veteran-class

[oblique totem]

That's why i stick around as much as I can. To spread misinformation in the opposite direction. Even things out.

[dim niche]

aight if there could be a 4th subclass here what would it be and why?

[clear lantern]

for it is too late, for I have drawn you as the soyjack, and myself as a chad.

[somber axle]

Tech Adept sent on suicide missions for touching Hadron's toaster

[midnight totem]

Tech Adept sent on suicide missions for forgeting lefty looset righty tighty

[gilded rock]

Caught touching the toaster

[hexed wave]

Fatshark please give us a Krieg Engineer set

and the Lucius Pattern Mark 22c semi-automatic Shotgun

[lucid hinge]

I would kill for a voidsmen set

[stiff glacier]

Voidsman breacher would be epic

[oblique totem]

It's not about the recognition. It's about doing my part.

[sinful swallow]

I just remembered I had that cat from some point in this chat lol

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[sinful swallow]

Seriously though

Why doesn't boltgun one shot a pox walker

[junior haven]

i dunno man. tzeench?

[radiant chasm]

Cause they are just maggots in there nothing to damage

Pretty sure it oneshots to the head

Like technically you could stretch it to nurgle but it’s mostly just how bolter got compensation buffs

[sinful swallow]

Blast chest apart what are those maggots clinging to

I was just stewing on it, I've been going for personal best on most kills in 1 mag

34 is current record and that's only 2 and some change per shot

[shadow aurora]

Bolts are supposed to be weak to infested

But i find it sillys its to such a drastic degree

[shadow aurora]

Bolt pistol cant kill a hound with multiple direct hits

[jaunty tinsel]

its hard to balance the boltgun conceptually

since in lore its just flat out better than all the other guns

[radiant chasm]

Not really

It is bulky for normal humans and it isn’t a true AP weapon

In fact it’s the opposite, the original bolter was made for squishy rebels and xenos

[jaunty tinsel]

right, hence better than all of our other guns, which are also designed for that

bulkiness is the only real feasible balance to it in the hands of a human

[radiant chasm]

It is fairly recently that AP bolt rounds are becoming used

They need to drop the boltgun variants cause this one feels like a middle child with no alternatives

[sinful swallow]

Inb4 the current variant turns into the krourk of the bolt guns

[gilded rock]

Which stubber was the middle child for ogryns again

Krourk?

Yeah bolter is like krourk but if krourk was an only child

[storm pine]

Aren't bolters like AP - on TT

wait that was 6e

In 10e a Space Marine bolt rifle has AP -1 but smaller ones have AP 0, meaning they don't necessarily pierce flak

[last parcel]

time to roll a random tacax
oh ok

[serene bough]

Man reading your blessing/perk descriptions gives me an aneurysm

[hollow turtle]

The fucking flex of this guy

[runic peak]

What to change on this until I find a better?

Also anyone got a fun helbore build?

Currently trying this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ce16720-ba73-4915-924c-c100420635df/helborepilled

[lethal idol]

as for now, that my weapons selection

i'm just level 10 btw

also

[runic peak]

nice, just don't worry about spending your plasteel on upgrading before lvl 30 🙂

Better to save

[lethal idol]

this dude is my ref to know if a gun is gud or not

either it can kill that dude in a few shot................or at least within a mag

otherwise it total junk

[lethal idol]

i got a Ogryn daddy, he's my main source of income, he's nearly level 30, so i use him as a piggy bank for the veteran

[runic peak]

Fair

[lethal idol]

i started my veteran class with 150K lol, so i bought EVERY types of guns available at the beginning to see what i liked or not

now i wait to get the boltgun and the DOOM shotgun (which are my 2 objective gun )

[dry pivot]

Thoughts on toughness medic?

Keeping the team alive at full killing power sounds pretty strong

[delicate hornet]

im guessing using voice of command?

[dry pivot]

Yeah that's what I've heard

[delicate hornet]

yeah its really strong, esp if u use it to consistently keep gold toughness

[dry pivot]

The new update coming has me interested

[delicate hornet]

u basically end up taking very little damage

[dry pivot]

Veteran could earn toughness on a weapon and spread it to teammates

[lethal idol]

interesting

[delicate hornet]

the born leader skill distributes the toughness u earn with teammates as well, combined with confirmed kill and maybe exhilarating takedown u get a lot of toughness regen going

[dry pivot]

The idea is that you play Veteran and you take the skills that keep your team full on toughness

You can still shoot and slash stuff as standard vet

But keeping them alive lets them do more dangerous stuff

Potentially winning the campaign

[lethal idol]

basically how i played medic in TF2

[dry pivot]

Hoagh

Later

[lethal idol]

i even won a game doing the most damage in the match.......................go figure 😆

[dry pivot]

People don't know how to fight medic

[terse idol]

I will say it can get rather complicated

[lethal idol]

ho right.............................BF1, i did that often

Cei Rigotti was so underestimated

[dry pivot]

I'm the same I always picked combat medic

[lethal idol]

(mostly because people forgot that it can shoot full auto)

[dry pivot]

I want to kill as much as the rest but I also want to revive my teammates

[lethal idol]

"death do not mean you can't kill anymore" my medic modo

[dry pivot]

Battlefield 3 I was at my peak

[terse idol]

Bf1 bad some mad crazy balance tbh

[lethal idol]

Cei Rigotti, rifle grenade, smoke grenade, i could wreak havoc

[terse idol]

Lmgs ass, assaults being insaaane

[lethal idol]

rifle grenade VS snipers and MG , smoke to cover me, and full auto Cei to clear what was in front

[loud saddle]

THE DRIP

[dry pivot]

In BF1 they had to adapt some real weapons

To a certain extent I can imagine how annoying it was getting blasted with an SMG or domed with a bolt action of the time

[lethal idol]

well most weapon available were bolt action

so for diversity sake they HAD to use prototype and concept

[dry pivot]

Yeah the bolt actions were really accurate which was nice

You didn't have fancy optics back then

[lethal idol]

i also like to think that i was partially responsible to the rise of popularity of the M1903 prototype

it was the sniper rifle with the gadget that swiched the caliber to a sub caliber that was shot semi auto by the switch of the bolt

because the gun at first was RISIBLE weak, like water gun level of weak , it was a joke

then, in one of the update they HIGHLY increased it effectiveness, but that part was not talked much in the news

faster rpm, higher damage, it was FINALLY viable

and ironically i decided to work on the sniper class at THAT moment, of all time. which was perfect

so, semi for CQB and when people sneaked behind me, and bolt action for sniping

since it used the iron sight i didn't had the flare of the scope, so people could not spot me

it made that gun OP in some game for that

[dreamy spade]

Full auto on 10 rounds is trash

Especially when they don't 2 shot

[potent iris]

Tbh bf1 going so ham in prototypes is what turned me off it, I wanted a ww1 game not an alt-history version loaded with automatics n stuff

[dreamy spade]

Play b2b then, only standard issue rifle and no vehicles

It's unfortunate there are no community servers that offer that

[heavy rover]

Karker named Slickback

[plush oracle]

🤩

[torpid lion]

niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice

😍

[dire olive]

Iirc you couldn't switch to bolt action at launch too

[balmy flume]

Wait Tempestus Scion armor is out?

[pseudo fiber]

No

[balmy flume]

Oh damn. Saw it on the drip channel.

[pseudo fiber]

It's in the files but unfinished for the drip lets you access it.

[midnight totem]

goddamn, finally picked up this power sword skin

... and its ugly

[woeful ibex]

New rotation

its Nobles and Retinues of Hive Tertium

[tame lodge]

Are those Barquette colors?
Reads the vet name
Oh

[fossil basalt]

Throne I never know how to feel about all the rich drippings for a bunch of rejects

Feels off with the voicelines

[midnight totem]

I thought the semiarid tactical was a darker model

Doesn't fit well with my usual glam, only my cadian flak armor glam. Much disappointment

[midnight totem]

We're making sure it doesn't fall into the hands of the enemy

[vernal scaffold]

I mean the "new" cutscenes that play when you first enter every shop and etc. show that basically everything rejects get is salvaged gear from the battlefields on Tertium iirc. And Commodore's Vestures are contraband more or less that Hallowette slips through and sells to us rejects. (And considering that it's like freaking Carapace, Scion gear, she's got some real good connections.)

[lusty sapphire]

Inquisitor Rannick might have one of the most resourceful retinues out there

Hallowette might as well be a rogue trader

[vernal scaffold]

Scary stuff

[radiant chasm]

She’s Brahm’s Seneschal and probably the 2nd most influential person on the rogue trader side under brahms

[lusty sapphire]

Did not know that

[vernal scaffold]

She is? Hell, I've missed that info somehow

[lusty sapphire]

Now it makes sense

[vernal scaffold]

Yep

[radiant chasm]

I don’t think she can become a rogue trader because it’s usually hereditary and you need that paper signed by big E or whatever

[lusty sapphire]

No of course

Byt regardless

[delicate hornet]

she basically only answers to Brahms

[radiant chasm]

It’s a mourningstar line, apparently hallowette is bad at keeping up with the boring paperwork side of her seneschal duties, but in every other case brahms has nothing but praise for her

[pseudo fiber]

See Merchantile with Brahms and Hadron

[radiant chasm]

It’s partly because her only job is the cash shop but in actual lore she is able to get a ton of shit through the black and greymarkets

[vernal scaffold]

Makes sense, like I said she sells rejects gear that Grendyl's warband lack lol

Ngl Grendyl's troops are so under equipped.

Makes PDF look well-equipped.

[pseudo fiber]

Shits bad on Atoma

[vernal scaffold]

*Because Grendyl is incompetent

[delicate hornet]

i mean its heavily implied all of the veterans in the warband got domed on atoma so it tracks that the warband is underequipped in its current form

[vernal scaffold]

To be fair even vets were wearing the same gear we wear by level 30

[warm harbor]

As for every hive world in the Imperium:
Government fucked shit bad

[vernal scaffold]

And it's usually flak armor, auto or lasguns and occasional plasma guns

Like come on your strike teams wouldn't just die like that if you equipped them on stormtrooper level

Damn you Grendyl

[delicate hornet]

its also implied there r big boi auric operatives that get all the good gear

[vernal scaffold]

Ye, but they released the "auric" cosmetics now

And well...

I mean...

[lusty sapphire]

I can attest to that

[vernal scaffold]

Where are the Scions?!

That's all we need...

[radiant chasm]

Actually we are the auric operatives now so they refer to them a simply operatives above us

The imperial supply chain is fucked and the imperium is spread too thin to send everything to one planet with a half corrupted hive city

[delicate hornet]

sefoni also says in the psykhanium there are a load more ships headed towards atoma so u can headcannon theyre on their way if u really want

[vernal scaffold]

Yeah ik

[radiant chasm]

The operatives above us are probably involved with keeping the underhive contained for now

[vernal scaffold]

Maybe. What about PDF?

21st was just "passing by" and happened to be on Atoma when shit hit the fan

But wasn't there a PDF force on the planet?

I'd assume they are dealing with the lower levels

[pseudo fiber]

I think you see the PDF in the traitors curse trailer/cinematic

[delicate hornet]

imagine a lot of them have been withdrawn to the upper hive to protect the nobles

[vernal scaffold]

HMMM. True.

[lusty sapphire]

First in the meat grinder

[vernal scaffold]

Wasn't it just the 6th?

[pseudo fiber]

The nobles who totally caused this by the way

[delicate hornet]

me when i call in the 6th for a little bit of trolling

[pseudo fiber]

It could have been the 21st but there were no rebreathers.
Up to interpretation

[vernal scaffold]

And even then I'm quite baffled that they say that it's just the 6th, when bombers and Scab Gunners have insignia of what seems to be the 31st Moebian. So I am slightly confused.

[pseudo fiber]

Wouldn't put it past them to lie

They lie about the cult

[delicate hornet]

6th are likely spearheading it as the "main" traitor regiment so far with other regiments falling either on their side or the loyalists

[vernal scaffold]

If I actually understand the chain of events correctly up until the end of Archivum Sycorax we don't even know that the 6th was assisted by the Cult.

[vernal scaffold]

Well from what I was reading 6th weren't the only regiment present in Nox Wars

Also some cosmetics in the game refer to 31st Moebian (which is a stortrooper/scion regiment it seems?)

So likely they just united under the 6th as the finest.

[pseudo fiber]

Maybe we'll get more scab units (I doubt it dregs need more first)

[vernal scaffold]

I agree

Bc I wish there were more just scab and just dreg missions

It'd fit some maps in a narrative perspective

[pseudo fiber]

Dreg sniper - Rouge psyker
Dreg trapper

[vernal scaffold]

Ye, since they added Dreg bomber already

I don't see why not, but also wish they had their own simillar but different spec

That's not exactly trapper maybe

[tame lodge]

Lasso man

[vernal scaffold]

It's something

[somber axle]

Afaik they were dealing with the cultists and requested aid from the 6th not realizing the 6th had turned traitor. When the 6th arrived they probably wiped out most of the PDF

Traitor's Curse cinematic and the intro/original trailer all feature the 21st

The Inquisition was operating in the dark when the Mourningstar arrived and sent 21st Recon teams into the city to figure out what happened. If PDF were alive they were in no position to tell them what happened to Atoma or provide any support

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

[last parcel]

when you call the pdf but they got converted to docx and are now horribly mangled

[somber axle]

The 21st are also who pop out of dropships as we leave maps and are the ones posing with tanks and lasguns at the beginning of some levels

[unique orchid]

Do you guys dress your vet like a common soldier or like warhammer han solo

Ironbrow poll

[tame lodge]

Common soldier
Blue 6th

I like the gas mask culture

[last parcel]

no masks

[unique orchid]

I also fw it, i dress like a green moebian

[last parcel]

get a lungful of this

hnng rodin you smell so good

[unique orchid]

This one commissar, theyre touched by heresy

[tame lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-hold-on-wayment-startled-idris-elba-gif-15124790

[vernal scaffold]

Kasrkin all the way. Wear blue 6th gear occasionally (except torso bc I don't have it). Moebian steel looking good

[arctic rampart]

saw this today on reddit. @somber axle make this one work I dare you

[unique orchid]

I bust out my Bravo company recon helmet every now and again

[somber axle]

I would if I could but I only have a 0% Helbore Mk II

[fossil basalt]

[unique orchid]

Slow Recon is actually kinda banging nowadays

[tame lodge]

Always have been

[pseudo fiber]

Depends on my build

[unique orchid]

Ive been messing with my build recently, leaning into a marksman focus with deadshot on the middle-damage InfLas with camouflage

Shoot stuff in head until die

[midnight totem]

Does anybody know if there is a version of the power sword skin that isn't so, light jungle camo?

[somber axle]

There's some skin called Absolution or something for the power sword but I am at work so I can't share

I have no memory of how different it looks vs the base model

[oblique totem]

New cosmetics look like we're doing historical reinactments

[midnight totem]

All good, I have that one. Different model, but not the one I'm looking for

I'm basically looking for the current model on sale, but black or grey

[visual remnant]

New costmetics look like slo0

Slop

[somber axle]

Sometimes it is nice to see slop because a clown saves money not buying it

[terse idol]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/7bneZh5fAV

I mean eh, opinions

Not bad

Just different

Peg leg Ogryn

[somber axle]

The only time I have ever agreed with a darktide reddit comment is one dude asking for Helbore skins LMFAO

I'm sure Fatshark tracks weapon usage metrics and sees how popular a weapon is to decide on what weapon to make a premium cosmetic for but wow

Revolver has so many cosmetics

The other weapon skins look nice though

[weak hamlet]

Is the 1a still king of the lasguns in terms of DPS ?

[somber axle]

Yes

Mg1a is the best of the Infantry Lasguns for damage but falls behind on ammo economy

IV is basically an infinite ammo gun

XII hits breakpoints easiest for the least investment but falls behind on DPS

[midnight totem]

I am so tempted to buy the vet jacket

I'll never use it though

I just want a dark semiarid tactical power sword skin

not this, light camo bs

why.jpeg

-downloads weapon customization-

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

axes are ugly

[last parcel]

well if you just want the color change you can use for the drip

[midnight totem]

yeah but I want yall to see it too

[last parcel]

post the screenshot url in chat every match

[midnight mesa]

It seems that the machine Spirit is sleeping

[somber axle]

I would love to have a 0% Recon LOL

[last parcel]

same

some people have all the luck

[wise trout]

Cosmetics... We can't even have old ones. Like, zealot, psyker and veteran share most of the hairstyles. And yet...

Blading one with a tuft is available on zealot and psyker, but not on a veteran.

[somber axle]

I'd like new faces and hairstyles

New tattoos

They could sell those as premium cosmetics and make more money

At a certain point people have seen the same recycled hat in the side slot enough times that it's being largely ignored

[midnight mesa]

I would like to have face types that don't look like they're constantly suffering from the little known nurglite disease

[somber axle]

We could also use more tops that show tattoos better

[midnight mesa]

"THE UGLY"

[somber axle]

That would be nice

There are like 2 faces that are ok

And most people use one

[terse idol]

Fatshark are cowards, no shirtless shirt

😭

[wise trout]

I just want a balding head with a tuft for my ultimate Trevor veteran.

[midnight mesa]

Honestly it would be fucking funny to just have like

A regular skirt

/dress

Like imagine seeing a Zealot wearing just an ordinary blue dress

In a combat zone

[last parcel]

[midnight mesa]

Make it pink and frilly roo

[last parcel]

ogryn miniskirt

[midnight mesa]

Most of the Ogyrn clothing is tank tops and such

So make a ballerina outfit

Tbh my HC is that female Ogyrns just look the same as the male ones

For regular people

But for Ogyrns there are like subtle differences that are unmistakable

To them

[terse idol]

Hmmm

[midnight mesa]

And so whenever someone accidentally calls some Ogyrn a female/male

They just look at them with the

"Are you stupid?"

[terse idol]

I could incorporate that into my hc too....

[midnight mesa]

Type of look

"Excuse me sir"

"OI, THAT'S A WO- A FE- A GIRL! ARE YA STUPID?"

[terse idol]

This being the one time Ogryns look at other humans like

[terse idol]

"DAT'S ME WOIF!"

[wise trout]

I need this balding hairstyle. I even reported it not being in the list of vet's hairstyles long ago, but to no avail. Reason? Well. This is him now. But he can't reach his full power...

Without this.

See what I am saying?

[midnight mesa]

Another unrelated Abhuman HC is that Felinds are both the furry and anime cat girl type

Like some are furry

Some are anime cat girl/boys

And it makes the Inquisition have a seizure

Or maybe it's a winter/summer coat thing

[terse idol]

This is rapidly reminding me of Elder scrolls lore, where Khajiit are like anthromorphized cats and some other Khajiit are just cats

But smart

[midnight mesa]

Anime in the summer

Furry in the winter

[midnight mesa]

Elder scrolls 6 will release when Darktide has lots of content, weapon attachments

And even developed QoL features

[terse idol]

I mean itemization update is coming soon, ES6 sounds closer than I thought

[wise trout]

Eh. It will take at least half a year for community to fix Elder Scrolls 6.

[terse idol]

If it plays nice

If they make starfield 2 but ES6 it's joever

[wise trout]

They should've did it.

Telvani space shroomships? Yes please.

[grand perch]

doesnt matter, it'll sell like crazy as usual

people cant not buy bethesda games for some reason

[terse idol]

I thought starfield did terribly

[wise trout]

What? Starfield sold nicely? Huh.

[terse idol]

Maybe I'm misremembering

But I guess it diiiid

I'm coping

[midnight mesa]

Critically yes

Financially no

And tbh companies care more about the latter

[terse idol]

Everyone did buy it even if the reception was god awful

[midnight mesa]

Tbf it sounds awesome

And then you realize it has all the classic Bethesda

Things

[terse idol]

[midnight mesa]

For fucks sake they even downgraded in some instances

For example

Skyrim and Fallout NV had chests underneath the vendors

They actually removed that for FO4

But guess what

It's back in Starfield

For some reason

[somber axle]

Didn't Fallout 76 sell so poorly that it bankrupted them and forced them to sell to Microsoft

[midnight mesa]

Nah the Microsoft deal was going on for a while

[somber axle]

Plus all the legal battles resulting from their marketing team promising special goodies that they couldn't actually make and the fakes they tried to pass off as merch instead made people hunt them down in court

The funny canvas bag problem and the Nuka Cola Dark problem

[midnight mesa]

Even before FO76

Usually deals are proposed years beforehand

[tame lodge]

For exploiting reasons

[terse idol]

Definetly creation engine shenanigans

That or probably crunch time stuff

[wise trout]

Oh yes. Fallout 76 had an awful launch. They fixed it eventually. If you can grab it cheap it's a good fun now, with NPCs and actual storylines and such... And you know the worst part?

[somber axle]

I'm sure they talked about it for a long while. The timing of their next big game falling over hard probably sped up those talks quite a bit

[terse idol]

Bethesdas engines are held together by silly string and the devs gotta work around it

[wise trout]

They release a patch with significant QoL legendary itemization update on september 3.

[somber axle]

FO76 and Starfield both flopping probably hurt them a bunch

[wise trout]

Looking at you here, Darktide.

[terse idol]

People have been poking at how sm2 is gonna kill darktide for a while

There is little overlap between fo76 players and darktide players suffice it to say

What would have been actually bad if in another timeline darktide released near sm2

[somber axle]

I feel like SM2 may cause a slight dip in daily player number because there's definitely overlap but Darktide could have half the current number of players and the servers would still be going

[wise trout]

Dunno. I am not interested in sm2 at all. Space Marines is the least interesting part of 40k to me.

[terse idol]

But that's not the case, darktides already locked in

[terse idol]

Sm2s coop is also just inherently different to daektide

[visual remnant]

Kill it pls

Wake up roundfish

Return from ur vacation

Claim ur birthright

[terse idol]

(But also sm2 max 3 player coop is gonna hurt the coop player count)

[visual remnant]

And descend into the Darkest Devroom

[terse idol]

They already did

[somber axle]

It looks more like a dedicated campaign? Darktide is drop in, drop out matches Left 4 Dead style with something of an overall narrative behind it but generally just as dressing for "get the gas cans/get the ammo packs!"

Plus they have PvP

[terse idol]

At this rate I can't tell, there's probably gonna be small maps, like the tyramid jungle, probably a horde survival mode but

[midnight mesa]

Yeah that's how SM1 went

[visual remnant]

It's like darktides

Like almost exactly

Down to the loading screen before missions

[midnight mesa]

Basically they had a campaign and a multiplayer mode

[visual remnant]

Travel around and interact with gizmos

Fight a boss

Extract

[somber axle]

Fighting the Tyranid hordes looks more like the World War Z game than Left 4 Dead

[visual remnant]

Or just extract in a space marine sized masozi whip

[tall torrent]

For a while on launch prob, after idk

[visual remnant]

Those are the two pve missions atm

[tall torrent]

Azreal said sm2 combat is really easy

[visual remnant]

Saber did make wwz so

[midnight mesa]

Tbh SM1 was a dedicated campaign

Basically you just go from level to level

Fighting Orks

Getting new weapons

And even boss fights

[visual remnant]

Oh u mean the coop campaign

There's pve

[midnight mesa]

Also it convinced me that the scariest thing to see

[visual remnant]

And pvp

[midnight mesa]

Is an Ork going quiet

[visual remnant]

The pve have just the same missions as darktide

Fight through hordes until the end

[midnight mesa]

"I ain't so easy to kill..."

[somber axle]

The tyranid swarms look fun to fight

[visual remnant]

With crescendo events and an isolated story separate from the campaign

[midnight mesa]

Also on an unrelated note

Is that Cyn?

[visual remnant]

Yarp

[midnight mesa]

Noice

Love the Eldritch maid puppet robot

God the murder drones series out of context is like

On drugs

[wise trout]

Eh. Having PvP is nothing. Now if this a fun PvP that doesn't affect PvE balance in a negative way, then maybe.

[somber axle]

Darktide PvP would be fun

Maybe one day

[wise trout]

I doubt it would.

[visual remnant]

It might be

[somber axle]

I would have lots of fun playing a Trapper and hunting down rejects

[visual remnant]

If they handle it like versus in v2

Wont have to worry about bunk ass blessings

But weapons fucking suck without blessings

It'd be a slog to play without them as the players

[somber axle]

Are there even any blessings that would be problematic for PvP

Half the blessings people use are just damage increase and the other half are largely ignored/useless

The only one I can even think of being annoying is Lightning Reflexes on Shock Mauls. If you spawn in as a Rager and run into a player with that it would suck

[last parcel]

give player controlled specials stun resist so falter becomes usefull

[somber axle]

Falter 😔

[last parcel]

what did you expect

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/byee-lolol-gif-13058586

[somber axle]

Exe Stance would probably be very strong for PvP

Squad highlight to see the other team whenever you want

[last parcel]

wallhacks are indeed good

[midnight totem]

Special sniper players would be

Hard to balance

[somber axle]

If sniper shots have the delay before firing it probably would just be a skill issue for rejects

Just dodge

[idle swallow]

You have to hold your cursor over a player for a full second before you can shoot

[somber axle]

But you could do funny mind games with the laser

Point it down a hall to make the rejects think you are on one side

Relocate to a new location

Get a better angle and fire while they're checking down the corridor they just saw the laser coming from

[midnight totem]

Not really. Could just fire and flick the aim over after the delay

[somber axle]

TF2 sniper gameplay...

[midnight totem]

Unless you're locked into your firing target when you click

And can't move

[somber axle]

They can't see the laser if I hold it against a wall and switch to their head as they pass

[midnight totem]

Which, feels terrible

[somber axle]

Could just give it a firing mode

No firing on the move

When you begin aiming you are locked to that position

Make it so even after firing you can't move right away

Add a CD to the shot so it can't be spammed

Give rejects some counterplay

[last parcel]

mising a shot animation locks you into kicking

[somber axle]

PvP would 100% cause everyone on the traitor side to walk up and begin kicking the last downed player

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-milton-jojo-kicking-fight-gif-16647809

Flamer, Sniper and Tox Bomber all kicking the Psyker

It would be really goofy to have a squad of friends

One person as the trapper

As soon as you catch someone everyone rushes out and begins kicking them to death

[midnight totem]

Ledges would become much more deadly

Right now, chaos spawn and muties are coded to try and avoid ledges

[faint beacon]

Players would absolutely take full blown advantage of that

wipes would happen so frequently

They'd probably have to have a system where it doesn't immediately kill from doing that if it was PVP

[somber axle]

Bring back Karma Chargers

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-left-4-dead-2-charger-slam-gif-9096785083919506645

[empty willow]

I'm tired of playing like a plasma trooper, tell me a build on another weapon please

[midnight totem]

Revolver trooper?

Lasgun trooper?

Kreigsman special?

[empty willow]

What is Kreigsman ?

[radiant chasm]

Mk3 headhunter

[midnight totem]

Helbore

Helbore. Your melee doesn't really matter

Helbore only as much as you can

[frank monolith]

Pvp will be so fun imagine being a balwalk and behind you is a poc buster trapper

[somber axle]

Tox Bomber but you just hide and throw grenades so they never get a chance to shoot you

[empty willow]

Used to play on mk vII

[somber axle]

Try Recons

[radiant chasm]

How recent is used to cause mk7 got dmr ified a while back

[empty willow]

Its on my psyker build

[trim steppe]

It's good news that you only need all T3 and T4 blessings to max out weapon mastery, but I regret spending 3 mil ordos buying 75% of the T1 and T2 blessings I was missing over the past 2 weeks.

[somber axle]

You could try the funny Lawbringer horde delete build

[empty willow]

Hmm ,never use shotgun on veteran ,i think ill try it

[umbral scaffold]

dis good ?

[radiant chasm]

No

[tough flower]

Pretty much need brutal momentum on Axes tbh

[somber axle]

Lawbringer is pretty solid for dealing with specials and elites already but if you put Manstopper/Scattershot on it and then get a bit of damage from either Marksman's Focus or from orange buffs you can use the special wide horizontal shot to make entire hordes of poxwalkers evaporate in a single shot

It's funny for how everything just deletes

[radiant chasm]

No good blessing, terrible finesse and only one okay perk

[tough flower]

Oh true I didn't even look at stats

[empty willow]

"take a screenshot"

[last parcel]

take this

[empty willow]

[trim steppe]

This is quite not-good, its a 0/4 with way too low finesse

[midnight mesa]

if you don't have anything else

use it

if you do have something else

sacrifice it for thundering

[umbral scaffold]

is not worth it anymore no ?

since update comming soon ?

[radiant chasm]

Stored blessings are being converted to mastery

[umbral scaffold]

ah

nice

[midnight mesa]

Save high base stat weapons tho

even if they have like

the most ass blessings you have ever seen

[umbral scaffold]

high stats are different from rating yes?

[midnight mesa]

Rating is based on both the modifers and blessings

[terse idol]

It's the issue is that the rashad is very hard to build

You need, Brutal momentum, Headtaker,
Close to Maximum damage stats, +Unarmoured damage

[midnight mesa]

If you have high modifers but shit ass blessings then the rating will suffer

Same for the opposite

But since the itemization update is coming for blessings

save any high modifer weapons

[lavish token]

If you have it built it’s so comically strong

[midnight mesa]

Rashad my beloved

That Reaper over there?

[lavish token]

Needs a nerf

[midnight mesa]

Well now I'm the Reaper

[midnight mesa]

True

But a part of me wants to keep it like this

Because I am selfish

[lavish token]

Brain off gameplay, top damage no matter what

[midnight mesa]

Also this

https://tenor.com/view/shelley-duval-axe-horror-gif-13429223

Me with cultists

[lusty sapphire]

It'll work fine even if you miss the 1 shot breakpoint. It's annoying to get perfect but almost all weapons are

[tough flower]

Yeah it's a funky one

But definitely very good when the stars align

[delicate moat]

are the dogs doing funny things again

[trim steppe]

Base rating is the total score of all the modifiers. So that Rashad you linked is a 322 weapon. The maximum is 380. I'd consider anything over 350 to be a high rating weapon. Personally I have so many weapons at this point that I don't use anything under 370

The total rating of a weapon goes up to 550 and includes your blessing and perk scores. This rating is less meaningful than the base rating

Cuz you can have a T1 blessing that is 95% as good as a T4 blessing but you "lose" like 50 rating points

But 50 base rating is a huge difference in weapon performance

[terse idol]

Me as I'm picky

Not all weapons need perfect stats to like function

Plasma gun is one of the weapons that needs perfect stats, iirc same as the ilas 12

[tall torrent]

Plasma yes, MG12 no

MG12 even on perfect stats doesn’t hit 1 taps without specific stuff

[trim steppe]

Plasma might need perfect stats to hit all BPs but you could use an absolute gutter dwelling plasma gun and obliterate with it, it's just a good weapon

Rashad is actually pretty bad if it's not built right, but a perfect one is one of the best melees in the game

[umbral scaffold]

does anyone have a example of a good melee ?

stats wise ?

[trim steppe]

Are you talking about a Rashad or something else

[umbral scaffold]

in general i guess

i just want to learn what to look for

[trim steppe]

Different weapons need different stats. Generally you want to max everything and dump mobility down to 51%

Damage and first target damage are usually the most important stats, followed by penetration and finesse

[umbral scaffold]

is the 361 better ?

[trim steppe]

I don't use shovel much. I'd probably choose the 374 cuz all the damage stats are above 70. The other's 49% pen feels too low

Defence is usually a dump stat too, alongside mobility

[umbral scaffold]

i see

thank you

[terse idol]

[twin ingot]

374 Penetration is a damage modifier too

[twin ingot]

If it doesn't then go use the M1a and headtap the heretics

[ocean idol]

EU

US always are hobbos in gaming

So what is the point of VId if is really ammo inefficient and does not have highest dps? What is the point of highest rof without highest dps?

[ocean idol]

Also collateral damage for ranged

[last parcel]

the collateral stat on guns is not damage. it's just stagger and can be dumped

[ocean idol]

wat, it is direct damage multiplier

or at least used to

unless they changhed it

[last parcel]

that's stopping power

[ocean idol]

ah

Right

[somber axle]

It can actually use Onslaught and get noticeable value from it to kill Crushers and make it the only Recom variant worth aiming at Mauler heads for Headhunter/Shock Trooper synergy

It can go longer firing at multiple targets between reloads to sustain better uptime for damage

It fires fast enough to stagger/suppress targets too including being able to break a Bulwark shields from the front but do not shoot at Bulwark shields it is still a bad idea LOL

[last parcel]

tldr meme gun

[somber axle]

It tackles armour better but drinks ammo faster

[tall torrent]

The point is to use 7a

[ocean idol]

what is onslaught

[somber axle]

Talent in bottom right tree that gives 2.5% brittleness to a target up to a max of 16 stacks or 40% total. It can only apply to one target at a time but it drops Crushers and Maulers into being baby mode

It's a bit of a talent tax to get it though

[ocean idol]

i remember there was a guy who used it in some weird build to kill crushers quickly

may be it was you lmao?

[somber axle]

Yeah that was me LOL

[ocean idol]

i think i like it the most

[somber axle]

I was doing it before Recons were buffed

It still does it now but better

Damage wasn't buffed but mag size and fire rate jumped so it's even more fun magdumping into a squad of Crushers

It's extra funny if you commit to Weapon Specialist and use the extra ranged attack speed on swap to make the fastest fire rate in the game even faster

[ocean idol]

So i calculated dps some random ass recons in my inventory
1038 - 7a
1180 - 6d
1066 - 2

Difference seem to be negligible

[crude fiber]

Blue stim Chad's stay winning

[somber axle]

Yeah it is pretty negligible for the most part

Celerity stim + Weapon Specialist + Recon Mk VId to see how fast your gun can go empty burning holes through the heads of everything in sight

[ocean idol]

I really need to get this headhunter, but this gun is too good

[crude fiber]

Run dead shot to empty your stam

[somber axle]

I had a really funny Maelstrom run recently with a Double Barrel Shotgun Vet, Staff Smiteker and Shieldgryn. It was nice being able to eat most of the ammo on the map and just shoot everything I wanted to

[ocean idol]

it seems to me though that there is little reason to use anything but 6d

It has same dps, but way better against hordes

And feels easier to headshot with

[somber axle]

Mk II has the best ammo economy by far. If you lean into your ranged weapon a lot and often find yourself orange or red on a VIIa or VId, you should know you would probably be able to do the same thing on the II but still be yellow on ammo at the same point in a match

If you lean primarily into melee combat then you'll barely notice the difference in ammo economy

[ocean idol]

hmmm, i see

i gotta try 2

i am surprised to see that i have only 1 of that recon, and even that is not orange

so i never actually tried it

how that build for recons?

[somber axle]

I would skip Longshot, Exhil Takedown and Counterfire to use elsewhere

Otherwise it looks solid

I would only use Deadshot on the II and VIIa

VId has a fire rate too high to make Deadshot worth imo

Even with three +3 Stam curios

You'll end up hip firing most times or you'll be 0 Stam when a poxburster sneaks up on you

[ocean idol]

definitely can take duck and divve, but counterfire feels too useful on auric

I keep seeing rooms of like 50 shooters

ev ery room

1 ult allows to clear all or most of them

[ocean idol]

I prefer 7 over 6, and works fine on 7. Going to try 2 now

hmm, pretty good for very first roll

[somber axle]

Shooters tend to be very weak and easy to kill. Exe Stance is a bit overkill for clearing them tbh. Counterfire is mainly for the synergy with Relentless to maintain uptime through fights but Aurics have always felt like the constant stream of elites and specials are more than enough to keep it going when you need it active

[ocean idol]

replace infernus or good enough?

[clear lantern]

donate to hadron and obtain blessing

[ocean idol]

I will donate your liver

I already have infernus 4

[somber axle]

Change Infernus to Dum Dum and Sprint to Flak. Crit is ok. Headhunter III is also ok. Infernus III is noticeably weaker vs Infernus IV

[clear lantern]

it would be a good donation, my liver is exceptionally healthy

[ocean idol]

Can replace it with 4

[clear lantern]

sure you can, it's a crit build, have fun

[somber axle]

Dum Dum is generally better damage vs most targets. Infernus is ok but outclassed at most ranges after close range damage was redefined to be 100% damage up to 12.5m instead of 8m and now goes up to 40-ishm instead of 30m. The majority of ranges you fight at will have Dum Dum doing more damage. Toward the further end Infernus catches up and then outpaces it but fights at those extreme ranges are rare and tend to be against targets like Snipers who are already easy to kill or against distant Gunners/Reapers who will be advancing toward you anyway

But like

Infernus is REALLY fun

It's not bad

And it is very satisfying to light a target on fire and "feel" they will die so you stop shooting and 1-2 seconds later they burn to death while you have moved on to the next target

Sometimes you get a short burst into a Pox Hound as it runs around a corner and even though it survives the shots it burns to death before it can circle back around

[ocean idol]

it most cases they will be killed by your team

so effort is wasted

[somber axle]

Usually yeah but I really love the odd moment when a target "escapes" only to end up in the kill feed anyway LOL

[muted prairie]

lads, what do i do with this thing?

[thorn lark]

You can wait

[fierce tiger]

I would add +25% Maniac dmg at least. 🙂 Only one month to wait until you can improve it as you please

[idle swallow]

piss and shid pant

[delicate hornet]

id replace terrifying barrage with surgical (basically guaranteed crits) and stamina to maniac/carapace

[muted prairie]

tyty

[delicate hornet]

itemization drops in under a month so its worth keeping regardless

[ocean idol]

i noticed 2 has way better hipfire than 7

[faint beacon]

This match was something

I spent like 3 minutes having to solo a Horde + Plogryn

[ocean idol]

what build?

[faint beacon]

Agri IX + Taxe 4

[gilded rock]

God I fucking love hound/mutant modifiers. God I fucking love four ability uses in ten seconds

[tawny badger]

chastise the wicked enjoyers when the maelstrom got reduced ability cooldowns

[gilded rock]

Chastise the wicked enjoyers when crit cdr nerf

[tawny badger]

did they fix chastise the wicked on chain weapons at least

[somber axle]

Being forced to solo just means you're forcing the team to see you be cooler than all three of them combined

[idle swallow]

That was basically the nerf, it only applies the CDR once per swing on any melee now

[tawny badger]

alternatively, forcing the team to watch you get digested by a beast of nurgle

[tawny badger]

damn :(

[delicate hornet]

cant wait to not move

[somber axle]

Triple HP curios, triple corruption resist, triple hound resistance. Wait for the team to die then let a hound pounce you at 100% HP and make them all wait 10 minutes for you to die

[clear lantern]

when the sword requires strong stance

[clear lantern]

put a medpack down and stand next to it

[somber axle]

Let the hound pounce you on the medpac and bonus points for having field improv

[supple stag]

Zealot chat was supposed to contain the degeneracy

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/locked-in-locked-in-here-with-me-locked-up-in-jail-gif-12364350

[somber axle]

Me to the pox hound

[tawny badger]

letting a hound pounce on you? nah get netted

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-left-4-dead-2-charger-slam-gif-9096785083919506645

[tawny badger]

oh wait no

wait isn’t there a trapper resist curio

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-can-do-this-all-day-avengers-endgame-marvel-gif-15551087

[tawny badger]

I don’t remember this part of TADC

[somber axle]

A flamer or bomber could spawn and ruin it. Or poxwalkers could decide to look at you like a pinata. It's kinda weird though that being netted makes nearby enemies ignore you and then other times they beat you to death

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/sickos-sicko-haha-yes-creeper-gif-25057805

[tawny badger]

poxbursters

poxbursters just be doin too much

you can get swallowed by a nurgle beast, all other enemies ignore you except that mf

[gilded rock]

The director very often treats me like a rebellious oldest child so sometimes instead I get 20 dreg ragers and ten crushers at once with twice that in various specials

I have a 6 and a half minute clutch attempt that genuinely left me despondent for a few minutes after

[somber axle]

Yeah sometimes it gets like that and it's even funnier when it spawns them in front AND behind you to limit your angles of kiting

It feels smarter than it is sometimes with how it tries to corner you

Maybe you can kite forever but now there's a wall of meat and metal coming from almost every angle you can see. If you can't find a hole, you have to make one. If you can't make a hole, they will bury you in one

[muted gorge]

Ive had people tell me its just a difference of teamates, but i swear to the emperor sometimes the director just goes insane and makes a heresy match harder than a hi intense damnation

with how much shit it spawns

[gilded rock]

Yeah for real

[inland orchid]

when u give the director the resources to cook

he WILL cook

[gilded rock]

Sometimes it really wants you dead

Like REALLY wants you dead

Back to back perfect disruption combos, making ragers fall behind crushers before you can kill them, etc.

[inland orchid]

too much in one area? behold as he sends 4 bombers and a trapper to keep u on your toes

[gilded rock]

Or just spawning a second dog out of thin air right before you get a teammate revive

[tawny badger]

two poxbursters back-to-back

[somber axle]

Iirc the ai director is smart and tracks progress/kills/HP during a mission against the mission timer. If a team is doing particularly well it amps up the nonsense until the team stops doing particularly well. And that usually means overwhelming a team to the point of either causing a wipe or killing some of the squad

Keep in mind this is just what I've heard

Take it with a grain of salt

Because I could be talking out of someone else's ass LOL

[gilded rock]

My bro was in call trying to hype me up and talk me through while I was playing at the time and he's like "chill you got this" and I'm just

[somber axle]

I did not verify any of it

[gilded rock]

I am exactly as stressed as I need to be man

[somber axle]

Papa Nurgle sends his goofiest battles for his silliest clowns

[somber axle]

The rot can try to consume me when I have triple HP curios, triple HP perks, corruption resist and both 5% HP talents to become a mini-Ogryn

[muted gorge]

I love this meme

[gilded rock]

This made me wonder how silly psyker KD blocking can get

What is the most amount of crusher overheads you can theoretically block

[inland orchid]

2, i think

last i played psyker i was able to deflect one

there wasnt a 2nd crusher tho so my reasoning may be flawed

[somber axle]

I kinda want to see what the max possible HP on Vet is

Can you get more HP than a default Ogryn

[midnight totem]

No

How much does default big man have? 300?

[somber axle]

21% x3 curios, 5% x3 perks, 5% x2 talents for 63 + 15 + 10 = 88%

88% of 150 Vet base HP is 132 so at best you can get 282 HP yeah?

[midnight totem]

1.88 x 150

[somber axle]

just short

[midnight totem]

Yeah

[somber axle]

The toughest Vet will always be weaker than the weakest Ogryn

[midnight totem]

Tough in spirit, if not health

[somber axle]

This is the true way to make a team suffer

Ogryn with HP curios, HP perks, corruption resist perks, hound resist perks and get pounced while you're the last one standing

[midnight totem]

Pfft

You can't stop my ultimate weapon

ALT F4

Glory to him on Terra -deletes self-

[somber axle]

Ogryn has a 5% HP talent node and a 10% HP talent node for even MORE HP too

The anti wipe Ogryn

If everyone dies then they get pounced and wait for someone to disconnect

[midnight totem]

That sounds wrong

[somber axle]

Then they last until someone new joins

[midnight totem]

Sounds like a plague ogryn

[somber axle]

It's flawless

[midnight totem]

"Anti wipe"

[somber axle]

Ogryn is here to eat the entire medpac

[midnight totem]

Too many bad rations

Turn into plague ogryn

[somber axle]

93% of 300 is 279 so you could have 579 HP as an Ogryn

Almost enough to fit 2 Ogryns inside the one really healthy Ogryn

[austere pine]

a damn tragedy

[somber axle]

Maybe they are running the Zealot equivalent of symmetrical

[silent magnet]

Any good Helbore builds?

[somber axle]

Depends on which variant you're running and what abilities/perks

[radiant chasm]

weight of fire+ surgical. shocktrooper

deadshot can work and will shave off 2-3 surgical stacks you'd have to wait for

[silent magnet]

That's what I'm asking for

Anything current that yall are running

[radiant chasm]

mk3 is the slowest and has a unique bayonet

[silent magnet]

gameslantern link or whatver

[radiant chasm]

mk2 is the fastest, and mk1 is the middle ground

we don't do gameslantern here it's kinda shit for a build congregation

[silent magnet]

I'm familiar with the different guns and their perks I'm just curious what we like to use for ability synergy

[somber axle]

I have 2 talent trees I use for the Helbore Mk II

[silent magnet]

Ah fair I just like how it lays out the trees, makes it easy to copy

I asked here because I'm sure most of the gameslantern builds are outdated or not very good

[silent magnet]

wanna post em? 👀

[somber axle]

I am not home but I can try to make them from memory

[silent magnet]

Ic

[tawny badger]

hellbore— 😴

[silent magnet]

I think it’s funny

I know it’s not the best competitively but it’s funny

Right now I’m specced into crits nades and the stormtrooper nodes for infinite ammo

And I’ve been swapping between VOC and Invis

[somber axle]

I remember the Helbore Mk II has important breakpoints to meet for Dreg Gunner and both Flamers that usually requires both Maniac and Unarmoured perks to work. But you can set up the tree to hit both breakpoints and then grab Carapace for a perk instead. Then you can drop the number of shots per Crusher from 5-7+ down to 2-4 shots depending on stats, Exe Stance or other ability and what orange buffs you pick (Marksman, For the Emperor, Close Quarters Kill Zone)

It ends up really goofy and you can even reach a 1HKO breakpoint against Crushers if you run that build and find a combat stim iirc

The 1HKO only lasts for the 5 sec of For the Emperor though

The non-Exe Stance build I run uses Agile Engagement and bayonet stabs to help hit breakpoints

Because Infiltrate and Low Profile are just too fun

[midnight totem]

Alrighty

You up for a game Sneaky?

[somber axle]

I am at work still unfortunately

[midnight totem]

np

anybody else?

[somber axle]

I'm just doing a little more fucking around than I should and hoping I don't find out

LOL

[midnight totem]

omg I forgot to set retainers in ffxiv

one sec

Kay

I''m gettin' on now I'll be in strike team....

7

[austere pine]

how tf do i build a bolter

[cedar imp]

I would advise going for the DMR playstyle since its ammo efficiency aint crazy in that department tho. You might need nodes like Longshot, Executioners stance, Deadshot, Marksman focus to hit specific breakpoints against multiple targets

[lusty sapphire]

Never not use pinning on bolter

[austere pine]

i want to kill bosses and chew bubblegum, and i'm all out of bubblegum

[lusty sapphire]

I will shame you for it

[cedar imp]

Fair, you could get a +25-20% Unyielding damage

perk

[austere pine]

legit i want it for the twins mission

[lusty sapphire]

It's still better than cavalcade

[cedar imp]

You could use Focus target and Bring it down in it

[austere pine]

i might go turn myself into corpsestarch

[cedar imp]

oof

that is

something..

MOBILITY 38% ON TOP OF IT?

[austere pine]

i swear to fuck

[cedar imp]

put that thing in tha garbage rn

[austere pine]

game really wants me to go for a slow playstyle

[crimson pebble]

Holy cooked

[austere pine]

but why when i have revolver

[somber axle]

Just swap the perks. The blessings are fine

[austere pine]

ii want to kill bosses

all i wanna do

not pick specialists

i have a revolver for that

[somber axle]

Because magdumping a boltgun full auto into a boss is fun?

[austere pine]

yes but i need my build to be a magdump one

[somber axle]

Change specialists to Unyielding and Poxwalkers to Carapace or Elite I guess?

[austere pine]

i need the boltgun to be a magdump one

[delicate hornet]

magdump bolter kinda sucks in its current state

[austere pine]

i'm asking for a way to get it, not if it's good

i'm a slave to revolver and Ia lasgun nothing else will ever top those two in my mind

[lusty sapphire]

Yes it's true but getting 25% extra power is very easy on it

[austere pine]

man fuck it i'm gonna use a ciag

or my cracked agri iag

not getting much better

[cedar imp]

Im a Colomnus 5 enjoyer, we aint the same

[austere pine]

i got bored

horde? shoot. boss? shoot. carapace? grenade or psword.

but i like big bullets

[delicate hornet]

its not as magdumpy but plasma is fun for handling monstrosity and carapace

[cedar imp]

Idk sniping guns in this game could use some buffs

I would settle for a more snipey but less explosive colomnus 5

[austere pine]

sniping is just not a thing and won't be unless they add proper scopes

agri 1

brother

or sister

[cedar imp]

Brotha

[austere pine]

or graia for that matter

[lusty sapphire]

Sniping as in high precision 1 shot 1 kill weapons

[cedar imp]

hummmmmm

[lusty sapphire]

The headhunters for example

[delicate hornet]

yeah agri1 is very good for picking with a iag

nice pierce on it as well

[lusty sapphire]

Which the vraks 7 could be

[austere pine]

as in big gun with little ammo that's there to aim at an enemy with pinpoint accuracy from across the map

[lusty sapphire]

It's missing just a lil bit of oomf

[austere pine]

vraks 7 is nice but lasgun Ia outshines it in everything

[cedar imp]

I found some people doing good with Agri one, but idk if its the lack of gaming with it or it needs proper perks and blessings for breakpoints but hummmmmm

[austere pine]

it has about 40 more dase damage than ciag

[delicate hornet]

i mean u whack dumdum on it and u shoot shit it doesnt rely on breakpoints too much

[lusty sapphire]

Grenadier gauntlet from ogryn

[austere pine]

ogryn
yeah i'm not playing that

[cedar imp]

Wait does agri 1 has stripped down tho

[delicate hornet]

it does, i usually run it

[austere pine]

yes don't play stripped down i beg

[cedar imp]

I wont stop it

[delicate hornet]

only really useful for histg tho

[cedar imp]

Until they stop making deez gunners do 1000 damage for no reason at all

[lusty sapphire]

Dodge

[delicate hornet]

dodge slide op

[cedar imp]

Doesnt matter to dodge, if its automatic fire and theres like 10 of them in different angles

Their damage is too much 1 or 1000 and I despise them with every single cell of my soul

Enemies that just hits your toughness for free that easily is meh to me

[terse idol]

Just take gunner res

[delicate hornet]

stripped down+duck and dive is funny to just infinitely run around in gunner fire

[cedar imp]

Doesnt matter

[terse idol]

Well ACTUHALLY it does

[cedar imp]

Gunner res only applies to Elite gunners

[terse idol]

Means you have time to find cover

Yeah

You're speaking of the little gunnersss

[lusty sapphire]

You mean shooters give you problems?

[terse idol]

I mean, they'll chip ya down sure.
this is why I run ilas with an emphasis on tanking bullets and killing every gunner on the map

I don't blame you for having troubles, they're annoying if they're just spread out enough

[cedar imp]

Absolutely, its weird to me that one guy hits you with 3 bullets and it removes 3/4 of your toughness

[hollow turtle]

Lol Ventilage Purge always has me bringing my exe stance veteran specifically for killing all shooters and gunners.

[cedar imp]

Right now gunners are too much either 0 damage or 1000 damage imo, they need to do damage more consistently with less crazy spikes

Also supression is a terrible mechanic that works against you on both ends

So for that matter, in any build I have, I invalidate gunners because I despise their design

[terse idol]

I don't feel that damage personally, for me it's more like
I'm sitting for a good 39 seconds taking shots from a squad of shooters then die

[lusty sapphire]

There are no crazy spikes. Set dmg to toughness only. Set dmg to health, i honestly don't see them being inconsistent. They are weak alone, and strong in packs

[terse idol]

Rarely will regular gunners just 100-0 you

[delicate hornet]

are u actively dodging through shooter/gunner fire? if ur just standing about out of cover its gonna punish u but otherwise theyre pretty manageable

[lusty sapphire]

The iframes from slide dodging are kinda op no joke

[delicate hornet]

the dodge distance increase is also wild, can get u out of a lot of danger

[cedar imp]

Im actively sliding and also dont have as much hard of a time than what my rant can make you think of it

I just hate that damage seems to spike to hard at times

[austere pine]

game decided to drop 5 trappers in the tox-gas gauntlet of orthus offensive

[lusty sapphire]

It spikes cause there's a bilion of them shooting while you're fighting horde and it makes sense

[cedar imp]

Any recommendations of blessings on Agrapina 1?

[cedar imp]

Nahhhhh, Im talking about that random non-elite gunner that hits 3 shots and removes 3/4 of my Psykers toughness Might I add with 2 toughness curio

[delicate hornet]

dumdum basically mandatory, then up to u whether u prefer deathspitter or something like stripped down

psyker has little toughness damage reduction iirc which might contribute

[lusty sapphire]

That's cause psyker has shit dmg resistance and shit toughness + health

On vet I barely feel ranged shots for example

[cedar imp]

I mean that is obvious x)

[delicate hornet]

vet has so much tdr and gold toughness is stupid powerful

[austere pine]

i've played way too much of infiltrate and exe stance lasgun to understand what the problem with ranged is

[lusty sapphire]

I'm saying it cause that's a big part of it. Vet and zealot get tons of dr

Psyker is kind of a joke in that regards

[cedar imp]

Iron will, + high base toughness, + Shout + stripped down + Duck and dive + 10% toughness damage reduction + damage reduction on more allies in coherency node IS A HELL OF A DRUG

[lusty sapphire]

Glass cannon if you will

[austere pine]

shout kekw

[cedar imp]

As it should, but it shouldnt be a 3 shots from a regular gunner non-elite kind of thing

Since yknow theres like 30 of them sometimes x)

[delicate hornet]

u can usually set up psyker to have really good toughness regen capabilities and it also has fast stamina regen to keep up movement to help avoid damage

[cedar imp]

Yeah I think its something that is plausible with gun psyker

[lusty sapphire]

The thing is psyker also has probably the easiest on demand toughness generation

[cedar imp]

Wowowowow, Shout vet with CDR + Cooldown reduction on Specialist kill coupled with kill confirmed?

[delicate hornet]

how to never die in auric maelstrom x)

[cedar imp]

I mean thats my current build, lets just say its very rare I take more than 200 damage

Shout vet with CDR is an absolute joke

[lusty sapphire]

True but apart from that non depending on cooldowns/skills it's just you use your peril

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s mettle has no internal cooldown

[cedar imp]

My build is disgusting

[tall torrent]

U can quite literally get 100% of ur toughness back in 1 hit

[cedar imp]

What is psyker mettle already?

Toughness on crit?

[delicate hornet]

+movement speed

[tall torrent]

Gain 5% toughness on crit and +move speed (stacks)

Trauma crit hit 10 enemies? Return 50% toughness instantly

[cedar imp]

Then how you get all of it in 1 hit?

[delicate hornet]

mfw 1 point investment

[cedar imp]

Fair but isnt like the max crit chance in the ballpark of 30% with all buffs in the tree and blessings on the staff?

[lusty sapphire]

On crit hits

If the crit attack hits multiple ppl you get 5% every hit

[cedar imp]

Noice

[lusty sapphire]

Trauma, blaze, void, surge they all benefit immensely from it if you build crit

And you can go gunpsyker with scrier's too and benefit immensely from it

[cedar imp]

Bro gun psyker is nuts lmao

damage is insane

[lusty sapphire]

Columnus has what a 4 hit crit chain?

Instant 20% toughnes

[tall torrent]

You’re not limited to hitting only 10 enemies with trauma, and psyker usually also takes peril toughness & soulstealer

Psyker is the only class that usually takes 3 toughness gain talents

[cedar imp]

Yeah base toughness is so low

Ill see someday but I have a hard time with Psyker, I am a person that loves working with mobility and strong defense and its glass cannonny nature gives me a hard time loving it

I specialize more in repositionning, hunting specialists and other priority targets, I feel like psyker has more limitations and has to respect everything's space more for a better ceiling of dps tho

[radiant chasm]

didn't columnus crit chain just hit a nerf

[tame lodge]

Yeah, from 4 to 3

[tall torrent]

Knife & blaze trauma

Pretty fun

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/koshi-torako-shikanoko-my-deer-friend-nokotan-dancing-girl-dance-gif-11199697744157962721

[tawny badger]

1 wound psyker

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/mood-dance-russiankiddance-club-dancevibe-gif-21421102

[lusty sapphire]

Ride or die

No extra wounds

Like god emperor intended

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/malhir-gif-22241890

[somber axle]

Psyker base crit is 7.5%
5% crit aura
5% crit talent node
Scriers Gaze 20%
5% crit weapon perk

Before you look at blessings or whatever crit chance weapons have you can achieve 42.5% crit yeah?

Then you get funny things like true aim that just give you a crit every 5 weak spot hits

Warp Nexus is another 20% crit depending on peril too

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/izEPOx16oePbU-61-/d1337DcLmKhw?invite=cr-MSxuczcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

My favorite passtime

[umbral scaffold]

Kinetic deflection + RMB

[lusty sapphire]

So you can even push them with shovels?

How does that even work

[inland orchid]

weapon specialist gaming

thats all

peep the buffs he got durin the push

[austere mica]

Thats a tac axe

[lusty sapphire]

I just noticed

Lol

[crude fiber]

Do we know if weapons received before the update will also have locks and limits removed?

[inland orchid]

yes, it’s stated in the teaser video that exactly that will happen

“Locks will be picked” to steal the quote

[radiant chasm]

tbf, it will more like 2.5 mill

because the potential system means everything from 300-370 has a cahnce to be bis

yes, but when you are level 30, your lowest mod score is usually 300 is what i was refering to mb

[cedar imp]

POG

[cedar imp]

You add block efficiency which also stacks kekw

Now you add stamina regen and a +3 stamina curio and you can parry god itself

[crude fiber]

Will you be able to "upgrade" curios? Bring a +2 stam to +3, etcetera?

[atomic zephyr]

man every single one of my builds mains the middle tree, besides the one i forced for melee

[crude fiber]

Will they fix the fake +3 stam from below 76 rated stam curios? If it hasn't already been fixed

[radiant chasm]

i believe it has iirc, or it works in psykanium but not live games i odnt memmber

they know about it tho

[crude fiber]

[faint beacon]

Tactical Axe

special on headshot staggers them

[junior needle]

I hate the fat shark

Keeps the exact same problem in for "player retention"

[crude fiber]

It won't be AS bad since you can potentially upgrade a weapon out of being stat bricked

[junior needle]

You can upgrade it, but how much you can upgrade in a stat is still randomly determined

So you STILL have to check the gacha shops over and over

It's an improvement, but they should've done away with that

[oblique totem]

Are the mods worth it?

[somber axle]

wait so weird question

[last parcel]

moderate this

[somber axle]

can you upgrade beyond 80%