veteran-class

[pastel yew]

I'm warming up to it... barely...

its very very weapon dependent

it works well with the plasmagun if you dont want to constantly ping, it works decently with the bolt pistol, laspistol mk10

remember that finesse isnt just weakspot damage, but extra crit damage too

so any weapon that is barely short on breakpoints with crits and can fish them reliably it works

though yes its trash otherwise

[gilded rock]

Like anything works good with plasma though

[pastel yew]

true :p but I mean specifically for making 1 shot breakpoints

[gilded rock]

Ah fair

[pastel yew]

it got harder to do that after the last major patch since longshot got nerfed sorta tangentially

close is now up to 12m, so longshot damage doesnt start stacking at 5m or whatever anymore... but 12... which is an insane nerf to specifically that perk. means the plasma now needs something else to reliably hit one shot bps

[marble mantle]

I mean to be fair it’s not like we really have a lot of slow firing weapons rn.

[last parcel]

queue with a cute psyker gf with elite dmg aura

[marble mantle]

Oh that’d be sick

[gilded rock]

We have enough semi autos for it to matter tbh

Marksman with a full auto weapon seems very silly

[midnight totem]

Longlaslonglaslonglas

[gilded rock]

Shouldn't be intentionally unincluded but definitely shouldn't be among the best in slot for that keystome

[marble mantle]

Honestly marksman focus should just let you walk and keep stacks, only losing them on sprinting. Cuz you can still ads and walk.

It’s very unforgiving for console

[true trellis]

Just crabwalk

[pastel yew]

and here I was saying its the worst aura in the game... how wrong I was... "what is my purpose" "you make the other players OP build more OP" "oh.."

[pastel yew]

they increased the timer I think

its 6s now or something

on a weakspot kill

[last parcel]

yeah

[pastel yew]

so maintaining stacks really isn't that hard anymore

[last parcel]

during path of redemption

[pastel yew]

the bonus for having those stacks might not be anything major but at least you can keep em up

[arctic rampart]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-peace-sign-peace-ice-age-eddie-gif-16750982996130936929

Or just use good weapons and weapon specialist

[marble mantle]

Well duh

[odd sparrow]

its 6 secs on kill, 3 on hit.

so with rapid fire weapons its very easy to upkeep

[marble mantle]

WS and FT bang

[tame lodge]

No

[somber axle]

Tbh Marksman's Focus is trivial to maintain uptime with on most weapons

Literally hit a head once every 6 seconds and you're probably going to sit at max stacks

There's a grace period after a headshot kill where moving doesn't remove stacks so if you can consistently maintain headshots on the move you're fine

[last parcel]

i only shoot feet so nobody else gets to lick them

[somber axle]

I only shoot kilometers for the same reason

[faint beacon]

You’re manually blinking

[last parcel]

ahhh no i can feel the clothes on my skin!!!

[faint beacon]

Suffer

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-sprinkler-harp-gif-13190819

[dreamy spade]

Their are bugs under your skin

[wooden brook]

So I've not played since Jan and I'm thirsty for bolt pistol goodness....

1. What is the new meta.
2. Any good builds around the bolt pistol?

[dreamy spade]

1. Recon
2. No its trash

[faint beacon]

Bolt pistol is over shined by the Zarona but that’s just because it’s stupidly overpowered

Anyways

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol is goated

just take dead shot and a stam curio

then figure out your break points

you're chillin

its high mid tier

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol would be so nice if it didn’t have 80 ADS sway

[pastel yew]

or snappy bugged recoil ;-;

[last parcel]

that's why i only run n gun hipfire it

[faint beacon]

It’s fun

[pastel yew]

yeah the issue with hipfire is that its not actually all that accurate at range

[tall torrent]

Run & gun might be a legit best 2nd blessing contender

[pastel yew]

run n gun is super fun

[faint beacon]

That’s all you need to worry about it

[tall torrent]

I think it’s just surgical + DA/r&g

[pastel yew]

I still think surgical + deadly accurate is the way to go yeah

you take that

dead shot

[tall torrent]

Puncture for gunpsyker

[pastel yew]

and then you're chilling

[faint beacon]

Not even DA + R&G?

[pastel yew]

you do need a stam curio though

[pastel yew]

it needs crit hits to make a lot of one shot break points

[faint beacon]

Like I bet you can hip fire on heads

[pastel yew]

so reliably getting crits is important

[tall torrent]

I kinda don’t know if I want DA without surgical

Because it actually needs superiority complex for breakpoints

So u have to give up smth nice if u go WS

[faint beacon]

Wait

Wait wait

It just clicked to me

[tall torrent]

What is bro cooking

[faint beacon]

They’re buffing Flech right

They might buff puncture

[pastel yew]

I'd imagine so

[tall torrent]

Yea (maybe)

[wooden brook]

flechette?

[pastel yew]

yee, shotgun blessing

[wooden brook]

I've got the flechette shotty build still

[tall torrent]

Surely in 3 months this 1 niche build might get some use

[last parcel]

give me flechette + puncture bistol

[pastel yew]

[tall torrent]

In 3 months manstopper + flechette DB shotgun will decimate elite packs

[pastel yew]

I love that you're so optimistic

[tall torrent]

Mark my words

[faint beacon]

The last dev blog they did showed of Flechette T1

Which was

[pastel yew]

we aint seeing jack shit

till ps5 port

[faint beacon]

6 bleed on Crit

Yeah they’re buffing it bros

[tall torrent]

Itemization is in ~3 months from now anyways

[tall torrent]

Peak hopium right here

[wooden brook]

LOL

[faint beacon]

Manstopper is getting nerfed

However

However

[wooden brook]

ooft

[tall torrent]

Where’s that

[faint beacon]

All I care for is FLECHETTE

All blessings are being reworked into 1-4s

Unless it’s a rare pass

It’s going to be tweaked

[tall torrent]

That doesn’t mean manstopper is gonna get nerfed

[faint beacon]

If they buff it that’s going to be fucking wild

[tall torrent]

That means manstopper is gonna get 4 tiers with varying degrees of +stagger

Which doesn’t change how it works

[faint beacon]

Hm

Well shit if that’s so max Hopium

[tall torrent]

It’s like how nobody rly cares about BM’s tier

Because the core function is irrespective of tier

Same goes for manstopper

[faint beacon]

Look

T4 Flech + T4 Man might be fucking crazy

I’m just saying

[last parcel]

the stagger makes them fall, which causes the blood to pump faster and activate bleed ticks more often

[tall torrent]

Yea in 3 months it’ll go crazy

Until then it’s not worth

[faint beacon]

You won’t stop me from making it

Anyways I had a funny idea come across me what I should change my Zealot too

[snow turret]

How's my drip?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-surprise-attack-epic-embed-gif-21517708

[snow turret]

Won't let me send it D:

Whyyy

[faint beacon]

Convict role lets you send images

[snow turret]

How I get convict? D:

[faint beacon]

Simply just talk more in here

[snow turret]

But

Uggghhhh

[last parcel]

move to australia

[snow turret]

My drip is on point

I look like I'm meant to fuck people up in the underhive

[frank basin]

Punk-like dress?

[wooden brook]

I like to wear a dress

and a tiara

[last parcel]

i need pockets

[wooden brook]

goes well with my combat boots

and beard

peak vet hiver aesthetic

https://tenor.com/view/red-dwarf-gif-21861825

[celest cove]

Anyone have any advice for the marksman’s focus penance

[last parcel]

take the camouflage subnode and stab people in the dick while crouching

[wooden brook]

aim true and pray for blessings from the emporer

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/สยาม-bkk-ประเทศไทย-th-siam-gif-14903755

[hearty panther]

theres not a single banging cock in that entire gif

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kamipoulet-chicken-head-bang-gif-13424042

[tame lodge]

So the helbores do have a different animation for shooting while crouched

Thought I was imagining

[blazing fossil]

Hab Dreyko Maelstrom sucks.... but vet's stealth and plasma gun rocks

[novel scarab]

What are the ideal boltgun blessings? Shattering impact maybe?

[austere mica]

Surgical and Pinning fire for vet

[wooden brook]

what are the meta blessings for recon lasgun?

[austere mica]

Which model are you using

[wooden brook]

whichever?

the pew pew pew machinegun one with highest damage per shot

[tame lodge]

7a

[austere mica]

Headhunter and Dum Dum

But Deathspitter also works in place of Dum Dum

[novel scarab]

and for perks, probably maniac and flak?

[austere mica]

Whatever gets you breakpoints

[last parcel]

recon breakpoints

(i can't read)

[wooden brook]

what do with this?

[austere mica]

Probably go looking for a new one eventually but switch Punishing salvo to Dum Dum or Deathspitter

[wooden brook]

still good?

[austere mica]

That’s still a Zarona revolver alright

[upper dock]

I know people all hate the gun spam posts but I am a super noob. Is the Agripinaa MK 1 IA any good? I got one on Melk that I might get..

[wooden brook]

been using this with recon

[wooden brook]

I used to like it

[austere mica]

The Columnus Infantry Autogun is considered the best IAG

[wooden brook]

I've been using this ALOT

[upper dock]

I have the MK 5 IA and I like it a lot but I got this in the store and I think it might be salvageable with better blessings

[somber axle]

If you have a Lawbringer Shotgun with the Manstopper blessing you could use a funny build with Infiltrate to just evaporate hordes with the wide horizontal special shot over and over for funsies

[austere mica]

It’s also a good build besides

[somber axle]

Infiltrate and Low Profile to just casually stand in the middle of the chaos and repeatedly load shells to pop hordes

[austere mica]

I love the Lawb cone of death build

[wooden brook]

40% power on the 3rd and 4th shot of a salvo

[hearty panther]

not power

also not how they actually add up

[last parcel]

you'd have to burst fire and wait for the recoil to reset, and weakspot damage is calculated on the difference between headshot and bodyshot so it's not even 40%

[hearty panther]

also its shots 2, 3, and 4

dont ask why, just is

[wooden brook]

I know, the maths is wibbly but I found it funny

[hearty panther]

if you do land all four shots into the head it would be much more than a 40% damage increase

[wooden brook]

originally there was a blessing which buffed like 3 and 5

so you could basically increase the power of like 5-6 shots

according to the blessings

but we all know they don't do "as advertised" every time.

If they did, like 50% of the discussion here would be dead.

[somber axle]

Perks are less important for the Lawbringer when using this build for farming the Marksman's Focus penance

Flak/Maniac is just always nice to have for better damage vs Flak Ragers/Maulers and putting down the entire gauntlet of Maniac type specials

Melee weapon can be whatever but I recommend Kraks because 500 armoured kills penance can be farmed too

And the Lawbringer can't hurt Crushers

Grenadier and Demo Stockpile can feed your Krak penance grind while your Lawbringer feeds the Marksman's Focus penance

Strat is to click heads while standing still until 10 stacks then just repeatedly load special shots and evaporate hordes over and over

It might sound goofy shooting poxwalkers but it's genuinely hilarious and this is the most ammo efficient ranged weapon build for wiping out hordes in the game

Plasma has crazy cleave but any player will look at you like you're insane if you spam it at hordes even despite the crazy cleave value because of how poor it is on ammo economy

Plasma can't really afford to waste the shots on hordes when it should be firing on specials/elites

Lawbringer Shotgun can

Make sure to use Infiltrate + Low Profile and stand next to the Psyker so when the hordes ignore you and group up around the poor Psyker to give them the beat down you can casually load a wide horizontal shot and turn the poxwalkers into bloody confetti

[austere mica]

Also lawb is a cone of death and plasma is a line

[somber axle]

Yeah that too

Cone >>> Line

[hearty panther]

tbh neither can really afford it but the potential value of one plasma shot is leagues beyond a lawbringer shot

so its not like with the lawbringer youll find yourself going "oh no! If only i didnt use my ammo on a horde!" When an armored line shows up

[somber axle]

Nah Lawbringer ammo economy isn't struggling like Plasma tbh

[hearty panther]

upkeep is pretty bad for both but out of the gate plasma is ahead just for having deeper pockets

[somber axle]

As long as you can click heads it can still put down elites/specials down pretty well (not on the same tier of the meta trio but who cares? LMFAO)

[hearty panther]

either way its the same, just dont get too trigger happy with it

[somber axle]

Nah no one is running Plasma for Marksman's Focus penance unless they're on a deeper level of clownery and/or masochism than I am

[last parcel]

I throw krak directly at sniper

[austere mica]

Or they are just stupid

[somber axle]

Two common tactics to farm the penance are Lawbringer with Manstopper/Scattershot to make hordes disappear in 1 shot or crab walk ratling sniper RP using exclusively melee and camo node

[last parcel]

I saw like three people recommend that this month lol

[somber axle]

That's wild LMFAO

I wonder how long they spent with Plasma vs on their knees with a melee weapon

Lawbringer is just so, so much more effective as an anti-horde tool

The only time Plasma looks better is for Psykanium Warrior tests spawning 100 poxwalkers clipping inside each other

Plasma is good for anti-special, anti-elite and anti-armour. It's not anti-horde even despite the insane cleave value especially after the Surv Aura nerfs

Cone is just so much more effective vs Line

You'd need 3-4 Plasma shots to do what 1 Lawbringer special shell does

[last parcel]

who would win: line or sideways line

line line line

[austere mica]

And plasma only gets 86 shots with 80% ammo right

[last parcel]

Lunch

[somber axle]

Line but it is laying down because it is sleepy

Tired line

[last parcel]

clothes line

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/wrestling-wwe-fight-gif-4121154

Lawbringer shell on the way to clothes line the entire horde

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/volatile-dying-light-2-fail-gif-1479210789302650993

[somber axle]

Less

Wait nvm that might be accurate LMFAO

[austere mica]

It’s actually inaccurate because I’m a dumbass and 135x2 apparently equals 260

It’s actually 90 even

[upper dock]

The biggest difference in the gun argument is that the shotgun shoots when I click and the plasma you click, take a drink, then the bitch fires

[somber axle]

I remember Plasma uncharged shots cost 3 ammo per and charged shots cost 9 ammo per but an 80% ammo stat has like 270 total ammo so 90 shots before Fully Loaded +25% ammo. That's slightly less than Lawbringer Shotgun at 80 reserve rounds and 12 rounds in the gun for 92 shots

And the 92 shots is also without factoring in the extra 25% ammo from Fully Loaded talent

What makes Lawbringer more effective is Cone vs Line

[hearty panther]

3 to fire and 2 returned from Survivalist.

[last parcel]

it's not so bad. I nut faster than the plasma delay

[hearty panther]

You're always ammo negative with Plasma

[somber axle]

Plasma would need more shots to clean up the same horde because hordes are never 100 poxwalkers all stacked and clipping into each other. You have to actively seek out proper angles for good lines of enemies and you're still killing less for more effort compared to Lawbringer Shotgun special

Plasma is the better anti-special and elite tool without the weakness to Carapace but it definitely isn't a gun to be used by firing into hordes ever LOL

[austere mica]

Blowthrough for ranged clear works way better in something like DRG where you can have more than 90 shots, even with a 3 target cap on pen

[somber axle]

Tbh anyone who wants to do Plasma for Marksman's Focus penance would be better off just grabbing a Rashad Mk II Combat Axe or a Power Sword and just spending the entire 30-40 min on their knees swiping at hordes

Lawbringer you don't need to ever be on your knees

[last parcel]

I go on my knees so the manstopper cleave misses the ones in the back

[somber axle]

What about using Plasma to help a friend when they're getting Medicae?

[snow turret]

It's definitely rough n tough looking

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hakandbobr-darktide-hak-gif-4835721721778289528

[snow turret]

Mood

[last parcel]

blow that assyrian fucker away

catch this

[faint beacon]

"Oops my bad I misclicked"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1264141162189684768/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.19_-_02.47.19.07_online-video-cutter.com_2.gif

[somber axle]

One time I saw someone get blasted back by a poxburster directly next to a barrel and couldn't resist sending them flying back to where they were originally

I made it seem like an accident

[last parcel]

excellent work 47

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/hitman-ros-hitman2-hitman-ii-clown-gif-21365642

[faint beacon]

I am now subjecting John-"FAITH"-Ward to the horrors of Tertium and appropriately spamming Chorus as much as I can

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/bullet-farmer-gif-25730879

[torpid grotto]

replace sustained fire 4 or deathsplitter 3 on agripinaa IAG?

[last parcel]

fuck sustained fire

[radiant chasm]

sustained fire for dum dum

[pseudo horizon]

What are some of the best Weapons Specialist equipment range-melee weapon loadouts that you can think of, and why?

[radiant chasm]

rashad+shotgun (lawby or hacker)

[steady cedar]

Is the Mk 13g chainsword worth using on Vet? I have a pretty good Mk 4, but Melk has a nice Mk 13 that I could grab and set up pretty easily.

[radiant chasm]

mk13g needs wrath and doesn't use savage sweep well, but it's barely (Like, less than 2% Imo) behind mk4

if you like the moveset more it's perfectly fine sidegrade

[steady cedar]

It does have wrath on it already, which is the big reason I'm considering it

I'm a little tight on melkcoin right now and I kind of want to save what I have in case a double barrel with Manstopper drops.

[torpid grotto]

I decided to keep it cus im bored

[last parcel]

[wicked epoch]

I hate snipers

fuck

Doesnt help that the bolter is so unwieldy

[austere mica]

I find snipers to be a very minor issue

[wicked epoch]

I find them annoying when i have to res my team

[austere mica]

They are their most problematic when someone goes down in their LOS

[wicked epoch]

Thats exactly what happened

Lost because of that

I couldnt seem to get a shot off because the bolter is unwieldy as balls

[austere mica]

Luckily zealot knives get body kills against them and most of my other classes can deal with them just fine

[wicked epoch]

80% stability for nothing

[umbral parrot]

OOOOH, i'm so angy!

Mission complete, run towards the Elevator! And then our priest says this.

And then our Ogryn tries to save the AFK dead guy~! AHHHHHH

[radiant chasm]

you can flick ads

[last parcel]

[radiant chasm]

press right click->press left click, 100% accurate

it will go right down where your crosshair was

[hard cave]

how to build

[umbral parrot]

Seriously tho, i'm going to make a program to start teaching Ogryns how to read.... and also play better. Because #ogryn-class are bad players!

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-flipping-insane-flipping-flip-insane-this-is-insane-gif-14014807786073580480

[fiery wave]

That would require taking the shield, kick back and the stubbers out of the game

[umbral parrot]

And so, it begins then!

[fiery wave]

6 melee only maelstroms with back to back xbot gungryns

Just closed the game that day

[umbral parrot]

Phew... i'm calm, i'm cool.

[fiery wave]

Kinda like explaining to people on Reddit why coherency is irrelevant when your team is badly positioned or a specialist is for some reason breathing

[umbral parrot]

Alright, i'm going to finish eating, game on Darktide again, and boast in game at how much better I am than everyone else. >:3

But yea, cohesion is not so bad if there's an objective that forces everyone together. LOVE the Psyker's Ability cool down. ❤️

[wicked epoch]

i have the ecquivalent aim of a literal stormtrooper

[faint beacon]

i kid you not this sentence alone is why HHA's are good, can you flick onto heads? yes? you win

[radiant chasm]

yee but i'm specifically talking about a bolter interaction

[wicked epoch]

Im better at just holding ads and shooting

[radiant chasm]

hate the sway and shit irons?

[wicked epoch]

With the lasguns

i have the red dot

[radiant chasm]

just put your crosshair over the enemy, press right click

and then press left click

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-kill-sniping-fps-mw2-gameplay-footage-gif-14443552

[radiant chasm]

it will shoot what your cross is on

[faint beacon]

Deadshot lol, lmao, that or literally just fucking hipfire

[radiant chasm]

hipfire bolter eats ammo

it's not semi auto

[faint beacon]

Im thinking Bistol for some reason

[wicked epoch]

🅱️istol

[hard cave]

help,,,,

[last parcel]

step 1: find boy

step 2: uncanny strike

step 3: ?????

step 4: yell racial slurs at psyker

[hard cave]

that

I misinterpreted find boy

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/chipichipi-boykisser-boykisser-chipichipi-chipichipichapachapa-gif-10758258345566257

[faint beacon]

Its MkIII

probably would've benefited off of Uncanny + Thrust more

MK7 It would've made sense to do SkC + Uncanny

[hard cave]

100 weapon specialist kills and 100 kark gernade kills till I complete all vet penances

[somber axle]

One time I was stuck solo after the rest of the squad wiped. I was kiting a Plogryn and an entire parade of crushers, maulers, flak ragers, specials and a horde while popping in and out of infiltrate. I hit infil to escape the entire circus I was leading and ran around everything to get to the trio of team mates stuck on their knees. Infiltrate ended just as I entered the room. Everything was right behind me. Right as I went to begin rescuing a team mate a sniper was waiting just around the corner and put their red beam on my head. I was so, so sure I could get the rez off. I did not. LMFAO

but the best part is that the sniper putting a shot into my head didn't kill me so I just did another dumb clown dance circle, waiting for Infiltrate to come back off CD and returned to begin revives

[faint beacon]

no worries us loose cannons can get shot in the head and survive

[somber axle]

get triple HP curios, triple sniper resist and chase the red dot like a cat

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-lazer-pointer-cute-gif-7775618

[faint beacon]

that would imply I would have a brain

[wicked epoch]

Cutthroats have half the brain

(Me)

[last parcel]

CAAAAAAAAAAAADIAAAAAAAA CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[faint beacon]

Cutthroats have a brain

they just have 75% of it occupied with

FOR CADIA!

CADIA STANDS! CADIA LIVES!

[tall torrent]

with the power of 300+ tags per mission, u too can make cutthroat shut up about cadia almost entirely

[wicked epoch]

Can someone explain to me

How a pox hound can tank 5 bolt shells

FUCKING HOW?!

[last parcel]

the machine spirit has infestedphobia

[wicked epoch]

I give up on the bolter

its not fun

i have been coping for so long

no more

no more cope

lasgun my beloved

come back to me kantrael mk12

[faint beacon]

Need not worry just... use the Bolt pistol cause its actually fun unlike Bolter

[wicked epoch]

off with you bolter

[somber axle]

Boltgun and Boltpistol both have awful infested ADM

[wicked epoch]

when i end up using that build i just end up using the powersword

my bolter isnt even bad

[hearty panther]

theres just no reason to shoot dogs anyway

[wicked epoch]

its actually quite good

[radiant chasm]

it's infested

[somber axle]

if your build isn't using Exe Stance + Focus Target and Redirect Target to help compensate for the weak infested ADM you're going to suffer trying to kill a dog LMFAO

just melee it

[wicked epoch]

i wanted to just magdump the dog and the 2 maulers

nah the mauler mauled my anus because i magdumped the dog and it didnt die

[somber axle]

I guess you could also probably Marksman's Focus your way into 1HKO Dog headshots but like who uses Marksman's Focus with Boltgun? Boltpistol yeah but like Boltgun?

[last parcel]

y

yeah

who would do that

[radiant chasm]

infested has a ranged resistance, but you odn't notice because A) infested enemies have low hp and B) most ranged doesn't have low enough ADMs like they should (Iirc, only lasguns are supposed to be good vs infested)

[somber axle]

I love Marksman's Focus on Boltpistol tbh

[wicked epoch]

fuck it chat im just gonna be a lasgun veteran

[radiant chasm]

basically bolt rounds are where ranged infested damage is supposed to be

[wicked epoch]

Im gonna use this 9 month old build from mr mugsy

the fucking kasrkin build

[somber axle]

My weird Exe Stance Marksman's Focus Chink in their Armour Rending Strikes clown tree lets Boltpistol have a brief window where it can 1HKO Crushers LMFAO

[radiant chasm]

also dog has like, a massive head hitbox

[unreal totem]

what is the most versatile melee for vet? I am using assault chainsword but having to rev to kill a single elite every time is not very good when the game decide to throw a horde of elites

[wicked epoch]

It was made when the tree wasnt even updated

[radiant chasm]

rashad

[wicked epoch]

Actually i should actually give the accatran a shit

[somber axle]

This is the way. Nerf Revolver by critically reducing the ADM to infested. Revolver users will actually not care and just melee dogs but a few of them might complain maybe

[wicked epoch]

shot

what accatran should i get?

recon whatever

pew pew what do i get

[somber axle]

if you need 3 shots to kill a dog with Zarona Revolver you'll just melee it instead

[radiant chasm]

7a

[radiant chasm]

you have no idea how much i agree

imo they overnerfed dogs alongside bugfixing them

[wicked epoch]

Closest ill be getting to a hellgun i assume?

[radiant chasm]

now they are countered by basically everything

dodging, simply standing still at a weird spot and they will miss, killing them, shooting them, pushing them, they are supposed to just be pushed, fix the netcode up some and buff em up

make people think and use their entire kit

[somber axle]

they're all good so tbh which ever you want but as a warning the Recon Mk VId is probably the least friendly for players new to Recons because it is much more ammo thirsty so probably go Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa (I'd recommend the VIIa because the cleave on shots is probably more fun for a player to feel for a first time playing Recons and the lower fire rate will make it easier to control ammo spending)

[radiant chasm]

they are supposed to be the (push counters this special) to trapper and mutie which are (dodge this special)

[somber axle]

tbh I think infested would be a good ammo type to make autoguns weak to

right now infested is literally only poxwalkers, poxbursters and hounds

[radiant chasm]

yea, infested is supposed to be strong vs ranged besides lasguns

[somber axle]

no one shoots at the first and most people just shove the last two

[radiant chasm]

(and fire, explosives and plasma)

[last parcel]

shotgun users in shambles

[somber axle]

they're already making Boltgun and Boltpistol weak to infested

[radiant chasm]

it is supposed to eat up bullets and bolt rounds cause it's now a hive/multi creature organism

[somber axle]

they just didn't commit to it with the rest of the bullet firing weapons LOL

[radiant chasm]

okay i think shotguns could be an exception to this

just because shotguns and shooting zombies is a classic

[unreal totem]

it's not very good for horse clearing

[somber axle]

Me putting infested and groaners/poxwalkers with manstopper/scattershot on my Lawbringer to continue the horde evaporation memes

[last parcel]

make all shotguns lasshotguns

[radiant chasm]

it's not fast when compared to chaff, but put in bruisers and elites and it quickly out sustains other options

[somber axle]

you require a very specific Rashad Mk II Combat Axe or it just straight up sucks LMFAO

[last parcel]

executioner’s stance time

[somber axle]

if you don't have something with high stats, headtaker, brutal momentum and unarmoured you're going to suffer

and it's still really slow on swing speed tbh

[radiant chasm]

chsword has the fastest horde clear for zealot, but that's ONLY vs poxwalkers and groaners

[somber axle]

but it will kill 4 targets per swing so there's that

[radiant chasm]

otherwise, a shovel maybe

[somber axle]

Power Sword definitely has it beat on horde clear

[radiant chasm]

he specifically wants an all-rounder weapon and I assume it is one you can just pull out and use so not psword

you got shovel, rashad... combat blade is safe but it's clear is slow

[somber axle]

Power Sword is sorta the do everything weapon. It can do literally all things and do them well so long as you can remember to charge it between swings

the only weakness it has is mobility

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-saul-saul-goodman-adamghik-gif-23876766

[radiant chasm]

yes but if he's complaining about chsword revving

[drifting oak]

ffs, I'm actually upset

[radiant chasm]

i assumed that meant psword charging is off the table

[somber axle]

chainsword rev + biting into a target is a lot more time consuming vs charge sword swing

[drifting oak]

5 minutes into a match and I have 25 special kills and my team has 5 between the remaining 3 of them

I literally just quit

[somber axle]

tbh if someone wants a head empty no thoughts horde clear weapon I'd recommend Chainsword Mk XIIIg with Wrath + Rampage

[drifting oak]

the team is literally oblivious

[somber axle]

literally just spam lights into a horde LMFAO

[faint beacon]

I seriously need to get some sort of god roll Shovel cause I did enjoy them when I was using them for sometime

[wicked epoch]

what would be the best to larp a kasrkin with

[radiant chasm]

karskin? more like karkin

[wicked epoch]

real

[somber axle]

if you want to play like you're firing a Hellgun then go Recon Mk VId and use a talent tree with Rending Strikes + Onslaught because you can fire it at Crushers and burn them to death

and if you can kill Crushers with it, you can kill EVERYTHING with it

[wicked epoch]

Got a pic of a build?

[somber axle]

just be careful about how much you shoot

it eats ammo fast

I can make a build for you

[somber axle]

what grenade, ability and keystone do you want?

[wicked epoch]

im a bolter main, i eat ammo like constantly

[wicked epoch]

I can do with anything, i just wanna be peak kasrkin

A recon MkVI and a power sword sound mighty fub

fun

krak grenades and executioner stance sound really really appealing

As for keystone, i have no idea what would be good

What blessings do i get for this thing

It gave me punishing salvo III and headhunter III

[last parcel]

punishing sal 🤮

[somber axle]

For a Recon Mk VId I'd probably recommend Focus Target or Weapon Specialist as funny as that sounds. The extra fire rate can be funny especially if you stack it with a celerity stim. It chews ammo really fast though. Focus Target is better for your ammo pool overall

[wicked epoch]

alright

[somber axle]

Change Punishing Salvo to Dum Dum, change Ranged Weak Spot Damage to Flak

[wicked epoch]

i wonder how this build would look

[wicked epoch]

alright

let me roll for dum dum

[somber axle]

Krak + Exe Stance is a little bit of wiggle on the talent tree and this is a bit expensive for talent tax purposes but after paying taxes I've created this

[wicked epoch]

IT KEEPS GIVING ME STRIPPED DOWN AND PUNISHING SALVO

as well as infernus

[wicked epoch]

ayooooo

[radiant chasm]

infernus+headhunter is fine on 6d

[wicked epoch]

Oh ill be doing that then

Im so out of plasteel its not even funny

[radiant chasm]

dum dum headhunter is the standard but for 6d specifically it uses infernus well enough

[somber axle]

Infernus isn't bad (and it was recently buffed for Recons in a tiny way) but Dum Dum is slightly better after the changes to redefine Close Range and Long Range

[austere mica]

Found a vet with a unarmored infested Wrath Thunderstrike DC1

[somber axle]

You can still make good use of a Recon Mk VId with Infernus

[wicked epoch]

I want it to burn things

[somber axle]

it's not bad

and it is very fun

[wicked epoch]

i will do that

[somber axle]

especially when you light up a hound as it runs around a corner

and then it dies 2 seconds later

also if you end up not liking how it feels with Exe Stance

you could try

a Krak Voice of Command build instead

[somber axle]

Yeah that should be solid

[wicked epoch]

Time to stick a power sword and make the exe build

AAnd my karkin game crashed

[last parcel]

lol darktided

[wicked epoch]

Real

[clear lantern]

I like that sometimes you go into the stance and it has whatever weapon you have equipped, versuis the post-game lobby where it's a generic chainsword, or Kantrael

[somber axle]

Maybe one day they'll fix it and allow the stance to have you holding whatever ranged weapon + cosmetic skin you have equipped

[clear lantern]

in beta you readied up with your ranged weapon, not your melee one

[plush jetty]

just got this thanks to Melk, what's the perks I should be using for the Inferno recon build ?

[last parcel]

insert pic of psyker holding the laspistol to his head

[somber axle]

Normally I'd recommend Dum Dum for the Recon Mk VIIa but it's probably more important to swap those perks

Flak + your choice of Maniac, Crit Chance or Unyielding

[stoic juniper]

Recommendations for vet shovel? I'm using a revolver, shout and weapon specialist.

[somber axle]

Recons can be built to do surprisingly good boss damage

[somber axle]

Mk VII fold shovel has good horde clear and solid damage for slapping Crushers to death

[radiant chasm]

Uncanny +skullcrusher or decimator iirc

[stoic juniper]

Alright, thanks

[last parcel]

the folding ones want thrust and carapace in addition to uncanny

[faint beacon]

its, something else when The Veteran and Ogryn completely eclipse the 2 Zealots in overall stats

[stoic juniper]

Duly noted, thanks

[drifting oak]

ehhhh, I think thrust is a trap on the folding shovels

[faint beacon]

I feel like the Mk7 from personal use is a genuine jack of all trades

[drifting oak]

the meme OTKs are funny but not great

[faint beacon]

Thrust on MkIII

MKIII needs thrust

Mk7 can get away with not needing its basically a better SIM shovel

[plush jetty]

If an enemy marked by Executioner's Stance dies from the fire DoTs from the reccon gun, will it trigger Relentless ?

[tall torrent]

as long as the kill belongs to u, yes

[plush jetty]

I'm a dumbass, I can just test it ... And yeah I can confirm it does

[stoic juniper]

Just tried it for the first time, it's very nice

[faint beacon]

I think the shovels require trench fighter in order to function effectively sadly but Mk7 and SIM are the best All-Round horde control

MkIII is the "I Hate specials and or Carapace enemies"

[snow turret]

I use zap mace and p sword

[wicked epoch]

I quite like this build @somber axle

thanks alot

:D

[somber axle]

Nice! 😄

Welcomes!

[wicked epoch]

I gotta figure out how to build like you

The accatran is just

so much better than the bolter

i wonder if they’ll even fix the poor thing

[fleet thicket]

Guys

I dont like entropic

I pefer skull crusher wirh high voltage

[midnight totem]

guys

guys

https://tenor.com/view/dow-warhammer-40k-for-the-emperor40k-gif-25351038

FOR THE EMPEROR

[hidden torrent]

Fake, cat agenda

[faint beacon]

I will forever find enjoyment using hammerblow on Shauls

[somber axle]

Clown agenda

I have already won

Recons were buffed

Let the era of the clown reign now and forever

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-disbelief-the-amazing-digital-circus-what-reaction-gif-6166236021719239081

[flat crypt]

whaaat's going on...? Also, morning ☕

[somber axle]

I need to wake up in under 8 hours but I can't sleep so

tomorrow me is going to suffer because of tonight me

[flat crypt]

the usual

8 hours of sleep sounds luxurious tbh 😅 (gaming as a hobby and two kids are not the optimal combo...)

[somber axle]

I don't even have kids

If I did I don't think I could keep the clown costume

[flat crypt]

Don't underestimate the clown costume

[unreal totem]

what is the best ranged weapon to spray and pray? most of the ranged options are just semi automatic. I prefer the automatic ones where I can just hold and aim

[hollow ibex]

braced auto or recon las

or infantry auto gun (automatic, but less spraying due to smaller mags)

[flat crypt]

This ☝️

[austere mica]

All the recons preform decently but the Columnus is the clear best IAG and one of the braced auto guns is far better than the other 2

[shadow dagger]

flak maniac or can i keep one of the perks to swap scatter out for like manstopper or sumn

i want to greed the funny 550 but id like to think im better than that

[flat crypt]

I'd take scatter with manstopper

[austere mica]

If you intend to run it with weapon spec drop scattershot as it’s redundant

Then I’d say drop reload speed perk for your BP perk

[little path]

What do I put on the rashad 2 axe?

[austere mica]

Rashad is very hard to roll on vet

[somber axle]

Columnus Infantry Autogun is THE best automatic weapon in the game for sheer damage. Recons have been buffed and are very fun in their own way. No gun in the game can spray as much as the Recon Mk VId can given the immense magazine size and synergy with Headhunter + Shock Trooper

[austere mica]

You need damage, finesse, and first target as close to 80% as possible

And high penetration as well

Than brutal momentum and Headtaker

After this check if you can oneshot both bruisers

If you can’t than take perks that let you, even if it means taking unarmored

[wicked epoch]

Is it possible to finish all 4.5k of the penances with just vet

[flat crypt]

Nope

[wicked epoch]

kark

i have to actually play a different class then

[flat crypt]

They are fun too, with the right loadout they play like vets too xP

Although some penances forces you to play certain playstyles

[wicked epoch]

aye, i just have to actually give the vet a rest

[flat crypt]

trying something different for a while makes you appreciate vet even more ;D

tbh I like them all but at the end of the day vet > psyker/ogryn/zealot

[trail totem]

any breakpoints missed without 25 maniac on WS?

also is this additive to the base weapon mod or multiplicative

[rigid pilot]

Should be multiplicative

The finesse bonus

Crit is additional

[hidden vine]

https://tenor.com/view/sacha-baron-cohen-great-success-yay-gif-4185058

[lusty sapphire]

Unyielding to flak and opportunist to skullcrusher?

[kind crystal]

Shock mauls have same special attacks or different?

[lusty sapphire]

Not really

Speciak attack will stun everything non-boss

Everything else is a combo or lights, heavies and pa

[wicked epoch]

any thoughts on this?

i have no idea what to get for it

[coral willow]

used to until kinetic got buffed to 7.5%

but i need my BP!

also fuck that was 6 months ago im sorry

🤡

my brain got fucked

[muted prairie]

Whoa that was 6 months ago hello i got a ding

[coral willow]

my bad lol

heres my apology

[pseudo fiber]

I'd say for now shred to wrath. Block to maniac. But ask around.

[coral willow]

what he said idk

[wicked epoch]

Gotcha thanks

[plain escarp]

this is taking forever. Sometimes it doesn't even kill the crushers, maulers etc

[flat crypt]

flak armored counts as well

[rigid pilot]

Get the talent for improved nades

Yea you do melee scab only maelstrom

Nade in a chokepoint

Profit

[flat crypt]

amen

all the nade talents and spam away

[trail totem]

twinned blast into scab bruiser blob gives you like 15 a pop

[lusty sapphire]

My twinned blast never triggers

I gave up

[wicked epoch]

Does the kantrael 12 have infernus?

I wanna turn that into a hotshot lasgun

[trim hemlock]

It does, but it’s not a great blessing for it. 1a and 4 variants would get a better mileage out of Infernus

Also how would Infernus make an infantry lasgun a hotshot lasgun

[wicked epoch]

by letting my delusions for a hotshot cloud my vision

[trim hemlock]

Recon lasguns can work as derogatory hotshots

6d in particular, but currently each variant is more or less viable and fun

[wicked epoch]

Ah

then im covered

[forest maple]

Which one is better?

first one has one lock free but dunno what to do with it

[dreamy spade]

Second

[muted knot]

How does one Turn recons viable/fun m

[trim hemlock]

Build wise?

[winter dock]

😮 just got untouchable operative 1

I didn't even know that existed!

[winter dock]

Fairly straightforward actually. Left side is easiest since that lets you pick up both marksman focus and onslaught, though it's a bit tight. Going for infil or shout probably comes with no keystone unless you don't want shocktrooper or marksmans focus- which you pretty much do with the recons, they are very efficient with those keystones.

Onslaught at the far right is critical for any high RoF vet gun

[trim hemlock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c993098-7c26-468f-8dbe-f49d5be5d40b/recon-vet-sample-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

I'd do something like this for a sample build

3 skill points spare, it can go in a couple of different directions, I don't particularly care for meeting breakpoints on it bar Bruisers on Rashad (needs high rolls on the weapon itself + supporting nodes in the tree to make it more consistent)

There's likely redundant stuff here, but I'll gladly take any feedback on that

I disagree that Onslaught is critical, though, it's entirely optional and most of the time, redundant

You can comfortably fight elites in melee with this build

[winter dock]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c9933f5-f867-4ee2-8c40-651028ba0714/recon-las-6

[winter dock]

I mean yeah, if you're fine not killing scabs easily with the recon las you can not take it

😛

I mean the chainaxes exist n all

as do kraks

but I really like having my recon las be a one size fits all sort of option, so I can use a more generically useful melee for safety

[trim hemlock]

And how is Onslaught going to help me kill Scabs better lmao, you need to shoot something 16 times to fully stack Onslaught, and it’s typically just one target that’s affected by the brittleness debuff.

The only enemy types this matters against is likely Crushers and bosses in general - everything else is not worth considering for that equation

Maulers? Axe them or grenade them, ragers - same deal, but they can also be shot to death in a reasonable time (Maulers also, but I’d still prefer axing them)

[winter dock]

Every shot is 5%

even just 4 or 5 is an appreciable damage increase

and the recons can each reach 16 in a matter of a second or two

It basically leads to instagibbing anything with a health pool and some armor

IE- all scabs

combine with headhunter and marksman focus for made crit damage and you end up with a gun that kills everything in the game with equal ease

I once one-clipped 4 Crushers with my VIIa

[flat crypt]

it's 2,5% but anyway, carry on

[winter dock]

Sorry, yeah

the 5 throws me off

but even just 4 shots is 10%, which is very significant

I mean if it wasn't then the 10% rending talents wouldn't be good :p

[grand perch]

you know what grinds my gears? people who ignore ammo crates, but will immediately ninja my medikit once i pick up the ammo kit and give it to someone else

[wicked epoch]

Ya knae what karkin' grinds me gears? When the witch steals all of ya karkin' elite kills, an' when of all the kills it karkin' steals they dun even kill the karkin' sniper, so me 'ole karkin' team is dead!

[forest maple]

This is my recon build with shout/tag. Dont need it to deal with carapace because i have a power sword for that.

can swap the 5% crit chance perk for w/e node if you want

[pastel yew]

no exec stance with the recon is big sad

goated combo

[forest maple]

works pretty well for me

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean shouts never going to be bad

but the dps steroid and increased accuracy for hipfire is huge for the recons

makes your boss damage highly respectable

[forest maple]

agreed, i just like using exec stance/marksman focus more with sniper-like weapons like the vraks HH 4

[austere mica]

Also highlighting targets so you can head empty M1 and kill everything

[pastel yew]

no greater feeling

and yeah exec stance is great with the head hunters too

[austere mica]

100% uptime in intense engagements is hilarious

[pastel yew]

I've not really messed around with any of them aside from the mk7 though

as one was a burst fire and burst weapons are kinda gross

[pastel yew]

its especially nice since you can spot specialists immediately

[forest maple]

headhunter 7* i meant

[pastel yew]

get your cooldown fast which means marksman itself has a massive uptime

one of the most op nodes in the vet tree

ludicrous

[austere mica]

Literally the only thing stopping me from wiping shooter mobs forever is the size of my magazine

[forest maple]

yeah, marksman is pretty strong

[pastel yew]

tbf with the recon lasguns thats not as much of an issue

given storm trooper lets you fire loads of shots

[austere mica]

Yeah but it’s my only limitation

[pastel yew]

I do also like deadshot on the recons lasguns

with a stam curio

[austere mica]

I also have a mk7a so I run out a bit faster than the other two

[pastel yew]

you can hipfire most of the time but when you need a bit of extra guaranteed dps and ammo saving

its neat for only a point

[austere mica]

My aim also happens to be shit

[pastel yew]

ahhhhhhhh I'm a mk2 enjoyer

maximum pew

with exec stance enabled its kinda funny

the hipfire just looks like one continuous laser

[austere mica]

The mk6 with weapon spec has the highest fire rate in the game

But it just drinks ammo

[pastel yew]

mk2 is also the only one where this isn't useless

since the other two recons take 2 shots per firing I think

whereas the mk2 is just the one

the dream of having a crit chance so high you never consume ammo...

maybe one day

[austere mica]

You can semi reasonably get like 70% or something

I say semi because reciprocity

[last parcel]

only VIIa

[wooden brook]

is this still good?

[radiant chasm]

Wouldn’t take bloodletter on chaxe but otherwise everything checks out

[winter dock]

Kantreal Shotgun my Beloved

I finally got a very decent one

IT has Flechette and scattershot

so when I use the inferno shell it slams both bleed AND fire at the same time

and then I can chain it into normal shots on a big beefy dude to nail him with fuckloads of damage

its disgusting

THis thing kills everything

Also yeah you see that right, two thousand crits

[wooden brook]

What would you take?

[winter dock]

Bloodletter 4 is fine

[wooden brook]

it's mainly for bosses

[winter dock]

16 bleed stacks is nuts damage on boss

one slap is max bleed

hugely sauce

[wooden brook]

and big bois

crushers etc

have pew pew recon las for little bois

[winter dock]

You'd want to drop either flechette or manstopper and replace with scattershot, without scattershot you can't really get crits reliably- using deadshot kills your punch-through and so isn't really worth it except on the agripina

[wooden brook]

ok

fair enough. might as well ditch the shotty build then. Was only really for lolz

[winter dock]

Oh no its great

like swap one of those for scattershot and you got yourself a damn good shotty

ammo is a tad on the lowside, but you're gonna be ammo starved always with shotty anyways

[winter dock]

Yeah just like that

that's a great lawbringer

[wooden brook]

....which I'll probably rarely use

[winter dock]

The trick with shotguns is using them in the exact right way. They're a juice weapon- that is, you gotta always be lookin' to maximize how much juice you're squeezing out of them. Line up targets, backdash to get distance so your spread hits more guys. Aim if you need to kill one specific target- its more damage, tighter choke, but less punch-through. Special shells all have their uses.

Kantrael's inferno shell has near-infinite punch through on anything that isn't a bulwark shield, and the inferno damage stacks up on the second/third shot; especially if you're faced with a herd of heavy armor units (4 crushers clogging a hallway? nail 3 fire shells and suddenly they aren't anymore- or they're very close to dead anyways)

[wooden brook]

using this at the moment

[winter dock]

Lawbringer's wide shell is great for hitting larger hordes or spread out dudes, which makes it much more generically useful in those annoying chambers with poxxers and dregs spread out everywhere. It also has massive stagger so it'll knock over almost anything that isn't fat (muties/ogryns)

[radiant chasm]

Thrust or slaught

[winter dock]

and the agri's slug is very obv, load it if something is super far away or very heavy armor

[radiant chasm]

Crushers barely take bleed damage as is

[winter dock]

they also just straight up die to a heavy revved chainaze

bloodletter is for bosses pr. much

[radiant chasm]

You can just light spam the mk4 for bosses

[winter dock]

The other mark of chainaxe does use it better, I'll grant that

[radiant chasm]

Hence why my mk4 typically goes slaught ht, and i have a slaught thrust for my mk12

[winter dock]

its heavy rev is alot spicier

Thunderous is great on mk iv too

spam lights into a crusher

[radiant chasm]

The heavy rev on mk12 is a lot easier to land weakspot and maximize your damage, mk4 comes in from the side

Thunderous is no

No

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe has high adms

Thunderous barely does anything

[winter dock]

yeah but remember brittleness works for everyone

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe has high damage

Kills everything

[wooden brook]

I couple it with recon las

because you gotta have something with big boys right?

[winter dock]

Recon las kills big bois

if you have headtaker/onslaught

[radiant chasm]

The only use case i’ve seen was a thunderous bloodletter on mk12 gave you the crusher bp on the final tic

[winter dock]

and marks focus

[radiant chasm]

Wouldn’t use mk4 chaxe off commando/weapon spec

Uses attack speed too well

[winter dock]

yeah, that keystone is realyl really good for the mk 12 tho

mk12/bolter

[radiant chasm]

Irrelevant, you should be killing everything

[winter dock]

I think people vastly underestimate the value of buffing teammates

[radiant chasm]

Never heard of mk12 and bolter but i know vet can use bolter as a type of semi auto rifle

Overway around

People overvalue buffing their teammates

[wooden brook]

Is it pointtless trying to do a commando build with reco and chaxe?

[winter dock]

Oh yeah

[radiant chasm]

Not at all

[winter dock]

recon las can't use commando that well I dont think

Wait hold on, let me be clear

Commando = Weapon specialist/Infilrate?

[radiant chasm]

It can you just have to spend point tax on shocktrooper

[radiant chasm]

Yes

[winter dock]

ohkay cool wanted to make sure I wasnt being crazy

[radiant chasm]

Marksman, squad leader, commando

[winter dock]

Anyways yeah Commando boltgun is big

[winter dock]

get that guaranteed crit for taking out single elites

have the cavalcade setup for mauling groups of heavies

[radiant chasm]

Basically outside of premades you can’t guarantee teammates will even get value out of your buff

[radiant chasm]

I wouldn’t skip both stam regen nodes

[winter dock]

YEah, you need stam if you plan to do alot of melee

[wooden brook]

what wouild you change?

[radiant chasm]

Mk4 PA is part of your horde clear and is a big help when going up to elites

[winter dock]

and its just nice in general to have block

[radiant chasm]

Elites off, don’t take melee finesse

[winter dock]

Chainaxes roll with that Defences stat for a reason!

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe has low finesse

[radiant chasm]

Chaxe has defense so you can have a dump stat 🫡

[winter dock]

I'd swap one of those toughness ones for a +3 stam one

but otherwise is fine

[radiant chasm]

TRS isn’t too good

[winter dock]

corruption resistance should be sniper res

[radiant chasm]

And one wound should be swapped to an HP

[winter dock]

Nah

[radiant chasm]

Also dice is right on the +3 stam

[winter dock]

running 2 wounds is for really vetted players who can work being on deaths door all game

[radiant chasm]

Really useful

[radiant chasm]

No

Pull off the bandaid

[winter dock]

that +1 wound is super useful for making the best of a bad situation

[radiant chasm]

Take off the gutter bumpers

[winter dock]

Once you get good enough that you're hardly ever going down to that second wound anyways you can take it off

[radiant chasm]

Take off the training wheels

You need to learn going down is bad

And not play around it

[winter dock]

Even with 3 wounds it still is

He's not a zealot with like 9 of the damn things

[radiant chasm]

It always is

[wooden brook]

I think you're right

how long has the game been out now? I'm still running a wound?

replace with stam curio?

[radiant chasm]

One hp, one tough, one stam. Or two tough one stam, but i prefer an HP on vet

[winter dock]

Yeah, +3 if you can

[wooden brook]

have 1

[radiant chasm]

But that’s my personal choice

[wooden brook]

1 sec

[winter dock]

I prefer toughness, vet has really really good toughness synergy

Iron will my beloved

[wooden brook]

yeah, I normally tank tough with voc

[radiant chasm]

Vet does, but vet has low hp, a single hp curio gives you more relative value than a wound

[wooden brook]

to re-fill

[winter dock]

also look at this god-roll curio I have

Delicious

10% stam regen with +3 max stam

super nice

Its not quite perfect

but its the closest I'll ever get I think

[radiant chasm]

I don’t like trs

Only coherency regen

[winter dock]

I do, I love it actually

[radiant chasm]

CK alone makes it irrelevant

[winter dock]

I run 3x it and my coherency regen is huge

[wooden brook]

this

or

[radiant chasm]

Are you taking the talent above survivalist?

[winter dock]

Actually incredible regen speed just for existing correctly

[hearty panther]

stam regen also pretty lame despite every assumption you could make

[radiant chasm]

This

[radiant chasm]

Disabled in melee and you have CK

[winter dock]

Catch a breath or tough break?

[hearty panther]

lots of stuff the game just doeent lay out correctly or can only be learned once you are min maxing

[winter dock]

sorry, "get back in the fight"

[radiant chasm]

You have catch a breath

[winter dock]

but I like tough break better, sounds nicer and is a pun

[radiant chasm]

This

[winter dock]

Yes but MOAR

[radiant chasm]

Flat stam regen delay nodes good, stam regen curio not so good

[winter dock]

My shotty setup makes me close to indestructible, its great

[radiant chasm]

Yea with ck and catch a breath you aren’t benefiting really from coherency regen

If anything is close to you in your melee square coherency is disabled

The same time your catch breath is disabled

And CK is just a mega generator

[winter dock]

I like exhilirating takedown too

[radiant chasm]

Id listen to exploits

[hearty panther]

i wouldn't im insane

[radiant chasm]

Crazy

I was crazy once

[hearty panther]

but ya all that, toughness regen on curios is really not that great without stacking three of them, and that's expensive

three flat 5%s go further

[winter dock]

It is expensive, but I like it

and I have the 5%s too

😛

[radiant chasm]

Then get 3 flat hp

[winter dock]

"But resistance to elites!" Dont get hit lol

[tame lodge]

They locked me on a black ship....

[winter dock]

not by elites anyways

I can't remember the last time a flamer actually did damage to me

[radiant chasm]

My vet is beefy one hp curio and 3x minor hp

I mean sniper and gunner exists

[winter dock]

snipers can be annoying, but I have iron will for them

[hearty panther]

all my characters are 3x toughness, 3x sprint, 3x block, 3x cooldown so

[winter dock]

gunners I mean yeah, sometimes theres not much you can do

lololol

[hearty panther]

for i am based and vermintide pilled

[radiant chasm]

3x sprint smh i thought i knew you

[winter dock]

Hey hey, I think you're in the wrong chat buddy

#zealot-class is down there

[hearty panther]

sprint is one of the best stats

[winter dock]

we're vets, we don't move

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/van-darkholme-gachi-gachimuchi-fuck-you-ghistiannotfunny22no-gif-18383308

[winter dock]

what do you MEAN you aren't standing perfectly still with marksmans and a slow lucius

[radiant chasm]

Fuck you (joking)

[hearty panther]

on a csword sprint efficiency is as good as adding two stamina curios

even better with Vanguard at the top, even better-er with lower cost sprint weapons

block i dont honestly recommend

i just block way more than the average lol

[winter dock]

well with all that excess stam you got

you may as well

[hearty panther]

and frankly. Most curio stats are super fucking mid anyway

some are just midder than others

CDR and Sprint are deffo at the top tho

after that id say its an even split for toughness/health/corruption resist

but corruption resist is goofy in that HP is as effective and more valuable

at doing the same thing

so it only actually gets returns if you already have 3x hp perks

[somber axle]

I didn't believe in gunner resist at first but then I forgot to check my corners and a sneaky gunner went full auto into my back

[hearty panther]

man Intel really getting raked for their shit now lul

[frank ether]

its funy

[somber axle]

If I had gunner resist maybe I could have survived slightly longer when my brain 404'd

[frank ether]

I kinda can't feel sorry for intel though

[hearty panther]

not their CPU department anyway

theyve basically just been releasing the same model of car with a bigger fuel intake for ten years

[frank ether]

they kept re-releasing skylake which is fine but what pissed me off was the arbitrary motherboard limitations

[somber axle]

why not both?

[hearty panther]

"this baby can now hit 130mph. i mean itll overheat itself to death and explode if you do but it totally can"

[somber axle]

3x HP, 3x Corruption Resist, 3x Corruption Resist (Grimoire)

then pick up both grims and watch the Psyker sit on less than 1 wound after touching medicae

but you're at maybe 15% of one wound affected

[hearty panther]

I mean yea you could but in my heirarchy of ideal perks you'd never have the space for it.

[frank ether]

It kinda reminds me of older amd gpus

[hearty panther]

So it'd only come up if you have other perks locked in.

[frank ether]

''we can't compete what do we do?''

''power draw go brrr''

[somber axle]

farming grims penance and just laughing as others witness your power

[spice wadi]

kindly stop poisoning the psyker to death

[somber axle]

it's a test of their reflexes because if they ever make their head pop once accidentally they can have a lore accurate death

one peril pop, one death

[tame lodge]

You just activated my martyrdom card

[dreamy spade]

If you need damage reduction curio for a specific enemy your build is trash

Unless you play with randoms and then I understand poxburster

[hearty panther]

not necessarily. sometimes youre trash (:

[spice wadi]

when did the psykers hurt you

[winged warren]

genuine question how do you play marksman if you can't move

[hearty panther]

you can move

[winged warren]

says it removes stacks

[hearty panther]

grace period if you are landing ranged headshots

which is the only extra damage it can give you to begin with

so ... do the thing it wants you to do and its not an issue

[winged warren]

3 seconds and 6 seconds is not very long bossman

[hearty panther]

6 seconds is a long time in a game like this

[winged warren]

yeah but but 6 seconds on keel

im running bolt pistol as well

[hearty panther]

thats enough time to reload literally all of your guns on Veteran while on the move and you might be down just a single stack before you reengage

do the camo perk

stand still for a bit to get stacks for breakpoints

once things actually die in a single headshot, youre golden

[winged warren]

whats camo perk
Also am running this atm
with bolt pistol it feels kind of bnad

[somber axle]

It's a pre-emptive strike!

[hearty panther]

well i mean

you arent even running marksman

so that doesnt help with maintaing marksman

[winged warren]

yuh im thinking of incorporating marksman good sir

[spice wadi]

i mean i hate assail as much as you do

[winged warren]

[spice wadi]

so

[hearty panther]

oh i see

either way, frankly, boltpistol is a shit choice for marksman

it doesnt do long periods of sustained fire

and it doesnt hit any particularly notable breakpoints for having marksman that you dont reach in much, much easier ways

[somber axle]

I hate on Smite more tbh

[somber axle]

Wdym it scales insanely well from Marksman's Focus and can achieve a Crusher one shot kill with Marksman's Focus and Chink in their Armour which is literally not possible with the other two keystones

Like this is a breakpoint you literally cannot hit without it

Source: it's me I am a clown

[hearty panther]

yeah but you can just throw a krak at it and be done

[somber axle]

Ok 8 Crusher train

[hearty panther]

thats the only BP it hits with marksman

the rest you do without

[somber axle]

I have 8 shots for 8 Crushers

[hearty panther]

with no need to stack up or sit still

you just pull out the gun and kill

[somber axle]

You have 2 kraks and need to wiggle into melee to stack them up

[hearty panther]

and its not like it will do ZERO damage to crushers without