veteran-class

[gilded rock]

Funny recon fast

[faint beacon]

Flechette Stong!!!!! 💪 💪 💪

(its not its mediocre)

[radiant chasm]

Attack speed is bad not good xd

Just brun through ammo quicker and mess up your muscle memory and overkill

(For ranged)

[spring cloud]

Overkill is best kill

[radiant chasm]

It can be niche buff in certain situations but constant ranged attack speed with no shocktroop bleh

[gilded rock]

You must not know what sneaky gets up to

[spring cloud]

I strive to achieve Megakill, and in my dreams Ultrakill.

[radiant chasm]

Im more hyped for psykers getting bolters, shotguns and brautos

Unless psyker already had brauto

But i dont think they do?

[somber axle]

I have all classes at 30 and every single class penance complete except for like 3

Ogryn 100 matches complete
Zealot 1 wound match completion in under 20 min
Zealot penance for doing a list of penances including the previous one

[spring cloud]

Dunno, only ever use the recon that makes the heads explode when I hold the trigger long enough

[somber axle]

One day I will do the speedrun Zealot penance

[gilded rock]

I mean playing recon on zealot

Not just in general

[somber axle]

Yeah probably

[crimson pebble]

Other cole carried me through it last night on karnak twins tooks two trys

[somber axle]

Nice

[thorn lark]

After shotguns safe bets are recons and brautos. Boltgun I am not sure...

[tall torrent]

railgun throwing knife is real

[thorn lark]

Psyker chaxe

[white minnow]

the planet fitness card is real

[gilded rock]

Gunking up the bolter would be funny

[thorn lark]

Musclebrained siblings

Considering the bolter is a finesse weapon now... Yeah

It could work well with warp charges too, like revolver

[white minnow]

i might finally have my brautos on psyker

the heavens shine upon me

[thorn lark]

What is the Crit string on brautos?

2 - 3

[white minnow]

3 i think for all of them?

[elder fiber]

I assume its not happening but it'd be very funny if vet got flamer and was stronger with it than zealot

[white minnow]

the one thing i do know is that they all have the same crit string as each other

[iron marten]

Helbore on psyker?

[gilded rock]

Anything zealot has for ranged, vet would do better

[thorn lark]

Autoguns
Lowered the amount of hits that do increased damage on a critical hit string:
Colmnus Mk V Autoguns from 4 to 3
Braced Autoguns from 3 to 2.

[mortal horizon]

so this thing turned out pretty nice

[thorn lark]

Warp charges brauto gang

Fuck scryer. We bring back og gunker

[crimson pebble]

Id like unarmored over maniac but besides that yours is just about as good as it gets

[white minnow]

damnit

[elder fiber]

finally, brautos nerfed from solid mid tier to solid mid tier

[white minnow]

it's joever

[elder fiber]

ngl I forgot they'd even gotten crit string nerf, they've felt the same to me lol

[faint beacon]

Holy fucking shit this was miserable

[white minnow]

yeah it's pretty whatevs especially with the finesse multiplier that they have

anyways, it's joever for the brautos

[radiant chasm]

Besides ammo flamer sounds pretty bad for vet

Zealot can go throwing knives, vet can boost the damage a good bit but you lose a lot of what veteran is good at, tho who knows onslaught+ rending strikes just might mean you can melt crushers

[faint beacon]

I was practically playing this mission 50% solo

I want to die mentally

[elder fiber]

yeah that + all the standard vet steroids could be funny

exe stance flamer on bosses, we have pre nerf chastise at home

[radiant chasm]

I mean, most vet boosts are ranged boosts

Which don’t affect flamer

Or the burn damage specifically which makes up most of your damage

[bronze trout]

What are the odds that vet gets the heavy stubbers from ogryn? Are there negative odds?

[radiant chasm]

Negative odds

[faint beacon]

Extreme negative odds

[radiant chasm]

The shared weapons are for the human sized classes

[faint beacon]

no way in hell basically

[bronze trout]

but I want it

[faint beacon]

they'd have to make single barrel stubbers

for Vet

[radiant chasm]

Ie weapons that are shared between 2/3 will now be 3/3

[faint beacon]

which would be completely separate

[radiant chasm]

Just play glugger

Achlys glugger is a beast

[bronze trout]

I do thats the only other class I play

I really hope this update fixs the crafting and the game is finally in it's 1.0 state

Then we can focus on new stuff

[faint beacon]

trying to get Flech on Ripper for literally 1 fucking gimmick build

and its taking forever

father I crave death

[crimson pebble]

Even after most of their resources will prob still be being put into playstation port

[bronze trout]

Every day we are farther from darktide versus

[gilded cobalt]

I leveled this thing up, and kinda happy right now

What should I change on it?

[split sapphire]

I saw Sunder got buffed, i like it so far

[minor jewel]

hadron... Im going to fucking blow up sweden

[idle pecan]

...tahnks melk

sorry, gotta give credit where its due

should i swap shred for brumo or infested for flak armored

[slow sky]

Brutal momentum is mandatory

[idle pecan]

noted

[placid portal]

I would be high AF but decapitator is a funny damage blessing for vet

[cold shell]

Behold! A good weapon, I think

[cold shell]

straight up, porting this game to xbox was a mistake. None of those players have ever contributed positively to a game.

[unique orchid]

least toxic fatshark player lmao

[cold shell]

these are the harshest words I can say on a public discord.

[unique orchid]

i know

and if you need harsher words for people who havent played a FS game before and just suck, as we all once did, you need to chill

[minor jewel]

I mean, hes not wrong

[faint beacon]

I wont lie my patience was driving thin cause that was like my 3rd match in a row of a straight carry on an Ogryn I was never going to play once I got Flechette on Ripper Guns

I have plans

thats all Im going to say

[last parcel]

cant let the haters sabotage the plan

[unique orchid]

The lizardmen waited millenia to enact The Great Plan, you can play a couple games with console boys

[faint beacon]

I did 5 before I had my fill on Darktide in general and went to play Zombies

I’ve still yet to get Flechette

But there is a Devious plan brewing

[somber axle]

I normally try to protect struggling players but sometimes they just do bizarre things and it's too risky to even attempt to play escort mission with them LOL

Help one of them for a minute, turn around and find out the other half of the squad is halfway across the map and both are down LMFAO

Like ok I'm protecting this one the other two are lost causes until we find a revive checkpoint

[faint beacon]

That’s basically what happened

Fucking Malice difficulty threw 2 monstrosities at once

Plogryn + BON combo

[unique orchid]

ive had that happen a couple times, but ive two kraks and the bistol

[faint beacon]

They kept splitting up so I had to maintain toughness through the easy to get Toughness talents on Ogryn

[oblique totem]

Should I redownload?

[last parcel]

if you havent played the new map and weapons, yeah probably

or you can wait a few months for itemization

[oblique totem]

Hmmm

[gilded rock]

Fun gaem

Try something new

Lots of builds and weapons

[safe cargo]

my fellow veterans

i have completed almost every penance of the for the emperor series

i embark upon my final and greatest challenge yet

on overwatch.

[somber axle]

OH IS IT TIME

IT'S TIME AGAIN

[somber axle]

allow a clown to show you a special tactic from their bag of tricks

[rare turret]

been rolling with infernus III up until the new update

buffed recon lasgun feels spicy

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[safe cargo]

[somber axle]

With one charge of Infiltrate and Low Profile you get 18 full seconds of being ignored by enemies

With two charges you get 36

[rare turret]

the difference between infernus III and IV is nuts

[somber axle]

Also!

You can underhand lob shredder frag grenades without breaking stealth

[rare turret]

yeah stealth is totally balanced in darktide lol

[somber axle]

this is a very good way to safely clear a room

[safe cargo]

god emperor bless you

[somber axle]

you can underhand drop 1-2 grenades and empty a room before stealth breaks

Good luck on the penance!

OH ALSO

It's possible to earn it on Malice

if you could find a Malice Low Intensity match that would be the easiest way to earn it

[torn glen]

Sneaky cats gotcha covered

[rare turret]

i do similar things with infiltrate nade spam, but i dont take the CD reduction or the second charge. long as you position yourself correctly you shouldnt neeed a second charge

on overwatch was a fun blessing to earn

thats what ive been running as of late with the lasgun

very rarely have ammo issues

and i guess you can drop field improv for tac awareness if you really NEED the cooldown reduction

downside is you dont really regen toughness well, so you gotta be careful where you are. cant ignore bruisers forever.

also the shovel i pair with it

[oblique totem]

Glad to see the resident clown is going strong as ever.

[rare turret]

👀 whos the clown tho

[safe cargo]

i got one after like 20 minutes of waiting

got it first try

🫡

[somber axle]

NICE

Congrats! 😄

[safe cargo]

put on sweet victory from spongebob as soon as i did

i got paired with an ogryn and other vet that kept me safe

[somber axle]

Honestly the best of the penance helmets imo

[safe cargo]

i got all 3 in one night

it was painful but i am genuinely so relieved now

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-fives-death-the-mission-the-nightmares-gif-17402131

[junior needle]

HH is BIS on vet because of shocktrooper and infernus loses a lot of value without a crit printing setup

[bold belfry]

[placid portal]

Out for blood, what is your guys take?

Sounds like toughness farming with manstopper DBS or buckshot lawbringer

[rare turret]

Didn't really wanna go the optimal route with headhunter, I've still had plenty of value out of infernus despite the lack of crits

Honestly I should check the crit rate for the build

[fallow beacon]

whats the second perk for the plasma gun if it already has gets hot?

[last parcel]

for second blessing, blaze away or gloryhunter

[fallow beacon]

i got one that has gets hot 3 and gloryhunter 4

i havent locked anything yet

[rare turret]

I really wish the plasma gun had nuance to it besides m1 into crowds. It kinda looks fun

[junior needle]

I've still had plenty of value out of infernus despite the lack of crits

[rare turret]

dunno maybe I'm just over performing

[junior needle]

You'd need specific scoreboard mods to isolate actual infernus performance, people tend to see things burning and think it's doing more than it is

Just mentioning it in case you're unaware

[rare turret]

I count the value of it by shooting a specialist to half health and letting it burn to death while I rotate to the next one

Like yes maybe it's not max stacks every time but... Works for me y'know

I guess I could install a stats mod to see how many times I'm proccing infernus

[junior needle]

You wouldn't get infernus procs, you'd just get burn damage

[rare turret]

Clearly I don't know how the weapon works then

[junior needle]

Keep in mind that dots are scale nonlinearly, and so 16 stacks will do more damage than 8+8

Huh? The scoreboard can't track infernus procs

You'd only be able to see burn damage

[rare turret]

Not scoreboard, some other mod that tracks things like brittleness stacks, etc

I haven't looked so I don't know what that would be

[junior needle]

Oh yeah that one can show you burn stacks on the target

Very useful

Doesn't track how many you get throughout the game though

[rare turret]

Scoreboard would track crits if anything

[junior needle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/137?tab=description

[proper island]

What is y'alls favorite Veteran subclass?

[rare turret]

Shredder spam is best

You get to play all the memes and if they don't work out you toss a few shredders on the ground and move to the next engagement

[junior needle]

Oh true, it does track crit rate. Although you can crit a lot on chaffe and barely get burn value, so the burn damage is your primary measurement of usefulness.

[rare turret]

Exe stance bolter is also real fun. Hard to play but fun

[proper island]

i must say, i like the catachan knife with the bleed if hit in any place other than the weakspot

[last parcel]

not the l word

server explodes

pounces on you

[junior needle]

Lacerate is really bad

[proper island]

really?

[junior needle]

You actually do less damage and have slower clear by using it

Because the knives are heavy finesse weapons

And do dinky damage on bodyshots

And massively more on weakspots

[proper island]

im talking about it from the perspective of a shitter that didn't go above malice tbh

[junior needle]

You can take whatever in malice and have it work

[proper island]

uh huh, so what would you recommend for someone who wants to go above malice for a catachan knife?

[junior needle]

Uncanny, and then you have a few options for a second blessing

[uncut pebble]

Weapon specialist is so silly with the damage you can deal.

I just played like absolute trash and spent a whole 3ish minutes dead and still dropped 612k damage.

[junior needle]

Generally precog/riposte/executor (ONLY on the mk6 with heavy spam)

[pastel yew]

exec stance my beloved

make spikey things glow

[junior needle]

Mercy killer is an option if you take serrated

[pastel yew]

make glowy things dead

[uncut pebble]

Exe stance is fun but it also is hard to give up voc.

[junior needle]

Flesh tearer is not really recommended on anything but critmax zealot

[pastel yew]

honestly I was a hardline voc enjoyer

and without it you feel like.. naked

but then you get used to it

now I never play with it

its so much less interesting than the other two

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I know. I used exe stance only when I was doing the marksman's focus penance and, obviously, the exe stance penances.

It's quite nice to drop a reaper in 1 lasgun shot.

[pastel yew]

oh yo I didnt realise that was a breakpoint it could meat

on the infantry lasguns

[uncut pebble]

Specifically the mk12, and I had all 3 perks related to elite damage.

[pastel yew]

a lot of my enjoyment recently has been for the bolt pistol though

though my current bolt pistol build runs shout because.. it needed the point

1 point short always

[uncut pebble]

Bring it down, superiority complex, the 30% weakspot node, exe stance, and 10 stacks of marksman's focus.

[pastel yew]

how much does marksmans focus aid the breakpoints for the weapon

[uncut pebble]

Reaper 1shots are possible but you have to have a very specific setup.

[pastel yew]

is it making other things one shottable that wouldnt otherwise be too or?

[uncut pebble]

Nah. The only other things that survive it are crushers, maulers, mutants (maybe, didn't test), and bulwarks (also didn't test because you aren't getting a headshot under those circumstances and practicality is a thing).

[spice wadi]

Marksmans focus in my exp tends to be particularly good for trying to hit the 1 tap on scab gunners and flamers/toxic flamers

[uncut pebble]

Scuse me I apparently cannot remember worth a damn.

It's a 2 shot.

[bold belfry]

Bolbgon

[pastel yew]

its good on the plasmagun for its fucky breakpoints

also easy to maintain and generate stacks

but it seems to be mostly good on automatic weapons

which is so sad

given its meant to be like... the accuracy keystone

someone said disrupt destiny is what marksman focus should have been and... they're right

though I'd be sad to see psyker lose it

[uncut pebble]

Need 10 stacks of focus, bring it down, superiority complex, the 30% weakspot node, and the 20% power on ability activation with exe stance.

Also, 25% unyielding damage.

If you don't have that, you need a crit to 2tap a reaper.

[pastel yew]

what are the state of the infantry lasguns

I havent used them like

at all

[spice wadi]

You can use mf with boltgun

[pastel yew]

since I started playing

[spice wadi]

The 1a is fine

[pastel yew]

1a is the fastest one right?

[spice wadi]

No it's the middle one

[bold belfry]

Bolbgon my beloved

[uncut pebble]

The mk4 is the fastest, mk1 is the middle ground, and mk12 is the slow one.

[spice wadi]

My problem with the Lasguns is that they kill fine but the lack of cleave is a problem

[uncut pebble]

Then use a recon.

[spice wadi]

It runs into the 'my autogun handles this better' thing

[uncut pebble]

The mk7 has excellent cleave and actually makes marksman's focus quite fun to use.

[spice wadi]

The recons are also in the 'my autogun does this better' zone

[uncut pebble]

Well, then it falls to preference.

With vet, lasguns have significantly better ammo economy due to shock trooper existing.

But, if you'd like that extra point somewhere else, you can use an autogun instead.

[spice wadi]

At the mo the thing is that they did get buffed which is fine

They're fine

But they're not good enough to justify going back to the casino when I already have a bunch of full autos

[uncut pebble]

I struggle to see why a psyker would take a recon over an autogun, though.

Crit chance?

Are the crit chances different between the weapon classes?

[pastel yew]

I think the main appeal of the recons there is that their dps is still nuts, but they trade off dps for never really needing to reload, great hipfire accuracy, and having near infinite ammo

[proper island]

which Lasgun y'all prefer to use? if you use a lasgun at all?

[spice wadi]

Idk I only play psyker to grief my premade with assail

[pastel yew]

I'd use the slow highest damage one

even though from what I understand that is the worst

just a personal preference thing though

[proper island]

Kantrael Mk XII?

[uncut pebble]

I like the mk12/helbore for precision work (depends on how I'm feeling) or the mk7 recon if I want a bullet hose.

[pastel yew]

there are very few unusable guns on vet

the skill tree is so stacked

[pastel yew]

yee

[proper island]

noice, same here, i like kantrael and if i want to bullet hose im using Accratan

[uncut pebble]

Those... are the weapon models.

Not the mk's.

[pastel yew]

the mk2 recon also feels so fucking nice, with exec stance enabled the hipfire is basically just one continuous beam

[uncut pebble]

Like, kantrael is just the "infantry lasgun," of which there is the mk1, the mk4, and the mk12.

[pastel yew]

I think there arent any mk overlaps though right

?

[uncut pebble]

Likewise, accatran is the "recon lasgun," which has the mk2, mk6, and mk7.

[uncut pebble]

No overlaps, but there are a handful of weapons that are named funky, like the double barrel being named the "ironhelm" when there's a thunder hammer of the same name.

Though, there are only two thunder hammers, so we don't refer to them by their mk numbers.

[pastel yew]

mhm

crucis gang

[uncut pebble]

It's either the "crucis" or the "ironhelm," and we don't call the double barrel an "ironhelm" for that reason.

[pastel yew]

even though from what I'm aware crucis is just worse

0 cleave on that things special

but its the one I've used so I have an irrational attatchment to the mark

[uncut pebble]

Crucis has an issue with bouncing off of poxwalkers when you're aiming at something else.

[pastel yew]

yeah

also like

the special activation does not do enough damage

[spice wadi]

I'm prejudiced against recons because whenever I see a recon vet in public auric lobbies they're always orange ammo before the mid event

[pastel yew]

because they're stupid

like

[uncut pebble]

If you use an ironhelm, the special cleaves until it either runs out of cleave or it runs into an elite/specialist.

[pastel yew]

I dont know how you could have a not shit build

and run out of ammo

I am shooting for like 90% of every combat

and only pick up like.. a light box and a medium box

all game

[uncut pebble]

They don't aim for headshots and don't have headhunter.

[pastel yew]

and even then have hundreds to spare

[bold belfry]

Boltgun :)

[pastel yew]

I dont have headhunter either

unfortunately

[uncut pebble]

If you're running a recon, you should have headhunter and shock trooper in auric lobbies so you have good ammo economy.

[pastel yew]

boltpistol is also pretty hard to run out of ammo on

the boltgun for sure though

mostly because I cannot resist the occasional... exec stance hipfire that horde of glowies

the kill feed calls to me

[bold belfry]

Doesn't help when I magdump into hordes / specials

[proper island]

No headhunter here, but that is mostly cuz im a shitter and usually like to use the shout ability or the infiltration ability

[pastel yew]

its so hard not to though! its so satisfying

[uncut pebble]

I can make a horde of glowies disappear faster and still have ammo using a recon instead of a bolter.

[bold belfry]

Hipfire boltgun chads stay winnning

[pastel yew]

yeah although exec stance is.... probably my favourite...

[bold belfry]

Surgical mains in shambles

[pastel yew]

its really not good for people that need extra defence

its the only ability that gives no defence

[spice wadi]

I'm moving away from VOC to stealth

[pastel yew]

stealth is stronger for solo play, though voc is better if you wanna be a team player

[spice wadi]

cos stealth lets me play even worse

[bold belfry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1138906790105452555/1263964866822148218/1361210_773.jpg?ex=669c2683&is=669ad503&hm=9f3858fad37324158f05ed940fd9390e1a0e2f0644ef3b12294ae7b52d727109&

[proper island]

Mine favorite is the infiltration ability, like to just suddenly cleave through hordes with my knife and them completely ignoring me, also got the infiltrator set as my first penitance set

[uncut pebble]

Headhunter is a blessing on the gun; it grants crit chance on headshots until you get a crit, which synergizes very well with recons' high rate of fire and shock trooper not consuming ammo on crits. I was not referring to executioner's stance, which is the left side ability.

[pastel yew]

take me back to old pinning fire... toss a grenade at horde... get [phone]% damage for no reason

hipfire 30 shots because of the free reload on old exec stance

[spice wadi]

do not mention old pinning fire lest ye summon pre-nerf autopistol

[pastel yew]

I'm so sad I never tried tit

[uncut pebble]

Was the autopistol just broken af or something?

[pastel yew]

the autopistol never massively interested me

i do hope it gets a bit of a buff though

[spice wadi]

it was so stupid

[pastel yew]

from my understanding it used to delete everything

for a very narrow window

after the skill trees dropped

[spice wadi]

like it's hard to accurately describe how stupid it was

[pastel yew]

before it got nuked to being unusable

[spice wadi]

it was incredibly stupid from p much the game coming out

[uncut pebble]

Oh so fatshark goofed on how much damage it was doing, then.

[spice wadi]

until they broke pinning fire's spine

[pastel yew]

yeah but

both times a gun has been broken because of pinning fire

they take both the gun AND the blessing out back for a beat down

when just nerfing pinning fire would be fine

[uncut pebble]

Silly fatshark, how dare you let your consumer base have fun!

[spice wadi]

under the old talents you had pinning fire (pre nerf) + blaze away + old unwavering focus + old confirmed kill

[pastel yew]

I dont really care for bursty weapons being op as

its hard for that to impact my play experience

[spice wadi]

so a lobby with an autopistol vet was

the vet presses W + shoot through the entire level

the rest of the lobby does nothing

[pastel yew]

compared to plasma gun just being game ruining

[uncut pebble]

Oh, in other news, I got really, really angry at a psyker earlier.

[pastel yew]

no nerf

[uncut pebble]

This dude had a purg staff and would not put it away to save his life.

[spice wadi]

if u did not see old autopistol u have never seen true game ruining

[pastel yew]

burnin them heretics

[rare turret]

its all he has to offer the team

[pastel yew]

theres a 0% chance its as bad as current plasma

[uncut pebble]

I was like 1/6 hp in the belly of a BON and he wouldn't pull out his sword and poke the pimple to let me out.

[pastel yew]

just because of its range limitation

[rare turret]

staffs need a serious rework

[pastel yew]

I

[spice wadi]

ah hah hooo

[pastel yew]

didnt even know that was a thing

400 hours btw

[spice wadi]

old AP with pinning fire stacked

[uncut pebble]

Yeah if you do enough damage on the pimple it makes the BON spit you out.

[spice wadi]

had no range limitation

[uncut pebble]

Notice when it swallows someone it turns around and runs away.

[pastel yew]

so many weird interactions

[spice wadi]

because the numbers got so silly

[rare turret]

powderburn was nutty too back then

[uncut pebble]

It's literally giving you an opportunity to free your teammates.

[pastel yew]

its like the chaos spawn grab

a lot of people dont know you can stop it munching on your friend and healing

=if you bait its attack by getting close

[spice wadi]

I have had small screaming fits

[uncut pebble]

Yeah just step into it and dodge out of it.

Very easy.

[spice wadi]

when the team is standing slightly too far away from the spawn while it's eating me

shooting it

and it's out healing the shooting

[pastel yew]

yeah its just not really explained anywhere, so easily missed

at least that one is more obvious

I did a like lvl 3 psyker run recently and

man I forgot

how much the chaos spawn shits on low levels

[rare turret]

you could write a book on all the unexplained interactions; or lack of interaction

[pastel yew]

it completely shredded the 3 randoms before I even saw it

[uncut pebble]

I mean, it's pretty self explanatory.

If you can't figure out you need to get close to a chaos spawn to stop it from chewing on your teammates, then that's an issue with you, not the game.

[pastel yew]

100% on that one

but on the slug boy?

[rare turret]

like 2 chaos spawns can kill a player since chaos spawns will still attack you even if another has grabbed

[pastel yew]

that ones more easily missed

[uncut pebble]

Same with the pimple and spitting someone out on BON.

[pastel yew]

given it could just spit them out whenever

also like

[uncut pebble]

Nah if it was just random then that would mean it just murders someone 9/10 times.

[pastel yew]

the situations someone actually gets eaten are super rare

whereas no one can dodge the grab attack for some reason

[uncut pebble]

Plus if you see if start inching away, your first instinct should be "shoot that mf in the pimple."

[pastel yew]

even though its super telegraphed

[pastel yew]

yeah for sure

but that aids in just not understanding the cause I guess

because you always do that

and again

[uncut pebble]

Well, you'd think people would make the connection, there.

[pastel yew]

its not super often people get swallowed

[uncut pebble]

Shoot the pimple = spit them out.

[pastel yew]

given its so easily avoided in the vast majority of cases

until you get the bon hell spawns

[uncut pebble]

Idk, I get swallowed like 2/3 times I fight one.

[pastel yew]

and it becomes the most crippling piece of shit

[pastel yew]

it can only swallow you

if its puked on you

no puke no swallow

[uncut pebble]

Yup.

I know.

[pastel yew]

so dodge the puke or pull back if you got stacks

they fade pretty quick

[uncut pebble]

Can't avoid the puke if I have to spend all my dodges dodging elites.

[pastel yew]

I dont think? you can dodge its swallow

I think it just happens

if you have stacks

and are close

[uncut pebble]

You can't.

If it gets close and you have the puke on you, you get grabbed no matter what.

[pastel yew]

mhm

[rare turret]

there is a very small window where you can dodge, but it has no cooldown so itll just frame perfect do it again

[pastel yew]

lmfao thats hillarious

[rare turret]

ive dodged the first time many a time, and it just immediately does it again

[proper island]

Okay so i decided to check my blessings on my catachan knife and i have as my other blessing Mercy killer

[rare turret]

it feels horrible

its like flamer pushback levels of bm as far as fatshark is concerned

[pastel yew]

honestly I hate the slug

he does his job perfectly

but having to fight that boss solo

sucks

so much ass

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, I can't really avoid getting vored by a BON just due to the fact that my teammates are typically shitters that shouldn't be queueing in damnation or aurics.

[rare turret]

like why do all the flamers got leaf blowers attached to their flamethrower smh

[pastel yew]

idk I think its pretty avoidable, though I normally play hyper aggressively so there are very few elites n such around anyway

I dont think my playstyle is.. good though

I burn out after one or two games

I cant just sit n chill playing this game anymore I've broken myself

[uncut pebble]

I just switch characters when I start getting bored.

[proper island]

is tactical reload a good or bad passive?

[pastel yew]

its less boredom more fatigue like

I don't normally switch off

[uncut pebble]

Depends on your build.

[rare turret]

depends on how much you reload @proper island

[pastel yew]

might just be a me thing but yeah I cant normally play more than 2 without being super tired

[uncut pebble]

Every perk for vet is dependent on your build, with a few notable outliers like grenade regen.

[rare turret]

field improv is my build

[pastel yew]

reload is good for like

boltgun

and... thats about it

other than that its just nice

[uncut pebble]

Your brain was not wired for high stress environments, then.

[pastel yew]

maybe not

I live for that but

can't maintain it

[proper island]

I think i might need to focus on grenades rn, since i need to do the 500 armored kills with a krak grenade

[rare turret]

boltguns shotties and revolvers

[uncut pebble]

Mine is! I can 180 and drop a specialist without it popping up on spidey sense just because I smell the bastard.

[pastel yew]

darktide is only really as stressful as you make it though

[pastel yew]

yeah just the shottis arent great

[rare turret]

find a duo partner and youll work that anxiety out eventually

[pastel yew]

and the revolver is normally always with weapon specialist

so you never need to reload

[pastel yew]

the games not fun when it's not stressful though ;p

[rare turret]

not here to play the great weapons, besidessssss slug shottie is fun

[pastel yew]

damnation quickplay is the best for it

[uncut pebble]

Focus on getting a decent build started before doing penances. If I remember right, you said you were a hard-stuck malice player? Need to develop your core skills so your penance gameplay doesn't drag your team down.

[pastel yew]

I love when you drop and everyone is dead

its such a "wtf is going on" moment

[uncut pebble]

That being said, all 3 grenade types are very good.

[pastel yew]

the slug shottie is my favourite for sure

I love that the slug is 100% hipfire accurate

for 0 reason

[proper island]

I had that like 3-4 times in a row when i started playing zealot

[rare turret]

my favorite one is when the match is going great until you get downed cuz youre being reckless and the whole team wipes

[pastel yew]

those are the games to live for!

[rare turret]

and youre just like "what..."

[pastel yew]

literally every game

[uncut pebble]

Always check the scoreboard often to avoid that.

[pastel yew]

most people playing auric are not very good

I also dont think most people playing auric have ever played another shooter before

[uncut pebble]

If I am pulling super far ahead in damage and kills, then I need to ego check myself and not be stupid so I don't lose the team a match.

[pastel yew]

doing the kneel of depression and watching the aim some people have is like... wew

but its a casual game so cant complain

its so fucking dead when you get into a game with competent players

[pastel yew]

is what it is

push yourself harder

more aggression

constantly

thats the best way to play

if you lose well oof

[uncut pebble]

Well, yeah, I know.

[pastel yew]

I'm so sad they nuked the zealot crit cooldown

[umbral scaffold]

are u guys using a mod to see scoreboards or what

[pastel yew]

yeah typically

[uncut pebble]

If you don't start off as the aggressor and let the enemies attack first, you are going to have a bad day.

[pastel yew]

scoreboard is honestly one of the most useful mods

[uncut pebble]

Yes, scoreboards are mods.

[pastel yew]

it gets slammed by people on reddit for some reason

but I cant imagine playing without it

its nice being able to see who is hoarding all the ammunition, so you know not to donate it to them

[umbral scaffold]

i dont mind scoreboards but i think it makes some people play greedier

[uncut pebble]

Redditors seeing that their skill can be measured for other people to see makes them seethe with rage.

[pastel yew]

I do think scoreboard affects play

honestly its why I push myself so hard

it's not to be better than others just

to be as good as I can be

[uncut pebble]

I don't. I just see it as "who is pulling their weight."

[pastel yew]

hitting a nutty game and seeing the result clearly is nice

[odd sparrow]

i mostly use to see whether a setup is actually worthwhile.

although being annoyed at extremely bad players is also funny

[uncut pebble]

If I'm pulling 600k+ damage and my teammates are all at 3-400k, then I'm doing well for that match. If we're all about equal, then everyone is competent. If the team is all sitting around the same damage and one person is far behind, then they either have a bad build or they're playing poorly.

I don't see it as "I'm better than you" or anything like that, I just see it as "who am I allowed to be mad at when we wipe."

[rare turret]

idk guys infernus is pretty fuckin good on the mark IId lasgun

[uncut pebble]

[rare turret]

XD if they arent dead within 2 seconds theyre getting 12 stacks

[uncut pebble]

I hate infernus.

The only thing it's useful on is scrier psyker.

[rare turret]

gunker doesnt really need infernus lasguns to be good

[pastel yew]

think damage dealt is like

worthless stat most of the time though

[uncut pebble]

It's not.

[pastel yew]

better measure of combat effectiveness for builds imo is total number of specials n such killed

a lot of damage is dealt to poxwalkers

[uncut pebble]

Wrong again.

[pastel yew]

and killing a poxwalker is like.. almost 0 value

[odd sparrow]

its way more pressing to whom that dmg is dealt

[uncut pebble]

Specials die in like 1 shot on every one of my builds.

[pastel yew]

how would that make me wrong?

[uncut pebble]

Now, the bad stat to try and quantify is overkill damage.

All overkill damage is wasted damage.

[odd sparrow]

killinng 10 poxwalkers is what like 3000 dmg. but thats less damage than say 2 trappers at 1800

[pastel yew]

again though a lot of damage is just dealt to poxwalkers n cleave like

the only kills that matter ARE the specials and elites

which are clearly marked in terms of how many you got

so why would you look to total damage?

[rare turret]

i think this is a silly statement considering the state of weapon balance in this game

no offense lol

[uncut pebble]

Pretty sure 10 poxwalkers don't add up to 3k damage, but sure.

[odd sparrow]

but hey its fine if someone is focusing horde. someone needs to do it

[pastel yew]

they have 300 health each no?

on damnation

[pastel yew]

ehhhhhh I mean

[uncut pebble]

I genuinely don't know because they die in 1 hit anyway.

[pastel yew]

I don't fully agree

[uncut pebble]

Nah, he's right. Someone has to be good at horde clear.

[pastel yew]

personally I feel like good players should be able to dodge and deal with horde while killing elites

but having someone hyper dedicated to it is nice

[uncut pebble]

That's actually why I picked up a rashad for my vet.

It cleaves so well and feels so good to use with weapon specialist.

[odd sparrow]

im fine with having someone on a flamer/smite. not mandatory though.

just makes it easier to peel yourself away from the horde when you wanna shoot priority targets

[pastel yew]

smite 🤮

[uncut pebble]

You use a flamer for horde clear? Wack.

[pastel yew]

sorry I just could not contain my

immense disgust

🤮

[uncut pebble]

I use a flamer to cook bosses and groups of elites.

12 ragers? Dead in like 8 seconds.

[pastel yew]

I dont miond flamer type weapons though they can be a lil intense visually

[uncut pebble]

0 damage dealt to anyone on my team.

[pastel yew]

and 7 of those seconds is just prepping the weapon

[uncut pebble]

I can cook off like half a boss's hp with one full tank, as well.

[pastel yew]

thats like

fairly fine as boss damage goes

I think most classes have good ways of dealing with em though

vets stacked on boss damage

honestly vet is probably a little TOO good at dealing with em

considering its like... 0% investment usually, just normal build effectiveness

[uncut pebble]

Vet be like krak > pc4 psword x3 slashes > repeat until the boss dies.

[rare turret]

kraks are a bad mechanic for the game

[pastel yew]

dude the mk6 push, and the follow up attacks

are degenerate

[odd sparrow]

nah kraks are fine

[pastel yew]

they do way too much damage to unyielding

[rare turret]

they need to be replaced by something taht doesnt trivialize bosses

[uncut pebble]

I think they're fine, but they shouldn't stagger bosses.

[pastel yew]

the stagger is like... the main use for them on bosses though

[rare turret]

carapace and flak armor? sure whatever, but bosses? nah

[pastel yew]

their damage is fine too, sorta nice

[uncut pebble]

The real damage doesn't come from the kraks themselves, it's the damage you deal while the boss is staggered.

[pastel yew]

but the stagger is usually why you toss em yea

[rare turret]

i think they deal way too much damage to bosses

[pastel yew]

most shit trivializes bosses though

[uncut pebble]

Like, if I have all 3 kraks, and I space them out enough, I can have my teammates absolutely melt the boss because their head doesn't move.

[pastel yew]

no point drawing a line in the sand there

aside from beast of nurgle

the boss design is awful

in terms of what they provide

[rare turret]

which is yet another problem this game has lol

[pastel yew]

the plague ogryn might as well not exist

the chaos spawn exists exclusively to stomp new players

[odd sparrow]

plague ogryn is super useless

[pastel yew]

yeah for real

[uncut pebble]

I just don't like chaos spawns.

[pastel yew]

poor guy

they're so free

they have like 2 attack strings

and a grab

[odd sparrow]

but it does take some focus which is the main thing

[uncut pebble]

They're rather annoying when I'm the only one paying attention to them because it's trying to rip my face off.

[odd sparrow]

if youre already knee deep in shit it can still be pain

[rare turret]

i like the interaction you can have with chaos spawns, but the hitbox they have is borderline aneurysm inducing

[pastel yew]

get the monster spawner mod

spawn one in psyk

you'll learn their attack patterns in like

[uncut pebble]

No.

[pastel yew]

2 minutes

[rare turret]

like im behind you stop pushing me away like u got a force field

[pastel yew]

they're super easy

[uncut pebble]

I'm not doing that, no thanks.

[pastel yew]

then do so in game

watch what they do

its 2 different attack strings

and a grab

[rare turret]

a directional grab

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, it's called "get the fuck away from it until it looks at someone else."

[pastel yew]

the grab is always their left arm

always

right from your perspective

[rare turret]

ye

[uncut pebble]

If my teammates won't pay attention to it, I'll just stall until they're forced to.

[rare turret]

it goes from right to left in that direction

[pastel yew]

right arm is their 1 2 3 combo

then they also do the shitty overhead stomps

[rare turret]

you can get caught on their right side cuz of it XD

[pastel yew]

thats all they got

I will say chaos spawn is the most fun to deal with if you have devils claw

god that is a satisfying set of parries

[rare turret]

plague ogryns should leave a trail of pox gas where they go. that would make em more of a challenge

[pastel yew]

that could be cool

they need something to be disruptive

[rare turret]

it would be on theme too

[crude fiber]

Plague ogryn if by itself is kind of a joke tbh

[uncut pebble]

You need to not say these things.

[pastel yew]

because their gimick is.... being really tanky... when boss dps in this game is absurd

[uncut pebble]

Fatshark WILL buff the hell out of plogryns.

[pastel yew]

they should buff them!!

the pogryn is awful

[late hatch]

farting plague goop as they stomp

[pastel yew]

I feel bad for him

he's so adorable

[rare turret]

cannonically they leave plague and disease in their wake, and people who fight em usually die to the sickness afterwords

[pastel yew]

but he's so shit

[uncut pebble]

I don't think you understand how out of hand they will get if they get a buff.

Fatshark is notorious for terrible balancing in both nerfing and buffing things.

[rare turret]

i want more out of hand

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean... a lot of the stuff we fight isn't exactly adhering to canon or we'd be dead a million times over

[uncut pebble]

See dreg ragers for a prime example.

[crude fiber]

Chaos spawn at least pushes you around and can corner you if your not paying attention

[pastel yew]

not always

a lot of changes are good

just sometimes there are really weird overdone outliers

[rare turret]

this shit is either naptime or holy hell why did that trapper shoot me through a pile of enemies without a warning sound

[pastel yew]

the trappers are fucked up

the only threatening enemy in the game

[rare turret]

the sound design is fucked up

[pastel yew]

I dodge on instinct even if I can see the trapper not targetting me

beat that sound into your muscle memory

[uncut pebble]

KX ready to cleanse you with scalpels and probes:

[rare turret]

the fact that you get dodge refunds cuz the game decides player action at the server level is fucked up too

[proper island]

Man i hate how Krak grenade is so slow to detonate ngl

[crude fiber]

Love when that happens

[uncut pebble]

It's not that bad.

Stick a target and ignore them.

[pastel yew]

I kinda dig it, I like the understanding they're about to get nuked

[rare turret]

all these ghost hits and refunded abilities? server has decided you didnt actually do that thing

[pastel yew]

though it is frustrating when you krak something

[rare turret]

that is just bad

[pastel yew]

and then everyone focus kills that

rather than the 9 other crushers

[rare turret]

but i wanna see my name on the screen bradley

[uncut pebble]

Also the delay is nice when you stick something in the front of a group. It lets the group form up around the guy with a krak and you wind up killing like 8 maulers.

[rare turret]

thats how i show you im cool

[proper island]

Well it kinda suck when a teammate kills the guy you sticked with krak before it even has a chance to start counting down to detonating

[pastel yew]

kekekeke

true!

[rare turret]

i last hit that boss everyone shot

[pastel yew]

and honestly I am guilty of like

[rare turret]

im the cool one

[pastel yew]

head empty deleting crushers that were cracked too

like it happens

but it shouldnt happen THAT much

[uncut pebble]

Yeah that's not an issue with the grenade, that's an issue with the idiot that killed the thing you stuck.

[rare turret]

crushers are childs play these days

[pastel yew]

yeah they're a joke

they need a health increase

their damage reduction is good but

total health is shit

[rare turret]

its almost like... certain things in the game trivialize em

[pastel yew]

mhm

krak grenades trivialising them I'm cool with but like... some weapons...

[uncut pebble]

"Crushers are a joke" the 12 crushers that just ate your psyker alive behind your team:

[pastel yew]

exec stance revolver one shot

most people getting killed by crushers are super new though

or like

new to auric

[rare turret]

sounds like the psyker doesnt know how to dodge then

[pastel yew]

I will say though the crushers range

[uncut pebble]

You go dodge 12 crusher overheads, we'll see how well you fare.

[pastel yew]

on the overhead

is just wrong

it goes beyond the model

but thats me just... avoiding dodging on ego because ha lol that wont hit me

then you're 1m away from the tip and still dead

[rare turret]

look, ik everyone is hard on about their team support/ tactics n stuff here... but long as you kill stuff and dont be a liability youre fine in my book

[pastel yew]

I mean we are

everyone is

most people in here are auric players I imagine

[rare turret]

just dont make the game boring by overcompensating with a overtuned build

[pastel yew]

honestly my favorite is trying to dodge crusher and sniper at the same time

[uncut pebble]

This is so optimistic it's actually making my brain hurt.

[pastel yew]

its like playing a rhythm game

dodging sniper shots might actually be wh en the game is most fun

[rare turret]

love the parts when sniper will swap targets mid windup so you just get quickscope punished

[pastel yew]

when you're stuck in melee

so you cant just dip

idk the flow to it is killer

and when you're in that state you feel so dope

[uncut pebble]

Happened to me earlier and iron will just ATE it for breakfast.

[rare turret]

iron will needs to GO lol

[pastel yew]

there have been instances of sniper lasers also being invisible

[uncut pebble]

I had literally just popped voc to shoot the sniper.

[rare turret]

at least in its current form XD

[pastel yew]

Im fine with it like

if you're good

you dont need it

and if you're not good

well

I dont care if you have it

it doesnt affect me

[uncut pebble]

Nah, it needs to go.

We need all crutches to be removed from the game.

[pastel yew]

why though

[uncut pebble]

Down with voc, iron will, and smiteker.

[pastel yew]

its a pve game

[odd sparrow]

what this is a head-ass take

[pastel yew]

as long as someone isn't trivialising my game

thats all I care about

voc is like

on that level though

smite too

[uncut pebble]

All of those things trivialize the game.

[pastel yew]

plasma also

[rare turret]

a pve game with serious balance issues mind you

[pastel yew]

I dont think iron will is trivializing my games lmao

[rare turret]

i think theres a world for iron will, i just dont know if it should be the way it is

[uncut pebble]

But I'm not worried about trivializing the game. I just hate players that rely on these crutches and don't develop the skills they need to function in higher difficulties.

[pastel yew]

but like

that dont affect you

[late hatch]

iron will is so strong as a node its very hard to skip

[rare turret]

its like people who spam thammers in illveg, just takes the difficulty away

[uncut pebble]

It does.

[odd sparrow]

iron will is good but you still get popped super hard when you do get caught since vet has no damage reduction that affects health damage

[pastel yew]

isnt it good to have a wide array of options so you can choose to challenge yourself more or less

[pastel yew]

is that the maelstrom code

for

monstrous

why is that burnt into my memory

tell me I am wrong

[rare turret]

yes, but with more stuff

[uncut pebble]

Let me put it to you like this; I have had at least 1 smiteker in every lobby for the past 3 weeks. It's getting fucking old seeing purple lightning stop everything dead in its tracks.

[rare turret]

monsterous shock troopers scab only yada yada

[pastel yew]

yeah no smite can

get nuked from orbit

[rare turret]

make smite single target and you got me on board

as it currently stands it turns the game off

thats lame

[pastel yew]

smite would be useless single target like

I would rather it just be instantaneous

[uncut pebble]

And you get these people that use smite so often that they can't contribute when shit hits the fan because their skills are so underdeveloped.

[crude fiber]

Krak grenade plus better grenade talent while holding a +unyielding weapon

[pastel yew]

you charge and then it arcs between a set of strong targets

they're electrified, but the psyker can act

[late hatch]

Smite should be more of a burst with a longer CD similar to venting imo

[pastel yew]

less cc but it doesnt tie up the psyker, everyones happy

[pastel yew]

yeeee

big agree

[uncut pebble]

Just make smite a spicier surge staff.

[rare turret]

i can get behind that too ig

[pastel yew]

aggripina revolver + exec stance: look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power

I think theres fun design space for a blitz thats primarily focussed on cc

its just

[crude fiber]

Yeah but that involves using aggripina revolver

[pastel yew]

smite is too far

[uncut pebble]

Anyway, removal of crutch abilities and perks is not a "head-ass take," it's a valid response to people being useless turdmongers in high difficulty lobbies that can't keep up when push comes to shove.

[rare turret]

did they buff the mk 14 revolver?

[pastel yew]

real ones use the aggripina

[rare turret]

that thing was garb when it came out

[pastel yew]

that gun is so fun

its also massively slept on

because people go "ah its worse zarona"

like yeah.. thats most weapons

[rare turret]

its fun but i feel like im pulling my teeth out

zarona is just as bad as the plasma

[crude fiber]

It is fun I just wish it had the tiniest amount of cleave

[pastel yew]

with weapon specialist

its close

[rare turret]

only difference is mag size

[pastel yew]

not far behind but still not as strong

[uncut pebble]

The agripinaa revolver is fun to use but I can't, in good conscience, sacrifice my ability to deal with stuff at long range.

[pastel yew]

without weapon specialist the zarona is fine

honestly

[rare turret]

not even weapon specifalist, you just need hand cannon on the thing

and then ur two tapping crushers

like what, why?

[pastel yew]

yeah but I think thats fine

given the weapons other weaknesses

the massive reload

crit reliance

like its cool, it has a niche

and less total ammo than other weapons

[rare turret]

you dont even have to aim the thing it has an absurd bullet size

[pastel yew]

that are as good at regular special sniping

its THE anti armor tool

and yeah the lack of aim is

absurd

[crude fiber]

Shooting tree logs

[pastel yew]

I can only imagine its for console players

[rare turret]

if it had the same bullet size as the mk 14 revolver, id be a little better

if it was hard to use id be fine with the damage

the problem is babies can use it to great effect

[pastel yew]

I mean I dont think difficulty of use should be a factor in balance

difficulty of use is a player choice

[rare turret]

just like the plasma, just like the columnus

[pastel yew]

only maximum potential ig

the plasma gun is just degenerate

its a revolver with none of the weaknesses

and its better

8 shots instead of 5

2 shots on a partial reload instead of 1

[rare turret]

same cleave

[pastel yew]

its just not as good into carapace

[pastel yew]

it also has actual level penetration

which I dont think the revolver does

headshot a motherfucker through a bulkhead

the zarona only breaches into op op territory for me with weapon specialist as you can ignore its weaknesses

free reload, and guaranteed crit

[rare turret]

ive shot through walls and killed things with the mk II, although not as horrible as the plasma

[pastel yew]

huh the more you know

I didnt think it had any pen outside of enemy

[rare turret]

thin walls it can do

[pastel yew]

more weapons should have cleave

the headhunters not having any

sucks so bad

your bullet stopped by 1 pixel of geometry

[rare turret]

the vraks VI is pain incarnate

[uncut pebble]

I just realized that my setup for reaper 2 taps can 1tap anything short of bosses when I pop exe stance.

[pastel yew]

god its so good when its good though

its like

so close to perfection

[rare turret]

the crosshairs dont line up with where you bullets go half the time

[uncut pebble]

Like, if I put on my zarona instead.

[pastel yew]

real?

[rare turret]

it hurts

[pastel yew]

I've not had that at all

[rare turret]

legit

[uncut pebble]

All ogryns get 1tapped, it feels very nice to use.

[pastel yew]

honestly the first shot hipfire is also pinpoint accurate for me

[rare turret]

it has damage falloff too for some reason?

or is it reverse damage fall off, i forget

i think its damage falloff

[pastel yew]

I think the only guns with reverse are the infantry lasguns

the boltguns

and like

a single one of the helbores

but only one a body shot breakpoint or something

I think its bugged

[rare turret]

dont know why lasguns have damage fall off at all. that just doesnt make sense

[pastel yew]

I'm misremembering

[pastel yew]

I guess like... energy lost over time

given we can see the laser and its heating up air as it goes

[rare turret]

its a laser

[pastel yew]

but yeah its silly

[lyric dock]

Basically perfect stat spread wise, but the classic Melk pre-brick

[pastel yew]

what are your like

weapon wants Iguess

you can get any 3 40k weapons added

what are you goin for

no autocannon for ogryns is just so sad

[rare turret]

a shovel that doesnt sound like its made of cheap tin

love me some mk VII shovel action bug golly the sounds on this thing are goofy

[pastel yew]

chain shovel when

its gotta exist somewhere out there

[crude fiber]

Copy the doom chain shield

[rare turret]

when are they gonna add attachments so i can take off this wack flashlight ability

[crude fiber]

Blatantly, with no changed

[crude fiber]

Haven't they dismissed adding attachments?

[proper island]

What do you all think of the laspistol?

[drowsy aspen]

Power Fist, Autocannon... Spike Pistol?

I'd probably prefer a Hand Flamer or Plasma Pistol to a spike Pistol ngl

...no wait, electro whip

Yeaaa electro whip

[drowsy aspen]

...I like it, but it's a psyker weapon in my heart

[proper island]

oh i just found out i have headhunter on my recon lasgun

should i use earn blessing option?

[crude fiber]

Is it t4 on a crappy stat roll?

[proper island]

no, its a t2

[coral willow]

should be good with itemization

[crude fiber]

Then meh, if your a completionist and don't want the weapo then sure

Wasnt there some benefit to having more blessings unlocked with the crafting change coming?

[rare turret]

probably, was originally part of the plan

[radiant chasm]

Yes, saved blessings turned into mastery

[crude fiber]

Yeah but "this isn't cod" or whatever that disaster of a community manage said

[crude fiber]

Where can I read about this? Instead of asking about every little thing about it

[rare turret]

a fun way of saying "we overextended on waht we wanted to do with the game so we cut it but refuse to acknowledge that some items are remnants of this"

[crude fiber]

Despite there being a mod for swapping parts out that came out early in release of the game. I guess the devs just have priorities elsewhere

[thin socket]

I feel like shock mauls would be fun and pretty good at what they do if power sword doesn't exist

it needs thrust three and electrify to do what power sword does in one power swing

[rare turret]

Well, honestly the game wasn't ready. The release was too soon, lest they call it early access

[thin socket]

Tell me if I'm wrong, but it feels like it just can't compete

[rare turret]

But fatshark historically does this so, no surprise

[spice wadi]

Hedge was a very interesting person

[drowsy aspen]

Nothing can. Shock Maul is still pretty good.

Like- is any melee weapon better than the Power Sword?

The best Ogryn and zealot melees can more or less match up

But PS feels crazy

[placid portal]

Go figure when the powersword is a relic weapon

Though this version we use is an inferior version of the powerswords of the ones higher rank use or similiar?

[rare turret]

Knives and crusher come real close to power sword

[radiant chasm]

There is no exact numbers currently, just read the 2 blogs, you spend mastery to unlock specific blessings starting at t1 then up the tiers

[rare turret]

^ this Is the fun part

[placid portal]

Knives would out do powerswords vs crushers when it starts rolling Uncanny stacks

[rare turret]

Trying to make heads or tails out of this game without consulting players

[radiant chasm]

I mean it’s not in the fragging game yet

And it’s subject to change

[rare turret]

Uncanny and what, flesh tearer? That combination deletes things

The crusher bullies most things which is where it's strong parts work

It's such a fun weapon to play too

[radiant chasm]

Anyways weapon customization mod is not indicative of progress on weapon customization as a real system

[rare turret]

Feels like it can do everything

[radiant chasm]

It was heavily bugfixed and touched up to work as a cosmetic, clientside mod.

[rare turret]

No that mod is just for fun, I just wanna replace my flashlight with a bayonet, that would be neat

[placid portal]

Uncanny + Precognition proc makes face stabbing insane

[rare turret]

Yeah precog is better for non bleed builds

[radiant chasm]

It has no work done on part acquisition, balance between weapons for # of possible modifications

[radiant chasm]

Non bleed> bleed that’s the issue

[rare turret]

Bleed so gooood tho

[radiant chasm]

Riposte, precog, and even executor on the mk6 beat it out

Bleed feels good it isn’t statistically good

[rare turret]

Based on what metrics xD half of what we're saying is based off anecdote

[placid portal]

If bleed was like eldenring bleed proc it'd be hilarious

[radiant chasm]

It’s just cause of how dots interact with the game world, the constant ticks means it killsteals a lot and makes it seem better

[radiant chasm]

Why dont you hold your horses

[rare turret]

Stop yelling at me

[radiant chasm]

#zealot-class message

[rare turret]

I'm sensitive

[rare turret]

Sometimes I want a ferret but they are toddlers. I don't want to childproof my house

[radiant chasm]

They are worse, little houdinis

[crude fiber]

Just take serrated blade, uncanny and mercy killer

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-running-away-running-escape-animal-gif-14844387

[rare turret]

That all make sense I suppose. I'm still over flesh tearer and uncanny, cuz of the rending bit

[radiant chasm]

For vet it def works great for consistency

[rare turret]

10 bleed stacks is brutal

[crude fiber]

I mean bleeding a crusher at max uncanny stacks is funny but not reliable imo

[radiant chasm]

It’s slower than just using heavies and/or push attack

Especially when said attacks are boosted by big buffs like precog

[crude fiber]

Flesh tearer is the on crit one right?

[radiant chasm]

Yea

If you are deadset on bleed flesh tearer is >>>> lacerate

[rare turret]

Lacerate plays counter to what the knife does

[radiant chasm]

2 crits and you are fully stacks, lacerate simply doesn’t make up for the fact you are giving up knife’s massive finesse ratios

[crude fiber]

Ok, if you were running uncanny and lacerate I'd laugh

[radiant chasm]

Come down to zealot chat every week

Where we have the same discussion