veteran-class

[hearty panther]

it just wont one tap

which is like, a reasonable expectation of all weapons to work around lol

[winged warren]

does focuse target change crusher BP with bpistol at minimum stacks?

[somber axle]

If you need 3 shots to kill one Crusher with your boltpistol your breakpoint is way, way worse than Marksman's Focus with some rending

[hearty panther]

yes from like 4 to 3 or 2 depending on crits and the rest of your build

[somber axle]

4 is so much worse

[hearty panther]

okay but that breakpoint is of benefit to only crushers

[somber axle]

It also helps Mutie breakpoint

And Pox Hound 1HKO

[hearty panther]

whereas focus target nets you one tap and two tap bps on, mutants, gunners, reapers, trappers, flamers, shotgunners

you know

shit you actually are meant to shoot

[somber axle]

Just hit a head once every 6 sec

It's pretty easy to maintain stacks for breakpoints post Marksman's Focus buff tbh

[winter dock]

god fucking damnit man

I had

[winged warren]

i don't want to ping path so
path what you think of my build

[winter dock]

a huge game

[hearty panther]

what's the name of that meme with the gymnast doing an easy cartwheel on a mat and the bottom image is some dude flying through flaming hoops on a jetpack

[somber axle]

The hard part is aiming with the wild sway and recoil of Boltpistol LMFAO

[winter dock]

like actually incredible match with my shiny new kantrael

[somber axle]

The jetpack dude is objectively having more fun

[winter dock]

I could tell my damage was through the roof, tons of resources

fucking out of memory in the very last room -__

[astral ingot]

Mental gymnastics

[hearty panther]

he is also dead and uninsurable

but yeh he probably had a blast on the way out

[winged warren]

wwhat you guys think

[somber axle]

Idk what meme you saw but he survives his routine and probably wins his competition because how do you compete with a dude who does all that LMFAO

The meme is like

[hearty panther]

nothing he did is regulation gymnastics

disqualified

[somber axle]

Excessive amounts of effort

[hearty panther]

you cant bring a jetpack to the high horse

[somber axle]

There's no rule against jetpacks

Read me the rule

[hearty panther]

its obviously performance enhacing and not an instrument of the physical body!!

its a jetpack!!

the rocketeer stopped nazis, he didnt win gymanstics!!

[winter dock]

Confirmed kill is BIS for vet. Its huge amounts of toughness, you can't go without it esp. on higher difficulties where there's like 10+ elites/specials per room and a constant trickle of them nonstop throughout the mission

[somber axle]

This is my service jetpack

They're for my health

[winter dock]

I wouldn't take demo stockpile if you're not running Kraks, either

shredds are aight but I don't think they're good enough to blow 2 talents points getting regen for em

[winged warren]

oh yeah path did tell me to get that before, but exhilirating takedown just seems so much cooler with tdr

[winter dock]

Seee the cool thing is

you take both

headshot kill an elite, get instant 25% toughness, 10% TDR for 8s, and then another 20% over the next few seconds

[winged warren]

i was taking krak for bulwarks but then uh
not enough points.

[hearty panther]

this is whats on my boltpistol tree

two points left over that are melee weapon dependent

you obviously can start from wherever you want at the top

[winged warren]

does shredder kill bulwarks in two nades?

[winter dock]

Focus target by itself isn't really worth it, you need to get the upgrade that gives a persistent damage bonsu when you pop marked stuff

[hearty panther]

good question i never tested that since they got buffed

but they deffo die to krak

[winged warren]

i know that too ;-;

[hearty panther]

and yes dice is right

w/o redirect fire focus target is kinda shit

[winter dock]

cough yet another reason it should be reworked ntirely cough

[hearty panther]

its basically-
start fight, tag one target for 20%
all subsequent targets, only ever get 8%, maybe 12%, single target damage

[somber axle]

Focus Target is ok but like generally you'll be using 2 stacks for most targets in fights after the first ping so unless that 2 stack FT helps hit a breakpoint it's just helping make your ping look fancy

[winter dock]

the actual keystone is ass, and exists only for one of its upgrades

[hearty panther]

with redirect fire-
start fight, tag one target for 20%
maintain a 7.5% damage bonus
all subsequent targets now take 15.5/19.5% damage

[somber axle]

Same deal for Focus Target + Redirect Fire but that's slightly more damage so some builds use that to consistently hit breakpoints

[wicked epoch]

whats the role of the kantrael XII?

[hearty panther]

it shoots heads

[tame lodge]

You will need 4000+ damage

[winter dock]

Yeah, it kills medium-stuff

Shooters, elites/specials/disablers

[somber axle]

DMR?

[wicked epoch]

How about the bolter?

[winter dock]

its a bit shit into armored stuff but it murks bosses decently

[hearty panther]

it shoots heads but EXTREME

[wicked epoch]

Im guessing the recon VI is the “kill everything”

[winter dock]

Bolter kills big stuff

[somber axle]

DMR but you magdump into bosses for funsies

[winter dock]

all 3 recons are kill everything if you build em right

[wicked epoch]

For the bolter, do i just use my chainsword on everything until i see gunners

[somber axle]

Light machine gun

[wicked epoch]

gunners ragers etc

[wooden brook]

is the shock maul any good?

[winter dock]

you use the bolter to kill anything bigger than a shooter

[wicked epoch]

it is

[winter dock]

otherwise you're melee

[wicked epoch]

How do i deal with anything smaller

[winged warren]

i want executioner else i would path agile engagement too @hearty panther

[winter dock]

Melee

[wicked epoch]

My bolter build is exe stance with shredder nades

[winter dock]

If its a shooter, uh, idk waste ammo I guess

or let someone else deal with it

team game

[wicked epoch]

How about if its a fuck ton of ragers and maulers

[winter dock]

if you're the only one shooting shooters that match was dead in the water

You kill those

[winged warren]

but ya dice, whjat you think

[winter dock]

boltgun just magdumps the back

[wicked epoch]

Ok good

[hearty panther]

you dont need deadshot, but sure, thats fine really

[wicked epoch]

Everything below a gunner, melee it

[hearty panther]

i tried to do bistol with xstance and honestly, it just does not need it

[wooden brook]

are there any reco community builds/guides?

[hearty panther]

you dont have enough ammo in the mag to really take advantage of long xstance uptime, and the bistol already draws instantly

[winter dock]

I'd swap the nade regen to also pick up exhilarting and then a value talent somewhere

[winged warren]

oh yeah i have surgical 4

[hearty panther]

you hit a lot of the breakpoints you want with agile engagement

[winter dock]

I can toss you mine if you'd like

[winged warren]

trhats what it feels like sadly

[wooden brook]

for sure

[winter dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9933f5-f867-4ee2-8c40-651028ba0714/recon-las-6

[wooden brook]

I'm trying weapons specialist/commando

[wicked epoch]

Does anyone have a good bolter build?

[hearty panther]

but you CAN take this exact tree and use it for an actual bolter if you want

[wicked epoch]

Im wondering if theres another one i can run

my issues with it is the accuracy

[hearty panther]

yeah take xstance

[wicked epoch]

I am a horrid shot because of the karkin sway

[wicked epoch]

i have it

I just cant justify spamming jt

[wicked epoch]

idk why i cant

[hearty panther]

spamming xstance or the bolter ammo?

[winter dock]

my favorite bolter build is to take infiltrate and all 3 of the +damage on ability use buttons

[wicked epoch]

Mix of both

[winter dock]

and then if I see a big thing I hit infil and magdump with +50% damage

[winged warren]

ads bolter though, right?

[winter dock]

good bolter is a mix of ads and hip, as needed

[wicked epoch]

I usually save xstance for when theres a whole horde of melee elites

[wicked epoch]

what is this build for

[winged warren]

when do you hip?

[winter dock]

Big stuff that takes more than 1 shot to kill

so basically ragers and up

[somber axle]

OH ARE WE DOING TREES?

[wooden brook]

rco

[wicked epoch]

i need a good bolter tree

[winged warren]

including crushers?

[wicked epoch]

neato

[winter dock]

Absolute yeah

you magdump a crushers face

[wicked epoch]

especially crushers

[winged warren]

i remember NOT using this build for bolterr because i was told that basically zealot ran magdump bolter better

[winter dock]

You want Cavalcade and Pinning fire (or any +damage blessing, as long as you can get it set up)

but cavalcade is huge

lol

someone post the clip of the vet bolter one-clipping a plogryn

[winter dock]

a damnation plogryn

[wicked epoch]

I have gloryhunter on mine

[winter dock]

The blessings don't go well together, but they're not terrible

Surgical is alright, its like 10-20% free crit if you're consistently ADSing stuff but spending ammo on shooters is painful

Cavalcade with Shattering impact is goood

Gloryhunter is great yeah

its confirmed kill light

but stacks

[wicked epoch]

so what should i add with glory hunter

[winter dock]

Cavalcade

Run cavalcade on bolter, basically always

[wicked epoch]

replace surgical with cavalcade then

[winter dock]

it exists to magdump heavy units

yep

[wicked epoch]

time to boot up the pc for gambling

[winter dock]

for perks you always want reload speed

[wicked epoch]

I played a whole 11 hours today damnit

[winter dock]

basically anything else is fine, I personally like crit damage

[winged warren]

eh, if im not running marksman, do i get any extra damage from perks when i magdump

[wicked epoch]

Whats a good tree?

[winter dock]

but lots of peeps will use the extra perk to specialize into stuff

[hard cave]

Can you get surgical on a plasma gun?

[winter dock]

I WISH

but no

Also for some dumb reason they made charging cost 9 ammo so its only actual use is for shooting through a train of small stuffs

[hard cave]

That would be awesome with that one perk that uses stamina when aiming

[winter dock]

if only that worked for plas too

t.t

[hearty panther]

charge shot plasma has legitimately a single use case

[winter dock]

but noOOoOOooOo

[hard cave]

it unironically makes every shot count so fucking easy

[hearty panther]

4+ maulers in a line

thats it

thats the only time using it makes sense

[wicked epoch]

Do you have a good tree for that bolter?

[hard cave]

IT DOESNT WORK FOR PLASMA???

[winter dock]

It doesn't

😦

[hard cave]

WHAT THE FUCK

[hearty panther]

you cant 'aim down sight' a plasma

[winter dock]

Charging plasma's use case is there is more than 3 units standing in a line

[hard cave]

ive been solely running it on my weapon specialist build

[hearty panther]

not like it needs the buff

[hard cave]

I'm fucking crying

[winter dock]

SEE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF THATS WHAT THE TALENT SAID

[somber axle]

You can 1HKO a Bulwark through their shield with a charged shot but no one wants to do that so they just spam it down or wait for it to melee swing and shoot the face

[winter dock]

"ALT FIRE"

[hearty panther]

its consistent with every other 'braced' weapon

[winter dock]

FUCK YOU FATSHARK

[hard cave]

alt fire,,,,

[winter dock]

but NO it means ADS

[winter dock]

oh yeah that too

It can also onetap multiple ogryns if you have the right setup and the stars aligned

[hard cave]

I hope it actually gets fixed meaning all alt fire or correct the text to what it represents

[hearty panther]

left click does 1/3 of the damage but you can stack blaze away reasonably well while still getting 20 cleave

[wicked epoch]

so atm i have pinning fire and glory hunter

[somber axle]

I was spamming shots for Gets Hot to force the crit but I just noticed it doesn't need the crit LOL

[hearty panther]

so it is very much just the case that when maulers are in a giant line, you can charge shot to delete the group of them

[winter dock]

left click damage is close to half I thought

[hearty panther]

but there is otherwise no point

nah its exactly 1/3

a charge shot is just three shots stuffed together

[hard cave]

also on the topic of plasma guns, is this good?

[hearty panther]

in every sense

[winter dock]

Oh huh

slightly less than 3x actually

I see

[hearty panther]

except charged shots make you lose out on blaze away stacks

so you actually lose out

seriously, fix plasma gun lol

its a fucking mess

[winter dock]

Gets Hot with chargeshot spam is great

[lusty sapphire]

Shattering a bit useless but it's not bad

[winter dock]

you can one-tick the cooldown

[somber axle]

Stats are good, Gets Hot is good, Shattering Impact isn't good

[winter dock]

and get off a full charger if you have at least 66% charge rate

and max thermal res

[hard cave]

Doesn't shattering effect bosses?

[winter dock]

which I do

[somber axle]

Depending on your talent tree you might need Elite? but I forgor

[winter dock]

the issue with shatter on plasma is fire rate

this gun is only ever gonna hit bosses or maybe an ogryn multiple times

[somber axle]

if you're not doing the Voice of Command + Focus Target and Redirect Fire thing for breakpoints you're probably ok

[winter dock]

so the brittles is only rarely relevant

[hard cave]

I run it with weapon specialist

[winter dock]

weapon spec plasma is a thought and a half

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah but having a whole ass blessing just for the eventuality of meeting bosses

[winter dock]

hmm

[somber axle]

I think that's what Mr. Craime uses with his Plasma

I know Numbers Cat prefers Focus Target + Redirect Fire for their Plasma

[hard cave]

that or any high priority target that gets penned in a group and survives

[winter dock]

oh hell yeah wait

[somber axle]

and then there's one guy somewhere around here who swears by Marksman's Focus + Plasma

[winter dock]

weapon spec with plasma is great

not just free crits but you can use it to literally never reload

[hard cave]

I'm not running that passive lmao

[hard cave]

mainly because of this

[somber axle]

Yeah I wouldn't do Marksman's Focus with Plasma

it feels weird

[winter dock]

rn I dont run any keysone on my plasma

I just go for value points

[hard cave]

also what knife is a good one for vet

[winter dock]

Yes

[hard cave]

and how do u build it w weapon specialist in mind,,z

[winter dock]

You take the knife, and you stab things with it

its a very flexible melee, takes almost nothing to set up or support

its kind of like shovel in that regard

[hearty panther]

vet tree is so fucking cracked that you can literally run anything you want

vet made mercy killer a respectable blessing

[winter dock]

Yeah, it took some growing on me for me to see it

and bugfixes

lots of bugfixes

[hearty panther]

truly a feat

[winter dock]

I still hate focus fire tho

I always will

[hearty panther]

its very boring

[winter dock]

Nix it. Remove it. Get rid of it. Bomb them

[winter dock]

(but in seriousness I personally favor the original, the Mk 3; new one is def good too tho)

I take uncanny exectuor and just level my knife at about head height and swing away at a horde

then hard shank a crusher and watch it pop

[wicked epoch]

can someone hop in a vc with me and tell me which bolter i should upgrade

i did gambling

got fuck ton

[winter dock]

just snip em here

or is it like alot

[wicked epoch]

a l o t

[winter dock]

her just go into strike 1

[wicked epoch]

in

[winter dock]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1030392603029557308

[marble mantle]

I prefer the second one. Think it’s 6?

[last parcel]

yes 6

[winged warren]

build doesnm

't feel very good

[last parcel]

give it hot tea and rice congee

[winged warren]

im going back to weapon spec

[winter dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9984f8-6544-4860-8be3-5f16f068ae31/boltgun-5

@wicked epoch

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

SYMMETRICAL

[hard cave]

wha

no ,,,

[lusty sapphire]

Demo instead of competitive would make this a lot better

[serene bough]

I hate this

[last parcel]

they call me born leader

[hard cave]

"I'm a vet main, how'd you know?"

[carmine cradle]

the only one even worth considering is really the one that gives extra ranged damage when getting kills

to reach a few breakpoints

and, ok, i guess maybe the melee one

generally not a fan of vet's middle keystone

[winter dock]

same, I really hate it

[marble mantle]

I mean it’s great it’s just a little boring

MF is my least favorite.

[muted knot]

i feel sick for investing in a recon but will this do ?

[trim hemlock]

Yeah, definitely

[somber axle]

Swap Infernus to Headhunter imo. You can keep Carapace if you want to go all in on Crusher killing memes but otherwise swap Carapace to Maniac, Crit Chance or Unyielding

Very good roll though!

[blazing fossil]

Which recon lasgun should I invest in?

[midnight totem]

All of them

One in each hand

Last one strapped to your teeth

[clear lantern]

backpack rover

[tame lodge]

3 recon style

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/lasers-concert-lights-gif-5102526

I wonder if there are blue laser beams in 40k. I only ever seen them for lascannons

[somber axle]

Unironically they're all good picks now after the recent buffs. The Recon Mk VId is the most ammo thirsty of the variants (and imo the most fun) so it's the only one I warn against for people wanting to try them out. Go Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa for your first Recon. Probably Recon Mk VIIa because I think the average player will enjoy the Recon Mk VIIa's cleave more vs the slightly higher single target DPS and better ammo economy of the Recon Mk II

[somber axle]

Don't Tau shoot blue beams?

https://tenor.com/view/commander-farsight-warhammer40k-tau-empire-tau-gif-16294167

[midnight totem]

Yeah but the Tau are filthy xenos

[clear lantern]

Commander Farsight propaganda

[somber axle]

But they have Ramen noodles!

Ramen noodles are better than corpse starch

[midnight totem]

Maybe you're rig- NAY. I see you, witch! Temptress!

Commissar this one over here

[clear lantern]

this raises morale, and the guard shoots faster

[serene bough]

Lasguns can shoot different colored beams

Red is just the most common I guess

[clear lantern]

red wunz shoot fasta cries the mek boy

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/nishiki-nishikiyama-shoot-shooting-die-gif-3150317105408931899

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-jerr-mou-car-gif-25260301

My brain looking out through the holes in my skull looking for where the next shot is coming from

[somber axle]

Something something... SNIPER!!

[winter dock]

Infernus IV is the minimum to make that perk work, you need 12 stacks of fire for the damage to be appreciable

[terse idol]

well and you may need headhunter

[winter dock]

yes headhunter is also god-tier, close to mandatory

[hard cave]

Whats head hunter again

[odd sparrow]

gain crit chance on headshot, resets on crit

[hard cave]

oh

ok sweet yeah I have that on mine

[hard cave]

nwn

this makes me crave to be called things, I hate it

[hollow ibex]

This is why fatsharts next game won't have modding

[hard cave]

guh

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[serene bough]

Lore accurate

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250

[tame lodge]

"You heard that, the Emperor doesn't want me to think"
-Loose Cannon

[faint beacon]

I cannot begin to explain how much I fucking HATE IT when you upload a blessing as an example and it’s this text

Sheer Malice

Hatred

[astral ingot]

Dumdum infernus is the way to go on accatrans if you go that route

[clear lantern]

too far

[last parcel]

s s sowwy

[earnest dirge]

gamers rate this out of 10

[gilded rock]

lore accurate pre-buff/10

[earnest dirge]

okay thanks

[midnight totem]

5

[somber axle]

Feed it to Hadron for the blessing and watch her choke on it

https://tenor.com/view/cough-idris-elba-so-spicy-hot-ones-gif-16601048

[grand perch]

choke me harder omnissiah daddy

[tame lodge]

She's about to tell that her respiratory system is superior and therefore can't be choked

Get real

[somber axle]

"I can't be choked" words said just before being choked

[faint beacon]

Praying for the day I get a 0% stability HHA

Why? I hate myself that’s why

[heavy rover]

actual flashlight

[limpid turtle]

Mommy hadron cooked for once...

[last parcel]

executioner's stance mfs eating good

[limpid turtle]

Damage is a valid dump stat no?

Just shoot the enemy more, bro.

[grim widget]

all i want for christmas is infernus iv

this worth upgrading? don't know how important stability is.

[tall torrent]

It’s usable
Stability doesn’t matter much for Helbore

[limpid turtle]

Ammo isnt as important on Helbores imo

80 Dmg, Charge rate and Stop power is amazing

Stability is shit anyway

[grim widget]

surgical still really good for these? what blessings/perks i guess

[limpid turtle]

Surgical is free crit chance for just ADSing

even if you rapid fire you get like 20% more crit just by pressing RMB

[lusty sapphire]

Surgical/ sustained fire or surg/weight of fire

[grim widget]

surgical + no respite/infernus then?

[lusty sapphire]

Both work imo

[lusty sapphire]

No respite relies on targets getting faltered but that also means that you won't be able to properly hit heads with it

[limpid turtle]

i think weight of fire is not worth it with a 80 charge rate mk2

Infernus is free damage

[lusty sapphire]

Most likely

[blazing fossil]

Decent or nah?

[lusty sapphire]

Sustained fire is even more free dmg

[grim widget]

gotcha, the only part i don't like is i've been farming for infernus iv for ages lol.

[lusty sapphire]

it holds untill you realease your shot. So you can shoot once, charge a bit while picking targets for the 2nd and 3rd shot

[limpid turtle]

I can even say that Weight of fire might hurt your dps even

Since you would get less surgical stacks

straight up less crits

[tame lodge]

Good stats
Maniacs is aight
Everything else is nah or could have been better

[lusty sapphire]

Debatable. Sometimes you just need to get your shots out you know. That's when it helps

Line of 8 gunners?

No problemo

[limpid turtle]

Yeah

its a give or take situation

Needs more concrete testing

[grim widget]

shit you guys are so helpful its crazy

[lusty sapphire]

I mean surgical is a must. You gotta check out which other blessing you vibe better with

[somber axle]

Ok so there are two ways to build a Helbore Mk II

Voice of Command/Infiltrate style requiring Unarmoured/Maniac weapon perks to hit the Dreg Gunner and both Flamer 1HKO breakpoints

OR

Executioner's Stance letting you comfortably hit both previously mentioned breakpoints without those perks meaning you can keep Carapace and bring down Crusher breakpoint

For the VoC/Infil build you will normally require 5-7+ shots depending on your Helbore Mk II and talent tree

With Exe Stance + Carapace perk you get a reliable 2HKO (and if you decide to ignore some of the damage talents in the tree it comes down to a 3HKO) which is massive and turns it into proper Crusher killing machine

[limpid turtle]

True

[hard cave]

Whats the best recon gun

[somber axle]

Surgical is mandatory. Falter is the worst blessing possible get rid of it. It does literally nothing on the Helbores

[radiant chasm]

7a

[limpid turtle]

infernus is straight up more DPS if you get lucky

[somber axle]

No Respite doesn't help on any breakpoints afaik

[limpid turtle]

and weight of fire is more consistent DPS

[somber axle]

Infernus is only a slight increase on boss DPS

[hard cave]

Isn't 7a rate of fire lower?

[somber axle]

Weight of Fire is my personal choice for 2nd blessing

The speed you can fire with Weight of Fire on a Helbore Mk II is addictive LOL

[limpid turtle]

Ik, it was the base gun i got after mommy hadron fiddled with it

I'm going to get rid of it and i'll see afterwards

[lusty sapphire]

I got I think a couple of mk2s that were almost perfect

But gambling am i right?

[somber axle]

Exe Stance is just so, so good on the Helbore Mk II but if you choose not to go Exe Stance you need Unarmoured and Maniac perks

[lusty sapphire]

If you got exe + deadshot + target down you get so much free crit and infinite stam

[lusty sapphire]

Pretty good, very nice

[limpid turtle]

Jesus fuck...

If that was a Columnus i would've said you had the best weapon you could ever have.

[lusty sapphire]

Agripina is not bad. Columnus is just overtuned

Agri hs are insane

[last parcel]

the only one i've found is shotgunner bayonet oneshot when leaving infiltrate/voc with for the emperor, desperado, and superiority complex but not cqkz
and it wont work unless you break stealth first

[lusty sapphire]

That's a long list of talents for a result that i could achieve from shooting the shotgunner in the face from 40m

[radiant chasm]

Has cleave and has most damage per shot

[lusty sapphire]

Does manstopper cause full bore not to work on the agri shotgun?

[radiant chasm]

Go dum dum and headhunter

[radiant chasm]

It shouldn’t

[lusty sapphire]

Niiice

[radiant chasm]

At least not with special round

[lusty sapphire]

I wanna use that on my weapon specialist build

No double barrel yet so combat shotguns will have to do

[somber axle]

LMFAO finally a use for suppression to help hit breakpoints

[hollow warren]

I've never noticed before that the Kantrael lasguns have a unique firing animation when they crit

at least the MG IV has this

checked the MG Ia and doesn't look like it has the fancy flash during crit attacks

[white minnow]

most guns should have an increased muzzle flash on crit, much to my annoyance because it also blinds you

[hearty panther]

recons lol

[limpid turtle]

I cant see shit when i am firing my autoguns to begin with

Doesnt make much a diffrence to me

I see red, i shoot. Emperor guides my bullets anyway.

[lusty sapphire]

Every weapon in the game does

[hollow warren]

guess I haven't noticed after 600+ hours

the crit animation on the Kantrael MG IV is the most obvious, looks like it

[blazing fossil]

Good drop?

[arctic rampart]

Nope, it's a headhunter 😄 JKJK

[last parcel]

if you fuck with headhunters, yes

[upper dock]

What do people do to get dockets? I am always so broke? Do people just farm the twins?

[tame lodge]

Auric damnation

[pseudo fiber]

Auric big money

[faint beacon]

Okay so

[pseudo fiber]

and also +10% dockets curios

[faint beacon]

Auric Damnation

And 10% ordo docket curios

60k per mission

Cash money

[somber axle]

Auric Damnation quickplay and sometimes Maelstroms if there is a fun one in rotation

[upper dock]

Well. I am not good enough for Auric in the slightest. I fail like 19 of 20 T4 missions

[wraith locust]

just jump right in

the majority of ppl that play auric arent good enough either

[tall torrent]

Practice melee combat more

[upper dock]

I have done a few hitless heresy and damnation and basically always get top kills but I could never do auric. I still fail T3-T5 missions on the regular. No point in bringing down a team of people trying auric

[wraith locust]

failing is part of getting comfortable

trust me you arent bringing anyone down

[gilded rock]

What is usually the thing that kills you most often?

[upper dock]

I did a heresy mission earlier today and someone went down like 5 or 6 times and got 21 kills at the end. Like that can't be fun... why waste 3 other people's time.

[upper dock]

Crusher or Ragers when I am not paying attention. Then spam hitting Q and not being able to swap weapons and I back myself into a corner and get killed

[gilded rock]

Random rager swarm will catch you off guard, yeah

What's your loadout?

[upper dock]

I change it up most missions. My favorite gun is the recon and I use the old chain sword or the old power sword. Onslaught and VoC are my always select nodes. I have builds for plasma but I hate the delay. I mostly use recon, mk5 ia, mk1 ia, or mk12 las.

[drowsy aspen]

If melee is giving you trouble, I might recommend playing Ogryn

Your big hitbox means you'll need to get good at dodging, but your huge health and toughness provides a tremendous margin of error

[upper dock]

I like melee. Attack speed and weapon master keystone makes melee fun.

[tall torrent]

Do u lean very heavily into ranged combat and avoid melee if possible

[gilded rock]

Sounds like your builds are mostly diversified enough but I recommend bringing at least something for anything in the game

[upper dock]

yes. so no ammo would crush me. I like melee but gunplay is what I like most about this game

[gilded rock]

Krak grenades are amazing into crusher/mauler groups

[tall torrent]

What your most confident build/loadout as of now

[gilded rock]

Will kill one, maybe two, rarely three if lucky but will stagger and damage all others around it

[drowsy aspen]

Keep on the Power Sword train for now is what I'd say

There is not a single enemy in the game that the Power Sword doesn't let you fight effectively

[gilded rock]

Both chord and psword are good for recons to make up for cara/boss damage

[drowsy aspen]

Ye ye

[tall torrent]

Chainsword is not good carapace Dmg

[drowsy aspen]

...recon doesn't do good boss damage?

[upper dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9a3984-9866-4f7c-bd13-cfd89bd0af8e/for-discord?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[gilded rock]

It's not amazing but it'll work decently with carapace perk, especially with bloodletter

Cleave perk and bloodletter hits a few decent breakpoints

[upper dock]

recon melts bosses with onslaught node. Also dum dum and infernus.

[tall torrent]

This is for recon lasgun?

[upper dock]

yes recon and chain sword or power sword (I change it up)

[tall torrent]

You might want to tweak a lot of things in there

Not having any +toughness gain talents is uh

One of the choices of all time

[upper dock]

I just spam voc when I get low. I like reload speed but I know it is not ideal

[gilded rock]

I recommend going through the middle path at the top for confirmed kill, getting exhilarating takedown if possible since you like ranged a lot, and going focus target instead of weapon specialist

Focus target more consistent value if you're leaning ranged especially with the target down upgrade

[tall torrent]

+toughness gain talents help keep u in gold toughness more consistently when u get hit

Do u really need onslaught

[gilded rock]

One bit of advice, sticking to ranged when you can is perfectly fine as long as you're not being wasteful, but do keep in mind what your gun can and can not do.

Like you will never want to shoot crushers with a recon unless you're doing the funny Sneaky meme build

[upper dock]

it's more a crutch for killing crushers and maulers. A lot faster than throwing a krak or swapping to psword and push attacking. I do throw krak but for singles I would rather just shoot em

[tall torrent]

I don’t see how it can be faster than krak / power sword

[gilded rock]

Which recon are you using?

[drowsy aspen]

Weapon Specialist is so good tho

[upper dock]

vld. Onslaught, dum dum, infernus. it kills MUCH faster than it takes for a krak to explode. I know krak is more efficient though it's just slow

[drowsy aspen]

20% toughness on weapon swap makes you so tenacious in melee

[somber axle]

I do a similar talent tree for my Recon Mk VId tbh but instead I grab Close Order Drill and Confirmed Kill near the top

[tall torrent]

Show me

[somber axle]

I also get Rending Strikes

You could save some points in the talent tree going straight down middle from kraks into fire team to voice of command that will afford you a few other options

[somber axle]

Surv Aura is nice to have but the talent tax is keeping you from Rending Strikes which makes Onslaught feel so much better vs Maulers and Crushers

[tall torrent]

Show a recording or smth

[upper dock]

frame 2

[tall torrent]

Ok buddy u do u

[upper dock]

I could do that. 5% damage isn't a terrible node

[tall torrent]

He prioritizes ranged combat whenever possible so survivalist is fine

[somber axle]

Yeah so do I LOL

I like using my Recon for bosses, specials, elites and most importantly Crusher melting

[tall torrent]

He doesn’t seem like he needs advice anyways

[upper dock]

Saaaaaaame

I was just saying my situational awareness and positioning are stopping me from trying auric. I can do hitless damnation and get most kills on most runs. I just crumble under pressure when people die I am not going to clutch for sure.

Getting better at that and focusing more on melee would for sure make me better though

[somber axle]

What curios are you running?

Are you doing the HP breakpoint thing?

You want +34% HP collectively between all sources of HP. You need at least 1 HP curio to do it but you can more comfortably do it with 2

200 HP lets you eat multiple poxbursters without going down/dying

If you also get one +20% sniper resist perk with that HP breakpoint you can eat multiple sniper shots without going down too

[upper dock]

All 80 base curios, 2 toughness 1 hp. 5% toughness and HP on every one of them. Those were more the rolls than me picking the stats I don't have any plasteel

[somber axle]

The improvement to general survivability might help you hang in the fight longer

That should be enough for the HP breakpoint then

+21% HP curio, +5% HP perk x 3

Try swapping your top talents to Confirmed Kill/Close Order Drill or try out Out for Blood instead of Tactical Reload

Out for Blood with Chainsword blender mode buffed by the melee attack speed from Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist is insanely fun

[pseudo fiber]

is flak maniac best perk wise on shock mauls?

[stable oak]

hello vets

what is your verdict

just melked onto me

[rapid palm]

certinly usable

could also rip the tier 4 surgical off and save for crafting update

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah that's good.

[ancient path]

did they buff the head hunter weapons yet?

[shadow dagger]

how close is close range

for the purposes of perk descriptions and such

or is a per perk basis

blessing

[upper dock]

25m according to the youtube video I just watched

[hearty panther]

its 12.5m

[umbral scaffold]

Goated

[tall torrent]

12.5m

[tame lodge]

What kind of buff?

[normal lily]

Bolter (not pistol) or Plasma for 30+ missions?

[midnight totem]

wonder what slop we'll get tomorrow

[umbral scaffold]

Corpse starch

[umbral scaffold]

Plasma is the nobrane weapon, so technically that

[shadow dagger]

30+? whats that supposed to mean

[serene bough]

Is good, just swap infernus and elite dmg

[last parcel]

i'd assume auric since that unlocks at lvl 30

[ancient path]

yknow thats a good question lol.

[tame lodge]

Well then

Some cleave would be nice

Or even less recoil

[hybrid torrent]

Fatshark blessed headhunters with ghost hits a couple patches ago. Feels shitty to land a headshot, hear and see the shot land on the head, and the server rejects the shots. This is really bad with the vraks mk7 since it has a small-ish magazine.

[hybrid torrent]

Also, opening salvo on headhunters lets the first shot cleave through any lesser shooter. You can get twofers with a vraks mk 7 with opening salvo, assuming the server doesn't reject your shot.

[terse idol]

Hit reg always been a problem

[terse idol]

Lastly ill complain to say

Just don't run first salvo

[last parcel]

you can’t stop me

[hybrid torrent]

Its a solid dps boost for vraks mk 7, but the other two... less so. Only reason to run it on the agripinaa headhunter is if you wanna stop ragers combo attacking while using it in conjunction with Falter

[last parcel]

this is the first time i’ve heard of falter actually doing anything

i need to try that to horrify my squadmates

[terse idol]

I mean I just don't know why you wouldn't just run surgical and Deadly accurate

Like, why stop the ragers from attacking with falter when you can just 1 or 2 tap headshot em?

With DA

[tame lodge]

🅱️ash

[faint beacon]

I have very funny news, my friend made Captain Wolfer on their Miitopia run

I can send it if you want to see him

[vale ledge]

Can plasma gun have a dice roll on when it explodes instead of overheat, just imagine first shot and it’s a nuclear detonation on yourself

[umbral scaffold]

Opening salvo is poggers

Opening salvo with headhunter is poggerer

[vale ledge]

Like I want the plasma gun to be a literal dice roll when shooting

Same with Psyker I want psychic phenomena happening if you got a Psyker

[faint beacon]

Can it just blow up upon equiping it

[vale ledge]

Nah ya gotta actually shoot it if you wanna kaboom

[faint beacon]

Oh I know

Im just saying the moment you equip it

can it just fucking explode pretty pretty please

[hybrid torrent]

Try that combo when ragers aggroing on you are in melee range. Also, opening salvo on vraks 7 can reach mutie one tap on vet if the vraks 7 is built right.

[tall torrent]

Funny but pretty bad for gameplay

[vale ledge]

Like if you have a Psyker consistently blasting warp fire I want there to be a chance where psychic apparitions occur throughout the game. Nothing like warpspawn shit but like humanoid shapes lurking in the darkness or maybe a nurgling cackling quietly at you out of reach or something like that

[somber axle]

actual enemies visible only to the psyker and as soon as you can see them they can see you

no one else has any idea what's beating the shit out of the psyker but it will be really funny to watch

[umbral scaffold]

I would love that

Fuck it, make invisible enemies the psyker needs to edge to see

And they hit your friends

Watch every party roll with a psyker like it's pre-nerf survivalist

[somber axle]

Peril edging becomes a dangerous game

Tbh idk how any of the warp shenanigans work yet

I was just ripping the idea from SCP 513

[vale ledge]

Nah not that it would be kinda unfair in some degree

[midnight totem]

Psykers when they blow up

Have a 50 percent chance to become an active daemonhost

[vale ledge]

Nah just a 5% chance for a perilous warp phenomenon to occur

More like a drastic boost in corruption instead of kaboom

Or maybe even like the Psyker using every ounce of willpower he has to subdue the corruption stunning him for like 10-15 seconds as he suppressed his/her abilities as bolts of lightning arced from him damaging both enemy and ally alike

[umbral scaffold]

Arts degree

[vale ledge]

Maybe even (a step further)
If you have psychic shriek and your “quelling an overload” you can use shriek to perform a “mass ventilation” causing it to be a massive aoe instead of a generic cone shaped blast

[tiny summit]

insert fart reverb

[last parcel]

last chance to look at me melk

[bitter cliff]

praise be gentelmen I DID IT

[lucid hinge]

hol up

what the fuck is that mod

[pallid jetty]

now just hear me out...

[wicked epoch]

How do i get the visor for the guard helm with ftd?

[faint beacon]

It makes me upset everytime they post it

[real pumice]

Hi, I made a post about an idea I had for Voice of Command on the subreddit. But I thought I'd post it here also in case people here had interest. Especially as you guys tend to have better informed opinions overall than the subreddit 😄 https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1ebk8u7/idea_for_voice_of_command/?

[radiant chasm]

i disagree with the target one player, i could see that being part of the pick up downed player extension node, but buffing an individual outside of stimms is a no no for how this game is designed

being a wide team buff means the power can be toned down and spread between the players

if you have individual, targeted buffs, you'll have weird comps where it's just 3 support vets shouting at one other person

[winter grove]

3 vets shouting at ogryn to do better

[faint beacon]

Our quickest solution for a VOC nerf was

[real pumice]

Thank you for the feedback. I see what you are saying. I would say though that, at least in my experience, players don't co ordinate their builds to that extent. That is my experience as a pub player though @radiant chasm

[faint beacon]

change the Golden Toughness to 50-35% TDR on shout

But I seriously think the nodes need to be reworked as well

[winter grove]

Honestly it's still insane how tanky vet is

[real pumice]

Yeah. There are definitely easier ways to nerf VoC. This was just something I thought would be more interesting and fit with the archetype more

[faint beacon]

TDR, is overall better than Golden

reason

you still get chipped at HP instead of just going

[winter grove]

Sure it's hard to kill an ogryn but deploy enough gunners and ogryns crumble

[faint beacon]

Nuh-uh

[winter grove]

And aurics really love having 10 gunners in same room

[faint beacon]

Correct

I know another reason as to why people tend to live in scenarios like that as well

sliding

sliding is a bit of an issue

For the longest time I thought it just Decreased their accuracy when you slid

no it straight up makes you immune

to Ranged attacks at least not melee

[wicked epoch]

can someone teach me how to use ftd lol

[warm swallow]

i like revolver but reload speed and mag size hurts

[tall torrent]

Easiest way is to just reduce gold toughness duration and increase CDR (also nerf tac awareness)

[warm swallow]

granted im rank 8 so it will probably get better

[tall torrent]

Give it 40s CD (+10s) with like, 8s duration (-7s)

[warm swallow]

but damn

[tall torrent]

That’ll make it a bit better

The bigger problem with VoC is that veteran tree is not balanced in terms of choosing ur ability

It’s basically always more point efficient to take VoC

Exe stance has to take 1 from 2 much inferior talents for pathing

And infil still wants demo stockpile for grenade regen so that’s extra 2 point cost

[terse idol]

agaiiinn

This is why I'm saying

Why not just run Surgical + DA

[lucid hinge]

honestly the modders discord is prob the place to ask

[terse idol]

Or head hunter + DA

you're using falter

For 1 use

to stagger ragers

[lucid hinge]

they have a thread just for th FTD

[wicked epoch]

Place is all quiet

[terse idol]

DA is applicable everytime you crit

on a headshot

[faint beacon]

This one is interesting even though I have it, its- Fun nonetheless

its more so if you can spam click on heads vs

Focusing and aiming

[warm swallow]

if im making a build i want to use hh on for vet whats a good middle tier

[tall torrent]

Vraks 3

Headhunter + DA

[radiant chasm]

mk3 and mk7 are imo really different in playstyle so it depends

[faint beacon]

The end all be all "Good on all" head hunters blessing combo is Headhunter + Deadly Accurate

[radiant chasm]

they only have one blessing difference but damn do they feel

[faint beacon]

if you want to really test yourself

[warm swallow]

which one is best here

[faint beacon]

use the Agri IX

[radiant chasm]

survivalist for sure

[warm swallow]

im kinda leaning towards specilist

yeah that one

the build so far

im level 8

[lucid hinge]

go to survivalist then go to volley fire (?) for HH ngl

[warm swallow]

thats kinda what i was planning

im guessing util isnt really smth i need to worry about

[tall torrent]

Level up further
U can’t rly do full builds without having enough talent points for them

[warm swallow]

im just using karak cuz it kinda fucks

[lucid hinge]

kraks are great just make sure to grab the nade every 60s node

[idle pecan]

Surv by far, middle one is alright and useful if you need to meet a breakpoint, right one is a joke lmao

[warm swallow]

ik im just tryna plan out my build

i forget how squish 0 curros is

[faint beacon]

Bro

that is actually depressing

Morrow said one word

immediately "You have failed the emperor"

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[fiery wave]

Nooo

[warm swallow]

you cant stop me

[lean bloom]

Best guns for voragine auric missions?

[tame lodge]

Plasma
Ciag V
Zarona

That doesn't necessarily mean that any other gun is bad on Auric and whatever

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean

vets in a pretty dope state currently in terms of power level

so many ranged weapons feel very good right now

[tame lodge]

Indeed, I'm so glad that the recons are back

Even though I don't use them

[warm swallow]

i take this one right?

[austere mica]

For what

[tame lodge]

Popular pick is voice of command

[austere mica]

But VoC is boring

[warm swallow]

for hh

[tame lodge]

Oh yeah Exec goes well with it

Or at least fits the marksman theme

[main stirrup]

Anybody know what outfit this is?

[austere mica]

Rogue trader top and commissar cap

[main stirrup]

Damn. I need that outfit once it comes out again

[somber axle]

Chest piece is Rogue Traders

Pants too I think?

[main stirrup]

The boots look pretty... "pirate-y" so probably

[somber axle]

yeah that's Rogue Traders

Hat is just one of the random hats you find in the side panel

not linked to any set in particular

[fiery wave]

I missed the stupid frilly thing for psyker again

[median badge]

Is this a decent plas?

[rigid pilot]

Yes

Neither are "BIS" blessings but

[flat crypt]

Just out of curiosity, anyone else here just avoiding using plasma because it feels too... good?

[cyan vale]

https://tenor.com/view/no-saltzpyre-gif-3758055130217920575

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-finished-with-you-space-marine-captain-titus-ultramarines-plasma-pistol-gif-25478276

[rigid pilot]

Plasma brrt

I mainly play weapon spec so rarely I take out plasma

Even though I have a weapon spec plasma build I rarely use it

[cyan vale]

Good for maelstrom

[rigid pilot]

Definitely

[cyan vale]

the plasma gun is what the power sword is to the vet

so good

overall

[flat crypt]

main reason why i don't really use either 😅

[limpid turtle]

I mean, its the best way to deal with everything with almost reliable 1HTK's

[rigid pilot]

I use peesword when I run cope ranged weapon, and vice versa

If I run standard shovel I'll get a plasma

[muted knot]

Yeah

[flat crypt]

I'm just a lowly reject, i use the cheapest junk salvage teams have found and taken from corpses

[muted knot]

Id rather Play psyker than Run Another Game of VoC, Plasma,Peesword

And that says a Lot

[limpid turtle]

• Frags

[spring cloud]

You're acting like they're only one valid class of veteran.

The shooty veterans are perfectly acceptable and not at all...ok nevermind.

Stealth vets are also, well they exist.

[grand perch]

the trick is to realise you can use whatever the kark you like

except shredder, ofc

darktide police comes round when you use shredder on vet

[placid portal]

why use shredda when graia brauto exist?

[flat crypt]

Shredder is pretty much the only gun in the game for me that really hasn't found it's place so to speak on any class. Every once in a while i do some hadron lottery and try out different setups but it just won't "click" the way i'd like. I know it's supposed to be a crowdcontrol tool and not an allmighty killing machine but still...

[limpid turtle]

Stealth Vet is basically just utility honestly

VOC is too good not to take as an ability

Volley Fire vet is good DPS and is a valid way to run Vet if you have some teammates to protect you

[frank ether]

I disagree on this

I've never heard anyone say kruber ult is boring

but somehow voice of command is ''boring'' because its cool to hate on popular shit or something?

[trim hemlock]

Boring - yes. Effective? Definitely,

It’s universal in dimensions that ES or Infiltrate aren’t

[frank ether]

your alternatives are the ult that makes you weapon swap and the ult that makes enemies ignore you, so in a sense VoC is the only ult that interacts with the rest of the game at all and you call it boring lmao.

Is it boring because its strong because then you find being strong boring, not the ult

[limpid turtle]

Its just a shove + a bunch of steroids

Damage, Toughness ect

[frank ether]

Yes, its just a shove and a proc for your ult talents plus yellow toughness

which is more gameplay interaction than the other two ults you have

[trim hemlock]

Infiltrate doesn’t spark in me a sense of power. It gives you potentially a tactical advantage, but it’s hard to get value out of in most combat scenarios that couldn’t be solved with just well-timed VoC

[limpid turtle]

Its only really useful for rezing people

[odd sparrow]

Shredder was pretty fun on zealot as a sidearm to deal with small clusters of gunners/ragers at close to mid range. Now it does so pathetic damage that you might as well just usw a colomnus mk V which does almost the same job

[frank ether]

I'm just saying

when they eventually nuke yellow toughness out or put a fat cooldown on VoC or whatever

[trim hemlock]

And doing objectives, I’d say even more so than reviving people, but yeah, that’s about it.

[frank ether]

If I hear any of you praise VoC

I'll vulture over your head

[woeful ibex]

Cadians back

[frank ether]

oh this set returns

[limpid turtle]

I wish the same set with the Sludge camo was back...

[frank ether]

but without kasrkin this time

meh

[limpid turtle]

Good set

but looks too plain without the Sludge camo (Kasrkin)

[frank ether]

why'd I pay for it again anyway

also the recolour they did on the psyker set is a crime against humanity

[limpid turtle]

Real

[frank ether]

I guess it gives me a reason to login this week though

I'll wear the original and sit right next to whale shop

[pseudo fiber]

Karskin
Or something like that? It's a joke if I'm remembering correctly the guys name sounds like Kasrkin

[frank ether]

that was the first set I bought I think

it had an oggy version too

[limpid turtle]

I have this week's ogryn set that i bought a few months back

it actually is gas for only being 2100

[frank ether]

I had the human version and bf had the oggy version

I'm guessing they brought the non karskin green versions this week

because they wanted ppl to buy stuff alongside the carapace scion mask

[limpid turtle]

I just want the Kasrkin camo set for the boxy legs honestly

[frank ether]

but imo this set doesnt go well with the scion mask, its not a very bulky set and the scion mask is quite big and bulky

[austere crypt]

i have question about centre bottom purple talents.When I tag on yellow enemy, how it works ? I should kill enemy as soon as possible to get maximum buff for stamina damage and condition or wait to farm or stacks level of focus,concentration and after that kill target?

[limpid turtle]

This is my Kasrkin now, i want the boxy camo legs since i based him off the Karl Kopinski's depiction.

[pastel yew]

I mean it depends

[limpid turtle]

Ah well, we shall wait then.

[pastel yew]

VoC is like a free live button

[limpid turtle]

It is.

[pastel yew]

but if you're good enough to stay alive then exec stance is mad damage

glass cannon is fun

[limpid turtle]

It has too many benefits to ignore in Auric runs

[pastel yew]

shout is boring because... well its not interesting

its just toughness and stagger

compared to sneaking and a big hit and mad speed or

entering straight up kill mode

[limpid turtle]

Volley Fire is good, but you need a bit of protection.

[pastel yew]

don't really agree

[frank ether]

The side node bonuses, namely damage buff and the toughness + stamina returns will scale with stacks so if you spam the key you don't get a lot of benefits. Its best to use it whenever but not spam it to the point its obnoxious to teammates.

[pastel yew]

I've run all three vet abilities in auric damn

a lot of games on each and

the only time I take shout now is if I cannot afford not to

its just for pathing reasons

[limpid turtle]

Fair

Shout is too good not to take + it also benefits your team, as opposed to Exe Stance which is just a straight up damage steroid. (a very good one)

[pastel yew]

I would argue that exec stance is plenty good for your team though

[frank ether]

I haven't had a single good exe stan user in probably over a year now

not a single one

that outdamaged me

[pastel yew]

your job as a vet usually is to kill the important stuff

so killing those things faster and more reliably means your team are in a position to lose lots of health less often

[pastel yew]

they must be god awful

though I will also say

[frank ether]

most vets are god awful

[pastel yew]

total damage = terrible stat

[pastel yew]

most players generally to be fair

[frank ether]

vet mains yap and die thats what they do

[pastel yew]

ogryns seem to generally be good

[frank ether]

oh my exe stance makes me a specialist killer

[pastel yew]

but thats because no one plays them except the hyper mains

[frank ether]

(loses exe in 6th second)

[limpid turtle]

So does pulling the fucking trigger on any class

[frank ether]

exactly .d

[limpid turtle]

I hate how people get mad when we as a team kill specials

Like dude

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean killing specials is everyones job

[limpid turtle]

WE ARE HERE TO FINISH A RUN

[pastel yew]

wdym by this

[limpid turtle]

I am not here so you can enflate your ego on how many maulers you can kill

[frank ether]

what exe does is act as a crutch for you to serve as baby mode so you can do what everyone else does but without having to deal with recoil, stuns or suppression

It even fixes visibility issues

[limpid turtle]

Some people get mad when they cant kill all specials

happened to me like 3 times lol

[pastel yew]

gives you excellent boss damage and helps with one shot break points too

[limpid turtle]

Volleyfire vet was fuming that he couldnt keep his ability up lol

[frank ether]

So I am not wrong when I label exe as a baby mode ultimate

you're a gun baby

and can not use your melee

[limpid turtle]

MEANS YOU DID YOUR JOB DUDE

[pastel yew]

I also didnt know that exec stance got rid of suppression

[limpid turtle]

The elites are dead, period.

[pastel yew]

lmfao

skill issue like

I can get being pissed if you were shooting things engaged in melee and not the things far out

as I hate that shit when I'm playing zealot

[frank ether]

infiltrate actually has some niche uses

its a worse voc

but it has uses

[pastel yew]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I mean

[rigid pilot]

Objectives

[frank ether]

it has some pathing options and strong nodes near it

[pastel yew]

it's far better than VoC

if you dont give a shit about your team

its better for solo q

[frank ether]

yeah you get to play gameboy undisturbed, thats the biggest use for infiltrate lmao

[rigid pilot]

Seems false

[frank ether]

no you laugh but in pugs that has actual uses for vet lmao

like the amount of games

my brain damaged teammates will ignore the obj

[rigid pilot]

Shout stagger shids on bulwarks

[frank ether]

and I have to do it while also dealing with a horde

[rigid pilot]

Also bosses

[pastel yew]

you get to revive people surrounded by maulers and watch them instantly drop again

[frank ether]

kekw, yeah

tbh infil is saveable

its really easy to save that ult

[limpid turtle]

Its fine

[frank ether]

just build those damage and TDR nodes into base infil, done.

[limpid turtle]

it does what it advertises

[frank ether]

it doesn't need 4 nodes.

[pastel yew]

infiltrate is also

super fun

it gives an absurd amount of move speed

free toughness on demand

2 charges

[wicked epoch]

this a good roll?

[limpid turtle]

Penetration is too low

[wicked epoch]

just when i thought i got something good for once

[pastel yew]

test it in the psykanium

[limpid turtle]

Why does it have 80 mobility dude

💀

[pastel yew]

speeeeeeeeeeed

[wicked epoch]

zoomin

[limpid turtle]

4real

[wicked epoch]

does anyone have a good kant MG12 build?

mk12 infantry wdi

dhipwpicfd

need

im a fiend

[frank ether]

this thing is kinda meh without a cleave blessing

[limpid turtle]

Anything with VoC like any other veteran build

• Shocktrooper for free ammo

you are welcome

[wicked epoch]

interesting

[frank ether]

bleed is good for boss-carapace killing

[wicked epoch]

why not use exe stance on it?

[frank ether]

and rampage is good damage

but I would get rid of one

to put a cleave blessing

[limpid turtle]

I'm just joking

mk-12 is good with exe

[wicked epoch]

i got confused for a moment

[rigid pilot]

VoC and anything you want

[frank ether]

you can if you want

[limpid turtle]

Thats what i said

[frank ether]

iLas is one case where you might actually want exe

[wicked epoch]

i got this oldass build from 9 months ago

[frank ether]

but my honest opinion is that

iLas is a rather garbo weapon

it feels garbage to shoot

[rigid pilot]

You can go exe but anytime you need to swap to melee lol, lmao

[wicked epoch]

im going to send you to the underhive of necromunda

[frank ether]

what I like to do is slow fire one tap headshots so I dont have to deal with visual recoil

[limpid turtle]

iLas crept so the Helbore could run

Accatran is still the middle child of the family

[frank ether]

Its not about stats or breakpoints

[wicked epoch]

https://youtu.be/UiOabE-1_qQ?si=jkvoHNZdjpewGXJ-

[frank ether]

iLas has really ugly visual recoil

[wicked epoch]

This is what im running atm

Its very dated

[frank ether]

Helbore doesn't

therefore I use helbore

[rigid pilot]

YouTube builds

[frank ether]

recons? I like them now. Still chew through ammo fast

[wicked epoch]

i got it because the guy makes the guardsman voice impression

[frank ether]

but I throw them in melee builds now

and they work

[limpid turtle]

I feel like Shocktrooper doesnt really save them all that much

Yeah you crit a lot but not as much as you'd with a Helbore

[wicked epoch]

so can someone take a quick look and tell me what can be tweaked?

[frank ether]

It doesn't, but the trick is you make a melee build and throw them in as a hipfire run and gun weapon

so its a complimentary not your main source of killing shit

[limpid turtle]

It might work that way

[rigid pilot]

Make a recon build but don't use it

[limpid turtle]

idk, it was shit on relase so i havent used it ever again

[rigid pilot]

7a is decent

I shoot things and they die

[wicked epoch]

how do i make this better lol

hElPp

[rigid pilot]

Mag size is enough to kill multiple things

[wicked epoch]

aaagh

is this a decent one?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a564ea6-6282-4342-8d19-62f1ee356348/veteran-kasrkin

[rigid pilot]

You should try to change your build according to what you feel lacking as you play the game

[wicked epoch]

Fair

[rigid pilot]

Vet has a really good tree so you can't really go wrong

[trim hemlock]

I’m missing 2 damage on a Dreg gunner breakpoint on my Plasma

F

I should consider taking Longshot

Had I had a 10% elites perk instead of 8, this wouldn’t be a problem

[rigid pilot]

Dreg gunner the destroyer of builds

[pastel yew]

why do the lasguns even have recoil

[dire breach]

It doesnt, you just dont have good hand eye coordination and stability as a unaugmented human.

[pastel yew]

this bit at the bottom

you might wanna shuffle about

[rigid pilot]

But also full auto boltgun

[pastel yew]

this here is way better for toughness than your toughness add on

I would also only take the extra stacks or pen if you actually need it to hit break points on enemies in the psykanium

thats an easy like 5 minutes test though

[dire breach]

he didnt take the best modifier. horrendous 😄

[pastel yew]

the mighty crab walk xd

honestly I feel most of the addons for mf are pretty aggressively mid

I would probably drop all 3 addons if they're not vital and take this instead

[dire breach]

never! I take it for events where we stand and defend.

[pastel yew]

ah, with the change to stack decay timing maintaining stacks really aint so hard

[dire breach]

crab walking is cringe 😄