veteran-class

[thick wolf]

vraks headhunter

[quiet valley]

You can go Uncanny Precog or Uncanny Mercy Killer if you like the Serrated Blade on vet tree

Infested to Flak

[idle pecan]

so is it a very good knife?

[quiet valley]

its pretty good!

[slow spade]

Bad knife, you should give it to me

[plain escarp]

Ayo how did I get this

[pseudo fiber]

Path of redemption

The thing at hestia

[lyric dock]

You're free from the curse of Crab walk

[midnight totem]

The crab walk is a part of you

[misty lintel]

Hey I have a question. Consecrated a curio to Transcendent and it locked the third perk (it wasn’t there before), is this normal?

[last parcel]

locks appear after you’ve changed two things

so did you already edit the first two perks

[misty lintel]

Ohhhhh

Yes, yes I did

Why though? That doesn’t happen with my guns typically though I just get the max of whatever perk is on there, I don’t outright change it

[radiant chasm]

that's changing

you can only change 2/4, 2/3 on curios. perks and blessings

[lusty sapphire]

It does

You change 2 things on an item and it locks the rest

[terse idol]

It's not gonna be that bad and I'd say definetly keep it

Because the itemization update will eventually remove those locks

[lusty shuttle]

is punishing salvo/sustained fire usable?

[steel lagoon]

@tall torrent going to add your vet guide to the new guides section of the official forum?

[lusty shuttle]

I just dont see how it can compete with deathspitter and dumdum

[hearty panther]

Depends on the weapon. Depends on how you use it.

Dumdum is deffo too good to replace but Deathspitter (even with close range buffs) is only applicable sometimes.

I've got SusFire on my Recon II since I mostly only take it out to drop one or two key targets at a time and then swap back to melee.

SusFire is always available when you draw your gun back out so it has much higher uptime for me when used this way.

[thick wolf]

unfortunately

all that's left is the karking weapon specialist penance

[last parcel]

oh good so it’s smooth sailing from here

[lusty shuttle]

Gotcha, Im just talking about in terms of total dps, it doesnt seem that reliable

[thick wolf]

and my weapon specialsit is stuck to a shotgunner/knife stealth vet build

it also didn't help that there's no specific hitmarker if you kill an elite/specialist with a crit weakspot hit

[hearty panther]

Yeah, same answer really. Depends what you're doing.

[lusty shuttle]

Im talking about best DPS possible in most situations

I dont like niche use

[hearty panther]

If you are emptying a magazine in one go, SusFire is pretty bad. If you are pacing the mag out, SusFire is superior.

[lusty shuttle]

but I think Id like to try it out with weapon specialist and doing swaps with small bursts to see how it does

[last parcel]

3 stacks of weapon specialist and the first shot is a guaranteed crit so you just need to make sure you hit the head

[hearty panther]

Guns all have their own timing for SusFire reset so you gotta feel it out for yourself.

[thick wolf]

do crit melee weakspots hit count for the penance

[lusty shuttle]

couldnt I just swap to melee and back?

itd be guarenteed at that point right?

[last parcel]

yes

[last parcel]

it’s also slow when you’re trying to engage multiple targets at once but yeah

[hearty panther]

Yes, so drawtime becomes a consideration.

[lusty shuttle]

even then stopping to burst just doesnt seem practical

[hearty panther]

In my case I'm pretty much always dick deep in melee. The gun is to kill gunners or shooters that are just out of reach behind my current melee target.

[lusty shuttle]

guess Ill just replace it with stripped down

[lusty shuttle]

would you mind linking your build?

I like analyzing stuff and also experimenting from time to time

[hearty panther]

Oh and SusFire is actually 20% damage for shots 2, 3, and 4, not just 3 and 4. For whatever that's worth.

Ye once I'm home away from da rain

[last parcel]

it’s a coinflip whether tooltips are accurate or not

[lusty shuttle]

well thats annoying

but that means that its actually better

would love if information was portrayed correctly in this game

[last parcel]

yeah

[lusty shuttle]

debating on using this with an IAG

got deathspitter/dumdum on it

if I have a swappable blessing, Ill probably use stripped down for high intentisy shock troop

[lusty sapphire]

Wasn't it second and third?

[lusty shuttle]

idk thats just what the gameslantern site says

[hearty panther]

It used to be 2nd and 3rd, now it says 3rd and 4th but its 2nd, 3rd, and 4th

Standard ass build tbh

[lusty sapphire]

I second this build

[hearty panther]

Elysian Droppooper, Recon II Dumdum SusFire and CKnife Fleshtearer and w/e dodge blessing gives the crit

Riposte or Precog I constantly confuse them

[lusty shuttle]

I dont like going right in the beginning but I can see why you want agile engagement with punishing and your up close playstyle

[hearty panther]

I'm also a huge slut for stamina so i genuinely prefer Vanguard

Out for Blood is massive now after the last buff it got.

[last parcel]

based

[lusty shuttle]

I wish there was stuff that adjusted swap speed/ready speed

a hot swap node would be fun, especially with weapon specialist

[lusty shuttle]

Same, I run 3x stamina regen on curious

I need a +3 stamina curio still

got like 7 on my zealot

[hearty panther]

3x stam eff block effic CDR thats how i do

toughnessmaxxing

[lusty shuttle]

I thought youd go for sprint efficiency lol

[hearty panther]

yea dont sleep on Out for Blood also, it's seriously strong

[lusty shuttle]

5% toughness?

[hearty panther]

10% toughness back on all your melee kills, 5% for everything else

and i mean everything else

[lusty shuttle]

interesting

Ill take that into consideration, Ill probably do some experimental damnation runs as I get more resourcfes

[hearty panther]

with iron will it keeps you alive a long time in melee and well piss toughness is always strong but that too

[lusty shuttle]

I just use confirmed kill

constant regen all the time

always killing elites and specialists

[hearty panther]

yea i just hate having my toughness gated to one enemy type

[lusty shuttle]

its elites and specialists

[hearty panther]

shout is technically another resource but like

[lusty shuttle]

which are all over the place in high difficulties

I also use shout

[hearty panther]

sometimes your teammates are just better than you and you arent the one getting those kills

[lusty shuttle]

I get your point

[plain escarp]

wait you get it for getting to level 30?

[lusty shuttle]

so it works even when Im culling the mobs with my gun

thats interesting

[hearty panther]

ye

Also bleed

Big for shredder nades

[lusty shuttle]

so shredder grennads

lol about to say that

[hearty panther]

It's quite the node

[lusty shuttle]

also my bleed on knife

quick question

bleed kills normally wouldnt replenish toughness right?

[pseudo fiber]

No no go to hestia (or click the penance tab when paused on the morningstar) it's on the little track at the bottom

[hearty panther]

Right

[pseudo fiber]

The preview may be a devilclaw sword, that skin, a crusher skin or a knife skin for ogryn but you get all 4 when you get to that node

[lusty shuttle]

have you tried the catachan mk 4 devil sword?

[hearty panther]

not in a long time

well, not outside of my hardcore runs

[lusty shuttle]

was trying to figure out what blessings to run for it

[hearty panther]

Shred Rampage probably

[lusty sapphire]

Shred/rampage yeah

[lusty shuttle]

thats pretty much what I thought also

was gonna test the difference for horde clear vs my knife

[lusty sapphire]

Even if you take wrath, mixed horde will still make it clank.

[lusty sapphire]

Day and night

[hearty panther]

Yeah dclaw has abysmal flak cleave

[lusty sapphire]

Shred helps a ton with that, more than wrath. It is chance but it's overall better

[lusty shuttle]

so +25% flak perk?

[lusty sapphire]

Yep

[lusty shuttle]

thats also why I take reciprocity

[lusty sapphire]

And then unyielding or maniac

[lusty shuttle]

and was debating taking melee side going into weapon specialist

[lusty sapphire]

Unyielding is crazy on the parry on bulwark or bosses

[lusty shuttle]

trying to see if a wave clear melee with a plasma would be viable

[hearty panther]

That's with the sweeping heavy attack

So against bucketheads

[lusty shuttle]

yeah the parry has crazy damage

[hearty panther]

You should hit the body

[lusty shuttle]

especially with a crit/weakspot multiplier

[lusty shuttle]

yeah they got the flak armor on the chest

[hearty panther]

Scab Bruisers got the flak bodies, Dreg Bruisers are the bucketheads

[lusty shuttle]

gotcha

[hearty panther]

Even with headshot damage bonuses, if you are facing more than two, you wanna heavy sweep their bodies.

[lusty shuttle]

flak/unarmoured perks for wave clear then?

[hearty panther]

Scabs are fine for headshots but if you do clip a piece of armor your damage suffers pretty miserably lol

[lusty shuttle]

I was gonna run plasma with it

[lusty sapphire]

If you want waveclear yea

[hearty panther]

Flak Maniac so that parry can onetap ragers

(In the head)

[lusty shuttle]

yeah thats huge actually

[lusty sapphire]

You should run a +3 stamina on dclaw

It's huge on parries with some block efficiency too

[hearty panther]

Block efficiency on curios also applies to the parry yea

[lusty sapphire]

Borderline cheating

[lusty shuttle]

man if only I got a drop for one, havent seen one in the shop ever

and I got 7 on zealot

[lusty sapphire]

And they need to be 76 or more too

[hearty panther]

Not a terrible idea to spend melk coins on random curios

[lusty shuttle]

I heard that its booty cheeks

[hearty panther]

I mean what else you gonna buy

[lusty shuttle]

I still dont have all the lvl 4 blessings

[hearty panther]

I'm sitting on like 130k coins and I've spent over 150k on curios at this point lol

[lusty shuttle]

so thats what I prioritize buying

sir

I go outside

[hearty panther]

gross

[lusty shuttle]

the graphics are cool but theres a lot of paywalls everywhere

[hearty panther]

but yea it's that or waiting hourly for the shop to rotate a whopping two at a time

[lusty shuttle]

I always check the shop after runs

I miss the vermintide 2 crafting system

[hearty panther]

i dont

so much busywork in VT2

theres a reason i have 1000 unopened item chests

every step is annoying to deal with

[lusty shuttle]

I getcha

just time consuming

[hearty panther]

even if results were more predictable they were still random

i do not miss rolling properties fifty times to get crit + bcr just to run out of dust and then have to open chests to scrap items to downgrade mats to do it again

[lusty shuttle]

thats a good point

[hearty panther]

that fucking forge door anim

burned into my trauma

[terse idol]

(CLUCK PSHHHH)

Cu CHUNK

[hearty panther]

only being allowed to scrap nine items at a time, you know, just in case you wanted to save those greys for something

[lusty shuttle]

hopefully the itemization rework will be good

and reduce RNG

[hearty panther]

so far it looks promising

looks like a determinate system that maintains uniqueness between exact weapon types

[lusty shuttle]

I can't see any other reason for the current system to be developed the way it was but to purposely inflate playtime because of the RNG

[terse idol]

There's only gonna be like one rng system

Rolling for your ideal stat distro

[hearty panther]

the current system is an easy plug in for an incomplete game, that's really all it is

[terse idol]

Besides that is alot better

[lusty shuttle]

hence the RNG and inflating playtime

[hearty panther]

you can access everything, but it's random, because they didn't have time to put in anything else before launch

[lusty shuttle]

I refunded this game on launch on bought it again after the class rework for like 21

[hearty panther]

i personally don't mind it since Tide games, this one more than the last, are more about skill expression and experience than stat checks anyway

[lusty sapphire]

We've honestly said this since november 2022

[lusty shuttle]

but we got the sick MTX shop dude

[plain escarp]

Aha! Didn't know it was a reward

[lusty shuttle]

it makes up for it

[lusty sapphire]

Sick (Clipping) mtx skins

[lusty shuttle]

it got the people going

to another game

[viscid sparrow]

btw, would Close Quarters Killzone (15% more close range dmg after ult) be better than Marksman (20% more headshot dmg after ult) on a CIAG shout build?

[hearty panther]

You want both really.

[lusty shuttle]

I prefer for the emperor and close quarters so I also buff the team and dont need headshots for overall damage output

[viscid sparrow]

hmmm... but if I wanna take +1 Krak via Grenadier (I tend to find 2 Kraks to not be enough for me, even with nade regen) and Agile Engagement, then I cannot afford both (I would be 2 points short of getting either Marksman or Close Killzone)

[hearty panther]

I waffled on +1 krak nade for a while and it's ultimately not worth it if you have the regen. Yes, you get to throw three in a row. Often you are still just sitting on three grenades and not really using the extra one though.

Two is sufficient, and theoretically your team should be able to handle the remaining three or four crushers after that.

You too for the matter lul

Also consider that CQKZ and Marksman will help you kill those big targets as well.

[viscid sparrow]

hmm ok, but now I need one more point for Marksman, and I wanna keep the +5% crit node...

unless... is Agile Engagement needed if I either spam melee or spam ranged for extended periods of time without swapping weapons to get any use from AE...?

[lusty shuttle]

can you show us the tree?

[lusty shuttle]

not worth it then

well it lasts 5 seconds at a time

so it should be fine

[viscid sparrow]

gimme a sec, gotta open the build site...

ok, this is my current CIAG build...

[hearty panther]

Oh that's easy.

Drop Fire Team for Close and Kill

[viscid sparrow]

b-but my +5% more damage...

[hearty panther]

And you don't need Grenade Tinkerer for anything except bosses.

Everything else the Krak Grenade already kills out right.

And ya don't think of Agile Engagement as something that needs to be up 'at all times', really if it gets you a breakpoint for ranged kills then it's worth it (which means it's pretty much always worth it)

[midnight totem]

Used to be kraks didn't kill bulwarks

[dawn garnet]

whats the best recon for vet? VId?

[midnight totem]

Without grenade tinkerer, after the Bulwark hp buff

[hearty panther]

ye no longer the case

kraks got touched up so that they default kill all ogryns again

[midnight totem]

Nice

[viscid sparrow]

I used tinkerer because my QP teams never have enough boss dmg...

[dawn garnet]

so whats the point of tinkerer?

[terse idol]

Iirc the fastest firing one is still the best but they're all pretty equal

[terse idol]

Buff up boss damage for krak

[hearty panther]

tinkerer can still help in thicc clusters for multikills and boss damage

[midnight totem]

Kill bosses... and BUFFED OGRYNS

[dawn garnet]

ye but idk if thats worth a point

[terse idol]

It depends

[hearty panther]

and no not really worth it imo

[dawn garnet]

ah i thought they still killed bulwarks

[terse idol]

Where else are ya gonna put the talent

[midnight totem]

Buffed ogryns are pretty common to me, but that's only because I run auric and maelstrom

[terse idol]

If you're doing like a center build

[dawn garnet]

i got a nice VId in brunts lets see

[midnight totem]

Tox gas buffed ogryns? Ogryns with nurgle's blessing?

Tinker kraks will kill them

[lusty shuttle]

what weapons are you running?

[heavy rover]

Depends on preference. Mk ii is good ammo efficiency. Mk vid is good for single target time-to-kill (especially when combined with something like onslaught). Mk vii is good for horde clear because it has cleave

[terse idol]

Just run a bolter

[heavy rover]

Long story short they're all viable

[hearty panther]

i still think the 7a is just dogwater tbh

two ammo per shot is expensive, and it doesnt output that much extra damage and the extra cleave is horribly niche

"good for shooting hordes" is not 'good' to me, ever, lol

[dawn garnet]

real

[hearty panther]

and the trade off is worse performance from some of the best recon blessings

[dawn garnet]

i'm still gonna put dumdum 4 instead of flak because the update will let me change perks freely

[lusty shuttle]

Id swap maniac damage for +5% crit chance

[viscid sparrow]

CIAG and 13g chainsword

[lusty shuttle]

makes a huge difference

[stray stream]

What are the top 3 horde cleaner melee weapons ?

[lusty shuttle]

Okay but what about melee? lol the edit afterwards nvm

[dawn garnet]

yeah but i wanna change both blessings now and use it after the update

[heavy rover]

I'm willing to say mk III shovel is at least one of them

[lusty shuttle]

its okay man, I got stuck with +2 stamina on my rolll lol

[dawn garnet]

I have this one already

[lusty shuttle]

nice

[heavy rover]

Keep both imo. You got really good rolls for both

[dawn garnet]

ye

i regret selling the 4 grey 375+ recons i had before the buff lmao

I had 2 on vet 2 on psyker 😭

[tall torrent]

unsure cuz it's made with MS word's tools

[stray stream]

Tbh i never tried it, i have a good mk3 power sword which is superb but too slow. Need something fast. Tried it with a good XIII chainsword : very efficient at clearing hordes but spamming light atks i realize the pattern makes nearly 1/3 or 1/4 atks to miss targets.
That’s why i m thinking on new leads

[heavy rover]

I've been playing around with the mk III shovel a lot. I find myself clearing hordes pretty fast thanks to decimator and skull crusher

[last parcel]

atheneum and ogrynomicon just have short descriptions and links to the full guides, so the microsoft link should still work

[lusty shuttle]

gotta move to compensate for it

also itll hit whatevers center screen

does it have the wide sweeping heavys or is that the other sword?

[dreamy spade]

most fun class:

1. vet
   2)psyker
   3)zealot
   4)ogyrn

fight me

[lusty sapphire]

I don't need to

[viscid sparrow]

btw, I was just in a torrent mission where the team's female loose cannon complained about the market being closed, saying "All closed!? Just when I wanted to go on a shopping spree..."

[mighty anvil]

Thats my cue to transition my chracter^

[viscid sparrow]

later in the same mission, the female LC shouted "COME OUT AND PLAY, HERETICS!", to which the team's male Professional said something like "Will you just shut up?! You are gonna bring the whole city down on us, because there's just a few of us, and thousands of them!"

[viscid sparrow]

I myself would use female LC instead of the male one, but the male one just has more intense shout ult lines imo...

[uncut pebble]

Switch vet and zealout around and you'd be right.

Vet be like "I use voc" and that's it, encounter over.

Zealout be like "I use mental gymnastics and backflip over a plage ogryn to win."

[dreamy spade]

Being able to spam 12 frag grenades in a row though...

[tame lodge]

Yeah, all smokes

[pseudo pecan]

lmao

ain't nobody getting to see shit today

[shadow urchin]

Isn't that build dependent? Or are we talking about meta only?

[dreamy spade]

Smokes should do the opposite effect as pox gas

[shadow urchin]

The "I use voc" not the flipping

[tame lodge]

One of the things smoke should have is EWEW

[gilded wraith]

I like my smokes with my core premade. I pick another grenade when pug.

[mighty anvil]

is 20% bonus crit chance enough to be viable on the bolt pistol?

[tame lodge]

With WS you'll have 50+ Crit chance after melee kill

[mighty anvil]

WS?

[tame lodge]

Weapon Specialist

[mighty anvil]

Oh i am running that

so it's probably worth since i only shoot after i melee hmmm

[rose jasper]

We really need a heavy lasgun... with the power pack and everything

[slow spade]

Hotshot is added

But it gets the recon treatment 😎

[serene ivy]

any time i think giving vet a try would be fun i get teams of people just gobbling up all the ammo

[umbral scaffold]

hi im pretty inexperienced just wondering what the best mods to this gun would be

[tall torrent]

Swap both perks, get flak & 5% crit chance

[umbral scaffold]

ty!

[uncut pebble]

Such a nice ciag...

[slow spade]

Not 380

Recycled into dockets 💅

[mighty anvil]

me a vet player who gobbles up all the ammo

[serene ivy]

they arent even vets

i tend to run into gunlugger ogryns and trigger happy psykers

[mighty anvil]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b87b5fd-c1aa-4605-9515-e5f762e17a52/stormtrooper-veteran-krak-grenade-voice-of-command-weapon-specialist-auric-ready

[silent bison]

I keep getting told that headhunter rifles aren’t good, anyone actually have a reason? I’m just curious how I could improve my vet

[tame lodge]

No real reason

Whoever is telling you that have some biased vision

However, the mk9 is not on a good spot rn

[silent bison]

Ahh that’s probably why then

What would I use instead as a good replacement?

I’ve been told the revolver is good, I’d just prefer to have more than 6 rounds before needing to reload

[tame lodge]

Mk3 headhunter if you still want the burst
Mk7 headhunter if you want a semi auto

[silent bison]

I like semi, I’ll go with that, what would be good blessings?

[tame lodge]

Surgical + Deadly Accurate/Ghost/Opening Salvo

Those are the popular picks

[silent bison]

Okay spent a over 100k but got a 376 base from brunt and gave it max consecration

Came out with headhunter 3 and no respite 4

Only thing I have available to swap em out for is between the eyes 3 ugh

[odd sparrow]

headhunter is fine. Many including me just dislike the burst fire version because it feels akward

[tall torrent]

Play weapon specialist

[silent bison]

But of course

Like me my weapon specialist

[hollow ibex]

Best keystone

[sterile phoenix]

Worth continuing with?

[uncut pebble]

Save for crafting rework if you dont want to test fate.

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for-determined-angry-gif-5247874

[tiny summit]

Keep gambling

Thats always the lesson

[mental cloud]

lol is uncanny strike good or nah?

[last parcel]

headtaker is already great and you can just use the edits to slap on brutal momentum and unarmoured

[austere mica]

It’s one of the best blessings in the game

[sterile phoenix]

Well I sent it, and got maniac 4 and a crap blessing so I think I am good

[mental cloud]

I thought so too.

Thank you

[austere mica]

I assume you were asking about knife

[mental cloud]

Yep

[austere mica]

Post it when you’re done

[mighty anvil]

im jealous

[tall torrent]

Worth harvesting

[austere mica]

Oh my god I called it

That is a bad knife

[mighty anvil]

No mercy killer 😦

[mental cloud]

lol TEACH ME lol

[austere mica]

Lacerate only works on body shots, which do utterly terrible damage on knife

It also conveniently is a complete anti synergy with Uncanny

If you want an actual bleed knife use Flesh Tearer

[idle swallow]

thats when you take ruthless backstab/lacerate, the most powerful combo in the game (citation needed)

[mental cloud]

Interesting.

Back to the gambling. Riposte?

[austere mica]

On vet Mercy Killer and Uncanny Strike work very well because of Serrated Blade

It gives mercy killer 100% uptime for like 2 points

Otherwise your choice of riposte or precognition + uncanny

Than your choice of armor damage perks (flak, maniac, unyielding, carapace)

[mental cloud]

Blessings 👏

[tall torrent]

Mercy is not mandatory, it’s just consistent for veteran

[mighty anvil]

Does all of this give me 75% critical hit chance?

[austere mica]

Weapon spec crit chance stacks

You get 100% in 3 kills

[crude fiber]

Lacerate and uncanny. Oh yeah, it's throwing time

[serene ivy]

Say, vets

I am asking this since I'm gonna make a gunlugger build on my ogryn
Is there something you'd appreciate me doing when I got one of you in my quick play lobbies

They tend to eat all the ammo you'd usually take so..

Thought this would be a good place to ask

[crude fiber]

Don't shoot hoards, that is all

[austere mica]

Only dump into hordes when it’s a dangerous mixed

Like full of ragers and maulers/specials

[last parcel]

shoot the poxbursters

[serene ivy]

Why waste ammo when can just push

[crude fiber]

Even better, shoot them a few times to build fire stacks so they may or may not explode when someone goes to push it

[last parcel]

to kill your teammates

[serene ivy]

Ah, I get it now

[austere mica]

Also remember bosses are a perfectly reasonable excuse to dump half your ammo

Because you will kill it in like 10 seconds

[serene ivy]

This reminds me of that one time when a zealot just deleted a monstrosity in an instant

[lusty sapphire]

I'm proud of this chat

Remember it is always ethical to put down smykers

[last parcel]

aka spawnkilling the daemonhost

[serene ivy]

Sparkhead is daemonhost?

[lusty sapphire]

It could be

[tall torrent]

learn melee

[lusty sapphire]

I'm not taking chances

[tall torrent]

but srsly tho it's weird how most gunlugger ogryns fold in melee incredibly easily

[serene ivy]

Penance lady say I need to kill with gun
So Grug go do that
Would use pickaxe but want to make penance lady proud

[tall torrent]

what's the penance again

kill 7500 suppressed enemies?

[last parcel]

shoot the walls

[lusty sapphire]

You will naturaly get it if you just play good and use your tools in the right conditions

[last parcel]

the chaos is living in the walls

[serene ivy]

That one and kill 25 enemies while the gunlugger skill is active (forgor name) 50 times

[last parcel]

ah

no russian

[crude fiber]

I had better luck shooting hoards with a terrifying presence ripper gun for suppressed kills

[lusty sapphire]

[last parcel]

[lusty sapphire]

That is a very bad combo

[lusty sapphire]

Especially when ripper has such good dmg blessings

[crude fiber]

Had better progress using that then with the achyls

[lusty sapphire]

The progress might be good but don't gimp your weapons for penances

[tall torrent]

I just realized that ogryn clubs' heavy sweep can only dmg 3 enemies

[last parcel]

yeah, just gimp them all the time like the rest of us

[lusty sapphire]

Ah nvm I thought it said you used the barrage

My bad

[serene ivy]

Isn't that... Bad?

[tall torrent]

yea

[lusty sapphire]

Yes

That's why everyone and their mother runs haymaker

[last parcel]

that’s so cursed

[tall torrent]

I was checking weapons’ horde clear speeds

Got some really interesting results

[lusty sapphire]

Basher only exception cause it's a good club with a nice moveset

[serene ivy]

Naturally Branx best, yes?

[lusty sapphire]

So you don't feel the cap

[tall torrent]

Ogryn fastest horde clear is Karsolas pretty sure

[serene ivy]

[last parcel]

gonna misread this and run bash knife

[tall torrent]

Karsolas is almost as fast as Rashad

I just did 50 pox

Karsolas was avg 8.7~9.1s

Rashad avg 7.5~8.2s

[serene ivy]

I mean thats fair since karsolas has two chaining heavy swipes, whereas the branx alternates between a heavy and a light to keep its horde clear up

Not that I'm happy about it

[tall torrent]

Branx is fine

[austere mica]

Karsolas can also do light heavy

[tall torrent]

It’d still clear horde WAY faster than clubs lol

[serene ivy]

I run the branx because it's funny to go mining
The thing you're mining being the heads of maulers and crushers

[fading yarrow]

Good evenin', pardon me: which is better?

[austere mica]

Yeah the only issue I have with karsolas is even with crunch and thrust I still have armor problems

[tall torrent]

1st, swap both blessings to surgical + weight of fire

[tall torrent]

Karsolas is pretty reliable 2~3 hit crusher tho

[serene ivy]

^ this

Personally I'd have said to switch to a mk1 helbore but

[austere mica]

Yeah but its 2-3 hits that take years to charge

[serene ivy]

That's just my preference

[tall torrent]

Not really?

[austere mica]

Maybe its just my crippling knife addiction spoiling me though

[serene ivy]

Thrust really doesn't take long to gain all stacks

[last parcel]

you need to move out of london

[tall torrent]

U shouldn’t need crunch for Karsolas

[austere mica]

I took it because I had a point

[tall torrent]

Get full heavy hitter upgrades

And both +25 toughness nodes

[somber axle]

Use your height to your advantage and ours! You should be able to see over us easily and now that player models no longer block shots or affect cleave it's easier for you to shoot from behind us than it is for us to shoot from behind you

[serene ivy]

I apologize for derailing the vet chat to this point

[somber axle]

We can still shoot through you but it's harder for us to see

So we make for a better firing squad when you stay behind us

[last parcel]

it could be a lot worse

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1270515312688762950/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.08.06_-_18.52.10.02.mp4?ex=66b3fb17&is=66b2a997&hm=cdf19e46ffdb3a91bc9f97b92721b452284106082e3063753f82951057184f0d&

I think it's fine

[somber axle]

that's heartbreaking that it's THAT close to a 1HKO on Scab Gunners

[serene ivy]

To get things back on track a little

I really like the Helbore MK1, though I feel like precision single shot weapons with charge up seem to fall behind the rapid fire options quite a lot

Is that just a skill issue or harsh reality

[somber axle]

like just a smidge more damage and it would instagib

[fading yarrow]

Is Infernus not good on Hellbore, then?

[last parcel]

that was with just one stack of slaughtere

[austere mica]

also no thrust stacks

[somber axle]

need 2 stacks

[austere mica]

would be an easy kill with thrust

[tall torrent]

it's not worth it

[somber axle]

should be easy to get with hordes all over

but 0-1 stacks and no instagib

sadness

[serene ivy]

I am fairly certain the heavy sweep on the branx could Insta kill a scab gunner, though I am usually at max heavy attack stacks

[tall torrent]

I have thrust on my karsolas, I'm purposefully not using it here to show that the 2~3 taps are still good even when u don't have access to it

It’s just heavy hitter + slaughterer

[serene ivy]

I mean with bleed...
Is there really a difference

[somber axle]

The Helbores are the most ammo efficient weapon in the entire Vet arsenal capable of shooting for free with Surgical + Shock Trooper (not even factoring in how free Deadshot is when pairing it with Focus Target + Target Down) and you can reliably stack damage for very fun breakpoints to kill Crushers in 1-2 shots too

[tall torrent]

Karsolas H2 basically always generates minimum of 2 thrust stacks tho

It’s pretty cool

That’s why I took thrust over headtaker

[somber axle]

You can literally run a crit build + Shock Trooper with Helbores through no ammo Maelstrom and stretch your ammo better than any other gun because other guns will run ammo neutral at best with Surv Aura

Helbores run ammo positive

and very, very few guns can take that claim now

[serene ivy]

The downside that I really dont like about helbores being the animation on swapping to them

[somber axle]

yeah their slow swap speed is part of their weapon balance

[serene ivy]

I mean I could just not use my melee, just using the Alt attack all the time instead

[somber axle]

sorta like how Boltgun has CRAZY burst and can demolish a boss HP bar in seconds if you magdump in their face but the slow reload/swap makes it harder to handle

[austere mica]

I miss old bayonet

[idle swallow]

luv me helbore, luv me shovel, 'ate heretics, simple as

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk II is my personal fav for the high rate of fire and the funny way it synergizes with Exe Stance + Focus Target and Redirect Fire

[idle pecan]

What's more practical, mercy killer and uncanny with serrated blade node

Or uncanny and precog

(Perks will be carapace and maniac)

[somber axle]

it's one of the few cases where I think unironically Exe Stance is the best option

[serene ivy]

I like that the mk1 is a neat middle ground between the 2 and 3

Though I hear 2 is most ammo efficient

[somber axle]

if you run Voice of Command or Infiltrate you end up forced into Unarmoured and Maniac as perks on the weapon to meet Flamer breakpoint and Dreg Gunner breakpoint which hurts but if you run Exe Stance + Focus Target with Redirect Fire you can ignore both Unarmoured/Maniac because you consistently meet and exceed those breakpoints so you can grab Carapace as a weapon perk instead and during Exe Stance you kill Crushers in 2 shots which is hilarious LOL

even better with how fast it fires and how Shock Trooper makes those shots free + Surv Aura refunds you ammo for the kill

without Carapace and without Exe Stance a Helbore Mk II needs 5-7+ shots to kill a Crusher and at that point just throw Krak or swap melee because that's too slow even with the funny fire rate of the Helbore Mk II

[serene ivy]

I need to try that build sometime

[somber axle]

it is very fun but you don't have a get out of jail free card without Voice of Command or Infiltrate so you have to play more carefully

[serene ivy]

What, a playstyle that needs actual teamwork

Impossible, too much splitting up

[somber axle]

I have an alternate Infiltrate Helbore Mk II set up using Agile Engagement to meet the Flamer/Dreg Gunner breakpoints but that relies on me remembering to bayonet a Poxwalker in the face before shooting a Flamer/Dreg Gunner firing line

it's just fun and relaxing to hit stealth and use Low Profile to snipe specials/elites without worrying about poxwalkers trying to sneak up on you

[last parcel]

tfw you've used marksman so much that it doesn't even get mentioned

[somber axle]

tbh I use all three of the buffs LOL

Marksman, For the Emperor and Close Quarters Kill Zone

I like it for funny boss DPS

Exe Stance, Weight of Fire IV and Charge Rate 77%+ go BRRRRT into a boss face

Surgical and Shock Trooper let you sustain surprisingly long volleys between reloads

[serene ivy]

Was marksman the one that eats your stamina

[last parcel]

no that's deadshot

[somber axle]

no it just gives you +20% power on ability use for 10 sec

[serene ivy]

Ah

[last parcel]

+20% power on weakspot hit

[somber axle]

Deadshot gives +25% crit chance and reduced weapon sway at the cost of stamina drain per sec and additional stamina drain from each shot

but like you can easily offset it with Target Down

[serene ivy]

Deadshot is neat but
I kinda need my stamina for emergencies

Oh huh

[idle pecan]

@somber axle you seem knowledgeable, on the knife would it be more practical to run serrated blade with uncanny and mercy killer

Or with precog and uncanny

[somber axle]

so like Focus Target will always have a minimum of 2 stacks if you kill a target shortly after pinging it and with a Helbore you 1 shot everything short of Maulers/Crushers (which you can 2 shot) and Target Down gives 5% stam and 5% toughness back not just to you but all allies in coherency so it both offsets stamina drain, lets you shrug off shots from shooters and helps your Zealot/Ogryn juggle their stamina for melee better too

Target Down is just so so nice

[serene ivy]

Poor middle mouse button

[somber axle]

Uncanny + Mercy Killer is ok if you run Serrated Blade but it sorta pigeonholes you into that talent every time you use that blessing combo so it's dependent on your build. Sometimes that's kinda pricy talent tax-wise to afford and not worth. I haven't tested precog + uncanny tbh. I mostly lean into Executor + Uncanny for my Knife to get slightly better horde clear and still get the funny 3 quick stab less than 1 second time to kill Crusher knife fun

But like Uncanny + Mercy Killer would be my second choice if I wasn't running Uncanny + Executor

[idle pecan]

Ah ok, cuz I rolled a precog mercy killer and got infested maniac as the perks. Was just wondering which ones to swap

[somber axle]

I want to try Riposte + Flesh Tearer with reciprocity on a Mk III Knife because I've heard it gets silly for horde clear and the bleed is fun

[idle pecan]

Oh word

[faint beacon]

I love that I can change my special keybind to side mouse buttons

[last parcel]

if you want silly, go lacerate flesh tearer mk6 horde clear and let the bruisers bleed

[inland orchid]

Same feels nice

[somber axle]

I'd swap Precog and Infested personally but you'd probably get better advice from Numbers Cat on Knife stuff

Precog is ok I just don't have any experience toying with it

[somber axle]

but then I have to weave in heavies and I just want to go no thoughts head empty mode with light spam weapon specialist + trench fighter drill into hordes

[faint beacon]

Path last night was testing out horde clear on 50 poxwalkers with various melees

[midnight totem]

Alrighty

[somber axle]

gonna get serrated blade too whenever I make this weird bleed knife though

[midnight totem]

TIME TO PLAY

[somber axle]

[faint beacon]

We found out the Karsolas is basically Ogryns Rashad lmao

[midnight totem]

bleed shovel is where its at

[faint beacon]

Horde clear of 9s

[faint beacon]

Slightly rusted and used shovel

[inland orchid]

I read this as “horde clear on 9” and now I got a Ogryn newsman in my head

[faint beacon]

Lmao

[midnight totem]

Next ogryn character blurb

Ogryn known as Walt Kronkite was a beloved news caster, much admired for his daily enthusastic, if sometime mistaken readings of the Emperor's Word

[faint beacon]

He’s actually the news host for Rashuns Radio FM (previously Heresy Radio FM)

[midnight totem]

AFter the Moebian 6th attacked Tertium, killed his news caster buddies on the vox, and most importantly, stole all of his rations from the rec room, he decided to take revenge

His new favorite song on the voxnet?

[crimson pebble]

Ogryn suit when

[midnight totem]

"DEY TOOK MA RASHUNS"

[faint beacon]

https://youtu.be/mu8HgTnwKAM?si=RWcJX34bK0CMTJSZ

WOLFER

WOLFER DONT LEAVE ME HERE

[midnight totem]

anyway, anybody up to a game?

[faint beacon]

If I was actually home yes but that’s not happening for another 2 hours

[somber axle]

I must continue my FF14 insanity

[last parcel]

i must reexamine the manuscripts

[inland orchid]

Have fun with whichever raids/quests u intend to do, I haven’t hopped on FF14O in a while

[midnight totem]

darnit Gale

you always complain about getting scrubs in your games I think you actually like it

[hollow warren]

not horrible, right?

[faint beacon]

Maybe I’m a glutton for punishment

How about that

[inland orchid]

Very cool perks

[faint beacon]

But eventually I’ll be finishing up my shift

[midnight totem]

Slaaneshi detected

DIE HERETIC

[last parcel]

bend over

[faint beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/yume-nikki-uboa-out-out-the-window-going-out-the-window-gif-10500941781401851284

[somber axle]

Thanks! I'm still doing the MSQ for the recent xpac LOL

I need to catch up to friends

[hollow warren]

I don't know the slightest about what are the better perks for the DB, so any suggestions would be welcomed

[somber axle]

I've been doing with my S.O. but our work schedules suuuuck so it's hard to make progress

[inland orchid]

I’m not being sarcastic Dw, both seem awesome to solve a lot of problems

[faint beacon]

Typical choices are Both Barrels, Man-stopper

A lot of the others are like up to personal preference

It’s a rare gun where it’s more flexible to use blessings on

[fading yarrow]

Man, I thought Exec's Stance would have been a way better pairing with the Hellbore than it feels like

[hollow warren]

this thing is absolutely ridiculous. two-shotting crushers and maulers

[faint beacon]

If Cara was like Maniac

It truly would be a complete “god roll”

But Cara is a decent side one

[hollow warren]

I can switch to Maniac, but then I can't two shot crushers

[faint beacon]

You got locks on it already so it’s already done

But it’s still a really good PS6

[idle pecan]

Imo man stopper over both barrels, but not bad by any means

Id run unarmored/infested + maniac for perks tbh

Amazing horde clear

[hollow warren]

Man-Stopper is only T2, right?

[lucid hinge]

yes

it's easier to grind for with a lvl 20 character

(I think)

I don't remember when the DB drops on vet

psykers is lvl 19 and zealot is 20

[hollow warren]

good thing I have it

probably found at Brunt's

[lucid hinge]

I run Manstopper both barrels on DB

pretty fun weapon for the most part

[idle pecan]

I'm prolly gonna run man stopper+scattershot and run always prepared

The funny switch to horde clear

[lusty sapphire]

Imo since vet has a keystone which guarantees crit manstopper/both barrel and you are truly happy

[mellow sapphire]

anyone think we are actually getting the officer saber in the weapons sharing next update?

[last parcel]

i hope we get euthanized

[lusty sapphire]

Meh

[mellow sapphire]

been playing it on psyker for a while, at a deft hand it's a one-shot wonder

[lusty sapphire]

In the sense that I don't see that really happening

[mellow sapphire]

I mean... we are the class with the officers tho! xD

[radiant chasm]

Squad leaders! Don’t get too big for your britches templar

[lusty sapphire]

If we get the sabers then the other classes also get the heavy swords

[severe gale]

bad build

don’t listen to this guy he sucks and stinks

[lucid hinge]

I fucking schooled you and now you mad !

[severe gale]

erm

no

i am toooooo swag

my swag outswags your swag

get swagged on

swag.

[lucid hinge]

also i don't think we're gonna get sabers since the SL kits (Imperial guard sergeants) for 40k are chainswords/las pistols and other weapons like that

[severe gale]

i want a krieg force sword skin

or

power sword

not force

one of these

[inland orchid]

Powersword with grip guard

[lucid hinge]

peak design

[crude fiber]

Dealing sword would probably be pretty good on vet. All their +attack speed and damage bonuses that psyker doesn't get as easily

[thorn lark]

i thing you can do something like that with the weapon custom mod

[last parcel]

you can

[thorn lark]

use the guard of the mk5 and the blade of the illisi

[last parcel]

because that's what i do

[thorn lark]

[wicked epoch]

Weapon customization mod exists

[last parcel]

i never screenshotted that exact setup though

[lean bloom]

i expend 500k and i didnt like it :c

[last parcel]

[lusty sapphire]

You should have

[quiet valley]

Needs Unyielding to kill bosses

Sustained fire has better uptime than Trickshooter as well

[manic cloak]

Look at this fanny revolver enthusiast

[idle pecan]

Does both barrels work if I only have one ammo in the clip

[tall torrent]

no

[umbral scaffold]

Imagine weapon specialist reload going up to 51%

[last parcel]

my fate has been sealed

[midnight totem]

Now there are two clowns

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-getting-out-of-hand-now-there-are-two-star-wars-viceroy-jedi-gif-11488909

[last parcel]

hydra dominatus

[wicked epoch]

what do i get for this thing

aight

[last parcel]

[wicked epoch]

give me answers !

or i will shoot you

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[tall torrent]

it's bricked gg

2 bad blessings

and specialist does nothing for this gun

[wicked epoch]

whats a good blessing to throw on this thing

[last parcel]

time to miss the point and create a contrived situation where 8% specialist damage gives flamer bp

[tall torrent]

headhunter & ghost

[wicked epoch]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

time to gamble more

[idle pecan]

Best you could do is swap blessings for hh and infernus

Or ghost

[last parcel]

please elaborate on why you chose infernus on an infantry lasgun

[wicked epoch]

it hot

[last parcel]

just like my load

[idle pecan]

Dps

Who needs ghost if you just don't get shot /s

[idle dirge]

What perks do y'all suggest for the ironhelm shotgun

[inland orchid]

I like rocking infernus to save a shot if a enemy is close enough to die to the fire stacks, have moar ammo on the already high ammo gun

[tall torrent]

flak/maniac/infested

[tall torrent]

[tribal pelican]

can I get a F in chat, just gota insta killed no down state from a pox burster with 4/5 done for auric survivor I didn't even have any corruption no idea how that was even possible maybe more then 1 burster at once?

[last parcel]

yeah that usually happens when they stack up

[mighty anvil]

I gotta win 5 auric's in a row to get the title?

[rigid pilot]

You can't die and win 5 in a row

[mighty anvil]

Is a down a death?

[quartz crag]

Whats the dump stat for Mk X laspistol?

[tall torrent]

stability

[tall torrent]

no, u have to lose all wounds/get blown off map

either of these results in death & resets progress

[mighty anvil]

This might be bait but, auric is easier for me. Do y'all notice when you matchmake for auric you dont have to carry?

[tribal pelican]

AUric mealstrom

[rigid pilot]

Maelstrom one is easy to cheese if you wait for the easy ones

[tall torrent]

wait for scab ranged only vent purge

there're some other ez ones too

[quartz crag]

Still grab Flak and Manic?

[tribal pelican]

i think this is actually a pretty common feeling if seen people bring it up in the zealot discord i think it comes down to there being more people who actually know what they are doing and so it ends up feeling easyer becuse the pyker is not blowing up every 30sec and the zealot is not running 6miles ahead of teh team with his combat knife ice skates

[tall torrent]

Works
I will say that mk10 Laspistol is not nearly as good as mk2 tho

[quartz crag]

I just like it cause it sounds funnier, and i like harder hitting weapons

[tall torrent]

And for blessings u want ghost + dum dum

Unless ur playing psyker

[rigid pilot]

Ghost

[mighty anvil]

Auric Maelstorm is no joke

[sinful swallow]

Some modifiers get crazy, I love mini monsters

[last parcel]

mini monsters when i introduce them to serrated blade helbore

[mighty anvil]

Do maelstorm enemies have more health

im getting my ass kicked

[last parcel]

if it's the nurgle's blessing modifier and they're glowing green, they have more damage resistance

[rigid pilot]

Other than that noh

[thorn lark]

I love reddit

[stiff glacier]

I love my combat axes

[thorn lark]

I love crafting https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1elenk1/i_got_bored_and_spent_12400000_ordo_dockets_on/

[sly carbon]

Still relatively new so apologies if this is a foolish question but is there a recommended recon lasgun to prioritize using?

Been fooling around with the VIIa and VId

[shadow urchin]

I knew it!

[umbral scaffold]

THE FOOL SEEKS KNOWLEDGE

[sly carbon]

My fault og

[thorn lark]

if you want a good all rounder with ammo efficiency mk2

[idle pecan]

7a good for piercing crowds and taking out specials
6d good for hosing down hordes
Mk2 good all arounder

[sly carbon]

Word up

[thorn lark]

if you want a lasgun that cleaves and is also efficient, mk7

if you want fun mk6d

[sly carbon]

I will stick with the 7 then

[idle pecan]

The 7 hits hard

[sly carbon]

I love collaterals

[idle pecan]

Swiss army lasgun

[sly carbon]

Go to blessings?

I feel like headhunter is a must

[last parcel]

and dumdum

[sly carbon]

Word up

[idle pecan]

Hh and infernus/dumdum

[mighty anvil]

same

[thorn lark]

I love my wombat axes

[torpid igloo]

very confused by vet's massive tree

seems impossible to fill out keystones

what should i be using for autoguns?

[idle pecan]

You can get to middle keystone with like 15 pts remaining

Vets tree has insane nodes

[elder fiber]

You also don't necessarily want to fill out entire keystones

[late hatch]

I rec weap spec. right side of middle into shredder or krak, pick up VOC, at the bottom take the left side of the right tree down to the purple node, then pick up iron will in the middle tree.

[uncut pebble]

You don't necessarily want to fill out keystones completely. Especially not weapon specialist. The only auxiliary node for that one that people really swear by is always prepared and thats only for specific weapons like the double barrel or revolvers.

No keystone vet is genuinely viable due to the earth shattering impact of the talents on the bottom end of the tree.

[idle pecan]

Crit for the weap spec node only applies to the first shot

[wanton dawn]

Still saying that no keystone vet remains worse than keystone vet but hey, to each its own 🤷

[late hatch]

Im not sure what youre talking about

[wanton dawn]

Probably assumed you talked about applying crit to full autofire to justify ws on autogun

Which is an assumption

[late hatch]

The swap between melee and ranged is just a great bonus that is easy to access.

And good for newer players to get into the habit of swapping instead of running aorund like COD

[umbral scaffold]

At some point I ran a plasma build that looked like this

Well, a build with plasma

[late hatch]

no iron will or ws but trench fighter?

[wanton dawn]

Not my stylr

[umbral scaffold]

Because plasma, like revolver, exists within its own bubble of fuckening

Gotta have that 10% 💪

Whenever I cross over to FT, I make damn sure I'm getting demolition expert or the middle node instead

Mom ain't raised no iron will user

[late hatch]

field prep so good too

[umbral scaffold]

And also because I played iron will shout for a bit and... man, my brain could run on a whole synapse with that thing

I didn't need more brain power besides the absolute bare minimum and it felt disgusting

It's part of why I switched to knife vet and came to love it

[wanton dawn]

I use this for plasma, most of the time

[umbral scaffold]

Very based

[stiff glacier]

I honestly wish that keystone was condensed to like 3 side upgrades rather than 5

[brittle hollow]

fireteam or survivalist?

for voice command focus target

[idle pecan]

good build for DB/Knife

[serene ivy]

The vets I run with are either godly or miss most shots

I miss most shots

[haughty basalt]

is there a way to find how much ammo has Survivalist restored during a round?

[sour elbow]

Try marking any special you're shooting at and taking executioners stance with the hilighting humanoids.
Should get you trained really well if you bring a green or orange lasrifle, or the orange (single shot) headhunter rifle

[wicked epoch]

What art thou speaking of?

Never have I heard any words of “orange or green” las guns

Tell me where I may possess my starwars pewpew

[sour elbow]

I don't bother remembering the names of the same gun with a different paint job and some slightly different behaviours

So it's the blue lasrifle for multiple clicks quickly, green for the standard, and brown/orange for the slower firing but most damage lasrifle

[civic knot]

Is updated new chainsword any good compared to the old one?

[rigid pilot]

Yesn't

Different combos

Light spam is slightly better on the new one I think

[civic knot]

is it at least more complex than the old one with literally 2 combos for each scenario? H1 -> H2 and light spam

[rigid pilot]

Yes and no

Heavies at just strikedown

Lights are more funky

There's one diagonal heavy but I hate it

[pastel yew]

looking at each of the plasma builds just posted but like

you're going to be missing break points on that setup no?

without marksmans focus or focus target

I prefer both the new chainsword and new evis

the first heavy being an overhead makes the hitbox fuckery easier to manage when going for empowered hits

[stiff glacier]

I dont bother with breakpoints

Just double/triple tap

Dont want to make plasma even more easy than it is already

[civic knot]

this tbh

[vivid silo]

In my experience I don't miss many breakpoints that aren't fixed by a stack of Blaze Away, Psyker Aura or similar small things more or less.

[serene ivy]

The only gun where I can remember the different names is the Lucius Hellbore

Because it's simple
MK1 for balanced
Mk2 for fast fire rate
Mk3 for most damage per shot

[wanton dawn]

In my experience, plasma is a good agile+ws abuser

[slow spade]

Focus Target plasma for me

[wanton dawn]

Ft plasma is a different playstyle

[slow spade]

"Do not resist your toughness will be regen'd"

[wanton dawn]

I play ft on no ammo maelstrom

[idle swallow]

Little bit of target down+confirmed kill+gloryhunter to get those big toughness payouts

[wise jackal]

Me when

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413740215392403474/1270741149933502464/ef7761aa8f8e4d878d37f3055ac0d380.mp4?ex=66b4cd6b&is=66b37beb&hm=6f4fd03bea97bee7c01b90be2e1751d66ca92328c6f5a6a76bb7edd03137a7e8&

[idle swallow]

https://youtu.be/VoZQbsUHYaw?si=FW3gvdd0jC_iKExk

[terse idol]

I mean that's a way to think about it

If you've played like a buncha hours, there isn't a reason not to get breakpoints suffice it to say

Because it just smooths it out

[last parcel]

she break my point til i one shot

[midnight totem]

Giggity

[faint beacon]

Real men use breakpoints that are solely RNG based 💪💪💪

The RNG being the second shot of my Agri HHA flinging to the right completely missing the Gunner standing still

[heavy rover]

Nailing the neighbor's pox hound because it's smoothbore

Have to resort to the bolt gun mounted at the top of the stairs

[last parcel]

tally ho lads

[pseudo fiber]

Hello gamer

[fiery wave]

Gold

[spice wadi]

real man dont wait for the bolt pistol recoil to reset

[slow spade]

Its a horde shooter, if your shot doesn't connect even with wild recoil clearly a skill issue 😎

"Na I was shooting to stagger them trust me"

[spice wadi]

the emperor meant me to hit that poxwalker not the trapper that was in the middle of firing her net

trust in His plan

[serene ivy]

If the explosion hit a psyker I'd say it was worth it

Wait no that's a different enemy isn't it

I don't have big brain

[sinful swallow]

Still His plan

[sinful swallow]

Crit hit damage to crit chance

It's a slightly higher average DPS but extra synergy since you're running burn

[tall torrent]

don't do crit dmg

get either 25% maniac or 5% crit chance

[hard cave]

running opening Salvo with it to compensate for that

[tall torrent]

Crit damage is still rly bad on recon

[sinful swallow]

Opening salvo is the 10% crit on first bit of mag right

[last parcel]

yes

[sinful swallow]

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[sinful swallow]

Wtf is a glomp

[umbral scaffold]

plz give me this mod

[midnight totem]

It's like a hug tackle

[hard cave]

wait so thats only 16 shots,,,

[midnight totem]

Very commonly used by Asian school girls

[last parcel]

https://github.com/Backup158/DarktideBetterDescriptionsUwuify

[sinful swallow]

Glomp this

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-squad-mamba-gif-26230237

[sinful swallow]

LMAO we all have that one friend

[inland orchid]

chastise the wicked definitely was used point blank

[last parcel]

free shots don't count against the first 10% of the magazine so sometimes it'd be for the first 18 shots :D

[hard cave]

so,,,sugoi,,,

[hard cave]

Would running dead shot and swapping it for stam be a better call?

nvm dead shot shots drain stam

[tall torrent]

no just don't do +crit dmg perks on weapons ever

[tame lodge]

Omg chiitan hi

Huh, so celerity does replenish all stamina

[mighty anvil]

idk what i did but I appear to have lost my head.

[serene ivy]

any vets can shoot me a hellbore build

[last parcel]

what if i show you my nuts instead

[serene ivy]

[lyric dock]

All 3 Helbores is gonna do you well. General blessings is Surgical + Weight of fire (Helbore 2 can skip this for another blessing because of its naturally fast charge speed). Perks is Manaic + Unyielding (Someone correct me on that)

Helbore 1 and 2 for special attacks have the fast stab which lets it deal with small groups of enemies without too many gripes which does include ragers. Helbore 3 has a much slower overhead swing

[idle swallow]

do you want exe stance or VOC/infil

[lyric dock]

Helbores also have pretty crummy deploy times so it cause some pains when you need to switch to it in a pinch if you're use to snappier weapons like the Laspistols or revolver

[serene ivy]

i mean

ive been meaning to give laspistols a try

heard they are ammo efficient as heck

[autumn perch]

You should

You should try

Try getting some bitches

[lyric dock]

Laspistols are great and pretty ammo efficient indeed

[scarlet path]

FINALLY

I FOUND IT

[serene ivy]

that no longer works on me since i got a boyfriend

[autumn perch]

Get bitches WITH your boyfriend

Double the loot

Think about it

[serene ivy]

now THAT is an idea

[last parcel]

2 goes unarmoured + maniac if you dont run it with executioner's stance
for dreg gunner

[autumn perch]

Maniacs are bugged

[serene ivy]

I'd never use the Mk3 since its special attack is clunky

[lyric dock]

Thanks

[sinful swallow]

A godrolled 2 does feel like one of the best weapons period

[mighty anvil]

Kantreal or Hellbore?

[sinful swallow]

Hellbore

If you were asking about what I was talking about

If you're asking which to pick it depends

[lyric dock]

A good helbore user might as well have a infinite ammo cheat

[sinful swallow]

The 3 sounds so good though

[mighty anvil]

What ranged weapon scales the highest with the players ability to consistantly hit headshots?

[sinful swallow]

Zarona, ciag/aiag, and id make a case for bolter

[serene ivy]

Zarona stub
I am biased and do not consider real data on this

[mighty anvil]

whats ciag/aiag?

[last parcel]

columnus/agripinna infantry autogun

[tall torrent]

Columnus IAG prob

[mighty anvil]

Alright sounds like I need to make a hellbore build

[sinful swallow]

Oh and all the headhunters obviously have good headshot scaling

[mighty anvil]

Onslaught/Surgical is the way to go for Hellbore?

[tall torrent]

And yea if you’re crazy good with headshots, Vraks 7 can be very busted

4 gunners dead in 1 second

[viscid sparrow]

I remember the time when, as a complete newbie who didn't even realize some weapon mks had completely different firing behaviours, decided to try an autogun for the first time.

I had picked a headhunter, despite not even knowing how it worked, because I was just so used to Kantrael Lasguns back then... (this was in the first few weeks/months after launch)

I just held down left click, realized the HH was bad at that kind of thing, and thought "all of the autoguns are bad", because I didn't realize IAGs existed (there was no Brunt's yet)

[mighty anvil]

lol

[umbral scaffold]

is Raking Fire a good blessing? it's attached to a laspistol..

(40% damage when shooting enemies in the back)

[gritty tundra]

what are the best blessings for a power sword?

[crimson pebble]

Brutal momentum power cycler

[slow spade]

Power Cycler + Brutal Momentum

if its a MK3, there's an argument for Sunder + Power Cycler

[sinful swallow]

Power cycler is far and away the most important one it's so night and day on performance

[tame lodge]

It's decent, won't be up most of the time but still usable

[slow spade]

you can basically think of it as "+100% damage" per level you have lol

[sinful swallow]

Brutal helps you cleave bruisers and sunder is good for swiping away hordes of armored guys

[gritty tundra]

what about perks for it?

[slow spade]

Can't go wrong with Flak + Maniac

Carapace if you hate Crushers

[gritty tundra]

I rolled 25% carapace so I guess I should add flak as the 2nd

[slow spade]

I personally suggest Maniac regardless of what you pick

you can always just change what you pick too

so not a big deal

[gritty tundra]

true, thanks

[slow spade]

no problem comrade

for reference, here's what I bring into auric maelstroms

[covert timber]

Khorne 8

[slow spade]

I mean even though they "worship" Nurgle

they are blessed by Khorne regardless UwU

if maniac ragers are just Nurgle berserkers

I do NOT want to see what a Khorne berserker or a bloodletter would do

[mortal orbit]

You'll get more mileage with dumdum, infernus, ghost tbh

But raking is really good on stealth, reduced threat makes it even better. Spec for full grenade:you can toss nades while cloaked and use raking to clean up the stragglers

[clear lantern]

this doesn't even hurt Chii-tan, a greater otter of chaos.

[faint beacon]

Dying on the hill of Headhunter Auto Guns, they have good Finesse so it rewards you for landing headshots. Really damn funny using the “weaker” of the 3 variants the Agri IX and destroying a boss by hitting its head over and over

[clear lantern]

beast of nurgles turns away from you to chase the zealot:
"i'm showing you my buboe, please respond"

[umbral scaffold]

both blessings seem good, which one should i scrap it for

[radiant chasm]

46% damage oof

[somber axle]

Bloodletter to Rampage, Block to Flak I think?

Savage Sweep is good on the IV because the wide heavy swings are so easily accessible to proc it

Oh wait you want to feed it to Hadron

You already have Savage Sweep III

No spyglass symbol on it

[mighty anvil]

Is the Omnissiah on Mars?

[midnight totem]

No. Maybe

[somber axle]

Take Bloodletter if you're putting it in her mouth

[midnight totem]

Depends on who you ask

-puts on glasses-

There are many sects and theologies within the Mechanicus

[mighty anvil]

Is shovel good?

[uncut pebble]

Sapper shovels are great.

They can do lots of 1shots, including crusher 1shots with a bit of setup.

[midnight totem]

Some believe the Emperor is the Omnissiah. Some believe the Emperor is just an avatar, or the foremost avatar of the Omnissiah. Some believe they are completely separate.

[mighty anvil]

https://youtu.be/87ywmONJWwY I'm following this guys build even though its a couple months old

[somber axle]

Some believe his restrictions on technology place him firmly as a false prophet to lead them astray from their ultimate path to unity with their Machine God

[midnight totem]

We don't speak of that heresy

[novel stone]

I'm getting tired of plasma gun what's a good meta gun rn to use in it's place?

Did we decide if the bolt pistol is any good?

[pseudo fiber]

CIAG or Revolver

[novel stone]

Revolver best role is surgical and hand cannon right? Or at least one of the god rolls

[pseudo fiber]

yup

[novel stone]

I used it before but got tired of reloading

[pseudo fiber]

Weapon specialist

[novel stone]

Fair enough

[novel stone]

Would the MK matter

[pseudo fiber]

It feels like weapon specialist was designed for revolver

yes Zarona

[novel stone]

Not for revolver

I use zarona

Agri is aids

[pseudo fiber]

Oh for auto

Mkv

[midnight totem]

If you're not weaving reloads inbetween melee and weapon swapping are you really a revolver user?

[novel stone]

Good got one, whats good blessings should I just use the close kill ones? I don't like em but they seem to be the only ones to work with

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/corey-tonge-thrown-out-of-the-window-thrown-out-the-window-window-thrown-out-gif-3358604718271550337

[midnight totem]

(yes, yes you are, and don't let anybody else tell you differently, I just don't like autoreload)

[novel stone]

I typically use focus target so yeah this was my life for like a month

[pseudo fiber]

dumdum fire frenzy if I'm remembering correctly

[novel stone]

Got dumdum and raking fire so can replace

Thx homie

[pseudo fiber]

Enjoy

[novel stone]

Undertale reference

[sinful swallow]

Bolt pistol is good if you don't try to run it like a revolver

Take my thoughts with a grain though, I'm almost exclusively a boltgun vet

[novel stone]

Boltgun is fun

I tried the bolt pistol with an ok roll once and it was ok

[sinful swallow]

The real sauce on it is Puncture, it gives you one hit breakpoints on a lot of stuff and helps boss damage

[pseudo fiber]

The boltpistol is made worse by the existence of the revolver.

[sinful swallow]

I prefer it with run n gun or close proximity

[gilded wraith]

Dumb question, does a crit string of 2 mean the shot that crits and then the next two shots? Or the shot that crits and one additional shot?