#veteran-class

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sleek garden
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or uncanny strike

arctic rampart
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yeah, I don't use knife so just cut & paste the guide

last parcel
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whatthefuck_heresy
but executor (on mk6) or flesh tearer can help

sleek garden
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is the xii the heaviest one? the blue lasgun is just weak enough to miss a lot of breakpoints for me without marksmans focus

sinful swallow
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Xii is the heavy

sleek garden
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i dont mind the "lower" dps if it means i only take one shot to headshot a flamer at 10 meters

sinful swallow
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They're actually really close overall across the context of a whole mission

sleek garden
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yeah, like i said they're just preference, I used to use nearly exclusively the middle-tier lasgun

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green paint

arctic rampart
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if you want to one-shot a flamer why not use zerona or plasma?

sinful swallow
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Second to second, the xii will give you the one shots on those that you're chasing while iv and ia will clear rooms slightly faster

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mg xii feels nice

sleek garden
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the zarona is like your close range hand cannon to remove one big target

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plasma gun is beefy but you kinda have to use it sparingly, or at least it seemed to be the point before it got changed to venting toughness instead of health

sinful swallow
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If you get really into the xii, might also consider the lighter hellbores

arctic rampart
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IAG should be stronger if you want to mow down medium range targets

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though recon VLD sounds awesome

sleek garden
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i prefer infantry lasguns to the recons because of the reverse damage falloff

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after a certain range you start one tapping a lot of stuff or halving breakpoints

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of course depending on the blessings the recons just stack a ton of damage fast

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this is a certified infantry lasgun moment

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but seriously on certain maps if you dont have a guy who can efficiently take down shooters you're gonna feel the pain

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like the hourglass

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take ghost/exhilarating takedown. marksmans focus or executors stance with counterfire

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the world is your shooting gallery

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with marksmans focus max stacks you start doing like 6x headshot damage

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bring precision strikes of course

arctic rampart
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I usually melee them to death

sleek garden
# sleek garden

this one wasnt actually a great example, the times where its important you dont really think about clipping

sleek garden
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id rather just get rid of them

arctic rampart
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yeah I use mk3 power sword and slide at them

sleek garden
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on relay station trs150 in the hourglass is a really good time to have a lasgun

arctic rampart
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weapon specialist and 70+% mobility on it makes it not so bad

sleek garden
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right after the fan event when you head out onto that balcony there's always a ton of shooters walking around

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I usually stay up there and spend some time cleaning them up because there's always some kind of horde or boss when you drop

sinful swallow
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Bolter purging goes brrrrrr

sleek garden
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i like the bolter but i hate trying to shoot something and the aim gets all jerky even when im standing still

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ive been trying to use the powersword without power cycler and i think im gonna swap slaughterer for wrath just so i can deal with hordes more efficiently

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sunder is cool but without power cycler it just takes too long to charge up

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and the sword cleaves like 4 guys

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i always come back to the catachan it can do everything except deal with 4 carapace at once

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when i have to deal with that i dump all my grenades or run away because all my teammates are using revolvers

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and knvies

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or axes

faint beacon
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was something

sleek garden
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how many enemies total is that

faint beacon
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Auric Damn

frank ether
sleek garden
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i dont wanna play zealot

frank ether
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too bad

sleek garden
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and when you wanna use it on zealot is when its the worst time

frank ether
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I do

sleek garden
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because you whip it out point blank

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which is cool

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but then it doesnt explode anything

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because you're too close

frank ether
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you dont have to point blank it

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if anything thats vet that has to do that if you hipfire, not zealot

sand marten
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I dont aim down sights at all really

sleek garden
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i use it with executor stance and crouch hipfire or single fire at ragers or something

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it takes like 3-4 headshots to down a crusher and at that point ill just use the extra 3 bullets to knock over everyone around him

sand marten
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idk, I use melee on almost everything but specialists

sleek garden
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that is what most people do

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i like to use my gun any time im not getting swarmed

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im good in melee i just have more use with my build sniping specialists rushing my teammates than standing next to them

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if the ogryn is at a chokepoint swining his club through 12 guys at once if i shoot and kill an enemy near him im adding stacks of marksmans focus to myself and giving him a damage boost and toughness

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or i can pop a trapper or some shooters that snuck behind him

rigid pilot
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Fair weather stuff is fun and all

last parcel
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if you ever feel safe in quickplay
know that i'm out there

tame lodge
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Sure, I'll check for any Uwunese speaker chad

lavish token
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scarlet path
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My vets name is "Canderous" after Canderous Ordo from Knight of the Old Republic

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woeful ibex
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Congrats Cousin

hollow turtle
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Its been so long since I played without using scoreboard blocking the victory screen, this just looks good.

pine snow
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how does scoreboard even work

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i pick up more plasteel than everyone

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my combat score is highest

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i stayed in coherency

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total score: 50

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like huh

plush jetty
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how bad is stopping power being a dump stat here ?

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plush jetty
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ok ty

radiant chasm
plush jetty
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OK hear me out : this with deadshot actually fucks, the damage in the meat grinder is pretty crazy

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I'm just not sure about the +dmg to flak

odd sparrow
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flak is required for a bunch of breakpoints IIRC but it is a swappable spot for you so you could try maniac instead if so desired

somber axle
tall torrent
meager topaz
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Will the next update fix this. The new crafting system?

tall torrent
meager topaz
meager topaz
tall torrent
meager topaz
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Right now

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and after

tall torrent
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Highest is 550

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After, still 550

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But pretty sure every weapon item can go to 550 after update

meager topaz
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Holy hell 550. Ive not seen one before

magic trout
stiff glacier
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Finally have all vet penances

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Hilariously last one was 500 krak kills

pine snow
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which did you hate the most

meager topaz
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Saw in reddit the new update will be released later?

pine snow
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trailer for it is coming out tmrw

stiff glacier
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Marksman focus was most ass of all penances

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Now i have zealot with 2 left

magic trout
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+800 hrs and i havent completed the last 2 penances of vet
On watch and ammo penance

stiff glacier
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Need to get zealot speedrun penance

magic trout
stiff glacier
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And loner penance

stiff glacier
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Maintaining exec stance for 20 seconds was easy as hell

magic trout
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Yeah thst is a pain

stiff glacier
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I dont like vet keystones so forcing myself to use that was annoying

magic trout
stiff glacier
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Mk4 lasgun eased it up

magic trout
stiff glacier
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That sounds like making it harder on purpose

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I just used mg la lasgun with 20 sec one

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Never needed to reload while doing it

magic trout
magic trout
stiff glacier
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They're expensive

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Vet has so many places for skill point usage

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2 out of 3 ability skills have further 4 side upgrades to make them better

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Then grenade skills preferably

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And iron will

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Unless i go purely straight lane of one tree

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I wont be able to afford them

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Especially the weapon specialist

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Why it it 6 skill points for all of its talents

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Zealots own need just 2-3 at best

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Psykers warp siphon is in same boat

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5 skillpoints

magic trout
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From left to right:
1- gives damage: allowing to 1 shot many enemies and gives you support, yeah it needs at least 3 points
2-gives you targeted damage/boss damage and support (toughnesd to party)
3- gives you survivality

pine snow
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the mark keystone is honestly really fun to use

stiff glacier
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Tagging is only one where you get away with 3 skill points

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But weapon specialist

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My god

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Why

magic trout
stiff glacier
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Mid ones true they're fine enough

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Its just the keystones where its problem

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Mid tree is hilariously cheap

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You just get 1 side of voc

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Exec stance? 4 and key stone another 3

magic trout
frank ether
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wep spec isnt really expensive

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its just that ppl take really long paths to get to it

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because of vet tree reasons

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the base keystone is good on its own

magic trout
# stiff glacier Exec stance? 4 and key stone another 3

Ar least wit executioner you only need the perk thst gives regenarate 1 point,not neccesarily need all the perks of the Keystone.
I have a build using an acatran and i use executioner keystone, core and the perk that replenish 1 point, only need 2 points

frank ether
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If anything wep spec is the cheapest one in my eyes looking at just keystone cost

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taking focus or marksman without nodes feels pointless to me

stiff glacier
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Exec stance i always take outline ranged and extension on kill

frank ether
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Overall the imbalance comes from ults for the most part

stiff glacier
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If i could afford id take highlight to teammates

frank ether
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exe and infiltrate have 4 nodes

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and the nodes aren't even that interesting its just tax

magic trout
stiff glacier
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Highlight ogryns is greatest joke of all

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If you cant spot them out from range

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I can only say sorry

magic trout
crude fiber
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It's more for if you want to refresh exe stance off them over trying to see them. Though I'm not sure whyd you want that over every ranged enemy

torpid lion
stiff glacier
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I cant say for vent purge

frank ether
stiff glacier
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It kills my fps

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I dont play it

frank ether
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Damn I sure love a weapon swap on cooldown

crude fiber
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VOC is VOC and I don't care for infiltrate

frank ether
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I wonder how they could improve this ult

terse idol
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infil pretty gooood

frank ether
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maybe something unheard of

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something crazy

stiff glacier
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I wish infil had some side upgrade to let you do shots without breaking stealth

frank ether
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unhinged even

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never before heard of

stiff glacier
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Like in vt2

frank ether
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like... a reload on activation?

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I know, I know, ridicilous

terse idol
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crude fiber
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The 30 round bolter dump was a bit silly to be fair. Though that's the only real problem from the insta reload

frank ether
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Oh no someone think of the poor monstros.. It sure would be a damn shame if there were builds capable of instakilling them 😔

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To be real Idk if bolt magdump would even be worth it in this patch over other alternatives

stiff glacier
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Waiting for rest of special weapons to make their way to vet

crude fiber
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Vet Thammer KEKW_ogryn

frank ether
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I just want exe to get a revamp and work with WS

stiff glacier
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Also extra voice packs

frank ether
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not gonna happen

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its a shitton of work

stiff glacier
crude fiber
hollow turtle
terse idol
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I doo alot of bolter + exe itès eh

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fun™️

frank ether
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maybe if you have a really bad unyielding on your melee I suppose

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then I can kinda see it

hollow turtle
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Lol. as much as its an inconvenience to use a bolter with weapons specialist keystone, it's oddly funny to just have it for the sound of that dakka.

arctic glen
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Thoughts and ideas?

uncut pebble
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Change specialists damage to maniac damage?

arctic glen
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Nice. Takes notes

uncut pebble
torpid lion
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boss damage is higher than thunder hammer zealot🤣

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poor zealot

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strong build

dry drift
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anyone got an easy way to cheese on overwatch???

woeful ibex
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they don't revive you the entire game

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it still works

dry drift
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does dying from falling make you unable to be rezzed??

woeful ibex
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you still respawn

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just that your own team don't revive you for the entire game

dry drift
woeful ibex
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I'll rephrase it

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when you start a level its ok to jump off and die from the ledge because it doesn't count as melee damage

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Your team have to run the entire match without you and tell them to don't revive you

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its very boring

dry drift
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ohhh ok right

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most level 30's shouldnt struggle with a 3 man malice mission right

woeful ibex
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preferebly you do it in Difficulty 3

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Low intensity

dry drift
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alr alr

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i'll see how that goes

dry drift
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this aint working 💀

mental cloud
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That’s how I got it man, it’s a pain lol I got lucky and it was a shorter assassination mission.

dry drift
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what actually counts as a failure for it

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just health damage by melee?

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cause the last two fireteams i've tried it in rezzed me after i told them not to while the others died on the first horde

frank monolith
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im pretty sure its white health

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so gold toughness or 100% toughness does not count

dry drift
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ok right

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i was actually having a pretty decent run then i had a massive lag spike, got netted and had two dregs melee me before i crashed

meager topaz
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What are the good blessings to get for the Columnus Mk II Braced Autogun or Agripinaa Mk VIII Braced Autogun and which one should I aim for?

pseudo fiber
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Death splitter and dumdum are your usual choices

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But I used dumdum speedloader on one for a while with success

woeful ibex
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oh yeah

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you could try infiltrate

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get curious with ability cooldown and spam invisible

marble mantle
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Run double charge infil with low pro

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Ez as

woeful ibex
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helped a friend a week ago for the achievement

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as long as no revives

idle pecan
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is this good

untold mulch
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Hopped off for another game in a long while

4 veterans, lights out, all recon lasgun

THis was so stupid and so fun

supple stag
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  • the perks and no respite is kinda sad
idle pecan
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ah ok

heavy rover
mortal horizon
# torpid lion

I cant figure out your weapons i dont have that addon in my scoreboard. Whats it called?

I can tell its a powersword bc of power cycler, but why does it say "ELTE(3) UYLD(4)" what does that stand for i can't figure it out lol. sorry if im being dumb.

What is it you did the most boss dmg with, powersword push atk pokes?

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and kraks im guessing

untold mulch
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we ended up accidentally doing fire lines mroe than once

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untold mulch
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the light of the emperor guided our way

mortal horizon
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i couldn't make sense of it lol

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i see it says powersword 6 above that, im blind

last parcel
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tbf it’s pretty small text

untold mulch
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we ended up almost using all the ammo twice

somber axle
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Nice LMFAO

untold mulch
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the assasination mission that has that jail part?

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once the door opened we spread oout across the hallways and went full auto while walking forward toward the horde

somber axle
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That's why I main Recon Mk II for quickplay. If I run into Gunlugger Ogryns or other Recon Vets I have the ammo efficiency to stretch my shots while others are going orange into red. The ammo will vanish but the Recon never stops shooting

sinful swallow
untold mulch
somber axle
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If I go VId or VIIa the ammo has to be carefully rationed

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Or I'll just end up being a melee Vet

untold mulch
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MkII ended up having the glow up

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I now run also the Shovel mk3 for horde clear with decimator, and crusher duty with thrust

untold mulch
somber axle
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They're all really fun. I swap between them depending on my mood now. Before SotMG I would use VId exclusively. Fatshark did a really good job buffing and balancing the Recons to make them all good in different situations

untold mulch
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it was 3 VId

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and me with II

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Had I noticed I would have picked my VId

untold mulch
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but at least it arrived

last parcel
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better nate than lever

idle pecan
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swap infested for flak right

untold mulch
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Now

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if only I had the hellgun

idle pecan
untold mulch
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Depends on what breakpoints you get with it

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though I think the flak melee chaff is thje most annoying to me in the horde

idle pecan
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would this be good for a columnus/knife build

pseudo fiber
radiant chasm
# idle pecan

I’d swap infested with anything that can get you a good breakpoint

umbral scaffold
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do you guys know if the gloamus camo helmet is part of any set?

sand marten
ocean idol
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What would be build for bolter?

radiant chasm
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Take it with a grain of salt i havent used bolter on vet for for a long while

ocean idol
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i suppose could go voice just to be safe

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Remind me, that actually gives you guaranteed crits as long as you have at least 3 stacks?

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What blessings i want on bolter?

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i have this

uncut pebble
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Iirc pinning fire and surgical.

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That bolter isn't too terrible if I don't look at the infested damage perk.

ocean idol
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What are good weapons for vet in general?

radiant chasm
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My favorite right now is weapon specialist double barrel

ocean idol
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ciag?

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well i always liked laspistol

radiant chasm
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With flechette and manstopper, have to stalk shops or make an alt to reliably get them but since weapon spec gives guaranteed crit you can have a ton of extra cleave and bleeding with a beast of a shotgun, easy 600k-800k damage games

radiant chasm
radiant chasm
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Dum dum infernus and you just play mobile and pop heads

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Or dum dum ghost

tame lodge
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Mk10 is the bad one iirc

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torpid lion
tame lodge
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Both pistols have Heavy

ocean idol
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well obviously i meant the one with lower rof

tame lodge
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Kantrael

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Mk10

torpid lion
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power sword push atk the two hits and do it cycle.

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hit the head

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use kraks to control

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kraks to stop the boss for a few seconds

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somber axle
# idle pecan do i want to put flak over infested on my knoif

Definitely replace Infested for sure. Flak is ok but I think the only enemy that would kinda matter for that would be Flak Ragers. With Uncanny you can tap Mauler and Crusher heads to instagib them. Could do Carapace or Unyielding. Carapace will help the breakpoint vs both. Unyielding would be nice for stabbing bosses

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I'm unsure if Unyielding would get you a better breakpoint for Bulwarks

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Try testing Flak, Carapace and Unyielding in the Psykanium to check if any of them earn you nice breakpoints

somber axle
# untold mulch took their sweet ass time

Now to wait for balancing passes on Plasma, Zarona Revolver and Columnus Infantry Autogun. They gave the CIAG a love tap nerf with the crit string but I'm waiting to see if they revisit them. The change to Longshot and Close Damage ended up making Plasma breakpoints a bit more awkward iirc but it can still achieve some pretty crazy damage on a build that can double down on defense without sacrificing much offensive power so it still feels a little goofy

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If they ever give the Weapon Specialist free reload on swap talent node an internal CD it will go a long way toward balancing Zarona

midnight mesa
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Oh wow the date is actually somewhat reasonable

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I expected like

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December 30th or some shit

heavy rover
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I was expecting something like end of October

frank ether
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🦀 locks gone 🦀

faint beacon
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Eventually gone, which I mean is still good but we finally have a date vs

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Uhhh- eventually

frank ether
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I'm happy I didn't vaporize like the 50 or so bricked would be godrolls I have

sullen scarab
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Cleave Targets is a dump stat on the power swords, right?

grand perch
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yup

tawny badger
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So

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How’s that shock mace or whatever it’s called

sullen scarab
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ok cool lol. I know the power sword has just weird stuff when you activate it.

tawny badger
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Charged power sword has infinite cleave iirc

pseudo fiber
umbral scaffold
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Helllo

pseudo fiber
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hello gamer

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ocean idol
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hmm, bolter is pretty satisfying

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WWhat melee good to use with it?

uncut pebble
uncut pebble
pseudo fiber
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knife, shovel, shock maul, axes etc

somber axle
# ocean idol WWhat melee good to use with it?

I like Chainsword Mk XIIIg tbh. Wrath + Rampage and I can just have fun spamming lights through hordes. Shredder for satisfying Bulwark carving. Boltgun kills pretty much everything else

ocean idol
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So is bolt pistol bad?

somber axle
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No just a different feel

scarlet path
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Some weapons may feel better than others or are slightly more OP but everything is useable

somber axle
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You can either build Boltpistol for a funny Grenadier build using Lethal Proximity or go Surgical/Deadly Accurate for some funny breakpoints that Boltgun can't hit

ocean idol
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YO

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That's pretty good bolter, right?

scarlet path
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Zamn

pseudo fiber
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Oh yeah

ocean idol
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Replace glory with surgical

ocean idol
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and stamina iwth flak?

somber axle
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I'd say Boltpistol requires more patience and care with each shot to make it work well

pseudo fiber
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missing 1 mobility scrap for dockets chadgryn

somber axle
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Boltgun can afford mistakes easier

ocean idol
scarlet path
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Only 8 rounds per mag so you gotta make your shots count

somber axle
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scarlet path
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Hey now i saw someone with a MK X Heavy Laspistol doing WORK to bosses

somber axle
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You have to be more careful with your shots and know the breakpoints to get the most value out of it

ocean idol
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Should replace SS with wrath?

hollow turtle
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Holy fook

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Give me

pseudo fiber
ocean idol
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actually, is it not better

pseudo fiber
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Basically savage sweep is tough to trigger

ocean idol
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also what perks on that chainsword?

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ocean idol
pseudo fiber
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Well rampage is triggered by building wrath stacks

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wrath gets rampage. you lose wrath rampage helps get it back

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it's nice

hollow turtle
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What's a wrath stack? Sorry. Am I missing something as a veteran?

ocean idol
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ah, i see

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also reload speed really nice on bolter with both reloading talents

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ocean idol
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Does Exe stance reload weapon as it used to?

hollow turtle
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Ah, that blessing.

ocean idol
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don't see it in description

pseudo fiber
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No

hollow turtle
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I don't think so.

pseudo fiber
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it used to

hollow turtle
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Reload is now right side of the tree

ocean idol
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also weapon specialist guarantees crits on bolter, right?

last parcel
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for 1 shot yeah

ocean idol
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not for 1 shot

hollow turtle
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Lol made a weapons specialist build for the bolter yesterday just to see what would happen.
Dakka Dakka fire rate for those 5 seconds.

somber axle
# ocean idol Should replace SS with wrath?

Yes. You can trigger Savage Sweep with the Vanguard combo they recently added to the XIIIg but that's more effort. Wrath lets you go head empty no thoughts blender mode through hordes doing W+M1 gameplay

last parcel
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go test it in the psykhanium

somber axle
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You would need to repeat the Vanguard combo constantly to maintain uptime on Savage Sweep

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It has a 2 sec buff duration

uncut pebble
somber axle
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Also there's a neat reload tech you can do to skip most of the reload animation

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As soon as you see the number change you can hit sprint to cancel the remaining reload and then cancel sprint with aiming and get out of reload + fire a lot faster

ocean idol
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which is blatantly false

somber axle
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Save a bunch of time

uncut pebble
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???

uncut pebble
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I never said that.

hollow turtle
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Interesting. Might test that out later to get used to the motion

ocean idol
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that tech exists in most games

uncut pebble
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Taking the time to rev kill a crusher over and over again is bad.

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You'd do much better to just mag dump them with your bolter.

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Now, if you were using a shock maul or power sword, weapons that don't particularly care what they're swung at, then it'd be a different story.

somber axle
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Also you can build a Chainsword to kill Crushers but you would need Bloodletter and Carapace perk to do it effectively. Then you're vulnerable during shredder animation while the Chainsword is biting and you need to let the whole animation play for a kill

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It doesn't feel worth imo

hollow turtle
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I was using VoC for the weapon's specialist build+bolter, but I wonder how it would do with infiltrator since infil gives you a few seconds to do your reload at least.

uncut pebble
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But you're using a chainsword. They aren't made for that.

somber axle
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Sacrifices the satisfying horde kill potential for better Crusher killing and it still does it worse than something like Knife or Power Sword that kill in like 1-2 seconds

uncut pebble
somber axle
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Other melees can kill Crushers safer

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Chainsword can but needs the right build to make it work and still leaves you in danger while you do it

uncut pebble
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Yes, power swords, combat axes, and shock mauls all do an excellent job at killing carapace with little to no gimickry.

terse idol
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Rashad-

uncut pebble
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Pretty sure Rashad is included in "combat axes."

terse idol
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My rbrain

faint beacon
terse idol
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Is doing good

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Today

uncut pebble
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Oh, and sapper shovels are great choices, too.

faint beacon
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Average Kobold Brain:

somber axle
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I did some funny clown science to discover if you go Bloodthirsty + Bloodletter with Carapace and a certain talent set up you consistently kill Crushers every time in 1 shredder attack but even then you're losing out on horde clear by so much when you skip Wrath/Rampage

faint beacon
uncut pebble
somber axle
uncut pebble
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Speaking of sapper shovels...

hollow turtle
#

Tactical reload Passive combined with Always Prepared Keystone Modifier make it so you'll always have that 25% reload speed bonus when switching to range.
Combine that with fleeting fire, and you'll always get a 45% reload speed buff when switching. Very nice on bolter.

uncut pebble
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Which is the easier to aim one for the special hits?

uncut pebble
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Or are the special hits the same moveset?

last parcel
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straight vertical swing

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7 is kinda angled from the right

uncut pebble
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Ah then I must just be using the wrong kind.

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I am using a mk7, yeah.

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Kind of cringe to try and dish out a free lobotomy to a bulwark only to ping off the edge of his shield because the attack angle is goofy.

pseudo fiber
#

Well 7 has the better general moveset

uncut pebble
#

It's a shovel, though? How can the moveset be much different?

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Unless the mk3 has some goofy neutral strikedown moveset I'm not aware of..?

last parcel
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7 having looping horizontal heavies while 3 has alternating strikedown and diagonal heavies

narrow bay
#

@distant warren Here are my feedback for some guns

pseudo fiber
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What backup said
3 on the left 7 on the right

narrow bay
#

Inferior shovel, can't 1 tap everyone. SADGE

scarlet path
#

Just watched the Itemization update teaser

faint beacon
scarlet path
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THE LOCKS WILL HOLD US BACK NO MORE

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Just one more month boys hold out

ocean idol
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i wish stealth was good

terse idol
faint beacon
terse idol
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Why you wishing

ocean idol
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???

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I don't see any reason to use it

faint beacon
#

Revive clutches

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Dispersing enemies

terse idol
#

It's shroudfield but a longer duration with the ability to give you a damage boost, clutch revive

faint beacon
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HVT killing

ocean idol
#

Other ults will help situations requiring such clutches to occer at all

scarlet path
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Reviving teammates

umbral scaffold
#

any one else think "super shotgun" is great with knife if you have some reload perk

terse idol
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With 0 potential to clutch besides shoot enemy better

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faint beacon
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That’s just me though

ocean idol
#

weapon specialist or focus target for bolter?

pseudo fiber
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focus target

terse idol
faint beacon
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Besides you leave stealth

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And suppress anything

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So it’s literally free attack set up

somber axle
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Focus Target and Redirect Fire helps hit some breakpoints iirc

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But I forgor which

terse idol
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Infil, WS and a revolver slaaaps

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ocean idol
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Stealth allows to get your slow ass bolter

faint beacon
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Firm WS HHA + Whatever melee I feel like using today user

terse idol
terse idol
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Not reeeeaallly

ocean idol
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the fuck you mean no

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it has very slow drawing speed

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in stealth you can draw and not care

terse idol
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Why would I use infil just to pull out my bolter?

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When I can just make space

ocean idol
#

Not "just"

faint beacon
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You can draw cancel

terse idol
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And then pull it out

ocean idol
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when elites are close

faint beacon
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Also

ocean idol
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and you want to burst them down

ocean idol
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fuck draw cancel i need a full mag all the time or i’ll have a mental breakdown chadgryn

faint beacon
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I recall certain parts of the anim you sprint to cancel it

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You’ll have to learn it though it’s the same with reloading

terse idol
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I mean I regularly play a bolter exe and focus target build the draw speed ain't that bad

faint beacon
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It’s sluggish but like

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Bolter hits hard

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Lmao

terse idol
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Then you can always pop VOC pull out your bolter

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AND get cooldown resets on VOC

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Stealth just to pull out your bolter isn't that good imo

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Which means then you're pulling it out and you're there with the bolter pulled out, and a long infil cooldown

jaunty tinsel
scenic lance
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anyone know the max toughness you can get from a relic. Is it 19 from the base stat?

jaunty tinsel
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ive only ever seen 17

umbral scaffold
jaunty tinsel
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never anything higher

somber axle
# jaunty tinsel how do you build a power sword to kill crushers effectively?

Carapace perk, Power Cycler IV, Bromentum, Desperado

You can kill a Crusher in 1 charged push attack + 2 light swings

With some of the orange buffs on ability active you can drop it down to 1 charged push attack + 1 light swing and even get down to a single 1 charged push attack for an instant 1 shot kill

scenic lance
somber axle
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Speaking for the Mk VI

jaunty tinsel
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is toughness actually the most effective defensive curio for vet?

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or is it health?

umbral scaffold
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and with my crit blessing on shotgun it can really do the job

somber axle
# jaunty tinsel is toughness actually the most effective defensive curio for vet?

Both but for different reasons. If you get 34%+ HP from curios/talents you hit a HP breakpoint to survive multiple poxburster pops without dying instantly and with 20% Sniper you can take multiple Sniper hits without going down too

But toughness is still important for surviving longer vs Gunners, Reapers, non-elite ranged, etc.

umbral scaffold
somber axle
#

You could do
2 HP curios 1 toughness
1 HP curio, 2 toughness
1 HP, 1 toughness, 1 Stam

And still achieve the important HP breakpoint while getting more toughness to survive sustained enemy ranged attacks

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If you go only 1 HP curio you will need HP perks on all curios

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21% + 15% = 36%

But chip damage can put you under the HP breakpoint so some extra HP to offset that goes a long way too

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Going double HP puts you at 42% and lets you use your perks however you want

jaunty tinsel
#

basically my build has almost every toughness node so ive been historically going 3 health but that was many patches ago

umbral scaffold
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I think having better movement is better def then more def but maybe for my type of build

somber axle
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It's very possible to have over 200 HP and 200 Toughness

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somber axle
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And also very funny how tanky you become

umbral scaffold
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most of the time you doge dmg as vet

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yeah but you can make crazy tank

somber axle
jaunty tinsel
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maybe 1/1/1 is worthit since i have deadshot

somber axle
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I know Mr. Craime posted a 1 tap Crusher clip with a single charged push attack a long time ago

jaunty tinsel
#

but i dont really feel stamina problems

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1 shot is pretty easy with a crit

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without though, i havent tested

somber axle
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It's so good

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Even without any Stam curios you can run so much longer

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Add in Stam curios and you'll never stop sprinting

umbral scaffold
jaunty tinsel
#

i mean the only thing i cant do is just sit there and let the boss beat me up

umbral scaffold
#

then I wonder who would win on max speed vet or zelot

last parcel
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meanwhile psyker is already at the finish line

somber axle
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They might not last very long but they are fastest for that very brief window

last parcel
#

it’s like playing racing game segments where you have to chain speed boosts to make it through

somber axle
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I think Zealot hits a higher consistent speed

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But Psyker has the highest burst speed

umbral scaffold
#

would be iteresting race on long distance

somber axle
#

If it's just a straight line Ogryn charge could maybe enter the race

umbral scaffold
#

but anyway good vet full team is so nice to play and watch its like a classical music the movement the harmony the tactics

delicate hornet
#

hadron paid out

last parcel
#

our violins are guns chadgryn

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delicate hornet
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lmao its just about 1 shotting crushers so im not mad

ocean idol
#

wtf are these numbers

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i alone killed 130 elites

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Bolter is nuts though

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Really like it

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I used to not like it

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what blessings i want for bolt pistol?

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i have this

midnight totem
#

Ranged weak spot to unarmored, Elite or manic

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And either

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Deadly accurate to lethal prox

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Or puncture to surgical

pseudo fiber
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Id say probably puncture to surgical

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DA4 is nice

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# ocean idol i have this

that's basically perfect for the crusher 1shot meme build, so i'd go punc --> surgical and weakspot --> elite
executioner's stance hits every other breakpoint from unarmoured/maniac

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or go lethal prox like a normal person Sitgryn

ocean idol
pseudo fiber
#

no

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ocean idol
#

wat

midnight totem
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Increases frag and krak (but frag is actually noticeable)

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Also enemies get staggered if you shoot point blank

sinful swallow
#

Puncture lethal feels great

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Surgical DA if you want a bolter flavored zarona

faint beacon
#

Lethal Prox on a Grenadier build 🤤

midnight totem
#

Twinned frags with lethal prox

faint beacon
#

Shit Is so vile

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When it procs

last parcel
#

insert lethal comedy clip here

faint beacon
#

Everything fucking dies

ocean idol
#

gotta try that

sinful swallow
faint beacon
#

I gotta dig up the clips

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One moment

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faint beacon
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Beat me too it

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Also this for confirmation on how LP works

midnight totem
#

My knife build is like this atm

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I can use either uncanny frags

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Or extra range lethal prox frags

faint beacon
#

Rending strikes is on my build

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So it has 10% rending

last parcel
#

i do uncanny shovel frags with lethal prox

faint beacon
#

Powersword to literally alt f4 everything

sinful swallow
#

I wish psword was a bit more visceral

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Chaxe is a7x_nut

midnight totem
#

It's a different kind of visceral

faint beacon
#

I like seeing limbs fly off

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Though the chains ripping into something is enjoyable

midnight totem
#

Some like the gore and blood flying apart everywhere. Others like the cauterized stench of flesh, clean cuts and I'm going to stop before I'm on a list

last parcel
#

it's too late for you

midnight totem
#

This is because of our association isn't it?

last parcel
#

n

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no

faint beacon
faint beacon
#

Okay call me insane but I seriously wish higher caliber guns would cause heads to explode into bone debris that can be left over vs like

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Their head is magically gone

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I want to feel good knowing I blew a heretics head into bone shrapnel

sinful swallow
#

Yeah

sinful swallow
#

Bolter should be red misting

faint beacon
# last parcel INQUISITOR

Inquisitor this one right here, you can see the clear mark of Tzeentch by the miscolored background

faint beacon
# sinful swallow Yeah

Look it’s occasionally happens with the Headhunters but I want to see the aftermath myself

ocean idol
#

So only advantage of bolt pistol over bolter is draw time?

faint beacon
#

Bolter has cleave

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Bistol doesn’t

serene bough
#

The niche of bistol is supression

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Idk how much I prefer the original bolter over the bistol though since the mobility is nice

faint beacon
#

It makes me consider trying the suppression node with it

serene bough
#

I use run n gun and puncture

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The supression node is nice but id only take it to boost grenade radius for lols (unless that's been patched)

tame lodge
#

*depending on armor type

somber axle
#

No matter how hard someone tries it is not feasible to one shot a Crusher on Boltgun

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If you do the same set up you get a 2 shot at best

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It hits slightly harder because of Deadly Accurate

plucky cosmos
#

what should i do with this axe?

tame lodge
#

Headtaker brutal Momentum

somber axle
#

If you like body shots Boltgun will do better because of Pinning Fire and the extra shots between reloads

tame lodge
#

Or get a new taxe

somber axle
#

Plus you can magdump for fun on Boltgun for higher DPS

plucky cosmos
#

i will get a better one but this should be okay for now

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gonna switch blessings as you said

somber axle
#

There's also the Lethal Proximity grenadier build and the funny way Puncture achieves breakpoints through bleeds

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Boltpistol does different things

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Also no cleave on Boltpistol so you can't get the funny bonus kills when elites are lined up in a column but Boltgun has cleave so it can

keen wolf
#

got this for my veteran. I don't know the weapon well. What should I change?

pseudo fiber
#

Thrust to high voltage

umbral scaffold
#

3 80%?

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Shit man youre good

#

Then get your 2nd modification on the perks and get a lvl 4 one and thats probably gett8ng you a 531 power lvl weapon

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Congrats

keen wolf
#

is Lightning Reflexes worth keeping?

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keen wolf
#

so I replace thrust with HV and crit chance fooooor... Flak?

twin ingot
#

makes hordes trivial

last parcel
twin ingot
#

but I use the 1a variant so not sure if this can apply to the MK 3 one

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thorn lark
# plucky cosmos what should i do with this axe?

Actually I use a all or nothing + headtaker mk7 on my 3 characters. I don't have to bother with BM bps and being a mk7 I am using pa + h1 all the time... So I always get between 3 to 5 stacks of all or nothing.

pseudo fiber
#

Played so well they said I was a zealot.

I'll take the compliment

serene bough
muted prairie
#

guys i have a confession: i think i like power sword 3 more than 6 😔

midnight totem
#

alrighty

#

home, time to play a game

shadow dagger
#

what perks go on mk12 shovel

midnight totem
shadow dagger
#

flak carapace?

lusty sapphire
#

You mean 7?

midnight totem
#

anybody up for a game?

lusty sapphire
#

Still toiling

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(Well that's a lie cause I'm on my phone, but I'm still working]

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midnight totem
#

why are you like this

last parcel
#

good quesiton

midnight totem
#

I'll be in strike team 3

oblique totem
#

What's new?

arctic rampart
oblique totem
#

Ah, well what do ya know

crimson pebble
mortal horizon
# torpid lion strong build

I use one almost exactly like this but I drop rending strikes and 1 other talent to leap over into agile engagement, just for the bonus dmg.
I like this idea too tho, is the 10% rending worth it tho? lots you could pickup with that point

fading yarrow
#

Is collateral useful on the bolt pistol? Just nabbed an 80 damage, 80 reload, 80 stability, 79 mobility and 60 collateral from Brunt

crimson pebble
#

Its not

fading yarrow
#

Excellent

mortal horizon
#

is the vraks mk7 headhunter still good?

fading yarrow
uncut pebble
austere mica
#

Like 1/4

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Or 1.5/4 for weapon spec

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mortal horizon
#

what exactly counts as "elite enemies" for the 15% base dmg on surperiotity complex

#

do bosses count?

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do specials and disablers counter?

mortal horizon
#

ok so all the typical melee elites

last parcel
#

im pretty sure bosses do not count

mortal horizon
#

and the rnaged ones

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not bosses

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ok cool

lusty sapphire
#

I will buy this

#

Lmao

last parcel
#

melk be smokin that crack

lusty sapphire
#

This has happened to me way too often nowdays

#

They changed something with melk

last parcel
#

ah

lusty sapphire
#

I'm posting a screen of melk every other day

last parcel
#

you did a favor for him

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i see

lusty sapphire
#

I mean

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Everything for the loot

fading yarrow
#

Bro milked Melk

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A respectable hustle

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lusty sapphire
fading yarrow
#

Do I want to learn why that's an emote here

lusty sapphire
#

We have dependable guys in the mods offices

junior needle
#

After many months of diligent work, there's uh

#

A new map

lusty sapphire
#

Hey now we can see how high the stats would get at 280 ( and get there of course)

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and

#

and

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locks are gone

junior needle
#

How nice, it only took them what

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Two years?

lusty sapphire
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oblique totem
lusty sapphire
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oblique totem
#

Ah yes. That explains it.

last parcel
#

mmmMmMmmM milk

hollow turtle
#

Just watched the itemization overview trailer. Looks like we'll still want to aim to get those 380 base rating weapons with decent stat distribution to try and max out the potential stats to 80%.

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Kind of looks like at most, you can increase any stat bar up 8% at most, but we'll see

muted gorge
#

YO FUCK THE ITEMIZATION, TRAIN LEVEL LETS GOOOOOOOO

midnight mortar
#

So at max mastery, it looks like your Power Limit will be 500.

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When you empower a weapon once, it's empowering all of the weapon's stats, increasing the modification cap by 2 and increasing power by 10?

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Certain blessings and perks will cost more of your modification cap than others by the looks of it.

haughty hedge
#

Whats the difference between each Infantry Lasgun??

#

also is there an Ogrynomicon but for Veterans?? Where can I look for a guide?

terse idol
terse idol
#

In the piinns

haughty hedge
#

I want a Horde control Melee and a Special deleter

#

Combat Axe?

#

Huh, i thought it was a single target

crimson pebble
#

I kinda fw decapitator instead of headtaker tbh

manic cloak
#

"I'm a level thirty vet myself!"

haughty hedge
#

This is the current guide i was running with

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I want to be a tactician and support my team

#

any suggestions?

radiant chasm
crimson pebble
#

The catastrophic lvls of dmg gameslantern builds have put on this game somehow

haughty hedge
#

I like Revolvers!

#

dunno about the melee

radiant chasm
#

just get combat ability regen instead if you are nervous about toughness

haughty hedge
#

and what melee should i pair it with, what would my build look like on a talent tree? >x<

crimson pebble
#

Knifes always a good option

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Power maul sort of plays like diet combat axes

haughty hedge
#

I want to try Axes

crimson pebble
#

The alt attk is nice if youre alone w a bulwark

haughty hedge
#

anyone got a skill tree I could use?

#

no marking targets?

#

Understood, is Focus Target actually any good or is it a trap

#

Understood

crimson pebble
#

I remember when the full tree finally dropped everyone was calling all the keystones dog wash

haughty hedge
#

alright m stickin to this tree for now

crimson pebble
#

Also if you can confirm 3 melee hits before switching to gun its a guaranteed crit @haughty hedge

#

Iv done a few builds w out the 60 sec nade regen and just went for demolition team to save on points

#

This is what i use for double barrel knife you could also route through smokes to get another point if needed

haughty hedge
#

Im just starting btw

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so i have no blessings yet

crimson pebble
#

I do uncanny mercy for vet

haughty hedge
#

which folding Shovel?

crimson pebble
#

I think other cole was testing it the other and precog uncanny does more dmg then mercy uncanny but only if you can hit constant crits and be procing it

crimson pebble
#

Blu one

haughty hedge
#

Just got Brutal Momentum on my axe!

crimson pebble
#

Just whatever you do dont fall to the trinity of evil (VoC, psword and plasma at the same time)

fleet garden
#

which accatran is the go now, is it still mk II

umbral scaffold
#

vld shoots too fast for me, imo its mk2

lusty sapphire
#

Best overall dmg and ammo economy is the 7

rotund turret
#

Which power sword is better?

fleet garden
#

ive got this atm

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fleet garden
rotund turret
#

What do you need on it?

#

The Lower sword

#

Power*

marble mantle
#

It definitely helps if it has a blade and a handle

#

I promise you that much

rotund turret
#

Blessings lol sry

fleet garden
#

so is the mk7 the best then

marble mantle
#

There’s no one else here so I have all the power to tell you both the best advice you’ll ever hear

#

Play Ogryn

#

Best class. Is strongest!

last parcel
# fleet garden

this one is good. lose a dodge and infernus gets beat by dumdum but will do well.

severe gale
last parcel
# fleet garden and

also good. good base but lack of headhunter means you'll be hurting on ammo. deathspitter lets you cleave scab bruisers though

rain lily
#

Anyone have any advice on Boltgun Veteran builds? I've done Boltgun on Zealot before and want to know what it's like on Vet

severe gale
#

power cycler is the blessing that is 100% needed

marble mantle
#

Noooo actual advice my greatest weakness

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severe gale
#

oh wait

#

for power sword 6

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yeah brutal momentum

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if ur running a ps3 then sunder is also good

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but ps6 sunder is a bit less good

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rotund turret
#

So
ps3 power 4 + slaughterer
Ps6 power 4 + bromentum

last parcel
#

unda da sea

rotund turret
#

What about ps6 with power 4 + slaughterer

marble mantle
#

I think they should let vet dual wield plasma pistols and increase their fire rate without decreasing damage

rain lily
rain lily
#

Now imagine Akimbo Boltpistols

marble mantle
#

Essentially just doubling the fire rate

severe gale
#

brutal momentum will always be the best blessing in the game until they nerf it

marble mantle
#

If we get more weapons and I still don’t get a fist-adjacent melee I’m taking a steamer in the mourningstar

rain lily
#

Might just replace the Plasmagun on one of my builds with Boltgun cuz Plasmagun isn't as fun anymore

marble mantle
#

Like using the shield on ogryn

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Too simple, too strong

#

Plasma pistol worse tho

crimson pebble
rain lily
#

Yeah

I land 3 fully charged shots on a crusher or something and it's still walking

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rain lily
#

With the perk that increases damage the hotter it is

#

Like bruh

lusty sapphire
#

I'm thinking that I should just change the perks here

#

This is as close to perfect as it gets lol

crimson pebble
#

No power cycler 4 and shit perks youre cooked

lusty sapphire
#

Pc3 is enough for mk6

marble mantle
last parcel
#

bro typed pc4 out of instinct

lusty sapphire
#

HAHAHA true

#

wtf

wicked epoch
lusty sapphire
#

Yeah

wicked epoch
#

why not just swap it out for 4

lusty sapphire
#

2 horizontal swipes and the push attack is also a 2 hit combo

wicked epoch
#

are you scared of a little gambling

last parcel
#

because cope

wicked epoch
#

scared of gambling?

lusty sapphire
wicked epoch
#

why not have 2

last parcel
#

sounds like cope

lusty sapphire
wicked epoch
#

i know you want pc4 on it

#

99% of gamblers quit before they win big

marble mantle
#

Why make another if the first one is already great

lusty sapphire
#

There's no gambling involved

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wicked epoch
#

we gamble

lusty sapphire
marble mantle
lusty sapphire
crude fiber
#

playing darktide in current year KEKW_ogryn

lusty sapphire
crude fiber
#

smelly in there

lusty sapphire
marble mantle
lusty sapphire
lusty sapphire
crude fiber
lusty sapphire
#

If the smell is strong then it must come from a strong person no?

marble mantle
lusty sapphire
jaunty tinsel
#

what blessings do people run with PG to make it op?

lusty sapphire
#

Get's hot and blaze away

#

or gloryhunter for mega toughness sustain

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jaunty tinsel
#

oh like the ones that do extra damage to ogryns and elites and such?

last parcel
#

yeah and the redirect fire subnode of target down

fleet garden
#

smelly ogryns idd

last parcel
#

the teats

wise fossil
marble mantle
last parcel
#

yeah i meant focus target

tall torrent
#

But it’s more preference/RNG (rn)

fleet garden
#

space marine soon then patch after it

echo copper
#

Mm, Space Marine.

midnight totem
#

Oof. Just tried knife on psyker

fleet garden
#

evolving from a vet into a space marine

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midnight totem
#

Knife/Revolver and Warp charges for damage. Did not work well for me

last parcel
#

oh

midnight totem
#

I had assail and the telekinetic shield for utility

undone quarry
midnight totem
#

Tell you what, the power of that shield went wayyy down since the introduction of pox gas bombers

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undone quarry
#

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh

midnight totem
#

The barrier is much more useful thanks to toughness regen inside it

marble mantle
# fleet garden space marine soon then patch after it

Idk sometimes I feel like the only person in this server who isn’t gonna play space marines 2. Just, doesn’t really look like a game I’d enjoy. Gear and skill customization, and the classes just look very simple and limited

#

Power to you if you’re hyped, just not for me

midnight totem
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I just want to kill tyranids and dunk on Chaos marines

marble mantle
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And power fist.

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Mmmmmmmmm power fist my beloved.

ocean heron
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is this good

marble mantle
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So take that as you will

ocean heron
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alright I'll run lmao

midnight totem
marble mantle
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To

midnight totem
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I dunno. Flak or elite

ocean heron
midnight totem
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Devastating strike to your choice of blessing

junior haven
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I call it the Butterknife.

umbral scaffold
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might play for the campaign but thats about it

midnight mesa
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Top 5 most annoying enemies?

warm kettle
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#1 the ogryn. on your team

lament pond
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pretty nice from hardon