It could have been something if it didn't get the shitty surgical
#veteran-class
sinful swallow
heavy rover
wait, damage over time helps with breakpoints?
last parcel
1+1
gilded wraith
Gotcha, so a Vrak's Mark 3 would be considered a crit string of 3?
sinful swallow
wait, damage over time helps with breakpoints?
Yeah the bleed is enough to take it over on some targets
sinful swallow
So burn doesn't have any big hit type guns except hellbore, and the mk3 already one shots everything and it's faster to just shoot again with the other 2 than wait for burn
So the argument becomes ammo efficiency on guns that have infinite ammo on builds for it lol
Bolt pistol was an extremely unique case of ammo efficiency on a gun class that reallllyy likes to optimize it and doesn't have much access
heavy rover
interesting
i've been playing this game for how long and yet I'm still learning new things about it lol
tall torrent
1 crit, 2nd crit, that’s it
pseudo pecan
I'm glad I found this game
a fps I'm not sweating worrying about my performance
I can just relax
and play the game
just figured I'd share the sentiment
muted knot
a fps I'm not sweating worrying about my performance
I Wish i could do that but my brain wont let me lol
unique helm
Is there any mods or guides to see if my weapon has good stats ?
fossil basalt
Is there any mods or guides to see if my weapon has good stats ?
you can always post them in here, otherwise inspecting the weapon and hovering over the stat blocks tells you how that stat effects the weapon and you can work from there to find something you like
some weapons have similar dump stats (i.e. stat that can be low) like guns and mobility, usually
others are more niche cases and it really does come down to how you'd like it to play
perks have way less options on average as you'll usually be picking +maniac and whatever your next big healthpool type is
pseudo pecan
I Wish i could do that but my brain wont let me lol
yeah that's me on any cod or anything like that. I can't sit there and just relax and play the game. even if I'm doing good I'm sitting there to myself you gotta be the best, you gotta be the best.
idk if it's my ptsd or what but it fuckin sucks
at least this game I can just sit back and shoot shit
thorn lark
don't ever install the scoreboard mod then
shut tiger
I don't know how to post images It won't let me but there's a 380 in melks on a recon I wanted to post
pseudo pecan
don't ever install the scoreboard mod then
even if it was, this game isn't competitive themed yknow?
it'd just be oh okay
not oh man
like in the others it's like oh I'm not doing double kd
I'm letting the team down
thorn lark
you'll be surprised
uncut pebble
Scoreboard/power di gives you depression like you wouldn't believe.
muted knot
don't ever install the scoreboard mod then
That is where all my Problems come from hahahah
muted knot
I don't know how to post images It won't let me but there's a 380 in melks on a ...
What does it have ?
pseudo pecan
I'm just not able to take this game that serious
sinful swallow
I'm glad I found this game
This game scratches the l4d itch but in Warhammer
thorn lark
I'm just not able to take this game that serious
what difficulty are you playing?
uncut pebble
When you see that you have twice the kills of literally everything that your team does, combined, and you're top damage across the board, every time, it will make your skin crawl.
shut tiger
Well I hope you tell me it's terrible because I don't have enough for it and it's going to restart before I can get enough currency but it's
pseudo fiber
This ain't... terrible
muted knot
When you see that you have twice the kills of literally everything that your tea...
It really isbthat Bad
uncut pebble
I genuinely cannot fathom how people can get less than half of my standard kills in a damnation run.
last parcel
Is there any mods or guides to see if my weapon has good stats ?
there's a vet guide in the pins that mentions which stats are important for most of the weapons, but it's like 5 months out of date
most of it is still pretty good though
pseudo pecan
malice right now is my baseline I've not tried to go harder solo cuz of other randoms
muted knot
This ain't... terrible
It certainly exists
thorn lark
malice right now is my baseline I've not tried to go harder solo cuz of other ra...
what
oh dude, you're missing all the fun
muted knot
malice right now is my baseline I've not tried to go harder solo cuz of other ra...
I recommend you Check Out damnation, its the Most fun difficulty imo
uncut pebble
malice right now is my baseline I've not tried to go harder solo cuz of other ra...
That would be why you can sit back and enjoy it. Malice is the baseline "normal" difficulty.
muted knot
Damnation Runs can get crazy
last parcel
I don't know how to post images It won't let me but there's a 380 in melks on a ...
you need to talk often enough to get a red name
or post it to an image hosting website and link it here
thorn lark
what you are playing is not even remotely ''competitive''
muted knot
Its Not supposed to be tho
shut tiger
you need to talk often enough to get a red name
or post it to an image hosting w...
That makes sense I think I just joined a few days ago
pseudo fiber
you got 7 minutes bro tell us teh stuff
uncut pebble
I view it as "competetive" in the sense that "damn my teammates are bad."
tall torrent
I don't know how to post images It won't let me but there's a 380 in melks on a ...
Just tell me what it has
pseudo pecan
okay the whole game isn't supposed to be competitive, just team play
last parcel
That makes sense I think I just joined a few days ago
you can dm the pic to me and i can post it for you if you want
pseudo pecan
like that's why I like it
muted knot
okay the whole game isn't supposed to be competitive, just team play
Thats why the Scoreboard was scrappex
tall torrent
okay the whole game isn't supposed to be competitive, just team play
It’s more “competing with teammates to see who does better”
But yea it’s not like competitive cod
tall torrent
I'm goin straight for damnation then
If ur super new to the game probably don’t start there lol
shut tiger
Acatran mk vld las
525
Damage 79 ammo 76 collateral 66 mobility 80 stability 79 perk is tier 3 8% range critical hit damage tier 320% damage unyielding enemies level 4 death spitter level 3 punishing salvo
pseudo pecan
not mega new
tall torrent
Acatran mk vld las
525
Damage 79 ammo 76 collateral 66 mobility 80 stability 79 ...
Not great but u could try if u’d like
Swap crit damage to flak/maniac, punishing salvo to headhunter
shut tiger
I can't get it anyway I was premature initially about it because I didn't realize that all the currency is cross character so I thought I had enough but I bought something else for the blessings last night on zealot
muted knot
not mega new
Are you Level 30 with somewhat okay Gear ?
thorn lark
maybe try lo int damn first if you can
the breakpoints in t5 are different
don't do like me and try your first real ever damn in hisg hab dreyko
last parcel
pseudo pecan
Are you Level 30 with somewhat okay Gear ?
yes. I just tried it. with VOC it doesn't seem like it'll be to hard to adjust to. Just need to pay a little more attention and that seems like all my adjustment will be. soon come.
pseudo fiber
God damn I was missing out with the bolter.
unique helm
Should one weapon I’m using be dedicated to hordes while the other for elites like a boltgun for elites and power sword for hordes?
tall torrent
Should one weapon I’m using be dedicated to hordes while the other for elites li...
usually, u want a melee that's good against majority of enemies in the game, and a ranged weapon for killing high priority enemies at a distance
mighty anvil
Best kantreal MG?
uncut pebble
There isn't a "best," the answer is dependent on what you're looking for.
cloud leaf
Best kantreal MG?
The light one is the best
uncut pebble
The mk12 shoots really slowly but packs a punch, you can even 1shot gunners to the face if you build right. The mk1 is the standard of balanced fire rate and damage, and the mk4 is the fastest firing one with the lowest damage (by comparison).
Most people run either the mk1 or mk4.
tall torrent
Best kantreal MG?
1a or 4
1a hits better breakpoints, 4 is higher practical utility
jolly estuary
What curios should I be trying to get for veteran?
muted knot
Toughness toughness health imo
You could also Go toughness toughness wound
Which is what i prefer
Sometimes Shit Happens and you die
pseudo pecan
okay so I did heresy on comms plex 154/2f didn't get downed once, kinda carried at some key moments
overall I'm gonna switch to heresy as my baseline play now
muted knot
If you Run a deadshot build you want to Swap the third Slot for stamina
Oh my i told you to Go damnation didnt i
pseudo pecan
I'm gonna
muted knot
I dont know the difficulties names
I thought you were in 4
But you were in 3 right ?
muted knot
Gotcha
pseudo pecan
did decent
muted knot
Definetly stay on 4 for now
Get a feel for IT and then try 5s
Its Not that much Harder
pseudo pecan
yeah I mainly just needed to pay a little more attention to when ragers are about. actually play my role out a little more
muted knot
yeah I mainly just needed to pay a little more attention to when ragers are abou...
Thats a big one lol
pseudo pecan
voc def made it simpler
muted knot
VoC is best in Slot for a reason
tall torrent
What curios should I be trying to get for veteran?
get >200 health and 20% sniper resist
everything else up to u
muted knot
Gunner res is Always good too
mighty anvil
keep or junk?
tall torrent
keep or junk?
It’s usable
Could be better for sure
That ammo roll sucks
But u should have all breakpoints needed
Swap shattering impact to gloryhunter/blaze away
lyric hedge
What damage should my ranged and melee weapons be doing per difficulty level to keep up?
tall torrent
And see if u can 1 tap gunners in the head with both 5% ranged damage nodes, superiority complex and redirect fire/fire team
tall torrent
What damage should my ranged and melee weapons be doing per difficulty level to ...
What weapons are u using
lyric hedge
shooty gun and stabby sword (jk)
Devil's Claw sword and Mk VII Headhunter
tall torrent
What lvl are u
lyric hedge
30
tall torrent
Vraks 7 should be able to 1~2 headshot gunners & flamers
lyric hedge
I want to pop specials in the head and swing hordes off my back because can't count on other crowd control lol
tall torrent
But it needs very specific builds to get 1 taps going
lyric hedge
Then I will jump into a Heresy and see how many licks it takes to get to the center of a heretic
ty!
tall torrent
Then I will jump into a Heresy and see how many licks it takes to get to the cen...
in heresy the breakpoints are lower so it's easier to build
mystic hull
What melee weapon we pairing with a recon lasgun boys?
mighty anvil
Is there a Bistol skin with a sight>
sinful swallow
Is there a Bistol skin with a sight>
Extended wep customization for PC
fluid steppe
What melee weapon we pairing with a recon lasgun boys?
i like combat knife for recon lasgun build lol
tame lodge
What melee weapon we pairing with a recon lasgun boys?
Anything with decent horde clear
fluid steppe
Graia havn't receive any love since....the begining
fluid steppe
yeah, but the other two still outperforms it
mighty anvil
Extended wep customization for PC
I CAN SEE MY WEAPONS ON MY BACK OMG
fluid steppe
i only use auto gun when i am bored lol, plasma gun still outperform most stuff
fleet thicket
lusty sapphire
i only use auto gun when i am bored lol, plasma gun still outperform most stuff
Of course plasma will outperform them, it's overtuned as fuck lmao
lusty sapphire
62 stability is not too low
Just gotta learn to controll the recoil a bit or get exe stance
fleet thicket
Does anyone know what these recoil values that it has even means ?
It's say it got 2.10 recoil xD
Wtf doss that mean xD
fleet thicket
Just gotta learn to controll the recoil a bit or get exe stance
I love graia on my zealot tbf
On my vet I run agri
lusty sapphire
Wtf doss that mean xD
We are all in the same boat
rigid pilot
2.1 
fluid steppe
fat shark is always infamouse for throwing out random terms without explaination lol
lusty sapphire
it honestly just means "How much does this chunk of metal kick"
thorn lark
fat shark is always infamouse for throwing out random terms without explaination...
IMPACT
thorn lark
also, body mass
rigid pilot
Cleave
rigid pilot
Retroactively yea
thorn lark
and stagger
fleet thicket
But wtf is cleave is the question xD
rigid pilot
But imagine you just bought the game 
rigid pilot
Ah there's the problem
fleet thicket
Then why does it cleave value says it can cleave damage 7.4 enemies xD
lusty sapphire
Cleave interacts with enemy body mass. If weapon cleave more than body mass, it goes through
thorn lark
but you don't know it has a target cap of 4
rigid pilot
Target cap has nothing to do with cleave
thorn lark
Cleave interacts with enemy body mass. If weapon cleave more than body mass, it ...
until target cap for dmg
lusty sapphire
if it reaches the target cap, still goes through and you slap all the subsequent enemies with a wet noodle
thorn lark
stagger can go farther
fleet thicket
Target cap has nothing to do with cleave <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
Target cap I understand you can maximally damage 4 targets no matter what type but then cleave is effected by target you hitting with like groaner got the lowest which is 0.75 then bulwark is like 5 or 6
rigid pilot
Also used to count for crit CDR but alas
lusty sapphire
until target cap for dmg
That's cleave DAMAGE because you see there's cleave targets and cleave dmg
fleet thicket
So when it says it got cleave of 7.2
lusty sapphire
of course
thorn lark
i don't know how someone can know that just by playing casually
thorn lark
That's cleave DAMAGE because you see there's cleave targets and cleave dmg
hmm wdym
rigid pilot
You need to immerse yourself in wizardland
fleet thicket
You say okay devide 7.2/ 0.75= number of groaners you hit
rigid pilot
Get all the arcane knowledge needed to understand this game
fleet thicket
Its basic code man
rigid pilot
The game also doesn't say anything about mass
fleet thicket
Itw just that we don't know wtf they put
In the code
If we could see it
It wouldn't be too hard xD
rigid pilot
I don't think there's even a proper source out there either lmao
Ok fine there's always the aussiemon repos
thorn lark
The game also doesn't say anything about mass
blessings sound like technical specs written for qa and not end users
lusty sapphire
hmm wdym
Cleave just calculates if your weapon goes through targets. Whetever it does dmg or not gets relegated to another completely different stat. Cleave damage. Which distributes the damage of your weapon for each subsequent enemy hit after the first
fleet thicket
Like they completey redesigned wtf was rending
thorn lark
as a prohect manager by trade i would slap them so fucking hard lol
thorn lark
Cleave just calculates if your weapon goes through targets. Whetever it does dmg...
wow, i didn't know that, i assumed it was the same
fleet thicket
Brittleness is just rending applied to target right ?
lusty sapphire
You wish it was that simple
fleet thicket
I dont know if they have broken can opener or not
thorn lark
brittleness is a debuff
fleet thicket
But when I stab a beast or plague ogryn
With 16 stacks of it instantly
They die
really fast
Like I noticed it
My team just ahhilate them
lusty sapphire
That's what it supposed to happen yeah
fleet thicket
But I dont think that's how rending should be working xD
lusty sapphire
But I dont think that's how rending should be working xD
That's exactly how BRITTLENESS works
thorn lark
rending is a personal buff that goes waaay higher than brittleness
fleet thicket
Yeah but shouldn't it havd some cap ? I feel like even with plasma my team is hitting harder
lusty sapphire
Yeah but shouldn't it havd some cap ? I feel like even with plasma my team is h...
It does
16 stacks is only 40%
thorn lark
40%
fleet thicket
Like every weapon starts hitting harder not just the low unyielding damage ones
lusty sapphire
Like every weapon starts hitting harder not just the low unyielding damage ones
Of course they do
You apply a debuff to the boss
fleet thicket
Okay I see TBf applying 40% brigtleness instantly is so insane man
The bosses just melt soo fucking fast
fleet thicket
Not only that for some reason ripper stabs are counted as heavy attacks by game code
So it also applies bleed
You can bayonet a boss to death
lusty sapphire
Not only that for some reason ripper stabs are counted as heavy attacks by game ...
All specials are
fleet thicket
also you do more dmg to monstrosities as an ogryn
Damage Is just night and day also no
lusty sapphire
The bashes too are "heavy"
fleet thicket
Ogryn don't get bonus damage to monstrosity
That's a common misconception they get extra damage against ogryn enemies
fleet thicket
Yeah exactly which is funny
God I miss the days when you could just slap plague ogryn and keep them stun locked xD
thorn lark
That's a common misconception they get extra damage against ogryn enemies
Yeah I checked my bad.
fleet thicket
Hmm
thorn lark
I feel like my burngryn does more than my psyker tbh
fleet thicket
Are you sure about that (
May I introduce you to a achlys stubber gun lugger xD
Wait
This is for boltgun right ?
lusty sapphire
This is for boltgun right ?
The fanning revolver is insane
fleet thicket
Pskyer ranger weapons
lusty sapphire
On single target dmg
lusty sapphire
Can't really kill bosses
They definitely do
fleet thicket
I see okay
I run obscurus on my gun psyker wirh las pistol
Don't ask me why I like obscurus it got buffed and I like it now xD
Ciagv?
Recon 6d?
tall torrent
still not sure why mettle doesn't have internal cooldown
lusty sapphire
Columnus
fleet thicket
Oh okay
thorn lark
Usually when I play bolter, as a zealot or a vet I end up with the most boss dmg
fleet thicket
I thought that revolver got nerfed
fleet thicket
recon is way way way worse than columnus on gunpsyker
I see okay
lusty sapphire
Usually when I play bolter, as a zealot or a vet I end up with the most boss dmg
It has the most mainstream burst with no effort that's why
tall torrent
I see okay
psyker is super crit/finesse orientated and recon has very low finesse so even though it shoots fast & can crit a lot, it's much worse dmg compared to columnus
fleet thicket
Ogryn gun lugger shines when you trying to kill a boss with a shield xD
thorn lark
It has the most mainstream burst with no effort that's why
That's ciag or recon. Bolter you at least need to target the weakpoint during the magdump
tall torrent
chainaxe 4 specifically pretty sure
drowsy aspen
It means you can fight other things that are also coming at you
tall torrent
light spam till shield down
fleet thicket
psyker is super crit/finesse orientated and recon has very low finesse so even t...
I see okay btw you think graia IAG needs a buff ?
lusty sapphire
That's ciag or recon. Bolter you at least need to target the weakpoint during th...
Meh. Aiming at the head for 3 seconds is not that demanding
tall torrent
I think void shield's dmg/hit cap was smth like 850?
fleet thicket
I think its damage compared to the other two is abit low
tall torrent
I see okay btw you think graia IAG needs a buff ?
no, it's fine
it's the 2nd best IAG
drowsy aspen
...With Achlys? Hm.
thorn lark
Meh. Aiming at the head for 3 seconds is not that demanding
Yeah in the psykhanium. In real game you have to manage other threats
fleet thicket
it's the 2nd best IAG
Wish it had finnese of colombus
lusty sapphire
Yeah in the psykhanium. In real game you have to manage other threats
Nah in game too. I never had problem with bosses. You can mag dump any boss after one of their slam attacks. There's enough time
tall torrent
Wish it had finnese of colombus
it kinda does? it just shoots 200rpm slower so dps is notably lower
drowsy aspen
The flexibility aspect is still a virtue I think. Even smaller amounts of burn will do significant damage. That, plus a team you can now help to keep up since you're not having to commit, leads to a very sure kill
fleet thicket
I see okay
I think Columbus IAG is so fucking strong man
I still love my agri though
lusty sapphire
We are arguing purely numbers here
thorn lark
Nah in game too. I never had problem with bosses. You can mag dump any boss afte...
That's your experience. I have been boltering for 1,5k hours. The first magdump is easy yeah. Then you have to chose between going melee or dodge dance while reloading.
I am doing fine. But the conditions are not always ideal
fleet thicket
Also path this weapon with high stability is soo fucking strong man I highly recommend retrying it for your new guide I think it also got faster fire rate than vrak 3 now
tall torrent
I just found out yesterday that ogryn clubs did zero dmg past 3rd target in heavy sweep
tall torrent
Also path this weapon with high stability is soo fucking strong man I highly rec...
it's slower RoF than vraks 3 overall but the roll's pretty good
fleet thicket
I just found out yesterday that ogryn clubs did zero dmg past 3rd target in heav...
Target cap yeah alot of wepaoms have it
tall torrent
Target cap yeah alot of wepaoms have it
karsolas kills 50 pox in 8.7s (starting from no buffs), clubs take like 20+ lmao
fleet thicket
karsolas kills 50 pox in 8.7s (starting from no buffs), clubs take like 20+ lmao
Yes it's unfortunate
But also did you run hay maker with clubs ?
lusty sapphire
I am doing fine. But the conditions are not always ideal
I'm not saying I can dodge 3 trappers and still shoot the boss in the head but usually I have some tools I can use to give me enough space to do it. Kraks, Frags, shout, exestance (stagger/suppression immunity)
tall torrent
But also did you run hay maker with clubs ?
yea, haymaker makes it bearable
fleet thicket
Cuz from what I remember haymaker ignores target cap
thorn lark
karsolas kills 50 pox in 8.7s (starting from no buffs), clubs take like 20+ lmao
Use the kickback for quick and easy horde clearing 😉
fleet thicket
yea, haymaker makes it bearable
They use to be king of cc their slaps use to stun bosses these days I only run the basher on my gun lugger for its easy horde clear
lusty sapphire
That's why it's not necessarily broken but it's a stupid blessing imo
tall torrent
but yea after I realized it literally did zero dmg after 3rd target I pretty much just wrote off clubs entirely
ogryn weapons are so polar
marble mantle
Club fun!
tall torrent
on one end u have karsolas/borovian
thorn lark
I'm not saying I can dodge 3 trappers and still shoot the boss in the head but u...
Oh. We're talking about vet only? Then yeah I agree. It's a bit different with zealot even though the magdump is helped by dance of death.
fleet thicket
but yea after I realized it literally did zero dmg after 3rd target I pretty muc...
Nah don't do that specially the basher man
tall torrent
on the other end u have bully clubs
marble mantle
All ogryn weapon fun! Questionably good but fun!
tall torrent
it's def very insane anti-elite & horde
marble mantle
Except krourk stubber, do not know why is there.
tall torrent
karsolas boss is nowhere as good as rashad tho
lusty sapphire
Oh. We're talking about vet only? Then yeah I agree. It's a bit different with z...
Oh that's a different story. You still have some help for it but it's more about critting in melee.
fleet thicket
on the other end u have bully clubs
Believe it or not bully clubs are still not the worse wepaons that honor goes to the bull butcher currently xD
thorn lark
Karsolas with power + cleave or power + power?
marble mantle
karsolas boss is nowhere as good as rashad tho
Branx better for boss!
thorn lark
I tested both and I still prefer boro...
tall torrent
ah yea makes sense, I had thrust + slaughterer
thrust stacks to 1~2 very easily on karsolas
fleet thicket
Branx better for boss!
Branx is ogryn specialist weapon pal small ones wont understand the great bonk
Borovian got massive issues
marble mantle
Branx is ogryn specialist weapon pal small ones wont understand the great bonk
Do not understand not understanding! Use weapon cause like! Not because weapon best!
lusty sapphire
Borovian got massive issues
Disagree
thorn lark
So achlys pbb + heavy hitter karsolas is your zealogryn build?
tall torrent
Branx better for boss!
it's alr but I still don't vibe with it well
fleet thicket
Doenst have a continous single target combo out of special
While both karsolas and branx
marble mantle
it's alr but I still don't vibe with it well
Is okay! All have opinion!
fleet thicket
Both get both horde clear and single target combos
marble mantle
It make Hug sad! Hug should be able to do most damage to plague Ogryn!
tall torrent
with wrath, yea
without tho, there's a big cleave discrepancy between L/H
thorn lark
What's the PB with boro?
tall torrent
H sweep is like almost 3x the cleave as L sweep
marble mantle
Plague ogryn must learn error of ways!
fleet thicket
Doenst have very good combos i talked to telepot about it l2 should combo into h2
Karsolas is the best one because the other two need some fixes
Borovian needs a legit single target combo
tall torrent
I'll try wrath later
faint beacon
Veterans and Zealots I come bearing very gimmicky and semi-useless news after running a test with Lethal Proximity with Path
fleet thicket
And branx special needs to ignore stagger resistance
thorn lark
Oh that's a different story. You still have some help for it but it's more about...
Yeah. I run taxe / knife / claw as a zealot but mostly taxe rn. So magdump > dash melee > dash > reload of dash again I usually my moto
faint beacon
Veterans and Zealots I come bearing very gimmicky and semi-useless news after ru...
GRENADIER BUILDS ARE BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
lusty sapphire
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/iqGAqYZrwsxo-_dGh/d1337zQV...
HAHAHAHHAHA
marble mantle
And branx special needs to ignore stagger resistance
Is true!
tall torrent
Is it meta? Probably not
Is it funny? Absolutely
marble mantle
Is good combo starter though!
faint beacon
Is it meta? Probably not
Is it funny? Absolutely
And I am absolutely running it
tall torrent
No, what we figured (thx to kuli as well) is that lethal proximity buffs ALL explosion radius
tall torrent
So u can get a funny +50% blast radius on frags
faint beacon
what was it Crusher?
tall torrent
Which translates to x2.25 blast area
Don’t think so
But it makes frag spam significantly funnier
faint beacon
Its possible, better to attempt testing on it but Unsure
tall torrent
Also Ogryn’s +22.5% blast radius talent makes power mauls’ SP blast bigger as well
Didn’t they rework it
tame lodge
Does that mean increased Stun grenade radius 
tall torrent
I heard it was ok post-rework
tall torrent
Does that mean increased Stun grenade radius <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497244442072...
Probably? Idk I don’t have boltpistol on zealot and I’m too broke to roll one
faint beacon
Does that mean increased Stun grenade radius <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497244442072...
Possibly
lusty sapphire
I wouldn't run it over a mk4 krouk even
faint beacon
I really
marble mantle
Also Ogryn’s +22.5% blast radius talent makes power mauls’ SP blast bigger as we...
Did not know this! Is good?
last parcel
i would
tall torrent
Did not know this! Is good?
No cuz Karsolas kinda just exists
marble mantle
No cuz Karsolas kinda just exists
Let me rephrase, is fun?
faint beacon
true
last parcel
no that isnt funny
tall torrent
Let me rephrase, is fun?
Funny, yes
Meta, no
marble mantle
Meta make me 💤
tame lodge
Let me rephrase, is fun?
More Skullcrusher value
faint beacon
Meta make me 💤
Oh yeah this is absolutely not meta, you might have teammates stare at you like you're throwing
till you throw out 4 Grenades that nuke the map
lmao
marble mantle
Meta boring anyway! Use what like!
lusty sapphire
Oh yeah this is absolutely not meta, you might have teammates stare at you like ...
Fun fact. I have inadvertedly used this on my weapon specialist build I just noticed XD
marble mantle
Meta this, meta that, have you ever met-a good time? IS FUNNY YES?
tame lodge
Hehe, time to run Bistol smoke hehe
tall torrent
I’m just saying, having grenades that cover 707m^2 is genuinely not bad
marble mantle
Hehe, time to run Bistol smoke hehe
Have fun! Killing heretics no good if not smiling!
Smile for emperor! He give tools for destruction!
tall torrent
Hehe, time to run Bistol smoke hehe
Not sure if it affects smoke
Cuz it explicitly says “explosion radius”
Idk if smoke is “explosion”
tame lodge
Probably the stagger on pop
last parcel
maybe it affects the smoke penance
faint beacon
Hehe, time to run Bistol smoke hehe
I will send a video if Stunstorm is effected btw
tall torrent
I will send a video if Stunstorm is effected btw
Check if fire nade is affected first
tall torrent
Guess fire nade not affected either
tame lodge
is sadly not effected
it's aight, 8m is already good
faint beacon
<:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107> it's aight, 8m is already good
I also regret to inform
Fire isn't either
tall torrent
Grenade tinkerer + demo stockpile + twinned blast + demo team + grenadier + lethal prox + rending
Ur melee & ranged might suck but ur grenades surely don’t
marble mantle
Grenade tinkerer + demo stockpile + twinned blast + demo team + grenadier + leth...
Long as BIG BOOM!
tall torrent
Bro took 1 look at 707m^2 frag blast radius and said “real shit”
marble mantle
Ogryn approved! 
tame lodge
Fire isn't either
Damn, vet exclusive, might as well start the theory that it is intentional
faint beacon
Damn, vet exclusive, might as well start the theory that it is intentional
Possibly, though is there anything explosive that can be used on Zealot?
marble mantle
farg
tall torrent
Fair
last parcel
farg
faint beacon
Okay so LP is shit by itself right
tame lodge
Possibly, though is there anything explosive that can be used on Zealot?
Barrels , although there's a chance that they won't interact with the blessing
tall torrent
Okay so LP is shit by itself right
Yea if u don’t run frag it’s not worth it
faint beacon
Im noticing it can be useful for probably dealing with Gunner groups cause holy fuck its stagger radius is noticeable
Ehhhh Mediocre all around
still using it though
1.1k hours in I crave gimmicky builds
tame lodge
Yes sir
last parcel
faint beacon
I wonder
If it even effects Kraks
I know it wont with smoke minus staggering enemies but like who the fuck cares
tall torrent
Should, but not worth it
tall torrent
Krak’s main damage is only 2m radius
marble mantle
Why Ogryn not get BIG axe?
Ogryn get big shovel!
Yes! But not tiny sah axe. Big axe!
Tiny axe look silly in big hands!
Mmmmmmm
Hug like
Hug also want thunder fist.
Do not have game! Do you have clip?
faint beacon
Alright lets see how this dumb build handles Auric QP
Immediately lagged into an overhead
last parcel
gilded wraith
Late to the party, but would puncture on the bolt pistol gain you anything with the frags?
faint beacon
Late to the party, but would puncture on the bolt pistol gain you anything with ...
For Psyker yes
with the-
wait you have a good point
Anyways Assail procs bleed with Puncture
No it sadly doesn't effect shredders
Caps at 6 Stacks of Bleed
and thats the normal Stack of a Shredder anyway
gilded wraith
Thanks for testing it out.
rigid pilot
You can download the press version too?
pseudo pecan
let me ss the one I rolled and send it
austere mica
so is either accatran recon gun worth it?
All three recons are in a much better place and have more well defined niches now
pseudo pecan
I need to get me a good one then. here's the graia
pseudo pecan
yeah I'll have to see what I got.
tough tiger
dumdum, fire frenzy
stripped down also works if u like to run laps around gunner packs
thorn lark
deathspitter > ff imho
mighty anvil
How can I make this better
thorn lark
agree
austere mica
If you really need one swap terrifying barrage for dum dum and sprint efficiency for flak
Or do the funny like they suggest
+11 stamina stripped down
Ball
last parcel
+1 from the node below confirmed kill
idle pecan
Does braced graia fire faster than the columnus
thorn lark
no
idle pecan
Does anything excluding recons fire faster?
thorn lark
graia braced is high
pseudo pecan
got a columnus with 79 damage and 80 stopping power so I'd say I'm pretty set for that
idle pecan
What are the other stats?
thorn lark
got a columnus with 79 damage and 80 stopping power so I'd say I'm pretty set fo...
so have you tried damnation?
faint beacon
We did a test run with the LP + Shredder Build
pseudo pecan
the ammo is at 76 and the only dumpy one is the stability which is at 54%
faint beacon
For a joke build it did well
idle pecan
Good
idle pecan
That's fine
pseudo pecan
not gonna be sprinting round everywhere
idle pecan
Mobility affects how many dodges too
thorn lark
mobility is excellent on ciag, so 64% is still zoom zoom territory
idle pecan
.yaas
pseudo pecan
so have you tried damnation?
yes. not sense the adjustment though. I need to consecrate this new gun to get it built up better then I will dive right into it
idle pecan
I have one with all 70+ excluding the stability
Stability on ciag is irrelevant just pull down
idle pecan
It mostly affects the recoil
pseudo pecan
ohh which is kinda negligible
thorn lark
not sense the adjustment though > wdym?
idle pecan
But with the ciag just pull down until the recoil tops out
pseudo pecan
not sense the adjustment though > wdym?
like getting used to higher enemy attentiveness
austere mica
The most impact stability has on Iags is your gun flying off the rails when you pull the trigger
idle pecan
Once the recoil tops out it's basically no recoil
About halfway thru the mag or so
It's so nice
idle pecan
The most impact stability has on Iags is your gun flying off the rails when you ...
Just pull down tbh
idle pecan
Iyee
austere mica
With my Ciag I am for a gunners chest and go straight up to the head
The gun is fucking gross so I don’t use it very often though
idle pecan
Ive used my ciag so much that I can just beam things regardless of the recoil
Muzzle flash is what fucks me up
Shit is like a flashbang
last parcel
give us flash hiders
mighty anvil
Being able to put a sight on your weapon is so nice
thorn lark
Ive used my ciag so much that I can just beam things regardless of the recoil
this is how i cope with bolter
idle pecan
Dc4?
austere mica
Devils claw
austere mica
I ❤️ devils claw 4
idle pecan
Rest in piss
austere mica
Mine has +25% unyielding stuck on it so I just ash baby bosses if I parry well
sinful swallow
I wish it wasn't worthless against crushers
idle pecan
I'm considering switching to a knife on my ciag build
last parcel
I wish it wasn't worthless against crushers
just give vet fury of the faithful
austere mica
I wish it wasn't worthless against crushers
Why I run Agri revolver
Got a crusher problem? Not after 5 rounds
rigid pilot
The other 7 crushers
austere mica
Yeah that’s where it gets a bit sticky
rigid pilot
Esp when they overlap and you can't get headshots
austere mica
Infiltrate helps but crushers with that build is just panic and try to get space to reload
idle pecan
Tf points from a smoke?
austere mica
You get about one point because you aren’t routing through kraks
They would be fantastic on that build but I actually like smokes a lot
Favorite vet grenade now
idle pecan
Smokes don't save me
rigid pilot
True
idle pecan
No damage, just stagger
rigid pilot
They need more things that generate smoke
idle pecan
Would be amazing utility
austere mica
I like that I can hold 3 psyker shields that can’t break early and fuck with specialist targeting
idle pecan
Save teammates who are pinned and easy resses
rigid pilot
Imagine a stubber blessing that creates smoke after firing for 5 seconds
austere mica
Zealot chat
last parcel
mighty anvil
is damage the dump stat
idle pecan
mighty anvil
but is it viable though O_O
last parcel
but is it viable though O_O
define viable
mighty anvil
How can i improve this i'm thinking swap crit chance for flak?
thorn lark
this is peak
thorn lark
is damage the dump stat
unless it's purgatus or flamer, it never is
thorn lark
How can i improve this i'm thinking swap crit chance for flak?
ss to wrath
last parcel
unless you do the push attack -> (heavy -> light) thing
thorn lark
it's not a mk4, you will need wrath to proce rampage reliably
last parcel
in which case you're a daemon and please follow me
thorn lark
unless you do the push attack -> (heavy -> light) thing
sounds like og evis before the rework lol
earnest bone
that indeed looks like evis mk2
thorn lark
i would go crit chance to flak and ss to wrath
last parcel
now that i think about it, it sounds a lot like branx
thorn lark
that indeed looks like evis mk2
apparently they reworked something on the mk13 but i don't know if that changes the combos
thorn lark
now that i think about it, it sounds a lot like branx <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
it is also a taxe classic
pa + h1
last parcel
it is also a taxe classic
i commit tax evasion so i wouldn't know
mighty anvil
wait for the mk13 there are no combos for horde clear its just spamm lights?
earnest bone
apparently they reworked something on the mk13 but i don't know if that changes ...
im sure it doesnt matter as you can just bruteforce your way with lights
mighty anvil
wahts that mod called
thorn lark
wait for the mk13 there are no combos for horde clear its just spamm lights?
rampage + wrath / shred + wrath, yeah
earnest bone
scoreboard + scoreboard damage
thorn lark
im sure it doesnt matter as you can just bruteforce your way with lights
looks like your taxe scoreboard
earnest bone
looks like your taxe scoreboard
looks like my generic scoreboard as i play solo aurics
sad life
of solo q
thorn lark
you have 3 people keeping you company tho
earnest bone
but the other day i (think) i got a 3ppl premade and everyone was at 600k average
sometimes miracles happen
thorn lark
that scoreboard was on vet?
earnest bone
nope, on zealot, but overall should be the same
just a bit less attack speed for stronger hits
thorn lark
you went martyr?
earnest bone
nah that was piety
tame lodge
apparently they reworked something on the mk13 but i don't know if that changes ...
They linked the h3 into l3
earnest bone
They linked the h3 into l3
hmm
you can loop l3 -> h3 nonstop
but not sure how effective that is
last parcel
but not sure how effective that is
it lets you proc savage sweep/rampage on bruisers without needing to do a stupid (heavy light light light) loop
thorn lark
lights are so fast that i find it hard to do h3 reliably...
thorn lark
usually, when i use combo heavy weapons, it's fine in the psykh but as soon as i am in a mission it's like: fuck it, imma spam
last parcel
relatable
thorn lark
i fumble the l1 h2 on dc4 all the time
last parcel
i see that overhead and sigh
thorn lark
ikr
faint beacon
Just made this in honor of me outdamaging path by using the LP Shredder Build
last parcel
"hoLy shit"
- captain wolfer
faint beacon
Just made this in honor of me outdamaging path by using the LP Shredder Build
Fixed
last parcel
we need lethal proximity for shredder auto pistol for even more shred
earnest bone
is there a good no-keynode onslaught build for Vld lasgun?
i cant find the right balance
want to take too many stuff
last parcel
haha too poor
earnest bone
when is #3 vet talent tree redesign
last parcel
rigid pilot
pseudo pecan
I got one more consecration, hopefully it's not something stupid. I got raking fire which if I had the blessing I woulda changed it out, but with the way I've been playing, I've been shooting ragers off enemies anyways so it works out
I run around everything so often I might as well
so I stuck with setting it up with flakiac
just to be safe
mighty anvil
How can I make this better
earnest bone
you cant
crude fiber
How can I make this better
stamina to flak/maniac, sustained fire to dumdum/headhunter
pseudo pecan
not until crafting rework
what's the rework?
earnest bone
what's the rework?
rework will allow you to change blessings and perks without limits
pseudo pecan
hell yeah
earnest bone
SoonTM
mighty anvil
rework will allow you to change blessings and perks without limits
you can change all 4????
crude fiber
i thought they still had locks but could upgrade everything to 380?
mighty anvil
imagine the world where you can change all 4
What the fuck will we grind for? just 380 bases?
earnest bone
i thought they still had locks but could upgrade everything to 380?
that upgrade system is still questionable until they release the final version
pseudo pecan
I wonder if there will be some sort of exponential cost of change based on how many you have
earnest bone
What the fuck will we grind for? just 380 bases?
There's a new system for base stats upgrades from like 340 (example), but i'm not sure if it goes all to 380
last parcel
i thought they still had locks but could upgrade everything to 380?
we’re assuming this is still true
#📢news-bulletin message
earnest bone
either way crafting update looks like the best change ever
less RNG casino, especially for blessings for new players
crude fiber
will be nice to only need one of every weapon if thats how they do things
what a clean and organized inventory ill have
last parcel
nah im gonna leave it cluttered so i crash whenever i look at it
crude fiber
ohh maybe we can upgrade curios so we wont have fake 3 stams anymore
mighty anvil
ughh i have to farm for curios why did you remind me...
pseudo pecan
I think I got + 1 wound and two +20% healthers. running stamina refresh and sprint efficiency
I need to do some damage reduc really
crude fiber
those stack multiplicatively so id recommend not stack them and only for things you notice you get hit my a lot. gunners is a good one
earnest bone
since vet is my alt, i just stacked x3 of these
and forgot about it
i would like to check 45% corruption resistance maybe after rework
pseudo pecan
crazy. I'll need to build up the shredder I got. found a profane sitting at 372
crude fiber
crazy. I'll need to build up the shredder I got. found a profane sitting at 372
i think theyre talking about shredder grenade spam, not the weapon lol
pseudo pecan
oh lmao
mighty anvil
sigh i guess its time to try the build
crude fiber
normalize eating all 4 charges of field improv to toss grenades at shit
I'll leave that to the enhanced blitz nuke ogryn
uncut pebble
You're willingly choosing infernus and not something more useful like headhunter?
rigid pilot
Here we go again
uncut pebble
No I mean, to each their own, that just seems wild.
winter grove
I'd say get HH instead of DumDum
You have no way of getting more infernus stacks
And @somber axle did say infernus mk6 recon fucks
Don't listen to frogcast for the love of god tho
earnest bone
so far it feels downright broken, but im a bit busy rn, gonna do some live tests a few hours later
winter grove
That's good still
If you'll find dumdum infernus more comfortable then go ahead
DumDum HH tho is more of a Mk7 thing
earnest bone
speaking of infernus, since the value is mostly on fat enemies, it still stacks nicely
uncut pebble
Don't listen to frogcast for the love of god tho <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
I mean, it's exactly as you said, there's no way to get more infernus stacks. Maybe, if your opinion is the same, you shouldn't say things like this.
That's quite rude and there isn't really a reason for it because I didn't say anything outlandish.
winter grove
I mean, it's exactly as *you* said, there's no way to get more infernus stacks. ...
Discord reading comprehension is silly I forgot about that fact
So I am gonna get on my way to explain the simple sentence so even you understand
Infernus + no additional crit chance = bad
Infernus + additional crit chance (headhunter) = good
uncut pebble
Uh huh. Which is why I was suggesting he change it so something else.
winter grove
Me like rock
uncut pebble
So, again, we are in agreement that infernus without headhunter is bad.
winter grove
"Change infernus to HH"
uncut pebble
You're just being an ass about it.
Yes, because what else would go there?
Deathspitter?
winter grove
Change dumdum to infernus
🎉
And do headhunter along with it
Sounds like a great idea innit
uncut pebble
I think you might be confusing yourself at this point.
Either way, don't throw shade if you have the exact same opinion as someone.
That doesn't look good.
winter grove
Either way, don't throw shade if you have the exact same opinion as someone.
Are you delusional
Asking for a friend
It's a simple yes or no question
uncut pebble
No? I suggested changing infernus to something beneficial, such as headhunter, because infernus is, 1) not exactly a useful perk if you instantly kill whatever you point your weapon at anyway, and 2) he doesn't have headhunter as his other blessing to begin with, so he wouldn't be benefitting from having infernus anyway.
winter grove
What are you typing
uncut pebble
You suggested changing dumdum to headhunter to take advantage of infernus. Either way, we are in agreement that you need headhunter with infernus or it isn't worth having on your weapon.
winter grove
No? I suggested changing infernus to something beneficial, such as headhunter, b...
Infernus is a useful blessing that allows you to melt bosses and whatnot
uncut pebble
Gonna take your words from you for a sec...
winter grove
Making it better with a headhunter is a great idea
uncut pebble
"Discord reading comprehension is silly I forgot about that fact."
Note the "if you instantly kill whatever you point your weapon at anyway" part.
winter grove
You're talking about recon mk6 of all things
uncut pebble
The only things its worth using on are things that dont instantly (or basically instantly) die.
So, maulers, crushers, and bosses.
earnest bone
Look at it from my perspective
10% CH base + 25% proc
Even 10% was enough to stacks on ogryns/crushers/maulers to my tastes, also this is onslaught machine
uncut pebble
Yeah, that's another thing... Why would you bother going into a crit build on a mk6 when onslaught exists?
winter grove
Look at it from my perspective
10% CH base + 25% proc
Even 10% was enough to s...
Did say if you're comfortable with Infernus and DumDum then go for it
Infernus on mk6 fucks
uncut pebble
If you were using a mk2 or mk7, I could understand, but onslaught just trivializes using that weapon.
Not saying you're wrong for using that, I am sticking with what I said earlier, to each their own.
winter grove
Truly
winter grove
Mg12 still gotta get that buff tho
earnest bone
winter grove
If you were using a mk2 or mk7, I could understand, but onslaught just trivializ...
If you really wanna get technical about Recons talk to @somber axle and he'll probably tell you that you're wrong just like I did
uncut pebble
Uh huh.
winter grove
I said what is good and said that alterations are good
uncut pebble
Sure. Whatever you say.
winter grove
And what you said was a worse choice
winter grove
And I don't even need to prove that, you being wrong is an axiom
uncut pebble
🤓
earnest bone
this makes a nice meme material
infernus to the knee
then die from PTSD 410 per tick
rigid pilot
Foot
earnest bone
winter grove
then die from PTSD 410 per tick
Told ya
wicked epoch
any good?
I have a choice to replace falter with deadly accurate III or infernus IV
whats the choice to make here gents
wicked epoch
what would the choice be
rigid pilot
Salvage for blessing
hollow warren
You don't own Falter t4 tho
pseudo pecan
Blessing for the blessing update
earn all blessings time
pseudo pecan
pretty comfy playing heresy although I find it easier with the special conditions that make it "harder"?
viscid sparrow
btw, is the stealth ult a good idea on a CIAG build? if it is, should I take one of the augemtns or none at all? (I am thinking of either the TDR after leaving stealth for general purpose, or the extra dmg after leaving stealth for even more dmg vs monsters)
austere mica
The node you want to take with infiltrate is generally Low Profile, as it heavily improves the primary use case of vet stealth
It’s also just outright better than the TDR one as well
viscid sparrow
ok, but what about the extra dmg node for infiltrate?
austere mica
I guess you could take it but you could probably spend that better elsewhere
pseudo pecan
I got deathspitter as my second blessing, which is definitely better than what it could've been lmao. it also could've been better, but with it can make a good boss gun with raking fire in my opinion.
or you could call it the kill stealing gun lmao.
viscid sparrow
I guess you could take it but you could probably spend that better elsewhere
I mean, I already have both Close Killzone and Marksman, as well as the Tagging keystone with the toughness/stam node (I cannot afford to take the dmg bonus node of Tagging keystone alongside it)
austere mica
Just send your tree here and I can give a suggestion on where to put it
viscid sparrow
Just send your tree here and I can give a suggestion on where to put it
no need for that, I already have made up my mind on the build, I just wanted to know the optimal infiltrate node...
hearty panther
yea the damage node is kinda mid and your talent points are way too valuable
pseudo pecan
yknow this raking fire deathspitter build isn't that bad
hearty panther
its only 5s of (at least global) damage on your 45s ult. It's not great uptime sadly.
hard cave
grand perch
fleet thicket
Guys
if heavy swords come to
our class
how strong its gonna be?
cuz i have feeling its coming
along side dueling sword
earnest bone
how strong its gonna be?
a worse version of power sword
hsword cant do a thing against unyelding or carapace
the damage is beyond terrible
but its strong against everything else
however, if they nerf brutal momentum(death blow) with blessing rebalance, hsword will be a bit worse (Rampage is usable, but worse)
earnest bone
Told ya
23 minutes, dam auric lights out (im kinda doing the penances)
its downright disgusting, i love it
i'l see how far it goes
earnest bone
umbral scaffold
good morning, what perks should i throw on a viia recon lasgun? flak and maniac maybe?
pseudo fiber
Crit chance too
earnest bone
good morning, what perks should i throw on a viia recon lasgun? flak and maniac ...
depends on what things you hate the most and what your melee weapons can kill (and your blessings)
- flak/maniac
- maniac/critchance
- maniac/melee elites
umbral scaffold
i hate maniacs : )
earnest bone
somber axle
If you really wanna get technical about Recons talk to <@164192519465205760> and...
Infernus is ok on the Recon Mk VId. It's a bit less DPS at most ranges compared to Dum Dum but it is objectively better than most of the other blessings in most situations especially when it comes to burning Crushers and bosses down
I'd still recommend Dum Dum for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa but having Infernus is not a bricked Recon regardless of variant
Onslaught is funny for Crusher burning and helps slightly vs Maulers (especially if you are aiming heads for Headhunter crit stacking and want to get comparable DPS/TTK but more consistent crits and better ammo efficiency per Mauler with Headhunter)
Don't do Infernus and Dum Dum unless you're a Psyker with Scriers Gaze and True Aim. Vet doesn't have a reliable way of forcing crits otherwise
Vet base crit is 5% and even assuming you get the 5% crit talent node AND the 5% crit chance perk on weapon (meaning you sacrifice Flak, Maniac, Carapace or Unyielding for that extra crit) then you're still just sitting at 15% crit and banking on that piddly crit chance getting you consistent Infernus stacks built is very questionable on Vet
You leave the RNG stacked too heavily against you and now the increased fire rate of the Recon Mk VId post Secrets of the Machine God buffs mean Deadshot is borderline impossible to use effectively on it now so it really does rely more on Headhunter if you want to get any consistency from Infernus/Shock Trooper
earnest bone
I'm kinda fine with Dumdum + Infernus, tho Headhunter would be definitely be a good one for more ammo economy. (especially with 500+ weakspots hits per match)
I want to replace Unyelding with Maniac as the damage is over the top, Ogryns are deleted within 1.5 seconds, would to bump Maniac damage.
And now i want to build VIIa
slow spade
It makes it easy to tell if the recon user will be useful at least
Headhunter? Useful
No headhunter? Useless
somber axle
It's hard to tell if a Recon user will be ok or not based off of pre-game lobby weapon checking tbh
A lot of Vets newer to using Recons spray at hordes and vacuum up ammo tins and packs
Diet Gunlugger Ogryn era has begun LOL
Headhunter + Shock Trooper at least means they're a bit more ammo conscious though
hearty panther
I dunno how that's the conclusion tbh. Here's how I conclude it:
20 rounds per second
10% chance to crit at minimum (probably)
You're pretty much guaranteed a crit in a one second salvo (20 rounds) and you are very likely to crit in a short burst (say 10 rounds but you'll probably overshoot that number)
Anything not already dead in those ten rounds didn't need the crit or burn anyway.
somber axle
If I see a Recon Mk VIIa user and they start the match unloading unto poxwalkers I start beelining chests to find an ammo crate ASAP because I will need to keep it ready just in case. Ammo goblins are rampant now LOL
hearty panther
Yeah I still haven't seen any particularly great results with the 7a sadly.
It's just too expensive.
somber axle
I dunno how that's the conclusion tbh. Here's how I conclude it:
20 rounds per s...
Statistically you would crit once in 20 shots if you have 5% crit chance which is the bare minimum of Vet base crit chance without the 5% crit talent node or the 5% crit weapon perk, no Headhunter and no Deadshot
hearty panther
ye
somber axle
One Infernus burn, even accounting for crit string of 2, means you didn't even cap stacks on the one target you did crit against
hearty panther
You're trying to maximize the crit uptime instead of looking at when it would be relevant most often is the thing.
somber axle
You can do funny Deadshot + Target Down memes on the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa still and it works well if you know how to stamina juggle and enjoy the playstyle but given the changes to Marksman's Focus duration uptime I am enjoying MF + CitA and Rending Strikes builds with the II and VIIa more
somber axle
You're trying to maximize the crit uptime instead of looking at when it would be...
I mean yeah for bosses and Crushers where the damage will be impactful you will not crit enough to actually see that impact
And you will also find it very unlikely to get a lucky crit spray on a hound as it runs around a corner so no Infernus there
It's praying to RNG to let you be lucky
If you find 5-10% crit chance is enough then please do not come to Vegas we will take all your money from you
earnest bone
If I see a Recon Mk VIIa user and they start the match unloading unto poxwalkers...
Speaking of VIIa, Infernus feels really weak/not needed, it packs a really strong punch, the 2nd blessing after Dumdum is Headhunter?
hearty panther
I mean I basically never shoot hounds so that's pretty moot for me. Other than hound waves but that's much squishier.
earnest bone
i just build this and it slaps
somber axle
Speaking of VIIa, Infernus feels really weak/not needed, it packs a really stron...
Yes Headhunter + Dum Dum is the best blessing combo on the VIIa imo
earnest bone
somber axle
You could do Deathspitter + Dum Dum but the slightly higher damage isn't worth imo for the loss of damage and the loss of synergy with Shock Trooper for just aiming heads consistently
hearty panther
'cause again the 6 mostly overkills targets that aren't taggables, so shooters are down in less than a 10 round burst, meaning you would need impeccable trigger control to not overkill targets and you would need absurd crit uptime to be reliably sure of your results with each trigger pull based on crits.
hearty panther
Anything else takes closer to 20+ rounds and at that point a single crit gets you the infernus stacks you need anyway.
Dumdum is basically stacked by default with a single trigger squeeze on the 6 so there's no resaon to ever not run it.
somber axle
I think it's more about synergy with Infernus tbh. Headhunter not only improves overall damage and ammo efficiency through Shock Trooper but it makes Infernus proc more often to see more of a return on that blessing. Without Headhunter you will very rarely get consistent burns on targets you want it on
Generally Dum Dum will be better and more consistent damage though
Dum Dum and Infernus confuse me though
hearty panther
Dumdum will always be the best option. So it's a question of what you want second, and I don't care for Shocktrooper.
somber axle
They just do not work well together unless someone is looking for the stars to align
At that point just go Deathspitter instead and save yourself the RNG headache
hearty panther
There are occasions where I burst a fat group of reapers, swap back to melee, then swap back to the Recon and Dumdum is already stacked up from the infernus I had left on them
frank ether
Sustained Fire and Punishing Salvo are pretty weak
I think its a byproduct of autogun meta shifting more and more into bullet spam over the years as opposed to precise aim
civic knot
is there any way to remove the insane disorienting screen bobbing of shooting the double barreled shotgun when not aiming in? it there something to change in the game files or is there a mod to reduce/remove it?
frank ether
like we had a few patches that increased their mag capacity, overall dps and all that
I guess this goes double for recons
and when you have something like dumdum the choice is obvious
I think I will catch some flak for saying this
but something like dumdum probably shouldn't exist
It feels like one of those blessings that might aswell be baseline at this point
frank ether
'cause again the 6 mostly overkills targets that aren't taggables, so shooters a...
It needs a lot of trigger discipline to not siphon all the ammo yeah, but in a way it adds some skill ceiling to the gun I suppose? I don't see it as a bad thing
earnest bone
but something like dumdum probably shouldn't exist
The problem isnt dumdum, but the other blessings being bad
this way you either makes all blessings utility ONLY (no damage increase or something that lead to damage increase) or
make all of them crazy good and viable
so the players drool over on what to pick
but that's a bit too late for that (making blessings about utility), unless they go and rebalance an entire game, which wouldn't happen
frank ether
The problem isnt dumdum, but the other blessings being bad
dumdum is a straight dps upgrade for firing your weapon
like what was it? %30 something?
frank ether
how will you make other blessings compete with that?
A lot of them are very conditional and thats probably how damage blessings should be
They could do it like you said but that sounds like crazy effort to me
earnest bone
Well, let's look at the Laspistol
frank ether
easier thing is to just not make blessings like dumdum to begin with
earnest bone
there's literally only 3 things you can use
dumdum, infernus and raking fire, not sure about run'n'gun
somber axle
They really need to rework a lot of the bad blessings in this game tbh
earnest bone
yeah
frank ether
ghost makes you unkillable on psyker
somber axle
Fingers crossed that's the plan for the crafting update and why it was delayed
frank ether
I dont think thats very balanced either
somber axle
There are just too many blessings that either do too little or just actually do nothing at all like Falter on Helbores
earnest bone
tbh i only expect Brutal Momentum/Deathblow nerf from that update and maybe a buff for Cleave on crit on melee (blessing)
if they wont buff cleave on crit, it's a lost cause
Because current blessing is = 2 stacks of Wrath, cleave on crit is garbage
frank ether
nerfing BM is meaningless if there are baseline buffs to said weapons that have it
its all down to the context
right now BM is like a must have for any weapon that has it and changing that would be good, I love BM but any weapon that has it, it becomes mandatory to have it.
somber axle
Uncanny and Bromentum are both too good LOL
earnest bone
oh wait uncanny too
frank ether
Cleave is probably the single most important stat in this entire game
somber axle
I think Knife is weirdly one of the most balanced for blessings though. Most of the blessings on it work well one way or another outside of like... Lacerate LOL
earnest bone
80% that uncanny will not survive either
frank ether
and so that should make it obvious as to why BM being what it is has some issues if the goal is to have a crafting system with multiple viable choices
frank ether
80% that uncanny will not survive either
thats good tbh
frank ether
Its a silly amount of rending
if your weapon needs certain ADMs it should just have it
earnest bone
knife users will survive
frank ether
like what I hate the most about rending is
stray stream
Ok i tried the plasma gun and I’m terrible.
It’s like, i shoot too early, too often or too late.
And let’s not talk about my aim. Awful.
Worst part is, i dunno how to improve myself. I m not bad at all with a columnus, a lucius or even a vrak mk VII.
But the plasma gun. Yeek.
I don’t even know how some dudes can snipe a sniper from 50m in like 2 secs
earnest bone
pretty much
frank ether
I dont like that flak/carapace has no meaning
earnest bone
then you add your damage bonuses on top
frank ether
flak gunners at this point die faster than unarmored ones
its really silly state of things
pseudo pecan
first real damnation run. went down 3 times
I'd say even if I sucked, it could've been worse
a lot worse
I just got slaughterer on my power sword. it also has rampage
pretty excited bout it
gilded wraith
Power Cycler 4, Sunder, and BM. will be the blessings to look out for.
pseudo pecan
yeah but for now
itll do great in a pinch especially with weapon specialist activated
somber axle
Tbh I'd love if nerfs to rending made Crushers more of a threat
Crusher pain trains evaporate whenever an Auric team sees them
The 12 Dreg Ragers are more of a threat than the 8 Crushers tbh
fluid escarp
Rending nerfs wont do anything vs crushers
You still 2 tap them with a good precision weapon