spread and cleave.

[languid terrace]

Maximum damage

[merry fossil]

Slapper Showel

[fossil basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/mevsyou-youvsme-channingtatum-shestheman-towel-gif-5116654

[deep fable]

is there a mod to trigger stacks of skills/blessings in the psykhanium?
like if i wanted to see damage with stacks of martyrdom

[tall torrent]

Creature spawner

Turn off player invulnerability and let urself get hit

[idle swallow]

I've only ever kinda liked infernus on vld recon with all the brittleness/rending talents, and even then it's a situational benefit

[deep fable]

thanks

[magic trout]

Which is difference between stagger and stun?
I got an indignatus shock maul with overhelming force 4.
It says that stagered enemies has 25% to get stun

[tall torrent]

Stun is holding enemy in place & incapacitating them

Stagger comes in stages based on stagger strength & power

[magic trout]

Like the special action?

[tall torrent]

Yea

And lightning reflexes

[magic trout]

Nlw i get it, thanks

[orchid hemlock]

DID SOMEONE SAY STAGGGGERRRR????

[umbral scaffold]

Omw to try and make a krieg based build from sheer memory of the chapter and the few lore videos I've seen

[last parcel]

alright so the first step is depression

[terse idol]

It has a massive spread

And only had good cleave if you have man cleaver

Manstopper?

The man blessing on t2

[uncut pebble]

Manstopper is right.

It does, indeed, stop the men.

[dire olive]

Mans topper

[uncut pebble]

Cease your heresy.

[dire olive]

[magic trout]

Can opener

[oblique totem]

Glad to see the Vets are as emotionally stable as always

[idle bluff]

Could anyone tell me how to build a plasmagun?

[dire olive]

Go to Brunt, buy a plasma gun. That's all you need really

[deft oriole]

Gets Hot, Blaze Away, 78 stopping power and 80 damage I think for breakpoints

[dire olive]

[deft oriole]

perks idk probably flak and unyielding

focus target, frag grenade, longshot. Solo maps

[idle bluff]

What does blaze away do?

[terse idol]

More like

[faint beacon]

I think I had a Tanner Vet spotted in the wild (using Plasma on a fucking Pox horde)

[terse idol]

Flak and +Elites

You need + Elites to hit the 1 shot dredge gunner BP

[terse idol]

Blaze away makes it so you get more damage the more you shoot basically

[tall torrent]

Elite & flak

[terse idol]

Like plasma gun gameplay is basically spam left click so blaze away very good for that

[tall torrent]

Blaze doesn’t matter that much in practice

Doesn’t change breakpoints much

You need 3+ blaze stacks for it to do smth

And you can’t get 3+ blaze stacks unless you’re firing from low heat

[merry fossil]

Yet t2 is unrollable on Hadron on lvl 30, right?

so, Brunt store hunting it is.

[terse idol]

You won't be able to find it unless you have a sub tier 30 iirc?

[idle bluff]

I'm 90% shure mine has shattering impact and a perk that increases charge up with low heat

[terse idol]

It's a good idea to like, make a new character to hunt for it

[deft oriole]

Getting the charge blessing on plasma gun isn't bad at all either imo. But Gets Hot stays of course.

[terse idol]

Or

[tall torrent]

It’s a good idea to wait a month until they fix this crafting system

[terse idol]

Wait for the itemization update

[tall torrent]

And play smth else while u wait

[terse idol]

Wouldn't take the charge blessings

Just take the one that gives you toughness back

[merry fossil]

But I've just returned to DT, after half-year vacation. So many heretics to smash...

[tall torrent]

If ur gonna play rn my recommendation is to collect blessings

[idle bluff]

So blaze away and shattering impact would be the roll to chase?

[last parcel]

you wish to “smash” the heretics

[tall torrent]

They said 70~80% of blessing collection on a weapon family gives u full mastery of that weapon family after update

[tall torrent]

No

[deft oriole]

no, blaze away and gets hot

[tall torrent]

Gets hot + gloryhunter/blaze away

[terse idol]

Take glory hunter and gets hot

[tall torrent]

Gloryhunter is better than blaze in most situations

[deft oriole]

is glory hunter 30% on plasma

[tall torrent]

25%

Still huge

You basically tank forever

Because it’s on top of confirmed kill

[deft oriole]

I don't think it's needed because of veteran talents already. It's a good alternative but I wouldn't say it's better than blaze

[idle bluff]

Bet, imma farm 4 that today

[tall torrent]

One gives u marginal damage that doesn’t meaningfully improve kill efficiency most of the time
The other allows u to tank pretty much everything in the game non-stop

[idle bluff]

Could I run a plasma w voice command and still be effective? Or do I gotta go full dps gun damage?

[deft oriole]

Eh? Blaze away gives power. that's a buff to everything, damage and cleave. Calling it marginal isn't correct

[tall torrent]

Usually u run voice of command anyway

[terse idol]

VoC and Focus target is probably good enough

[deft oriole]

I agree either is fine but one isn't just better than the other

[terse idol]

Voc is insane with plasma

[tall torrent]

It is marginal if you get to know the gun’s breakpoints

[oblique totem]

Plasma with exe stance

[terse idol]

Any build that can reduce voc's cooldown (which is nearly all of them) benefit from voc

It's goooood

[last parcel]

the wallhack experience

[oblique totem]

Do it, coward

[tall torrent]

It needs 3+ stacks to do anything meaningful and you don’t get 3+ stacks without continuously firing from low heat

If you get to max heat and vent, that’s only 2 shots

[deft oriole]

that's only when venting once at max heat

[tall torrent]

The +power part is very misleading

+cleave doesn’t matter because it has 100 cleave

[deft oriole]

• cleave always matters

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t make u cleave through things u previously couldn’t

It genuinely does not matter

[deft oriole]

are you sayhing plasma has infinite cleave

[tall torrent]

I’m saying plasma has 100 cleave

Go find a scenario where this game throws 100 mass in front of u in a line

[deft oriole]

so it'll still help with crusher/mauler and bulwark lines then

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t still

[oblique totem]

Plasma goes through everything from what I've seen

[tall torrent]

Ogryn enemies flat out block cleave

[deft oriole]

no they have a number

let me look it up

[tall torrent]

Yes they have a number

They still outright block cleave

[deft oriole]

are you talking bulwarks or ogryn enemies

[tall torrent]

That number is only relevant for very specific things like sunder

And perfect strike

[fluid gust]

I know Carapace does unless you have certain blessings, but I'm not sure ogryns by themselves do

[tall torrent]

Ogryn enemies in general all block cleave

[oblique totem]

Quick, pick up the clown phone

[deft oriole]

crusher has mas of 12.5

mass

[tall torrent]

Yes ik that lol

Try shooting 2 crushers in a line with plasma

See if it hits both

[deft oriole]

also bossing

blaze away helps with that

[tall torrent]

Plasma is not a monster damage gun

[deft oriole]

?

[tall torrent]

It just isn’t

[deft oriole]

idk man

shout shoot the head with focus target

[tall torrent]

It really just isn’t lol

Columnus mk5 one mags plague ogryn

Boltgun one mags plague ogryn

[deft oriole]

ok plasma gun kills in less than one mag

[tall torrent]

Zarona comes close to one mag plague ogryn

Plasma can’t kill boss before venting

[deft oriole]

so vent

[tall torrent]

You’re looking at like

At the minimum

3x as much time as those other weapons in boss damage

And melee kills them better still

[oblique totem]

Are we talking about a plague ogryn here or regular ogryn?

[deft oriole]

plague

[tall torrent]

Plague ogryn

Using plasma for boss damage is just

Wasteful

[last parcel]

p p pwague ogwyn >.<

[trim steppe]

you mean you dont want to dump 60% of your ammo for a boss you can kill with melee in 10 seconds?

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/spraying-disinfect-lilo-and-stitch-lilo-stitch-gif-16694753

[deft oriole]

what are you meleeing with brah

[tall torrent]

What are u not meleeing with

[oblique totem]

I'm not a plasma main but I could ask one about this

[oblique totem]

You kidding? I dump 60% of my ammo on poxwalkers

[lusty jetty]

shall i sacrifice headtaker or shred for brutal momentum

[heavy rover]

OwO what's this? a dwaemon host? (writing this pained me)

[trim steppe]

Yeah so if you dump 60% on PO then you only have 40% for poxxies and you die, obviously

[oblique totem]

Right, which is why I use the chainsword on the PO

Gotta save my ammo for when it's needed

[trim steppe]

both are good blessings. Maybe keep shred so you get a 550 lol. Idk I dont use tac axe

[deft oriole]

Controlled environment but here

Plasma is flak / maniac

[last parcel]

notices youw fwashwight OvvO

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s not impressive boss damage lol

[deft oriole]

Are you saying that because it's not as good as columnus mk V boss damage or what

[tall torrent]

If you’re gonna say it’s good boss damage u should compare it to things that have good boss damage like Columnus mk5

And that’s in ranged weapon’s case

[deft oriole]

columnus with unyielding perk and dum dum I got 12 seconds

[tall torrent]

In actual games you don’t get to pop free headshots unless boss is targeting u

[deft oriole]

compared to 20 plasma it's not bad

[tall torrent]

But if you get targeted you should have melee out anyways

[deft oriole]

no you shout and then pop the head

[tall torrent]

Columnus is somewhere around 5s

Depending on crit RNG

[tall torrent]

Yea this is not the boss damage build that’s why

[deft oriole]

its 8 focus target with all 3 shout buff nodes and unyielding perk

what do you mean not boss damaghe build

[tall torrent]

It just isn’t?

[deft oriole]

and dum dum 4

[oblique totem]

Time to kill is one aspect, ammo usage, ease of actually hitting the target, punishment for missing all matter

[tall torrent]

Columnus boss damage is exe + MF

[deft oriole]

now you're saying to use ex?

and mf?

[tall torrent]

I’m saying, if you’re gonna compare boss damage

Top performers

Plasma doesn’t even come close

[deft oriole]

I'd rather use the actual meta veteran build and not hyper specialize with exe and MF

[tall torrent]

It’s not really a hyper specialized build

It’s a really boring build that does too much damage vs basically everything

[deft oriole]

I can do exe and MF on the boss if you want but the comparisons between plasma and columnus will be the same

they both used the same 8 focus target, 3 buff shout damage build

[tall torrent]

If ur goal is meta plasma then the goal is not boss damage

Plasma is strong because it has relatively low investment for anti-special and elite wave performance

[deft oriole]

Plasma is strong because it does literally everything

extremely well

and wait a minute

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t do boss damage extremely well

[deft oriole]

shout is better for bossing anyways because of the stagger

for free headshots

[tall torrent]

In a straight 1v1 where u are the target, yea

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but kraks pull off that stagger and you can just mf exe stance and mag dump the boss in the face.

[deft oriole]

if you arent the target the boss isnt facing you bro

frag is usually the meta pick though

[tall torrent]

Frag is the highest damage grenade for veteran that’s frequently out of reach depending on build

[magic trout]

Why?

[deft oriole]

better general use. You don't need kraks for armor with plasma

frag is great for revives and clearing space

[idle bluff]

I love the indignatus, it's an amazing fallback for vet, but how's the other shock maul?

[deft oriole]

I think indignatus is better because of the moveset

[tall torrent]

1a is not nearly as good as mk3

[uncut pebble]

Afaik they have the same bps, it's just a moveset difference.

[tall torrent]

Mk3 has like twice the single target kill efficiency because it gets to loop heavy overhead

[idle bluff]

I just nabbed the indignatus because I love flanged maces

[tall torrent]

I get what u mean since you’re using a shovel

But plasma is really not that high up there in boss damage

[deft oriole]

I typically use knife

that's my krieg build i put plasma on

[tall torrent]

If u use knife then u don’t need plasma for boss damage whatsoever

Knife veteran is just so much damage

[deft oriole]

why knife here even if I did have it

[magic trout]

Ruthless backstab?

[terse idol]

Just pick bolter for boss damage

[tall torrent]

In a proper knife/axe build that chaos spawn dies before it gets to grab

[tall torrent]

No

Ruthless backstab is not good

[deft oriole]

ok im done

pulling things out of ur ass

[tall torrent]

Uncanny + mercy/executor/riposte/precog/flesh tearer

[magic trout]

But chaos spawn is fair easy target,try with karnak twins or any of human bosses and you will miss some shots, knife shines there

[tall torrent]

I’m not making any of this up tho

[uncut pebble]

Hes not lying, ruthless backstab is bad compared to other knife blessings.

[deft oriole]

name a karnak twin that spawns in auric maelstrom

[uncut pebble]

Especially if you're running serrated blade with uncanny strike and mercy killer.

[deft oriole]

I post proof and you all are grasping at fucking straws

[last parcel]

that was a separate discussion

[uncut pebble]

Oh I am dumb, then.

[last parcel]

relatable

[uncut pebble]

That being said, plasma isn't "good" for boss damage by comparison to other options.

Yeah, it definitely stomped that chaos spawn, but you could do it much faster and more efficiently with other weapons.

[deft oriole]

name something that isnt columnus that could do that

[uncut pebble]

Also you got a really controlled environment for that clip.

[faint beacon]

Okay so

[magic trout]

We are discussing and criticizing to improve.

[faint beacon]

Ruthless is "Bad" because its situational unlike Uncanny

in which

[tall torrent]

Boltgun, both revolvers

[faint beacon]

you're constantly swinging at weakpoints

[uncut pebble]

You got to see the cspawn way before it got to you and were able to line up several headshots.

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa mk9 headhunter, even

lol

[faint beacon]

my beloved

[uncut pebble]

Don't forget infernus hh recons.

[deft oriole]

revolvers have 6 shots and are finessee weapons need to headshot

[tall torrent]

Ur addicted

[deft oriole]

and bolter is fucking shit

[uncut pebble]

Those things do nasty boss damage for what they are.

[faint beacon]

Its not an addiction I can quit whenever

[tall torrent]

Yea they still kill faster

[magic trout]

I have seen some players thst melted some bosses in secs with acatran 🔥

[uncut pebble]

If we're going by your logic of "use shout," you can get a controlled environment where an agripinaa revolver can drop an entire cylinder in a boss's face and kill it outright.

[tall torrent]

It’s not for everybody

[faint beacon]

Bolter is so fucking funny with Exec and Blaze away?

[deft oriole]

and then you reload

also its the fan revolver

that thing is also shit

[faint beacon]

I dont recall what the boss stopper build is

for bolter

[tall torrent]

Top 10 imperial truths

[faint beacon]

but its really fucking funny

[uncut pebble]

The psyker using scriers gaze with headshots only:

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have blaze away

[last parcel]

the forbidden blaze away bolter

[faint beacon]

Or is it Calva?

[uncut pebble]

Bolters take pinning fire cavalcade iirc.

[faint beacon]

Idfk

[pseudo fiber]

or surgical

[faint beacon]

its just Fire and it dies

lmao

[tall torrent]

It’s a fully functional Boltgun build that happens to be good at boss damage because it’s a Boltgun

[uncut pebble]

And those are better for elite packs anyway.

[last parcel]

inspiring barrage + gloryhunter born leader

[uncut pebble]

Regardless, we aren't saying plasma isn't capable of killing bosses.

[faint beacon]

I love absorbing all the ammo to give my team a wee bit of toughness

[uncut pebble]

Because it definitely is.

You just have better options available and that isn't what it is intended for.

You can make the same exact argument for flamers on zealout.

[tall torrent]

I think he alrdy zoned out from this chat lol

[uncut pebble]

Flamers do excellent mixed horde clear, but they also happen to have very good boss damage.

[magic trout]

For me, it work with surgical and glory hunter, executioner Keystone, VoC, playing as support, krak grenades for bosses
But i cant mske it work aside from that playstyle

[uncut pebble]

Though I do run flamer with an uncanny knife so take that with a grain of salt vs crushers/maulers.

[tall torrent]

Surgical + pinning fire is the DMR set-up

Cavalcade + shattering is the magdump set-up

[magic trout]

Could you share the build?
I tried this but i lack damage

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1261113380714975323/IMG_5498.png?ex=66d45a9c&is=66d3091c&hm=a1d281f66b9d89123409e44f1d3cf32c006cf10c48f5913d6a1efe7db096a01b&

[magic trout]

I use this in my zealot

[last stone]

howd ya take a pic like that

[magic trout]

Thanks, i will try this 🤔

[magic trout]

I was going to ask the same

Its an app?

[last stone]

i mena i dont have pic perms

so i cant really send a pic anyways

[pseudo fiber]

just keep talking youll get them

[last stone]

and gifs are hella annoying

[fluid gust]

Pic perms are given once you've spent an unknown time on the server

[last stone]

what level would i need to get to

[last parcel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[muted gorge]

its either a mod to shrink the talent tree in game, or gameslantern

yea

[tall torrent]

Gameslantern

[last parcel]

the shrink mod makes it a lot more squished than taking a gameslantern screenshot

[deft oriole]

ok I'm back

[magic trout]

I use this, but there is an option to make screenshots or to copy/paste the skill tree?

[muted gorge]

windows key shift+ s

thank me later

[deft oriole]

I just tested both revolvers and they don't come close

[last parcel]

https://screenshot.help/

[frank monolith]

I can agree

was using smoke to actually push more on gunners

[deft oriole]

you're not using plasma in that game though

[muted gorge]

the emperor is with me, my first roll

[deft oriole]

Also Revolvers dont come close so that arguement is invalid

[frank monolith]

ye im using a diffrent gun since i have no need for it

[last stone]

aight i made the build

[deft oriole]

You're free to use whatever you want man but if you aren't using the plasmsa you can't say it's not as good

[last stone]

still need to wait to post it though

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1275234560749080598/Zarona_vs_boss.mp4?ex=66d44f7b&is=66d2fdfb&hm=8cc6e9618dee685ea4927b327a346762a05f0c8c3dedc8998f39e747fe08e547&

Too bad

Never said plasma is bad

[last parcel]

you can save it and post the link. it won't embed but we can still click on the web page link

[tall torrent]

Just that it’s not top tier in boss damage

[deft oriole]

lol exe stance and full marksmans focus on a boss standing still

does that revolver have unyielding perk too

or

focus target

[magic trout]

WTF? 😮

[deft oriole]

also nice crits

[muted gorge]

what melee do you usually bring with this Bolter build?

[deft oriole]

plasma isnt a boss killing weapon guys, just use exe stance with unyielding damage revoler on an afk chaos spawn

and get lucky with 5 crits in a row

Is that willfull ignorance or what

[fluid gust]

Nobody said plasma isn't good on bosses

[somber axle]

Plasma should be a better boss killing weapon tbh

[magic trout]

Its mot ment to killong bosses but is good for killing bosses

[somber axle]

Thematically wrong

[deft oriole]

The people I was arguing with are saying plasma isnt a boss weapon

and then post shit like that and pretent people cant see buff bars

[somber axle]

I mean it's not as good as the top tier boss killing options

But it's Plasma

[tall torrent]

Would recommend power sword 6 or shock maul 3

[magic trout]

They never said that, they said there are better choices to kill bosses

[somber axle]

I'm hesitant to recommend buffs to Plasma but it should probably be better at killing big bads

[tall torrent]

Because it isn’t

[deft oriole]

lmao

[somber axle]

Game balance be damned

[tall torrent]

I never once said it’s weak

It’s just not that high up there in boss damage

It’s like A- tier

[deft oriole]

so far the only 2 weapons that can compete with boss damage are columnus MK V and Bolter

[last stone]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ce63fd6-6cb2-470a-8448-8ac8af3301d3/idk?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[deft oriole]

but bolter is shit so

[last stone]

welp here is the build

roast the hell out of it please

[last parcel]

falter

[somber axle]

The meme Revolver builds can also kill bosses very fast and there are some funny builds with the Recons for burning down bosses pretty ok

[last stone]

oh i barely use the gun because i havent found a decent one in the store

[lusty sapphire]

Why?

[deft oriole]

ok so the builds that are specialized with exe stance and finesse headshot crits can compete with plasma gun

do you see the issue here

[last stone]

i wanted a revolver or plasma

[deft oriole]

plasma is insane for boss damage

[magic trout]

-Bolters: crafted by the emperor of mankind to help with his crusade
Darktide: a revolver with t shots 1 shotting everything in his path 🤣

[last stone]

but they somehow havent shown up in the store

[somber axle]

You don't need Serrated Blade if you're not using Mercy Killer on your Knife tbh. Swap for Agile Engagement because it'll be MUCH better

[fluid gust]

Now the real deal? Dclaw crit parry headshots

[magic trout]

This is not fallout, stop your heresy

[somber axle]

I'd also grab Grenadier over Leave No One Behind for the extra Krak but some people really like being able to get off the easier/faster revive so you do you if that's the case

[tall torrent]

If you’re specifically going for high boss damage obviously it’s whatever that kills faster is better

[somber axle]

2 Kraks feels too limiting

three feels so nice

You should probably also remove some points from right side tree

[magic trout]

Bare fist when?

[somber axle]

You don't have Tactical Awareness and that's a must have

Iron Will would be good to have too

You've also got no grenade regen

Drop Exploit Weakness for sure

[magic trout]

This hurts a lot, when you unlocked the bolter and you see a common revolver is better 😭

[deft oriole]

I will say

[lusty sapphire]

The revolver being better doesn't make the bolter shit. Otherwise the entire arsenal bar a few weapons is shit by comparison

[deft oriole]

Blaze Away + Pinning fire bolter has a place on zealot

play it like a flamer

and it can be really good

[tall torrent]

Boltgun doesn’t have blaze away

Pinning fire + cavalcade is neat

[deft oriole]

oh it doesnt

calvalcade ig

[somber axle]

It's really funny that game balance has pushed Revolvers to be so strong beyond Bolters and Plasma

[tall torrent]

But zealot usually takes Boltgun in some kind of anti-armor magdump role so shattering is nice as well

[somber axle]

It's wrong but it's funny

and as a clown I can appreciate funny

[uncut pebble]

Only ogryn weapons and flamer have blaze away iirc. (unless autopistol also does)

[lusty sapphire]

I guess they will eventually gut them

[tall torrent]

Autopistol
Plasma
Twin stubber
Flamer

Have blaze away

[uncut pebble]

Right right I forget plasma does.

[last stone]

aight i changed it to include all of those

[lusty sapphire]

And kickback/rumbler

[last parcel]

blaze away helbore

[uncut pebble]

Probably because gets hot is so much better.

[magic trout]

Ammo economy, accuracy, 1 shot kill in many traits revolver is better

[somber axle]

Revolver's main deal is having a pretty awful reload time to compensate for all the strengths. And that weakness is pretty much something you can safely ignore with Weapon Specialist + Always Prepared

Plus you really, really don't want to use Revolver to try to deal with a room full of shooters LOL

[muted gorge]

I have been doing the bolter a disservice using it on zealot

[tall torrent]

Right, forgot abt them

[somber axle]

Revolver Vets become melee Vets when rooms of non-elite shooters appear

[tall torrent]

Ripper does too I think?

[last parcel]

yea

[frank monolith]

add the hacker shotgun here aswell

[lusty sapphire]

Actually all ogryn ranged weapons have blaze away I think?

[frank monolith]

since im practically a zealot in vets clothing

[last parcel]

yeah

even grenadier gauntlet

[uncut pebble]

Does it actually?

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah

[last parcel]

yeah

[uncut pebble]

Wack.

Such a janky ass weapon, that one.

[lusty sapphire]

It goes to 5 stacks even tho you only have 4 shots

[last parcel]

it stacks when you slap with primary then loses it all when you ads

[uncut pebble]

Does it apply when you do the special melee?

That would be interesting to see.

[lusty sapphire]

Not sure but I think there's too much delay

[muted gorge]

all of them or just the biggest damage one?

[magic trout]

It is top tier.
Good ammo economy, accuracy, can melt bosses, fairly easy to use, good blessings

They are basically braced guns with better accuracy and ammo economy

[merry fossil]

What perks/blessings are you running?

Infernus + ?

My brain still fails at imagining dumdum cells for a lasgun; but yeah, seems powerful.

[last parcel]

wait what i hate darktide math

i just ran deathspitter because i liked the name

[magic trout]

@last stone my loose cannon build for agripina braced autogun and power sword
Curios:
1 wound
2toughness

I have something like this for zealot, that i truly thinks that is trash but has carry me through auric maelstrom 😅

[magic trout]

Based ☠️

Itwould be but i HATE so much smoke grenades 😖

[last parcel]

ngl using the VId turns off the part of my brain that lets me swap weapons

[magic trout]

WTF?

[last parcel]

i've only seen hsword bot in the lobby

[tall torrent]

Close damage and power are 2 separate multiplicative brackets

[last parcel]

that's why i hate it

[balmy flume]

…just got kicked as a Psyker without even being told why…

[magic trout]

Gunpsyker?

[balmy flume]

No

[magic trout]

Are you sure? 🤔

[balmy flume]

Well, at least I am told I was kicked by game

Dead sure I have no gun

Using staff

[orchid hemlock]

Psyker

U answered your own question 😔

[magic trout]

Jokes aside this tend to happen To me as well and everyone, some players hate some classes Because of the experiencie they have with other plzyers using that class
Sometime i get kick when i just got into the mission when using plasma gun.

[orchid hemlock]

Are the "Smykers" in the room with us rn? 🤔

[somber axle]

Maybe someone being judgemental about your build or something? Idk

[magic trout]

They are trying to read our minds ☠️

[somber axle]

I've never been kicked from a match but I have seen loooots of people leave

Usually the first time they go down even once they instantly disconnect

[magic trout]

I hate this do much
Mostly when you are revive them and they leave

[last parcel]

the best leaver i got was a vet who fell off a ledge after everyone else went past the point of no return, where we fought for like 5 minutes before they called us a bunch of mentally disabled africans and left

[balmy flume]

They might have think I died too often

[orchid hemlock]

Least Racist Warhammer fan

[muted gorge]

nothign gives me more anxiety then someone who just refuses to jump down from the PonR when the rest of us are already down

like i get there's a bunch of poxwalkers back there but PLEASE jump down

[orchid hemlock]

U generally want to kill things in a better position before you go thru a door or a ledge. Because they will just spawn somewhere else in the next area.

[muted gorge]

Honestly i think they just havent thought that far into the game yet and dont even really realize its a Point of no Return or that we cant get them to save them

[last parcel]

i used to be polite and waited for them to jump down together but now i just leave them behind and ping once before leaving them to their fate

[muted gorge]

i specified the rest of the team had already jumped down but you're also right, some people jump down too early

like the pipe of doom right before the ascender staircase holdout

When the gunners are already setup across the way on the hab block and just raining bullets upon your whole team

[orchid hemlock]

I've had people get eztrenly mad at me because I won't go thru the double door.

Nah fam, I'm not going in there until I kill the pox bombers behind us

[muted gorge]

Im not gonna get mad or upset, maybe a little impatient if its like unreasonably long

[somber axle]

Sometimes they don't even wait to see if someone will attempt to get them back up LOL

On their knees and gone

[muted gorge]

sometimes i can just tell im having a bad day and the team will just be better with the bot

[last parcel]

i can tell i'm having a bad day but i decide to stick around and make it everyone else's problem too

[tidal rapids]

Haven't played in a bit but it seems like recon lasguns are more popular than before?

[last parcel]

yeah they got buffed like two months ago

[somber axle]

They're all pretty solid weapons now

Mk II: Ammo Economy
Mk VId: Biggest Mag Size + Fast Fire Rate
Mk VIIa: Cleave

[tidal rapids]

Huh, guess I'll have to take one out on a run

[patent birch]

best axe chat?

[tidal rapids]

Cleave?

[somber axle]

Yeah

VIIa has a cleave value of 3.0 iirc so it can shoot a poxwalker and the shot continues on to hit the second poxwalker behind it too

[muted gorge]

MK VId laser lightshow my beloved

[mortal viper]

rolling up a vet today whats the good rng weapons I dont want to use plasma I don't think I will like the mechanic of it

[somber axle]

Poxwalkers have 1.2 hit mass iirc

[muted gorge]

I want a full team of vets with the MkVId recon

on lights out

please

[tidal rapids]

VId sounds like lasgun CIAG, VIIa could clear hordes slightly better?

[fluid gust]

VIIa absolutely mulches hordes

[somber axle]

Groaners only have 1.0 hit mass so you can shoot 3 Groaners before the VIIa's beam gets stopped

You can improve the cleave value a bit with Deathspitter

[tidal rapids]

I'll have to build one up and see for myself then, I've got a VId in storage from when carnival was new but not a VII

[somber axle]

Dum Dum + Deathspitter is my fav blessing combo for the VIIa

[tidal rapids]

Was it VId? I've got a recon lasgun from that time

[somber axle]

I prefer Headhunter + Dum Dum for the VId and II though

The VId is the most fun imo

Grab Onslaught, Rending Strikes and Shock Trooper on the talent tree and you can melt Crusher faces off

[tidal rapids]

I've seen infernus mentioned as a good pick?

[somber axle]

It's a bit lower damage but if you get Infernus IV and need to swap your other blessing/perks keep Infernus IV imo

It's also fun for lighting things on fire and sometimes a poxhound gets set on fire as it runs away and then dies around a corner from burning to death

[last parcel]

and that little bit is enough to fuck up scab bruisers too

[somber axle]

Nice!

[uncut pebble]

After all that talk about boltguns and plasma for boss damage I decided to go make a boltgun on my zealout and got the perfect roll first try.

[somber axle]

Infernus IV isn't ideal but it isn't bad and it's very fun

[uncut pebble]

80% in all stats but reload speed and mobility, got pinning fire 3 shattering impact 3 for crusher mag dumping.

[tidal rapids]

Hmm, VII with deathspitter and dum dum. Let's go roll some dice with brunt and hadron then since it's another month before itemisation update

[uncut pebble]

Now I can run dclaw without crying inside.

[somber axle]

You'll want Flak, Maniac or Crit Chance as perks. Any of those three are solid

[tidal rapids]

Praise be to the omnisiah

[somber axle]

Don't get the Onslaught talent when using the II or VIIa

The fire rate on both is too low to get much value out of it

[uncut pebble]

Oh and because of the blessing pulls I got to pick my perks.

25% cara and uny damage.

I can comfortably drop (or at least heavily damage) crusher packs in 1 mag.

[tidal rapids]

I'll need to review my talent build, I usually main MGXII lasgun and krieger lasgun

[somber axle]

I can show you what I use for the different Recons

[muted gorge]

now that ive used bolter on Vet i dont think i can ever use it on my zealot

[somber axle]

but I'm an Exe Stance user LOL

[muted gorge]

its like this is what it was meant to be

[somber axle]

so if you're not a fan of Exe Stance you can just go down middle or right tree grabbing that instead if you prefer

the bottom of the tree is the fun part

This is what I use for the VId

[muted gorge]

honestly you dont even need a Keystone on vet

there are so many good talents down there

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist is extra funny for the increased ranged attack speed

You could save points ignoring the +25 toughness and Trench Fighter Drill on the bottom right and go straight through Skirmisher into Weapon Specialist but tbh I like the extra melee attack speed for going blender mode through hordes

Yeah that's why I grab Headhunter

Recip is really good but forcing yourself into hordes to dodge and maintain the buff probably isn't something most people would like or want to do

For less conditional ammo efficiency

You sorta have to waddle into melee range of poxwalkers to trigger Recip

If you're at range it doesn't trigger

Dodging shooters doesn't give stacks

It's really strong for crit chance when you're fighting in the middle of a horde but if you're not busy dodging things in melee it's not providing any value

The 8 sec duration makes it pretty easy to maintain but I don't think most players would enjoy the playstyle tbh

I have and it's very fun but not very user friendly for new players testing the waters on a Recon for the first time

For the average person running Auric Mael or Auric Damnation quickplay on repeat yeah, but for someone trying out a weapon they're less familiar with for the first time it's a hard sell

The average person probably isn't going to want to keep their Recon out in the middle of a poxwalker horde and continue spraying. They're going to swap melee

[tidal rapids]

What to use 2nd mod on?

[somber axle]

Save ammo meleeing hordes, and generally save the Recon for spraying at ranged targets, elites, specials and bosses

[somber axle]

Change crit damage I guess? It's pretty awful as a perk

Grab Flak, Maniac or Crit Chance

Probably Flak imo

[inland orchid]

If I was top player and I never got my hands dirty I’d swap operators in a heart beat, what’s a horde without a little bit of blood

[somber axle]

I'd rather have better damage vs Maulers, Flak Ragers, Scab Shotgunners and funnier horde clear vs Scab Bruisers than a bit faster TTK on Muties

[tidal rapids]

Flak it is then

[somber axle]

The other specials with Maniac type armour die pretty fast

Sprint efficiency is eh but the locks are being removed soon so you can change that out pretty easily

Anyway yeah the 5% crit talent node is really good on the Recons but if you're an Exe Stance user you can't justify the talent tax getting it when you want so many other things for the Recon Mk VId that are higher priority

If you go VoC or Infiltrate it's cheap to reach

And I love Exe Stance too much tbh LOL

It's too expensive to reach from Exe Stance

[tidal rapids]

Where is this node? I've essentially got a full send middle tree build with side branches

[somber axle]

If you get it, you're losing a keystone, Shock Trooper, Onslaught or Rending Strikes and all of them feel too important to pass up on the VId (plus Weapon Specialist is so fun for the extra ranged attack speed that I can't really justify going keystoneless with the VId, it's less damage and less fun)

[jaunty tinsel]

what is the mandatory perk for recon?

oh yeah lol

crit recon owns

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is a 25% ranged damage buff on top of another 25% weak spot damage, improved impact for better stagger vs enemies, suppression and stun immunity while firing

[jaunty tinsel]

way better than raw damage

[somber axle]

I love it for bursting down targets

[jaunty tinsel]

it's two extra points

you can afford to shed those

probably drop rending strikes unironically, you shouldn't be shooting at things with enough armor to matter with the recon anyway

i assume you have krak

[somber axle]

I disagree. Recons benefit a LOT from the extra crit, but Headhunter helps push that crit more consistently throughout fights. I agree Recip is very strong but not something to recommend to someone trying out Recons for the first time

[jaunty tinsel]

or a power sword

[somber axle]

the 5% crit just isn't worth sacrificing the rending, brittleness, free shots on crit or keystone imo

if you're VoC or Infil you can get it, if you're Exe Stance no

[tidal rapids]

Just to be clear, this is 5% crit boost node that leads to grenadier?

[somber axle]

Yeah except it encourages the wrong kind of behavior for the average player. Spraying into hordes works for you in a solo run, it's bad behavior for the average player touching a VId because they become an ammo goblin

Spraying into hordes with the VId is a quick way to go red/orange for others

It works for you, it would not work for the average player

[last parcel]

shooters are fine it's the long gunner strings that have issues

[jaunty tinsel]

at the higher difficulties, sink-or-swim kicks in anyway

[somber axle]

Recip triggering for others normally isn't what I'm saying wouldn't work. I'm saying you make it work, but the average player sticking to the VId while in melee range of a horde is going to run empty on ammo in a quickplay match and will have a steeper learning curve adjusting to Recip Recon Mk VId gameplay

[jaunty tinsel]

you cannot use the recon to spray into hordes, they reach you in melee and kill you

[somber axle]

That's something you toy with once you're comfy with the weapon

Not something you do when you're new to it

Something more advanced for players to try later

After they've enjoyed it more

[jaunty tinsel]

i get what sneaky is saying, but i learned on crit and still use crit into auric maelstroms (barely ever pick up ammo)

so i dont think it is THAT hard of a playstyle

[somber axle]

Was this changed recently? I vaguely remember people telling me Recip doesn't proc on ranged attacks months ago and I felt like I was going insane because I thought for sure it was proccing and ended up dropping it LOL

[jaunty tinsel]

no i mean in the sense that you shouldn't recommend crit recon to learn with

[somber axle]

but that was pre-Secrets of the Machine God so it was ages ago

[last parcel]

no they wer talking about gunner chains

[inland orchid]

Mfw I try this and meet 500 ragers in point blank range (my stamina is about to become a negative number)

[somber axle]

The max stacks from a single dodge sounds good on paper but again remember that the average player shouldn't be sticking to their ranged weapon for poxwalkers

[jaunty tinsel]

hard to learn bad habits if you get disemboweled everytime you try

[tidal rapids]

So, switch supression immunity for 5% more crit chance?

[somber axle]

Even if you're able to crit often, it's wasting ammo

[jaunty tinsel]

this at the very least, absolutely

suppression immunity is a loser's perk. just kill them first

[somber axle]

Spray elites, specials, bosses, etc. but not hordes unless it's the funny Recon Mk VIIa because the slower fire rate and cleave lets it do it more efficiently

So someone can watch hordes melt with it and not be too ammo inefficient

[tidal rapids]

I found it much easier to deal with gunners and snipers quickly when my aim isn't swaying all over the place with a MGXII or Helbore

But I guess that doesn't really matter for recon

[somber axle]

vs the Recon Mk VId being a much faster fire rate and magdumping hordes being a very easy way to run orange/red for the average player

[jaunty tinsel]

recon is great for dealing with enemy ranged for sure

[somber axle]

I've seen lots of Vets run the Recons after the buffs and a lot of the time they become ammo goblins competing with each other for ammo

Better not to spray hordes with it and focus priority targets

[jaunty tinsel]

if they build for crit it really, REALLY helps to reduce ammo needs unironically

[somber axle]

I'm aware, I disagree that Recip is something a player new to Recons would enjoy

[tidal rapids]

So just to confirm, this 5% crit chance boost is recip and not something else?

[somber axle]

It's very good to have, but not something a new player should toy with

[jaunty tinsel]

what is reciprocity?

[jaunty tinsel]

no, there is a 5% crit bonus node

[somber axle]

The 5% crit chance boost is a talent node in the right side of the tree under Infiltrate iirc

[last parcel]

+crit on dodge

[somber axle]

Recip is +5% crit chance on dodge up to 25% crit lasting 8 sec

[tidal rapids]

The one that leads to grenadier? I see it

[somber axle]

It does not proc on most ranged attacks

It's very strong but pretty conditional

[tidal rapids]

Alright, going on a run let's see how it goes

[somber axle]

Good luck and have fun! 😄

[jaunty tinsel]

while we're talking about new players, VoC is by far the easiest perk to use, in which case the tax isn't so high

[somber axle]

100% agreed yeah

Then you can reach the 5% crit talent node without much stress

[faint beacon]

Im shocked VOC still hasn't been nerfed

[somber axle]

It probably will never be nerfed

[jaunty tinsel]

if you're going Exec at high levels you're by-default going off the beaten path and so you're pretty much your own compass by that point

[faint beacon]

like im seriously shocked its been going for this long without some sort of nerf

[somber axle]

I think Fatshark is happy with where it is

If they're going to change VoC it will probably be a big rework

And that's probably not in the near future as far as the pipeline goes

[jaunty tinsel]

yeah its current incarnation is just amazing for what it does

it's an oh-shit button, a DPS buff, an AoE heal, all at the same time

[faint beacon]

Something im surprised Exe Stance doesn't have is 2 things

Toughness refill like the other Ults

[somber axle]

I like to see Exe Stance as a very proactive ability. If you can deal with threats quickly and efficiently as they come you don't need to be reactive like VoC

If you end up in trouble you hit VoC to get out of trouble

[faint beacon]

and some sort of increased TDR when active

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is dealing with the trouble before it gets out of hand

[jaunty tinsel]

if we want to talk about perks that reinforce bad habits, exe stance is just as guilty as shock trooper

[somber axle]

Honestly yeah LOL

[jaunty tinsel]

by forcing you to ranged -- the biggest veteran meme

[somber axle]

Exe Stance needs a rework more than VoC

[faint beacon]

Exe stance

[somber axle]

VoC is pretty low effort high reward

But Exe Stance is pretty bad for new players

[faint beacon]

should be refreshed through melee and active during Melee

cause veteran has gone from shooty shoot guy

[somber axle]

Exe Stance should affect melee too

[faint beacon]

to a Hybrid class

Soyker is the Pure ranged class

[jaunty tinsel]

it should just apply to all enemies, go full tilt with the ranged killer idea

exe stance into a horde

[somber axle]

Idk that'd just be permanent uptime with relentless

[terse idol]

Voc when you pop it before a threat happens and then get enough CDR to get another voc and pop it again

[jaunty tinsel]

will new players be trapped into being perma-ranged? yes, but that is a sacrifice i am willing to make

[jaunty tinsel]

presumably this would be dropped LOL

[somber axle]

It already applies the damage buff to all attacks

well

ranged attacks

there's no target limit there

it's just limited on refresh with highlighted targets

[jaunty tinsel]

its definitely the most versatile

[somber axle]

Yeah LMFAO

[jaunty tinsel]

but imo the infantry guns are the most ammo-efficient

[somber axle]

and maintain orange buffs from the talent tree too

[faint beacon]

im going to put people on full fucking blast if they only shoot thats it

[jaunty tinsel]

like i will be shooting for like an hour and im like "im still 60% down?"

[somber axle]

This is what I fear tbh LOL

Azreal does it, the average person should not

[faint beacon]

Like im going to bully you

[last parcel]

hehe

[somber axle]

Your standard quickplay Vet spending 95% of a match leaning on their Recon is a bad call

[jaunty tinsel]

well you literally can't play that way

[faint beacon]

https://imgur.com/4kYM2M4

[somber axle]

They're good guns, they're very fun guns

[jaunty tinsel]

recon enjoyers will learn that or just die over and over

[faint beacon]

I dont see you shooting sir

[somber axle]

They should not be played that way by the average Vet

[jaunty tinsel]

the ammo is not the problem with recon

the problem is you literally cannot kill heavy units

and if you try they will kill you

[faint beacon]

rending strikes + onslaught

Deadshot if you're feeling extra silly

[somber axle]

Tbh I don't think the average Recon Vet really knows or cares about this discussion on discord because they'll try Recons, feel how they play and naturally feel the strengths/weaknesses

[last parcel]

im shooting with my mind

[jaunty tinsel]

moreso the matter of like 15 ragers running up on you

even with dumdum they will get into melee range on you

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa can't damage Crushers very effectively, but the Recon Mk VId can melt Crushers well with Rending Strikes, Onslaught, +Carapace perk and some orange buffs from the talent tree

It was possible even pre-SotMG

It's just better now after the change to mag size and fire rate LOL

[pseudo fiber]

Speaking of recons what are some good builds for it?

[faint beacon]

Recall how everyone Pre-SOTMG hated recons

[somber axle]

The Mk II and Mk VIIa have fire rates too slow to make use of the 2.5% brittleness per stack (max 16 stacks) per shot for a total of 40% brittleness

[faint beacon]

and I used it

and I genuinely thought it was hilarious

[jaunty tinsel]

crit

get as much crit as you can

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is fast enough to get solid value from it

[somber axle]

Yeah LMFAO

People put it at bottom tier with Shredder Autopistol

I'm very happy with the changes

Now everyone can enjoy how they play

[faint beacon]

Shredder is shit we can't change that

[jaunty tinsel]

i mean people were honestly just wrong then

[somber axle]

Depends on the variant and what abilities you prefer

[jaunty tinsel]

im just glad people are no longer going "recon?? erm cringe!" even when im outperforming them

[faint beacon]

its a testament if you Top Scored Pre-SOTMG

with recons

lmao

[jaunty tinsel]

ive been stuck with the VII for months

i cannot wait for the item update

[somber axle]

even funnier if you beat the CIAG/Plasma Vets

[jaunty tinsel]

autogun vets were the beach bullies of the vet community

[faint beacon]

No shame to this Vet but you reminded me

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iAorYBU9gp5y-k_Nk/d1337UMloKJo?invite=cr-MSw3T3MsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[jaunty tinsel]

incredible

[somber axle]

It's weird because as much as I dislike CIAG, I don't really see CIAG users bullying others for not using CIAG
Mostly just non-CIAG users annoyed that the CIAG is so strong

[jaunty tinsel]

can you send me your build?

[somber axle]

Maybe on reddit?

[faint beacon]

No rending strikes?

or yes rending strikes

[somber axle]

yes rending strikes and onslaught for sure

[jaunty tinsel]

i suspect ill want that build for getting the twins down

[faint beacon]

Oh I know that

just Azreal's video

is he using rending or not

[somber axle]

sometimes I feel like Tanner is just intentionally trolling with his build recommendations

[faint beacon]

I refuse to believe he isn't actively trying to throw people into the wrong directions

cause like

[inland orchid]

Maybe tanners so good the builds work for him

[faint beacon]

WHO DOES THAT

[jaunty tinsel]

what is your gun loadout?

[faint beacon]

For the love of god please dont use Plasma on hordes

[somber axle]

sometimes he does have good info
I learned that toughness regen speed on curios is bad because I watched one of his vids doing a breakdown on it

[faint beacon]

its an anti-special weapon

[inland orchid]

BUT THE GIBLETS

[somber axle]

before then I was using it on every curio because I assumed it applied to all toughness regen

but it does not

[jaunty tinsel]

you're doing that on a 341???

hot damn

[faint beacon]

its natural toughness regen aint it

cause I might rock like

1

cause I know it doesn't stack

[somber axle]

Damage and Ammo are for sure the most important stats to get at or as close to 80% as possible, 51%+ mobility, collateral and stability as dump stats

[faint beacon]

and with the itemization effecting curios as well

[somber axle]

It's funny because you can always break Bulwark shields in EXACTLY 90 shots with the VId

regardless of collateral

it's a funky impact damage thing going on

[faint beacon]

Break as in staggering right

exactly

90 shots to force a stagger

[somber axle]

not like the weird Boltgun Pinning Fire Collateral 77%+ Exe Stance Combat Stim combo just to break a Bulwark shield in 1 shot

[last parcel]

no the shield just explodes and the bulwark instantly dies

[faint beacon]

Bro

I wish

[somber axle]

yes

Boltgun is such a weird weapon for stagger

[faint beacon]

Being a Taxe veteran I've gained a bigger hatred for bulwarks running in the way of hordes

[somber axle]

on its own it'll take 5-7 shots to stagger a Bulwark shield without buffs and depending on collateral stat

if you throw in Exe Stance it ALWAYS staggers Bulwark shield on 2 shots

but then it has that weird hyper niche stagger breakpoint to stagger through Bulwark shield on 1 shot

lately quickplay has felt like less Crushers and more Bulwarks and idk why

I miss the big Crusher pain trains

[faint beacon]

I've experienced the opposite

[somber axle]

feels like it's mostly Maulers, Ragers and Bulwarks now

[faint beacon]

a lot of crusher trains and rager trains

[somber axle]

Ragertide is still hilarious

[faint beacon]

it is Scab Mauler Saturday

[somber axle]

room empty one moment, suddenly ragers from every door

[faint beacon]

We love

40k Ragertide

[somber axle]

so like he got 3 friends together and ran empty talent tree grey weapons only Auric Maelstrom iirc so for sure he has the mechanical skill to play the game well but he's also very angry at the general playerbase and a lot of his build recommendations confuse me LOL

like he's good but he's also a rude dude and a lot of the time it feels like he's trolling

[faint beacon]

Some people are just like that

[pseudo fiber]

mk7d and any is fine. Sorry was in a hellish clandestium gloriana

[faint beacon]

plus ego

[faint beacon]

HISTG?

[somber axle]

VId or VIIa? sorry am confused

[pseudo fiber]

7a sorry

[inland orchid]

So a guy who’s ballin so hard you can’t tell wether he’s serious or not, amazing

Can’t wait to meet him

[somber axle]

You for sure want Shock Trooper and Rending Strikes. Do not get Onslaught on the VIIa ever. It's like trying to squeeze water from a rock as far as trying to get value from that talent with that variant. What ability/grenade/keystone do you tend to prefer playing with? I can throw a talent tree together real quick

Most of his videos are him mocking both the Darktide discord and Darktide reddit, then doing an explanation of some mechanic and the whole time he sounds very mad at someone

It's funny to watch sometimes LOL

[pseudo fiber]

I'm comfortable with any really I can play them all I just don't play recon

[somber axle]

You can't be serious, right?

The VIIa has the slowest fire rate of all the Recons and doesn't find much value at all on Onslaught

It's not a good pick

By the time you've maybe got a few stacks on target it's probably near or already dead, and anything else isn't worth

You're not going to get good value from the VIIa shooting at a Crusher with Onslaught

It's good for the VId

not good for the VIIa

and it's an expensive talent tax for the VIIa too

just not worth the cost

[somber axle]

I'll do a quick build! One sec

[pseudo fiber]

appreciated

[crude fiber]

I think they're saying it's not worth using the 7 on crushers in general, not that onslaught isn't the way to use it against crushers. Which I'd agree with tbh

I haven't tested it but I'd guess the ttk isn't amazing

[somber axle]

here are a few different talent trees I use for the VIIa

I swap depending on mood but generally play the Exe Stance + Marksman's Focus one

[crude fiber]

Shredder pistol

Btw does hitting a different target reset the onslaught stacks on the first target?

[somber axle]

Kraks almost always because I like having them for deleting Bulwarks, Crushers, staggering bosses, etc. but you can grab Shredder instead if you prefer

I grab Determined with VoC because on the odd occasion I run VoC with a Recon I like having the suppression immunity

the gold toughness makes you feel like you can just eat entire volleys LOL

but your gun going shaky is so frustrating

no need for Determined on the Infil build because Low Profile and Infil usually buy you the space you need to avoid suppression anyway

Determined with Exe Stance feels like overkill but I really hate my gun going shaky when trying to fire back at Gunner lines and Exe Stance isn't always up to enjoy the suppression immunity

VIIa is mostly just extra comfy for the cleave to watch entire lines of Shotgunners, Ragers, Gunners, etc. fall over when they try to walk down a chokepoint

The whole column evaporating when they try to walk through a doorway is always so fun

Deathspitter + Dum Dum for the VIIa for sure, Flak first perk and either Maniac or Crit Chance as the second perk

[tidal rapids]

Now that was a smooth run, despite it being a normal damnation with enough specialists that I had to double check it wasn't hi intensity or something

[somber axle]

Nice! What'd you think of Recons?

They're really fun for just vomiting lasers into everything

[tidal rapids]

Not as ammo hungry as CIAG but certainly more handy than MGXII when the horde gets up in your face

Think I'll be running recon for a while

[somber axle]

Welcome to the Recon team 😄

They're really fun now after SotMG

[last parcel]

another reclown has been born

[tidal rapids]

Me when the next heretic horde shows up

https://tenor.com/view/joker-2019-joaquin-phoenix-sad-clown-gif-15378723

[lusty sapphire]

Second build with mf is very fun. I have something similar and it's pretty easy maintaining stacks cause evem spraying 2s in a horde at head level you're bound to get a bunch of weakspot kills and hit

[pseudo fiber]

Finally caved and got the extra loadout slots which is why I'm gonna be build hunting

[somber axle]

Yeah! Plus it feels so good having both Rending Strikes and CitA active when you need to shoot down Maulers

When everything lines up just right it feels like mixed hordes just melt

[lusty sapphire]

Pretty much. The ciag certainly nets more dps but i don't have to be that mindful of ammo with the 7a

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes, CitA, Exe Stance with the orange buffs, Flak perk, Deathspitter + Dum Dum and spraying down an entire column of Maulers laser fast is so satisfying

[balmy flume]

Damn no more maps with Tox gas right now, was hoping to do a quadruple penance kill

Just going to finish another “number of psyker missions played” one.

[tulip shoal]

executioners stance vs voice of command what better for what?

[merry fossil]

VoC pretty much for anything. 🙂

[somber axle]

Generally Voice of Command will be better. Better defensively and reactively! Exe Stance is fun if you play very proactive and use it to try to shoot down threats before they overwhelm the squad

Very different playstyles but gold toughness from Voice of Command with Duty and Honour is sorta the gold standard for Vet meta LOL

[balmy flume]

Voice of Command is just…you become super adaptable at almost any situation

Moreso than the other two abilities

[somber axle]

The stagger from VoC can stop charging muties, push away poxbursters, stagger bosses (and if you get a boss near a ledge you can shove them over for an instant kill)

Gold toughness lets you eat an entire sniper shot, poxburster pop or crusher strike without taking HP damage

It has a lot of really good utility

Also strong team support

[mighty anvil]

VoC is OP

[jaunty tinsel]

you should play lots of games with VoC first and then maybe consider exe once you can consistently get through content with VoC, if you want a playstyle more like what sneaky describes

[somber axle]

If you turn around and find 4 Ragers trying to rip open your back you can hit Voice of Command to shove them away, restore toughness and use the time they're staggered to kill them

Vs if you have Exe Stance you'll need to be able to kite them down or stagger them with your melee weapon to kill them

Generally Voice of Command will be much better for turning the tide of encounters

[faint beacon]

Bro my ass forgot I was in the Pyskanium for the past like 30 mins lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Recon lasgun is pretty fun

[ocean idol]

why there are so many pussies instantly leaving once they are downed

[midnight mesa]

What game mode are you in

[mighty anvil]

testing out new builds prolly

[midnight mesa]

If it's Auric Maelstrom then people often alt F4 when they get downed

Cause the game doesn't count it as a loss

Of course the only way to fix this is that as soon as they get downed

It should reset the counter for the perk

Because it would be funny

Also because it actually makes it so that only skilled people can get it

Y'know

Like it was intended

If it's non auric

Then they're just bitches

[ocean idol]

they are bitches in both cases

but it is normal Auric

[ocean idol]

just make leaving game count as death

[dawn garnet]

hi how important is cleave targets on force swords?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-twerk-among-us-pride-among-us-gay-pride-gif-21789680

[last parcel]

not important

[oblique totem]

I hate this

[fossil basalt]

I feel many things about this

disturbed, mostly

[frank ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/403363588401659916/857501711903096832/dumpy857501654882058250.gif

[oblique totem]

I-

[last parcel]

meow meow meow meow

catswa miwitawum

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-the-great-britain-flag-gif-9036080701175637866

horrifying

[orchid hemlock]

Y tho? 😔

[oblique totem]

Because memes should be hated, lest they break into our reality

[midnight mesa]

What refinements should I have on this thing

I was thinking

Infested and Flak?

[uncut pebble]

Unarmored and flak.

Unless you're mainly using it to parry kill ragers.

Then you might want maniac and flak.

[midnight mesa]

Got it thank

[faint beacon]

Rolls a 380

sees the damage

weeps

I did get this though

[ocean idol]

What you prefer to pair up with recon?

What grenades and melee

[winged crag]

I mean its a 2 and 10 damage difference so I reckon the 380 is a better option

[ocean idol]

it does not cover crushers well

And maulers t bh

[old prism]

rending and brittleness is insane on 6d

[gilded wraith]

Any standout blessings for the 6d?

[old prism]

dumdum deathspitter is what I'd run

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha! So no real need for shocktrooper?

[old prism]

onslauhgt is a %100 must take on 6d

[gilded wraith]

Where is it coming from outside of the 5 from the node?

[old prism]

reci is weird af at stacking, in my games it's also around 15-20

[gilded wraith]

I'm probably being dense, reci?

[old prism]

reciprocity

[gilded wraith]

Ah, gotcha, so pair with a melee with a good dodge?

Cool, thank you for the help. I'll dig through my recons and see what's viable.

[faint beacon]

Did a match with this one, yeah i see why DC's are fun

never understood why till now

[gilded wraith]

Anyone have a build that would shine with a columnus, rashad, smoke grenade, and no VoC?

[candid agate]

fellas how should i try to avoid bullets while shooting back at enemies like gunners

[somber axle]

I like to use Chainsword and Frags with Recon Mk VId because Onslaught and Rending Strikes let it melt Crushers fine and everything else is a non-issue. Chainsword is just one of my fav melees for fun but you can kinda run whatever you want with it

I run Knife and Krak most times with the Mk II and Mk VIIa though for easier time playing can opener with armour. With either of those two variants I'd recommend a melee you're comfy using against Crushers. Stuff like Catachan Swords would be a bad pairing imo. Parrying is fun but they're awful at dealing with Crushers

Fold Shovels are also a solid option to bonk Crushers away