veteran-class

[lyric dock]

On Overwatch is good training to watch your 6

And pay close attention to sound cues

That enemy behind could be some melee fodder or a rager giving you a new one

[tribal pelican]

just got overwatch chasm station low intensity with randos can confirm that toughness damage does not count unless you take chip[

[lyric dock]

Congrats

[tribal pelican]

this is wrong I got hit quite a few times but at max or overcharged toughness and took no health damage

still got penence

dont know why there is so much misinformation about this with Voice of command and or a relic weilding zealot this penence is really easy

overcharged toughness is very useful

[faint beacon]

How I did mine, but I literally went through the entire mission distancing myself from any enemy spawns

I say its better safe than sorry

[lyric dock]

I play how I normally played. Good training at being more aware of what's going on around you

And makes things less likely to catch you off guard

[tribal pelican]

yhea I didnt need to adopt a particularly out of charecter play style other then ironicly useing more melee and less ranged then ussual

[lyric dock]

Helps a lot when you become last man standing

[tribal pelican]

i know how not to get hit in melee while IN melee ironicly I struggle much more with tunnelvision and not watching my back when i got guns out

[lyric dock]

Happens to all of us when we focus on killing those elites and specialists

[umbral parrot]

Wish there was advice, but it's something you need to get the feel of. Just throw yourself into melee more often. That's why I do.

Or at least that's my go to plan.

If i take a week break, i pop in Auric, and rush the mission as fast as possible. Either i learn ASAP or die. But it usually gives me the kick i need to snap me back.

[lyric dock]

I can generally avoid stuff smacking the back of my head while I focus down shooting stuff, but sometimes you just tunnel vision a bit too much or you get a bit too trusting of your teammates

[umbral scaffold]

The gamer sense of instantly swapping and blocking a melee attack

[faint beacon]

Well good news is the LP synergy with Frags still works

Was not silently patched or changed

[tame lodge]

Are they even aware?

[faint beacon]

If not lets just

act like this is normal

[heavy rover]

I've either been playing like ass for the past few games, or has the AI director gotten tougher on auric damnation?

[tall torrent]

No, as long as the melee hit doesn’t damage ur health ur good

[tall torrent]

Working as an intended feature

Honestly outside of lethal prox grenadier build I wouldn’t consider boltpistol at all

[lusty sapphire]

There's a fun factor to it with run n gun/lethal proximity

[tall torrent]

But that grenadier build is genuinely so strong that it might be top 5 best veteran builds overall

It’s just quite limiting in what melee u can run

[tall torrent]

I unironically think lethal prox + run&gun is the best boltpistol build for veteran bar none

Surgical + DA doesn’t come remotely close to “ogryn nuke every minute”

[umbral scaffold]

Don't tell me run n gun increases bleed damage

[tall torrent]

Doesn’t matter much

[lusty sapphire]

I'd rather run&gun + puncture unironically. Flamers survive with 1 hp literally

[tall torrent]

It’s mainly blast radius

[tall torrent]

Nah u don’t need puncture

Maniac perk gives u flamer 1HS

[lusty sapphire]

Then that's the build I guess

[upbeat mortar]

What are good blessings for the Bolt Pistol?

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1270955435918229636/Screenshot_2024-08-08_000257.png?ex=66bcd53d&is=66bb83bd&hm=37a08b000d2e1d0396d481cc5426933ee9a35cce21b7352f8a5f9787a3350f8c&

Power sword + boltpistol

Nuke everything every minute

[lusty sapphire]

Honestly i've never really ran run&gun before but I have to say that having the gun "always" ready to shoot is nice

[normal river]

I just got level 30 as the veteran what build do you guys recommend for a sniper loadout using kantrael mg12 and mark 7 shovel

[tall torrent]

Run&gun has a hidden benefit where it gives ur gun instant sprint-to-fire

[tall torrent]

Run&gun + lethal proximity
Maniac + elite

[lusty sapphire]

You push and push and kill and push and if your team can keep up you literally mow down all heretics on the map with such ease it's insane

[tame lodge]

Reduced spread my beloved

[mighty anvil]

Kantreal MG infernus build?

[tall torrent]

U start by not taking infernus on infantry Lasguns

[lusty sapphire]

Rashad and blitz do a lot of the heavy lifting but it's a good combo

[upbeat mortar]

This is what I am sitting on right now. Is run and gun that worth it or would getting Flak over Carapace be better?

[tall torrent]

It’s hard to run Rashad in a grenadier build cuz the build is super point intensive in grenades

[mighty anvil]

hmm

[normal river]

is there a ranalds gift web equivalent for darktide

[tall torrent]

Depends on what you’re using boltpistol for

[mighty anvil]

I feel like my lasgun build is missing some damage

[tall torrent]

The strongest boltpistol build rn is grenadier where u blast the whole map with frags

[lusty sapphire]

Which lasgun, what perk

[mighty anvil]

loading pics 1 sec

[upbeat mortar]

I guess I should ask what I can use it for. I just came back from a long break and got this recently and have never used it. Looking for sugestions on how to run it.

[lusty sapphire]

What's that abomination in the bottom right

At the very least take off reciprocity and exploit for weapon specialist and agile engagement

[tall torrent]

There’re mainly 2 ways to run boltpistol

1. You turn it into a specialist sniping tool that does ok vs all sorts of enemies but has recoil & sway jank

2. You make a grenadier build focused on frag grenades where u get to play super aggressive frontline with frags as an option to wipe mixed horde

[umbral scaffold]

It fucking what now

[upbeat mortar]

Sounds good, I feel the first option is outweighed by the revolver and better weapons at that job so I will probably go with the second build. I am assuming Run and Gun and Lethel Prox are the second option but I am curious on what the blessings for the special snipe option are.

[tall torrent]

Yea
First option you go surgical + deadly accurate

2nd option is Run&gun + lethal proximity

[tall torrent]

U never knew abt this?

[upbeat mortar]

Thankfully I have a second good Bolt Pistol. Hopefully I can get good rolls on this one too.

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol only rly cares about 2 perks

Maniac (flamer 1HS)
Elite (Dreg gunner 1HS)

Everything else not that impactful (generally speaking)

[upbeat mortar]

Thanks for the run down on the gun. I look forward to going out and trying it.

[hot whale]

Yo quick question:

I know the plasma gun is better, but I’ve been having alot of fun with the recon laz VI-A. Is it viable for auric maelstrom?

[lusty sapphire]

Everything is viable for aurics if you hit your shots and build correctly

Especially the recons after the buffs

[faint beacon]

Headhunter on any Recon with like DumDum is the best combo, infernus if you're feeling spicy

[hot whale]

Lit. Running it with dum dum and headhunter

dude

[faint beacon]

Run shocktrooper as a talent

like thats mandatory

[hot whale]

I am. Predicted ur message lol

[faint beacon]

so you dont vacuum ammo up as much as possible

[hot whale]

Right. Able to pump out like 120-170 shots with shock troop and my crit build

[faint beacon]

But yeah went from Vets worst gun to like, a Solid A gun

[tall torrent]

When’re u getting on

[faint beacon]

Eventually I want to harass randoms with LP Grenades if we do

[brittle hollow]

is a sniper build for vet?

[faint beacon]

Vraks VII

thats your start

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

that or ILG or Helbore

[brittle hollow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b7e145e-02db-4c7b-9f50-8d51240a7c36/cloack-sniper-unlimited-ammo

[hot whale]

…what IS vets best gun?

[brittle hollow]

iam following that one

[tall torrent]

Zarona revolver

[faint beacon]

This can be said with any class

[tall torrent]

Don’t

[faint beacon]

Zarona is that overtuned

[faint beacon]

Gameslatern Avoid

[tall torrent]

Nah, Columnus is better than Zarona on zealot/psyker

Veteran just gets to bypass almost all of zarona’s flaws

[hot whale]

Is it worth using the revolver if it sacrifices the Cadian look tho? I’m asking the real questions up in here

[lusty sapphire]

Yes

[tall torrent]

What Cadian look u got

[lusty sapphire]

It's that good

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Btw im completely fucking cooked after working an open to close shift im down to play just not VC just as a heads up

[hot whale]

Want me to DM it to you or tell u the parts

[brittle hollow]

where can i find a full build?

[tall torrent]

U don’t have to talk

[faint beacon]

Give it a bit

when your name turns red you can send links and images

not in general thats the only exception

[hot whale]

Oh

Damn

[tall torrent]

If u want Cadian this is abt the most Cadian u can get

[tame lodge]

John Cadia

[hot whale]

I’m running:

The Navis Imperialis boarding helm

Veteran Sentry uniform

Militarum heavy boots

And progenia backpack

Trying to look like one of my miniatures

[umbral scaffold]

Haha of course I knew it, I know everything and was just checking if others did too

[tall torrent]

[lusty sapphire]

This is what I'd usually run on a vraks sniper build

[brittle hollow]

why not left aura and keystone?

[lusty sapphire]

Main focus on the gun with agile engagement so that your melee still holds and plenty of kraks regen so that you can deal with armour

[lusty sapphire]

Cause there's plenty of ammo around the map and because maintaining the left keystone buff is tedious to me

You can go for it

[tall torrent]

Most guns don’t actually need survivalist outside of no ammo maelstrom

[hot whale]

@lusty sapphire yo can you send that revolver vet build?

[lusty sapphire]

Ask @tall torrent

[umbral scaffold]

Stinktown

They done gave a demigod the ability to pierce 69 poxwalkers with a five-shooter

[lusty sapphire]

Very based, ty for answering

[brittle hollow]

so the current strongest sniper is helbore?

[umbral scaffold]

Revolver

[last parcel]

time to scrap for dockets

[hot whale]

No scavenger?

[lusty sapphire]

Scavenger is a point tax

[hot whale]

Actually?

[lusty sapphire]

Just look for ammo

[last parcel]

i prefer commando pro

[hot whale]

I heard it was like goated

Damn

[brittle hollow]

which blessings are best for vraks?

vii

[lusty sapphire]

Surgical and opening salvo

Or surgical and deadly accurate

[hot whale]

What blessings do you want on John Revolver?

[lusty sapphire]

Surgical and handcannon

[hot whale]

Handcannon from Destiny 2?! Is that a destiny 2 reference?!

I’m sorry

[lusty sapphire]

You will not be forgiven

[last parcel]

d*stiny player

[lusty sapphire]

The tax for such transgression is plasteel slave for 5 months

[hot whale]

Shit

Reminds of working as a fucking Penal servant in a roblox rp server when I was like 10

[lusty sapphire]

Good good

[hot whale]

Had to atone 😔✊

[lusty sapphire]

You have experience

[hot whale]

Dude it was wild

Like a 1700s colonial game and I like… betrayed the militia group and got like a bounty on me until I payed by dues

[last parcel]

[umbral scaffold]

dude was a federal ouitlaw at the age of 10

holy shit

[lusty sapphire]

They grow up so fast

[hot whale]

They had me in the mines making musket balls for a week and a half. Atleast three hours a day bro

[umbral scaffold]

me

[idle pecan]

How many status effects popped up

Holy balls

[hot whale]

Just hit level 30 and got a 378 plas gun

Life could be a dream ~

[tall torrent]

Most guns don’t need it

[hot whale]

Should I run scav or the dmg bonus on a plas gun knife build

[tall torrent]

Depends on how much u want to use plasma

But also plasma is pretty hard to build

[bronze umbra]

ah yes

[wicked epoch]

best thing ive seen

[tall torrent]

If ur plasma doesn’t hit 1 shot breakpoints it’s not nearly as good as it should be

[brittle hollow]

helbore mk 3 or vraks vii

[mighty anvil]

thank you im smacking

[last parcel]

stability is too high

[idle pecan]

Send me that mod

P l e a s e

[uncut pebble]

open vet chat
backup degenerate item descriptions
close vet chat

[last parcel]

sure thing
https://github.com/Backup158/DarktideBetterDescriptionsUwuify

[idle pecan]

I love it so much

[lucid hinge]

Tempted to download it ngl

[strange crow]

Yes commissar this one right here

[little path]

https://tenor.com/view/nba-gif-15687325833433865178

[mighty anvil]

The kantreal MG is Mid but i still love it, I don't understand

[hot whale]

Oh my god

I have image privileges now

[last parcel]

because shooting people with a laser gun is cool

[hot whale]

Nah. I’m John Cadian

[last parcel]

cadeez nuts

[bronze palm]

Coming back after not playing for 8 months. Using this build with plasma gun and shovel. Any nerfs or buffs I should be aware of? Or is this still a reasonable build?

[idle pecan]

It's not bad but I'd drop agile engagement for keystone

Focus target infinitely better

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/worm-floppy-worm-gif-25128076

Worm moment

[idle pecan]

Worms be worming

[marble mantle]

[bronze palm]

Just focus target, or also some perks under it?

[idle pecan]

Dead ass just focus target. Take target down if you run deadshot

[marble mantle]

Why would you take the travel nodes if you’re not taking agile

[idle pecan]

It's like a 40% DMG boost if you have 5 stacks

[marble mantle]

Then he can take redirect and target

[hot whale]

Guys

On console

What’s this description bro

[last parcel]

the result of the hotfix

[marble mantle]

You know

[last parcel]

it broke a bunch of other blessings too

[hot whale]

Oh word?

Ty

Was hella confused

[idle pecan]

New buff, crashes game

[last parcel]

determined is unnecessary on plasma because it already has suppression immunity

[bronze palm]

Hmm good to know

[mighty anvil]

does this still proc at zero stam?

[thorn lark]

no

[marble mantle]

If it did I have a feeling it would be a much bigger pick for ppl

Considering it would essentially have no drawback if you have on stam regen curios

[mighty anvil]

is it a headshot a crit?

[tame lodge]

No

A headshot is a headshot
A Crit is a Crit
And a critical headshot is a critical headshot

[mighty anvil]

Is bromentum good on mk3 power sword

[rigid pilot]

Yes

[slow sky]

Head: EMPTY

[marble mantle]

On that mewing grind

Look like he got a baseball in his jaw

[mighty anvil]

i read that as titty

[marble mantle]

I sure do have a tidy mind then

Pristine even

[covert moat]

ummmmmmm

i broke it

[last parcel]

fatshark broke it

[covert moat]

sounds bout right

[runic peak]

So, hear me out right, Vraks mk3 with Ghost IV is OP

Except for the tiny ammo pool

[marble mantle]

It got too hot

[wicked epoch]

i ought

[grand perch]

cadeez nuts tend to explode, dont eat them

[wicked epoch]

i ought to add you to the list

[urban steppe]

was there a shop update too ? 🤔

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-howard-bj-novak-taking-notes-noted-the-office-gif-21242726

[rigid pilot]

Broken means getting changes

Same as thunderous

[supple stag]

I was thinking of testing the forsaken recon lasguns, VIIa or VId is a better choice?

[earnest bone]

both are good, if you want to use dot damage (Infernus) it's the VId

if you want instant antielite-special killer

[tame lodge]

They all receive some adjustments

[earnest bone]

it's VIIa

[supple stag]

I was planning to utilize either Infiltrate or Exe Stance, bored of VoC tbh

[plain escarp]

Bro what happened to falter

[supple stag]

"Hotfix"

Fatshark moment generally

They have good intentions but the way they sometimes tackle things leave a lot to be desired

[tame lodge]

Falter so good it messed with the code

[supple stag]

🗣️

[rigid pilot]

Just means unused blessings getting changed

Finally

[plain escarp]

Hope it leads to good

[supple stag]

What perks should I aim for if I pick VIIa with Exe stance?

[earnest bone]

Flak/Maniac
Dumdum / Headhunter

Can probably substitute Headhunter with Deathspitter if critical headshots/weakspots hits arent your thing

[mighty anvil]

O_o

[earnest bone]

free dumdum4

🍖

[mighty anvil]

shuld i earn the dum dum or try and make the gun work

[earnest bone]

nah

eat it

[mighty anvil]

😄

[supple stag]

Yeah, I got blessings covered, just needed perks, thanks

I'll cook something out once I get proper sleep, hitting 24 hours sleepless

Many thanks fine Veteran

[earnest bone]

[mighty anvil]

how can i improve this one

[last parcel]

bro got the knockoff iag

[earnest bone]

on the day crafting update hits

[mighty anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/ree-pepe-triggered-angry-ahhhh-gif-13627544

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-point-and-laugh-patrick-star-gif-7225101

[earnest bone]

You can still use it as a damage onslaught machine, just not that strong on bosses since Infernus is missing

and replacing Dum with Infernus there is meh idea

[mighty anvil]

hmmm

Praying to Omnissiah for good rng

[earnest bone]

well its already busted

you got 2/2

needed

tho sad infernus is III

if you'l get dum3, can bump infernus to IV

[mighty anvil]

so i just need dum dum?

[earnest bone]

Dum and you can replace Carapace with Maniacs or Elites

oh wait 9 stacks on III

not 12

meh

[mighty anvil]

im tempted to just roll both dum4 and infern4

[earnest bone]

now you have a choice either to bump it to 4 or replacing cara

that up to you tho

both choices are fine i guess

[mighty anvil]

ima fuck around in the range

Wait im trolling, Krak nades are for carapce

[covert moat]

LMFAO

[severe gale]

sad

[rigid pilot]

Free bunctur

[runic peak]

What to change on these? It's for stealth vet, thinking I might have swapped out incorrectly 😄

[earnest bone]

The one with Executor and Mercy Killer
Executor -> Uncanny Strike and you also need a talent that gives bleed per hit

to use Mercy Killer

[runic peak]

Yeh got bleed serrated

[earnest bone]

then just uncanny for max potential

[runic peak]

👍

[junior needle]

You generally don't want to take infernus without a crit printing setup, as the already mediocre average value goes down considerably.

Headhunter is BIS on vet

Assuming you can click heads

So headhunter/infernus or headhunter/dumdum

[stiff glacier]

Infernus dumdum is ok on psyker

[tame lodge]

Because of True Aim

Scrier's

Crit aura

Crit sub node

That's why they should make Shock Trooper inspired blessing

And give it to the recons

[rigid pilot]

It already exists on ilas

[brittle hollow]

which is better vraks mk7 or hellbore mk3 (in terms of sniper gameplay

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1273096619038081055/image.png?ex=66bd5f1e&is=66bc0d9e&hm=e68e00472af8b7175d3187815d2f69a0a651360e6279e482fb434b1f354f8045&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1074&height=671

i am using this build by beziik

[true umbra]

hellbore fan all day

[umbral scaffold]

They buffed the helbore 3's light attacks and charge time at some point and honestly it feels really fucking good to play compared to what I remember

Now you can clown on shooters and don't take two years charging

[brittle hollow]

which melee weapon can deal with hordes best?

[pseudo fiber]

Power sword

[brittle hollow]

any certain mk?

[umbral scaffold]

Rashad and Antax with brutal momentum are very brain-off, power sword with power cycler as well, devil's claw if you don't care about having shit lights against flak, uhhhh

forgor 💀

[delicate hornet]

combat blades are good for horde if you set them up to bleed but you also kinda need reciprocity+desperado

[severe gale]

shock mauls, chain swords, power swords

combat axes

almost every melee weapon on vet can

only weapon i’d say is worst is knife

just because unless ur running a crit melee build for flesh tearer

it’s not that great

[delicate hornet]

deffo requires more setup but theyre really good when u do

pretty braindead to m1 spam and dodge with the mk3

[severe gale]

particularly mk6 knife*

mk3 knife has next to no cleave

so FT only gets applied to like

2-3 enemies max

mk6 knife is much better

tbf it’s better as a general purpose knife as a whole

[umbral scaffold]

With weapon specialist and stacking crit chance, knife already does quite nice on hordes with just light spam

Well, and the myriad of vet buffs to melee

And other stuff that melee benefits from, like the weakspot talent

[heavy rover]

Adding to what was already mentioned, shovels

[pseudo fiber]

Mk6 is considered the best

Shovels are great for their crowd control.

Love my shovel

[heavy rover]

Same. I've experimented with so many different melee weapons, but I find myself going back to the shovel

[severe gale]

vet has the highest potential melee dps and it makes me sad (i think)

zealot melee is the most consistent

but vet’s is just stupid sometimes

they have so many fucking buffs

rending and more rending and more rending and how about a little brittleness and a bit of power

[true umbra]

amen

[umbral scaffold]

Vet is the most consistent to me sometimes

Aside from reciprocity, you get the attack speed, finesse, crit chance, weakspot, travel nodes all entirely passive

There's also the wacky shit like ogryn and elite damage, 10% rending

Vet has some weird passive stuff

[lyric dock]

Vet kinda has a bit of everything

[umbral scaffold]

Zealot is into shit like "crit this enemy, dodge this one, run around, backstab them"

Vet melee is ironically more "look at enemy and click" than zealot sometimes

[vivid silo]

I mean, critting and dodging is more or less passive as it happens constantly without thought

The difference between having something passively and after a dodge is more or less nonexistant in my opinion

[severe gale]

i meant most consistent as in, safest and most reliable

[severe gale]

yah that’s what i hate

vet’s melee is stupid

[plain escarp]

power sword rocks tho

[junior needle]

Yep. Psyker does not have shock trooper and already gets headhunter (and more) for free, therefore making it redundant. Recons are not particularly good choices for leveraging scriers due to shit finesse damage though.

[midnight totem]

Recons should have higher suppression

Because laser goes in eye makes ouchy

[strange crow]

Aren’t recons already crazy cracked rn

At least the VId is

[idle swallow]

Should I try rolling for a bromentum Mk6 psword if I already have a sunder version or nah

Also yea vld recon has big stonks rn

[midnight totem]

Eh, do it

I prefer sunder mk3 and bromentum mk6

[idle swallow]

I almost never use heavies on the Mk6 so the bonus damage sunder gives definitely feels a bit wasted

[midnight totem]

Nah

[worthy tide]

Hey yall I have quick question about the overwatch penance

Does toughness and demonhost/grimiore corruption count as damage?

[pseudo fiber]

Toughness damage no.

Grim damage... yes?

[worthy tide]

damn thats prob why I didnt get it last time.

We had some grimiores and I didnt take any melee damage as far as I noticed

[pseudo fiber]

It's health damage probably a catch all.

[worthy tide]

thats good to know atleast Il avoid those objectives next time

thank ye ^^

[pseudo fiber]

Np gamer you got this

[midnight totem]

Sorry, got interrupted. What I was gonna say was

Even if mk6 has the diagonal cleaves, they're still very potent

Mix one in now and then for hordes, especially ones with ragers in them

Because the cleave on heavy swings is still much higher then that of lights

[radiant sable]

I GOT IT

OMNISSIAH BE PRAISED

[pseudo fiber]

Nuce

Hang on dont eat that

[radiant sable]

I wasn't going to lmao

[pseudo fiber]

Good good thats really good

Enjoy gamer

[radiant sable]

I will

I got the purple one - everything as-is without gets hot - from the emperor last night

everyone's like "yeah see if you can get Gets Hot on it"

and lo and behold

praying to the omnissiah worked

[lyric dock]

Hadron decided to let you win

Now proceed to brick the next 100 weapons

[deep fable]

I love having everyone steal the power stims as a gunlugger ogryn

Love it

[lyric dock]

Pretty minor compare to ammo being stolen from you

Or grenades if you're running the nuke

[somber axle]

Celerity stim only Recon Mk VId Weapon Specialist

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-cat-fast-gif-19144023

[finite imp]

3 years later this game still has a blessing text display bug

[pseudo fiber]

3?

[last parcel]

3

[finite imp]

9 actually if you don't think about it

[pseudo fiber]

This game is 10 years old in dog years

[finite imp]

FURRY ALERT

[last parcel]

here comes the knot

[finite imp]

https://tenor.com/view/run-bombs-gif-7915724

[lyric dock]

This bug does appear, gets squashed, and then reappears a few hot fixes later

[faint beacon]

Darktide is now 10 years old 😟

[manic cloak]

Somehow the bugged text description is more informative than the non-bugged description.

[terse idol]

Well

Only because new updates break it

Last patch was pretty smooth

Now the bugs have resurfaced

[finite imp]

I've been waiting for the crafting overhaul for 80 years

[uncut pebble]

Man, this guy is OLD.

Anywho, anyone else mute the game music and play their own music in the background?

[steady sandal]

Hey, how do i get a godlike plasma gun
i bought a few got some 80% dmg ones and have earned the bless gets hot and blaze away

[uncut pebble]

I've been playing with the mechanicus soundtrack playing in the background, and it sounds really nice when you have a less intense soundtrack going.

[steady sandal]

am i looking for perfect perk or can i reroll those?

[last parcel]

i have both of them playing on top of each other

[uncut pebble]

Well, you're insane, Backup. I can't exactly blame you for doing anything.

[last parcel]

no im perfectly normal

[uncut pebble]

Perks are significantly less important to plasma than blessings are. There's some specific stat ceilings you want to hit, but I'm not knowledgeable enough to tell you those numbers. Sorry.

I do know that charge rate is your dump stat.

[hard cave]

[crimson veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-uruk-hai-carnivores-gif-1083038230539710310

[uncut pebble]

You aren't supposed to rmb charge the plasma gun, so the only thing charge rate affects would be the delay between clicking lmb and it actually shooting.

[crimson veldt]

unga bunga

[uncut pebble]

And even then, the affect it has is minimal.

[crimson veldt]

unga bunga

[steady sandal]

alright

ill post some that i think are ok after my game

[uncut pebble]

Yes, unga bunga. Spam click crusher heads until you stop seeing ogryns walk towards you.

[uncut pebble]

Need to have the convict role to post images. I don't think it's a time thing to get it, but a message amount thing.

[steady sandal]

oh okay

ill just give some values then

[uncut pebble]

Just participate in some conversations here and there and ask some questions.

The more knowledge you absorb, the less help you need, and the more help you can give others.

[steady sandal]

absolutely

]im just new to the game got it a week or two ago

[uncut pebble]

Well, godspeed to you, then. The Emperor protects.

[hallow parcel]

oof that stopping power

[uncut pebble]

Pain.

If only stopping power and charge rate were swapped.

[hallow parcel]

if only

[hardy comet]

is stopping power not the dump stat?

[uncut pebble]

Hang onto it, crafting update might save it.

[uncut pebble]

No, stopping power is something you want high. Stability is the big dump, charge rate is the second dump.

[hardy comet]

from what i read, cant shift stat distrabution

[uncut pebble]

They're adding some form of stat improvements, iirc.

[hallow parcel]

stopping power is penetration my guy

[uncut pebble]

So his helbore is almost perfect.

Basically just guaranteed all the stat improvements will be on stopping power.

[hardy comet]

its mostly based off existing distrabution to be able to boost the weapon to 380 from what i read

[uncut pebble]

I may have misunderstood, then.

[hallow parcel]

gotta keep that grind in the game somehow

It also will more than likely eat up points you would spend elsewhere

[uncut pebble]

Still wouldn't be a bad idea to hang onto it in case that isn't what they decide to go with.

Ideally they would just make it so enough grinding results in an actual perfect weapon.

[hallow parcel]

I already have some good helbores in the upper 370's with good stats

[uncut pebble]

80% in all stats, no locks, that sort of thing.

[sinful swallow]

How long do you think before we can finally go to 100

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, I have no idea if they even plan to do that.

[junior vortex]

any gun sugestions for the marksman focus penance and mision

[uncut pebble]

Recon mk7, any mission.

Run shock trooper.

[sinful swallow]

For penance take the talent that builds on crouching and just melee

[uncut pebble]

Mk7 has cleave, so just aim for the face in hordes and you'll clear them fairly quickly.

[idle swallow]

Nah join the manstopper lawbringer cult and special shot hordes at head height to gib them all in one or two rounds

[junior vortex]

been using the colomnus gonna try that recon mk7

[last parcel]

manstopper gang rise up

dies of hadron

[terse idol]

Basically all weapons have the potential to be upgraded to a max 380

You can see the potential of any given stat to rise to max before you want to invest into it

[sinful swallow]

So really you want some trash 330 and upgrade that then?

Since you can stop at thresholds and all your dumps are dumped

[hardy comet]

you cant controll where the stats go

imagine it has the same distrabution, just at 380 value

[terse idol]

You could upgrade a power level 50 to 380

[sinful swallow]

Lol worthless update

[terse idol]

I mean

[sinful swallow]

So yippee it says 550 on my guns

[hardy comet]

it makes it so sub 350s are still worth keeping

[terse idol]

You see the max potential

Of any given stat

Then you just raise said stats using resources

[radiant chasm]

the amount of good/useable brunts will skyrocket

[terse idol]

Yeah 350's are gonna be worth it

If they have the potential to be upgraded to be worthwhile

Instead of 350's rn being worthless

Or 340's or 330 etc

[hardy comet]

also no cap on modfications on weapons

[terse idol]

No perk or blessing cap

[radiant chasm]

or 300s, or weapons you start with even, it's def focused for new players

[lyric dock]

Crafting rework will be a good boon overall. Way better than playing at Hadron's Casino

[hardy comet]

so you can get a good distrabution off melk and replace everything

[terse idol]

You just have to grind out enough mastery XP

[radiant chasm]

while returning players get a headstart

[terse idol]

Yeah I dunno Tresdin it's... actually pretty good

[hardy comet]

if you already have a blessing claimed, you keep that and get mastery exp towards that weapon family

[inland orchid]

Mfw my emperor’s gift pile is gonna get some use

[hasty harness]

Ya sahs should respect ya Ogryns.

[last parcel]

we love our big men

[hasty harness]

Gud
keep it that way, otherwise we will see you as Special shouties

[serene ivy]

you pulled this in every chat didnt you

[lucid hinge]

yes

[hasty harness]

Yeah, had to show dominance

[serene ivy]

[hallow parcel]

wait, don't all shotguns share blessings?

[last parcel]

ironhelm double barrel is separate

[hallow parcel]

can't I just start a zealot, get a lawbringer at level 2 and then wait until I'm high enough level to get man-stopper?

[last parcel]

yes

[hallow parcel]

hell ye

[lyric dock]

I always respect a Ogryn. They part the seas of hell iself to save us

[steady sandal]

can anyone help me out, couple of minutes only on a call. a few questions about the plasma gun im trying to get a really good one, will stream my game

[last parcel]

what if you just ask specific questions here so people can answer and have the information/discussion available for every one else

[steady sandal]

like i mentioned above, just only got lvl 30 character couple of missions ago
had been told to keep all my mats and gold for when i reach this point and only then try to roll for a good weapon

got a few 80% dmg ones but obv not all the stats are what i assume we are looking for

not exactly sure if any of them are considered top tier

[last parcel]

the main thing is dmg/stopping power as high as possible

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs
78%+ in damage & 77%+ in stopping power
60%+ in ammo
69%+ in thermal resist

+elite dmg perk
+flak dmg perk (maniac works but isn’t as good as flak overall)

Gets hot
Gloryhunter/Blaze away (gloryhunter is better imo)

[steady sandal]

the 80 77 has good stats but perks and blessing is off

so do i trash it and keep looking for a better one ? or is there a way to fix it

like the blessing part i think we can fix with re bless

it has :
80% in damage & 77% in stopping power
76% in ammo
79% in thermal resist
42% in charge

perks: 20% dmg (unarmoured enemies)
8% ranged weak spot dmg

blessing: gloryhunter (assumed gets hot and blaze away was the ones i needed)

[gilded notch]

brutal momentum worth taking on power sword? i've heard differing opinions

[lyric dock]

Very worth it

It makes chewing through crowds much easier compare to the other options like Slaughter

There's a video some where shows the difference between them all some where in this chat

[raw needle]

yes

15% weakspot dmg is also huge

[lyric dock]

A big difference between only kill 3 enemies with a power sing and killing 7 with a bromementum

[raw needle]

the end result would be 7 im pretty sure

cause momentum gives you 4 targets without cleave falloff

[lyric dock]

Okay. Didn't know it had a internal cap

[terse idol]

4 is max for bromentum

Which I mean

It's still great for Psword

[raw needle]

fatshark descriptions ™️

[terse idol]

The extra weakpoint description slaps vs crushers

[lyric dock]

Still chews through crowds when shit hits the fan

And deal with ragers, maulers and crushers that bit faster with headshots

[last parcel]

i wouldn't call 5% extra damage huge lol, especially when compared to the 4 target part

[raw needle]

no matter how you look at it it is an increase of like what, 300dmg against crushers per hit?

so yeah its pretty huge

[lyric dock]

The difference between killing a crusher or it barely living to pancake you

[raw needle]

well its mostly there for the convenient 2 hit kill

with push into light

[steady sandal]

Just updating the question not spamming

got a plasma gun for example with:
80% in damage & 77% in stopping power
76% in ammo
79% in thermal resist
42% in charge

perks: 20% dmg (unarmoured enemies)
8% ranged weak spot dmg

blessing: gloryhunter (assumed that i needed gets hot and blaze away )

Question is: Is there a way to fix the perks and blessings and is it worth it for such stats if so ?
(i got the Gets hot and blaze away in my library as a blessing from sacrifices just unsure how to do it)
but dont know if the** perks** are fixable and if i need to trash it and keep looking by gambling with my gold

[tall torrent]

Can be fixed, u just need +elite

[raw needle]

42 charge i would probably throw away

[lyric dock]

That charge speed though

[raw needle]

base kinda low ish

idk if the crafting update would fix it

[tall torrent]

+flak is not mandatory but is nice to have

[lyric dock]

I can feel how sluggish that Plasma is gonna be

[steady sandal]

thought we didnt need charge

just spam clicking

[lyric dock]

Click, , Fire

Charge speed still effects the basic uncharged shots iirc

Which does reduce your overall fire rate which can put you into some....Bad spots

[steady sandal]

so should i keep rolling for better stats?

[uncut pebble]

Charge rate is the dump stat, but that still is a really low value.

The plasma you just rolled is serviceable.

[steady sandal]

alright what about the perks how do we fix those ? is there a way? to reroll perks?

[uncut pebble]

Upgrade it to transcendent, change weak spot to elite damage, make sure you have gets hot on it somehow.

[last parcel]

refine item

[lyric dock]

And you happen to roll Get hot. That saves you 1 of 2 fixes

If you don't get. 🧱

[steady sandal]

can i not re bless with a blessing i have in library?

[lyric dock]

You can

But that still consumes one of your 2 fixes

[steady sandal]

i see

[gilded notch]

cool ty

[steady sandal]

meanwhile all the trash plasma guns i sell back for a fraction of the gold right? no point in using them for something like their blessings

[lyric dock]

Welcome to the Hadron Casino

Where all promising weapons go to die

[steady sandal]

xd

[jaunty tinsel]

im basically choosing between Marksman (20% power on weakspot hit for 10 seconds after activating ability) and Precision Strikes (+30% weak spot damage)

what does 20% power actually do?

[last parcel]

+20% damage, cleave, and stagger

[jaunty tinsel]

cleave doesnt mean anything for a gun though, does it?

[steady sandal]

got it i have literally everything on it only negative thing is charge rate 42 :(

i wouldve screened it and posted it but i dont have the role for that

[lyric dock]

Keep chatting. You'll get promoted in due time

[steady sandal]

anyways i appreciate all the help thank you very much!

oh last thing! what melee should i pair my veteran with now that i have a semi good plasma

[lyric dock]

Try out the melee options and see what clicks

[steady sandal]

alright !

[uncut pebble]

Now thats a plasma gun!

[hot whale]

Yo

Is the Columnus still good?

Kinda wanna try it out

[last parcel]

infantry autogun yes

[hot whale]

Lit.

[wooden brook]

Are all the rambo builds bad now?

[last parcel]

describe a rambo build

[wooden brook]

skirmisher

[muted knot]

What

[wooden brook]

I'll get you a full rundown WHEN MY GAME LOADS IN ffs

[last parcel]

like, just that talent? yeah that one is pretty shit

[wooden brook]

*verifying files for some reason

yeah, I've been running middle basically, then last on right

*don't even know what they're called and I've been playing since beta!

[muted knot]

Sounds super okay so gar

*far

Weapon specialist is still great

VoC is still best in Slot

[wooden brook]

Was running middle then frag, then voc then +5dmg then weapon spec

with revo and chainsword

[slender anvil]

weapon specialist goated

[last parcel]

if you mean like this, it's the opposite of bad

[wooden brook]

yeah, I got some on far left too

like I think there's an elite dmg one or something and toughness

I also use this

[last parcel]

oh rending strikes

[wooden brook]

rending to ALL weapons

[muted knot]

Yeah you dont really need that usually

[hot whale]

Ew

Dude rending does not do what you think it does

[last parcel]

i don't think that actually changes anything for revolver

[wooden brook]

well sheeet

[hot whale]

Yeah. Dosent help Jack hit any breakpoints unfortunately. Just kinda a waste

[wooden brook]

and there's me 1 shotting crushers on damnation.

*note I'm a bit out of it atm

have covid

[last parcel]

but anyways weapon specialist revolver is a top tier vet build so the answer to your original question is no

[wooden brook]

So, my game was off after the update due to covid... roger that!

[last parcel]

yup

beat back that virus and you'll be good

[wooden brook]

Nurgle has infected me

was so embarrassed

went down twice

Right... I'm gonna go take some painkillers and go practice my knife juggling.

[steady sandal]

just tested it. first shot is a bit slow but after first shot its fast

i can spam click normally

[lyric dock]

For weapons that spam click. I recommend full auto. Will both save your mouse and your hand

[last parcel]

a dumped charge rate barely makes a difference so that makes sense

it was like a frame slower when people last tested it here lol

[muted knot]

To be fair they did tune the Missions a little to the Harder Side

Could be that to

[lyric dock]

Or been getting pretty meh teammates

Good difficulty modifier

[last parcel]

yeah i am the +difficulty modifier

[worthy tide]

sigh this overwatch penance is so strict

I thought I had it this time but a chaos spawn took a nibble at me but it didnt break my toughness.

[tribal pelican]

yall the marksmen's focus penence is insufferable i just got vote kicked for "constantly going afk"

[serene bough]

crouch walk then melee

[tribal pelican]

hmmmmmm never would have thought of that

ill give it a shot

gonna definatly get more odd looks in game though lol

[serene bough]

yeah the kills dont have to be ranged, so take the perk that build stacks for standing still or crouching and just whack things

or you could just run an Mg4 iLas and spray at heads and crowds

[lyric dock]

Any sort of health damage and good bye overwatch

[jaunty tinsel]

iirc i specifically got this on a low int malice, or whichever is the minimum difficulty

[worthy tide]

same I just try to get it whenever the consignment yard appears which is the easiest place to do imo

its really annoying that throughout the mission I just take a lil bit of damage which happened 3x times by now

[jaunty tinsel]

i lived in the corners and just ignored anything that couldve possibly aggroed to me

i think i totally just left my team to do the boss fight lol

VoC spam is super nice for that too just to keep everyone off you

[tall torrent]

extra good because rending+ADM is a separate multiplicative bracket to the +dmg bracket

[worthy tide]

so thats what happened the chaos spawn went for me and I got cornered

but thats prob just badluck imo its really up to where the team is positioned

[jaunty tinsel]

its about staying as far away from those asshole bosses as possible

they know ur trying to do the challenge and will do everything in their power to ruin it for you

[faint beacon]

You should probably avoid trying to do the most damage to them seeing the bosses agro on whoever did the most damage to them recently

Hence why CS tends to hop all over the place like a Methhead

[tall torrent]

learn how to fight chaos spawn in melee 1v1

[worthy tide]

welp just keep trying and trying

[faint beacon]

This also

Block is all I can say

Focus block and dodging back

If attempts to grab either dodge to the right or back

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1252140950101430312/chaos_spawn_35s.mov?ex=66b853a2&is=66b70222&hm=045b425d61020004ce02c58b8850d0b0503f215d1d1512db13e3e14b8b532120&

basically

block combo, dodge to right against grab & overhead

[jaunty tinsel]

this is bourgiousie advice, its malice so the team doesnt need you to kill a single chaos spawn

[lyric dock]

All while avoiding other melee units, dogs, trappers, and more!

[jaunty tinsel]

just dont fight it this one time

[terse idol]

????

[tall torrent]

yea in an actual game it dies pretty fast

[worthy tide]

damn

[jaunty tinsel]

hes doing a specific challenge run to not get hit in melee

[lyric dock]

Monsters can change aggro on a whim and target someone else

[terse idol]

Yah

[tall torrent]

that 35s video is more educational on what to do vs different atks

in an actual game u kill it faster with krak & stagger

[terse idol]

It's good practice if you ever need to kite a CS in a real game tbh

[jaunty tinsel]

all the more reason why you just stay as far away from it as possible

[lyric dock]

And it'll still hunt you down

[faint beacon]

I mean we commonly play Auric we’re suggesting you block and dodge if it decides to lunge at you cause the CS is arguably the most unpredictable boss

[terse idol]

Just pick a boss killing kit

[tall torrent]

2 veterans can blast a chaos spawn in <10s very easily

[jaunty tinsel]

rest of the team will pwn it

[terse idol]

It's predictable enough

[faint beacon]

Attack wise

I’m talking Agro

I’ve seen some real dumb shit

[tall torrent]

if anything plague ogryn is less predictable

[jaunty tinsel]

just as a reminder the conversation is not "how do i fight CS" its "im trying to do this achievement and i keep getting hit"

[faint beacon]

Ogryn beating the shit out of it and the Psyker literally coughs on it and it immediately lunged after the Psyker

[jaunty tinsel]

overwatch is a pain in the ass achieve

[tall torrent]

plague ogryn has a bunch of atks that drain stamina on block but if u don't block ur sent flying

[faint beacon]

That was the runner up

[worthy tide]

it is if it had a bit of leniency it would be much less of a pain

[faint beacon]

Honestly I’m the opposite

[tall torrent]

worst is BoN

[faint beacon]

I can fucking destroy Plogryn solo

CS

I can’t

I struggle with

[mighty anvil]

is that 720p

[tall torrent]

practice 1v2 chaos spawn

[tall torrent]

discord compression

[faint beacon]

Literally the only thing I can say with Plogryn is

Is it charging?

Block

[tall torrent]

worst enemy for on overwatch are dreg ragers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1273367551807590451/3_ragers_v2.mp4?ex=66be5b72&is=66bd09f2&hm=0bf184be77a421c333048749b0a72d038f252bc4beffa2426daddb263ff08145&

[faint beacon]

It’s better to be staggered for a second then get flung off the map

[mighty anvil]

80 FPS

do you have ray tracing

[tall torrent]

laptop moment

[jaunty tinsel]

worst enemy for overwatch is the one leftover zombie that hits you in the back

[worthy tide]

I find them easy to deal with thanks to my team.

its the doggos, trappers and the mutants I am waaay to wary off

[jaunty tinsel]

nothing will cause you to develop Paranoid Schizophrenia more

[faint beacon]

Have you learned their sound queues yet?

[tall torrent]

just watch ur toughness and block on sound cue

[faint beacon]

If not I can toss a vid

[mighty anvil]

I've been playing with 0% stam regen and I do fine

[jaunty tinsel]

we can't all afford to eat cake, french aristocrat

[worthy tide]

I do I can dodge them but they still make me nervous

[jaunty tinsel]

but actually the back hitters are why VoC is so good since its 360 degrees

[mental cloud]

And the constant paranoia you got hit when you didn’t….

[lyric dock]

No. It's the 2 bruisers that spawn behind you.

[worthy tide]

just one wrong position to get stuck on and they got you

[terse idol]

N OS TO BE FAIIIR

It's easier with a friend, easier with shout

There was a time when vets only had exe stance

[worthy tide]

that dmg chip you dont know where it came from

[jaunty tinsel]

also its getting any damage dealt to you at all, not just health damage

[mental cloud]

When I got mine somebody picked up and grim so I was sweating watch my health bar. Lol

[terse idol]

And had to do "on overwatch"

[terse idol]

It's damage to HP in melee

Not ALL damage

Or

Wait let me see it again

[worthy tide]

corruption fucks you

[jaunty tinsel]

any melee damage

[faint beacon]

Fight that nervousness you will very quickly realize the only thing you really need to worry about is the Trapper

Mutants: Dodge to the side and just listen, be on high alert the moment you hear one scream

Dogs: you can either dodge left or right or push them mid pounce. Pushing is riskier but more rewarding seeing you can kill them

[lyric dock]

HP damage

[worthy tide]

the grimiore...

[jaunty tinsel]

toughness damage from melee will ruin the run, HP damage is a different challenge

[terse idol]

Yeah it's melee damage

[lyric dock]

Hits at 100% Toughness and overtoughness is fair game

[terse idol]

Yeah

[worthy tide]

wait melee on toughness ruins the penance?!

[terse idol]

No

[jaunty tinsel]

i swear it will

[terse idol]

If a melee hit, chips into your HP it ruins it

[tall torrent]

no

it's health dmg only

[terse idol]

Toughness at 100% reduces the entire hit

[lyric dock]

If you have 100% toughness or over toughness. You can eat a Melee hit without any bleed through

[tall torrent]

toughness hit is fine

[lyric dock]

The moment you have 99% or less then you take Melee bleed through

[faint beacon]

Basically from what I can tell if you have full toughness you’re fine just don’t get hit again

[terse idol]

Like it's easier now

With VOC

[lyric dock]

VoC helps a ton for that Pen

[faint beacon]

It’s way easier

That or Infil

If you’re trying to avoid fighting

[jaunty tinsel]

ok at least we have that going for us lol

[lyric dock]

Because instant toughness Regen, over toughness and staggers enemies

I did overwatch pre-U13

Good practice on watching your back and paying attention to sound cues

[worthy tide]

whats the abreviation im dumb

[jaunty tinsel]

the stagger is the best part of that ability for that specific challenge

voice of command

pen = penance

[faint beacon]

Voice of Command

[worthy tide]

thank ye

[faint beacon]

It’s usually with the Golden Toughness node also

[worthy tide]

oh that one

[faint beacon]

Cause that’s just a no brainer

[jaunty tinsel]

be sure to combo it with iron will too

[worthy tide]

I def need to use it sparingly

[terse idol]

No but man come on

[jaunty tinsel]

esp if indeed you can take toughness damage

[terse idol]

It's not that hars

It's harsh

[faint beacon]

I’d say unless you’re very quick on your feet IW is literally mandatory as a QOL talent in every build

I know some can get away without it

But it’s just genuinely really fucking good

[jaunty tinsel]

yea but it synergizes with gold VoC so well too

[last parcel]

time drop iron will to pick up exploit weakness

[jaunty tinsel]

why yes, i do play executioner stance + weapon specialist, how could you tell?

[faint beacon]

Exe Stance with Team Outline and smokes, most fun I’ve had for a support build but my god the point tax

[jaunty tinsel]

i have never played a serious build with purple capstones

getting all the side goodies is just too attractive

[last parcel]

[tall torrent]

ur missing out on a lot

[terse idol]

Exe and weapon spec is craaaaazy

[last parcel]

it kinda slaps with agri brauto

[tribal pelican]

just got 500 in one match becuse of this

[jaunty tinsel]

the only one that really has competed is the team callout one

[faint beacon]

Always prepared on WS with like Zarona or ironhelm DB is fucking wacky

[tall torrent]

what is ur normal build

[serene bough]

happy to help

[terse idol]

I'm unhinged so I just go Exe and Focus target with DB

[faint beacon]

Thinking outside the box

[jaunty tinsel]

maximum toughness reduction + crit with shock trooper and recon lasgun, kraks too

[terse idol]

More like thinking the talent tax

[faint beacon]

That is extremely unhinged

[terse idol]

Whew

[jaunty tinsel]

it gets me through auric maelstroms

[tall torrent]

just send the tree

[faint beacon]

My fucking go too build is a Agri IX with WS and AE

Literally consistently second or top score

I’ve only gotten third when it’s like with path and Larry

[terse idol]

I just don't use the scoreboard

[faint beacon]

But it’s usually really damn close

[tall torrent]

but ur best performing is grenadier

[terse idol]

I just think if I don't die and don't take alot of damage I'm winning

[faint beacon]

I’ve mastered the HHA

[faint beacon]

🤫🤫🤫

[last parcel]

who would win, mastered hha build or lethal grenades

[faint beacon]

We don’t speak of the peak that is Lethal Proximity Bistol Grenadier

[faint beacon]

I’ll occasionally glimpse at it and see my team like rocking 200+ HP taken and then me with like, 17

Some really odd number

[jaunty tinsel]

i tinker with the side stuff but i have the main idea down

[tall torrent]

why do u need longshot

[jaunty tinsel]

to offset recon damage falloff

[lyric dock]

Highest total HP lost I seen on another player was 5k

[tall torrent]

it's not worth it

not taking confirmed kill is also kinda crazy

[faint beacon]

Not anymore at least few patches ago they nerfed it

[jaunty tinsel]

i actually just swapped from confirmed kill to charismatic, thats an experiment

[faint beacon]

5k

[tall torrent]

if u wanted to offset dmg falloff on recon ur better off using rending strikes which actually helps almost all the time

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[jaunty tinsel]

i might drop precision strikes to get both, i was investigating it earlier today

[lyric dock]

6 wound Ogryn player

All you need to know

[tall torrent]

deadshot for recon is also

[faint beacon]

Oh that explains everything

[jaunty tinsel]

deadshot for the +25% crit chance

[faint beacon]

Stealing this

[tall torrent]

u rly don't need that much, headhunter blessing is enough

[faint beacon]

Headhunter + DumDum

You will literally shred everything

[jaunty tinsel]

i wasnt lucky enough to get one with headhunter, though that is the companion blessing im fishing for with infernus

[faint beacon]

Path will call you insane

I will call you based

[faint beacon]

Cause I think the 7a is fucking hilarious with Headhunter + Infernus

[tall torrent]

headhunter is the most important blessing for recon tbh

[jaunty tinsel]

has it changed?

[faint beacon]

I mean not really? The best to run is Headhunter + DumDum but Headhunter + Infernus is also really good

[jaunty tinsel]

well when i first got this gun it was Infernus #1

[faint beacon]

More up to taste imo

[jaunty tinsel]

which is why i ask

[vale ledge]

What perks should I run with that if I were to steal it-

[faint beacon]

It’s DumDum #1 now

Infernus is right behind it

[tall torrent]

what I'd recommend
swap longshot for rending strikes
swap get back in the fight for catch a breath
drop deadshot
drop leave no one behind
swap charismatic for confirmed kill
swap infernus for headhunter
get focus target + redirect fire

[tall torrent]

it's alr

[jaunty tinsel]

posted my build up ahead, main idea is cranking up crit + shocktrooper so you fire for minutes on end

[tall torrent]

infernus only relevant on recon & psyker laspistol

[faint beacon]

Like if you had a perfect blessing roll Recon, Usually Flakiac

[jaunty tinsel]

ill play a couple rounds with headhunter instead of infernus and see how that goes

[faint beacon]

Flak + Maniac, seeing Headhunter is your source of crits

[jaunty tinsel]

id sooner drop precision strikes over deadshot, so with that extra point would you value rending strikes or focus target higher

i know rending is super nice

[tall torrent]

what melee are u running with this

[jaunty tinsel]

power sword

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ok drop deadshot

[jaunty tinsel]

im not dropping deadshot

[last parcel]

damn, i was hoping you were also a deadshot recon + lacerate knife vet

[jaunty tinsel]

+25% crit chance is too good

[jaunty tinsel]

power sword is just the perfect sidearm

[tall torrent]

on a recon, at the cost of stamina drain, nah

[tribal pelican]

its only +25% for like the first 2 sec of a encounter

after that your left out of stamina and only intermitently getting +25% crit while continuiously leaving you without stam

[jaunty tinsel]

it really makes a difference on ammo economy

its just a matter of knowing when you can afford to ADS and not

[tall torrent]

maybe shoot less and melee more

[faint beacon]

7a with Surv I think you can get away with not running deadshot

[tribal pelican]

shock trooper is also a bad point imo if your running out of ammo with a recon las your most definaly shooting things that should be meleed

[faint beacon]

It’s a bad habit talent but like I’m not gonna shun people for running it

[tribal pelican]

this shock trooper is a crutch that disincentives learningg ammo managment

[faint beacon]

Literally free ammo

[tall torrent]

shock trooper is fine tbh

on non-survivalist builds it's a pretty good ammo & firing uptime boost

[tribal pelican]

im talking from a pure optimization stand point btw the point of the GAME is to have fun so run whats fun

[tall torrent]

it's when u take survivalist + shock trooper than I start to think u shoot too much

because most guns don't need survivalist

[tribal pelican]

just if you ask for build help ill be frank sorry if its coming off as pretentious and asinine my englesh is bad so not good with phrasing

[tall torrent]

there's plenty of ammo on the map

[jaunty tinsel]

well i didnt ask for build help in the first place, im just sharing my playstyle

i dont actually run into trouble at all

except for getting the last tier of killing frenzy, ironically enough

[tribal pelican]

ah people wore giving opinions on your perk placement so I assumed that was asked for lol

[tall torrent]

nah I think giving ur lasgun "extended mags" is super nice

[jaunty tinsel]

no i said i dont play with purple capstones and thats what started it

[tall torrent]

helbore without shock trooper doesn't feel nearly as good

[faint beacon]

I will say this, the sooner a veteran realizes the class is a hybrid of Ranged and Melee the easier it is to manage your weapons

[tall torrent]

as an example

[wooden brook]

ideas?

[faint beacon]

Like Veteran comes off as shoot man gun guy, but you look at all the talents it’s heavily encouraging to swap between melee and gun frequently

[faint beacon]

I don’t recall the perks you should run

[tall torrent]

sprint efficiency to elite
then up to u

[jaunty tinsel]

there's three different general build paths, you really only have points to do two unless you like a little bit of everything

[faint beacon]

I’d assume Elite probably Maniac

[jaunty tinsel]

therse lots of points to pwn in melee but doing so will reduce your ability to tank or shoot

since i find all of the tanking perks are critical at the highest levels its really more about balancing what's left-over

[tall torrent]

elite+ flak

elite is more important

[wooden brook]

Blessings I mean

[tall torrent]

that's not really true for veteran

u can make a melee build that shoots well and has high defense

[faint beacon]

I’d say I find myself more swapping to a different or faster melee if my issue is slow swinging

[tall torrent]

veteran is not zealot

[faint beacon]

Example swapping PS or Rashad for Chainsword

[tall torrent]

zealot has to actually trade defense for dps

veteran doesn't

[jaunty tinsel]

sure you do, its very simple there in that a point you spend on toughness damage reduction is a point that could've been spent elsewhere

its not that you literally cant do damage you dont put points in, but you wont be doing as much as if you had put points into it

[terse idol]

I thought most of the toughness damage reduction nodes are in the path of like

Nodes vets typically already take, Weakpoint damage

Etc.

[tall torrent]

melee vet can grab almost all the defense nodes what are u talking abt

[jaunty tinsel]

they're scattered across, but you do need to invest a bit for iron will

[terse idol]

So really you're not sacrificing anything

Hmm

[jaunty tinsel]

yeah and so can ranged vet

but you wont have lots of points to put into melee or range after that fact

[tall torrent]

What exactly is “investment for iron will” when you grab it right after tac awareness

[jaunty tinsel]

thats what im saying

its a "pick two" class

[tall torrent]

This is untrue as well?

[tribal pelican]

this is wrong imo

[faint beacon]

Veteran is arguably the most flexible hybrid class in game

[tribal pelican]

its a false dichotomy you definatly do not need to pick between being good at melee or shooting

[tall torrent]

Not arguably

[faint beacon]

My bad

[terse idol]

Well I mean you already pick the weakpoint damage node

[faint beacon]

is

[terse idol]

Which just affects your melee

And ranged

[tribal pelican]

if you are investing so many points into shootyness that you do not have any left over for melee or tanking you are definatly going over kill there is a point in which lowering your ranged ttk is nolonger useful

[mighty anvil]

im sorry i just find it hilarious that you spelled dichotomy right but whiffed on definitely

[tribal pelican]

my englesh is bad idk what to say my dude