veteran-class

[pine snow]

is this any good

and is accatran good rn?

[spice wadi]

accatran has been let out of the hole in the ground it was forced to live in for a year

[thorn lark]

More like 18 months

Recon was nerfed to the ground in December 22

[cinder wadi]

Which devil's claw is the best? If there even is a best.

[safe kelp]

So... Now I have a XIII chainsword with +15% damage to flak, 25% damage to maniacs, level 4 rampage and level 4 wrath
Is it good enough?

[idle tinsel]

Since when they have bayonets?

[severe gale]

weapon customization mod

[idle tinsel]

And I was afraid I missed something.

[vivid silo]

Good enough for what? The short answer is either "Yes". The longer answer is "it depends". You shouldn't have problems using it, even in Aurics as it's definitely "good enough". Now, if you manage to swap out one of the cleave blessings for Rampage it might feel even better to use, but it wont make or break the weapon (like something like Brutal Momentum or Power Cycler can)

[vivid silo]

Either Mk IV or VII are the preferred options, as the Mk I doesn't have any single-target swings to take out beefier targets

Mk IV is slightly more straightforward to use than the Mk VII due to having a high-damage "Heavy 1" attack for beefier targets, whereas the MK VII needs to reach the "Heavy 2" attack for the same

[plain escarp]

Does anyone have a build that uses close and kill and smoke bombs?

My 2 last veteran penances and I'd like to have a somewhat functioning build at the least

[vivid silo]

Oh, I was going to say yes, but then you mentioned functional 😦

My Chain Axe schenanigans might not be what you are looking for

[plain escarp]

Ah whatever lemme see it

[vivid silo]

It's weird because I prioritize both Stamina regen delay nodes

But switch a few things around and it should be viable for most things

A friendly warning though: If you start developing a taste for a Chain Axe, you won't ever be able to go back to using other weapons

They simply feel like playing with toys appropriate for children

[plain escarp]

This is what I have

[cinder wadi]

Do you know what I would want as blessings/perks on them?

[vivid silo]

Generally it's Wrath/Savage Sweep + Rampage IIRC

Shred can work as well, but that's mostly for Zealots

Perks I'd reckon the standard Maniac + Flak, but I haven't used one in a while myself

[vivid silo]

A very serviceable Chain Axe. Some people feel like only having 1 of either Headtaker / Slaughterer, but I generally like the combo of them on the Mk IV

[pine snow]

im starting to remember why i barely used anything else after i got my plasma gun and power sword

grinding stuff for new guns is pure pain

cant wait for that update

[vivid silo]

Same, I got quite a few things I'd like to play with, but I just can't be arsed dealing with the gambling system

I have more than enough ressources, so that's not the issue either

[stray stream]

What is the plasma gun dump stat ?

[vivid silo]

If you are using it as a primary weapon, I'd reckon a split between Charge Rate and Ammo

If you are using it as a secondary weapon (mostly for quickswapping) I'd say Ammo

Charge rate also impacts the delay before uncharged shots go off, so it helps when quickswapping

And generally makes it easier to land shots, especially on moving targets

[hearty panther]

The real dump stat is thermal tbh

All three are pretty dumpable but the heat mechanic presently is almost cosmetic lol

[slow spade]

You don't want a full dump on any one stat

Thermal and Charge Rate are ideally the lowest

[hearty panther]

There's really no reason to care about Thermal. You're only ever going to left click spam and that doesn't allow overheating. At best it means one or two more shots before it has to auto-vent which is strictly ... no big deal.

[slow spade]

Yeah but if its too low, you lose 1 shot before overheat

Better to avoid it if you can

[hearty panther]

Once you hit auto-vent you can only ever fire two shots before it auto-vents again, assuming you are going full in.

[slow spade]

Those poxwalkers aren't killing themselves 💪

[limber karma]

is there any point for rending when shooting unarmored units like ragers?

[thorn lark]

Rending does not work on unarmored

(and infested)

[trim hemlock]

Ragers are not unarmoured. Dreg ragers have Maniac armour type, wheras Scab ones are Flak.

[uncut pebble]

I was under the impression that rending was just straight damage, not armor piercing.

[trim hemlock]

But yes, Rending/Brittleness does work on Maniac/Flak armour types

[thorn lark]

Unyielding, carapace

[trim hemlock]

So it may improve damage of certain attacks of weapons which would otherwise struggle with dealing damage to them

[still owl]

need help on talents. new here and to the game. running spearhead boltgun and tactical axe which works on my current level and Malice. lvl19 close to lvl20

[trim hemlock]

You could do something like this. Follow green lines first while levelling and then the orange ones.

and then you'll end up with 3 spare skill points by level 30

for whatever else you might need

[still owl]

gotcha, imma try it out in a bit thanks

[trim hemlock]

Also, welcome to DT

[slow spade]

Rending above 100% armor pen also gives 0.25% more damage per point of rending

So its not completely wasted

[strange crow]

Ok guys looking to get back into the game after a long break, I’ve heard infantry lasguns aren’t very good rn?

Also, can the Graia infantry autogun put in some work still or is it bad now?

[astral ingot]

Not really but they are worse than some overtuned weapons

[strange crow]

Ahh ok so I can still do well with them if I can get good again?

[astral ingot]

Pretty much

If you did well with them before you will do just fine with them now

[strange crow]

Awesome thank you

[idle pecan]

Does rending work on maniac

[terse idol]

I mean they've been pretty good

[idle pecan]

Columnus v is great

[terse idol]

The mg12 might be lagging behind abit but if you really build into it, it's very good

[terse idol]

Ciag is just op

[strange crow]

I prefer the 1a anyways

[terse idol]

Ia is still good

[strange crow]

Ok awesome awesome

[terse idol]

Just gotta yer

[idle pecan]

Best guns are pg, zarona ciagv

[terse idol]

Flak-Maniac
Headhunter, Deadly accurate

Boom done

[oblique totem]

More boolet more better

[idle pecan]

Deadly accurate on recon when

[oblique totem]

Next week, I hear.

[idle pecan]

Sheesh

[oblique totem]

My condolences

[strange crow]

Funnily enough that’s how mine was already built thankfully

Although I think I accidentally put crit chance on instead of maniac damage and can’t change it 😔

[last parcel]

yes

[last parcel]

anything you purposely put on can be changed again

[strange crow]

Oh right I’m dumb

[oblique totem]

Rend, brittle

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/peanut-peanut-butter-baking-yum-gif-5470133

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[terse idol]

Eh just wait for the itemization rework

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-waiting-patiently-waiting-for-you-waiting-on-you-gif-15489516379864441176

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/little-kitty-kitten-looking-a-phone-wth-huh-confused-gif-9511786994202518313

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t even be good is the sad part

[tame lodge]

They should make a Shock Trooper inspired blessing for recons

Just like how Determined and Between the eyes

[last parcel]

every time you crit, all the next shots are free for 5 seconds

[noble canyon]

Monkey's paw curls: Fatshark adds the blessing but removes the talent so Helbore/Infantry Lasguns have to engage with the ammo system

[somber axle]

Manstopper Recon

trick Vets into spamming into hordes

they already kinda do that

[last parcel]

the good ole flechette infernus deadshot recon

[last parcel]

dont call me out like that

[noble canyon]

Haven't seen one of those Recon fans in a while. Most of the time I play Vet, I end up being a discount Zealot with 60%+ dmg coming from melee.

[somber axle]

I always dreamed of having a squad full of Recon Vets pre-Secrets of the Machine God

the monkey's paw curled

they eat all the ammo and go red shooting at poxwalkers

[midnight totem]

pfft, discount zealot

more like zealots are discount vets

[faint beacon]

Zealots wish they could achieve the 40 fucking shredders peakness that is Lethal Proximity

[crude fiber]

If zealots could regen fire nades that would be busted

[clear lantern]

decided to run a full right-commando spec with a bolt pistol and a power sword to sneak up on fools and pistol whip them before blowing them up with a bolt pistol at T4 and it was marvelous.

with weapon mastery

[faint beacon]

I still think it’s hilarious how LP makes the shredders bleed range fucking massive

[clear lantern]

felt like a witch hunter; power sword to cleave through hordes and a quick weapon switch to blow away an elite, and back to power sword

[last parcel]

surprise motherfucker

[clear lantern]

like, if you haven't pistol whipped using the melee bash with the bolt pistol then just point-blank fired, I don't know if you're getting the most out of that goofy weapon

[faint beacon]

If you’re not using hit and run then you’re not peak Bistol maxxing

[pseudo pecan]

I swapped out iron will and kill confirmed for superiority complex and agile engagement gonna test out how it works for heresy

especially now I'm great at dodging

[clear lantern]

running?

[pseudo pecan]

also got deadshot to get that flat 30 percent crit chance

Basically like captain crunch except OOPS all crits

poor crusher isn't gonna know what hit em

[scarlet path]

My favorite move to bully ragers

[pseudo pecan]

lmao give em a smack

back yo ASS UP

I need someone to tell me the dumbed down difference between elite gunners and specialist gunners because I'm misunderstanding

or are they one in the same

[last parcel]

there aren't specialist gunners

unless you mean flamers

the flamethrower people

there's the two elite gunners that have that full auto stream
and there are regular trash-sized shooters that fire in bursts

[clear lantern]

snipers don't count as gunners

but on a Technicality

they are gunners

because they use a gun

[last parcel]

you could say that too

[clear lantern]

they don't count as gunners

[pseudo pecan]

right

so reddit dumb

didn't explain it at all

thank you

[clear lantern]

the ontological argument of calling a flamethrower a gun

[pseudo pecan]

i mean you put water in it

[sinful swallow]

the chaos theory of calling a poptart a sandwich

[pseudo pecan]

it's a water gun

[clear lantern]

the epistemology of gun-based nets, and net-based guns

to human beings, alien vs. predator is just alien vs. alien.

[pseudo pecan]

so is it not also a fire gun?

Indeed indeed

are we not just their aliens

are we not just aliens within our own universe of potential aliens

[clear lantern]

to the yaut'ja, we are soft meat and they are hard meat; different forms of trophies; to the xenomorph, we are different forms of hosts.

[pseudo pecan]

both a vessel of somewhat importance to both. to both a prize. for we can bear good to both species.

[idle dirge]

Maniac or Carapace damage for the achlys combat axe?

[pseudo pecan]

I'm almost wondering how carapiece and maniac would do

pace

it's pace lmao

[idle dirge]

Probably good, but I'm using the other perk slot for flak damage

[pseudo pecan]

ye. I just joined a match where everyone was basically dead lmao

[idle dirge]

It basically comes down to ragers or maulers and crushers, for me at least. There's only like two other carapace enemies which aren't even fully carapace, and every other maniac enemy is already easy to kill

[clear lantern]

I pick up the axe, and I strike it down on the mauler

and if it gets up, I do it again, and again

and eventually it stops getting up

[scarlet path]

Jesus fuck i just lost a SEDITION because somehow level 30s dont know to kill trappers before picking someone up

[shadow aurora]

I mean usually its better to unnet the player first because the trappers will stay still after capturing someone

But if it's sedition seems like you could just one tap them

[last parcel]

i assumed it was
someone gets downed --> someone tries to revive --> netted while reviving

[shadow aurora]

Oh yeah no kill disablers before committing to a res

Best case scenario you dodge but you still end up canceling the revive

[scarlet path]

There were also two trappers forgot to mention

But yeah they could have easily killed the trappers instead of walking up and trying to pick me up while JUST STARING STRAIGHT AT THE TRAPPERS

Bot behaivor

[serene ivy]

I ran iwth the helbore the other day and uh
i do not want to end up in a hellbore clutch situation again

especially when i ran exe stance and a suboptimal chainsword

[dense tartan]

One that gets me even though I'm level 30 is being hit by the overhead attack from the mauler/crusher while in stealth mode. I've gone down so many times when trying to revive someone because of that.

[idle dirge]

Thoughts on blessings for the ironhelm hacker?

[uncut pebble]

Use it with weapon spec.

Melee kill 3 enemies, swap, blast, repeat.

[idle swallow]

That's why if you're not confident you can clear out or heavy stagger the crushers or maulers on a downed teammate you just gotta say

https://tenor.com/uXxh.gif

[umbral scaffold]

@idle dirge i asked yday and got some responses in this thread if u wanna peep it

[idle dirge]

That's not a blessing though :p

[idle dirge]

Wrong reply

[last parcel]

this sign wont stop me because i cant read

[idle dirge]

Thanks 👍

[uncut pebble]

Oh I see.

I can't read, apparently.

[last parcel]

that's why you're a reject

[uncut pebble]

I want to say manstopper and full bore, but I may be wrong.

[umbral scaffold]

I have a r4 bloodletter i can throw on this thing, also 25% flak instead of 4% crit i assume?

[uncut pebble]

Really nice chainsword but it has neither BIS blessing or the right perks iirc.

[umbral scaffold]

i searched around and saw a post from sneaky cat about a build he uses to 1 shot crushers

from back in may. gonna try it on a crusher

[uncut pebble]

Oh then that's a specific build I'm not aware of.

Frankly, I didn't even know chainsword 1shots were possible.

[idle swallow]

Chaxe is probably what I do for one shots

[last parcel]

that's a meme build

[umbral scaffold]

ya but if i can blow up a crusher then yolo

[radiant chasm]

chsword crusher oneshots are not reliable

unless you invest a ton and even then...

[uncut pebble]

Tbh, I wouldn't do it at all. If you want a chain weapon to 1tap a crusher then you should use a chaxe.

[idle swallow]

You're better off doing thrust chaxe or psword if you wanna bully crushers

[uncut pebble]

And that would be a huge waste of a really well rolled mk13 chainsword.

I would just save it for the item update and fix it then.

[umbral scaffold]

word.. yea i also want somethin for hordes

am i safe to change the crit to flak for now?

[uncut pebble]

I would leave the crit chance alone and go for blessings instead.

Iirc, it's shred and wrath for the mk13.

[idle dirge]

This is the shotgun I have rn, thinking of replacing maniac damage with unyielding or scattershot with full bore or deathspitter

[umbral scaffold]

alrighty tyvm!

[uncut pebble]

👍

[upbeat summit]

So with all the Veteran builds out there. What is a good range build with Psword? Getting back to Veteran after Zealot.

[idle swallow]

Once you're familiar with the moveset and you've got a good PC4 roll on the Mk6 you can use it with anything really

[faint beacon]

I think what you could do is Get Manstopper on it seeing infinite cleave on a DB is genuinely insane

[idle dirge]

I've seen a lot of people recommend manstopper, but I feel like generally it'll just be a lot less useful considering it needs crits and a crowd to really be worthwhile

[last parcel]

that's why people recommend running it with weapon specialist to guarantee a crit

[severe gale]

weapon specialist gives you a guaranteed crit

on vet both barrels manstopper is the best way to run it

[idle dirge]

Even before now I've found it pretty good

[faint beacon]

I ask if you run Weapon Specialist or not, cause if not you'd have to use Scattershot with it

Combat Blade + DB whilst running Weapon Specialist is genuinely the most fun I've had with a CQC build

[idle dirge]

I'll use scattershot then, that way I can get the unyielding damage too lol

[faint beacon]

What keystone you running with it if you mind me asking?

[idle dirge]

None

[tall torrent]

What does ur build look like then

[idle dirge]

Gimme a sec to open the game lol

[tall torrent]

Drop smth for grenade regen & weapon specialist then

[idle dirge]

I can drop something for weapon specialist but I can definitely live without regenerating smoke grenades :p

[tall torrent]

At least get weapon specialist

[idle dirge]

Switched a few things around

[tall torrent]

If u run DB shotgun u should get always prepared for WS as well

[idle dirge]

I run db but most of the time I use melee

Well prepared would be nice but I'm not sure what I'd give up at this point

[tall torrent]

Surprise attack?

It’s not that good

[idle dirge]

the +30% damage feels pretty significant but I guess I don't get the effect out of it as often

[tall torrent]

It’s just not worth it

[idle pecan]

None of the stealth nodes are truly worth it

The threat node is just....not

The extra charge is nice but tactical awareness already removes cooldowns for ver

Extra damage could be nice but it's hard to utilize and it's on cooldown with the ability

And the toughness damage reduction on exiting stealth is a joke

[idle dirge]

Fair point for the extra charge node, but no shot I'm getting rid of the threat reduction. That's saved so many runs with me and friends

[idle pecan]

All it does is make enemies target your allies over you if they're close enough

If your allies aren't close enough it literally does nothing

Also if you use your stealth correctly you should be in a position that they can't attack you regardless

[idle dirge]

Fair, fair

[idle pecan]

Stealth is an AMAZING repositioning tool

Throw a shredder, pop stealth, run where you need to go

It's like a diet VoC

Let's you fix a fuck up

Only point of the extra damage node is if it helps you meet BPs

If you already one shot things it isn't gonna make you one shot more

[idle dirge]

How's all this, then :p

[idle pecan]

Very nice. Only change I would make is in favor of dropping born leader for the middle node

Born leader needs a buff imo

Only works with allies in coherency and it's such a low percentage

[earnest bone]

I wouldn't skip this, it's basically perma 25% crit for free

[idle pecan]

Eh, I've had negative experiences with it

Dodging not giving me my crit notibly

[idle dirge]

Don't think I'd need that with weapon specialist anyways

[idle pecan]

Oh it's amazing when it works

Combining it with Deadshot is actually silly amounts of damage

And MF with exe stance? Whew

[idle dirge]

I could combine those two instead of using weapons specialist then, maybe :p

[idle pecan]

Weapon specialist gives 100% crit

And a bunch of other useful bonuses

Try it out tho

Go into the psychanium and test it out

The downside to using Deadshot with the db is that you have to fire both barrels due to deadshot requiring you to aim

But if you run both barrels and man stopper it gets really funny really fast

[lusty sapphire]

You don't really but it's nice in melee with desperado and tfd

[idle pecan]

Desperado is my new favorite perk

[lusty sapphire]

Personally I'd do this with that build and double barrel. The only problem being that you basically have no blitz cause smokes not only won't be that useful but you also won't regenerate them

Funnily enough with manstopper db and whatever melee weapon I end up almost getting an even spread between melee and ranged dmg lol

[umbral scaffold]

what mod is this that lets u see whole thing in one screne

[lusty sapphire]

Smaller talent tree I think?

[umbral scaffold]

ty ❤️

[lusty sapphire]

Or something like that

[tall torrent]

reciprocity is usually not worth it

[lusty sapphire]

Trust it's not that bad when you have a point to spare

[tall torrent]

It’s a luxury grab that only really benefits 6 weapons

[lusty sapphire]

If I run it with the shred DC I almost get constant crits but I agree in the sense that it's a preference thing

[tall torrent]

Check how many stacks you’re actually keeping up

[lusty sapphire]

3 during hordes on average

[idle dirge]

Here's the rest of my build, before I changed some stuff

[tall torrent]

If u play smth like knife + Columnus5 then yea get reciprocity

For a lot of other weapons it’s luxury pick at best

If ur running smth like power sword/rashad you’ll kill things too fast to be able to dodge them

Suffering from success

And reciprocity is only ~1s faster boss killing in 1v1 for Rashad (where u are the target)

Even on smth like Columnus I usually don’t pick reciprocity unless I’m running knife

[thorn lark]

It benefits chainsword, taxe, knife, claw on the melee side

[inner widget]

Hey what are some good curios to use for this?

Oh and here's the build

[lusty sapphire]

2 toughness 1 health usually

[idle dirge]

Is it even possible to get lvl 2 blessings at lvl 30? Cause I don't have man-stopper earned

[lusty sapphire]

Not from hadron upgrades

[idle dirge]

So basically no, then

[lusty sapphire]

I had to make a second character to get manstopper

[idle dirge]

I do have a second lvl 30 veteran so at least I have two sets of shops to check

Actually I could probably get it on my zealot, since he's just lvl 19.
..Do need lvl 20 for the shotgun, apparently

[tall torrent]

don't take serrated blade unless u want to play mercy killer on knife

[midnight totem]

You can also get level 2 blessings from Emperor's gift

[thorn lark]

I have zealot, psyker and vet and I checked the shop daily. I had to make another.

[idle dirge]

Probably gonna take way longer tho

[midnight totem]

Nah it's easy.

Just play the hardest missions

The Emperor will gift you the worst guns upon completion

[wraith perch]

I wanna like the bolt pistol, but that shitty ADS design like if you are some thug aiming while holding it with 2 hands is kind of brainless

[inner widget]

Mercy killer?

@tall torrent

[tall torrent]

Blessing on knife

If u don’t use that blessing, don’t take serrated blade (talent)

[inner widget]

Ah alright 👌

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-john-wick-attack-gif-12310449

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/png-fake-png-keanu-reeves-john-wick-gun-gif-1508488464412808890

[midnight totem]

Perfect

[woven olive]

this shit with a infantry columnus and tac axe feels great imo

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, but then you're using a tac axe.

[woven olive]

hey it may not be a knife but it can stack bleed and i get good one shot heavys on dogs that are fast to wind up so im not shiting on tac axe

[uncut pebble]

I'm not either, lol. It's definitely a fun weapon, especially because special headshot stops charging mutants.

[tame lodge]

And heavies can fumble ragers, Mk2 my beloved

[pseudo pecan]

finally rolled something great

it sat at 379

gotta re roll some stuff hopefully the last few slots aren't ruined

if so oh well

I'll find another

although, speedload could be interesting to try out

45% faster reload speed when clearing ads while fighting boss sounds like a plus for dps to me

deff not dum dum tho

[umbral scaffold]

what perks / blessings should one aim for with a stub revolver

[last parcel]

surgical, hand cannon
elite dmg

and maniac? i forgor

[umbral scaffold]

tyty

[mental cloud]

I’m running a tac axe on my zealot. Thinking about running it on my vet as well.

Shock maul has been super fun tho

[severe gale]

no

unarmored

for dreg gunner one shot

[woven olive]

serrated makes the light attacks insanely lethal and even though it sounds weird 10% elites and 25% carapace is great on them mostly because the light spam will tear down ragers and gunners just that fast as is and the going for that extra 10% elites really helps for the maulers and crushers make them drop as fast as the ragers
its really fun honestly

[last parcel]

elite covers that

[mental cloud]

Gonna build one later now lol I assume headtaker and brutal momentum is the way go

[woven olive]

head taker all the way brother and try the skill tree setup i used if you want to min maxed damage out put

you could also try all or nothing with how often blocking shoving takes place it will proc often
just another surprisingly good blessing that dont look it half the time

[mental cloud]

I’ll see how the casino treats me. I have t3 BM and HT as blessings unlocked so I know I’ll have those at least.

[woven olive]

sounds good

[strange crow]

Also another random question, is stealth still the selfish vet ability or does it have more team play synergy now?

[severe gale]

dont worry about an ability being selfish, if you are alive and contributing to the fight, then thats what matters

if you can get value out of it then it works

[tame lodge]

Stealth drops aggro, it does not have synergy with your team
However you have, keep yourself alive and keep the team alive

[umbral garnet]

The biggest thing stealth does for team synergy is clutch revives and being able to dish out disgusting one-hit damage to tanky bastards like monstrosities.

At least for me.

[idle dirge]

Apparently when you're stealthed you can't push poxbursters

[tall torrent]

Infiltrate has very high potential but u have to play very aggressive with it

[strange crow]

Thanks for the info guys

[severe gale]

any recommendations for what recon las to use for the marksmans focus penance?

[tall torrent]

Queue mercantile in private with a friend, melee farm the starting spawn, don’t breach 2nd door (into first event)

Kill enough, leave, repeat

U can finish in like 3 games

[severe gale]

ok but which recon las

[tall torrent]

That’s the neat part u don’t use gun

[severe gale]

oh yeah

forgot abnout that

ik

[tall torrent]

U just melee the entire time

[magic trout]

Can acatran work without shock trooper or headhunter?

[bitter musk]

Veteran best klas

[lyric dock]

Okay. This was a bit funny

[last parcel]

it can but at that point there’s not much benefit over an infantry autogun

[tame lodge]

Deathspitter 7a

[last parcel]

why do i keep getting this shit on my psyker

[umbral garnet]

WHAT IS THAT PERK

[last parcel]

not important

[umbral garnet]

I think it's very important.

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are-gif-4332896312672829230

[umbral scaffold]

ive gotten three of these things this week

[pseudo pecan]

commits die 😂 I thought it was scary to outsource my passive toughness perks. boy you really notice em when they're gone lmao

scary

smart**

I mean it was dumb how quick I went down cuz I was used to just having tougness

[midnight scaffold]

is this fixable? melk has it for sale

[shell violet]

Me when I what kind of man someone is

[tame lodge]

Wait for update

[umbral garnet]

So me ikr

[midnight scaffold]

buy and bank you think then?

[shell violet]

Yeah sure uh huh

[umbral garnet]

Thanks bestie

[shell violet]

I'd prefer "RULER OF THE COSMOS" but bestie will suffice

[umbral garnet]

Oh, my apologies. Ahem

Thanks

RULER OF THE COSMOS

[pseudo pecan]

Jesus all my weapons feel underpowered all of a sudden

like especially the powersword

[radiant chasm]

how

[last parcel]

if you die, you do less damage

[pseudo pecan]

idk

maybe I'm just overthinking and not focused at all

but it just feels like I'm not lopping heads off in two hits on armored ads as consistently amymore

ah

you know what

my dumbass turned off precision strikes

💀

that oughta do it

I was trying out the +25% crit while aiming and forgot to turn the other back on when I switched kill confirmed for it

[severe gale]

if i bind ping to shoot

and run focus target

for the penance

[last parcel]

i'll claw your eyes out

[severe gale]

will that get me the counts for it

[severe gale]

im trying to get these penances done as fast as possible

i dont like playing vet

[oblique totem]

Sad to hear, but I suppose inevitable.

[severe gale]

i find vet boring

zealot and psyker are much more fun

[last parcel]

yes

[oblique totem]

No I get it.

Only monsters and degenerates enjoy playing vet.

[severe gale]

ok pawesome

time to make my team fucking hate me

[last parcel]

oh so nothing changed

[oblique totem]

They weren't a good team anyway.

I mean. Probably.

[tall torrent]

[narrow frost]

Vet players when low on ammo

crate comes first

meanwhile the big bag around the corner

[pseudo pecan]

I mean tbh I'm only playing vet cuz its the first class I got to 30. I need to play zealot.

or ogryn

I got them started

I think zealot was better though, just the variety, although I like tanking with ogryn too

yeah zealot is literally better for my gameplay

I just looked at the tree

that's crazy

I've been basically masochising myself playing vet

[fossil basalt]

vet go pewpew hard in comparison

zealot is just like "melee? yes"

[pseudo pecan]

yeah and even the close ranged as well, which I bum rush (smartly ofc) everything

so yeah

guess zealot it is

[tall torrent]

Play all 4 classes, it’ll give u a basic understanding of what each class is good at

[pseudo pecan]

I definitely will, got a good idea from observing others in gameplay which now I'm actually reading the tree it's starting to add up now.

[tall torrent]

Also just a basic tip for zealot

You should pretty much always take second wind (top right)

Which leads into throwing knife

Unless ur playing martyrdom then it depends

Second wind is too good to not take in 95+% builds

[pseudo pecan]

I'm definitely gonna get the left side of that side too.

it's all really good for the style I play in. it'll definitely make me feel better once I hit 30

[tall torrent]

Get used to throwing knives and you basically get the best special sniping tool in the game with infinite ammo

It’s like a Zarona revolver that doesn’t need to reload and basically never runs out of ammo

[pseudo pecan]

I'll definitely try it out

[tall torrent]

The other blitz’s pathing talents aren’t nearly as good as throwing knife’s

Would only consider anoint in blood & purge the unclean (top middle)

[pseudo pecan]

it feels weird having to play sedition again

[deft oriole]

Once i got good at throwing knives I put my revolver away entirely. Swapped to double barrel/flamer. Feels great

[wicked epoch]

he looks so sad

[rare bough]

Melee vet is extremely viable too imo

[deft oriole]

What's everyones favorite shovel

[wicked epoch]

he probably got a bad rol

roll

[pseudo pecan]

lmao

[somber axle]

the non-folding shovel

basic shovel bonks

[pine snow]

someone around me is i think building something and i swear its making the poxburster tock tock

[tame lodge]

Mk7

Single target, horde control

[idle dirge]

I got one talent point to spare, where do I put it

[hard cave]

Probably on an infiltration node

[umbral scaffold]

The second charge

[hard cave]

whatever one gives u roughness

or that

[umbral scaffold]

Oh wait, reciprocity isn't there

https://tenor.com/view/tuh-buh-guh-cuh-what-gif-9750912507529527670

water you doing

[last parcel]

have you done the bleed meme yet

[somber axle]

no

😩

am too busy with work + FF14 stuff with friends lately

I haven't touched Darktide in a while

[oblique totem]

FF14 is a fun game though.

[somber axle]

absolutely

I am lost to another world for now

[oblique totem]

I got pulled into RDR2. Then Squad.

[tame lodge]

I'm cyber on my punk till I 2077

I know, no one asked

[somber axle]

RDR2O was fun with friends until hackers made dynamite tornados to spawn camp us so we just went to different games

we mostly just did trading together LOL

hunting stuff, collecting hides and making money

we got a cart!

and we fought off other players trying to steal it

fun times until hackers made us decide the game was no longer fun times

[slate hawk]

Abiotic factor is a great time

[shadow aurora]

Standard issue. Weapon specialist with all the melee stuff and it gets turned into a lawnmower anything gets immediately shredded except crushers

[midnight totem]

I like all the shovels

But there's no denying

Base shovel fucks

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ollie-boop-paws-boop-gentle-boop-gif-10872413038021902498

[midnight totem]

No

[last parcel]

[near sable]

https://tenor.com/view/jeffrey-dean-morgan-smug-twd-negan-the-walking-dead-gif-9263025

[mighty anvil]

How can I improve this brick

[tame lodge]

Dumdum Headhunter

Extra stamina for Deadshot

Or you wait for someone that actually knows how to recon

And get a proper answer

[last parcel]

dumdum sustained carapace elite for psyk warrior showcases

[oblique totem]

Don't worry. They upgraded to invisible dynamite tornados now

[mighty anvil]

is sustained good?

[last parcel]

no

unless you only fire in ~4 round bursts

[mighty anvil]

is the ideal roll Dum Dum/Infernus?

[somber axle]

They also upgraded to being abandoned by the developers in favour of the devs going after their other game

I vaguely remember seeing all the weird clown memes about RDR2O of people dressing up as clowns to make fun of the devs for not updating the game and then later heard that the devs were just straight up doing zero future updates LOL

they meme'd themselves to death

[torn glen]

Their is no 1 idea roll.

A vet could use a Headhunter/Infernus for pure crit build.

DumDum just goes for power scaling, so you typically stack both blessings as power/close range damage

[mighty anvil]

is the Laspistol just a better Bistol

[mortal orbit]

They released some ok stuff after that, added a few more telegram mission, blood money was pretty cool. NGL that game is still great to play, the only issue is that theres not much of a great endgame after getting everything maxxed

Took em almost 2 years to fix the stable glitch

[somber axle]

wait so were the RDR2O players just being babies

I thought the game was legitimately getting no further updates but sounds like they are still adding little bits here and there

[mortal orbit]

Its dead now, but the whole clown thing was done after rockstar announced the news of no future major updates

[somber axle]

ah ok

I found a thing saying they were ceasing development on new content in 2022

no new events or anything

just putting stuff on loop

[mortal orbit]

They still threw stuff in, fixed glitches. Ya the major stuff, they have the events are

Looping, ya.

[somber axle]

GTAV is where their real cash flow is anyway so it's not a surprise they left RDR2O in the dust

plus new GTA soon

[mortal orbit]

The game now compared to vanilla is great, getting cash during year 1 of rdo was awful

Ya gta effectively smothered rdo in the bathtub

https://tenor.com/view/the-good-son-1993-macaulay-culkin-elijah-wood-smoking-cigarettes-gif-26841383

[somber axle]

they pulled a lot of the team off RDR2O to shove them into the new GTA development

it never had a chance

gotta chase the MONEY

[wicked epoch]

dripped out

[last parcel]

i got something else dripping right now

[tame lodge]

Nah, one goes pew pew pew dead gunner
The other goes aim boom dead gunner

[last parcel]

||i slammed my chainsword into a cultist’s gut and now there’s meat chunks and blood all over it||

[hollow turtle]

Staring at the Space Marine 2 gameplay and seeing the Space Marine fight alongside normal guardsman, I can't but wonder why some of us Darktide players think we could possibly handle a Chaos Space Marine as a boss.

[last parcel]

nah i’d win

[hollow turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-23199856

[last parcel]

[wicked epoch]

we can kill beasts of nurgle

thats why

Don’t think astartes are so above us though

Sure the vet straight up says we’re fighting an astartes level threat

But many a time the astartes fell to something like a normal guardsman

[hollow turtle]

Lol should add nerglings as part of the chaff mobs.

[somber axle]

I read a comment under one of the Space Marine 2 youtube vids asking why the guardsmen weren't seeing their skin begin to melt and their lungs collapse from attempting to breathe and thought he was just goofing until I saw the reply saying that the invasion hadn't progressed to that stage yet and like

yeah

Tyranid invasion seems worse than a Nurgle invasion

[wicked epoch]

id

kinda disahree

disagree

nurgle invasions are probably worse

[somber axle]

if the air just begins to digest you how do you even fight that

[wicked epoch]

how about if everything is just diseased

[somber axle]

we just show up and shoot the diseased people like we are now

[tall torrent]

Nurgle invasion before garden spawning is not as bad

[wicked epoch]

yeah if the air digests how about when literally you cant breathe wven with a rebreather

[tall torrent]

With that said, DT player characters are absolutely above their normal scaling

[wicked epoch]

eventually the contagions just get so bad our little masks become little more than cosmetic

[wicked epoch]

this

[hollow turtle]

Lol second hive city on tertium

[somber axle]

slow poxwalkers feel like less of a problem than the swarms of tyranids who move faster and have body armour that is more resistant to lasfire

[tall torrent]

DT veteran is basically just 1 gene seed implant away from Astartes lvl

[hollow turtle]

That and a bunch of surgeries

[tall torrent]

DT veteran is very clearly tempestus scion lvl at the very least

[last parcel]

gonna kill a lord of change with my shredder sutopistol

[wicked epoch]

sly marbo

[hollow turtle]

Oh yeah, that I can def see.

[wicked epoch]

a nurgle invasion would include death guard

[hollow turtle]

And ogryn is one of the smart ogryn's

[wicked epoch]

atleast one in the late late stages

[tall torrent]

Psyker’s power scaling is also pretty high for “not insane psyker”

[wicked epoch]

zealot i dont even know what would describe

[somber axle]

I'm not sold on chaos space marines being scarier than some of the bigger bugs in Tyranid fleets tbh

[tall torrent]

Zealot is touched by tzeentch

And khorne

[wicked epoch]

yeah but when they throw literal grenades of disease at you

yeeeeesh

[somber axle]

the weird tyranid that can just turn invisible at will and stalks people to kill them seems way more terrifying than anything the chaos space marines do

[tall torrent]

Also at the very least

Both professional & cutthroat veterans have encountered heretic astartes and survived

[wicked epoch]

where'd they say that?

[tall torrent]

Loose cannon even knows about grey knights

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat was on Cadia

[wicked epoch]

where do i find these voice lines

[tall torrent]

If u download prologue mod and play prologue as cutthroat one of his lines is “I survived Cadia. I will survive this”

[wicked epoch]

theres a prologue mod?

[tall torrent]

He also says “heretic astartes are real” when zealots ask abt it

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s on nexus

[wicked epoch]

what does it do

[mighty anvil]

this procs on doing the quick swap to cancel the bolt action sniper reload animation

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956079597936607285/1266920841531363429/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.07.27_-_11.41.14.48.png?ex=66b80afa&is=66b6b97a&hm=05be4bd94837b3e70980cfb49bfed56e8e2d6117d8084c72194bc6e548db9621&

[mighty anvil]

so now i have a legit reason for spamming weapon swap XD

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956079597936607285/1266920793321771110/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.07.26_-_15.56.46.98.png?ex=66b80aef&is=66b6b96f&hm=18b8065e9296958be2e6b105bad82481cdeaf7954a2e67eab16fec8eaa46a46b&

U get to replay the prologue with ur character

[mighty anvil]

how

[somber axle]

idk what in game dialogue the game has for space marines but there's this thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrwMP9z1S7Y

[tall torrent]

Prologue mod

[mighty anvil]

oh

[somber axle]

kinda neat that the Veteran is the one who seems to know about fighting Chaos Space Marines

Zealot is like "wow if those exist I might as well just give up I guess"

[tall torrent]

Yea this is female cutthroat talking abt it

[somber axle]

probably why they keep the existence of chaos marines so secret

[tall torrent]

Male cutthroat says smth similar

[somber axle]

zealots are both the strongest sources of faith among humans and also the most fragile

[tall torrent]

Cutthroat canonically was on Cadia (not even neighbouring worlds) and encountered & survived heretic astartes

[wicked epoch]

is there more mines

[hollow turtle]

Impossible. Cutthroat's the one who can't remember all the callouts right?

That's not very Cadian.

[tall torrent]

No that’s loose cannon

[hollow turtle]

Oh. Lol my memory is foggy

[somber axle]

it feels like chaos marines are sorta overhyped?

[tall torrent]

Depends

[hollow turtle]

Depends on which legion.

[tall torrent]

Astartes power scaling is all over the place

[last parcel]

loose cannon confirmed

[tall torrent]

Even same legion has wildly different power scaling

[somber axle]

Guardsmen can and do fight and win 1v1s vs Chaos Marines

[hollow turtle]

There was also that one Skitarii and a single imperial guardsman that killed 2-3 emp children space marines in an ambush

[somber axle]

Rejects could probably fight a Nurgle Marine

[hollow turtle]

before being brutally and tragically ended

[wicked epoch]

those are catachans, who usually have really bonkers lore

[last parcel]

ambushes do tend to favor the attacker

[wicked epoch]

Dont forget just how bonkers catachans are

[thick wolf]

Remember that Malum Caedo casually roflstomps them

[tall torrent]

If we exclude the “named main character” parts from power scaling then DT player characters can absolutely beat a plague marine

[hollow turtle]

catachans are all rambos.

sly marbo is just the most rambo. He is the John Catachan.

[wicked epoch]

Why dont they make it so the mission has the plague marine hunt them down and it can only be wounded?

hear me out on this

a mission where the rejects investigate some heretic orbital drop thing

[tall torrent]

FS is mainly focusing on regular humans

[wicked epoch]

turns out to be an empty drop pod

[hollow turtle]

You mean like the stalker from Warframe where it just ambushes you suddenly?

[wicked epoch]

LET ME COOK 🗣️

[somber axle]

I love Catachans

[wicked epoch]

yea

[somber axle]

second fav regiment behind Elysians

[tall torrent]

AFAIK there may be a chaos sorcerer on Atoma but not a space marine

[thick wolf]

They can breathe the funny nurgle gas with no ill effects aside from HP bar reduction

[wicked epoch]

let me cook you karker 🗣️👹

[wicked epoch]

they report that to zola or morrow whoever the fuck

[hollow turtle]

They could, but I feel like an astartes with the ambush surprise element, could/should down one of us almost immediately just for added dramatic effect.

[wicked epoch]

oh yeah thats the thing

[thick wolf]

Hell zealots can even fight through the gas if you give them a horde to slice through

[somber axle]

I've seen some people say an Ogryn can 1v1 a Space Marine reasonably well in hand to hand combat too and come out on top more often than people would think but lose out on ranged combat a lot

so the Darktide Ogryn backed up by the other rejects could probably go toe to toe with a Nurgle Marine

[thick wolf]

Faith is so strong disease and illness is a mere concept

[tall torrent]

Well DT doesn’t have friendly fire damage and veteran + ogryn can prob speedrun a space marine within 30s tops

[hollow turtle]

I've actually read about this somewhere.

[wicked epoch]

If DT characters werent so bonkers it would be like a legitimate scary thing

[hollow turtle]

I've been gone for a few months. Anything I should be aware of?

[wicked epoch]

something that attacks as fast as a rager, moves as fast as a hound, more armored than a crusher

[tall torrent]

Still gonna get stunlocked to oblivion

[thick wolf]

DT Vets alone can stagger a chaos spawn by simply yelling

[hollow turtle]

Lol that's funny when you say it that way.

[thick wolf]

They are so angry that they release a shockwave that staggers everyone

And even do the funny payday 2 inspire if you pick the shout revive talent

[somber axle]

it would be wild if they had the highest stagger resistance in the game too

VoC shout and they just ignore it

[wicked epoch]

me who dealt 45k boss damage with a funny shiny sword, some sticky nades, and screaming

[tall torrent]

Wouldn’t matter much cuz there’re things that just hard stagger

[wicked epoch]

I wanna try and find a way to make the shout revive a decent build

[somber axle]

just make them immune

[wicked epoch]

its such a cool thing but its so useless

[thick wolf]

I uses it a few times

[somber axle]

chaos marine being stagger immune would be funny

[thick wolf]

Only to discipline myself in not relying on it too much

[wicked epoch]

imagine if they could shoulder bash like a mutant

[thick wolf]

Not because it's useful or anything

[somber axle]

would make controlling them more fun

[tall torrent]

Don’t think it’d matter that much because the problem is that

[somber axle]

but they'd need to be a dedicated assassination mission like the Karnak Twins

[tall torrent]

Even if u make it rager tier atk speed and immune to every stagger

[somber axle]

and not just a random mini-boss that can appear in a level

[tall torrent]

1 single rager is still not that hard lol

[wicked epoch]

imagine said rager having each attack be like a mauler overhead

[thick wolf]

Don't the twins used to randomly invade missions

[tall torrent]

If if that rager had 80k health it would still not be that hard

[wicked epoch]

When was that

[tall torrent]

Yea it wouldn’t matter that much

It’s still getting solo’d

[somber axle]

give them stagger immunity, long reach and fast attack speed, and they'll still probably wipe most rejects fighting them in the first days of release

[tall torrent]

Just not stun locked

[wicked epoch]

what if the thing had tentacles

that acted as extra limbs

[thick wolf]

There are videos that show at least one if them invading the smelter mission

[wicked epoch]

send send send

[thick wolf]

And singlehandedly just shitted the entire team

[somber axle]

could also do a funny mechanic where they're healed by pox gas and throughout the fight pox bombers throw grenades in to support them

[tall torrent]

Yea and after orthus offensive, rinda is not dead, Rodin’s turbo dead

[somber axle]

make pox bombers extra kill on sight

[tall torrent]

Rinda’s the easier one

[somber axle]

wait Rinda survived?

how do you know?

[wicked epoch]

She twitches a but

bit

[tall torrent]

Rinda is basically what ur describing as a chaos marine fight

She’s not actually that hard

[wicked epoch]

but why not make it harder

is there even a way?

[thick wolf]

https://youtu.be/7AMgBM43Le0?si=8zacHlFmJ2LpZasY

[tall torrent]

The hard one is Rodin

But Rodin’s turbo dead

[somber axle]

give it healing so it becomes more of a DPS check

[tall torrent]

Rinda’s not dead for 2 reasons

[somber axle]

if people can just dance around forever they can win a fight no matter how long it takes

[tall torrent]

In orthus offensive final cutscene, her finger moves

[somber axle]

if a boss heals through their damage then 1 player on some loadouts will just find it literally impossible to beat out their healing

[tall torrent]

And if u spawn her in meat grinder & kill her, her model has no gore settings no matter what u hit her with

[thick wolf]

And players don't prioritize her as much until Rodin suffers a heart attack and dies

[somber axle]

ok but that feels like post death twitching

[thick wolf]

Hilariously Rinda thinks Rodin is weak af

[wicked epoch]

sounds like itd work

[somber axle]

like someone filleting a recently dead fish and sprinkling it with salt will see it flop around too

dead things can twitch

[tall torrent]

Whereas Rodin’s dead because u can make his body look like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1270581707594010654/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.08.06_-_23.14.44.83.png?ex=66b82d6d&is=66b6dbed&hm=df6484984fffdecec065b27d1df35b720db9d4e37174503011350c9ddfe30c03&

[thick wolf]

Is his fingers clipping through the pistol grip

[wicked epoch]

how the fuck are they so tall

let alone so fucking fast

[wicked epoch]

Was this just random?

[tall torrent]

Rodin’s not fast

[wicked epoch]

well rinda atleast

[tall torrent]

Rodin just does a quadrillion damage

That u can’t block

[thick wolf]

Rinda is just as fast as a knife zealot

[tall torrent]

Rinda’s fairly simple

She doesn’t even damage stamina much

[thick wolf]

Then again the rejects border on superhuman

[wicked epoch]

Realistically we shouldnt have gone past our first mission

[somber axle]

tie healing to a mechanic to allow players some measure of counterplay but depending on how fast the boss is, how much reach the attacks have and what sort of other fun tricks the boss has it can definitely be a tricky fight for people to do

a lot of people had trouble with chaos spawn and some still do because of how unpredictable and fast it can be, but once you learn the moveset and begin to anticipate what combo is coming you can sorta adapt on the fly and kill it and some people can kill them without taking any HP damage

[wicked epoch]

some attack on titan type shit yk

[somber axle]

so it's sorta like that

in the early days it would mop up players

[wicked epoch]

lemme say it now

fuck chaos spawn

[somber axle]

once players figure out the moveset they'd adjust

[wicked epoch]

i hate those things

[thick wolf]

Curiosity sake

[tall torrent]

Just learn its moveset

[wicked epoch]

i did notice they look like muties or the ragers transform into them

[thick wolf]

Is the Chaos Spawn like wholesale recycled from VT2

[wicked epoch]

i just shoot the shit out of it

[thick wolf]

Anims and some of its model and everything

[tall torrent]

Just learn melee it’s not that hard

[wicked epoch]

I can melee it jsut fine, how did you think i did 45k boss damage once?

[thick wolf]

Just keep blocking and dash backwards if it goes ape shit towards you

[wicked epoch]

i just started coming at it with a power sword and aome nades

mag dumped it with a pistol and i just went to town

[thick wolf]

Dodge the grab tho cus you ain't blocking that

[somber axle]

yeah once you learn to dodge right under the arm for the grab the boss becomes so much easier

[wicked epoch]

is it me or like

does the rager look like it becomes a mutant

the dreg rager

looks like it shares stuff with the mutie

then the chaos spawn

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/985983134275366943/1252140950101430312/chaos_spawn_35s.mov?ex=66b853a2&is=66b70222&hm=045b425d61020004ce02c58b8850d0b0503f215d1d1512db13e3e14b8b532120&

[wicked epoch]

feels like they evolve into it overtime

[somber axle]

I just like the progression of levels looking worse

Secrets of the Machine God touched up a lot of existing levels and changed things

we're actively losing this war and it shows

[tall torrent]

Supposedly Dreg rager -> mutant -> chaos spawn

[wicked epoch]

Yeah, it looks like that whole lineage is going in that direction

with the little green vials

[wicked epoch]

What did they look like before?

[thick wolf]

For all of that muscles

[wicked epoch]

The green chaos bane muscle drugs

[somber axle]

one of the maps used to have a neat stairway you walked down and now the whole area is demolished with broken catwalks and fires that you have to drop down instead

it's extra funny fighting bosses in that broken room

[thick wolf]

Mutants deal tickle damage and don't rough you as much unless you're out of toughness

[somber axle]

but the most noticeable change is hab dreyko tree

[earnest bone]

My Enclavum Barros bridge sequence is ruined, it's now 1 million times more annoying, since pubs dont want to carry anything most of the time

[somber axle]

that room is significantly worse than pre-Secrets

[earnest bone]

[wicked epoch]

Got any before and after pics?

[somber axle]

Not on hand no

but I might be able to google it

[wicked epoch]

Aigh

So if we’re losing so badly, what could be up next lore wise?

Mars wont send us anything according to Hadron

[tall torrent]

We’re not losing tho

[wicked epoch]

I dont really have any clue on what the other moebian regiment whos helping us is doing

[thick wolf]

It's just map changes because FS wanted to change some stuff I guess

[wicked epoch]

But they never look like they’re doing well

[tall torrent]

Lore-wise the war for Atoma has basically only been going better? Besides pox gas infested lvls

[thick wolf]

I.e coliseum holdout

[wicked epoch]

I guess maybe its just that stuff breaks as wars go on

[thick wolf]

I need more Wolfer voice lines, I wanna hear him get more and more angry

[somber axle]

I don't think we're losing badly, we're still maintaining our presence at least. Inquisition and the Moebian 21st are backing us up. But we do actively see the 21st holding a bridge with a Lemun Russ and later return to that map to see the 21st were wiped out and the tank was taken by the heretics

[earnest bone]

Annoying puzzle + nonstop elite spawns on Auric + the fact it's almost in the open space + random fire and tox bombs on that puzzle spot makes this one the worst with pugs, the previous hab dreyko final was much better, you can just search it alone while pugs do whatever.

[thick wolf]

Like a middle manager who had to herd a bunch of stray cats

[somber axle]

We're slowly and steadily being pushed back

[wicked epoch]

I feel like i remember that but i dont at the same time

[tall torrent]

True Moebian steel now in production
Rodin Karnak dead
Destroyed plague tree to prevent nurgle’s garden from forming
Destroyed Moebian 6th’s stimms production & infiltrated the carnival

[somber axle]

you can still do it solo with infiltrate tbh LOL

[tall torrent]

It’s really only been going better for loyalists

[thick wolf]

Tho isn't the plague tree thing just temporary

[somber axle]

I've had braindead teams who would just die over and over

if you have Infiltrate you can just force the puzzle and also revive them ezpz

just keep feeding their bodies into the nurgle meat grinder

[earnest bone]

that's the only viable non-stress option

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s being contested which still means that nurgle’s garden can’t form

It can’t form when the plague tree is getting smacked every 2 hours by a new strike team

[wicked epoch]

which map had the 21st and their tanks again?

It was chasm terminus right?

[somber axle]

the Moebian steel thing is neat! idk about the tree being gone gone but it's dead enough that it regrowing is going to take time at least

[wicked epoch]

Chasm station or whatever

[thick wolf]

I think one of the assassination maps

[wicked epoch]

Yeah that

[somber axle]

feels like we're buying time for something

we're not really gaining ground, just losing it

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s being destroyed & grown back, on repeat
Still means that nurgle’s garden can’t form so that’s somewhat of a W for loyalists

[thick wolf]

Rip to all that snow

[wicked epoch]

Then they get wiped out on the ascension riser map right

[somber axle]

definitely a very important win

[wicked epoch]

how are the moebian regiments such a pushover

[thick wolf]

Because navy lol

[somber axle]

whatever the rejects are buying time for, the inquisition better have a very good trick up their sleeve to turn the tide because it's a losing fight right now

[wicked epoch]

The 6th for all their “glory” are still getting torn up by 4 dumbasses

[tall torrent]

Because the 21st is a naval based regiment being forced to fight CQC in a hive city

[thick wolf]

The 21st are glorified navy boys

[wicked epoch]

Naval regiment who fought in hive cities too

hence all the valkyries

[tall torrent]

Primarily naval combat

[somber axle]

the Moebian 6th were the elite of the Moebian domain I think?

they're like

their best

[wicked epoch]

So what they just suck on the ground then?

[tall torrent]

6th is the elite

[somber axle]

so it makes sense they're demolishing the 21st

the 21st are out of their element and fighting a superior force while also outnumbered and facing a spreading disease

[wicked epoch]

What about literally any other moebian regiment?

[somber axle]

even without the poxwalkers, plague ogryns, beasts of nurgle and chaos spawns they'd still be fighting a losing war if it was just 1v1 vs the Moebian 6th

[lilac mesa]

wut blessing and perks do yall run on boltgun?

[tall torrent]

It’s just that the 6th isn’t so elite compared to “just below astartes” level strike teams

[somber axle]

Wolfer would chew them up and spit them out

[thick wolf]

Also the 6th have Rambo units, SOMEONE CALLED FOR A BOOM, Gordon Ramsay, Prey 2017, the like

[wicked epoch]

Surgical and pinning fire

[somber axle]

the Rejects are the force balancing out the scales a bit better for the 21st

but the 21st are absolutely not winning their battles vs the 6th

[wicked epoch]

Are there any inquisitorial guardsmen or something? I saw the cutscenes they definitely exist

[thick wolf]

Yes

Mourningstar

[wicked epoch]

Do they even play a role?

[thick wolf]

And potentially you if you wear their clothes

[tall torrent]

21st isn’t losing that badly either, most of the maps they’re in are where they’re in a stalemate with the 6th

[somber axle]

Yeah they're aboard the Mourningstar but they're not being deployed to the planet as far as we've seen

they do comment about wanting to do team ups

so they ARE being deployed

[earnest bone]

I would like to see a mission where we assist space marines or something

[wicked epoch]

What about the armory cutscenes?

[somber axle]

just not in anything we see

[earnest bone]

since we can't play as them

[wicked epoch]

because they literally have dead operatives getting looted

[somber axle]

wdym

[tall torrent]

I want to see a mission where we go to high spires and assassinate corrupt nobles

As a follow-up to Archivum sycorax

[wicked epoch]

When you unlock the armory, it literally shows them taking lasguns off of dead operatives

[earnest bone]

https://tenor.com/view/a-level-pol-a-level-politics-politics-a-level-sixth-form-gif-22992582

[wicked epoch]

wearing that exact outfit

[somber axle]

I mean there's that bridge where they're holding position with a tank and then there's a later mission where we cross it backwards to see they were defeated and their corpses litter the bridge

they lost that one at least

[tall torrent]

Where’s that other mission u see them defeated

[somber axle]

it's the one I see a lot with lights out

same map but the 21st are dead

[tall torrent]

What’s the name

[wicked epoch]

Ascension riser was it? I genuinely forgot

[somber axle]

I forgor tbh LOL

[wicked epoch]

i just know the first part was chasm

[somber axle]

I know I see it often in lights out

[wicked epoch]

chasm terminus

[tall torrent]

Ascension riser doesn’t even have u return to their post

[wicked epoch]

im mixing it with another one then

[hollow turtle]

They died? They weren't kidding. Imperial guardsman off of Wish.

[somber axle]

I'm not sure if the 6th beat them and executed everyone on site or if the 21st were just forced into a retreat but they don't hold that position anymore

but there's also the funny cutscene with Wolfer arriving via dropship and his men beating the 21st

[tall torrent]

Their objective in every single map they’re in is to hold ground in a stalemate and in every one of those maps u go in front of them to fk shit up for the 6th

[somber axle]

and the few 21st survivors are on their knees while Wolfer walks past them

[tall torrent]

That’s 1 cutscene

[somber axle]

we never really see the 21st win anything

[tall torrent]

Not a map we actually play

[somber axle]

and the trailer shows 21st Recon teams being massacred

[wicked epoch]

Theres also the same map where the 21st hold the bridge, you can see the wounded and all that

[somber axle]

and we do see the trailer squad dead and strung up

[tall torrent]

We don’t see 21st win but we don’t rly see them lose in any of the maps we play, just 1 cutscene

[somber axle]

the 21st are losing

[wicked epoch]

Its 4 guardsmen against all that

[somber axle]

they never had a chance but the Inquisition had to know the extent of the invasion

[wicked epoch]

imagine your one of them

[somber axle]

we regularly are as Vets tbh LOL

[wicked epoch]

a wholeass crowd of poxwalkers and several chaos spawns

[tall torrent]

21st just aren’t tempestus scion+ level

Doesn’t mean they’re bad

[wicked epoch]

as vets yes but not as the normal ass guardsman without any plot armor

they’re alright

[mighty anvil]

my Bistol/Rashad Axe would go crazy

[wicked epoch]

just not good enough

[somber axle]

we're just also rejects so we have some level of plot armour keeping us alive despite most of our outfits lacking any form of protection from all the disease all over the place

it's weird that we just don't get sick and die

we don't have any protection

[dim jolt]

my theory is we're perpetual vets

[wicked epoch]

I guess some of us have respirators

[somber axle]

even the helmets with respirators are mostly broken too

funny steel legion hat lacking filters so it literally does nothing LOL

[thick wolf]

Here is the inquisitor boy

[dim jolt]

we are the main characters

[tall torrent]

Also apparently 21st is not the only stationed loyalist army against the 6th

[wicked epoch]

Literally all of them are just useless

[tall torrent]

Apparently there’s a krieg regiment on Atoma too

[wicked epoch]

Where

Where does it even say that

[tall torrent]

It’s in krieg store bundle pages

[wicked epoch]

what does it even say

i havent seen a krieg bundle in like

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s krieg armor has a regiment number on it

[wicked epoch]

i never have

[tall torrent]

So that regiment can’t be far

[dim jolt]

doesn't it say that the uniform was missing or something?

[somber axle]

isn't that just funny lore that a Krieg regiment was here at some point but doesn't imply that they're currently here?

could be that Grendyl recruited them for the warband

rogue traders do that funny business

yoinking guardsmen who catch their eye

[tall torrent]

No, veteran’s krieg uniform specifically says that this guy got into inquisitorial service for unknown reasons

There’s no chance a random single krieger just so happens to find himself here

Krieg does not operate individually

[wicked epoch]

Maybe that regiment is in the sister hive?

[tall torrent]

Prob

[wicked epoch]

Whats with all this talk on that hive anyway

[tall torrent]

I think the veteran krieg armor’s regiment number is specifically a heavy armor regiment

But we know 21st is in Tertium so that other krieg regiment is prob in sister hive

[wicked epoch]

Tanks in close cqc urban combat

Totally will go well

Those of you who play enlisted know it will not

at all

[somber axle]

FOUND THE LORE

[thick wolf]

OKRENS

[somber axle]

it doesn't seem to mention his regiment being involved at all

just that he's part of Grendyl's warband and it's unknown why

[dim jolt]

hell yeah

[somber axle]

so probably just rogue trader yoinking him because they thought he was cool

LOL

[thick wolf]

Can't get over that his gasmask has no hose

[tall torrent]

It’s the regiment number on his shoulder armor

[thick wolf]

At least a filter would make it look less silly

[tall torrent]

That’s an actual armored krieg regiment in 40k lore

[wicked epoch]

All of them dont have one

[somber axle]

yeah he kept his armour, but his regiment isn't here

[wicked epoch]

Nah itd mean that he’d be immune to gas

[somber axle]

the 21st are the only loyalist regiment shown and even mentioned assisting the inquisition on Atoma

unless they're all at the other hive city

[tall torrent]

It’s not like the Cadian armors in this game where the referenced regiment isn’t represented in lore

[somber axle]

they don't exist

not here at least

at best they might be elsewhere in the Moebian domain and maybe en route to assist? but there's nothing to suggest that either

[thick wolf]

I'd at least like to see inquisition guardsmen in the levels

Even as dead bodies

[wicked epoch]

Arent there corpses?

I wonder if the inquisitorial guardsmen are much better than the 21st

[thick wolf]

Not that I remember seeing inquisition guardsmen as corpses

[tall torrent]

No inquisitorial agents are found in levels besides swagger

[thick wolf]

Oh right, F for the prison guards in the prologue

[tall torrent]

The corpses u find are enforcers/workers/21st

[somber axle]

anyway yeah like playing Rogue Trader showed me that they do just routinely decide they want a Guardsman and say "this one is mine here's the paper that says fuck you I do what I want and the Emperor said it's fine"

[glass pumice]

he could also have been recruited in another war Inquisitors and there Henchman can live long lives and the inquisition has the means of rather fast Warptravel

[wicked epoch]

I wonder

[thick wolf]

That one prison guard with a unique voice and face isn't immune to dying

[dim jolt]

fr lmao finds an elder and space wolf

[somber axle]

one of the primary companions you start with in Rogue Trader tells you he was recruited by the Rogue Trader who met him and said "you're mine" and it didn't matter what the Astra Militarum had to say

he belonged to her

so he went

his officers could be upset but they had no authority to deny her