veteran-class

[radiant chasm]

Again

And again

And again

[rare turret]

This is a conversation that won't end

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-stare-licking-lips-smell-check-gif-21267159

[crude fiber]

Yall are a little too off topic for my tastes, no offense

[rare turret]

Long as uncanny remains the way it is, it'll be bis for knives

[crude fiber]

Zealot chat that is

[radiant chasm]

Zealot can technically skip uncanny

[rare turret]

Yeah but should they?

[radiant chasm]

You take riposte precog and your talents you will hit 95% crit chance

[rare turret]

Uncanny is pretty fuckin good xD

[radiant chasm]

Not really unless they are already experts on the weapon

Basically knife crit adms are fine and great

[rare turret]

Right so specifically for them zealots they don't NEED uncanny, but will take it

Far as vet n psyker goes? Idk it's pretty good anyway

[radiant chasm]

Yea cause uncanny is still a 25% damage buff even if your adm is 1.0 or higher

So uncanny+ 1 is the meta still

[crude fiber]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't uncanny not affect your unarmored and infested damage?

[carmine cradle]

gonna steal

(im not)

[radiant chasm]

you are right

[carmine cradle]

but damn i love a good floof noodle, they are SO cute

[radiant chasm]

but those don't matter tbh

[crude fiber]

It'd be a niche boost to hoard clear 🤷‍♂️

[wary galleon]

WHERE IS MY LMG FS

😍

[odd sparrow]

uncanny boosts rending. Rending increases your dmg modifier against all armor types including unarmored and infested.

[crude fiber]

Pretty sure there is no increase in damage when I tested in the psykanium awhile ago

[odd sparrow]

its propably not very signifcant.

If the damage modifier is already at 1.0 the damage increase from rending is only 1/4 or 25% effective.

hm appears you are correct, strange. God this game is so inconsistent

[proper island]

Should i focus on getting t4 of blessings or for now t3 would be fine?

[crude fiber]

I'm guessing it only effects things with "armor" or something asinine like that

[odd sparrow]

for most blessings the difference between t3 and t4 arent that major

[uncut pebble]

Only 20 more weapon specialist weakspot crit kills to go until I'm done with vet entirely.

[odd sparrow]

a few exceptions like power cycler exists

[odd sparrow]

yep except it also works on maniac which are barely armored to naked, nonsense

[uncut pebble]

Then I get to move on to maining ogryn for those godforsaken penances...

Psyker and zealout are both already done...

[proper island]

at least i only need 150 armored kills to fufill Armourbane

[uncut pebble]

If you play on higher difficulties you'll actually be running out of kraks for all the carapace you'll be seeing.

[frank ether]

wretched creature of evul

[uncut pebble]

I kid you not, I saw a train of maulers in my last mission and got 7 krak kills out of them.

[proper island]

is mk3 or mk6 better for a catachan knife?

[uncut pebble]

Pulled the pin on my krak grenade, walked into them, popped voc.

Mk6 is significantly better.

They share the same breakpoints but the mk6 can actually do crowd control without light spam.

[crude fiber]

Ogryn is gonna take awhile, people say use the fast shooting stubber for stagger, I had better luck with a terrifying presence ripper gun

[proper island]

okay and is Mercy killer good perk on this knife?

[uncut pebble]

There's a video floating around here somewhere where they killed a crusher in 3 push attacks with a mk6.

[last parcel]

yes, if you take the serrated blade talent

[uncut pebble]

Only if you take serrated blade.

Otherwise you're going to want uncanny strike and riposte/precognition, depending on your preference.

[wary galleon]

achlys is goat

on a different note

trying again the antax MK V combat axe
and holy shit it sucks

this lil shit does only like 10-15% dmg on a rager ON A FULL HEAVY SWING

wtf

[hearty panther]

read your damage tables

[wary galleon]

this one? idk what you mean specifically?

[crude fiber]

Combat axes have better maniac damage on their lights for whatever reason

[last parcel]

the 'view attack breakdowns' keybind is on the bottom right of your screen

[wary galleon]

the numbers tells me different. but in that game it had zero impact

[crude fiber]

Check maniac damage for the lights now

[last parcel]

the point was to compare this to the light attack

[thick kestrel]

yeah, it's a little counter intuative but the mk5's lights do WAY more damage than the heavies to maniacs

[wary galleon]

that makes no sense lmao

[last parcel]

get fatsharked

[wary galleon]

greedsharked

[thick kestrel]

the idea is your flipping the axe around to use the spike when heavy attacking

[crude fiber]

All the combat axes do I believe. Rashad does anyway

[thick kestrel]

so it's more of a can opening spikey bit compared to the wider blade which works better on maniacs

[wary galleon]

thats not what the animation shows though. 😅

[ornate garnet]

What mark of headhunter or hellbore should i use? Are there some that are better than the other, or way worse?

[wary galleon]

the mk 3 has really bad melee but the most dmg

the first is underated in melee but has least dmg

the mk2 is a middle ground with still good melee but not highest dmg

on a ranged build with a good mk3 you can like 1-2 shot everything

full stack of the standing still talent

[last parcel]

^ those are the helbores and mk1 and mk2 got swapped

[wary galleon]

praise fatshark

[crude fiber]

Mk1 helbor is probably the best all arounder. Mk3 is very slow but hits very hard, mk2 needs to be very well rolled to be good

[ornate garnet]

Could this work if hadron allows it? (i bought only one and got that, i might go for more)

[spice wadi]

damage/stopping power ideally higher iirc

cos they both affect damage on helbores

[crude fiber]

I dont think so, you want to damage to be as high as possible. 80 preferably. There's a breakpoint for dreg gunners that's hard to hit with mk2

[spice wadi]

it's been a while but I think the stats you want to be dumped (just not too far) are ammo and stability. Ammo doesn't matter too much if you're running shock trooper

and stability on a semi automatic precision gun is a meme

[crude fiber]

0 stability on a helbor is a the first step to a godroll

[spice wadi]

make sure to get an appointment with an optician when you try to use a helbore in lights out modifier

you will need glasses afterwards

wonder if zealots will get recons or something in the patch

[ornate garnet]

Well i think it's gonna me mk3, anyone has a skill tree for me? There's way too many talents on vet lmao (coming from psyker)

[spice wadi]

imo just go Marksman's focus (left tree) and pick up shock trooper on the way while also grabbing tactical awareness (middle tree) and iron will and you'll be fine

you can probably play exe stance or voice of command

exe stance will be less forgiving than voice of command

[crude fiber]

Vet thunder hammer

[spice wadi]

then you can optimise breakpoints n stuff when you get used to the basics

helbores want onslaught (or whatever the charge speed buff blessing is called) and surgical mostly

[last parcel]

weight of fire

[ornate garnet]

79% on all stats but ammo at 46% (87/493 bullet) is this too low?

[spice wadi]

yeah that

should be fine to start with

if you run shock trooper you'll get a lot of freebie shots

check what blessings you end up getting

iirc helbore has some real stinkers

[ornate garnet]

Weight of fire isn't even in the guide

[spice wadi]

what guide

we have a guide?

[last parcel]

because that version of the guide was written before it got renamed

[spice wadi]

what year is it

[last parcel]

yeah path wrote it and it's pinned

and he's working on v2 of it

[spice wadi]

'twas three and sixteen years ago when the ogryns were smug that they were the only guys with a guide

[ornate garnet]

Oh that's the old onslaught blessing?

[somber axle]

Ogryns figuring out their class and writing a guide first is the funniest reality though

[spice wadi]

ogryns were helped by them having roughly three guns and a large stick at launch

[ornate garnet]

Ok i'm going in with this, thanks for everything everyone

[crude fiber]

Now the have 4 guns and 3 sticks

[vast whale]

What's the best lasgun currently for precision shooting?

ONe of the Helbores?

[ornate garnet]

That's funny we just had pretty much that discussion

[spice wadi]

depends what you mean by precision

the mk3 helbore is probably the closest thing to an out and out sniper rifle

but the roundfish in their wisdom gave it ww2 soviet iron sights

[somber axle]

Helbores have so much innate suppression resistance they border on suppression immunity by default and don't need to grab Determined to accurately shoot at something shooting at you so like yeah

Some people dislike the sights though

[spice wadi]

hello

(the customisation mod exists if you're fine with modding tho)

[wary galleon]

i often prefere normal lasguns

but helbores are very good too if you arent swarmed all the time

[spice wadi]

the random colossal buff to bayonets made helbores quite nice with exe

[vast whale]

Yeah, jesus. I just tried the Helbore in Psyk.

Those sights suck ass.

[wary galleon]

yea praise weapon costumization

[spice wadi]

cos you can just skewer the random three bruisers who are beamed down from the starship enterprise every time you press execution stance

without losing the buff

[wary galleon]

you can put that lovely redot or a full on sniper scope on it if you want

[spice wadi]

hello josho

[old quail]

i take the awful helbore irons over any sight intended to be placed on an infantry lasgun

[spice wadi]

go back to sleep

[old quail]

that was a quick turnaround

[spice wadi]

do not cast ire upon my beloved spitfire style holo sight

[old quail]

it is SHIT

[spice wadi]

hoo hey i finally found out the reason that happens

[spice wadi]

it functioned very well the day you inflicted the team building exercise on me

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt call that unique tech

its just ... tech

[spice wadi]

why would u not call it unique tech

explain

[ornate garnet]

Other classes and weapon also use similar tech so it's far from unique

[hearty panther]

every single reload anim in the game can be canceled, the vast majority reload faster for it

but a decent chunk are faster in the realm of milliseconds so it isnt really worth bothering for something like an Infantry rifle or the Ogryn Stubbers

Plasma Gun, Bolter, and Grenade Gauntlet are the biggest winners

Bolter especially if you're on point you can maintain XStance through a reload with no reload speed nodes

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlausibleBlazingBorkShadyLulu-jOxS859Uxd7juqdR

[dreamy spade]

Imagine having to reload

[old quail]

tragedy struck

we were both victims

[gilded rock]

recon behavior spotted (and endorsed)

[spice wadi]

of you

[spice wadi]

yeah i was going to say

[dreamy spade]

Nah it's revolver weapon specialist

[spice wadi]

the uniqueness here is that it shaves about 90% of the reload animation off

and also does it for the next reload, not just the current one

[gilded rock]

Always Prepared having a reload speed upgrade under it is such a weird idea but at least it's not above it, saved me a point

[spice wadi]

agile engagement being on the vape grenade side makes me an angry boy

i do not like the vape grenades

[old quail]

u must become a ganja enjoyer

[gilded rock]

Yeah that and No One Left Behind's placement makes me so sad

I am NOT taking your doodoo abilities or nades brah

Put my talent points in the bag

[tiny summit]

Is that like sprinting through the reload stages?

[umbral scaffold]

How awful is it to forgo the purple keystone talents at the bottom in exchange for a bunch of regular talents? (tried linking a screen of what i meant but i cant)

[hollow ibex]

you'll generally want the keystones imo

[faint beacon]

Vets keystones are too good to pass up

[tall torrent]

wanna play

[faint beacon]

unless you're actively making a build thats not using them (literally only 1 build exists for that)

possibly later

[umbral scaffold]

dang. so you cant get away with going the infiltrator talent and get the ammo capacity talent at the same time

nvm i can just gotta take a diff purple keystone

[faint beacon]

You can, just you have to be rather taxing on the other talents you can take

[umbral scaffold]

yea for now i think im gonna pass on the last keystones i just really like some of the random base talents

[lyric dock]

The days where Key stoneless vet was the Norm

Mostly because it was way too expensive to build into them without losing other skills

And the time where Vet had no key stones

[marble mantle]

So close

[winged warren]

@dawn garnet

[tall torrent]

quite far

[marble mantle]

Considering I don’t really care abt having the perfect one, it’s close because I’m only 1 blessing off

I’ll just get better stats later

[warm swallow]

Hi guys this is my first message into vet

K bye now

[marble mantle]

Holy shit where is pants

[warm swallow]

Stan

Is the burst rifle good on vet?

Mine is level 4 and idk what to build into

[marble mantle]

Uhhh

Which one

[warm swallow]

The 2 round

[marble mantle]

Oh idk

[warm swallow]

I know it goes single 2 then 3

Are any of them good?

[marble mantle]

I like the 3

I need to get a single

[elder fiber]

the single shot, mk7 is p good

[warm swallow]

Is 2 good

I’ve so far heard single and 3 are good

[forest maple]

The headhunters? The single shot one is insane and a staple on my executioners build. 1-shot weakspot almost everything is glorious.

Even better if you are using the weapon customization mod and allow yourself the use of scopes

[warm swallow]

Good to know

What melees are good

[forest maple]

go with headhunter and deadly accurate and for the perks go flak + unarmored/crit chance/maniac your choice

[forest maple]

most melees are good and have a place in builds but the top dogs are the power sword, rashad combat axe, combat blades, chainsword

[hearty panther]

yes

[tame lodge]

As the last one alive I had to board the elevator
Rip soldiers

[faint beacon]

All bursts are above average-god tier on Vet, I would rank the Agri the lowest of them though, its still a very good rifle on vet if you can click heads

[warm swallow]

Which one is agri

[faint beacon]

2 round

Agri IX is 2
Vraks III is 3
Vraks VII is Semi

[warm swallow]

😔

[faint beacon]

I am a Vet main and I unironically main the Agri

you just get used to it

it fucking shreds Boss HP though

[warm swallow]

Its the one i was most interested in but my vet js rank 4 and was worried it would feel different between psyker and vet (also i would never run gunker)

[junior needle]

Last I checked the agri was more awkward to use than the v3 and also slightly less dps

Same modifiers

[faint beacon]

Agri is the worst of the Burst rifles

doesn't stop me from using it

Its still a good rifle however

[junior needle]

Yep, it's a 4fun pick

[faint beacon]

all the HHA's are just

Good

none of them are really like terrible

Finesse modifiers I believe is the reason as to why

they just hit really fucking hard if you can actually hit weakspots

[junior needle]

Beeg finesse damage, access to da and surgical/HH

[faint beacon]

Plus this wacky talent only makes it even better lmao

[junior needle]

Plus the bursts having grouped crits

So HH is extra synergistic

Pretty sure they have the good surgical too

[faint beacon]

Vraks VII with Surgical + DA is one of the best "DMR/Snipers" in the game iirc

its less used cause well

Zarona

[somber axle]

I would use it more if they would release a decent looking weapon skin for it

[faint beacon]

the Vraks?

or well ahem Vraks/Agri

I would buy it in a heartbeat the moment they make one just cause i love the burst rifles

[somber axle]

Any and all Headhunter Autoguns

Their base model is awkward to look at and the few skins they have don't change much

They are fun mechanically but ugly aesthetically

And so tricky to match an outfit with

[faint beacon]

I could see if there is a skin floating around with the weapon customization mod

nvm

darktide immediately crashed

bear with me

[warm swallow]

Oh shit be careful

What kind

Hopefully not polar

I hope the bear didn’t get them

[faint beacon]

@somber axle The only thing I could find is "Moebian Nightshade"

clearly for the Agri

[warm swallow]

Thank god the bear didn’t get you

[somber axle]

Unreleased I think?

[faint beacon]

most likely

[somber axle]

It's ok but I really wish they would change the stock

[somber axle]

The little wires on the Vraks III are painful to look at

[faint beacon]

Clunky sight but its

really stable

[forest maple]

I will always advocate for the weapon customization mod for looks AND sights

that is horrendous

[warm swallow]

Is it?

[forest maple]

the base sights? yea?

[faint beacon]

The skin does look pretty though just

the sight

the sight is painful

[warm swallow]

Ngl I’ve forgotten what hh looks like

[somber axle]

It needs a candle in front of the sights to fix it

[faint beacon]

Lit

[somber axle]

[faint beacon]

candle

[somber axle]

Yes

[faint beacon]

Pay 2 Lose HHA

[somber axle]

Pay to lose is my fav mechanic

[warm swallow]

Chicken skin from fn

[tulip shoal]

what the best refineents for the mg Ia lasgun?

[forest maple]

the only thing that made HH's bearable for me

[faint beacon]

Im very indifferent on Zoom scopes

I literally have to use irons

lmao

I just fuck with Barrel + Iron combos till its really comfortable

that or resort to Reflex sights

[forest maple]

iron sights are just terrible for quickly aiming at heads

[faint beacon]

Change the Iron Sights to lets see here

Graia Mk II or Columnus MkII

makes it way fucking more bearable to use Irons

[forest maple]

i like the immersion of scopes as well

[somber axle]

change it to the sights on the lasgun that only the bots use

[forest maple]

which one is that

[somber axle]

isn't she so pretty

[forest maple]

HUH?

what in the holy hell is that

[somber axle]

https://youtu.be/2MNYZK0Sw9s?t=77

it's from the gameplay trailer!

this is also a lasgun skin players by default cannot access LOL

it's only seen on bots

[forest maple]

thats not sights, thats an isthmus

[somber axle]

the funny part is seeing how different the game was planned to be

Vet was meant to have a grenade that explodes on impact

[old quail]

a lot of the sound stuff there is kinda placeholder-y or at the very least worse than what we got in game

[faint beacon]

I think its funny you can actually make that Trailer lasgun very easily

[old quail]

it's interesting to see the kickback model just not existing at this time (kickback still shares docket skins with rumbler) and it just being a rumbler with a shotgun shell

[faint beacon]

with the Weapon Customization mod

[old quail]

the coolest thing they left out from that trailer is the thunderhammer having its normal attacks have an electric effect to them

[severe gale]

i kinda miss the sparks when they hit the armor

also the chainsword would’ve sucked so bad if it stayed like that lmfao

[old quail]

the mauler also very distinctly looks like a shotgunner with a 2 handed chainaxe

[severe gale]

yeah

no helmet

i love the effect of thunderhammer’s having recoil

[somber axle]

yeah but the last time someone did they said it was awful to try to aim down sights with LOL

[faint beacon]

I tried it

yeah its

bad

but its funny!

[somber axle]

One day I hope they add the funny gun into the game for people to use

[junior needle]

The guns and graphics look so much snappier

Actually what happened

[somber axle]

I wish the little power sword twirl had made it in as an idle animation

you see it right at the end for the Vet on the far right calmly walking toward the plogryn

I also really like their reactions

Vet with the lasgun is just in shock at what they're looking at and trying to figure out whether to fight or flee

Ogryn never hesitated for a second and was the first to attack

Zealot was just waiting for the signal to charge

[marble mantle]

Wrong pic

[faint beacon]

God

Chainsword getting stuck in enemies on every hit

that would fucking blow in modern DT

[marble mantle]

What should I change on this?

[faint beacon]

Change bloodletter

Your perks are fine

[marble mantle]

Oh okay bloodletter to what

[gilded rock]

Bloodletter IV

[wary galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/banned-by-karos-smash-work-gif-14553775

what it feels like

[gilded rock]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071827303631437854/1172267185209614407/caption.gif?ex=655fb1e4&is=654d3ce4&hm=b1af8d43d825cf8560802f2afa5f8dd141efce2cfd0e28e914e8a4da8ec2bf42&

[last parcel]

bloodletter + thunderous

[elder fiber]

blunderous

[oblique totem]

It didn't work

[junior needle]

The bleed from bloodletter doesn't apply thunderous anymore

iirc

[forest maple]

Original chainaxe sends its regards

[umbral scaffold]

Anyway, I'm gonna check smoke's reaction to fire because Reddit is saying it's not a thing and I am under the impression it is

So, not for bombers (at least in the psykhanium), but

There's no but yet, I'm still trying to find a match to blow up a fire barrel

[marble mantle]

:/

[severe gale]

it’s not

[severe gale]

it doesn’t work for anything like that

[severe gale]

peak

[umbral parrot]

Opinion? This is going with Weapon Specialist.

Faster shooting and crit chance.

[shadow aurora]

Doesnt wep specialist mainly favor single fire weapons

[umbral parrot]

Only the first 10 shots.

But also, super rapid fire for all 5 seconds.

OH WAIT

I'm dumb. It is for the next shot only!

[shadow aurora]

Yeah lol

[last parcel]

the crit is next shot only, but the rapid fire does last the 5 seconds

[umbral parrot]

Dang, Strip down is so cool tho.

Yea, i feel silly. Infernus does not seem so cool now.

[shadow aurora]

Itll still work but if youre looking for max efficiency just take a different keystone

[umbral parrot]

I'll switch up the weapon. Weapon Specialist is my fav because it's a lot of melee fun.

[junior needle]

Recons still require more juice than others, and infernus drops significantly in value without consistent crit printing. Wouldn't recommend stripped on them.

[umbral parrot]

Fine fine, i'll go back to Plasma! Bleh

Been with that for months lol.

[uncut pebble]

You can still use that recon just fine on a marksman's focus build.

I would swap out stripped down, though.

[umbral parrot]

I was assuming I can use Stripped Down to close into melee, and use the crit chance to cook enemies alive.

[uncut pebble]

Weapon specialist is for revolvers/bolt pistols/shotguns, marksman's focus is for automatic weapons.

[shadow aurora]

Marksmans focus is for precision weapons

[umbral parrot]

I feel like a goof.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah that's a very niche blessing for a weapon. In the grand scheme of things, it's not very good.

[shadow aurora]

Noooo keep the build its based

[uncut pebble]

I am telling you that it isn't because it's hard to keep it going with only precision weapons. With automatics, you can spray at head level and keep 10 stacks with ease.

[umbral parrot]

I can make it work for sure. The rapid fire is bound to crit extra hard, as well as put in some shots.

[marsh helm]

i bet that couldnt even cut the tension in the room.

[uncut pebble]

Put headhunter on there and run it with shock trooper.

[somber axle]

Do you ever just have the perfect match

[uncut pebble]

You'll have some really good ammo economy and you'll get some extra value from infernus (if whatever you shoot doesn't immediately die).

[somber axle]

Maelstrom Vent Purge Snipers and it went so flawlessly LOL

And funny enough

I had a level 24 Zealot in the group

One of the people saw the 24 in the pre-game lobby and left

[shadow aurora]

Accurate automatics yeah. Take something inaccurate and wether you keep those stacks up is up to luck

[somber axle]

They missed out on a fantastic match

[uncut pebble]

Name something inaccurate that isn't the autopistol.

Last I checked, all infantry autoguns and recons are very accurate.

[shadow aurora]

Hnghh

Braced

[uncut pebble]

Who the hell is running brautoguns, though?

[umbral parrot]

Genestealers probably.

[shadow aurora]

Me

[uncut pebble]

Brautoguns are just a significantly worse option than either of your other two automatic rifle choices.

[somber axle]

I 100% agree on the Infernus bit but Stripped Down is very funny for a melee Vet bringing Recons just to sprint into and out of danger freely with Duck and Dive LOL

[shadow aurora]

Meta this meta that have you meta woman?

[uncut pebble]

No.

[umbral parrot]

I think i still will stick with a Recon Lasgun, but for sure, swap out Infernus.

Still going with Stripped Down. I've used it already, it works, especially with 3 3 3 Stamina.

[uncut pebble]

Triple 3 stam curios is funny with deadshot.

[umbral parrot]

Problem with Deadshot, it's all the way to the left side. And i don't like going left.

[uncut pebble]

Well, left is your best bet for making recons shred stuff.

[somber axle]

Left side is really fun for backline support shooter vibes

[junior needle]

If you aren't going shocktrooper just take an iag

[uncut pebble]

Unless you want to grab onslaught from the right.

[junior needle]

Without it recons are just worse on every metric

[somber axle]

Exe Stance Marksman's Focus Infantry Lasgun and just instakill every single special and elite that pops their head up

[uncut pebble]

I don't see the talent economy working for you, though.

[umbral parrot]

Hmm....

[junior needle]

Instead of just most metrics

[somber axle]

I've done a Recon left tree with onslaught and rending strikes build before

[shadow aurora]

Ex stance with brown las gun and all the left side stuff is really fun. I can one tap ragers to the head with no maniac damage

[somber axle]

you can still afford to get a keystone too

it's a very talent tax heavy build though and doesn't afford you any points leftover LOL

[last parcel]

is that the one where you skipped nade regen

[junior needle]

Iag's can take dumdum and stripped and be nearly full damage power

[uncut pebble]

I don't see you being able to grab all the nodes on the left you need, plus onslaught, plus rending strikes, and still getting grenade regen/agile engagement.

[junior needle]

Recons cannot

[uncut pebble]

Like, recons need the 30% weakspot bonus and superiority complex for damage, as well as shock trooper for ammo economy.

[umbral parrot]

Skipping nade regen!?

[uncut pebble]

If you don't take any of those 3 perks, you're shooting yourself in the foot.

[somber axle]

My last game I ran the Kantrael Mg1a Infantry Lasgun into a Maelstrom Vent Purge Snipers Extra Specials match with a talent tree that looks like this and it went so buttery smooth that it rekindled my love for the Infantry Lasguns:

[uncut pebble]

No grenade regen...

Madness...

[somber axle]

nah for actual matches I use it with grenade regen and target down too LOL

I just end up skipping precision strikes

[uncut pebble]

Wait why the hell are you running those two talents on the far right?

[somber axle]

for funsies LMFAO

it was sniper vent purge

[uncut pebble]

Drop them for grenade regen, silly.

[somber axle]

so I took squad highlight for the team

it ended up working very, very well

you'd be surprised how responsive teams become when you give them wall hacks

[uncut pebble]

Oh that's fine, I'm just wondering about the two right underneath infiltrate.

[shadow aurora]

I run smokes personally

Its funny being able to tell ranged enemies no

[somber axle]

I like drinking lots of juice in the morning before hunting heretics

[uncut pebble]

Seeing an ogryn do a 180 when he sees he's about to walk into 12 dreg ragers is hilarious.

[shadow aurora]

And ex stance outline makes up for reduced vision

[somber axle]

big number make gamer brain go brrrr

[somber axle]

it makes Zealots rethink charging into melee too when they see an entire firing line of gunners waiting for them to poke their heads out LOL

people play safer when they can see threats

plus it's always funny popping exe stance and watching 4 hungry rejects waiting for the trapper to walk out of the spawn door

[uncut pebble]

Nope, I am going to fotf directly into those gunners with a crusher and knock all of them on their asses.

[junior needle]

I will rethink nothing

[somber axle]

as long as you know how many there are and where they are you're good to good

no blindly swinging

the Emperor could've guided your swings but tonight a clown does

[junior needle]

I have gunner resist

[somber axle]

I can't rethink anything because rethinking implies thinking

[uncut pebble]

Just for that, I'm playing my next zealout match entirely blindfolded.

[somber axle]

lights out but irl

[uncut pebble]

The Emperor protects.

[somber axle]

and squad highlight helps you ping pong between problems faster!

[marble mantle]

Not to be ungrateful or anything but maybe the emperor could protect a little better

[uncut pebble]

See, my issue with squad highlight is that people will drop everything to deal with elites, and typically that causes me more issues than not.

[marble mantle]

Just a smidge

[somber axle]

Atoma looks pretty rough but we're still sorta holding onto it despite things seeming as though they're getting actively worse

[uncut pebble]

Like, I drop an elite in about .5 seconds as long as it isn't an ogryn or mauler, so I've got that handled fine.

[umbral parrot]

Alright guys. Check this out. Opinion!

Going to try this out in a moment.

[uncut pebble]

I just need the chaff to stop trying to stab me for that .5 seconds to pull it off.

[marble mantle]

You are ALMOST running exactly what I’m running, tree wise

[uncut pebble]

Figure out a way to get grenade regen and I'd say it's good.

[shadow aurora]

No 2x charge

[marble mantle]

They have demo team

[umbral parrot]

Ew, 2x charge is bad

[junior needle]

For what purpose do you need all that stamina

[umbral parrot]

Sooo bad

[uncut pebble]

Demo team is inconsistent as hell.

[umbral parrot]

For the Power Sword's Push stab.

[marble mantle]

It’s also significantly cheaper lol

[shadow aurora]

Your end is nigh

[somber axle]

ranged weak spot damage is bad on the plasma but otherwise it looks solid

[uncut pebble]

I'd much rather have the guaranteed grenade every 60s.

[junior needle]

[uncut pebble]

Also, yeah, 2x charge nodes are bad.

[marble mantle]

Sure me too, but I got 1 point, not 2

[junior needle]

It can get you some breakpoints

[umbral parrot]

Is it really!?

[shadow aurora]

Insane take

[uncut pebble]

Not an insane take.

[somber axle]

yeah Numbers Cat recommends against ever using it

[umbral parrot]

It's not that it's bad.... it's just that 33% on a 45 second cool down is too much.

[uncut pebble]

They're just bad.

[fiery wave]

No grenade regen

[umbral parrot]

I constantly use it as much as possible.

I do regen my nades~! ! ! ! I have Demolition team~!

[somber axle]

you probably want Elite or Flak? but you're not doing the redirect fire + focus target set up so elite probably isn't going to meet the breakpoints that Numbers Cat meets on his build

[uncut pebble]

Demo team is BAD.

[shadow aurora]

No dude trust me the 15 extra toughness is totally better than an extra chastise charge!!!1!1

[marble mantle]

Realistically speaking your uptime is pretty close to 80-90% when you’re running the cdr on specialist kill

[gilded cobalt]

my first 550 weapon, I love my long knife

[fiery wave]

Demo team is a dead point

[uncut pebble]

Take it off and find another point to put away for guaranteed grenades.

[somber axle]

Demo Team is ok if you use grenades sparingly tbh

I don't spam grenades and Demo Team is usually all I ever need

[umbral parrot]

I forgot to mention, i only play Auric. So there's a lot of Elites and Specials.

[uncut pebble]

Even then, you're banking on chance.

I would never put my money on that.

[shadow aurora]

And it will be with 2x charges as well

[fiery wave]

You are incorrect

[uncut pebble]

Especially since it's like... 5%?

[fiery wave]

5% is not consistent enough to be worth it

[somber axle]

5% chance when you or an ally kills an elite or special

[marble mantle]

Yeah it’s just unnecessary imo

[somber axle]

you can run into a LOT of elites and specials

[fiery wave]

On average that is 20 for one grenade

[somber axle]

and it doesn't even require you to kill them

[shadow aurora]

We can agree to disagree than

[fiery wave]

Or, less than 1 per min

[somber axle]

the grenades end up being pretty good at staying topped up in my experience

[uncut pebble]

Doesn't it also require you to be in coherency?

[umbral parrot]

Less than 1 per min yes, but also, games only last 30 mins. So by this logic, 10 more.... smoke grenades.

[somber axle]

yeah so the loner zealot halfway across the map playing single player isn't helping your demo team

but the ogryn and psyker fighting at your side are

it's a nice extra bonus of like

teamwork helping you get extra grenades

[uncut pebble]

I play knife zealout with benediction because I'm insane.

[fiery wave]

Doesn’t matter when your entire team is dead (pub auric experience)

[somber axle]

it depends on the day of the week and time of day tbh

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I'll take loner zealout, hold the loner.

[fiery wave]

EU right now Topkek

[somber axle]

it's the weekend so Aurics and Maelstroms feel better

[fiery wave]

Time to go play US East

[somber axle]

if you play on weekdays the average player feels like they're eating glue LOL

[umbral parrot]

Not to mention, i'm fairly compitent. I have 2k hours, no way am i going to be trash!

[fiery wave]

Running smokes

[uncut pebble]

Running a crit build (which you should be if you're using fotf) makes this a non-issue. Just don't needlessly spam your ability, goofy.

[hidden torrent]

They've just sniffed so much glue it closed up their nose and can only breathe through their mouth

[fiery wave]

Momentum is just so much better than piety tho

[somber axle]

mouth breathers who never brush their teeth are the worst

[uncut pebble]

Anyway, off to commit galactic genocide on xenos! (playing stellaris, humans, fear of the dark origin, fanatical purifiers)

[umbral parrot]

The right side is so good, extra crit chance, more melee damage, running speed.

Smoke grenades are.... decent. Wish they lasted longer.

[hidden torrent]

As an ass breather I can't relate

[fiery wave]

You can path through better grenades

[shadow aurora]

And if youre not?

[uncut pebble]

Then you shouldn't be running fotf, methinks.

[fiery wave]

Non crit builds actually optimal for damage

[shadow aurora]

Meet

A

Woman

[uncut pebble]

I run a martyr build with chorus.

I whack things with a crusher.

[hidden torrent]

I use loner Zealot with a crusher and zarona

[uncut pebble]

I genuinely don't think I pull my gun out at all.

[marble mantle]

Wish vet had some more blunt melees

[somber axle]

maybe you've never met a woman but you can say you've met a clown

[marble mantle]

Mostly blades

[hidden torrent]

I've met a woman but not a clown

[covert timber]

Harlequin

[shadow aurora]

A warhammer would be nice, given that this is warhammer

[uncut pebble]

Intrusive thought response to that would get me banned.

[somber axle]

secret clown society...

[last parcel]

all women are clowns

[marble mantle]

™️

[umbral parrot]

Gottem.

[hidden torrent]

True look at what you post in discord

[uncut pebble]

Just use a combat axe. They're pretty nice on weapon specialist builds.

[umbral parrot]

We're all getting banned now.

[shadow aurora]

The woman community wont forget about this one backup

[covert timber]

Not me

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-the-amazing-digital-circus-digital-circus-pomni-well-okay-gif-10305131393694869771

[uncut pebble]

Also, question for the madlads that use tac axes. Are they even worth it?

[marble mantle]

Oh yeah no question there.

[marble mantle]

I like mine

[covert timber]

I’m completely safe

[marble mantle]

Very fast on my build

[somber axle]

yeah I like Tac Axe Mk IV it's really fun to play

[umbral parrot]

Tactial Axes are fun! You fly everywhere with that dodge distance.

[marble mantle]

Not super efficient but it’s fast

[uncut pebble]

I was thinking of using one to have for a marksman's focus build.

[umbral parrot]

If you can constantly land headshots, it works.

[fiery wave]

No confirmed kill

[uncut pebble]

I like my chainsword, don't get me wrong, but I feel like I can't really use it well without trench fighter drill.

[fiery wave]

On a plasma

[umbral parrot]

Confirmed kill is so good! ! !

But i am going for the extra movement speed.

[hidden torrent]

I only charge shots when I use plasma

[uncut pebble]

Nah, exhilarating takedown is better.

[somber axle]

I have a dumb Tac Axe Mk IV with 80% or 79% in all stats except mobility and Brutal Momentum Headtaker Unarmoured Flak. I use a build to juice it into making some use of Brutal Momentum briefly for light speed horde mulching memes when I pop buffs

[uncut pebble]

It feels so good to just mow stuff down and be a giant toughness battery.

[umbral parrot]

Confirm kill works better if you're being shot at really. With Out For Blood, you're getting so much in melee as it is.

[somber axle]

it feels really fun to use with Weapon Specialist and Trench Fighter Drill boosting attack speed even more

[uncut pebble]

Madness...

[hidden torrent]

I can't read things longer than 1 sentence, I just close my eyes

[marble mantle]

Weapon specialist my beloved

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/chad-gif-25592079

[umbral parrot]

Which is why Confirmed Kill is so good if you get caught out by Gunners. That, mixed in with my Plasma gun, you can really get some extra toughness.

But.... I like melee over shooting, so no.

[uncut pebble]

Well, considering most people only use run-ons or sentence fragments, I think your brain can handle it.

[hidden torrent]

Fake

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, but then you're using plasma.

And that's icky.

[umbral parrot]

What's icky about it?

1 shot everything in the head.

[marble mantle]

Just kinda boring tbh

Imo

[hidden torrent]

Meta is icky

[umbral parrot]

Yea, which is why i wanted to bring the Recon Lasgun!

[hidden torrent]

We only use the worst guns in the game

[umbral parrot]

But i like winning more than having fun..... lol

[marble mantle]

Idgaf about meta it’s just kind of a boring weapon to me

[hidden torrent]

1% damage recons

[marble mantle]

🤢

[umbral parrot]

To be fair, if i wanted to win, i'd play Ogryn

[hidden torrent]

I've gotten to the point where I can generally win regardless of what I use within reason

So I don't feel the need to sit on the meta pp

[marble mantle]

I’ve gotten to that point where I die but still use what I want

[hidden torrent]

Just dodge

You'll live

[marble mantle]

Oh shit thanks I didn’t know I could do that

[shadow aurora]

Most darktide players can't fathom "fun"

[hidden torrent]

That's why half the players on auric Maelstrom use smite

And still die within 2 minutes

[umbral parrot]

LOL

[fiery wave]

Can’t wait until smite nerf

[umbral parrot]

Smite is not THAT bad is it? I don't player Psyker, but i like Smite because you can push enemies to the ground.

[marble mantle]

Probably never

[hidden torrent]

Smite makes the game very boring

[fiery wave]

Hehehe soon

[fiery wave]

Someone else gets it

[shadow aurora]

That and psword zarona vet tree and plasma nerf

[marble mantle]

Yeah

[shadow aurora]

It will be glorious

[hidden torrent]

When I see a smiker I usually leave the game

[umbral parrot]

If they nerf Powersword, i'm going back to Chainswords.

[marble mantle]

Smite is way too constant to be enjoyable

[somber axle]

The problem is that Smite is surprisingly good for controlling fights but it's so unengaging to use

[faint beacon]

Does QP Auric

[umbral parrot]

Oh, i see.

[faint beacon]

Immediately loaded into a "You have failed the Emperor"

the state of QP my friends

lmao

[fiery wave]

I auto leave on plasma or smyker

[marble mantle]

Gotten that twice today lol

[hidden torrent]

Smite makes me wish i was smitten

[faint beacon]

I started leaving on vet stacks at this point

[somber axle]

it's not really going to kill anything but hordes if you use creeping flames and empowered psionics but it will set up elites/specials to be easily killed by your squad if they have decent reaction time and awareness

[faint beacon]

its bad to do it but like... I really dont want to deal with that

[hidden torrent]

Tbh not to be too toxic but uh, smite tells me all I need to know about a player

Ngl

[marble mantle]

Smote. Smitten is not, uh, that.

[hidden torrent]

Who gives a fuck

[marble mantle]

Me

[somber axle]

Sometimes you just want to feel like

[marble mantle]

That’s why I said it

[hidden torrent]

That's crazy

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

but like

it's not actually killing anything other than hordes LOL

[marble mantle]

Yeah

[somber axle]

it's still fun for like 1 or 2 matches and then it gets boring because all you're doing is standing still and holding down a button

[hidden torrent]

Prenerfed empowered psyonics smite felt like this

[somber axle]

even if the damage was better it'd still be a very boring playstyle

[hidden torrent]

Unlimited smite time tio

[somber axle]

the visual is fun but the gameplay becomes old quick

[hidden torrent]

Lmao

[faint beacon]

the visuals make me want to burn my fucking eyes out lmao

why I have a mod that turns it off

[somber axle]

empowered smite venting shriek creeping flames and just go on autopilot

head empty no thoughts mode engaged

[hidden torrent]

Dome shield is also for people with bad situational awareness

Hot take

[somber axle]

Dome Shield is very useful for saving someone caught out of position

[shadow aurora]

Smite is alot more fun when you start using it as a melee tool. Swap to smite shock swap back to melee beat them while there heart is failing

[somber axle]

sometimes people advance into a spot they really shouldn't have and can't pull out

[faint beacon]

Strongly disagree unless they're selfish

[hidden torrent]

We don't save those fellas

[somber axle]

shield helps them stay up despite bad positioning

[shadow aurora]

Tbh dome needs to have its cooldown increased a little

[marble mantle]

Hot take, abilities are bad and no one should use them. Blitzes too. No one should use anything. In fact? Just don’t play the game. Everything’s bad.

[hidden torrent]

True

[umbral parrot]

You know what?

[shadow aurora]

Unironically true this game is ass

[hearty panther]

Dome just needs to not do stupid shit like turning off ranged attacks from enemies inside of it.

[umbral parrot]

I'd love to do a no talenet grey item Auric run.

[somber axle]

I save everyone I can. To ignore the plight of those one might conceivably save is not wisdom, it is indolence

[hidden torrent]

If you enable people they'll never learn

[last parcel]

i should eat the game

[umbral parrot]

I feel like i can actually pull it off with a team that sticks close.

[marble mantle]

🤤

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/hamster-tussiniiduk32-gif-27701794

[somber axle]

Nice try but Kreia in KOTOR2 tried to teach me that lesson by showing me a vision of a homeless man getting mugged and beat the fuck up 2 seconds after I gave him loose change and I didn't learn anything from her either

[umbral parrot]

Careful now, don't want a tummy ache. If Fatshark can't release a full game at launch, then you're asking to eat a half cooked meal.

[faint beacon]

why I actively refuse reviving Zealots who run ahead lmao

[hidden torrent]

If homeless men don't have money they can't get mugged

[shadow aurora]

If you arent alive you cant be killed

[somber axle]

my fav part about the entire moment is that it literally happened within walking distance of the squad
the guy turned a corner and immediately walked into a gang who broke his bones for the equivalent of enough money to buy a McChicken

we could have helped but she wanted me to watch

[hidden torrent]

Don't be homeless and buy a gun next time

Simple as

[somber axle]

the mistake was giving him just money

should have given him a blaster too

then he can start his OWN gang

get off the streets and become a level 100 mobster

[hidden torrent]

Bullets are expensive tbf

[marble mantle]

Buy a house honestly tbh

[hearty panther]

"Give me all your houses!" -cocks gun-

[hidden torrent]

If you don't it'd NVL

[shadow aurora]

And that wouldn't have happened if those people didnt have a house

Its honestly so simple

[somber axle]

"Give me all your guns!" -cocks gun-

the solution is that the homeless man is already living the perfect life and we need to make everyone homeless

[hidden torrent]

Don't worry we're almost there

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-animation-monkeymeme-gif-20175736

[somber axle]

I'm not sure anyone on Atoma still has a house to live in anymore except maybe the poxwalkers

[hidden torrent]

A house could be anything

It's just a place of residence

[somber axle]

I want to turn off my brain

rate my Smiteker tree

anything I should change?

[hidden torrent]

Press E on everything

Then don't play smite

0/5 owner called me fat

[shadow aurora]

Honestly nah

Whats your weapons and there builds?

[fiery wave]

5 wound players

Not worth putting myself in a bad position

[marble mantle]

Man I got so used to the movement of the knife, it’s weird to be like normal speed again

[somber axle]

Probably just going to run it with Surge Staff and Macabian Dueling Sword Mk IV

[shadow aurora]

Lightning maxing

Id just recommend you turn down your screen brightness than

So you dont fry your eyeballs

[somber axle]

Wdym

I use discord light mode

[spice wadi]

god ur a fkn lunatic

go to prison

[fiery wave]

https://tenor.com/view/acc-americanchopper-meme-gif-22388574

[spice wadi]

leave society immediately

[hearty panther]

wikipedia has a dark mode now

only almost two decades overdue

[spice wadi]

that also feels wrong

i dont want to read Goth Wikipedia

[hearty panther]

well im sorry but the best time to have fifteen tabs open tangentially related to the subject of ancient egypt influence in the subsaharan region is at 3am

and my eyeballs dont wanna be radiated

[shadow aurora]

I use light mode mainly too tbh

In most things that is

Light mode on discord is heresy of the highest order and is punishable by death

[somber axle]

No prison can hold a clown

[spice wadi]

have u tried going to sleep instead

i type this with vast hypocrisy

[somber axle]

If you keep everything consistently light mode then it's fine

[shadow aurora]

Was that

[somber axle]

Just don't play in a dark room and ruin your eyeballs

[covert timber]

What about a circus that is amazing and digital

[somber axle]

That's a circus though

[shadow aurora]

A circus is meant to contain clowns

[fiery wave]

I don’t like high power bills

[hearty panther]

the fuck is sleep

i get 30% off at starbucks and im gonna fucken use it

[somber axle]

Turn on the lights at night and turn them off when you sleep

[fiery wave]

No dockets when I sleep

[hearty panther]

also i have been here waiting for my pizza in the oven and i didnt even turn the oven on aaaaaaaaaaaa

[shadow aurora]

Woe, diabetes upon yee

[hearty panther]

nah i just drink coffee black

[old quail]

fantastic

[fiery wave]

Good

[hearty panther]

occasionally i get a chocolate cream cold brew

[shadow aurora]

why go to shartbucks then

[covert timber]

It’s a secret prison

[marble mantle]

Or perhaps shock maul with high voltage

[hearty panther]

some reserve stores have excellent beans

and believe it or not

[marble mantle]

Shock maxxing

[hearty panther]

starbucks dark roast selection

actually pretty good

[covert timber]

Nah drink water

[hearty panther]

(if you like dark roasts)

water? you mean my caffeine extraction fluid?

[ancient path]

been away for a while. hows the sawed off with vets?

[covert timber]

It’s better to drink water then to die

[hearty panther]

its better to die

[shadow aurora]

I use to take some shitty powdered medicine with my coffee and now i cant disassociate coffee with that shitty medicine taste

[covert timber]

Random dreadnought on krak missle

[hearty panther]

just in general

[marble mantle]

Solid. Not incredible, but good.

[hearty panther]

i welcome the sweet cold embrace of eternity

[shadow aurora]

Nuh uh

Im going to live forever

[ancient path]

coo coo. what ability you guys use it with? im thinking infiltrate

or voc

[marble mantle]

I use infil mostly but voc is also a good choice

[covert timber]

It’s a stick with two pebbles

It’s not that good

[hidden torrent]

The most frustrating feeling in the world is having to cut a poop short and still having to poop

[ancient path]

hell yeah

hows the shock maul?

[hidden torrent]

Good imo

[shadow aurora]

Really good

[hearty panther]

shmaul does it all

[shadow aurora]

Its an amazing all rounder

[hearty panther]

just nothing exceptionally

[marble mantle]

I really like the indig 3

[shadow aurora]

Also has built in anti bulwark

Btw who here thinks bulwarks should be removed from the game

They are the only enemy i dislike

[tulip shoal]

are the Infantry lasguns still viable?

[marble mantle]

I don’t think any should be removed but there’s 1 I think really needs to be changed

[shadow aurora]

Theyre ok

[marble mantle]

Dogs have been successfully curving in midair to hit me post dodge, and especially since I can’t consistently dodge them with that problem, it’s an annoyance that I instantly get corrupted

[shadow aurora]

Meh i dont care about hounds that much

Pushing them is so easy that I rarely get caught by them

[tulip shoal]

ok thanks is the XII still the best one?

[shadow aurora]

Bulwarks are just anti fun

[hidden torrent]

Bulwark are a lot of fun, one of the only things that change how you approach a situation imo

Unless you use plasma

[shut valve]

shoutout to that time i got trapped through two bulwark shields

[hidden torrent]

Happens all the time

Just press F ez

You'll be fine

[shadow aurora]

Mad disagree. There is nothing more viscerally unsatisfying than popping a ranged ability only for the entire ability to be cucked because a bulwark (1) existed

[hearty panther]

you get cucked by one bulwark?

[shadow aurora]

When they stand in front of the entire horde yea

[hidden torrent]

Sounds like a skill issue or low difficulty, auric Maelstrom there's usually enemies in 360

[shadow aurora]

Like in a hallway

[hearty panther]

like yea sometimes they come at you in an actual phalanx of six

[hidden torrent]

Because everyone holds w

[hearty panther]

but anything less than three is comically managable

and beyond that it just asks for a specific resourde

[shadow aurora]

I dont think you're understanding my point

[hidden torrent]

Even 6 is manageable, the only time bulwarks are an issue are in a mixed horde

[shadow aurora]

Thats what im talking about

When they're alone they're easy to fight

[hidden torrent]

So you want to just be able to hold left click and not think then?

[hearty panther]

yea i dont see it tbh

[hidden torrent]

Just play plasma

[hearty panther]

even if they have horde fodder and shit supporting the one bulwark

[shadow aurora]

No i want to be able to shoot the enemies and not have to do this stupid dance with this shield guy

[hearty panther]

theyre trivial

often i just ignore them

[hidden torrent]

I hear space hulk death wing is cheap, that's a shoot only game

[shadow aurora]

You cant if they are in front of everyone

[hearty panther]

yeah you can

[hidden torrent]

Throw a single grenade and they all fall over

[hearty panther]

you bait their one very telegraphed attaxk

and then dodge and leave

the worse they can do is that shield bonk

[shadow aurora]

You cant always just leave

[hearty panther]

then you shoot em lol

melee

whatever you want

[shadow aurora]

You are not understanding me

[hidden torrent]

Generally you can, there's very few situations you can't back peddal

[shadow aurora]

At all

[hearty panther]

they are really not a threat alone, you need a literal multitude of stacked shields before they become proper obnoxious

[shadow aurora]

Its not about them being a threat

[hearty panther]

they otherwise accomplish their exact purpose

you reposition slightly

[hidden torrent]

He's saying he wants to be able to stand still and shoot and them not get in the way

[shadow aurora]

Thats not it

Dont put words in my mouth

[hearty panther]

yea thats not it

[hidden torrent]

Isn't that what you're saying, when we say reposition and you say no

But you're saying they block shots

And that's why they aren't fun

[somber axle]

That sounds funny but I love the Dueling Sword way too much LOL

[shadow aurora]

Im talking about the specific situation where that isnt an option

I already said that

[hearty panther]

then you made a mistake

[hidden torrent]

Like I said originally, it's a position issue

[shadow aurora]

I made a mistake by being in a hallway?

[hearty panther]

if one bulwark has you fucked in a hallway?

[shadow aurora]

Omfg

[hearty panther]

then the issue is your inability to manage one singular bulwark

and yes i understand you mean a bulwark + stuff

but its the same answer

[shadow aurora]

Im going to leave before i blow a gasket because you people do not understand

[hidden torrent]

You as a veteran have a multitude of options to quickly deal with a singular bulwark

[somber axle]

Yeah they're very good imo and your mileage varies depending on build and how well the player is at clicking heads consistently

I like going Exe Stance Marksman's Focus

[hearty panther]

dreg ragers do a similar thing right now

but they are much more overwhelming with their numbers and arent nearly as slow and avoidable

[hidden torrent]

I use a zarona to specifically deal with Ragers quickly

[somber axle]

You can very quickly and easily put down most threats and the only weakness the Infantry Lasguns have are to Maulers (mitigated with Flak perk and some rending) and Crushers (grab a good can opener melee and/or kraks)

[shut valve]

i approve this message ^

[tulip shoal]

ok thanks

[hidden torrent]

Am I the only one that doesn't think even 3 or so crushers aren't dangerous regardless of melee

Like if you get downed by them they you have like MS or something

[somber axle]

8 Crushers spawn in front and are supported by a horde, a legion of gunners and the ai director spamming specials at the squad nonstop. It's not so much the Crushers being what kills most times, it's that unless someone can quickly get rid of them they become a wall of area denial that can force a squad out of position or force a squad to split up during a chaotic moment

[shadow aurora]

Only thing they can do that is dangerous is hide behind each other so you cant see the windup

[somber axle]

Dodging Crushers isn't hard

[umbral parrot]

It's really gunners that are the issue.

[somber axle]

They're basic and slow

[umbral parrot]

Fighting Crushers is not hard. Anyone who gets wacked by them is a special kind of victim.

[hidden torrent]

Imo this is what most people are bad at, target priority.

That's what kills most poeple

Fuck

[shadow aurora]

Porple

[uncut pebble]

I ran out of dodges trying to get away from the blender that is dreg ragers.

[shadow aurora]

Poeple

[somber axle]

It's really just that they are big, tanky threats you can't ignore. They will instagib you if they catch you so you have to either kill them fast or you are forced to constantly dodge and remain mobile which can push you into awkward sights or lead to an awkward moment where a hound/trapper catches you off guard during a dodge and leaves you no time to dodge the net or pounce

[lusty sapphire]

Guys I always wanted to ask but why does the game run smoother in the medium preset than in the low settings preset

[hearty panther]

can be anything

[somber axle]

I like killing them fast because I enjoy hunting them

[hearty panther]

welcome to computers

[somber axle]

But honestly yeah target priority is what messes up a lot of people

[hidden torrent]

If you're good at kiting crushers are a low priority

[uncut pebble]

Being "good at kiting" isn't the issue here.

[hidden torrent]

Yeah sure it is

If you can't dodge an attack you'll die

[uncut pebble]

Crushers, by themselves, are a non-issue. Everybody agrees on that.

The issue is everything else.

[somber axle]

It's just the first domino that leads to someone falling. Pushed out of position, poor target priority, trapped by a horde and can't dodge or shredded by gunners while trying to dodge the Crushers and shoot the higher priority threats

[uncut pebble]

You can't dodge literally everything.

[hidden torrent]

Yeah like I said, target priority

[shadow aurora]

Tbh thats goes for most enemies

[hidden torrent]

All enemies

Other than like a DH

Which with the right build is a pretty minor issue even still

[uncut pebble]

"Target priority," my ass. You aren't killing more than 3 crushers instantly unless you have a very specific build, and in that case, you suffer against other targets.

[hearty panther]

thats not what target priority means here lol

[shadow aurora]

Kid named plasma:

[hidden torrent]

Lmao

[uncut pebble]

Just accept the fact that crushers get infinitely harder when you throw other elites/specialists into the mix.

[hidden torrent]

A single shredder grenade knock over your crushers then you deal with as much range as you can in that time

Granted there's no specials

Or VoC

Or both if need be

[shadow aurora]

Or infil -threat

[somber axle]

I really enjoy Infantry Lasguns for quickly sniping specials and elites. You can alleviate the pressure fast if you can kill the lines of flamers, bombers, tox bombers, trappers, snipers and hounds as they march into the squad. Shock Trooper and a little crit extends the number of shots between reloads immensely and with Exe Stance + Marksman's Focus you can pretty comfortably one tap any special and elite with exception to Muties, Maulers and Crushers. Muties still go down in a few quick head shots too though

Tbh all of the Lasguns kinda have that fun factor built in for keeping the damage pouring into the waves of specials/elites longer

[hearty panther]

Nobody is going to dispute that, since it's an empty statement applicable in every scenario. Opt in any enemy and add "with elites/specialists into the mix" and it's the same.

You know how at lower levels, a monster spawns, and all four players try to burn it down ASAP?

But then you get to Aurics and it's like, maybe at most two players handling the monster while everyone else kills the shit that spawns?

That's target priority.

If you can't instantly burst eight crushers, then your focus is on all the shit that keeps piling up around you. Not the crushers.

[somber axle]

Yeah in Aurics usually one person kites the monster while others alternate between killing disablers/elites/specials that roam in and helping burn the boss

Tunnel vision on one threat is always going to get someone killed

[hearty panther]

And that's why it's also very much about kiting.

The Crushers ARE your focus, until the AI spawns in four specials. And then it's very important that you keep your distance and save your dodges for that net.

[somber axle]

Crushers, Bulwarks and Hordes are all just meaty damage sponges to try to deny a direction or area for the squad to kite into while dealing with higher priority problems anyway

[shadow aurora]

Having ptsd flashbacks to the time i was getting scorched by a tox flamer while dodging ten maulers

While my entire team was busy killing poxwalkers

[hearty panther]

i mean ill show this clip off for the flimsiest of reasons

but you can really see my thought process and priority list

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is1rpZeTiBg

the entire conceit of the game is finding the rhythm with your weapons to manage whatever threat it throws at you in the best way you can

its entirely possible to kit yourself out in such a way that you are kinda fucked in a specific scenario

but you are never honestly helpless

[hidden torrent]

there's def a rare occasion you're helpless through your own mistakes

[uncut pebble]

Well, yeah, this obviously makes sense. I just hate the "hurr durr crushers are easy" argument, because they're really not as they're never really alone.

Same thing goes for maulers.

[hidden torrent]

imo they still aren't an issue unless there's like 10 literally

[hearty panther]

no theyre pretty easy lol

theyre intimidating

they take a lot of punishment (barring some answers like krak)

[hidden torrent]

once there is too many for their timing to line up they become an issue

[hearty panther]

but all they do is check to see that you arent dumb enough to let four of them surround you on either side

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, I can drop both targets in 2 revolver shots, but 1) there's too many of them for 5 bullets to deal with, and 2) I need ammo for other enemies.

[ancient path]

with the crafting rework on the horizon, should i just save? and also what sort of power maul build do you guys go

[hidden torrent]

Crushers should rarely be dealt with first regardless

[uncut pebble]

And that's also assuming I'm using a revolver.

[uncut pebble]

Randoms like to play chicken with crushers too much for me to, in good conscience, leave them alive.

[hearty panther]

shockmaul is unyielding + whatever and skullcrusher + high voltage

[uncut pebble]

Wtf, why would you want unyielding?

[hearty panther]

you can build it to one shot heavy bruisers to the head on veteran

[uncut pebble]

I would think flakiak is best.

[hearty panther]

with flak or unarmored

but the reality is that most of your breakpoints arent changing

its almost all skullcrusher + high voltage doing the work

shout to knock shit back, hit them for free skullcrusher stacks

100% damage by the third hit

and it has dogshit unyielding damage which i mean nothing else really changes for breakpoints so

may as well, so that bosses dont take an eternity

[uncut pebble]

25% maniac doesn't change bps?

[hearty panther]

not on most vet trees

[shadow aurora]

OK so im not the only one experiencing the fotf audio bug

Good to know

Also

Holy shit

[hearty panther]

i will give you one thing

bulwarks with shooters behind them, that are staggering the bulwark

and you now cant stagger them yourself

because theyre too busy being friendly fired

that fucking sucks