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yeah, I don't use knife so just cut & paste the guide

but executor (on mk6) or flesh tearer can help
is the xii the heaviest one? the blue lasgun is just weak enough to miss a lot of breakpoints for me without marksmans focus
yes
Xii is the heavy
i dont mind the "lower" dps if it means i only take one shot to headshot a flamer at 10 meters
They're actually really close overall across the context of a whole mission
yeah, like i said they're just preference, I used to use nearly exclusively the middle-tier lasgun
green paint
if you want to one-shot a flamer why not use zerona or plasma?
Second to second, the xii will give you the one shots on those that you're chasing while iv and ia will clear rooms slightly faster
because the infantry lasgun doesn't use 30% of its ammo to shoot a scab trapper and some trash behind it, I like to sit back a bit and snipe general shooters and lots of specials at midrange
the zarona is like your close range hand cannon to remove one big target
plasma gun is beefy but you kinda have to use it sparingly, or at least it seemed to be the point before it got changed to venting toughness instead of health
If you get really into the xii, might also consider the lighter hellbores
IAG should be stronger if you want to mow down medium range targets
though recon VLD sounds awesome
i prefer infantry lasguns to the recons because of the reverse damage falloff
after a certain range you start one tapping a lot of stuff or halving breakpoints
of course depending on the blessings the recons just stack a ton of damage fast
this is a certified infantry lasgun moment
but seriously on certain maps if you dont have a guy who can efficiently take down shooters you're gonna feel the pain
like the hourglass
take ghost/exhilarating takedown. marksmans focus or executors stance with counterfire
the world is your shooting gallery
with marksmans focus max stacks you start doing like 6x headshot damage
bring precision strikes of course
I usually melee them to death
this one wasnt actually a great example, the times where its important you dont really think about clipping
yeah but you have to get close first and im not using knife revolver
id rather just get rid of them
yeah I use mk3 power sword and slide at them
on relay station trs150 in the hourglass is a really good time to have a lasgun
weapon specialist and 70+% mobility on it makes it not so bad
right after the fan event when you head out onto that balcony there's always a ton of shooters walking around
I usually stay up there and spend some time cleaning them up because there's always some kind of horde or boss when you drop
Bolter purging goes brrrrrr
i like the bolter but i hate trying to shoot something and the aim gets all jerky even when im standing still
ive been trying to use the powersword without power cycler and i think im gonna swap slaughterer for wrath just so i can deal with hordes more efficiently
sunder is cool but without power cycler it just takes too long to charge up
and the sword cleaves like 4 guys
i always come back to the catachan it can do everything except deal with 4 carapace at once
when i have to deal with that i dump all my grenades or run away because all my teammates are using revolvers
and knvies
or axes
how many enemies total is that
Auric Damn
play it on zealot n hipfire is my advice
i dont wanna play zealot
too bad
and when you wanna use it on zealot is when its the worst time
I do
because you whip it out point blank
which is cool
but then it doesnt explode anything
because you're too close
you dont have to point blank it
if anything thats vet that has to do that if you hipfire, not zealot
I hip fire mine and end the rounds with like 70% accuracy most of the time
I dont aim down sights at all really
i use it with executor stance and crouch hipfire or single fire at ragers or something
it takes like 3-4 headshots to down a crusher and at that point ill just use the extra 3 bullets to knock over everyone around him
idk, I use melee on almost everything but specialists
that is what most people do
i like to use my gun any time im not getting swarmed
im good in melee i just have more use with my build sniping specialists rushing my teammates than standing next to them
if the ogryn is at a chokepoint swining his club through 12 guys at once if i shoot and kill an enemy near him im adding stacks of marksmans focus to myself and giving him a damage boost and toughness
or i can pop a trapper or some shooters that snuck behind him
Fair weather stuff is fun and all
if you ever feel safe in quickplay
know that i'm out there
Sure, I'll check for any Uwunese speaker 
Not gold on plasteel
that's the real scary part
I have played with you once or twice i think
My vets name is "Canderous" after Canderous Ordo from Knight of the Old Republic

Its been so long since I played without using scoreboard blocking the victory screen, this just looks good.
how does scoreboard even work
i pick up more plasteel than everyone
my combat score is highest
i stayed in coherency
total score: 50
like huh
how bad is stopping power being a dump stat here ?
most people disable score for that reason
bad bad
ok ty
Pretty bad that’s your adms for everything besides unarmored and infestrd
OK hear me out : this with deadshot actually fucks, the damage in the meat grinder is pretty crazy
I'm just not sure about the +dmg to flak
flak is required for a bunch of breakpoints IIRC but it is a swappable spot for you so you could try maniac instead if so desired
I'd keep flak personally just because it will help for bodyshotting Maulers and putting down Flak Rager squads easier
Show a scoreboard u got
Will the next update fix this. The new crafting system?
Probably, will have to see what tmr’s trailer tells us tho
By the emperor. Hopefully.
How High Can I get the modifiers? Spent like 500k dockets and thats the best I can get it.
U mean rn? Or after itemization update
Highest is 550
After, still 550
But pretty sure every weapon item can go to 550 after update
Holy hell 550. Ive not seen one before
They are very rare not all 550 are useful.
I have only 1 weapon with 550 but stars are bad and have 2 level 4 blessing that are not too useful
which did you hate the most
Saw in reddit the new update will be released later?
trailer for it is coming out tmrw
+800 hrs and i havent completed the last 2 penances of vet
On watch and ammo penance
Need to get zealot speedrun penance
The one you unit to mantain executioner for 20 s?
And loner penance
No the killing 2500 with the keystone on 10 stacks
Maintaining exec stance for 20 seconds was easy as hell
Yeah thst is a pain
I dont like vet keystones so forcing myself to use that was annoying
For me was rhe most difficult and the grenade penance
Mk4 lasgun eased it up
I did it with bolter
That sounds like making it harder on purpose
I just used mg la lasgun with 20 sec one
Never needed to reload while doing it
I challenge myself to do it with bolter.
Archivum sycorax High intensity was the key to completed
Why you dont like keystones?
I have seen many players saying the same
They're expensive
Vet has so many places for skill point usage
2 out of 3 ability skills have further 4 side upgrades to make them better
Then grenade skills preferably
And iron will
Unless i go purely straight lane of one tree
I wont be able to afford them
Especially the weapon specialist
Why it it 6 skill points for all of its talents
Zealots own need just 2-3 at best
Psykers warp siphon is in same boat
5 skillpoints
From left to right:
1- gives damage: allowing to 1 shot many enemies and gives you support, yeah it needs at least 3 points
2-gives you targeted damage/boss damage and support (toughnesd to party)
3- gives you survivality
the mark keystone is honestly really fun to use
Tagging is only one where you get away with 3 skill points
But weapon specialist
My god
Why
Not nevesary st least, mid keystone only need 2 points, core and upu can choose between toughnes, damage or increase core keystone
The right and left keystone i agree is expensive need at least 3 points
Mid ones true they're fine enough
Its just the keystones where its problem
Mid tree is hilariously cheap
You just get 1 side of voc
Exec stance? 4 and key stone another 3
My favorite, i mostly play as a support unit, has good synergy with perk that replenish toughnessto allies
wep spec isnt really expensive
its just that ppl take really long paths to get to it
because of vet tree reasons
the base keystone is good on its own
Ar least wit executioner you only need the perk thst gives regenarate 1 point,not neccesarily need all the perks of the Keystone.
I have a build using an acatran and i use executioner keystone, core and the perk that replenish 1 point, only need 2 points
If anything wep spec is the cheapest one in my eyes looking at just keystone cost
taking focus or marksman without nodes feels pointless to me
Exec stance i always take outline ranged and extension on kill
Overall the imbalance comes from ults for the most part
If i could afford id take highlight to teammates
exe and infiltrate have 4 nodes
and the nodes aren't even that interesting its just tax
But only need 1 node
Infiltrate core and 1 skill more node
Highlight ogryns is greatest joke of all
If you cant spot them out from range
I can only say sorry
Exactly, i think that some perk are not so useful is waste of perk.
Yes they can help but no completeky necesary
can you find the ogryn in this picture?
way back right
It's more for if you want to refresh exe stance off them over trying to see them. Though I'm not sure whyd you want that over every ranged enemy

I cant say for vent purge
its a trick question because the real answer is to not take exe stance
exe stance is fire
Damn I sure love a weapon swap on cooldown
VOC is VOC and I don't care for infiltrate
I wonder how they could improve this ult
infil pretty gooood
I wish infil had some side upgrade to let you do shots without breaking stealth
Like in vt2
Exe + Focus target with DB 😌
I did exactly the same thing. I removed scoreboard to take advantage of character poses at the end of the mission and the fact that I can see my weapon modified via weapon customization - like you - at the end.
The author of the mod should add the option to show/hide the scoreboard.
The 30 round bolter dump was a bit silly to be fair. Though that's the only real problem from the insta reload
Oh no someone think of the poor monstros.. It sure would be a damn shame if there were builds capable of instakilling them 😔
To be real Idk if bolt magdump would even be worth it in this patch over other alternatives
Waiting for rest of special weapons to make their way to vet
Vet Thammer 
I just want exe to get a revamp and work with WS
Also extra voice packs
That's what I was thinking. Save the scoreboard, but hide it from showing end of mission.
I feel like if you have like nothing else itès alright
I doo alot of bolter + exe itès eh
fun™️
I mean, you have your melee
maybe if you have a really bad unyielding on your melee I suppose
then I can kinda see it
Lol. as much as its an inconvenience to use a bolter with weapons specialist keystone, it's oddly funny to just have it for the sound of that dakka.
Thoughts and ideas?
Change specialists damage to maniac damage?
Nice. Takes notes

anyone got an easy way to cheese on overwatch???
play low intensity and die from falling off and hope to god 3 people make it to the end
they don't revive you the entire game
it still works
does dying from falling make you unable to be rezzed??
okay you're gonna have to forgive me here im kind autistic but when you say that it works when they dont rez you does that mean falling off completely writes off the melee damage counting against the achievement??
I'll rephrase it
when you start a level its ok to jump off and die from the ledge because it doesn't count as melee damage
Your team have to run the entire match without you and tell them to don't revive you
its very boring
this aint working 💀
That’s how I got it man, it’s a pain lol I got lucky and it was a shorter assassination mission.
what actually counts as a failure for it
just health damage by melee?
cause the last two fireteams i've tried it in rezzed me after i told them not to while the others died on the first horde
im pretty sure its white health
so gold toughness or 100% toughness does not count
ok right
i was actually having a pretty decent run then i had a massive lag spike, got netted and had two dregs melee me before i crashed
What are the good blessings to get for the Columnus Mk II Braced Autogun or Agripinaa Mk VIII Braced Autogun and which one should I aim for?
Death splitter and dumdum are your usual choices
But I used dumdum speedloader on one for a while with success
oh yeah
you could try infiltrate
get curious with ability cooldown and spam invisible
Dodge, shrimple as
Run double charge infil with low pro
Ez as
That still work?
yeah
helped a friend a week ago for the achievement
as long as no revives
is this good
Hopped off for another game in a long while
4 veterans, lights out, all recon lasgun
THis was so stupid and so fun
Yoink Headhunter IV from it, Agri IX is kinda ass
- the perks and no respite is kinda sad
ah ok
Why use flashlights when las bolts light up the room better 
I cant figure out your weapons i dont have that addon in my scoreboard. Whats it called?
I can tell its a powersword bc of power cycler, but why does it say "ELTE(3) UYLD(4)" what does that stand for i can't figure it out lol. sorry if im being dumb.
What is it you did the most boss dmg with, powersword push atk pokes?
and kraks im guessing
Fr, the flashlight was an addon there
we ended up accidentally doing fire lines mroe than once
elite damage perk tier 3 and unyielding perk tier 4
the light of the emperor guided our way
ohh those are the perks, duh
i couldn't make sense of it lol
i see it says powersword 6 above that, im blind
tbf it’s pretty small text
This sounds so fun ohmygosh
it was so stupid fun
we ended up almost using all the ammo twice
Nice LMFAO
the assasination mission that has that jail part?
once the door opened we spread oout across the hallways and went full auto while walking forward toward the horde
That's why I main Recon Mk II for quickplay. If I run into Gunlugger Ogryns or other Recon Vets I have the ammo efficiency to stretch my shots while others are going orange into red. The ammo will vanish but the Recon never stops shooting
Brautos don't get dumdum
MkII this balance is pretty nice
If I go VId or VIIa the ammo has to be carefully rationed
Or I'll just end up being a melee Vet
MkII ended up having the glow up
I now run also the Shovel mk3 for horde clear with decimator, and crusher duty with thrust
Remember, no heretic
They're all really fun. I swap between them depending on my mood now. Before SotMG I would use VId exclusively. Fatshark did a really good job buffing and balancing the Recons to make them all good in different situations
took their sweet ass time
but at least it arrived
better nate than lever
swap infested for flak right
do i want to put flak over infested on my knoif
Depends on what breakpoints you get with it
though I think the flak melee chaff is thje most annoying to me in the horde
Silly me was thinking of fire frenzy appreciate the correction
I’d swap infested with anything that can get you a good breakpoint
do you guys know if the gloamus camo helmet is part of any set?
sorry, thought you were talking about something else, yes, there is at the very end of the the penance rewards
What would be build for bolter?
Surgical pinning fire prob either weapon specialist to avoid manual reloads or executioner stance for picking off enemies (or both idk)
Take it with a grain of salt i havent used bolter on vet for for a long while
i suppose could go voice just to be safe
Remind me, that actually gives you guaranteed crits as long as you have at least 3 stacks?
What blessings i want on bolter?
i have this
Iirc pinning fire and surgical.
That bolter isn't too terrible if I don't look at the infested damage perk.
What are good weapons for vet in general?
Ciag, revolver and plasma are meta, but everything besides shredder can be made to work even bolt pistol
My favorite right now is weapon specialist double barrel
With flechette and manstopper, have to stalk shops or make an alt to reliably get them but since weapon spec gives guaranteed crit you can have a ton of extra cleave and bleeding with a beast of a shotgun, easy 600k-800k damage games
Columnus infantry autogun
One las pistol mark is good one is bad i forgot which. There is two now
Dum dum infernus and you just play mobile and pop heads
Or dum dum ghost
Mk10 is the bad one iirc
heavy one is worse
This
i like the heavy laspistol
elite damage perk tier 3 and unyielding perk tier 4
well obviously i meant the one with lower rof
power sword push atk the two hits and do it cycle.
hit the head
use kraks to control
kraks to stop the boss for a few seconds
Definitely replace Infested for sure. Flak is ok but I think the only enemy that would kinda matter for that would be Flak Ragers. With Uncanny you can tap Mauler and Crusher heads to instagib them. Could do Carapace or Unyielding. Carapace will help the breakpoint vs both. Unyielding would be nice for stabbing bosses
I'm unsure if Unyielding would get you a better breakpoint for Bulwarks
Try testing Flak, Carapace and Unyielding in the Psykanium to check if any of them earn you nice breakpoints
Now to wait for balancing passes on Plasma, Zarona Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun. They gave the CIAG a love tap nerf with the crit string but I'm waiting to see if they revisit them. The change to Longshot and Close Damage ended up making Plasma breakpoints a bit more awkward iirc but it can still achieve some pretty crazy damage on a build that can double down on defense without sacrificing much offensive power so it still feels a little goofy
If they ever give the Weapon Specialist free reload on swap talent node an internal CD it will go a long way toward balancing Zarona
Oh wow the date is actually somewhat reasonable
I expected like
December 30th or some shit

I was expecting something like end of October
🦀 locks gone 🦀
Eventually gone, which I mean is still good but we finally have a date vs
Uhhh- eventually
I'm happy I didn't vaporize like the 50 or so bricked would be godrolls I have
Cleave Targets is a dump stat on the power swords, right?
yup
ok cool lol. I know the power sword has just weird stuff when you activate it.
Charged power sword has infinite cleave iirc
Very good
Helllo
hello gamer
hello dog
It slaps like a mf. Excellent horde clear and it doesn't really care about armor, either. Two damage blessings also is the cherry on top.
Prob chainsword because bolter just eats anything chainsword can't deal with.
I like shovel but generally all that are faster because bolter is slow
knife, shovel, shock maul, axes etc
I like Chainsword Mk XIIIg tbh. Wrath + Rampage and I can just have fun spamming lights through hordes. Shredder for satisfying Bulwark carving. Boltgun kills pretty much everything else
it can deal with carapace pretty fine, what are you talking about
So is bolt pistol bad?
No just a different feel
Okay so nothing is "bad" everything is viable and useable it just depends on your build and preferences
Some weapons may feel better than others or are slightly more OP but everything is useable
You can either build Boltpistol for a funny Grenadier build using Lethal Proximity or go Surgical/Deadly Accurate for some funny breakpoints that Boltgun can't hit
Zamn
Oh yeah
Replace glory with surgical
and stamina iwth flak?
I'd say Boltpistol requires more patience and care with each shot to make it work well
(Or clavacle)
missing 1 mobility scrap for dockets 
Boltgun can afford mistakes easier
So kinda like slow firing laspistol?
In a sense yeah
Only 8 rounds per mag so you gotta make your shots count
Sorta except it also can kill a Crusher in 1 crit headshot with the right talent set up
i guess but the difference is that boltpistol will actually kill things
Hey now i saw someone with a MK X Heavy Laspistol doing WORK to bosses
You have to be more careful with your shots and know the breakpoints to get the most value out of it
what about this
Should replace SS with wrath?
yes
actually, is it not better
Basically savage sweep is tough to trigger
also what perks on that chainsword?
yes, unless you really like doing the push attack -> light heavy loop
Well so is rampage then
Well rampage is triggered by building wrath stacks
wrath gets rampage. you lose wrath rampage helps get it back
it's nice
What's a wrath stack? Sorry. Am I missing something as a veteran?
wrath blessing
extra cleave on hit
Does Exe stance reload weapon as it used to?
Ah, that blessing.
don't see it in description
No
I don't think so.
it used to
Reload is now right side of the tree
also weapon specialist guarantees crits on bolter, right?
for 1 shot yeah
Lol made a weapons specialist build for the bolter yesterday just to see what would happen.
Dakka Dakka fire rate for those 5 seconds.
Yes. You can trigger Savage Sweep with the Vanguard combo they recently added to the XIIIg but that's more effort. Wrath lets you go head empty no thoughts blender mode through hordes doing W+M1 gameplay
the description is incomplete
go test it in the psykhanium
You would need to repeat the Vanguard combo constantly to maintain uptime on Savage Sweep
It has a 2 sec buff duration
Chainsword has issues killing off carapace when compared to mag dumping a bolter. Especially when said carapace is in the form of 4 crushers.
Also there's a neat reload tech you can do to skip most of the reload animation
As soon as you see the number change you can hit sprint to cancel the remaining reload and then cancel sprint with aiming and get out of reload + fire a lot faster
by that logic there is no melee good against carapace
which is blatantly false
Save a bunch of time
???
yeah, i know
I never said that.
Interesting. Might test that out later to get used to the motion
that tech exists in most games
Taking the time to rev kill a crusher over and over again is bad.
You'd do much better to just mag dump them with your bolter.
Now, if you were using a shock maul or power sword, weapons that don't particularly care what they're swung at, then it'd be a different story.
Also you can build a Chainsword to kill Crushers but you would need Bloodletter and Carapace perk to do it effectively. Then you're vulnerable during shredder animation while the Chainsword is biting and you need to let the whole animation play for a kill
It doesn't feel worth imo
I was using VoC for the weapon's specialist build+bolter, but I wonder how it would do with infiltrator since infil gives you a few seconds to do your reload at least.
But you're using a chainsword. They aren't made for that.
Sacrifices the satisfying horde kill potential for better Crusher killing and it still does it worse than something like Knife or Power Sword that kill in like 1-2 seconds
My point exactly, but he's misconstruing my point as saying "melee isn't good for killing carapace," which is not what I'm saying at all. My point is that the chainsword complements the bolter because the bolter does everything the chainsword doesn't do well.
Other melees can kill Crushers safer
Chainsword can but needs the right build to make it work and still leaves you in danger while you do it
Yes, power swords, combat axes, and shock mauls all do an excellent job at killing carapace with little to no gimickry.
Rashad-
Pretty sure Rashad is included in "combat axes."
My rbrain
We violently hack away at said enemy till it falls over
Oh, and sapper shovels are great choices, too.
Average Kobold Brain:
I did some funny clown science to discover if you go Bloodthirsty + Bloodletter with Carapace and a certain talent set up you consistently kill Crushers every time in 1 shredder attack but even then you're losing out on horde clear by so much when you skip Wrath/Rampage
They’re fun, just when you use the Rashad you instantly go- man I wish it could cleave through more enemies
use plasma for horde clear 
That isn't even mentioning the usefulness as a teammate you sacrifice when you have such a niche setup for your talents.
The true Tanner way
Speaking of sapper shovels...
Tactical reload Passive combined with Always Prepared Keystone Modifier make it so you'll always have that 25% reload speed bonus when switching to range.
Combine that with fleeting fire, and you'll always get a 45% reload speed buff when switching. Very nice on bolter.
Which is the easier to aim one for the special hits?
Or are the special hits the same moveset?
Ah then I must just be using the wrong kind.
I am using a mk7, yeah.
Kind of cringe to try and dish out a free lobotomy to a bulwark only to ping off the edge of his shield because the attack angle is goofy.
Well 7 has the better general moveset
It's a shovel, though? How can the moveset be much different?
Unless the mk3 has some goofy neutral strikedown moveset I'm not aware of..?
7 having looping horizontal heavies while 3 has alternating strikedown and diagonal heavies
@distant warren Here are my feedback for some guns
What backup said
3 on the left 7 on the right
Inferior shovel, can't 1 tap everyone. SADGE
Just watched the Itemization update teaser
Just as Tanner intended
i wish stealth was good
It is
It very much is
Why you wishing
It's shroudfield but a longer duration with the ability to give you a damage boost, clutch revive
HVT killing
Other ults will help situations requiring such clutches to occer at all
Reviving teammates
any one else think "super shotgun" is great with knife if you have some reload perk
What is exe
With 0 potential to clutch besides shoot enemy better
I’m going to actually argue with you there seeing I’ve noticed a lot of the extra nodes proc after you leave stealth so i mean it’s shroud it’s just you don’t attack till you leave stealth
yes that’s a very popular combination
That’s just me though
weapon specialist or focus target for bolter?
focus target
Oh like yeah I mean the after you leave stealth for the extra damage is pretty goood
Besides you leave stealth
And suppress anything
So it’s literally free attack set up
pew pew pew
Infil, WS and a revolver slaaaps
tbf that sounds like ws revolver being 90% of the success
actually mgiht be really good with bolter
Stealth allows to get your slow ass bolter
Firm WS HHA + Whatever melee I feel like using today user
The infil just helps and it's funny
the fuck you mean no
it has very slow drawing speed
in stealth you can draw and not care
Not "just"
You can draw cancel
And then pull it out
when elites are close
Also
and you want to burst them down
Never heard of that, how?
fuck draw cancel i need a full mag all the time or i’ll have a mental breakdown 
I recall certain parts of the anim you sprint to cancel it
You’ll have to learn it though it’s the same with reloading
I mean I regularly play a bolter exe and focus target build the draw speed ain't that bad
Uh, make enough space so you can pull it out, if you want the good build run voc and focus target
Then you can always pop VOC pull out your bolter
AND get cooldown resets on VOC
Stealth just to pull out your bolter isn't that good imo
Which means then you're pulling it out and you're there with the bolter pulled out, and a long infil cooldown
how do you build a power sword to kill crushers effectively?
anyone know the max toughness you can get from a relic. Is it 19 from the base stat?
ive only ever seen 17
I had a stealth + super shotgun build that was fun ninja with shotgun
never anything higher
Carapace perk, Power Cycler IV, Bromentum, Desperado
You can kill a Crusher in 1 charged push attack + 2 light swings
With some of the orange buffs on ability active you can drop it down to 1 charged push attack + 1 light swing and even get down to a single 1 charged push attack for an instant 1 shot kill
At 80 score it should be 18 I was just double checking
Speaking for the Mk VI
is toughness actually the most effective defensive curio for vet?
or is it health?
and with my crit blessing on shotgun it can really do the job
Both but for different reasons. If you get 34%+ HP from curios/talents you hit a HP breakpoint to survive multiple poxburster pops without dying instantly and with 20% Sniper you can take multiple Sniper hits without going down too
But toughness is still important for surviving longer vs Gunners, Reapers, non-elite ranged, etc.
I had thoughness 2 + 1 health but had problems with stamina with knife, I switched for stamina and got thoughness from skill tree percs etc much better for me
You could do
2 HP curios 1 toughness
1 HP curio, 2 toughness
1 HP, 1 toughness, 1 Stam
And still achieve the important HP breakpoint while getting more toughness to survive sustained enemy ranged attacks
If you go only 1 HP curio you will need HP perks on all curios
21% + 15% = 36%
But chip damage can put you under the HP breakpoint so some extra HP to offset that goes a long way too
Going double HP puts you at 42% and lets you use your perks however you want
basically my build has almost every toughness node so ive been historically going 3 health but that was many patches ago
I think having better movement is better def then more def but maybe for my type of build
It's very possible to have over 200 HP and 200 Toughness
hitting the 2 shot without orange buffs doesnt require much if you’re going +crpc instead of +elite
azrael listed a breakdown last monthish but im too lazy to check 
And also very funny how tanky you become
Nice! I haven't done any clown science so I'm mostly just speaking from what I've seen others do
maybe 1/1/1 is worthit since i have deadshot
I know Mr. Craime posted a 1 tap Crusher clip with a single charged push attack a long time ago
but i dont really feel stamina problems
Get sprint efficiency perks on all 3 curios
It's so good
Even without any Stam curios you can run so much longer
Add in Stam curios and you'll never stop sprinting
haha then use stealth and speeddrun everything
i mean the only thing i cant do is just sit there and let the boss beat me up
then I wonder who would win on max speed vet or zelot
meanwhile psyker is already at the finish line
Psyker but like for 2 seconds
They might not last very long but they are fastest for that very brief window
it’s like playing racing game segments where you have to chain speed boosts to make it through
I think Zealot hits a higher consistent speed
But Psyker has the highest burst speed
would be iteresting race on long distance
If it's just a straight line Ogryn charge could maybe enter the race
but anyway good vet full team is so nice to play and watch its like a classical music the movement the harmony the tactics
hadron paid out
our violins are guns 
fuckin hadron only does this shit to dumped first target shovels 
lmao its just about 1 shotting crushers so im not mad
wtf are these numbers
i alone killed 130 elites
Bolter is nuts though
Really like it
I used to not like it
what blessings i want for bolt pistol?
i have this
Ranged weak spot to unarmored, Elite or manic
And either
Deadly accurate to lethal prox
Or puncture to surgical
that's basically perfect for the crusher 1shot meme build, so i'd go punc --> surgical and weakspot --> elite
executioner's stance hits every other breakpoint from unarmoured/maniac
or go lethal prox like a normal person 
Lethal prox triggers bleed?
no
no, but it increases frag grenade radius
wat
Increases frag and krak (but frag is actually noticeable)
Also enemies get staggered if you shoot point blank
Lethal Prox on a Grenadier build 🤤
Twinned frags with lethal prox
insert lethal comedy clip here
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Also this for confirmation on how LP works
My knife build is like this atm
I can use either uncanny frags
Or extra range lethal prox frags
i do uncanny shovel frags with lethal prox
Powersword to literally alt f4 everything
It's a different kind of visceral
Some like the gore and blood flying apart everywhere. Others like the cauterized stench of flesh, clean cuts and I'm going to stop before I'm on a list
it's too late for you
This is because of our association isn't it?
I’m simple I like seeing heads go crunch or fly off
Okay call me insane but I seriously wish higher caliber guns would cause heads to explode into bone debris that can be left over vs like
Their head is magically gone
I want to feel good knowing I blew a heretics head into bone shrapnel
Yeah
INQUISITOR
Bolter should be red misting
Inquisitor this one right here, you can see the clear mark of Tzeentch by the miscolored background
Look it’s occasionally happens with the Headhunters but I want to see the aftermath myself
So only advantage of bolt pistol over bolter is draw time?
The niche of bistol is supression
Idk how much I prefer the original bolter over the bistol though since the mobility is nice
It makes me consider trying the suppression node with it
I use run n gun and puncture
The supression node is nice but id only take it to boost grenade radius for lols (unless that's been patched)
Deadly Accurate casually adding 600+ damage
*depending on armor type
It can hit niche breakpoints the Boltgun can't like one shotting a Crusher on crit weakspot hit with a funny Exe Stance Marksman's Focus build that includes some rending
No matter how hard someone tries it is not feasible to one shot a Crusher on Boltgun
If you do the same set up you get a 2 shot at best
It hits slightly harder because of Deadly Accurate
what should i do with this axe?
If you like body shots Boltgun will do better because of Pinning Fire and the extra shots between reloads
Plus you can magdump for fun on Boltgun for higher DPS
i will get a better one but this should be okay for now
gonna switch blessings as you said
There's also the Lethal Proximity grenadier build and the funny way Puncture achieves breakpoints through bleeds
Boltpistol does different things
Also no cleave on Boltpistol so you can't get the funny bonus kills when elites are lined up in a column but Boltgun has cleave so it can
got this for my veteran. I don't know the weapon well. What should I change?
Thrust to high voltage
3 80%?
Shit man youre good
Then get your 2nd modification on the perks and get a lvl 4 one and thats probably gett8ng you a 531 power lvl weapon
Congrats
is Lightning Reflexes worth keeping?
yeah's it's pretty good
so I replace thrust with HV and crit chance fooooor... Flak?
Id put skullcrusher instead of thrust, Its what I run on mine
makes hordes trivial
you could also do
carapace for crusher 3 shot combo
maniac for mutants (and probalby ragers but reflexes kinda helps already)
unyielding to make up for its unyielding dmg weakness
but flak isn't bad i just don't know if it makes a big difference
makes brusers die in 2 hits, shotgunners in 1 heavy and the rest of the flak family in 2 hits
but I use the 1a variant so not sure if this can apply to the MK 3 one
i'll have to check because i remember bruisers already being 2hit
Actually I use a all or nothing + headtaker mk7 on my 3 characters. I don't have to bother with BM bps and being a mk7 I am using pa + h1 all the time... So I always get between 3 to 5 stacks of all or nothing.
Played so well they said I was a zealot.
I'll take the compliment
guys i have a confession: i think i like power sword 3 more than 6 😔
what perks go on mk12 shovel
good, you stay away from my six
flak carapace?
anybody up for a game?
they just opened my asshole +3 inches so yeah let's go
why are you like this
good quesiton
I'll be in strike team 3
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Ah, well what do ya know
I use one almost exactly like this but I drop rending strikes and 1 other talent to leap over into agile engagement, just for the bonus dmg.
I like this idea too tho, is the 10% rending worth it tho? lots you could pickup with that point
Is collateral useful on the bolt pistol? Just nabbed an 80 damage, 80 reload, 80 stability, 79 mobility and 60 collateral from Brunt
Its not
Excellent
is the vraks mk7 headhunter still good?
The necessary evil that is Backup158 bothers me to no end.
at least you can cope with lethal prox 3
what exactly counts as "elite enemies" for the 15% base dmg on surperiotity complex
do bosses count?
do specials and disablers counter?
ok so all the typical melee elites
im pretty sure bosses do not count
melk be smokin that crack
ah
I'm posting a screen of melk every other day

Hey that's private
Do I want to learn why that's an emote here
We have dependable guys in the mods offices
NEXT MONTH
After many months of diligent work, there's uh
A new map
Hey now we can see how high the stats would get at 280 ( and get there of course)
and
and
locks are gone
one of the patch 13 dev blogs described talent trees using an analogy of udders and teats
I was actually too scared to ask about this
I'm counting the developing time before release cause this shit was thought wrong from the get go
swedish people, i guess

Ah yes. That explains it.
Mmmm
mmmMmMmmM milk
Just watched the itemization overview trailer. Looks like we'll still want to aim to get those 380 base rating weapons with decent stat distribution to try and max out the potential stats to 80%.
Kind of looks like at most, you can increase any stat bar up 8% at most, but we'll see
YO FUCK THE ITEMIZATION, TRAIN LEVEL LETS GOOOOOOOO
So at max mastery, it looks like your Power Limit will be 500.
When you empower a weapon once, it's empowering all of the weapon's stats, increasing the modification cap by 2 and increasing power by 10?
Certain blessings and perks will cost more of your modification cap than others by the looks of it.
Whats the difference between each Infantry Lasgun??
also is there an Ogrynomicon but for Veterans?? Where can I look for a guide?
Mk4 is the fastest
MgIa is the in-between
Mg12 is the slowest but hardest hitting
There's also a pinned vet guide
In the piinns
I want a Horde control Melee and a Special deleter
Combat Axe?
Huh, i thought it was a single target
I kinda fw decapitator instead of headtaker tbh
"I'm a level thirty vet myself!"
This is the current guide i was running with
I want to be a tactician and support my team
any suggestions?
no need for toughness regen speed curios tbh, confirmed kill+ voc gives you all your toughness regen
The catastrophic lvls of dmg gameslantern builds have put on this game somehow
just get combat ability regen instead if you are nervous about toughness
and what melee should i pair it with, what would my build look like on a talent tree? >x<
I want to try Axes
The alt attk is nice if youre alone w a bulwark
anyone got a skill tree I could use?
no marking targets?
Understood, is Focus Target actually any good or is it a trap
Understood
I remember when the full tree finally dropped everyone was calling all the keystones dog wash
alright m stickin to this tree for now
Also if you can confirm 3 melee hits before switching to gun its a guaranteed crit @haughty hedge
Iv done a few builds w out the 60 sec nade regen and just went for demolition team to save on points
This is what i use for double barrel knife you could also route through smokes to get another point if needed
I do uncanny mercy for vet
which folding Shovel?
I think other cole was testing it the other and precog uncanny does more dmg then mercy uncanny but only if you can hit constant crits and be procing it
Just got Brutal Momentum on my axe!
Just whatever you do dont fall to the trinity of evil (VoC, psword and plasma at the same time)
which accatran is the go now, is it still mk II
vld shoots too fast for me, imo its mk2
Best overall dmg and ammo economy is the 7
Which power sword is better?
6
and
Blessings lol sry
so is the mk7 the best then
There’s no one else here so I have all the power to tell you both the best advice you’ll ever hear
Play Ogryn
Best class. Is strongest!
this one is good. lose a dodge and infernus gets beat by dumdum but will do well.
slaughterer/sunder and power cycler 4
also good. good base but lack of headhunter means you'll be hurting on ammo. deathspitter lets you cleave scab bruisers though
Anyone have any advice on Boltgun Veteran builds? I've done Boltgun on Zealot before and want to know what it's like on Vet
power cycler is the blessing that is 100% needed
Noooo actual advice my greatest weakness
power cycler 4 + brutal momentum
sunder is ok as a sub for brutal momentum
oh wait
for power sword 6
yeah brutal momentum
if ur running a ps3 then sunder is also good
but ps6 sunder is a bit less good
Submarine sandwich
yummy
So
ps3 power 4 + slaughterer
Ps6 power 4 + bromentum
unda da sea
What about ps6 with power 4 + slaughterer
I think they should let vet dual wield plasma pistols and increase their fire rate without decreasing damage

Now imagine Akimbo Boltpistols
Honestly might make them actually pretty decent
Essentially just doubling the fire rate
slaughterer is fine but it’s not really optimal or amazing
brutal momentum will always be the best blessing in the game until they nerf it
If we get more weapons and I still don’t get a fist-adjacent melee I’m taking a steamer in the mourningstar
Might just replace the Plasmagun on one of my builds with Boltgun cuz Plasmagun isn't as fun anymore
Yeah it’s boring as fuck
Like using the shield on ogryn
Too simple, too strong
Plasma pistol worse tho
I think sunder lets you 1 tap charged heavy muties maybe
Yeah
I land 3 fully charged shots on a crusher or something and it's still walking
or you could push attack
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUGH
I'm thinking that I should just change the perks here
This is as close to perfect as it gets lol
No power cycler 4 and shit perks youre cooked
Pc3 is enough for mk6
Thas toofpick
bro typed pc4 out of instinct
is it tho
Yeah
why not just swap it out for 4
2 horizontal swipes and the push attack is also a 2 hit combo
are you scared of a little gambling
because cope
scared of gambling?
Cause I already have a good one with pc4 lol
why not have 2
sounds like cope
Why make another if the first one is already great
There's no gambling involved
mental illness
nothing wrong with more
we gamble
Because you never have enough good ones
Good answer
I've played darktide till today. I think that was already warranted
playing darktide in current year 
The real answer is minmaxing the minmaxing
How could I not
smelly in there
Look at this shit. Specialist perk? disgusting
Is true! But strong in there!
Perfection
The stronger the smell, the stronger the ogryns
bet theyll 1 shot mutants tho 
If the smell is strong then it must come from a strong person no?
Real! Hug never clean. Stinky make heretic scared.
It does. Beautiful poke right in-between its eyes
what blessings do people run with PG to make it op?
after gets hot, it's more about getting the elite damage perk and building your tree to maintain oneshots
oh like the ones that do extra damage to ogryns and elites and such?
yeah and the redirect fire subnode of target down
smelly ogryns idd
the teats
Gets Hot, Blaze Away, Flak & Elite damage is the ideal iirc
Target down is also a sub node
yeah i meant focus target
Gloryhunter is usually better than blaze away on plasma
But it’s more preference/RNG (rn)
space marine soon then patch after it
Mm, Space Marine.
Oof. Just tried knife on psyker
evolving from a vet into a space marine
that push attack spam does something to your brain
Knife/Revolver and Warp charges for damage. Did not work well for me
I had assail and the telekinetic shield for utility
Can I ask you this, how are you lvl 294???
Tell you what, the power of that shield went wayyy down since the introduction of pox gas bombers
that's not me but the game keeps track of your total exp and this mod converts that to levels https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/156
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh
The barrier is much more useful thanks to toughness regen inside it
Idk sometimes I feel like the only person in this server who isn’t gonna play space marines 2. Just, doesn’t really look like a game I’d enjoy. Gear and skill customization, and the classes just look very simple and limited
Power to you if you’re hyped, just not for me
I just want to kill tyranids and dunk on Chaos marines
Yeah I’d say the only real allure to me is the ability to fight those types of enemies.
And power fist.
Mmmmmmmmm power fist my beloved.
is this good
Coming from a non vet it looks workable
So take that as you will
alright I'll run lmao
Swap infested to
To
I dunno. Flak or elite
alr
Devastating strike to your choice of blessing
I call it the Butterknife.
same boat here
might play for the campaign but thats about it
Top 5 most annoying enemies?
#1 the ogryn. on your team
pretty nice from hardon




