Immediately after it stood up
#veteran-class
somber axle
rip that Zealot LMFAO
faint beacon
Oh yeah no one saved them
Lmao
I was busy with a carapace horde
I'll get the clip if I can find it
Found it
crimson pebble
Remember when they used to take two players at a time
I think we should get a lvl like that one in l4d2 where their was just witchs around every corner but instead demonhost
signal berry
Is it just me, or does Vet's left keystone tree seem really difficult to utilize effectively in a pub setting
You either need to be a headshot god or turtle master to even complete the penance
tame lodge
Sugar cane plantation or something like that 
faint beacon
That fucking kingass ripper video where the white spec is the bomber has been living in my head
and this clip just makes it funnier to me
signal berry
Damn
Yeah, hopefully I'd be able to finish the penance quickly enough and switch back to the tagging keystone which feels so much easier and more useful
elder fiber
I still wish mf stonks could be maintained a bit by melee weakspot kills
faint beacon
It would be extremely strong if so
crimson pebble
Damn
Yeah, hopefully I'd be able to finish the penance quickly enough and switch...
Easiest way to do it is get the node that build stacks of crouching and just crouch walk around meleeing
faint beacon
you'd have to make it harder to obtain stacks with melee
or simply it just refreshes the current stack
elder fiber
not obtaining stacks with it
faint beacon
I guess for example you're stuck at 8 forced into a melee situation and you can simply just stall it instead of it decaying
signal berry
Easiest way to do it is get the node that build stacks of crouching and just cro...
thats what im doing lol
but then gets ganked by 6 ragers because the entire team rushed ahead xD
crimson pebble
thats what im doing lol
but then gets ganked by 6 ragers because the entire team...
Thats what voc is for
signal berry
tru
crimson pebble
Or frags if your not immediately being crumped by them
faint beacon
Holy shit the recoil
Behold
warm swallow
Crouching helps but jesus
faint beacon
the vraks low level recoil
like straight up you need 70%+ to even use the fucking things when aiming
hearty panther
just relearned this on my hardcore veteran
warm swallow
I shoot and the gun legit points up
crimson pebble
Iv only ever tried to use the single shot headhunter no clue on the burst ones
elder fiber
original mk3 recoil was so funny
faint beacon
just relearned this on my hardcore veteran
god I've considered doing a hardcore run but I swear man
terse idol
I’ve been using the hh with 3 round as im leveling my vet
Low level 3 burst HH is hell on earth
faint beacon
the state of any Diff 1-4 is just
terse idol
Would definetly steer clear until at least 25
faint beacon
its a coin toss on living or dying
hearty panther
thats the fun
warm swallow
Crouching makes me hella accurate but i usually get jumped
crimson pebble
I think the most jarring experience is the like 20% finesse modfier knife i was using on a new character
faint beacon
Low level 3 burst HH is hell on earth
reminded me how awful it was when I was 100%ing my HHA's
holy shit lvl 8 Vet with HHA's
terse idol
😭
warm swallow
holy shit lvl 8 Vet with HHA's
Im level 8 😔
umbral scaffold
ngl the Agri 9 actually has a pretty decent hipfire
faint beacon
Im level 8 😔
begin the suffering
terse idol
That's like one of the only weapons I'd say to steer clear of
terse idol
(And the axes)
faint beacon
just not at a low level!
terse idol
(Low level axes are ass)
mortal horizon
I have this weird thing that happens to me with the double barrel.
if i hot swap to it from melee (using weapon specialist) and try to quickly fire and go back to melee, sometimes it "sticks" and feels like the fire delays.
It also sometimes feels like it gets increased recoil and jerks my camera, but other times doesn't as badly.
anyone else experience this? It seems to happen more when swapping to the shotty -> blasting a shot quickly and trying to go back to melee. Part of my theory is it has something to do with the weapon specialist buff loading in the free ammo if you're at 0/2 loaded, but haven't confirmed it
umbral scaffold
I almost feel like making one without opening salvo because the weapon resets slower in hipfire
faint beacon
(Low level axes are ass)
🤫
warm swallow
I have a knife from when i made the character
umbral scaffold
I have this weird thing that happens to me with the double barrel.
if i hot swa...
The shotgun is currently known for yanking your camera off to Disneyland if you fire and immediately swap
warm swallow
Emp no give me new melees
mortal horizon
The shotgun is currently known for yanking your camera off to Disneyland if you ...
ok so thats not just me lol
terse idol
umbral scaffold
Taxe evasion
I wish they got more mobility to be a middle ground between knife and idfk
mortal horizon
The shotgun is currently known for yanking your camera off to Disneyland if you ...
has overweight fish acknowledged it as a bug, or is it intended bc its big shot gun?
faint beacon
5 times?
hearty panther
they already are
umbral scaffold
And stronger heavies
faint beacon
and never again?
hearty panther
yall keep sleepin hard on taxes smh
terse idol
Taxes are alrigh
umbral scaffold
They acknowledged it alongside the bolter aim jank, or at least they acknowledged the post where I mentioned both
terse idol
When you build em
faint beacon
Exploits gaslight me into what I should make for a correct Taxe then
faint beacon
What is the most effective All-round or horde clear based one
hearty panther
taxe 4
umbral scaffold
I only use take uhhhh 9 I think? 7?
faint beacon
seeing I tend to use melee for trash
umbral scaffold
The brown one has slightly stronger lights
hearty panther
II IV and VII
umbral scaffold
Just spam lights
hearty panther
spam lights
faint beacon
Seriously
hearty panther
push attacks
hearty panther
heavies for bruisers
umbral scaffold
Yeah, it's not particularly deep
mortal horizon
They acknowledged it alongside the bolter aim jank, or at least they acknowledge...
thats good, bc the bolter aim jank is also very annoying especially on the bolt pistol. Makes it unuseable for me on high difficulties, just can't be getting fucked up by stuff like that. Its not as bad on the shotty, but still annoying.
question - this is my rashad + double barrel Wep spec build - anything you guys would change/i should improve? or is this good?
hearty panther
it just works
umbral scaffold
I guess you could also grab the 7 and to PA+H
faint beacon
BM?
umbral scaffold
Or do H+L
hearty panther
BM is very specific
terse idol
Bistol is pretty good on high difficulties
hearty panther
and the taxe 4 doesnt have great movesets for it
faint beacon
Bistol is pretty good on high difficulties
its good if you're awesome and cool
crimson pebble
thats good, bc the bolter aim jank is also very annoying especially on the bolt ...
Should rlly get deadshot if your not going exe stance imo
hearty panther
sweeps arent horizontal enough on the PA
terse idol
Like, imo every discussion about weapons should only be done on Damnation
hearty panther
im so tired of the zarona
faint beacon
I refuse to stoop to the level of leave on seeing a weapon
but holy shit
I get so fucking tired of seeing
hearty panther
its not that overbearing
faint beacon
Ahem "Me millionth Zarona"
umbral scaffold
thats good, bc the bolter aim jank is also very annoying especially on the bolt ...
I would take off the bottom middle and pick out for blood and field improvisation, get krak and use the extra point for stamina delay
mortal horizon
Should rlly get deadshot if your not going exe stance imo
in theory i didn't think deadshot would help that much, bc i dont double shoot it as often as i rip 1 shot or 2 in a row and hot swap it with melee, but ok ill try it good advice
hearty panther
not like plasma or smyker
crimson pebble
in theory i didn't think deadshot would help that much, bc i dont double shoot i...
Nvrmind i thought u were talking about bolters
faint beacon
Yknow what fuck it
I'll buy one of each type and try it out
see how dumb they are
mortal horizon
which double barrel would you guys use (and changes if you would)
faint beacon
noted
crimson pebble
which double barrel would you guys use (and changes if you would)
Second
mortal horizon
Second
ya its my main one, but i dont know if full bore is that good. I could always put manstopper on the first
i do like full bore vs ogryns or monsters, like on monster modifier maelstrom its helps
crimson pebble
Both barrels is kind of redundant w weapon specialist imo
mortal horizon
i agree
its ok when spamming the shotty tho which sometimes you want to do
but not that often
would the first be better if i swapped both barrels for manstopperor something else?
faint beacon
Okay curiosity note cause im screwing with the Taxe II atm
mortal horizon
my thoery on the second is if hot-swapping and firing in something face, and back to melee, full bore is the main way to give myself a dmg boost.
but most targets die anyway if that close
faint beacon
is BM good on any of them
crimson pebble
Id just keep the second wait and wait till crafting update maybe switch full bore to scatter shot
faint beacon
or is it more of take headtaker call it a day
crimson pebble
I only rlly like tax axe w zealot tbh
faint beacon
Gravitating towards Taxe 2 moveset wise
now how do we make this thing semi-function
faint beacon
Blessings + Perks?
umbral scaffold
The perks are random shit cuz locks
faint beacon
reroll your knife I hate to say it
umbral scaffold
no
crimson pebble
this me knoife beeld
Why the node off the elite dmg and the brittlness over 25 toughness
umbral scaffold
Fuck the 25 toughness 
fleet thicket
I think the heavy one is actually kind of strong it got much better penetration
Better flak and carapace damage
crimson pebble
Fuck the 25 toughness <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
crimson pebble
Bm and decapitator i think
faint beacon
Bro what the fuck lmao
@tall torrent You're the stats guy
I summon you path
Honestly thats probably a safe path
Deci + Head
hearty panther
with the built in crit bonus
you can already do very well without shred
so i am firmly a believer of deci ht or ht bm for the II/VII
along with all the other shit you have in your tree ofc
hearty panther
eh poxies arent really an issue
crimson pebble
so i am firmly a believer of deci ht or ht bm for the II/VII
Why no decap
crimson pebble
Im i restarted
hearty panther
yes
faint beacon
The ominssiah said im using BM
Well seeing this is an "optimal" Blessing roll
I might go test to see if Unarmored or Maniac would be more effective
crimson pebble
Fuck
faint beacon
I might do unarmored seeing i tend to use melee for hordes
crimson pebble
Unarmored would prob be better tbh
hearty panther
unarmored can help for bruiser breakpoint
depends what you put in for blessings
taxe has strong flak numbers by default
thorn lark
On MK2 and mk7, you go BM + shred/ht
On vet you want desperado + reciprocity. Agile engagement is a nice thing to have too
faint beacon
depends what you put in for blessings
Rocking BM III and HT IV
noticing if I fuck up and miss weakpoint it wont kill groaners
Unarmored might make up for that
thorn lark
Also, precision strikes and all melee DMG talent.
faint beacon
Pain
tall torrent
it's just so painfully mid
thorn lark
I finding aiming with H1 a bit of a pain tbh
faint beacon
Bro what, the SA on Taxe II actually staggers Crushers
tall torrent
Bro what, the SA on Taxe II actually staggers Crushers
all tac axe SP can stagger crushers
it's just that they are only single target
so u can't use them vs multi-ragers like combat axe PA
also they have super low cleave
and don't do enough dmg to activate BM vs bruisers most of the time
faint beacon
interesting
thorn lark
Bro what, the SA on Taxe II actually staggers Crushers
Muties and pouncing dogs
umbral scaffold
based
If we gamers had it my way
DS2's H1 would combo into a poke light
A la deimos
Except loopable
I might've said it, but I think there should be 4 moveset variants
thorn lark
Nope.
umbral scaffold
- Combo weapon with horde light start
- Combo weapon with single-target light start
- Horde lights, single-target heavies
- Single-target lights, horde heavies
thorn lark
You want to use lights on carapace tho (and unyielding)
umbral scaffold
Admittedly, my favorite moveset for weapons is horde light start and strike heavy start
Because when I engage the horde, I want my first stagger to come out quick
thorn lark
PA + H1 loop is better than spamming lights for horde (on mk7 and probably MK2)
umbral scaffold
While enemies that warrant a strike usually give me time for a heavy by virtue of sliding towards a gunner or dodging a mauler/crusher's overhead and having all the time in the world to launch a strike heavy
So to me that's the ultimate moveset
Which so happens to be the crusher's moveset
Light sweep > heavy sweep
Heavy strike > light strike
Goated push
drowsy leaf
which infantry lasgun is decent?
hearty panther
no sprint speed difference
dodge distance yes
sprint cost .75
think thats it for mobility
thorn lark
no sprint speed difference
yes, but you can also spam h1 to move a bit faster
(nothing like the knife, but you do feel a slight acceleration)
dire olive
I like tac axe on melee vet, anything it struggles with just gets the gun to the face
dire olive
think thats it for mobility
Charging heavies doesn't slow you down
thorn lark
yeah that's it
it's not acceleration, but the lack of deceleration
also, yes you can do dmg
dire olive
I think that's pretty important when you're rushing things
thorn lark
thorn lark
agri IX hh?
tame lodge
which infantry lasgun is decent?
4 or 1a
thorn lark
Although does it really have cleave <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
a bit less than agri braced apparently
faint beacon
is cause of how fucking Fluent
dire olive
Personally I think it's been fine ever since they made the burst faster
faint beacon
I've used Agri IX for ages
I just like the burst rifles
lmao
Also here's this incident
thorn lark
I really like fluent moveset weapons
that's the total opposite of the power sword
stop, block, activate, swing*2-3, stop, block...
faint beacon
its why you never see me using Powersword
rigid pilot
a bit less than agri braced apparently
I couldn't shoot through friendly ogryn 
faint beacon
there's 2 reasons why I dont use a weapon
- its not strong enough
- It doesn't have a comfortable flow to it
PS massively hits point 2
thorn lark
I couldn't shoot through friendly ogryn <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
well, that is been patched no?
rigid pilot
Patched?
faint beacon
You can shoot through anyone
thorn lark
like now you can shoot through people
faint beacon
that was this patch
rigid pilot
Since when 
thorn lark
sadly no more stacking pinning fire on your mates
thorn lark
Since when <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
last big patch
rigid pilot
Tells you how much I play vet
I see blue hitmarker so I assumed it doesn't go through
Guess it does
thorn lark
now you're like a trapper shooting through mates
i wish they could nerf that, that's like number one reason of me dying
faint beacon
I see blue hitmarker so I assumed it doesn't go through
That means you hit Carapace
they changed the color hitmarkers now
Weakspot is like a double stacked hitmarker
Crits are orange
Cara is blue
tame lodge
Although does it really have cleave <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Same cleave as Helbores 💀
So 3 cleave
I think
sullen schooner
omg
Wait I didn't realize they changed that
do grenades and rocks and things like that go through teammates?
faint beacon
do grenades and rocks and things like that go through teammates?
I- never really bothered to check
I could this match im queuing into here in a second
sullen schooner
I'm finishing up my ogryn penances so I'll check probably
I gotta make a new build though
tame lodge
Does the Helbore Mk3 still have 6 cleave on the bayonet?
faint beacon
God is it
actually bad im liking the Taxes
like i shouldn't be, I literally have a god roll Rashad
and here I am wanting to use the Taxe more lmao
tame lodge
Attack speed dopamine
faint beacon
Not even that, the fluent moveset
Able to fly through lights into a PA into Heavies without noticing any like suttering is just
pure dopamine
tall torrent
actually bad im liking the Taxes
it's ok vs most enemies but sucks pretty bad vs carapace and doesn't deal with high mass horde well
faint beacon
I just rolled a carbon copy of my Taxe 2 for a Taxe 4 and then my game crashed
fml bro lmao
sullen schooner
Gotta say
thorn lark
like i shouldn't be, I literally have a god roll Rashad
me with several god rolled rashad on 3 characters, not using them...
tall torrent
and they're just not interesting enough compared to most other weapons
sullen schooner
I really wish Vets could get more movement
I feel like every other class has better movement than us
Like movement speed
faint beacon
I really wish Vets could get more movement
Duck and Dive + Stripped down paired with Knife or Taxe or hell even the Caxes
sullen schooner
Maybe I'
faint beacon
thats how we get or mobility
sullen schooner
Whoops- Maybe I'm crazy for that
tall torrent
Like movement speed
run both 5% move speed nodes
faint beacon
we're not the fastest but it allows us to be alive
we will never be momentum zealots sadly
but hey!
we can still make movement work
tall torrent
also, 3x sprint efficiency on curios helps a lot for movement
sullen schooner
I just think for our passive aura it should be 10% instead of 5
tall torrent
I just think for our passive aura it should be 10% instead of 5
10% move speed would be a bit crazy
sullen schooner
5 feels too low though
sullen schooner
we have a 5% passive one though, making it just 5% for the full on aura makes it feel weak
thorn lark
I don't like tac axe movesets much
you got like 3 taxes, each having its own moveset and idiosyncrasies... you'll have to be a bit more specific
also, if were talking about movesets, most of the weapons are boring
tall torrent
you got like 3 taxes, each having its own moveset and idiosyncrasies... you'll h...
yea all 3 feel bad
7 makes a bit more sense in moveset than the other two
thorn lark
h1 after pa is faster
tall torrent
since it's the only one with an actual "combo" that's not just spam heavy/light
sullen schooner
Especially when compared to survivalist and Fire Team
tall torrent
mk4 is just light spam + PA
and even that is not as interesting as rashad
rashad PA is for horde stagger
tac axe PA is just another attack
thorn lark
i am fine dodging and pa+h1-ing ragers
like, i usually do that against 3 ragers and a horde
sullen schooner
I love using the catachan parry on ragers
sullen schooner
Favorite way to deal with them
thorn lark
on that we agree
tall torrent
tac axes desperately need some separation between diagonal & overhead
cleave, stagger & dmg profile
thorn lark
the problem is having its parry eaten by another mob
faint beacon
I just like how fluent they feel, but I am noticing they are slightly weaker compared to everything else and need something to boost em up
thorn lark
I just like how fluent they feel, but I am noticing they are slightly weaker com...
talents
tall torrent
talents
with the same talents, CB6 / rashad go crazy, it's just hard to take tac axes for what they are rn
they rly need a glow up
faint beacon
^
sullen schooner
the problem is having its parry eaten by another mob
It's funny, the faster your attack speed the more you can parry and this can matter less but really you should just keep dodging and killing the other enemies until it's just ragers
faint beacon
thats what I mean by that
sullen schooner
So it's REALLY effective on zealot
faint beacon
Why use em when CB6 and Caxe are just
Pails better
Im still using taxes cause they feel fun!
just, again that reason
tall torrent
tac axe cleave is way too low for its dmg (since it doesn't activate BM vs bruisers)
thorn lark
i played a lot cb6 and caxe this last 2-3 months... i find the cb6 a bit of pain when the crowd intensifies, and the caxe a bit sluggish, especially on vet (yes even with ws)
sullen schooner
I understand the appeal of Taxe but I also like, I've prefered a lot of other weapons over it. I feel like it's just not as interesting as a lot of the other stuff but it sort of fills a similar spot to the revolver
thorn lark
i dunno, i just find it easier to move and dodge dance and kill stuff
umbral scaffold
one day tac axe overhead will do 1800 dmg on carapace
DS4 at home
sullen schooner
sounds like they will with the weapons crafting rework
I heard they might be nerfing a lot of the more OP blessings during that but Idk
umbral scaffold
I think blessings could be more involved and niche
sullen schooner
How so?
umbral scaffold
The shock mauls are starting on a good path
sullen schooner
You mean less carried by meta?
Like you can carve out your own path a bit more like the skill trees
thorn lark
i would not invest heavily in a meta weapon rn
umbral scaffold
Stuff like this
thorn lark
better use fun weapons until the rework
sullen schooner
I mean I'm just grinding all my penances
umbral scaffold
Uncanny strike is basically giving your damage output a straight upgrade at no cost (everyone headshots)
sullen schooner
I'm about 40 from 4500
tall torrent
I think blessings could be more involved and niche
Yea
umbral scaffold
Lightning reflexes is interesting, even if not exactly something I'd like to use
I think timed block is an underutilized mechanic the player has a lot of control over
You see attacks in front of you and hear them outside your field of view
You, if the game works as intended, always know when to time your block
tall torrent
We need more interesting +dmg/power blessings to compete with the current meta blessings
sullen schooner
That does sound really fun, but it also sounds like just implementing parry as a blessing
tall torrent
And uncanny needs to get nuked
umbral scaffold
Yeah, ideally I'd rather just have parry
tall torrent
Uncanny needs to get nuked more than BM does
sullen schooner
Wild that I
sullen schooner
Have joined to see more melee talk in Veteran than ranged
umbral scaffold
I think one interesting blessing would be more stagger/power against enemies in the middle of an attack animation
umbral scaffold
Maybe associated to the push
So pushing an enemy that's attacking you makes the push stronger
tall torrent
Have joined to see more melee talk in Veteran than ranged
Veteran is a do-it-all class
Psyker is the more range focused class (with some super strong melee weapons)
umbral scaffold
Or maybe pushing an enemy after blocking their attack
thorn lark
Uncanny needs to get nuked more than BM does
replace uncanny with thunderstrike everywhere
tall torrent
replace uncanny with thunderstrike everywhere <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Some blessings rly gotta get reworked
sullen schooner
True, I play my vet as a revolver pick and then whatever melee weapons I feel is most fun and effective
umbral scaffold
Increased damage during enemy attacks would encourage the player to counter the crusher up close
sullen schooner
Stuck on the Catachan lately
umbral scaffold
You don't want to dodge and attack, you want to attack before they even land it
It's an interesting timing, though not sure how feasible in the current game's pacing
tall torrent
Decapitator should get buffed
thorn lark
or its condition changed
tall torrent
Just make it work like headtaker but is +finesse instead of +power
umbral scaffold
Also some minor things, like activating scrier's gaze giving you a guaranteed crit on your first attack
tall torrent
So it hits higher numbers but doesn’t boost ur cleave or stagger
Make it interesting
thorn lark
i would play that
sullen schooner
Scriers gaze needs to feel less random when I explode
umbral scaffold
Maybe reworking the crit/headshot damage formula so the crit damage buffs the damage itself and not the crit/headshot portion
thorn lark
slippery slope
tall torrent
Maybe reworking the crit/headshot damage formula so the crit damage buffs the da...
Not sure abt that cuz then 10% weakspot is the best perk in the game
sullen schooner
As in the ending giving a little window of immunity or something
tall torrent
thorn lark
best perk is the one helping you reach a bp
sullen schooner
I've seen a lot of people say it's not worth using at all
thorn lark
tall torrent
best perk is the one helping you reach a bp
Yea if 10% weakspot just made u do overall 10% more dmg on headshot, 10% elite would be entirely pointless
umbral scaffold
Instead of it being something like base * (crit damage + crit damage bonus), make it base * (crit damage) * (crit damage bonus)
Or idfk math
thorn lark
Yea if 10% weakspot just made u do overall 10% more dmg on headshot, 10% elite w...
maybe +10% finesse
i want attack speed perks
umbral scaffold
Crit and weakspot should buff the base damage buffed by crit damage, not the oftentimes tiny-ass crit damage
tall torrent
maybe +10% finesse
+10% finesse is just +10% weakspot and +10% Crit dmg combined
I would say tho
Give us some +atk speed related blessings
umbral scaffold
Also normalizing headshot and crit damage values across weapons
tall torrent
Not sure why they never added these
umbral scaffold
And within weapons
thorn lark
+10% finesse is just +10% weakspot and +10% Crit dmg combined
yeah that would be better than just one
sullen schooner
I just hope
umbral scaffold
Look at this
tall torrent
yeah that would be better than just one
Then it’d still be the best perk in the game
sullen schooner
We get a buff on the bolt gun
umbral scaffold
Why does unarmored take more weakspot than critical, but infested takes more critical than weakspot?
sullen schooner
Pistol*
umbral scaffold
Why is there even a difference?
tall torrent
Make AoN buff atk speed or smth
sullen schooner
It's definitely just to be different
umbral scaffold
Did Fatshark think of something specific against unarmored enemies that I didn't understand?
thorn lark
unarmored head?
umbral scaffold
They do have more health than flak, but doesn't that already get represented by unarmored damage values usually being higher than flak?
tall torrent
Make AoN buff atk speed or smth
Each 20% drained stamina gives +1.5/2/2.5/3% melee animation speed on top of the +power buff
Boom now it’s interesting
pastel yew
Each 20% drained stamina gives +1.5/2/2.5/3% melee animation speed on top of the...
thats cool actually yeah
I like that
thorn lark
i really need to try a taxe with AoN and desperation
pastel yew
it'd be strong but like, you are burning all of your stamina for it
umbral scaffold
Unarmored has X health and flak has Y, but unarmored takes A damage and flak takes B, but X > Y AND A > B in every case I can remember right now
And I don't fucking get why
tall torrent
thats cool actually yeah
Also I recorded sprint speed difference between pure sprint and sprint/slide
Pure sprint is ~9% faster than sprint/slide
pastel yew
if you hit the rthym its the same speed
umbral scaffold
Beautiful, I wanna fuck it
pastel yew
at least it was for me when I timed it
umbral scaffold
in Minecraft
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Each 20% drained stamina gives +1.5/2/2.5/3% melee animation speed on top of the...
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It’s just slower
pastel yew
I tested with only a tiny sprint speed bonus
tall torrent
Main benefit is conserving stamina
pastel yew
and dodging
umbral scaffold
I might be an ass towards like most of game stat buffs
tall torrent
U do get to save a lot of stamina but it is slower
umbral scaffold
I don't like straight damage buffs, I don't like attack speed buffs
tall torrent
I don't like straight damage buffs, I don't like attack speed buffs
What do u want then
umbral scaffold
I'm the kind of person that would genuinely rather have nothing if the alternative is unengaging DPS increases
I would honestly remove the 10% attack speed buffs from vet and zealot and normalize the weapons so they feel good at base attack speed, for which combat axe is notoriously shit
I'm mostly fine with chastise and WS getting attack speed because it's something a bit more involved than just a passive attack speed
tall torrent
Until combat axes get base cleave buffed and BM target reduced, I think that’s just gonna be a net buff for an already top performing weapon
umbral scaffold
Though I inherently don't like it because mashing the mouse button is a shit way to play
tall torrent
U get to spend less points (in this case, none) to reach the same atk speed
umbral scaffold
I really dislike Fatshark promoting weapons like Mk4 ILG, taxes, knife and idfk what else while also not having a macro clicker in the game
tall torrent
I don’t mind simple +dmg/power blessings and buffs, but I also want interesting contenders against them
umbral scaffold
Certain games try to solve that by separating light and heavy attacks on the mouse and allowing the player to just hold the button down
pastel yew
I think if I hadnt fucked the initial slide up it'd be almost the exact same
umbral scaffold
For example, holding LMB to spam lights and RMB for heavies
umbral scaffold
But then they introduced sprint, so I'm not really going to block with shift
pastel yew
why is my mic so staticy too
double gross
but yeah like I said, you could have slid faster
the window needed to actually get a sprint slide is instant I think
you can hear how fast I tap the keys, no sprint required just the input for it
regardless, even though I think its the same speed even if it wasn't it'd still be better
frees up your curio perks for something else, counts as dodging, can still shoot at things
I 100% think they should add a delay to the sprint slide though
you shouldnt be able to slide anywhere near as fast as you can sprint
tall torrent
Yea, around 9% faster in pure sprint
7.333s in pure sprint, 8s in sprint/slide
Pretty much identical difference to what I got
thorn lark
should they remove knife mobility tech?
pastel yew
yes
tall torrent
Slide inherently isn’t as fast as sprint because u don’t get the +sprint speed bonus on ur weapons
pastel yew
Slide inherently isn’t as fast as sprint because u don’t get the +sprint speed b...
yeah thats why I tested with bolt pistol
mobility bonus
so this is like, almost worst case testing
obviously this isn't going to match knife
tall torrent
And even without sprint bonus it’s slower over a longer distance
At least both our tests showed the same results
~9% faster in pure sprint with much higher stamina drain
thorn lark
and this why you advocate for 3 sprint eff perks
pastel yew
the first time I had timed it was identical though
tall torrent
should they remove knife mobility tech?
Add it to every weapon
pastel yew
are you sure that first fucked up follow up slide is actually faster?
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are you sure that first fucked up follow up slide is actually faster?
The speed at which u went from table to pillar is not much different between sprint and sprint slide
Whereas the overall speed for sprint/slide was slower
tall torrent
and this why you advocate for 3 sprint eff perks
I take it just so I always have stamina
Random hound/burster jumpscare
thorn lark
i've had unpushable burster with full stam bar
faint beacon
we love that
Also went 500k dmg and top scored with taxe
its mid but its my kind of mid
thorn lark
thorn lark
i doubled my melee dmg overnight using a taxe
also, i probably have grown a few inches
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The speed at which u went from table to pillar is not much different between spr...
3.3s for sprint, 3.333s for sprint/slide @pastel yew
Also that recording was 27fps for some reason, I checked multiple times
pastel yew
recorded again, pulled it into clip editor
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3.3s for sprint, 3.333s for sprint/slide <@852976418794373160>
Also that record...
This is a 1% difference which is basically negligible
pastel yew
sprint was 7.35 seconds, slide was 7.87 so yeah
slower
but not 9%
93.34% of sprint speed
I don't think I fucked up the slide this time either
there is gonna be some innacuracy either way though given our results
it'd have to be done by a machine to see the true dif but yeah
its slower
just barely
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so 7~9% slower depending on input consistency
pastel yew
so 7~9% slower depending on input consistency
not really enough info to say that
it could be way slower
depending on input
or slightly faster
like i said, would need a machine to do it
either way, sliding still better
tall torrent
better for conserving stamina over a longer distance yea
pastel yew
better for conserving stamina over a longer distance yea
well
and that you're dodging attacks
and that you can attack
for a 6.66% speed loss that's not a bad trade
or more
depending on your timing
if we assume I did it absolutely perfectly
tall torrent
I was just saying that pure sprint is faster which it is
pastel yew
mhm yeah
tall torrent
slide mix is obv better in practical situations
pastel yew
I honestly cannot feel the difference though I'll be honest
maybe its the bobbing camera
but the thing that gets me
if you're measuring 9% loss and I'm getting less than that while sliding more often
I guess the initial part of the slide
gets a boost
and the latter part is slower than sprint over all
I wonder if theres some way to slide cancel
or no its the initial part of your sprint which is boosted? slide is dependent on move speed
wtf
rigid pilot
Use the movement analyser to test
pastel yew
Use the movement analyser to test
the whar?
rigid pilot
Mod
Tells you your real move speed
Also can calculate average speed
Needs a bit of tinkering though
tall torrent
Use the movement analyser to test
that one is a bit bugged
pastel yew
ah sadge
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I asked kuli abt it, the move speed curve is not accurate
rigid pilot
Curve?
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it's how the myth of CB3 being faster movement than CB6 spread
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Curve?
move speed is calculated with move speed curve which that mod doesn't represent very well
rigid pilot
How so?
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also @faint beacon @thorn lark I have a very brave idea
rigid pilot
I have no idea what that means
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the mod showed CB6 H1 move speed being slower than CB3 H1 move speed
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when that's not really the case
rigid pilot
And that's not accurate?
thorn lark
we should do a mael trio taxe only?
tall torrent
And that's not accurate?
yea
thorn lark
tac axe 4 headtaker + AoN
why the 4?
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why the 4?
cuz it doesn't work that well with BM so the normal build is HT + shred right
but
shred drops stacks on miss which is cringe
however
tac axes use PA a lot
u also sprint into fights most of the time in this game
thorn lark
i probably have a mk4 around that i can use
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this means u pretty much start every fight with ~3 stacks of AoN (+24% power)
thorn lark
ohhh
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and can relatively easily maintain 3~4 stacks
thorn lark
then you keep the momentum going
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this means u pretty much start every fight with ~3 stacks of AoN (+24% power)
it's also better than decimator because u just need to PA to keep AoN up which ur gonna do on tac axes anyway
thorn lark
i should probably not take the stam delay node
tall torrent
whereas decimator is, miss 1 hit and drop all stacks, very cringe
thorn lark
i don't mind that part, i am used to shred
tall torrent
to have 3 stacks of AoN u need to be missing 60% stamina
thorn lark
that's the other condition of deci that pains me a bit
tall torrent
not hard to sprint into a fight at 40% stamina
or to PA to gate urself at low stam
pastel yew
shreds fine, its also sorta hard to miss a melee swing
not like they're ducking and weaving
tall torrent
I was thinking abt AoN over HT on combat axes
thorn lark
to have 3 stacks of AoN u need to be missing 60% stamina
with my zealot and my vet i am around 1 or 2 bar max of stam (and i use a +3 stam curios in both cases)
tall torrent
cuz combat axes also use PA a lot just for horde control
and AoN's main benefit is that u basically start every fight with +power ready
it's just that combat axes don't use PA on everything
ogryns, maulers & bosses (ogryns & maulers' breakpoints benefit from HT's consistency)
whereas tac axes do cuz u basically just throw any attack u have
it's prob too much hassle for combat axes but it might not be bad for tac axes
it's also +power (total), not +melee power like headtaker
thorn lark
that could work well with a throwing knife then
that's the part of dt that i like
it's not take a knife/ds and put uncanny on it and call it a day
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it's not take a knife/ds and put uncanny on it and call it a day
also HT + AoN might work well for tac axe 2 & 7
I re-evaluated it
thorn lark
(and you don't really need uncanny on a knife)
tall torrent
the diagonal angle is too steep
BM usually doesn't hit 4 weakspots on tac axes
u don't miss out on that much by not taking BM tbh
thorn lark
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what am I cooking
thorn lark
if i take headtaker, i want unarmored
if i take shred, unarmored has no value
ok, so using bm+shred, you want to invest in flak to get the dreg bruiser bp... and i like unyielding for the second tbh
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I just personally don't enjoy the "drop all stacks on miss" blessings
thorn lark
but AoN + HT is very tempting ngl
thorn lark
if i take shred, unarmored has no value
i forgot that i could add +15% melee dmg
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but AoN + HT is very tempting ngl
my other hot take is that
I thought further
maybe AoN is not a bad idea for ogryn's branx pickaxe?
thorn lark
my other hot take is that
with that i reach the os bp unarmored bruisers with not ht stacks, on a crit
tall torrent
maybe AoN is not a bad idea for ogryn's branx pickaxe?
cuz
u also sprint a lot (which uses a lot of stamina)
and branx will also PA a lot because the H2 > L0 loop is way too slow for horde most of the time
thorn lark
god you really need crits to make the taxes shine
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god you really need crits to make the taxes shine
yea they're finesse weapons
thorn lark
yeah i know i know
thorn lark
cuz
u also sprint a lot (which uses a lot of stamina)
and branx will also PA a l...
you have a lot of stam as an ogryn tho
tall torrent
you have a lot of stam as an ogryn tho
Yea but at the same time u drain stamina super fast in sprint
Just some thoughts
I think it’s prob
Worth considering on tac axes
Maybe worth considering on combat axes
thorn lark
so hmm, yeah all or nothing + ht looks like it's not worse than other options
tall torrent
And maybe (smaller maybe) for branx Pickaxe
Also
On veteran
With 10% atk speed node
Tac axe’s PA > H2 combo
Is just fast enough to be finished
Before stamina starts regenerating (no stam regen delay boost nodes)
This is more relevant on mk2 tho
thorn lark
i think aon + ht + despe + momentun keystone or martyrdom could reaaaally a lot of dmg
tall torrent
Mk7 PA chains into H2 which nobody wants
If only tac axes’ heavy overhead had actually good dmg
thorn lark
Tac axe’s PA > H2 combo
it's h1 not h2 iirc
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it's h1 not h2 iirc
On mk2 it chains into H2, maybe it’s different for mk7
I forgot, I checked these weapons’ movesets too long ago
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Exploit weakness is also just sad
It should work well with high Crit chance melee weapons but it just doesn’t
thorn lark
It should work well with high Crit chance melee weapons but it just doesn’t
why does it not work?
tall torrent
Oh mk7 PA into H1, nice
tall torrent
why does it not work?
Because u kinda don’t Crit enough to stack it up on a big target to make a difference
Most weapons kill the enemy by the time they Crit twice
Or they just suck vs that armor type so much that the 20% brittleness doesn’t help it much
U need reciprocity & desperado to both be up to really feed into exploit weakness
But even then at full 20% brittleness it’s only like 200? More dmg on Crit weakspot
On crushers
It’s rly just not worth it
thorn lark
i don't have enough point to take it
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But even then at full 20% brittleness it’s only like 200? More dmg on Crit weaks...
Goes from 700 smth to around 900
On a tac axe 4 with +10% elite and +25% carapace
thorn lark
also, run and gun + agile engagement + aon
tall torrent
So yea it’s bad
tall torrent
also, run and gun + agile engagement + aon
The only gun that’s like, ok with run&gun is boltpistol
And Agripinaa revolver ig
thorn lark
i was thinkg of the bolt yeah
faint beacon
Your safest perk combo with taxes I could assume if you're focusing more horde clear would probably be UnFlak
Also got this Taxe 4
crimson pebble
Its mightve just been me losing my mind but the brittleness node did feel like it helped p well w the shock maul against crushers
faint beacon
yeah its BM but I think it can be worked with
rigid pilot
Yesnt
umbral scaffold
I'd bank on the second blessing being good for the power sword
The lasgun is very nice and it'll be a solid stepping stone for one with more stopping power, though it might not even be entirely necessary and the mobility+stability might even bet more beneficial than a bit more damage
idle pecan
the 2 perks for the ps are basically groll no?
umbral scaffold
I believe I only use carapace on mine
Might be thanks to those +melee nodes tho, idk the mafs
But they're both involved in the crusher double-tap in their own ways
I think you could enable the talents slowly to see when it reaches the breakpoint with those 2 perks
lusty sapphire
Braced autos still nice? Is it still the agripina on top?
thorn lark
also HT + AoN might work well for tac axe 2 & 7
i tested it on a mk4 (not my usual taxe) and it works
so i bought a bunch of mk7 that i upgraded and somehow rng was on my side
i will do further testing tonight
untold hull
https://youtu.be/o6vDjQpxV98?si=QKY7c8HTvZ2ePwfu
holy shit this video is old
thorn lark
Yeah lol but the moveset is still the same!
thorn lark
got this as a quest reward, worth upgrading?
Yeah, you can. Weakspot dmg will have to go tho.
idle pecan
ah ok
idle pecan
superiority complex or rending strikes
thorn lark
Hmmm. I would say superiority complex but actually I never bothered to check if rending strikes gave me more... Probably not but you should try it the psykhanium
pastel yew
holy shit this video is old
take me back... veteran free reload... 30 bolt shell bagdumps...
marble mantle
What are the best weapons to deal with rager hordes?
Like, ranged
Not melee
If it helps, I’m using weapon specialist and agile engagement, so preferably something I can switch to on the fly
marble mantle
Oh okay bet
rigid pilot
Plasma/zarona
marble mantle
I can work with that
austere mica
Or Devils claw swords
marble mantle
Also, am I kinda fucking myself if I stop taking serrated and mercy killer on my knife? I was thinking about taking precog instead
Gives me an extra point too
austere mica
Can you send your knife?
austere mica
It’s be fine probably, they have the same straight bonus if you really need that 1 point
Also
Random recommendation
marble mantle
Like I’m dodging all the time, and I’m running repricosity(?)
austere mica
Unyielding to Flak
austere mica
Unyielding is fine but Flak is probably better for mk6
You stab a lot more bruisers and flak elites than Reapers and Bulwarks + bosses
austere mica
That is a really nice knife though
idle pecan
What are the best weapons to deal with rager hordes?
columnus hasn't failed me yet
grand perch
braced autoguns counter rager pretty hard
marble mantle
Honestly I’m kind of surprised that the slug shotty can open up a bulwark but can’t stop a mutant
Would seem like something, you know, slightly less formidable
marble mantle
braced autoguns counter rager pretty hard
Any specific reason why?
marble mantle
columnus hasn't failed me yet
Yeah it’s a great all rounder
grand perch
Any specific reason why?
it kills them good with high enough magsize to chew through a lot of them
marble mantle
Brautos don't stagger ragers like shotguns afaik
Which one would be more efficient?
grand perch
also they run into your effective range so no worries about accuracy
rigid pilot
Which one would be more efficient?
Apples and oranges
marble mantle
Ahhh okay
rigid pilot
Both play different
I tend to prefer agrip shotty on FT builds
Let's you oneshot gunners from decently far away
Just play both and figure out which one you like more
marble mantle
Good point
trim hemlock
Does anyone happen to know what happened to Yuriminalsky?
last parcel
kia in the siege of miracil by a crisis battlesuit
bright fjord
probably a tired question but any estimate on the crafting overhaul?
austere mica
End of summer
wise jackal
The blog was very clear on the date
austere mica
Ish
thick kestrel
as long as it takes Hadron to complete the appropriate rituals of activation and deployment essentially
scarlet vessel
tried to make bolt pistol work. the moment when i cant snap shot penetrate past trash mob to hit the sniper/ flamer blocked by the mobs i drop it
austere mica
You can make it tap crushers pretty easily
I like it more than revolver though
Feels deserving of its massive damage
pastel yew
tried to make bolt pistol work. the moment when i cant snap shot penetrate past ...
short vet problems, just be tall
all the important stuff are above the pleb head height
pastel yew
You can make it tap crushers pretty easily
its crusher kills feel p rough though
need some way of getting guaranteed crits and even then its not super clean
like 3 to the head I think
austere mica
1 shot
pastel yew
I think you can get it down to 2
austere mica
Point blank
pastel yew
1 shot how?
last parcel
by spending every point on ranged damage and getting a deadly accurate crit
pastel yew
ah
taking cara damage for all that sounds a bit
much
means no maniac
but I guess you dont need maniac as much with mf
austere mica
1 crit and 1 normal with no buffs
pastel yew
bolt pistol is super fun though, honestly my second favourite weapon in the game currently
austere mica
taking cara damage for all that sounds a bit
I can kill everything important except for flamers in 1hs
And dogs
pastel yew
even with exec stance no flamer one tap??
austere mica
But like
austere mica
even with exec stance no flamer one tap??
Oh with exe stance it’s easy
But without a crit mine needs 2 to kill a flamer
pastel yew
you're not running deadshot?
austere mica
Nope
pastel yew
I guess its not as important if you have exec stance but
austere mica
Surgical
radiant chasm
Deadshot surgical still synergize
radiant chasm
You can get the muscle memory crit
austere mica
Supression immunity and skill
radiant chasm
Fair enough
austere mica
I need the points to make the crusher bp work
pastel yew
you not noticed it snapping?
its not skill its rng like
its literally bugged
same as the boltgun, bugged forever
thats why exec stance and or deadshot are basically mandatory
because they reduce the sway and recoil enough that it doesnt snap and bug out
bug was reported and acknowledged like over a year ago btw, no fix
even though the fix is clearly to reduce the sway
austere mica
Well I haven’t noticed or have forgotten about whatever fuckery this is
pastel yew
I dont know how you cant have like... maybe its not as bad with ironsights
but put an optic on using weapon customization
you can see the snap clearly
austere mica
What do you mean by snap
pastel yew
theres a reddit post somewhere of someone in the psykanium literally showing it teleport
zoomed in and slowed
austere mica
That’s the thing confusing me
pastel yew
after your first shot
you have mad recoil
the aim doesnt always reset properly
and when that happens
it teleports
I'll see if I can get you a clip
I have once again forgotten to mute the mic input
I'm not sure what its using as a mic input but its awful so mute the clip
not present on every shot but look closely
austere mica
It’s just snaping back to accurate aim right
pastel yew
it teleports and you miss
its also not consistent like
it only happens sometimes
sometimes it wont happen for a stretch, and then other times it happens a lot
in the first mag I fired there
it happened once
I think it was three times on the second?
austere mica
I guess I just ignored it as part of the recoil anim
I’m also using surgical so this won’t be the hugest issue
pastel yew
yeah if you just wait its fine but
if you want to kill things at a reasonable pace it fucks you up
doesnt happen ever with exec stance or deadshot
I think like literally the sway is so high that the game can't account for it properly
austere mica
I’ve used both bolter and bistol and this hasn’t been a problem I can remember having
The it fucking with me part at least
pastel yew
I have no idea how you've not noticed it, to me its crippling
but normally I play very quickly
you can get around it without either of those skills though by unaiming
and aiming again
but it looks buggy as fuck
austere mica
I’m a very conservative shooter so that also might be a factor
pastel yew
this is what happens when you ads cancel
the shots are accurate ish but you cant see shit
lmfao
pastel yew
but yeah bug acknowledged since 2022
hearty panther
The recoil has two stages
pastel yew
it feels punchy when you use exec stance or deadshot though
its the visuals and sound design that sell the illusion
hearty panther
Yes.
hearty panther
Yeah if you fire a shot there's the recoil actual. And then the recoil visual.
pastel yew
Yeah if you fire a shot there's the recoil actual. And then the recoil visual.
they're different?
hearty panther
First one ends when it means to. Your shot will be accurate.
The second one ends 250ish millisecnds after
And is your camera dropping back down to center
That second one is why it feels twitchy and annoying
You try to fire just as your camera resets and you 'suddenly miss'
If you keep firing repeatedly before that camera reset occurs
It just keeps going higher
Once you see it you can't unsee it lol
thorn lark
and AoN's main benefit is that u basically start every fight with +power ready
it works, i am almost constantly at full stacks and it also works really well on zealot (with desperation and momentum on top)