veteran-class

[austere mica]

Anything with uncanny cause its stupid

[severe gale]

or knife with a crit build

cuz its crits have an ADM higher than 1

[wraith perch]

Psyker dueling sword are great yeah

[severe gale]

ds4 is OP lmfao

[lusty sapphire]

Ehhh depends. Weapons with high finesse AND high pen yes

[austere mica]

I think knife still does more to cara head than flak body without rending for crits

[severe gale]

it sucks for horde but it turns metal meatballs into nothing

[wraith perch]

I find it OK for hordes, you just before Neo

[severe gale]

like what?

[severe gale]

wha

horde clear on it sucks

at most youll be killing one groaner

[wraith perch]

https://tenor.com/bhQBS.gif

[tall torrent]

It’s one of the lowest horde clear weapons in the game by a pretty large margin

It’s like twice as slow horde clear as knife lol

[wraith perch]

but is super fast

[severe gale]

yah killing one (even that isnt always happening) per swing is rough

[wraith perch]

is hard to explain, my experience, spam for a bit, dash, charge, it usually does the job, but you need to dance well with it, one or two mistakes and you are dead

[severe gale]

yeah a weapon that takes that much effort for a horde is terrible at horde clear

not to mention how long it takes to kill a horde

[wraith perch]

I understand, I think I just find it fun and challenging 😂

[severe gale]

fair

[tall torrent]

DS4 is the worst performing horde weapon I’ve checked so far

[wraith perch]

so my bad, I confused fun and challenging with "the right tool for the job"

[tall torrent]

Well, not including ogryn weapons

Ogryn has worse

[severe gale]

ogryn melee makes me sad

[wraith perch]

I'm one of the few maniacs that love to clear hordes with DS4 and tactical axes

maybe I'm just an adrenaline addict because it gets you up into a next level of reflexes 😂

what does that say? that I like Sekiro? 😉

[tall torrent]

U heard of black myth wukong?

[wraith perch]

yes, playing it on day 1

[tall torrent]

Same

[lusty sapphire]

Chainswords for example. Their flak dmg outweighs the weakspot dmg on carapace

Well not tigrus 15 that just has stupidly overtuned cara dmg

[wraith perch]

is not the best but so far is doing the job:

you know, RNG and getting the god rolls, etc

[lusty sapphire]

Highly recommend getting rampage + shred when you can

[wraith perch]

yeah, when not broke, unlocking blessings been hell, but I'm strulling more getting good modifier rating than blessing, going broke before I even get something useful

[lusty sapphire]

I take this as personal offence

[empty lily]

deathspitter vs fire frenzy for the columnus 5

thoughts

[lusty sapphire]

Deathspitter gives unrestrained dmg after kill

Ff only close range

Deathspitter and ff together tho, it's kinda funny

You shoot a mixed horde and suddenly a spike in your dps happens and stuff starts dying incredibly quickly

[empty lily]

agree but you miss dumdum which is sad

[lusty sapphire]

(Even tho dumdum is better)

[wraith perch]

Bought this beaty for future experiments, hopefully it won't brick:

[empty lily]

whats the meta setup for the new shotgun

[wraith perch]

both barrels and ... something else

[lusty sapphire]

Weapon specialist, manstopper/deathspitter

Both barrels/deathspitter

Both barrels/speedloading for funny super fast reload

Run n gun/deathspitter

There's a few options for it

[empty lily]

the call of duty strat

[austere mica]

No manstopper scattershot?

[wraith perch]

this is the one on my Zealot 😉

[lusty sapphire]

That too

But it's inferior to simply running weapon specialist

[austere mica]

Its for zealots I guess

[lusty sapphire]

Kind of a wasted blessing slot when we have a keystone for 100% crit

[wraith perch]

380 rating, that was good luck

[lusty sapphire]

This is very solid

[austere mica]

Just mentioning it exists when you can hit 90% with just that and Deadshot with no keystones

[lusty sapphire]

It's an option but ws gives more than using deadshot+scatter

1 single kill and you start meleeing crazy fast

[wraith perch]

I'm using this because is +3 stamina, of course the mutant will be refined when I get the resources 😂

should I go for another toughness instead or do you think stamina is useful?

[lusty sapphire]

It's very good

Stanina always helps especially on vet

If you are confident in your melee tho I'd go toughness/toughness/hp

[serene bough]

if youre using something like a mk4 knife where spamming push attacks is best for single target DPS, i do 2 stam curios

[terse idol]

It might have been okay before tox bombers but

I regularly lose enough HP now to just drop dead before I even go down once

[austere mica]

mk 4 isn't real

[wraith perch]

I have toughness/hp/stamina atm, I need to get used to melee with chainsword, swapped from double toughness because found myself lacking stamina so either I actually need it or skill issue

[austere mica]

Local individual cannot read roman numerals

[serene bough]

6

[serene bough]

my bad

[wraith perch]

XII

[serene bough]

ive been exposed as illijrit

[lusty sapphire]

Point and laugh everyone

[serene bough]

this is so embarrassing i dont think ill ever recover from this humiliaton, time to uninstall the video game

[umbral scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-minos-minos-prime-thy-end-is-now-punch-gif-16630674477332190433

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/yume-nikki-uboa-out-out-the-window-going-out-the-window-gif-10500941781401851284

[tall torrent]

The forbidden technique of using +2 stam perk on knife

[serene bough]

Actual madness

[tall torrent]

it works

[wheat tapir]

What’s the best melee for veteran ?

[tall torrent]

rashad mk2 combat axe / mk6 combat blade / mk6 power sword

[wheat tapir]

Combat blade!?

Intriguing I love the combat blade but I found it sucked because I used it on a psyker

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/984525651904176209/1243454115519004722/CB6_3402dps.mp4?ex=66ba57a3&is=66b90623&hm=2528e0971e779e4c35d5588eb536b1f1c84b0e935005d7224c084c331414f5dd&

[stoic basalt]

dont know how good it would actually be in game but I just had the thought of a new weapon set for the Vet and others maybe just being Dual Machine Pistols

absolute fuck all for accuracy but 1000 bullets down range will hopefully hit what you are aiming at

[lusty sapphire]

No mention of the shobel

[stoic basalt]

soldiers best friend

[tall torrent]

Wish it was better

[lusty sapphire]

It is, you're just not on my level

[stoic basalt]

its not great but I really love it too, just mowing down poxwalkers is so satisfying to see the shovel wide attack just raking up numbers

[tall torrent]

Shovel actually has okay horde clear with decimator

But it’s not in the top tier

[stoic basalt]

power sword really feels like the one you need to use

[lusty sapphire]

It is genuinely great tho

[stoic basalt]

yeah

[tall torrent]

Rashad is better than power sword overall

[lusty sapphire]

Just not the best

[stoic basalt]

wanna run a shovel now for fun

2 in one, kills the enemy and makes their grave at the same time

[lusty sapphire]

Average shovel/db ws run

You won't reach top tier melee dmg but you won't be lacking when facing elites either

Only issues being multiple crushers

[tall torrent]

Crusher’s not the problem

Problem’s monster damage

Carapace damage is actually ok cuz uncanny is broken

[stoic basalt]

really want them to add scoreboard into the game by default

[lusty sapphire]

I would rather they add power DI

Like a separate new "Battle Data Terminal"

[tall torrent]

Next year perhaps lol

[lusty sapphire]

I really struggle to understand why they won't incorporate more of the mods features in game

Numeric UI being the simplest one

And the most crucial

[hollow warren]

fellow karkers, what tips & suggestions can you provide in terms of this build? I'm trying to go for an allarounder with Rashad/Accatran Mk VId

[lusty sapphire]

Rending strikes is an overall +10% dmg on almost anything compared to +20% unyielding dmg

You might get more dmg out of focus target than weapon specialist too

Specialist is usually good but it truly shines if you can grab 1 or 2 more nodes from the keystone

[hollow warren]

Would just plain Focus Target with no extra nodes work?

[hearty panther]

im of the opinion that it's not worth it without redirect fire

[lusty sapphire]

Yes

[heavy rover]

I suggest also getting Onslaught

[pseudo fiber]

this perhaps

[heavy rover]

^yeah, I'd recommend the same

absolutely melts crushers and maulers

also easy to stack up brittleness against bosses

[lusty sapphire]

The rashad doesn't need those nodes as much as the 6d I kinda agree

[hollow warren]

so like this then?

[lusty sapphire]

It's more focused on the recon this way but rashad can carry itself

[hollow warren]

If only I had two more points to spare, really could use that 10% melee attack speed

Love the Rashad immensely

[marble mantle]

Imagine if Ogryn had born leader

Wild thought

[wheat tapir]

What is so good about the rashad axe?

[dreamy spade]

Attack pattern and brutal momentum

[austere mica]

Can easily kill 4 targets per swing

[lusty sapphire]

Everything

Dmg, cadence, attack pattern, various enemy dmg modifiers

Push attack and last but not least mobility is decent e enough

[tall torrent]

this is fine

[tall torrent]

it's top 2~3 in every category

but it's also the hardest weapon to craft in the game

[wheat tapir]

Oh damn

Why’s that?

[sharp cloak]

Ogryn is more melee than range unit?

Im going to use him as melee instead.

still leveling him up

[wheat tapir]

I’m pretty new so I could help you there , I’m pretty sure ogryn is a much better melee than ranged

The shovel specifically I think?

Pickaxe I mean

[sharp cloak]

😛

He needs a the round house arm move. Where he just spins around swinging his arms.

[unique helm]

I cant tell if this is good also im using some youtubers build and i have no idea what im doing i think im a generalist or buffing my party?

[sharp cloak]

One of his abilities. Call it the "Ogryn Edge"

[unique helm]

thoughts?

[sharp cloak]

Ogryn needs wrestling moves.

He should be able to throw the flak armoed types around.

Like throwing them into ropes or wall or something.

Is that too op for Ogryn to do that?

Clothes line mutants when they charge at you.

But you have to get it right before he hits you to do that clothes line move.

[sharp cloak]

Thinking of Thor from Gauntlet. He swings the axe. Ogryn needs that but have him just use his arms.

When Thor does his special move.

[wheat tapir]

Beautiful name btw , but I’m new

This doesn’t mean anything to me , what am I supposed to be looking at

[unique helm]

What do i need to do to be a support veteran?

[hollow warren]

So I guess mine is decent?

Penetration on the lower side, sure

But still

[wheat tapir]

I need me a good rashad axe it seems

The only good weapon I have is a good duelling sword on my psyker because he’s level 30 and has been for a whole

While*

[wheat tapir]

What makes it difficult to craft can you tell me?

[hollow warren]

It has 9 types of blessings per each tier so it takes a load of time, effort and resources to unlock them, I guess that's the difficulty

[wheat tapir]

Can you not just like scam brunt?

[hollow warren]

I lucked out and found both Bromentum 4 and Headtaker 4 at Melk today

[wheat tapir]

Uhhh

Explain those blessings

I know headtaker is very very good

Never heard of the other

[hollow warren]

Check the screenshot, the descriptions for the blessings are right there

Brutal Momentum - Bromentum

[wheat tapir]

Ahh it’s brutal momentum I see now , but why have you specced it to unarmoured can I ask?

Thanks

I’m still tryna find out a lot of things and veteran is my favourite class I think , just bc I feel I can manage it

[sharp cloak]

Whats that one boss that picks you up and throws you around? Ogryn should be able to do that to flak armored melee units.

[wheat tapir]

I played a lot of psyker and noticed a lot of micro intensity

[hollow warren]

Lots of enemies have unarmored heads (like the dreg gunner, dreg stalkers, scab bruisers)

[wheat tapir]

And for flak and carapace you just like

[tall torrent]

It’s decent, could be better

[wheat tapir]

Use something else

Or is the axe still the option

[sharp cloak]

voice lines? they mean they are adding more?

[tall torrent]

Rashad is not as good on psyker as on veteran & zealot

[sharp cloak]

Ogryn needs to see "ey chump"

[tall torrent]

Psyker rly only has 4 good melee weapons

[wheat tapir]

I never used rashad before

[tall torrent]

Scab Bruiser breakpoint

[hollow warren]

For most elites and specialists I use my gun, got horde trash I use the axe. Crushers get the krak nades

[wheat tapir]

On psyker I use duelling sword

[unique helm]

the Graia Mk VIII is pretty good

[wheat tapir]

Sounds like I want your build 😂

[sharp cloak]

Ogryn now has ability unlock to Brawler Mode for wrestle mania moves

Everyone like playing like this?

[wheat tapir]

😂

[tall torrent]

Rashad is good vs every enemy besides beast of nurgle

[unique helm]

Ive seen too many Ogryn look like space marines lol

[wheat tapir]

And why not beast of nurgle

[hollow warren]

BoN can suck a fat one. I hate the slug boss so much

[tall torrent]

Trying to melee kill it is painful

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257958123092578355/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.03_-_03.15.39.122.mp4?ex=66a93c0c&is=66a7ea8c&hm=16846e27c7a77b3b59df740617f3504f7fe1569a697b5e0ff6571c9ef0193bc6&

[wheat tapir]

True actually

[unique helm]

grandfather just wants you to have a friend

[wheat tapir]

So rashad is good just bc it can just kill everything equally fast

[tall torrent]

No, it’s just good vs everything

[wheat tapir]

That’s what I mean really

Lol

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t have particular weaknesses and is top 3 performer in every category

It doesn’t kill everything equally fast

[wheat tapir]

Oh ok

It’s just overall strong , got it

[tall torrent]

It’s 2nd fastest horde clear for both veteran & zealot

[wheat tapir]

What’s better?

[tall torrent]

And only by like 0.1~0.2s compared to the top performer

Top 3 anti-elite

Top 3 boss damage

And doesn’t have defense weaknesses

[tall torrent]

Antax axe with block cancel is apparently 0.1~0.2s faster horde clear than Rashad lol

[wheat tapir]

I don’t using block attacks tbh

Not that a cancel is the same

That’s why I gave up on the combat blade

[hollow warren]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cbe6f9e-3823-42ce-bf91-c5a46a21109e/rashad-accatran-vi

[wheat tapir]

Can I change mk 6 for mk2 ?

I prefer that one

[hollow warren]

Sure

[tall torrent]

Don’t run this

[hollow warren]

Y not?

[wheat tapir]

Why not

[tall torrent]

This build was better

[wheat tapir]

Why so

[tall torrent]

You’re dropping the important talents for axe just to make recon Lasgun kill crushers better

[wheat tapir]

What build would you advise then?

[hollow warren]

Why not have both builds?

[tall torrent]

The problem here is that Rashad is a very point hungry weapon and recon is also a very point hungry weapon

In this kind of situation it’s better to invest into melee

[wheat tapir]

I prefer melee anyway

[hollow warren]

So should I keep it as is, or change out Bring them Down for Rending Strikes and keep Onslaught?

[wheat tapir]

Can someone show me a good build please

One that is mutually agreed upon

I want a build that mostly revolves around melee

[tall torrent]

Just use the old build

[wheat tapir]

And specially a Rashad axe

[tall torrent]

Would also consider dropping 15% elite damage and 5% crit chance for 10% melee damage and agile engagement

But that’s up to u

[wheat tapir]

Do you think a plasma cannon is a point hungry weapon?

[tall torrent]

No but it requires very specific rolls & very specific talents

[wheat tapir]

Oh ok , and does it need your talent tree to revolve around it?

[tall torrent]

No

[wheat tapir]

I think I’m gonna use plasma cannon and Rashad axe with whatever build I’m shown lol

[inland orchid]

I assume u don’t got the time to dabble with making your own build?

[wheat tapir]

Well

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515648206512168/1258173151230038107/IMG_5320.png?ex=66ba7f0e&is=66b92d8e&hm=3809db08a68429d9099cda6edc8d7ba403efcd298c64fa477e88616ec8ab7278&

[inland orchid]

All good if not there’s plenty of lads like that

Not tryna diss

[wheat tapir]

It’s not perse time issue it’s just that I’m new and don’t know much of anything

Nah you’re all good bro

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t recommend plasma for beginners

It needs very specific damage & stopping power rolls

[wheat tapir]

I’ve used it a lot , I’m happy to take your advice tho

[tall torrent]

A plasma gun that’s missing breakpoints is just sad

[wheat tapir]

Again im not even maxed veteran yet , im level 21 rn

[tall torrent]

Then play Columnus mk5

[wheat tapir]

What are breakpoints? The point at which it unlocks something new?

[tall torrent]

That’s much much much more beginner friendly

[wheat tapir]

Yeah I’ve used ciag it’s great

[tall torrent]

Specific damage numbers where u kill enemies in fewer hits

[inland orchid]

Na just a fancy word used to say how well u killed something

[wheat tapir]

Oh ok

[tall torrent]

For plasma there’re specific 1 shot breakpoints

[wheat tapir]

Yeah I’ve seen it

[tall torrent]

Plasma really wants those 1 tap breakpoints

[wheat tapir]

The Rashad axe is much the same I assume

[tall torrent]

Rashad is extreme min-max

Don’t go for either Rashad or plasma at beginner

[wheat tapir]

Damn

[tall torrent]

Both these weapons are resource sink

[wheat tapir]

I really wanna learn those

Okay that’s fine just lmk build and weapons and it seems I already got given a build

Thank you

[wheat tapir]

What are most important ? As I’m not maxed so might aswell head straight for the best stuff

Can you like circle them

[tall torrent]

Most weapons don’t need u to take survivalist so wouldn’t recommend that build above (Rashad & plasma)

This is much more general purpose

Last 2 points depends on the weapons u use

[wheat tapir]

Ok should I use that then

I like the shredder grenade but

I do see the use in krak grenades

[tall torrent]

Shredder has higher potential but krak is better for solo

U can kill bosses much faster and delete bulwarks that cause ur team trouble

[wheat tapir]

Ok cool

I like shredder just for horde clear

What melee should I use do you think

[tall torrent]

For beginner, chainsword mk4 is alright

[wheat tapir]

I don’t like chainswords tbh

Do you know any with good cleave , just clean through enemies lol

[austere mica]

Chainswords do that best (fastest 100 poxwalker killtime) but Devils claws also preform handily

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s chainsword

[wheat tapir]

Oh ok

[tall torrent]

Everything else is harder to craft

[wheat tapir]

Not revved I can only assume lol

Ok

Well is it worth actually crafting rn ?

I’m only level 21

I was under the impression it’s not worth messing around with weaponry upgrading until you reach level 30 on your respective characters

[inland orchid]

That’s cuz gettin cool upgrades/rating for weapons is the best it can get rng wise at max trust level I.e 30

You can still try just won’t have the same luck as other brohams that got maxed out operators

[wheat tapir]

Yeah I knew so , and getting 80 all round the board isn’t really possible below 30 tbh

[unique helm]

Yeah I learned the hard way just wait till 30

[austere mica]

You also literally can't, highest you can get is 80/80/80/80/60

[idle pecan]

Shock maul + ciag/zarona is insane for dealing with bullwarjs

[wheat tapir]

Oh is it?

[idle pecan]

Shock maul can stun bullwarks thru their shields

[wheat tapir]

Damn so my duelling sword is as good as I thought it couldn’t be

[serene bough]

what does your knife look like

[wheat tapir]

Lemme see

[tall torrent]

Uncanny4 + executor4
Carapace 25% + 2 stam

[unique helm]

Chainsword is mainly single target right ?

[austere mica]

nope

fastest trash clear times in the game

[unique helm]

Weird the guide says it can do elites

Alright so if I want my melee to be my method of single target

[austere mica]

Oh it can

[unique helm]

What are my options?

[austere mica]

It just does trash even better

[austere mica]

Knives

[serene bough]

mfw i dont even know what executor does

[austere mica]

mk3 is full single target and mk6 does a bit less (not much less) for added versatility

[tall torrent]

No

[austere mica]

Finesse on weakspot chain

[serene bough]

ah i see

[austere mica]

Nevermind its power

I knew it was weakspot

[tall torrent]

+total power per weakspot hit
Drops all stacks on a hit that hits enemies but doesn’t connect with any weakspot

[austere mica]

but the bonus was power

[serene bough]

i use flesh tear

[austere mica]

With uncanny, right?

[serene bough]

ye

uncanny is arguably a must on knife

[austere mica]

zealot can skip it

[unique helm]

I guess I'll just a gun then for single target. I tried the bolter and man was I disappointed

[serene bough]

idk much about zealot

[uncut pebble]

Zealout can run piety with knife and go precog riposte for silly numbers instead of needing uncanny.

[serene bough]

makes sense

[uncut pebble]

Even better if you run that with scourge and a puncture bolt pistol.

You have +10% crit chance against bleeding targets on top of your other buffs.

[unique helm]

Should I be spamming my ability as much as possible

Since it buffs the party

[uncut pebble]

Depends on the ability.

And also the circumstances in which you find yourself.

[unique helm]

I mean yes but that's kind of obvious

[uncut pebble]

Popping exe stance when ragers are trying to turn you into loyalist soup is a bad idea.

But voc is excellent there.

[unique helm]

I have voice pf comamnd

And for the emperor

So every time I use it

We get buffed

[serene bough]

generally speaking i spam exec stance and VoC but i use infiltrate much more conditionally

[uncut pebble]

Voc is used for knocking down a bunch of elites or getting a save. Otherwise, I wouldn't be spamming it.

[serene bough]

ofc spam in the context of in heated combat situations, not just for clearing 2 trash mobs

[uncut pebble]

As a vet, you can kill like 8 ragers in a 12 rager patrol with one voc pop.

[unique helm]

Is executioner better or on par with voice of command

[uncut pebble]

Drop the travel talent on the right and get iron will.

[serene bough]

exec is pretty bad at the moment imo

[uncut pebble]

Executioners stance isn't bad.

[serene bough]

its not that it doesnt give power, its just a lot of the damage is not necessarily worth giving up the utility of VoC or infil

[uncut pebble]

It's just much more situational and you're comparing it to the cream of the crop that is voc.

[tall torrent]

Whenever they need it yes

[unique helm]

travel talent?

[unique helm]

which is?

[uncut pebble]

The normal passive one underneath infiltrate.

Iron will is significantly better than whatever that is.

[tall torrent]

Often

[uncut pebble]

I dont even know what that passive is, either, I just know iron will is silly levels of broken.

[unique helm]

I think I wanna take Bring it down and Comp edge

then get focus target

[uncut pebble]

You can eat a crusher overhead when you have above 75% toughness.

It's gonna bite into your hp, but you won't be instantly downed.

[serene bough]

if it had a utility aspect to it and didnt require so much talent tax i'd agree, but you can easily reach breakpoints on many guns without it

[unique helm]

that has happened to me in the past yes

lol

[serene bough]

VoC is busted but even next to infiltrate i find exec lacking

[uncut pebble]

Voc with overtoughness and iron will can actually stop you from taking hp damage on eating that crusher overhead, iirc.

Might need to have specific % boosts to toughness from curios to pull that off, though.

[shadow dagger]

whats the mod that keeps your crosshair on screen when you ads

[unique helm]

How do mods work? Are you even allowed to use them on the servers or is it for private play?

[uncut pebble]

Mods are client side things, and fatshark actually promotes most of them.

[tall torrent]

U are allowed to use anything that’s client side (everything on nexus mods are allowed)

[uncut pebble]

The only one I know that they really don't like is vacuum capsule.

And even then, that one is mostly safe as long as you don't spam it.

[unique helm]

Oh

Any recommendations or must haves?

[uncut pebble]

Numeric ui, weapon customization (put reflex sights on guns that don't have them), scoreboard if you want depression.

[umbral scaffold]

reflex sights? sorry

[uncut pebble]

Like laspistol and lasgun optics.

Weapon customization lets you put those on other weapons.

[umbral scaffold]

oh interesting im surprised thats allowed

man i wish u could just plug and play mods like in vt2 why no workshop 😭

[uncut pebble]

I cannot go back to zarona ironsights after putting a reflex on it.

[unique helm]

Whats numeric do?

[tall torrent]

Improves ur HUD

More numbers & info

[uncut pebble]

Very helpful. You can see the actual number of bullets your teammates have left.

As well as actual hp/toughness values.

[last parcel]

crosshair remap continued

[shadow dagger]

whats the difference between this one and the not continued one

or are they just sorta two separate mods that dont interact with each other at all

[last parcel]

it’s a replacement

not continued’s author doesn’t support it anymore

continued is getting new crosshair options and is updated for the changes from path of redemption

[crude fiber]

any amount of toughness will save you from any 1 hit of damage as long as you have full toughness and over toughness. crusher and mauler overheads, snipers, bursters. 100 + 50 overtoughness is the same ass 270 + 50 overtoughness in that aspect

[last parcel]

all you quickplay bozos better watch out

[hallow parcel]

I think I can live with 70 stopping power

[serene bough]

the ogryns are unhinged tonight it seems

[potent iris]

the most zealot of ogryns right there

[unique helm]

I think this is good?

[fiery wave]

Based name

[sleek garden]

I'm trying to use the power sword and im struggling after using the catachan for so long

[scarlet path]

Draco in 40k

[thorn lark]

the blessings yeah, the rest is bad

[last parcel]

finesse dump

[earnest bone]

together with damage and critical

[brittle lava]

I like going heavy into melee to support the power sword (trench fighter, desperado, weapon specialist), otherwise it def feels a bit lethargic compared to other melee haha. Still great, but a bit frustrating

Also, carapace/unyielding, brutal momentum/power cycler, prob mk VI over the III, etc

[copper verge]

do you guys have any recommendations for a knife build vet

[austere mica]

I’d recommend running it with either the Lawbringer shotgun or the double barrel

Both preform well against horde when built properly

[copper verge]

is plasma worth building over bolter?

[astral ingot]

Plasma is one of the most braindead overtuned guns in the game right now

[rigid pilot]

Is it ever

[copper verge]

the thing is I never use it with charge i always single shot lol

and my bolter build is like 7 dmg difference

[rigid pilot]

(almost) Never charge it

[austere mica]

That is the correct way to run it

[copper verge]

nvm its a 53 dmg difference im blind lmao

[astral ingot]

You spam uncharged shots unless you want to vibe check a crusher for whatever reason

[austere mica]

Charging is 3x ammo for 2.6X damage

[rigid pilot]

Faster swap, doesn't need to reload during encounters, pierces everything with 100 cleave

There's no contest

[copper verge]

i cant send my screenshot but yea idk if its worth because bolter doesnt overheat

I guess

yea

[rigid pilot]

Also goes through cover

Perfectly accurate

[copper verge]

isnt bolter also hitscan

[astral ingot]

You can't overheat with uncharged shots

[mighty anvil]

whats a good build for bolter

[lusty shuttle]

what ya'll think about a shred/rampage chainsword xllg with 5% critchange and 10% crit damage perks? for a weapon specialist vet with a plasma gun?

[radiant chasm]

Yea but it sways and bucks

[copper verge]

I use 10% ranged crit, 10% reload speed, surgical

[radiant chasm]

No crit dmg

[copper verge]

it does but i've gotten used to it now tbh

but i'll try plasma again

[radiant chasm]

Better to just use animation cancels then waste a perk in reload speed

[last parcel]

take uncanny strikes blessing for massive anti armor
for second blessing, take executor/riposte/flesh tearer/precog/mercy killer (mercy killer needs serrated blade talent)
use mk vi and learn to loop the heavy sweeps for not garbage horde clear and to abuse push attacks for single target

stamina regen nodes in the talent tree help

[lusty shuttle]

i was gonna swap that out for +5% crit chance and keep the 20% maniac perk, cause i need to swap out devastating strike for rampage and keep shred

[radiant chasm]

Like especially no crit chance on the chsword (even tho crit is nice on it)

[uncut pebble]

Crit damage is bad due to how the math works. Using nice round numbers to explain, if your attack did 100 damage, and your crit did 50 on top of that, crit damage will only add 5 damage.

[copper verge]

i should probably reroll a knife lmao I just have mercy killer and ruthless backstab

[uncut pebble]

Also, yeah, don't take crit chance on non crit melee weapons.

[lusty shuttle]

ty

[lusty shuttle]

?

[copper verge]

its a score of 501 tho its rly nice

[radiant chasm]

And crit damage perk calculates terribly go 10% elites or 25% to an important armor to hit important BPs

Chsword is kinda crit weapon but more so on zealot

[last parcel]

replace ruthless with uncanny and you're mostly there
unless it has low first target and/or finesse, then go find another one

[uncut pebble]

Chainswords are not crit weapons. The only crit weapon I'm pretty sure vet has access to is combat blades.

[lusty shuttle]

yeah but thats more single target than wave clear

[radiant chasm]

It does have the quirk where the crit damage does not fall off as it cleaves

[lusty shuttle]

the purpose of the chainsword for me is wave clear

[copper verge]

they're both locked perks 😭

[radiant chasm]

Chsword is all wave clear

[last parcel]

[radiant chasm]

If you want proper shredding you go chaxe

Chsword has some of the best clear in the game

[uncut pebble]

For a mk13 chainsword you want wrath and shred, right?

[radiant chasm]

Mk13 you want wrath yes

It’s a must or bruisers will stomp you

[uncut pebble]

So yeah, sorry, your chainsword is bricked.

[radiant chasm]

Can go wrath rampage or wrath shred

But crit strictly is not worth going for on perks

The other options are just always better

[lusty shuttle]

so rampage/shred wouldnt work?

[uncut pebble]

Rampage and shred is fine for now.

[radiant chasm]

Not on 13

Can’t proc rampage if you are swinging into flak

[lusty shuttle]

It already has devastating strike on it for cleave

[uncut pebble]

You'd be benefiting far more by having wrath instead of rampage because the mk13 model is light spam.

[radiant chasm]

Without some pre existing cleave

[lusty shuttle]

I could just leave that and shred

[radiant chasm]

Nah

Dstrike sucks

[last parcel]

when you're looking for another, look for highest first target/finesse, reasonably high damage, penetration reasonably high (>60), and mobility that isn't garbage (>20)

[uncut pebble]

If youre going to change the blessing anyway, then change it to wrath.

Then you can dump crit damage.

[radiant chasm]

Item score doesn’t matter like it does in vt2

[lusty shuttle]

flak or carapace? the sword already does really well against flak apparently

[uncut pebble]

Crit chance isn't the best to have left on your weapon, but it isn't the worst.

[uncut pebble]

Maniac.

[lusty shuttle]

it has maniac already

[uncut pebble]

?

[uncut pebble]

So what's the un edited roll.

[radiant chasm]

There is no “equipment power” dictating your stats, what matters is the contents in your weapon

[uncut pebble]

Oh OK, drop crit damage for flak, drop devastating strike for wrath.

Then you'll have an excellent chainsword.

[radiant chasm]

My best recon vid is at the bottom of my list cause it dumped both collat and mobility

[last parcel]

i have a dream where one day we judge weapons not by the item rating, but by the contents of its stat distribution

[lusty shuttle]

savage sweep?

i dont have wrath apaprently

[earnest bone]

no

[radiant chasm]

Sweep is for mk4

[lusty shuttle]

have yet to get the blessing on this lol

[uncut pebble]

Just keep it how it is until you pull wrath, then.

[lusty shuttle]

gotcha

[uncut pebble]

Change crit damage, ofc, but otherwise, wait for wrath.

[lusty shuttle]

ill just rll some swords

[radiant chasm]

Mk13 cannot hit 3 flak/denser enemies without some cleave unless you do a weird PA combo

[last parcel]

sweep is usable with push attack --> (light --> heavy) but i'm not doing that shit

light spam for life

[lusty shuttle]

i just hurt my feelings

i tried 3 swords

all three of them got shred, and 2 got bleedletter. the other rev it up

[faint beacon]

Mk13g you tend to run Wrath with

[dim niche]

is it normal for the game to start lagging once youre mid animation? ive noticed some melee attacks get super laggy in hordes. any tips on how to fix this?

[rigid pilot]

Someone mentioned mouse DPI and poll rates causing issues, more details in forum post should be first search result

[brittle lava]

Late response but here you go: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9cbeed4e-3a7d-4b2c-b4b9-044cf3d900cc/knife-vet-6

I prefer the mk VI to the III for the more self-sufficient horde clear, but you can go either way. With this you're def able to meleeevery unit very well, thanks to uncanny strike and Mercy Killer proccing off your Serrated Blade talent. Will essentially play like a somewhat riskier version of the equivalent Zealot build, with less crit focus.

Will probably be better with a plasma gun over a columnus but I've not built a proper one yet

[dim niche]

oh okay ill look that up

[copper verge]

thats awesome ty

what about the hellbore

is it worth running

[rigid pilot]

Depends on what you mean by worth running

[copper verge]

is it fun lmao

[rigid pilot]

That's entirely subjective

And I hate it

[tall torrent]

If u enjoy sniper headshots without scope, yes

[rigid pilot]

I rather use the bolter, and that's saying alot

[brittle lava]

Imo it's not gonna be optimal, but you can def make it work! The Mkl I and II are prob what you'll be looking for. I think most people go with Surgical for breakpoints. Perkwise flak/unarmoured/unyielding depending on which Mk you're using (ideally you wanna be able to onetap the beefier gunners so the gun doesn't feel bad lol)

As for if it's fun, I'm not a huge fan due to the aforementioned issues with aiming the things. Def feels like it'd benefit from a scope if only for weapon feel benefits

On the bright side though, knife is def a good weapon to pair it with. It'll let you just close the distance to melee enemies a lot easier versus having to deal with the slowness of pulling out a helbore and charging it

[thorn lark]

what did you try?

[last parcel]

does fun include being an annoying bitch who doesn't take care of gunners in a timely manner
if it doesn't, use the shooty part a bit more

[rigid pilot]

Is that current patch

[copper verge]

lmao

[last parcel]

yeah like a week ago

[placid portal]

I was thinking of what sights to use for lucius but damn the autogun sights seems like a good option

[last parcel]

they have no right to look that good

[tall torrent]

Mk1/2 bayonet stab is actually pretty high damage

[placid portal]

Kantrael and Accratan sights was ok but kinda off for my experience and the zoom scopes are too much

[tall torrent]

Could 3 hit kill ragers while staggering them

Shame the cleave distribution is horrendous and the cleave itself is not great

[placid portal]

They all have same damage, mk3 just has that dumb delay and input clogging

[last parcel]

haha wouldn't it be funny if it had a blessing that made the bayonet cleave better hahaha

haahahaha

aa

a...

[placid portal]

[last parcel]

[placid portal]

No new blessing for bayonet playstyle

[tall torrent]

They’re not the same damage

[tame lodge]

The IAGs have ugly af sights

[tall torrent]

Mk3 bayonet has a very different atk profile

[tame lodge]

Why are they so high

[tall torrent]

Nah the IAG sights are fine

They remind me of mp7 in cod

Perfectly serviceable

[last parcel]

higher sight means shoot harder

[tame lodge]

Yeah I can see the logic behind that

[pine snow]

why is the accatran so damn fun to use

never thought id find something i like more than the plasma gun

[austere mica]

That’s because plasma is sleepy

And having a laser hose is great

[somber axle]

They've always been very fun weapons but now they're strong enough to be ok without requiring a bizarre min max build!

Plasma would be more fun if the entire meta around using it wasn't revolving around spamming uncharged shots for no drawback whatsoever

Charged shots are satisfying! But not worth using ever really LOL

[austere mica]

Plasma just kills everything with zero resistance or strategy

[somber axle]

It has exactly one use case where it can one shot a Bulwark through the shield with a certain talent set up and even then you could just bait the swing and spam uncharged shots into a Bulwark face instead

[austere mica]

Sniper 60m away through a horde while you’re being shot at by like 4 gunners? Point and click

[somber axle]

Shooting through terrain is fun but the gun becomes weirdly repetitive fast

[austere mica]

Yeah

I lasted 2 games with it today doing some penance grind

Went back to my beloved Agri revolver weapon spec build

[somber axle]

I want to make a Gets Hot Volatile Unyielding Plasma with an Exe Stance set up and juice it into funny charged shot boss killing

[manic cloak]

I wish they'd pair the cleave with the percentage of charge rate. Would make the gun far more fun to play and add a bit of skill.

[somber axle]

I unironically miss uncharged shots exploding your face off at 100% heat

The risk reward thing made it funny and worst case scenario the Vet who clicks too much gets to brain pop next to the Psyker and pretend to be a poxburster for a few seconds

Now it has zero risk other than a love tap to toughness so thematically it doesn't play like a risky weapon that could kill you at all

The explosion still exists on charged shots at 100% heat but no one uses them so it never happens

[sharp cloak]

...

So are the "rejects" in their own thing? No help from the regular Imperial Army?

That sucks.

We are a Penal Unit on the Mourningstar?

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah. We recieve support from the general guard (mainly some of the mobien 21st) but its just us on our own really

[dreamy spade]

Does block efficiency reduce push cost?

[sharp cloak]

Reject Company Im in we should just go still the Chaos Marines loot (gold).

Ditch the Mourningstar and do our own thing.

Take one of the transports and lets leave.

[somber axle]

The Moebian 21st are here too but they're used to aquatic environments and entirely out of their element. The Moebian 6th are kinda trashing them and at best from all things we've seen and heard thus far they're maybe able to hold some ground while the Rejects make strikes, kill important targets, collect resources and take ground

The only other group we might be getting support from are the Inquisition Guardsmen who hint at wanting to team up but never explicitly get involved with us or the cinematic reject squads in any way we can see

Though also! Spoilers for the story at level 30 I guess but

|| We're not rejects anymore. We're not considered to just be penal legion. We properly become members of the Inquisition, even if Morrow still "lovingly" calls us Rejects ||

[somber axle]

My guess is that the Moebian 21st perform well vs the dregs and poxwalkers until the trickier things get in the mix (Burgles, Plague Ogryns, Chaos Spawn) or the 6th arrive and aggressively tip the balance heavily in the favour of Nurgle

The 6th are the elite of the Moebian domain so they're going to win battles vs the 21st pretty handily given they have the environment advantage and the benefit of having the cultists and monsters on their side

The fun little echoes from the martyr's skulls detail the 6th going through hell before turning traitor, killing the loyalists within their own ranks and even make a commissar disappear

[arctic glen]

I agree.
But it's also a bad "oh crap"-weapon.

The helbore shares the same attribute.

Very powerful shots but not available when you really need it.

Both are very fun weapons though.

[pine snow]

after switching to accatran the one thing about plasma i miss is being able to shoot at bulwarks without a care

i'll shred through crowds and the second i see a bulwark its just aw dammit

[arctic glen]

I carry kraks for them...

[tame lodge]

You can open a Bulwark with the 6d at the cost of 89 ammo iirc

[pine snow]

im using shredder frags rn for emergency situations

[tame lodge]

[pine snow]

honestly my strat at this point is run at it with a power sword

and just pray i can get behind it

[arctic glen]

Power sword is also very nice.
Good alternative when out of kraks.

I run a mkII recon las atm.
Together with a power sword and kraks.

But I only play tier three and four so it doesn't really matter that much.

[pine snow]

rn i got mk 6d recon with a power sword and frags, using infiltrate

wanted to try something thats not voc for once

[arctic glen]

I think, I'll switch to the mkVIIa...
But I'm waiting for a decent drop

[pine snow]

i got a decent mk6d with the blessings and one of the perks i need but hadron will not give me dumdum

atp i dont even care if its lv3

[arctic glen]

Yeah... I stopped caring for fotm-builds a long time ago.

When I see that I'm no longer useful for the team, I play on lower difficulty...

[pine snow]

i like how lower diff is more chill but like man

sometimes i cant tell if ppl are new or just dumb

[lusty sapphire]

@tall torrent that grenadier build is so fun

And lethal proximity/run n gun boltpistol is very cool

[radiant linden]

Which mk?

[dense tartan]

I was about to say, I've been running bolt pistol proximity. Explosion blast staggers most enemies. With weapon specialist you get the one blot round back you need to knock back.

It's a very fun cqc build.

I was running it on Damnation Malestorm scab only faction. It's great and if I was a better player and took more risk it would pay off.

[dense tartan]

How does run n gun fit with the bolt pistol?

[hard cave]

moebians mentioned

[fossil basalt]

Since it boosts close damage, lets you move and shoot, and close range kills cause explosion, pretty well!

Very in-your-face stagger

[dense tartan]

I'll need to try it for myself. I can see it being useful to get close to interrupt heavy attack animation on maulers and crushers

Is it worth taking the dodge fire gain stamina perk with run n gun? 30% back if memory serves.

[hard cave]

WE LOVE THE 21ST

[dense tartan]

If the shoulder pads were flush to the breast plate I'd wear it a lot more often. I'll take clipping for a better silhouette.

[hard cave]

I just want a version of the fit with elbow pads

[fossil basalt]

It can be taken, I haven't really seen if it's needed or not but I luv me some free stam

[tame lodge]

Not the hoodie and gas mask

[hard cave]

need to change it up

with every moebian zealot wearing the gas mask hood

[tame lodge]

If you want to

[hallow parcel]

Combine it with deadshot and any blessing that gives you ranged immunity

Stand in front of a gunner and take off heads

Basically infinite stamina for dead shot lol

[midnight totem]

@somber axle

News for the sneaky

https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-40k/teases-elysian-drop-troops

[arctic glen]

I get that in every game on every difficulty level ...

[slow spade]

Watch the recons get nerfed in celebration of the Elysions UwU

[frank ether]

speaking of recons how are people enjoying them now that its been a while

[slow spade]

Considering the previous state of recons, far better than before

They are now "Tolerable" status c:

[tame lodge]

They rose up on popularity and because of their nature they suppress a lot

So I know my teammates got me

When rushing gunners and all of that

[slow spade]

Ironic considering you want minimal suppression on recon

Can't get headshots as easily when they're cowering

[frank ether]

Personally still find them a bit too hungry on ammo but at least they're quite fun to shoot right now

Recon 6 needs some real trigger discipline

[slow spade]

I agree, similar vibe I got

I only have a good Recon 2 sadly :c

Hadron please

[frank ether]

I think that to a degree vet gets it easier due to shock trooper

[hard cave]

Its hard staying on target with recon 6

[frank ether]

but I also used Vld on my psyker

and on psyker it was really rough

I picked up a ton of ammo

[slow spade]

Oof yeah psyker is rough without survivalist (it still helps :p) and Shocktrooper

I get the damage is better but I personally prefer ammo

[frank ether]

I think we already discussed survivalist to death at this point anyways

[slow spade]

Indeed

[frank ether]

I want more ammo for everyone without needing surv at all

but ignoring the ammo woes

recon psyker was real fun

I just feel a bit sad knowing I won't really play it much lol

[slow spade]

I remember pre-patch 13 when people thought the aura buffs were going to "add on" to the default auras or they'd be shit

[frank ether]

lol

people had wild opinions back at P13-14

[slow spade]

Purg psyker still my favorite because fire fun

[frank ether]

expectedly so cause so many ppl just picked up the game

but still wild opinions

[slow spade]

God that was a fun time

[frank ether]

Its still fun but I get what you mean

[slow spade]

Power sword was super nerfed back then too

[frank ether]

and now its super buffed .d

[slow spade]

So all the Vets also had to scramble for a new melee option (until p14)

[hard cave]

buff devil claw swords,,,

[slow spade]

Just to add onto the confusion :p

[slow spade]

Ironically, the vets concluded that the Devil Claw was the overall pick back in P13

[hard cave]

its,, so mid tho

[slow spade]

It used to be better when it 1-hit killed ragers

"Lol lets buff elite spawns twice and add more rager hp"

[hard cave]

can't ps6 1hit ragers now?

[slow spade]

Yes, but more importantly the light attack can stagger ragers out of their combo

[hard cave]

oh cool

ok wth am I doing wrong then since this can't kill shit

[slow spade]

Indeed, part of what makes Psword so op is that it has obscene stagger

[slow spade]

Are you using push attacks?

[hard cave]

no,,,

I only use it against bulwark and crushers

[midnight totem]

No manic, you won't be able to oneshot ragers

[slow spade]

Do the push attack vs them

Its a 2-3 hit kill combo

[hard cave]

itemization rework, save my power sword

[slow spade]

Its still 2-3 hit kill on ragers iirc

[midnight totem]

Your power sword is fine

It's good against crushers and maulers

[slow spade]

Your power sword is better than most of the community's pswords

[midnight totem]

And hilariously

Dredge gunners

[slow spade]

Thank you Fatshark 🙏

[midnight totem]

With the unarmored on it, you can one-shot them

[slow spade]

Psword is thankfully not too investment heavy if you got the blessings down

So you can adjust your talent tree if needed

[midnight totem]

Power sword goes well with elite superiority

[hard cave]

it feels like ass whenever I use it on maelstrom dam

[midnight totem]

I don't use it on mine. But I go bring it down instead because mime is built differently

[slow spade]

Psword is very weak defensively

Maelstrom is unending pressure

It will work but it will suffer

[midnight totem]

It shouldn't

Well, let's put it this way

What are you having issues against in maelstrom damnation

[slow spade]

Dying 😎

[midnight totem]

XD

[hard cave]

yeah

running recon 6 vet and I feel squishy

even with 200 toughness

[slow spade]

Psword and recon don't really mix well imo

[hard cave]

:(

[forest breach]

🦟

[midnight totem]

Recon requires a bit of investment that doesn't complement power sword too well

[slow spade]

The problem of both weapons being notoriously weak to pressure

[hard cave]

oh

damnit

[slow spade]

It tries :c

[slow spade]

It clearly still works seeing all the people with the ASS title rocking the same combo

But its not the "best" choice

[hard cave]

whats a good alternative then?

[midnight totem]

They're more relying on the merits of the weapon than their skill

[slow spade]

Well ideally you get the fucking Rashad II combat axe

But that's a hell I wouldn't wish upon you

[midnight totem]

I've ran through auric maelstrom melee only with power sword and no ammo regen

[hard cave]

I do have this plasma gun

[slow spade]

I would personally suggest Shovel as it has good defenses with acceptable damage

And you use kraks to handke bulwarks and crushers

If you're out of kraks, the shovel has even more dodges than the knife

[hard cave]

really?

[slow spade]

So you can run/kite away from them

[slow spade]

Yeah 6 dodges on shovel vs 5 on knife

Less dodge distance though

But not a big issue

[midnight totem]

Shovel has better stagger versus crowds too

[frank ether]

eh, doesnt really elevate shovel as much as keep it above a bare minimum weapon

[midnight totem]

Also push attack

[slow spade]

Indeed, but more dodges never hurts

[frank ether]

knife mobility is a lot more than the dodges

dodges are just there to let me proc blessings and play around with ragers lol

[slow spade]

Reciprocity fix one day...

[frank ether]

Idk about the new shovels I suppose they get to nuke stuff

old shovel its more of a mid tier weapon

Now if you want to make shovel S tier

you add it the TF2 frying pan bonk sound

[midnight totem]

Look if I had scout's fish

[frank ether]

dfskghd

[midnight totem]

Nurgle will never show up in Atoma ever again

Get laughed out of the pantheon after his forces get clobbered by a madman with a fishhead

[ancient raptor]

is this a good roll ?

[midnight totem]

Pretty good

[hard cave]

id but that immediately

[slow spade]

Probably the best you're going to get until the rework

[supple stag]

Is there something I can change, improve?

[radiant chasm]

slaught to t4 once you unlock it, then look for a replacement with higher pen and shredder

[supple stag]

Aye, got it

I also have this one, but I don't know

[radiant chasm]

i'd swap slaught 3 for thrust 4 if it's an mk12 (pretty sure it is)

[supple stag]

It's mk12, sadly I only have thrust 3

[radiant chasm]

you'll get them soon enough templar

[supple stag]

I am giga unlucky when it comes to blessings for chainaxes

[unique helm]

Wym?

[scarlet path]

Going to replace supercharge 3 with Power Cycler 3 (cause i dont have 4 yet) what perk should i replace

[last parcel]

blessings are more important
you also replace rampage with any tier of brutal momentum (though there’s an argument for sunder)

[supple stag]

Yeah, replace rampage also

Stamina is somewhat okay for psword as it has little

[last parcel]

or go rampage + slaughterer for unpowered sword gameplay

[scarlet path]

Barely have any blessings atm so i was going to keep rampage and switch super for PS

Basically NONE for power sword

[last parcel]

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[scarlet path]

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So i put power cycler on there, what perk should i replace the 8 melee for groaners and poxwalkers

I was thinking flak but i dont know

[supple stag]

Elite or Flak imo

[tame lodge]

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[scarlet path]

The two i was deciding between lol

[last parcel]

no, what does it mean

[tame lodge]

It means to go rampage slaughterer on a power sword

[last parcel]

what if i use supercharge sunder

that’s gotta be SS tier

[scarlet path]

Back before the Power sword nerf i had one with both of those on it and it was a king

Then only one charge per swing happened

[tame lodge]

No wrath, instant garbage

[hallow parcel]

Still honestly the single most deserved nerf in the games history

I distinctly remember PS Vets cleaving through multiple crushers and anything else along the way

Those old power swords are the real reason why the sicatrix maledictum happened. They clove through reality itself

[scarlet path]

Thats why i miss it 😭

Tbh tho the ACTUAL most deserved nerf in video game history has to be the akimbo winchesters in Black Ops

Wait that was Modern Warfare 2 my bad

[last parcel]

akimbo model 1887 vs noobtube one man army vs commando pro knife addict

the slur generator 3000

[scarlet path]

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Ahh how i miss those grainy mics

[somber axle]

NICE

[umbral scaffold]

IMAGINE

If we had a lever-action here

Or at the very least a pump-action

[somber axle]

I love them too LOL

Plus it's fun that they're fighting so hard in an environment that broke the 6th and still remaining loyal. Despite horrible disease, monsters, traitors, etc. they are still here bleeding for Atoma's people, not for Nurgle

The 6th might be better fighters but the 21st hold the line where the 6th broke

[hard cave]

If they can't defend their sectors home planet, are they even a regiment

[last parcel]

yewww, wouldn’t lahst a DAY in the sixth,!!

[somber axle]

The odds are pretty heavily stacked against them here but then that's just a Tuesday for the Guard

[hard cave]

I still find it funny the 6th are the best military in the moebian domain, and the 21st is like a younger brother getting their ass kicked

please fatshark, let us rescue the 21st

[somber axle]

We kinda are just by existing as the fist of the Inquisition

[last parcel]

just do more missions

[hard cave]

no one larps as the moebians like i do :(

[somber axle]

Wolfer can't get total victory because when he looks away a small squad sneaks in, kills his most valuable lieutenants, steals ammunition from him, restores the lost art of making moebian steel, kills thousands of his men along the way, and wipes out every poxwalker between the drop site and pick up site. All within like 30-40 min

Everytime he thinks the garden is going to get going the rejects poison it and kill all the men he sends to try to stop it

The 21st are doing their best and holding the ground the rejects take

[hard cave]

the snorebian 21st

[lusty shuttle]

lore wise, the fact that our squads are able to constantly do these gauntlet runs and take out lieutenants, you'd think Chaos would have better defense, swagger is just out there walking around like nothing

[hard cave]

their better defenses are maelstrom auri dam

the amount of squad wipes,,,,

[fleet thicket]

how important is stability on this hsit?

[lusty shuttle]

I mean yeah, but think about the numbers they send, to get rid of 4 nobodies

[somber axle]

My guess is that the odd wastelander is generally ignored by the 6th. Swagger can sneak around because a single homeless man isn't am obvious threat to the 6th and he can sorta sneak by poxwalkers pretty easy. The trailer showed that the Recon team got pretty close and even shined flashlights into their faces without being detected LMFAO

[lusty shuttle]

are you playing vet?

[somber axle]

Someone smart could probably evade both the 6th and the poxwalkers to get where they want to go

[lusty shuttle]

cause just use executioner to remedy that

[somber axle]

Plus there are also those single person spies sneaking in and gathering intel to feed to the inquisition

One of those dudes was able to get close enough to SEE Wolfer

[lusty shuttle]

I mean he has been killing people for info and using comms with the rejects and mourning star, so I dont get how he wouldnt be manhunted

[hard cave]

probably cause its a hive and hives are practically mazes

The logistics moving troops around in a hive is a nightmare

[somber axle]

Probably just lack of awareness by the 6th. The Inquisition doesn't know who he is. Wolfer has even less likelihood of realizing what a single guy's deal is vs watching the Inquisition, the rejects and the 21st

Rannick has some neat dialogue implying he's sorta narrowing the list of possible people that would know Grendyl on such a personal level though

[lusty shuttle]

its always the logistics

[hard cave]

hell, the 21st are practically in scrambles too

[somber axle]

The Rejects have a lot on their plate. But Rannick and Wolfer have a lot on their tables. Would you notice what a single fork is doing at a buffet?

[scarlet path]

Wyrmwood agents

[somber axle]

Yeah! Those ones

I forgor their name

They're insanely good at what they do and if nothing else they highlight that the Inquisition clearly has the better infiltration/intelligence teams keeping tabs on the battlefield

[lusty shuttle]

you would if its causing the downfall of your forces in a war of attrition

[somber axle]

Except the Rejects are the ones doing that, not Swagger

[scarlet path]

Yeah but i doubt he can as easily with the Karnak twins dead

[somber axle]

And Wolfer is becoming very personally invested in trying to kill us in particular

[lusty shuttle]

he's the intel though

[scarlet path]

Hes got a lot more to do now that his two hands are dead

[somber axle]

Compared to what we have done, Swagger is a nobody

[lusty sapphire]

Swagger is pushing the rejects forward whenever he foes something

Gloriana is the perfect example of how he operates

[somber axle]

Swagger is playing his cards closer to the chest and not revealing himself

[terse idol]

Well swagger is someone who's pretty old and knows the hive

[somber axle]

We're loud and violent shooting up an entire street

[lusty sapphire]

You kill hordes of stuff and then you just find swagger waiting at the horizontal elevator LMAO

[terse idol]

And the business of what's going on very well

[lusty shuttle]

thats what Im saying

[terse idol]

Frankly I thought he was a noble in disguise

[scarlet path]

Man must have a stealth build

[terse idol]

Iirc he has a purity seal on him so he's not just nobody

[lusty shuttle]

dudes a stealth vet or zealot

[terse idol]

But he's smart enough to have survived all this time

[somber axle]

I like to think Swagger is just using the Rejects as a diversion so he can quietly sneak by the 6th/poxwalkers

[scarlet path]

I was thinking he is either a part of the Rouge Trader's crew from the Mourningstar

Or a noble like you said

[lusty sapphire]

He 100% is

[somber axle]

It's a lot easier to maneuver if you know the area and the heat is pulled off you because an Ogryn is shouting and throwing rocks

[terse idol]

He knows his way around shady dealings

[hard cave]

Is the water cartel still in operation in the hive?

[scarlet path]

Cause people on rouge trader ships act eccentric like Swagger does, just look at Lady Alice

[hard cave]

or has the 6th just flushed them out

[terse idol]

Iirc they died

[somber axle]

Zola comments on them being one of the first to be wiped out so probably not

[scarlet path]

Some survived cause in the trailer Swagger was meeting with some of the Water Cartel members

[terse idol]

There's a Zola dialogue on the torrent that many of them got thrown off the bridge

[somber axle]

But then Zola is Zola so she's not as in the know as someone like Rannick

[lusty sapphire]

"Oh rejects I just HAPPEN to find the recipe for true moebian steel BUT the chaos legion ALSO somehow happened to find the same recipe location. How about you go there and make some noise"

[terse idol]

They got betrayed iirc

[scarlet path]

There are theories that the water cartel may have been a Genestealer cult

[somber axle]

There could be some water cartel holdouts somewhere but they'd be keeping their heads down and trying to wait out the storm

[lusty sapphire]

hehehhehe fucking loosers [he whispers]

[terse idol]

I want to say that much is unfounded but

[scarlet path]

Cause in the trailer when swagger met with the surviving water cartel guys they have a lot of deformities and shit like how the cultists do but ehh

quite a stretch

[hard cave]

I thought the water cartel were in bed with the 6th, and that's why they were fucked up

that could also be just regular hive hygiene

[somber axle]

If they were they'd still be alive

[terse idol]

That is a theory, I also just thought they were mutated by having been forced to live in a hivecity

[scarlet path]

This too, im not really on the genestealer cult theory but its an interesting one

[hard cave]

moebian 6th turning to nurgle because there's genestealers

I wonder what the chaos gods think about genestealers and tryanids

[scarlet path]

There is an exerpt from one of the books talking about a Demon looking at the hive fleet in the warp

and all he saw was nothing but writhing tentacles and endless teeth and all the demons who looked at it basically said "Nope. Nope. Fuck that, im not going in there"

[terse idol]

Makes em angry,
Can't convert em

[scarlet path]

Like the warp FEARS the tyranids

[terse idol]

Fun chew toy for Khornites I imagine

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

[hard cave]

damn, tyranids are really just the bbeg of the 40k universe

[terse idol]

I guess I did forget the whole "Shadow in the warp" deal that tyranid fleets project

[hard cave]

and necrons are the only counter, but they're too busy trying not to get dementia

[scarlet path]

[terse idol]

Okay after a brief stint!

It disrupts the immaterium

It won't likr

[somber axle]

Orks had a lot of fun fighting the Tyranids

[terse idol]

Snap manifested daemons away

But it does make it harder for new ones to breach into real space

[scarlet path]

When they fought when that inquisitor threw them at each other

they basically just kept growing in size and the Inquisition began to panic

[terse idol]

The shadow in the warp isn't equivalent to a physic null being able to re-form reality

[somber axle]

Which ever side won would inevitably make themselves much stronger for the battles

No matter who won it would be a problem for the Empire LOL

[terse idol]

Regrettably I'd think the nids would eventually win

They'd just gestate a genetic mutation to hinder ork spore spread

[scarlet path]

No its more along the lines of turning the areas of the warp they affect into something SO MUCH WORSE that even deamons wont go into it

[somber axle]

I think they did end up winning that one

[terse idol]

It doesn't make it woorse

It disrupts

There we goo

[scarlet path]

Sorry im still talking about this from the perspective of a Deamon looking at it from within the warp itself

[terse idol]

This is different to powerful psychic blanks that daemons are really afraid of

[scarlet path]

But yes that is what it does to people in realspace

[terse idol]

Well yeah that's fair

It's probably like, television static or literally a shadow that daemons looking into real space from the warp can't see in

[scarlet path]

In this book it shows the deamon look at the shadow in the warp from within the warp

He saw nothing but endless pain and suffering and he wanted nothing to do with it

A DEAMON

[slow spade]

I think that daemon was simply racist

[scarlet path]

I really need to refind that book

[scarlet path]

https://tenor.com/view/quagmire-real-meme-gif-26389588

[terse idol]

Daemons just aren't all built equally

[slow spade]

Tyranids did nothing wrong

sponsored by Hive Fleet Leviathan

[terse idol]

"Now look! I know the accusations... the accusations against the tyranid hive fleet.. they're all fake news! My father, good man, wonderful man the best man there ever was. He told me, me, as a kid that the tyranids are only here to help us. "

[idle swallow]

the chaos gods were the ceos of racism all along

[midnight totem]

Its all racism, all the way down

[scarlet path]

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[oblique totem]

Well, I'm convinced.

[faint beacon]

A small loan of 1 million biomass

[midnight totem]

Pretty sure that wig is to cover his genestealer baldness

[trail totem]

[lucid hinge]

I mean hey something to remake when the update drops

[trail totem]

it just gave me a copy of what i already have

[lucid hinge]

Oh what the fuck

I wish I could gamble this hard

[trail totem]

i just bought them from brunt's hourly trash dump shop

1st one just now, 2nd one i bought yesterday

[lusty shuttle]

every once in a while brunts has something worth buying

[iron marten]

ready for the crafting update...

[lusty shuttle]

how does sustained fire work with this? isnt it a certain charge(ammo amount) it shoots out?

[iron marten]

Waiting to turn this into +25% Damage for Unyielding :p

[trail totem]

if you do the shots back to back it counts as a salvo

with like 1s timer in-between to end and reset the volley salvo. should probably be on some kind of wiki

[tall torrent]

2nd, 3rd & 4th shots in a salvo have increased dmg

it's not very good for helbore

[trail totem]

well its either this or surgical

the other options suck even more

[umbral scaffold]

bros what perks would u throw on a shotgun

[hard cave]

Everything i find on brunt for my ogryn has been 370+