veteran-class

[upper dock]

This longbomb penance is impossible for me

[winter dock]

that's alot of investment for something that is only arguably useful

[tall torrent]

This is not a magdump set-up btw

[winter dock]

When you could just take the baseline option, give it a small amount of juice so it oneshots medium stuff and be happy

[tall torrent]

This is a surgical DMR set-up

[winter dock]

I have dumped boltgun into a plogryn head before and never seen that kind of output, so idk what you did to get that

maybe its just the benefit of controlled environment

a real plogryn head is twitchy as fuck

[junior needle]

It also has a red pot

[winter dock]

true, red stim is a big boost

[junior needle]

and yes stationary targets help

[tall torrent]

Get +25% power and +25% unyielding dmg perk

[winter dock]

also costs 0 talents

[tall torrent]

Red stim is just because I was too lazy to set up PF stacks

Realistically same result

VoC has better boss dmg just because u can force boss to stand still for a while

[winter dock]

shout is definitely the best ability for it

volley fire in general, I feel, is sort of lackluster because it provides 0 safety

[tall torrent]

But exe does a lot for Boltgun

[winter dock]

and the vet really really needs safety

every time I take volley fire I constantly get fucking cucked by random ass garbage that it doesn't highlight because my team is everywhere and can't hold a perimeter worth a shit

[crimson pebble]

This is what iv been running for boltpistol and powersword would you change anything specific on it i imagine the rending could prob go to field improv but not sure @tall torrent

[hearty panther]

i think thats a funny way to say "i overrelied on shout knockback and piss toughness to cover for my positioning"

[winter dock]

In theory its strong, but it takes wayyyy too much effort to set up and keep going when the game is like 80% punching poxwalkers/dregs with your melee

[hearty panther]

considering 95% of vets are already going to rock shout for you, and vets are like, almost 50% of the player base, you dont need to bring your own shout, and can instead reap the benefits of xstance demolishing anything vaguely dangerous

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity for power sword is bit weird
Don’t think u need rending for either weapons
Redirect fire is needed for boltpistol 1 taps
Not sure why u went ET over CK for toughness gain
I think suppression immunity is must-pick for boltpistol personally

[winter dock]

If I hit volley fire I get at most 5 seconds to kill the next yellow target, and if I have to stop to deal with the steady piss-stream of poxxers coming from behind us I end up with even less time to keep the chain going; if I get to switch back to gun at all.

[winter dock]

See on a coordinated team that works. Good luck guaranteeing an allied shouty vet in QP. Statistically it happens yeah but its never guaranteed

[grand perch]

get used to dodging instinctively while taking exec shots at the important targets

[winter dock]

just as likely to get 2 cocaine zealots who run off to narnia and leave you to tackle 2 dogs, a mutie, and a trapper by yourself amidst a horde of maulers and a rager herd

[crimson pebble]

I tried it w the suppression immunity the other day and i was like over correcting for the sway and missing a ton

And also reciprocity works on ranged aswell doesnt it

[tall torrent]

Yea but reciprocity is a pretty massively overrated talent lol

[winter dock]

Doesn't work half the time. Can't dodge forwards, and dodging sideways doesn't stop them tracking onto me especially if there's multiple of them. I do dodge instinctively whenevr I hear the windup noise that means "you're about to get thwacked"

[tall torrent]

On smth like power sword you typically end up killing things before u get to dodge attacks

And even when u get to dodge just because PS’s dodge profile is so shit it’s not nearly as good as it can be

[crimson pebble]

I mainly picked up for increased crit for the pistol tbh

[tall torrent]

Power sword has like
1 major Crit breakpoint? And that’s it

[grand perch]

still worth it, especially if you have enouzgh toughness left to profit from iron will

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity is also hilariously inconsistent if you plan on using it for ur ranged weapon

[grand perch]

not worth it all the time ofc

[winter dock]

Well yeah, its why I do dodge instictively, but it fundamentally does not solve the problem

[crimson pebble]

Also not sure what you meant w et and ck

[tall torrent]

Exhilarating takedown vs confirmed kill

ET is prob the worst toughness gain talent for vet rn

Both CK and O4B outperform it

[winter dock]

which is me getting a bucketheaded prick's beat stick halfway up my colon when I'm trying to take care of the 2 snipers, 3 flamers, and entire battalion of shooters at the other end of the room

[tall torrent]

Longshot nerfed, genuinely no reason to take top left anymore

[crimson pebble]

How was longshot nerfed

[tall torrent]

Close range redefined from 8m to 12.5m

Meaning longshot now activates at 12.5m+ instead of 8m+

[crimson pebble]

Ohh indirect nerf

[grand perch]

did that happen last patch? mustve missed it among the notes

[tall torrent]

It’s a pretty direct nerf and only majorly impacts 1 weapon on 1 specific build

[marble mantle]

Is infernus a good pick for mk2?

[crimson pebble]

Shit whole reason i was going down that side was for longshot

[tall torrent]

What gun

[marble mantle]

Recon mk2

[tall torrent]

It’s alr

[hearty panther]

its ok

your choices are basically dumdum + who cares

[marble mantle]

I haven’t gotten it yet, I’m just curious.

Oh on the guide it says the only necessary one is headhunter

[tall torrent]

The longshot nerf only impacts plasma on WS build but it’s a really big change

[winter dock]

I like the one the name of which I can't remember that gives you stacking crit chance whenever you weakpoint and don't get a crit

[tall torrent]

Headhunter

[winter dock]

on the recon las the guaranteed crits every few shots makes it ez to kill armored stuff

[acoustic carbon]

When redirect fire is activated and is at max - say, at 8 stacks - , if you were to kill a special enemy that is marked while your stack is at 8, it'll remain it's stack amount and the 8 stacks will just refresh. And that is 12% Damage for you and the mates in coherency. And since I tag very often, my stacks remain at 8 throughout the level. Having permanent 12% damage is simply cannot be bad.

[winter dock]

Wow they STILL haven't fixed that? IDC if its intentional that's dumb as fuck

I'm never gonna use that keystone for as long as it remains optimal to create an auto-macro that spams the spot button

[tall torrent]

Not taking that 8 stack modifier still has redirect fire give you +7.5% dmg for whole team, so the 8 stack modifier realistically only makes redirect fire go from +7.5% to +12%, a 4.5% increase

You decide if a conditional 4.5% dmg increase (lower than fire team aura btw) is worth spending 1 point on

[crimson pebble]

Think of all the breakpoints

[tall torrent]

Yea it doesn’t change anything unless u also run fire team

Then it might for like 3 weapons

It’s not worth it, simply put

[crimson pebble]

I know was joke

[last parcel]

i take 8 stacks so i can hold it all game and annoy my teammates when i only tag a poxhound in the last 2 minutes of the match

[crimson pebble]

Fuck that hound in particular

[tall torrent]

You don’t need a macro to use FT keystone, u just tag enemies like a normal person and get benefits

Idk why people are either “u need a macro to auto tag enemies” or “bind tag to m1”

Both sides are dumb

[last parcel]

tagging enemies like a normal person means never tagging

[acoustic carbon]

it's still pretty good. To each their own. Everyone has a different playstyle.

[grand perch]

i dont get it either, is clicking the middle mouse button so much of a hassle?

[tall torrent]

It’s not good enough for 1 point cost in vast majority of situations for vast majority of weapons

Dmg increase that doesn’t make u kill things meaningfully faster is rather pointless

[somber axle]

People hate pinging because "wHy PiNg JuSt KilL tHe TaRgEt??"

Goofy

[tall torrent]

Personally, yes
Which is why I binded it to a mechanical key on my keyboard so I can press it faster

[grand perch]

dont need a ping macro when you yourself are a ping machine

[somber axle]

Don't ping hound
Forget hound exists as it runs around a corner
10 seconds later hound jumps player
"Dogs are so sneaky! Wow! They need to make dogs louder!"

[winter dock]

Yes, it requires me taking either my middle or index finger off one of the critical mouse buttons, finagling the wheel so that it actually clicks instead of rolls, and if it happens to roll I switch weapons on accident. Its annoying and not a part of my long-term muscle memory nor will it ever be

[last parcel]

f8 ping gang

[grand perch]

weird flex but ok

[tall torrent]

Bind it to a different key then

[tall torrent]

300+ enemies tagged per mission

[somber axle]

I have mine bound to C! This is because I C the target to my squad can See the target too

[last parcel]

i bind c for cmoke grenade and f for flashbang

[grand perch]

am i too left handed to understand why your middle finger isnt on the middle mouse button

[somber axle]

But anyway I have played a lot of MMORPG so I could do some dumb nonsense like alt+G for ping and probably still be ok LOL

[grand perch]

am i just digitly challenged?

[winter dock]

three of the fingers on my left hand are dedicated to WASD- which is critically important in this game specially because of directional dodges. I suppose I could bind it to the space bar since that's the only button my thumb can actually reach without impeding my mainhand's movements. Shift and Ctrl are both taken doing other things and capslock is out of the question

eugh

[tall torrent]

My middle finger is on mouse m2

[last parcel]

most people have index on m1 and middle on m2

[tall torrent]

Bind it to a number key or smth

[crimson pebble]

Its left bumper for ping on controller so if anything it might take away your ads for like half a sec

[winter dock]

that's even worse holy god

[crimson pebble]

And thats if you want to be lazy and not just use your middle finger

[winter dock]

best I can I think of its one of my thumb buttons, but one of them is PTT and the other is the bind for giving a stim/pack to another player

idk if the game allows double binds

xd

[tall torrent]

What’s ptt

[winter dock]

push to talk

[somber axle]

Bind it to a guitar hero controller shake

[grand perch]

bind it to a banana wired to your usb port

[tall torrent]

U could always use the forbidden technique and bind tag to m2

[crimson pebble]

Darktide in the wii nunchuck when

[plain escarp]

worth getting? I don't have a 17% toughness curio

[tall torrent]

Whenever u block/ADS at smth, u tag it

[winter dock]

Never! NEVER!

[somber axle]

Port Darktide to the Switch so I can play it at work on break

[winter dock]

I think the fact that this is even a conversation at all is stupid as fuck

just make the duration longer

[tall torrent]

What duration

[winter dock]

of the buff?

[tall torrent]

Redirect fire? It alrdy lasts 10s

Why do u need more than 10s to tag smth

[winter dock]

So you don't have to spend 80% of the match counting to 10 over and over

[tall torrent]

Idk why you’re even counting 10s

[last parcel]

i just got so lost lmao

[tall torrent]

It should just be very natural

[winter dock]

well I'm not gonna be pinging every single fucking elite/special I look at

[hearty panther]

then dont use it

[winter dock]

Exactly

I don't

[tall torrent]

Are u rly playing lore-accurate veteran if u don’t have 200+ tags per mission

Regardless of FT keystone

[winter dock]

and i won't unless/until its changed to be less micromanagey

at least the other two keystones don't require any extra actions beyond the normal loop

just plink heads or hotswap

[crimson pebble]

Traxis something something gameplay

[astral ingot]

There is a mod for that

[last parcel]

grab. +dockets is the goat

[somber axle]

300+ tags and squad highlight because I'm RPing a spotter and I need everyone to see the problems at all times with my wall hacks that I'm beaming into your brain because I'm a psyker

[winter dock]

this one explicitly requires me breaking focus just to hit a button and refresh an extraordinarily short duration buff

and its annoying

[grand perch]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-ping-discord-ping-pings-mass-ping-gif-2196332929166408226

lore accurate vet

[winter dock]

You know what would be cool?

[last parcel]

ice on my testicles

[winter dock]

If this was instead just a team-oriented version of the psyker keystone

[hearty panther]

if you learned to tag?

[winter dock]

randomly spots something every 10 seconds or whatever and that's it

gives the bonuses for killing it

so its a team buff version of the psyker thing

[plain escarp]

Ehrm what the sigma. I thought those perks were bad

[somber axle]

you can do that by randomly binding ping to S and space bar so when you're backpedaling or dodging you can accidentally ping things while fighting a horde

[crimson pebble]

Also why is the infiltrate noise nvgs but it doesnt help you see on lights out maps fatshark

[winter dock]

XD

TRUE

[somber axle]

just forget the keybinds exist and suddenly "OH THERE'S A RAGER HERE"

[last parcel]

bind +s "explode"

[somber axle]

wdym doesn't your infiltrate also give you weird night vision?

[crimson pebble]

Its definitely green

Thats about it

[winter dock]

It does help with the games "natural" lowlight areas

[somber axle]

infiltrate has done a weird effect for a while where lights out/vent purge becomes very visible during infiltrate but I don't like to talk about it because it feels like cheating and could get patched out

[winter dock]

but lightsout you're still blind as a bat

[hearty panther]

no no they arent nightvision goggles to see at night, theyre night vision goggles so everything looks like night

[somber axle]

fog from vent purge is just not visible at all with infiltrate stealth active in my experience

[hearty panther]

you gotta pay attention before you order off amazon

[tall torrent]

Nah it’d be worse

[somber axle]

and similarly instead of just pitch black it reveals the map to almost normal but very green lighting for nearly normal appearance

I haven't been using infiltrate in vent purge or lights out lately though

[tall torrent]

Cuz then you don’t have control over what target you want to be highlighted

[last parcel]

highlight the dreg bruiser in the back

[somber axle]

Exe Stance + squad highlight because I like the horror vibes but I also like being a helpful support

[grand perch]

random thought: dying to max corruption should mutate you into a spawn and enable versus mode

[winter dock]

I forgot that the squad highlight talent even exists

because it just feels like such a waste of a point

I mean realistically it's good, right, I guess

[crimson pebble]

Idk i only tried it once and if it did change it wasnt noticeable enough imo to go wow this could be specificly useful

[winter dock]

but it could be +10 toughness

[somber axle]

dying to max corruption should turn you into a poxburster and make you run into the nearest team mate to explode

[winter dock]

instead of a talent that does technically nothing for me at all

[tall torrent]

It’s not a waste of a point, it’s just generally not needed

[grand perch]

youre hired, now get to programming

[crimson pebble]

Being launched out of a beast of nurgle like a bomb

[somber axle]

it felt like cheating to me tbh because suddenly I could see the map clearly LOL

[tall torrent]

If exe stance refreshed from teammates killing highlighted enemies then that node would be pretty huge and almost BiS

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-digital-circus-pomni-shaking-shivering-trembling-gif-1815100900790237791

I can't go back to my game design high school classes

[tall torrent]

Cuz then there’s zero downside to taking it

[winter dock]

True, that would be good. Probably too good tbh

[somber axle]

yes

[winter dock]

it'd be basically 100% uptime aas long as there's valid enemies in the room

[tall torrent]

Can’t say too good when VoC is strong as is

[somber axle]

tbh Burgle needs a buff anyway

[tall torrent]

No

[somber axle]

it can't kill you and it should be able to

let it just dissolve you if you hit 1 HP instead

turn you to 0 HP

and kill you

[winter dock]

Burgle's threat is the corruption is applies

its causes long-term damage

[grand perch]

and getting knocked off ledges

[somber axle]

for somehow hitting max corruption and being swallowed by slug

[tall torrent]

BoN spawn in clandestium gloriana starting section:

[winter dock]

that said it doesn't cause enough and its made of tinfoil

it need more health to actually have time to cause relevant amounts of corruption

[somber axle]

yeah now make BoN an actual threat on all maps instead of just when you're stuck on a walkway for painting windows

[grand perch]

it just wants to play (lore accurate)

[winter dock]

I mean it has a big glowing weakpoint, its kind of weird that it just has normal amounts of boss health

[crimson pebble]

Iv met horrible fates in the drop down one way hallway at the start to beast many times

[somber axle]

right now Burgles are just big slow and focused on area denial when they're really piddly and easily countered by just jumping over their snail trails LOL

they're only irritating to fight 1v1

[winter dock]

a burgle amidst a horde can be annoying

[somber axle]

but they're not threatening at all

make them DANGEROUS

[winter dock]

but they're nothing like a plogryn

or a cspawn

[somber axle]

these are BEASTS OF NURGLE they should be SCARY

[crimson pebble]

I swear its purposely brought me to demonhost a couple times atleast

[somber axle]

me too but I just sorta back away from the Daemonhost after LOL

I got vomited next to a sitting Daemonhost

it floated up

I scurried away

ezpz

anyway yeah it's just sorta goofy and dumb watching someone at 1 HP max corruption sit curled up inside a Burgle totally alive and fine

let them MELT AND DIE

[crimson pebble]

Shouldnt the beast try and attk the demonhost as it wouldnt know any better in lore

[tall torrent]

Yea having an unblockable attack that does 800 toughness dmg is enough

[somber axle]

just don't get vomited on LOL

[tall torrent]

That’s not the vomit

[somber axle]

literally cannot swallow anyone if you don't get vomited on

do you mean the easily countered snail trail or the body flop?

[tall torrent]

No?

lol

[somber axle]

I have no idea what you're talking about then because they're not a threat at all LOL

they're the easiest boss to kite to death

[tall torrent]

Tail whip

Unblockable, 800 toughness dmg

[somber axle]

yeah that's just a very slow and obvious attack you can dodge back from

[tall torrent]

It’s just turbo annoying to fight

[somber axle]

like Plogryn you can just sorta

avoid it

Chaos Spawn is random and faster than both so it's at least scary for people during hectic moments because of how in your face it will constantly be

[crimson pebble]

Wonder if their ever going to release that flamer plague ogryn

[somber axle]

Plogryn is just to slow and predictable

Burgle is even slower and less of a threat

[winter dock]

a Ranged boss would be horrifying

[tall torrent]

Once u learn chaos spawn moveset it’s just not threatening

[somber axle]

anyway even if you somehow do eat a full 800 easily dodgeable Pokemon tail whip just pop Voice of Command

suddenly more than just back to full toughness but also at gold toughness too

[tall torrent]

BoN is always annoying to fight

[somber axle]

yeah it's really not that scary as you get more experience fighting it and I miss how scary it was when I was newer LOL

[crimson pebble]

Beast by itself is easy its when its right as a horde hits too it becomes a problem imo

[tall torrent]

The only way chaos spawn can be scary is if it keeps changing targets

[somber axle]

Burgle is deadly on the new map walkways and that's it really

[tall torrent]

Because then basically nobody gets to hit weakspot and u get a drawn out fight

Same applies to plague ogryn

[crimson pebble]

Also i think beast is the only one you cant voc off ledges

[somber axle]

any other time it's just sorta existing as a meaty damage sponge waiting for people to beat it down while it does nothing threatening to the team but maybe catch someone off guard with the silly body belly flop or tail slap

or if someone is really bad at kiting

vomit and swallow

[tall torrent]

If it keeps changing targets and keeps doing combo/uppercut instead of overhead, plague ogryn is also annoying

[somber axle]

yeah it just wiggles in place if staggered, but doesn't get knocked back

[somber axle]

we already have that but they're bullied to death surprisingly often

traitor captains for assassination missions

and Karnak Twins but like just one of them

[elder fiber]

Plogryn mostly annoying for me when people kite it backwards for no reason instead of holding ground vs it

[somber axle]

usually traitor captain boss fight is the easiest part of a mission

[elder fiber]

Or people decide to fight it in an area with multiple death drops

[crimson pebble]

Wish we had the twins just randomly showing up still

[tall torrent]

Same for chaos spawn

[elder fiber]

Yeah def

Plz side dodge I don't want to do half the level again chasing these fuckers lmao

[somber axle]

They should make a Maelstrom modifier that spawns in Traitor Captains at random amidst patrols for miniboss battles

then add that to no ammo scab only maelstroms

[tame lodge]

Captain Ambush

[somber axle]

Captain Amberica

[tame lodge]

'Moerica

[winter dock]

well the traitor captain's are terrifying when they actually decide to use their damn gun, instead of spending 80% of their time using their bad melee or getting stunned by a broken shield

a genuine ranged boss like the bigger beasts just doesn't get stunned except by the special abilities and kraks

[somber axle]

idk they seem pretty easy to dodge for both ranged attacks and melee attacks in general

[tall torrent]

Traitor captain’s problem is that he’s the least threatening boss by far

[somber axle]

their final fight usually ends up being 4 rejects beating them to death in melee before anything but poxwalkers spawn in

maybe sometimes you get a squad of ragers before the captain is beat to death

[tall torrent]

He has like, 1 dangerous attack

[elder fiber]

give captains mauler/crusher overhead so you actually have to give a shit about them hitting you

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent You already understand How much I dislike the Zarona

however

[winter dock]

Yeah, we have so much dps we can pop shield and nearly instakill him before much of anything spawns in. The real threat of the traitor captain fight is that you have to deal with it in the middle of a giant horde

[faint beacon]

Melk is selling this

[tall torrent]

Still not rly a problem because they have like twice as slow overhead animation lol

[elder fiber]

Yeah I know

[tall torrent]

U could buy if u want

[faint beacon]

May as well

[somber axle]

yeah so make him more threatening by just randomly adding him in as an additional threat with patrols because dealing with 2 traitor captains and 2 other monstrosities simultaneously with a horde, specials and elites would be fun

[faint beacon]

it would be better than the current one I have

[elder fiber]

But still better than just facetanking the nerd while everybody pounds him into paate

[somber axle]

they're not a problem on their own but they'd make battles feel more dynamic just existing

[tall torrent]

I sorted my inventory last night and made 700k dockets by selling stuff I won’t need when the itemization update drops

[winter dock]

Traitor Captain spawning as a normal boss lol

[somber axle]

no no don't let them replace the other bosses

[faint beacon]

Hot take can we just

[tall torrent]

I'm so ready for crafting update

[somber axle]

I want the other boss spawns to stay the same tbh

[faint beacon]

Have TC as a Monstrosity spawn

[tall torrent]

[elder fiber]

Honestly bring back the aoe deleting toughness, its ffunny

[somber axle]

I just also want traitor captains littered around maps at random too

[crimson pebble]

Have like every 10th mauler be a chance as spawning as a captain instead

[marble mantle]

They should bring back standard bearers from vt2

[somber axle]

like 2-4+ traitor captains per mission or something in addition to whatever other boss spawns occur (and even more funny on monstrosity mutation maelstroms)

[astral ingot]

Damnation patrols should be headed by captains tbh

[marble mantle]

Have it be a captain with a banner or a shout or something

[marble mantle]

Exactly

[elder fiber]

Yeah we need mobs of 15 standard bearers dropping right on top of players

[somber axle]

Add in the Vermintide pole rat

[marble mantle]

In vt2 there was really only 1 or 2 per horde

[astral ingot]

I want pats to be an OH CRAP moment like in vermintide

[somber axle]

also wait

make Traitor Captains give an aura buff substantionally increasing damage and move speed of all scab faction enemies

[elder fiber]

In normal matches yeah, in chaos wastes the flagboy mob from chests was such nonsense

[somber axle]

watch Crushers, Maulers and Flak Ragers NYOOM

make Scab Shooters and Scab Gunners more scary

[marble mantle]

Yeah but that’s chaos wastes lol

Those were always fucked

[crimson pebble]

Give them stun immunity like the green

[marble mantle]

Thinking of switching my smokes to kraks so I can get the extra point, but I’m a little hesitant considering kraks are usually how I deal with crusher pats

[crimson pebble]

Simply stealth and throw your teammates into a sink or swim situation ez

[somber axle]

tbh if I were to make Traitor Captains a regular part of patrols I'd just make the traitor captain not appear until Heresy difficulty and spawns are 0-2 per Heresy map without the shield on any Heresy Traitor Captains
shield appears on Traitor Captains who are guaranteed at least 1 spawn per map but can go 1-3 per Standard Damnation
2-4+ in Auric Damnation
then add in a modifier for Maelstroms to make them appear more regularly guiding patrols for Scab Only that lets them give Scab faction an aura buff for increasing their move speed and damage

[marble mantle]

Lmfao that is evil

[tall torrent]

Is this with knife?

[marble mantle]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

I’d go reciprocity over CQKZ for knife

Also what gun

[crimson pebble]

We should get a dreg captain or witch i guess now that i think about it

[somber axle]

I want more enemy types but we just got tox bomber so now I'm wondering what's next

[marble mantle]

Not really a specific gun tbh, I’ll use IAGS, HHAGs, Recons, sidearms, etc.

Really just not plasma or bolter since bolter is pretty slow for WS

[tall torrent]

Idk if u need elite dmg & marksman at the same time

[marble mantle]

And plasma is boring

[astral ingot]

An admonition cult preacher as an assassation target sounds fun

[marble mantle]

Oh okay, I’ll probably lose elite then. I remember someone saying marksman was really really good

[faint beacon]

I think they should just make a sergeant Elite that will stick with patrols that actively buffs scabs around them

[tall torrent]

We should get to assassinate corrupt nobles in spireside

[marble mantle]

Unless you’d suggest otherwise

[faint beacon]

might be an issue with Tox Bombers though

[elder fiber]

can't wait for the melk raid in 3 years

[tall torrent]

It depends on if ur gun needs elite dmg for breakpoints

[somber axle]

A new enemy variant that buffs Scab faction would be really fun

[faint beacon]

Traitor Captains

should be bosses

I think a completely new Elite should be made to buff scabs

[somber axle]

They could do a fun witch cultist that buffs Dregs and creatures too

[marble mantle]

I’m mostly using automatics, so I don’t know how common breakpoints are with those

[tall torrent]

Ok then it doesn’t matter much

[marble mantle]

Bet

[somber axle]

Tox Bomber buff + Scab Sergeant buff would be fun to fight

[faint beacon]

Hot take, they should have a Bolt Pistol

lmao

Target priority like the TC but rather easy to take down

Armor wise?

Fuck If I know probably cara chest and flak arms/legs/head

[somber axle]

Full Cara

Like Crushers

[faint beacon]

Ehh......

[somber axle]

Make people care more about Carapace

[faint beacon]

I think there should be a way to shut them down quickly cause I mean Tox Bombers are full unarmored for a reason

Thats why I think Cara chest is fine

Flak everything else so they have damage reduction

[somber axle]

Oh wait yeah and then give them that halved damage vs limbs thing

[faint beacon]

Cara chest is to punish people for not aiming

[somber axle]

So flak + limbs makes people be able to whittle them down by gnawing on their ankles

The damage will be piddly but it will be something

Though most people in quickplay are using loadouts with at least one answer to Carapace so

Probably wouldn't be a big deal either way

We can already kill a Crusher in 1 push attack (and 0-2 light swing) on Power Sword, or kill Crushers in under 1 second with Knife, or break them with a few swings of other weapons

[umbral scaffold]

I don't like limb damage

[somber axle]

Traitor Sergeant would definitely have less HP than a Crusher and go down easier even despite Carapace

[umbral scaffold]

I vividly remember shitting on early revolver because I randomly couldn't bodyshot a shooter due to the arm modifier

[faint beacon]

Actually thinking about it

it would be funnier if it was Cara Helm/Chest

rest is flak

[umbral scaffold]

I think the armor system could stand to be a bit more interesting

[umbral parrot]

What if they can block melee attacks?

[umbral scaffold]

As of currently, it's just different health types

Except carapace

[somber axle]

Ooo what if Vox Pack Scab enemy that runs to cover and does a radio noise to summon in Scab faction elites? Calls Scab Gunners, Flak Ragers, Maulers

[umbral parrot]

I find it funny that Bulwarks and our characters are the only people that can block attacks

[umbral scaffold]

Insurgency, for example, had HP ammo for guns and allowed me to use low caliber weapons to shoot the arms and legs of a player

[elder fiber]

what if the traitor captain was a smite psyker with 3 wound curios who just holds it the entire match and keeps hordes spread out

[umbral scaffold]

Killing Floor 2's gunslinger has a perk that increases limb damage

Unfortunately, both games also trivialized that choice by having AP ammo in Insurgency and headshots being still better in KF2

KF2, however, did have the rioter, which was universally hated

It was a heavy armor enemy with exposed legs that had the armor be so annoying, people just shot the legs instead

[somber axle]

More enemies blocking would be a fun mechanic if we could more easily stagger break enemies out of block with high stagger weapons

[umbral scaffold]

I want Holy Knight Hodrick to show up in the crowd

He'll enter a block in the middle of my swing, parry me and eat 3/4 of my health with a riposte

As God intended

[torpid grotto]

Enemies where you have to target limbs would be pretty cool

Dead space

Sleeveless crusher

[noble canyon]

The real problem with that perk was that it competes against Rack'em Up, which gives you +10% damage for every consecutive headshot, up to 50%. Said bonus is on a 2 second timer, then stacks fall off one by one unless you keep headshotting. Higher skillcap damage bonus on a timer vs flat increase would be a fine tradeoff if KF didn't have Head HP separate and lower than body/limb HP meaning you always kill faster by headshotting Zeds.

[dreamy spade]

Bruiser:

[torpid grotto]

Actually target limbs

[dreamy spade]

Everyone try killing a bruiser on the head with a claw sword

[radiant chasm]

nah, I like it as it is, keeps the game clean and concise, I hated b4b for putting weakspots wherever

you have exceptions based on head being a different armor than the chest, and the BoN, which imo is plenty enough to keep it fresh

[marble mantle]

Do the commodores vestures update every week?

Or is it every other week

[torpid grotto]

Isnt that really easy

[tall torrent]

Every other week
Next Thursday we’ll get a rotation

[tall torrent]

DC swords have atrocious cleave dmg distribution on flak armor

[torpid grotto]

Never noticed. I just swing and enemy die

[tall torrent]

It takes quite a while to kill a Dreg bruiser horde

[torpid grotto]

I guess its relative

[tall torrent]

It’s worse than like every other melee vs flak armor lol

[torpid grotto]

Yeah

[hearty panther]

youre better off doing cleave heavies to their body than head

strikedown heavy exempted

[dreamy spade]

claw swords have a penetration of -2

[torpid grotto]

So the parry special isnt and instant cancel right

Like it doesnt instantly cancel your attack

I ate some pogryn slams trying to weave in attacks to parries earlier

[marble mantle]

Ahhh ok

[hearty panther]

dclaw cleave heavy against bruiser

the difference between body and head beyond the first hit is pretty funny

never underestimate the buckethead

[torpid grotto]

Interdasting

Wait isnt the last column supposed to be crit weakspot

[hearty panther]

yes

a body crit is more potent than a headshot crit

[torpid grotto]

Thts crazy

[hearty panther]

this is with zero bonuses on a 380 tho

[torpid grotto]

That the non crit headshot does more than body

[odd sparrow]

carapace be hard

[snow cypress]

guys.which keystone would you recommend for mk6 zarona stealth build?

[torpid grotto]

None for vet

Maybe weapon specialist reload

[snow cypress]

yeah

because of Zarona

[torpid grotto]

Its fine without it tbh. And you get more points to spend on stam cooldown

[snow cypress]

I like non of them personaly,I'm using right now focus

[tall torrent]

What’s mk6

[snow cypress]

knife

[tall torrent]

If u play Zarona just take WS

[snow cypress]

Sorry i didn't say it XD

[tall torrent]

Keystoneless vet is not as good

[snow cypress]

What's you opinion about low profile?

[tall torrent]

It’s the best infiltrate subnode

[snow cypress]

and overwatch

[hearty panther]

it lets u pull their pants down and they dont even react

[snow cypress]

the rest don't really worth it

[tall torrent]

Depends, usually not as valuable as other talents

[snow cypress]

really?

[tall torrent]

I think low profile > hunter’s resolve > overwatch personally

[snow cypress]

Having two charges sometimes saves my ass

Maybe depends on your playstyle

[tall torrent]

Yea it exists basically just for that lol

[snow cypress]

yeah

That's why i love it

[tall torrent]

But infil inherently has worse talent path than VoC

[snow cypress]

Overwatch sometimes saves other partners ass because i can save them

[tall torrent]

So it depends on what you’re willing to sacrifice

[snow cypress]

fr

VoC nodes are so sweet

[marble mantle]

What range weapons do y’all think the Officio Assassinorum would use

[snow cypress]

what's the cooldown of mk6 knife push attack?

[tall torrent]

Exitus rifle & pistol for Vindicare assassins

[tall torrent]

Wdym cooldown

[snow cypress]

sometimes after a push attack i can't do it again

even tho i have stammina

[tall torrent]

U need to time it rhythmically

But it’s very fast

[marble mantle]

We ain’t got neither of those huh? Wish we had the Longlas already at least

[snow cypress]

hmmmm ok ok

It's weird

[tall torrent]

And we won’t be getting them

Longlas is prob coming eventually tho

[marble mantle]

That’d be nice

[lyric dock]

Just take one from one of the many snipers that got rocked by a Ogryn

I swear those Ogryns can just snipe a sniper with one of thos rocks

[marble mantle]

Seems strange that none of the HHAGs have torches

All bashes

I like bringing a torch weapon for power outages

[lusty sapphire]

Weapon customisation mod is your friend

[marble mantle]

Xbox 😔

[lusty sapphire]

Oof

[marble mantle]

Lof

[tame lodge]

Pretty strong bash for some reason

[lusty sapphire]

Does it stagger a rager?

If not it's useless

[marble mantle]

What does the HL in your name stand for?

[lusty sapphire]

Nothing

[marble mantle]

Oh

[lusty sapphire]

Funny

[marble mantle]

Fair

[tame lodge]

Idk, I'm not facing a rager without a melee weapon

[lusty sapphire]

An artefact of the naked bug

When I made my vet look like an actual prison gang member

[marble mantle]

Fair

I stole the prisoner thing

Because that fucks

Vibes

[lusty sapphire]

Fs bring back naked cosmetic

[marble mantle]

That would rock tbh

Would make sense too

Why give us body tats if we CANT SEE THEM

[lusty sapphire]

For real

[pseudo fiber]

Ask GW not fatshark

[marble mantle]

This what I’ve been rocking with

Gotta wear the fingers trinket to remind witches what happens if they go AWOL

[faint beacon]

Got Auric Vanguard before heading to work

Was one of those missions where the director threw everything at once at you and Had to clutch one time

Very poetic for my earning of it

[stone tapir]

can i get the cliffnotes version of the Itemization dev blog? i dont feel like reading a novel today

[thorn lark]

You can watch jtclive video about it

[tall torrent]

He didn’t understand it well

This is my understanding of the system (I could be wrong abt expertise)

[fiery wave]

Go watch telopots instead

[thorn lark]

I don't remember telopots doing a video about the itemization

[fiery wave]

Yeah but at least he wants to play darktide

[thorn lark]

He has a love hate relationship

[tall torrent]

not sure if expertise is per weapon item / variant / family tho

[thorn lark]

I think it's per item

The last 3 bullet points of your text are what's concerning me

[tall torrent]

wot

[thorn lark]

You can change perks and blessings but at the cost of expertise

[tall torrent]

it doesn't cost expertise

it just needs expertise to be high

[north spoke]

How do you suppress with infiltrate?

[tall torrent]

stealth, run into a big horde, break stealth

[north spoke]

Can it be done with Melee or does it have to be ranged?

[tall torrent]

u suppress the moment u break stealth

[thorn lark]

Yeah but you are still limited

[lyric dock]

Either or

[north spoke]

Ahhh gotcha

[gilded rock]

If it's real that's like definitely a child-sized hand

[tall torrent]

pretty sure at max expertise u have enough modification capacity to change whatever u want

[thorn lark]

Hmmm

We shall see

[tall torrent]

because the weapon cards they showed are like

30~40 for blessings

and <10 for perks

so at 500 expertise u'd be able to do full tier 4s

[pseudo fiber]

(I'm gonna call them points because I don't know what else to call them)
From the image we know a tier 2 perk is 3 points a tier 3 is 6 points so logically a tier 1 perk might be 1... or 0. And tier 4 either 9 or 10 points.
And we have a tier 1 blessing which is 15 and a tier 3 which is 38 points. So logically a tier 4 could be 50 points? Which doesn't add up. So two tier 4 blessings would be 100 points. Or lets say 90 minimum. Then we can't have 2 tier 4 perks too. This is legit teh only part of the crafting update I do not understand at all.

[marble mantle]

Well
Those Psyker children shouldn’t have gone AWOL

And what fuckin kid is that wrinkly

[marble mantle]

Pretty wild to think that diamantine will have actual value

[radiant chasm]

Different blessings will have different values it looks like+ exact numbers haven’t dropped and are subject to change

[radiant chasm]

Why wouldn’t it, if there is now a dump spender for it

[pseudo fiber]

I figured as much.
I'm not a pessimist by any means I'm more just thinking let's not do something silly fatshark.

[radiant chasm]

hopefully more playtesters from the community helps

[viscid sparrow]

completely bricked, or still salvageable?

[marble mantle]

Salvageable

I think perks to flakiac

Otherwise, both blessings are good. I prefer Skullcrusher over lightning reflexes, but could be worse.

HV I’d say is mandatory anyway

[radiant chasm]

just change the perks

both blessigns good

[marble mantle]

Oh yeah probably should’ve pinged them huh

[viscid sparrow]

nah its fine, I read your message anyways

[marble mantle]

Oh okay, cool.

[heavy rover]

I actually use High Voltage and Lightning Reflexes. it's come really handy when fighting against hoards of ragers on auric

I'd say you can switch perks to maniac / flak / carapace

[marble mantle]

Honestly ragers are my biggest weakness

Especially when they spawn like 20 of them

[heavy rover]

yeah, exactly\

[lusty sapphire]

I assume it benefits from block efficency

[heavy rover]

I've come to love Lightning Reflexes because of that

good point, yeah you can throw in block efficiency on the perks as well

[marble mantle]

I feel bad abt doing it but sometimes I just infil so I don’t have to be their primary target. I’ll still work on em but I don’t wanna be the main objective

I’m Swiss cheese to them

[lusty sapphire]

Block is a legit strategy for parry on catachan so I'm assuming this goes hand in hand with that

[marble mantle]

What, catachan knife?

That’s 6, yeah?

[lusty sapphire]

Swords

[marble mantle]

Oh.

[lusty sapphire]

Devilclaws

[marble mantle]

Ohhhh the parry

Yeah

Them swords were made for rager duels lol

[lusty sapphire]

For everything duel

[marble mantle]

Yeah

[lusty sapphire]

You can parry a crusher

And parry a boss stomp

[faint beacon]

He could swap either perks for Flak imo

Blessings though

Keep High Voltage

[marble mantle]

Wish knife had a better special

[faint beacon]

Change the other to Skullcrusher

[viscid sparrow]

too late

[lilac kayak]

VoC is the better choice imo since most pubs aren't using infiltrate as aggressively as they should for enemies n objectives

[lusty sapphire]

punch

[marble mantle]

Honestly I’m a better use to my team with infil. I can solo objectives, pick up teammates in pretty much any circumstance, etc etc

[marble mantle]

Maybe if it stopped a mutant dead in its tracks

But nah

[lusty sapphire]

Tacaxe

[marble mantle]

Might as well be fist-fuckin a frozen lasagna

It just doesn’t do shit

[faint beacon]

Okay so idk if you know about this but

The SIM shovel

The one with the poke special

If you aim at a mutants head while they’re charging they will be staggered

It’s really damn funny

[lusty sapphire]

Most poke weapons can stagger mutie if you hit head

[marble mantle]

Oh I fuck with the shovels and the taxes but I’m just like way into everything the knife gives me.

[lusty sapphire]

Duelling swords too

[marble mantle]

The movement is addicting

I tried using Rashad and was like “why am I so fuckin slow”

[lilac kayak]

Plasma

Too gud

[lusty sapphire]

Well uh it's plasma

Can it NOT do something?

[marble mantle]

Honestly I just wish there was like any purpose to the knife having a punch

[lusty sapphire]

"Cook me a meal" you'd say. Well ...

[marble mantle]

Can anyone tell me what it’s good for

[faint beacon]

It needs trench fighter

That’s why

[faint beacon]

Strike down option

[marble mantle]

Oh I have trench fighter, I’m not talking about attack speed

[faint beacon]

You can do with with the MK6 to kill crushers quickly

[marble mantle]

I’m talking about actual move speed

[marble mantle]

Oh okay I guess I didn’t think of that

So like, a combo initiator

[lilac kayak]

Chainsword is pretty strong

[lusty sapphire]

It's the same as bolter bash. The weapon excells too much to give it more utility

[faint beacon]

Basically Punch + Light + PA

[marble mantle]

I hear that

Just makes me a grumpy fella

[marble mantle]

I’ll try that

[lusty sapphire]

You use it as a quick reset that's all

[faint beacon]

Go into psyk

[marble mantle]

Yeah I’m goin rn

[faint beacon]

Get a knife with uncanny

And just

I kid you not

Not

[marble mantle]

I got uncanny and mercy with the bleed talent

[faint beacon]

That when you PA just keep spamming PA

Drops crushers in like seconds

[marble mantle]

Damn

You were not joking

[faint beacon]

Actually it clicked to me you’re running serrated so your first will proc bleed so your light strike down will do even more damage

Yeah that’s why I say MK6 with that combo of blessings and talents

Is a crusher killer

[marble mantle]

Fuckin wild

[lusty sapphire]

It's funny that a knife can do what a power sword can do too

[marble mantle]

And knife make me fast

[lusty sapphire]

But can you chop a horde in 2 swings?

I think not

[faint beacon]

Iirc Precog + Uncanny Is good on them if you don’t want to lock yourself to serrated blade

I think

[lusty sapphire]

Reciprocity too at that point

But tbf, the 10% melee dmg node above serrated is pretty good

[tall torrent]

Yea when it’s not optimized for breakpoints it’s like 50% worse than it should be

[lusty sapphire]

I was about to ask for some of them, but I'm too busy building the perfect Branx for ogg so it'll have to wait

[tall torrent]

It’s fairly simple

You need very specific high stats (dmg & stopping power)

Then you need quite a few +dmg talents to make it hit breakpoints

[lusty sapphire]

What perks do you want on it for what breakpoints

Uncharged shot on gunner for example?

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs
78%+ in damage & 77%+ in stopping power
60%+ in ammo
69%+ in thermal resist

+elite dmg perk
+flak dmg perk (maniac works but isn’t as good as flak overall)

Gets hot
Gloryhunter/Blaze away (gloryhunter is better imo)

[tall torrent]

Uncharged, 1 headshot both gunners & both flamers

That’s the main one

Without, it’s way worse than it should be

[lusty sapphire]

How high does the crit go with gets hot

[tall torrent]

Crit chance goes very high but crits are mainly a consistently buff

U get Crit 1 bodyshot kills vs gunners & flamers

And u can Crit 1HS both ragers

[lusty sapphire]

Not bad

[tall torrent]

Crit also gives u 2 tap mauler bodyshot if u have +flak on top of +elite

[lusty sapphire]

But I can do that with my dmr bolter build too

[faint beacon]

Honestly let’s say I’m ignoring the right side of the tree completely for some reason what blessings other than uncanny should you even shoot for on a mk6

[tall torrent]

As good as plasma is I rly don’t think it’s as broken as most people say it is just because it’s the actual worst “top performer” when it comes to build optimization

Zarona and Columnus can perform really well with suboptimal rolls

Plasma without 1 tap breakpoints which take a ton of investment to get is pretty much just a glorified shotgun

Also plasma has very specific +dmg talent requirements even on top of the roll related stuff

[lusty sapphire]

Tbf, the wallhacks is a pretty big value even if not optimised

But that's outside of auric

[tall torrent]

U have to build ur talent tree a certain way to get 1 taps

If u don’t take focus target + redirect fire, you basically need to go fireteam + both 5% ranged dmg nodes to get 1 taps

[umbral scaffold]

god dare vets have any semblance of a working build

[tall torrent]

Which is a level of investment that’s not found on any other gun

[marble mantle]

Huh

[lusty sapphire]

It's pretty hard not to have a decent build on vet with most of the nodes on the bottom half

[marble mantle]

I mean shit if you take voc and focus target you can make pretty much anything “work” it just won’t be optimized

Innately optimized* I should say

[umbral scaffold]

i meant more optimization wise

[tall torrent]

Also I’m a 5% crit chance perk on Columnus mk5 believer now

With 5% Crit chance perk and 5% Crit chance talent, you reach 31% practical Crit rate on it

[lusty sapphire]

Very decent

[tall torrent]

Basically 1 crit in every 3 shots

On a gun with high finesse

[lusty sapphire]

IAGs in general were always good crit guns

[tall torrent]

No it’s just Columnus in particular scales super high with crits

Agripinaa mk1 doesn’t scale that well with crits

Graia is ok but lower dps overall

[lusty sapphire]

Agripina's just too fast at killing with headshotd to care about scaling crits

[faint beacon]

As a Graia main the Columnus just makes me upset with its sheer existence

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa is the worst infantry autogun rn

[lusty sapphire]

I know, and it's sad

Cause I have a godrolled one

[thorn lark]

i have been a long time believer, glad you saw the light. I also put that perk on my recon 6d

[tall torrent]

If it didn’t stagger gunners on headshot it’d be better

[marble mantle]

What are all the vet ranged weapons with torches? I know CVIAG does, I just don’t wanna buy one of every weapon to check

[tall torrent]

I’m not sure if it’s worth on recon over flak/maniac

But on Columnus it’s prob the best perk?

[lusty sapphire]

As you should

[tall torrent]

Might even consider it over 25% flak honestly

[marble mantle]

Never mind I have the guide open

I’m a dumbass

[nocturne mulch]

Yeah, Columnus best with Graia a close second. Agripinaa worst but still usable.

[tall torrent]

Agripinaa rly just suffers from practical consistency
Highest recoil per shot on top of suppression & staggering gunners on headshots

[lusty sapphire]

But it has such good finesse dmg

[tall torrent]

Dps wise it’s almost identical to Graia with higher cleave

[lusty sapphire]

And the 1 tap on normal shooters

[marble mantle]

Which ILG should I get?

[nocturne mulch]

I personally don't have any issues with it like that. Mostly just the low bullet count compared to Columnus

[tall torrent]

It’s just that Graia basically shoots as straight as u can expect from a full auto so the practical accuracy is way higher

[lusty sapphire]

Mk12

[tall torrent]

Nah, mg12 is the worst

[marble mantle]

Bet

Oh

[thorn lark]

after testing it in the psykhanium i found that my ttk didn't suffer at all, and 5% crit is broader

[lusty sapphire]

For real???

[marble mantle]

🤯

[lusty sapphire]

What changed?

[marble mantle]

Is Ia the best?

[tall torrent]

My personal opinion is that mg4 is best (practically) but 1a hits better breakpoints if ur into that

[thorn lark]

and my recons 6d are always unyielding +something

[tall torrent]

Breakpoints (it got wrecked)

[marble mantle]

Oh nah I don’t really gaf about breakpoints usually unless the fire rate is like absurdly slow

[lusty sapphire]

Fuck man

[tall torrent]

It’s been bad since patch 13

Well, usable still

[lusty sapphire]

I haven't even played it in a while

[tall torrent]

Just nowhere as good as MG1a and mg4

[lusty sapphire]

But it was a nice efficient gun

[nocturne mulch]

MG12 has nice 1 shots

[marble mantle]

Ain’t no way I just bought 4 of them and they’re all 320

[tall torrent]

Needs very specific build to 1 tap

[nocturne mulch]

But the other ones can clear elites much faster

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t hit 1 taps on its own anymore

And mg12’s other big problem is that

[nocturne mulch]

Well yeah, but whats the point in ignoring talents?

[marble mantle]

Oh THANK THE EMPEROR that the last one was 300

[tall torrent]

If u hit a single bodyshot ur kill efficiency is way lower

[marble mantle]

😔

[nocturne mulch]

You can easily 1 bodyshot shooters

[tall torrent]

There’s a difference between putting a small amount of talents for ranged weapon breakpoints, and dedicating just about your whole tree to middle & left side

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure it doesn’t anymore

[lusty sapphire]

Just like me fr fr

But at least my bolter body taps most things in game

[tall torrent]

Boltgun bodyshot is also pretty hard to optimize for

[lusty sapphire]

But it's way funnier

[tall torrent]

It’s unfortunately a finesse weapon

[lusty sapphire]

And pretty effective

Cause it's still a bolter

[hollow warren]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c943701-7f41-4503-9e05-dd85d332ef13/scab-gunner

any changes you would recommend to this build? been rocking it for the last couple of days and it's so fun

[lusty sapphire]

That's very nice then

[tame lodge]

misses Power sword
Gun butt it is

[tall torrent]

Drop 8 stack modifier for FT
Not sure why u need volley adept for recon
5% Crit chance talent is pretty good for recon
Suppression immunity also helps a lot

I think u have way too many support-related talents for ur own good lol

[faint beacon]

God I love doing this to some poor special till they keel over dead

[hollow warren]

I mean, I love having field improvisation, makes oggies happy on Enhanced Blitz

took note of your recomendations, thx

[winter grove]

Only with opening salvo 4 iirc

As an Mg12 main

[tall torrent]

Also
Sunder is better than slaughterer on power swords if ur not going for BM

[winter grove]

And doesn't always oneshot them in body too

Only scab shooters

[tall torrent]

MG12 is just not enjoyable

[winter grove]

I like it

It's niche compared to other two but I enjoy it

I will disagree with people that say mg12 is effective tho

Lmao

[terse idol]

It's alright for a weapon that you don't need to take many supporting talents to be fair

As in uh, you don't gotta take many talents to get it up there

[tall torrent]

It takes a lot of supporting talents to be ok

It’s like Helbore
Except u have to take suppression immunity because it doesn’t work without it

And u also need marksman if you’re gonna play it without exe for extra 1 tap consistency outside of opening salvo procs

And u need MF to maintain 1 tap consistent beyond opening salvo & marksman

[winter grove]

That's wrong

Mg12 really needs a lot of specific talents

Like it's a gun that needs specialized build

That's specific to mg12

With that build sure it pretty decent

Otherwise it's just a downgrade to mg1a

[terse idol]

O

😭

[winter grove]

Yeah

I do wish they buff mg12 because I main that gun

But if you really want an ilas build

You'd go with mg1a or mg4

Either for clicking heads or shooting really really fast

[onyx anvil]

smoke grenade support veteran imo is the most fun way to play veteran

[lyric dock]

As long as you use the smokes in a smart way....

I had vet smokes did more harm than good

[onyx anvil]

its usefulness is on par with psyker shield

[lyric dock]

Debatable on that

[austere mica]

Oh hey a medium poxwalker horde

Oh hey I’m blind

Thanks vet for protecting me from all 2 scab stalkers

[lyric dock]

Oh hey the trapper is in the smoke and I have to the blind dodge of fat----and I picked the wrong direction and got trapped

[onyx anvil]

imo its better than psyker shield with grenade tinkerer, lasts for like a minute and makes any ranged character move toward you if there's no viable flank

[lyric dock]

Psyker shield at least don't hide disablers

[sharp cloak]

My veteran class is weak. Probably cus Im still using old crap when game was released and havent really improved gear. Whats everyones gear as Veteran?

Sword

weapon

Curios

Probably my curios. Im working on redoing curios.

[lyric dock]

First of all. Please for the holy emperor change your Curios

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah drop wound.

[shadow aurora]

Stam and sprint ef???

[sharp cloak]

Is it curios?

[shadow aurora]

Why

[austere mica]

Yeah that is

[sharp cloak]

Yes...

[lyric dock]

2 +Toughness and 1 +3 stamina

[austere mica]

Interesting

[sharp cloak]

Im the one dodging the bosses when playing online with you guys.

Usually chase me.

[lyric dock]

WIth the usual package of +Toughness and +Gunner resist

[terse idol]

I mean sprint eff is actually pretty good

[sharp cloak]

Im working on another curios redoing it.

[austere mica]

Stamina and sprint eff are some of the worst things you can put on a weapon

[terse idol]

Like honestly besides +3 wounds it's okay

[terse idol]

The curio

[sharp cloak]

Swinging with melee

and running and dodging

[terse idol]

Yes it is bad on melee

[shadow aurora]

Uh ok

[sharp cloak]

stamina is bad on melee?

[shadow aurora]

Whatever you say

[terse idol]

Yes???

On curios

Sprint eff is actually okay

It's terrible on weapons

[sharp cloak]

Oh.... yeah. Some weapons are specic

[terse idol]

Yes

[shadow aurora]

I was specifically talking about the weapons

[austere mica]

It’s competing with +25% damage against Flak, so yes

[sharp cloak]

yeah... I will go melee even on firearms

I mean stamina on firearms

[terse idol]

Because tyu need weapon specific perks

[sharp cloak]

the bash

stock bash

[terse idol]

Yes stamina on firearms is useless

[sharp cloak]

sucks on that rifle tho

cus its the torch

[tall torrent]

besides knife I don't think +stam is worth taking on weapons

[austere mica]

Also that gun is basically bricked

[sharp cloak]

No I dont regret going all stamina and speed

[lyric dock]

My Vet Never got lucky with a getting a 2nd Heavy laspistol from Hadron RNG

Well screw you too Hadron...

Thanks for the shovel, but still where's that luck when i needed for my Ogryn

[winter grove]

Wdym it's not bricked

[lyric dock]

More saying screw you because she decides to play nice for my Vet

When she's been bricking all my Ogryn weapons!

I'll take it because awesome I get another melee to rotate through my vet

[hollow warren]

some really funky warp shenanigans happening

is this ammo corrupted or something?

[hearty panther]

that used to be a dead end with boxes

[astral ingot]

it is blessed by the emperor himself

https://tenor.com/view/fries-rotating-fries-high-quality-fries-gif-24835699

[hollow warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721815815422476411/855069207674093588/image0-1.gif

mine's better

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-spin-gif-2682561540212899714

[astral ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-peepoleave-gif-20075315

[shadow aurora]

Mines worse

[hollow warren]

https://tenor.com/view/hotline-miami-rat-spin-gif-26488967

play freebird solo

[oblique totem]

Ah, glad to see we're all on the same page.

[marble mantle]

Idk dead shot maybe but there’s no reason to take it over something else

[upper dock]

Lets say I was building a Rashad MK 2. What is the dump stat and are shred and headtaker the good blessings?

[winter dock]

It'd be really cool if talents actually functioned for it, too. Deadshot does literally nothing which is dumb as fuck.

[tall torrent]

Idk why u’d want deadshot for plasma besides trolling/nitpicking tbh

[wooden brook]

What is the current vet meta?

any links?

current

[winter dock]

???? Its free massive amounts of crit on a weapon that fires so slowly and actively spends so little times actually charging that the stamina cost is basically irrelevant?

at least it would be

if it worked 😠

[tall torrent]

It’s a gun that gets 30~40% innate Crit chance in combat I’m not sure why you need deadshot on top of that

Besides, charged shots are actually worthless on plasma even if u Crit because it’s just better to shoot uncharged thrice

[winter dock]

Uncharged thrice costs 50% more ammo than charged once

also charge has better penetration

[tall torrent]

Untrue

Uncharged thrice is 3x3=9 ammo

Charged once is 9 ammo

[winter dock]

Did they change that?

I remember it being 6 for charged

[tall torrent]

Too bad

[radiant chasm]

Sorry discord mobile

[radiant chasm]

What lmao

The meta has been uncharged shots even with the uncharged cleave nerf

[winter dock]

I distinctly remember it being 6 o.O

That has to be a change they did at some point

wtf

why

who the fuck balanced these numbers, they need a baseball bat to the head

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[drifting oak]

advantage of charged shots is that you can start charging a shot before the enemy is in view, such as when you can hear a mutie coming or you just saw bulwarks but they decided to take a door instead of charging at you, or you need to dip

but if you can actually shoot, just shoot

[radiant chasm]

Why spend the extra ammo tbh

[tame lodge]

Headtaker Brutal Momentum

The dump stat is mobility

Unarmored

Yes Unarmored, something about bruisers breakpoint

[thorn lark]

Flak too

Also I can't understand the low mobility gang

[tame lodge]

Everything else on the Rashad is related to damage

Kinda bad to dump those

And then you have weapons that doesn't really care about the % of mobility

Atm I can think of the knife

[terse idol]

Because mobility is a dump stat to get as low as you can before you lose 1 dodge

Which is like

51%~

[tall torrent]

Flak is not necessary, carapace is more useful

[slate hawk]

Kobold spotted

[tiny summit]

The flak is for the helmeted bruisers to meet 1 shot bps for all trash

[radiant chasm]

Need flak for dreg bruisers and scab ragers

You can always hack away pretty easily with heavy spam vs crushers/maulers if needed

[terse idol]

Don't you attain more value for dredge brusiers with headtaker anyways

And you achieve a lower crusher BP, with carapace?

Issue with taking flak is you have worse BP's against crushers and maulers

[tiny summit]

People make the rashad to be the best horde clearer. With the godroll rashad with unarmored/flak you basically 1 shot all the horde with no stacks required

[terse idol]

I mean

Then you're giving up Crusher BP

And easier kills on Maulers

I'd argue!
You only need unarmoured for Scab brusiers and then focus on what's more important, maulers and crushers

Considering also the overheads are... overheads

[tall torrent]

u don't need flak for dreg bruiser 1hs breakpoint

[tall torrent]

it's not needed, melee talents & headtaker stacks can hit it without flak

[radiant chasm]

I mean so does unarmored vs scab bruiser no?, take enough melee boosts

Hence why zealot doesn’t take unarmored

[tall torrent]

scab bruiser 1hs on vet is way harder to reach without unarmored

u'd need like actually every single +dmg talent in the tree lol

plus a very high dmg roll

it's just better to go unarmored for simplicity sake since nothing besides carapace changes breakpoints much

[rigid pilot]

What's the carapace BP?

[radiant chasm]

What does it compare vs 10% elites?

[tall torrent]

crusher & mauler 3HS (2 if crit)

[terse idol]

I dunno

[radiant chasm]

Maniac is for zealot yes

Since we hit dreg rager bp

Oneshot bps most important imo

For BM

Multihit bps matter less

Rashad as smooth swings with no real locks with your animation

If you need to chop a crusher one more time that is not that important

Compared to making sure you hit BM

You dont heavy bruisers

Sprint effic?

Lol

Id take cara before that and elites

I run martyrdom so no issue there

I am my stacks

[drifting oak]

idiot shieldgyrn pulls DH
decide to leave him for dead because guess what I have an entire side of horde + elites + specials to solo
two guys trying to beat up the DH die to their own side of horde+elites+specials because they're autotaunted onto the DH and just die for free
"useless vet"

well excuse me for not pulling a DH

[somber axle]

fighting Daemonhosts regularly sounds fun but quickplay lobbies would probably see purposeful aggro as griefing LOL

whenever someone accidentally aggros it I'm always quick to help fight it because it's such a fun fight (but not tunnel visioning into it 100% and ignoring specials/elites)

really the only time I've ever seen someone kill Daemonhosts with any regularity in quickplay are Thammer Zealots

they love running in and bonking

outside of that I never really see pugs in quickplay aurics or maelstroms fighting DHs

they always just avoid

[faint beacon]

Okay dead serious on topic of DHs

[somber axle]

with people you've formed a squad with it sounds like fun but that's sorta like with the coordination of being in a party

[faint beacon]

I’ve had 3 matches in the past 4 days

Where DH gets agroed

And it goes for the guy half way across the map

[somber axle]

time to bring out the Kraks and go to town

[faint beacon]

Like what the fuck is happening with it’s priority

[somber axle]

oh nevermind

by the time you get over there he's probably already down LOL

[somber axle]

I know there was some Zealot who would fuck with target priority by waking up the Daemonhost and then quickly disconnecting from the lobby to force it to aggro onto another player

and they'd grief aurics for a while but eventually vanished

[faint beacon]

That

Explains everything

Had a Zealot startle it

Ogryn mag dumped into it