veteran-class

[somber axle]

I KNEW I WAS FORGETTING SOMETHING!

yea it needs pinning fire at max stacks

[marble mantle]

This is so insanely wild lmfao

[carmine cradle]

for max damage you also need stopping power at 80
so thats 3 stats they are going to want max rolls on
reload speed, damage and stopping power
they probably wont care as much about mobility and range, but still

[spice wadi]

i go big dam stat because there's a limit to how much time im willing to spend in the psykhanium checking if a man dies in 2 bullets or 3 bullets

[carmine cradle]

even casual players are going to have reasons they want specific stat spreads

[somber axle]

It also means that to get 5 pinning fire stacks you have to fire off one shot into a horde before firing a shot into a Bulwark or it doesn't stagger break the Bulwark through their shield

[terse idol]

https://youtu.be/8GIThMs6YM0?si=-7qQ5VhFMxhOBdZc

[somber axle]

meaning that it still takes 2 shots minimum LMFAO

[terse idol]

Which again

[somber axle]

but if you use a Boltgun with Exe Stance you can just hip fire the 2 shot burst and it will always stagger break a Bulwark through their shield

[terse idol]

Much higher chances

[somber axle]

reaching the 1 shot stagger breakpoint is just harder

[terse idol]

And if you're talking about the casual player

they will hit the this is enough

[somber axle]

if I didn't have a crippling fear of being seen and known publicly I would probably be either a clown or a vtuber clown

[carmine cradle]

the absolute EASIEST way to achieve this while still retaining SOME amount of randomness would be let the blue numbers on weapons total ~390
but still cap the total of yellow numbers at 380 total when upgraded

[terse idol]

What if

[carmine cradle]

so youve got 10 points of wiggle room distributed on the weapon

[terse idol]

Putting on the clown makeup was the ability not to be seen but to be seen as your persona

Your clownsona

Even

[last parcel]

what if you make a meat puppet and use that as the vtuber controller

[faint beacon]

This is a word that I have now seen at this exact moment

[last parcel]

so anyone who doxxes the vtuber just finds the meat puppet

[terse idol]

Something something there is now overlap between furries and clowns

[somber axle]

the internet would discover who I am and where I live within 5 minutes LMFAO

there's no hiding once you go public

[last parcel]

here comes the knot

[somber axle]

people are insane and will find you

[last parcel]

honk honk

[terse idol]

At best you could finish clown school and get your clown egg

[faint beacon]

I say this from experience you’re literally right

[somber axle]

I could do a movie series with the puppet too!

https://tenor.com/view/im-here-jigsaw-saw7-saw3d-coming-gif-21902171

"Hey stream. Want to play a game?"
boots up fortnite

[last parcel]

imagine not streaming sex with stalin 😂

[terse idol]

We're clown guys!
Of course we force an audience of 10,000 people to watch me play fortnite on the threat of DEATH

[faint beacon]

“Chat do you see this?” Actively throwing the game and acting like everything is fine

[terse idol]

[faint beacon]

But again going off what sneaky said it’s honestly scary how quickly people can dig up your personal information if they’re that committed to trying to find out who you are

Internet is a scary place

[somber axle]

Yeah and people would clip me doing embarrassing things and then make memes out of them

Being a streamer/youtuber/vtuber sounds like you just sorta accept that the world will know you to a weird degree

one of my friends already compiles weird out of context quotes that make me sound stupid

and I can't handle something like that being more public LMFAO

[last parcel]

be a twitch streamer and accidentally show your address while ordering doordash

[faint beacon]

I strive for shit like this, make actual incoherent sounds

[terse idol]

At best you probably just make bank and then hopefully be able to slide away

Ironmouse making the moni

[faint beacon]

Play horror games

[vast edge]

I have played Outlast twice.

[slate hawk]

[slate hawk]

pat pats the precious bold

[somber axle]

I don't scare easily LOL

[faint beacon]

I just make really dumb noises

[somber axle]

Watching me play a horror game would just be boring as I mock the ghost/monster and then get killed anyway

[faint beacon]

Literally I kid you not first match of Outlast trials I threw a bottle at gooseberry and screamed “GET AWAY YOU CRACKHEAD”

[somber axle]

Once while visiting a friend in Canada they brought out their VR headset and we all started watching them play a horror game. They got really scared and swapped the headset to others. It slowly went around our friend group until they all reached a point they were scared to play and no one would touch it. I warned them that I have no sense of self preservation. I will get us to progress but I will probably also die. They gave me the headset anyway and I walked into the dark without fear, solved the puzzles and eventually walked somewhere I shouldn't have into instant death LOL

[faint beacon]

You’re reminding me

[slate hawk]

Watching Bricky play mortuary assistant was very funny

[faint beacon]

I need to play Amnesia: The Bunker

I have it I just need to play it

[somber axle]

I played that with friends and we immediately turned the chase moments into clown shenanigans because I discovered that the hostile A.I. is really bad about pathing to you around corners so I led them on a funny chase and mocked them constantly around a car

and let my friends casually do objectives and leave

[last parcel]

banished to the backlogs

[terse idol]

[carmine cradle]

look, @terse idol, my point is this
nodody is negatively impacted by more build control
some people are positively impacted by more build control
therefore, more build control is good

[faint beacon]

Look I found enjoyment in grabbing items and throwing them at the Prime subjects

My favorite moment had to be throwing a brick at a random side NPC and it proceeded to chase my friend and beat the shit out of him yet I was the one who threw the brick

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[somber axle]

you cast the most ancient spell

[hard cave]

the mark 6 energy sword makes me feel pawsum

[faint beacon]

When im home I’ll find that clip

I don’t take horror games seriously when I’m with friends

When I’m alone I lock the fuck in lmao

[somber axle]

Darktide could have been a horror game

it has horror elements but it's not scary enough

[faint beacon]

It is! With the power-outage modifier

[somber axle]

give us a harder difficulty and make it SCARIER

[vast edge]

Played Bunker not long after my Outlast playthrough too.

[slate hawk]

The weapon system needs LESS randomness

[somber axle]

I want High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet Lights Out on a difficulty above Auric Damnation

add in Maelstrom modifiers too

make the game silly levels of hard and turn it into horror

[hard cave]

Its as much of a horror game as l4d2 is a horror game

Its really hard to make a horror game where you have the capability of defending yourself, well, horrifying

[somber axle]

Left 4 Dead wasn't really scary but some of the sound design and environmental design was very good for horror elements

Especially Dead Rain

[carmine cradle]

you missed a SHITLOAD of context friend
i was arguing with someone, who for some reason, wants randomness

[hard cave]

it primarily comes down to a user by user experience, since re2 hard more is terrifying, but not for the same reason why outlast is a horror game

[somber axle]

Dead Space

Dead Space is my fav survival horror game of all time

The horror experience of a first time playthrough with Dead Space 1 and 2 is unmatched by any game I have played before and since

[hard cave]

def, the horror aspects primarily comes from the limited ammo supply, cramp corridors, and the survival horror elements

something like that could be done in darktide as like "moebian 21st first skirimish" or "lost recon squad"

[somber axle]

I want a solo mode. You could make it into something that more closely resembles a horror game if you did a Left 4 Dead single player no bots experience

[slate hawk]

And with new game plus playthrough it becomes silly pew pew :3

[hard cave]

darktide is kinda too arcadey to fully capitalize the grotesque enemy designs and loathsome level art directon

[somber axle]

The only thing I learned about the game before I played Dead Space 1 is that a friend told me enemies that escape but don't die don't just leave. They continue to hide and wait and if you didn't kill them they WILL come back later and be a problem.

So anytime a monster appeared and skittered through a hole I was terrified

It was like seeing a spider in your room and looking away for 2 seconds and the spider is gone

But with a giant flesh monster

[hard cave]

I don't think anything is more horrifying than playing res 2 remake on hardmode than mr x opening a door infront of you

[marble mantle]

Boltgun might as well be a nerf gun, got it

[somber axle]

It sounds bad but remember that almost no gun in the game can stagger a Bulwark through their shield in any reasonable amount of ammo spent

The only other gun IN THE ENTIRE GAME that can stagger a Bulwark through their shield with one shot is the special slug on the Agripina Shotgun

[slate hawk]

:3

[marble mantle]

Oh damn yeah I guess I didn’t think of that

[somber axle]

Most guns could spend their entire mag/clip and never stagger break a Bulwark shield

[faint beacon]

Only game I recall 100%ing back when I was on XB1 was Battlefield 1

[somber axle]

You will probably never see someone casually stagger a Bulwark through their shield other than Surge staff Psykers, Agripina Shotgun users and the occasional Boltgun Exe Stance Vet

[terse idol]

Woah!

[slate hawk]

I've done a few cods too, older ones at this point

[terse idol]

I'm been playing ds1 remastered

Oh man slaps sp hard

[faint beacon]

Don’t remind me of World at War

I love the game but

My god Veteran Campaign

[terse idol]

Wait that means you also beat impossible

[somber axle]

NICE

[terse idol]

Finger guuun spotted

[slate hawk]

The %100 I have for it is a lie, because modders

[faint beacon]

The 7 million grenade indicators

[slate hawk]

I didn't have to use the cheese for the impossible run either :3

All legit

[faint beacon]

Downfall giving me an actual aneurysm

GOD I HATE THAT MISSION

[slate hawk]

Which one was that again?

[faint beacon]

The final one

That first section is actual hell

[slate hawk]

Ah right

The big open theater right?

[faint beacon]

0 cover grenade spam with an MG emplacement that will 2 shot you

Yes

[hard cave]

whats the best mace for vet

or ig the most fun to play with

[slate hawk]

Shovel

I am bias

[faint beacon]

Shock maul?

Mk3 is the most reliable

[hard cave]

I crave the trenches

teach me how to build the optimal multi purpose tool,,,

[faint beacon]

Mk7 Thrust + Uncanny

[faint beacon]

Win

[hard cave]

huh

[slate hawk]

Almost really good, Thunderstrike should be the %damage towards staggered or the %power on hit up to 10 times

But I use this one, I don't have a pic of the modified perks or blessings

[faint beacon]

You’re thinking Skullcrusher

[slate hawk]

Ye

I like it personally

[hard cave]

man,,,,

[faint beacon]

Thunder strike is more stagger

[hard cave]

I'll never figure out how to build weapons lmao

[slate hawk]

Easy access to damage

[slate hawk]

In what way?

[last parcel]

if only there was a guide in the pinned messages that is going to receive an update soon (tm)

[hard cave]

I have no clue how to build a weapons and select the skills around them lmao

[hard cave]

so far I only have a recon build I cannibalized and a uh

[faint beacon]

Never hurts to ask in here

[hard cave]

specific loadout to complete the weapon specialist penance w plasma gun

[faint beacon]

Vet chat is usually very on the stats with builds

[slate hawk]

Nah, reddit is the best place to learn how to build

[faint beacon]

If you’re doing plasma run a knife for more mobility

[slate hawk]

[faint beacon]

TRUE!

[slate hawk]

Plasma shovel for me

[hard cave]

running the uh

[somber axle]

it's mostly just taking a weapon and testing it in the Psykanium with your preferred talent loadout and then tweaking things for breakpoints tbh

[hard cave]

mark 6 power sword

[faint beacon]

Oh yeah that’s your issue if you’re getting killed

[slate hawk]

I'm addicted to the bonk

[faint beacon]

It’s good don’t get me wrong

[somber axle]

For specific stat requirements on weapons, blessing/perk recommendations, and good talent tree configurations Vet chat usually has a bunch of helpful and knowledgeable people to give advice

[faint beacon]

You’re running powerful weapons you just have 0 mobility or dodges

[hard cave]

I'm not really getting killed w the loadout, just trying to do the penance lmao

[somber axle]

but otherwise it's just throwing things at the pox infested wall to see what sticks LOL

LIKE FOR EXAMPLE

[last parcel]

behold

[somber axle]

did you know that only ONE variant of the Recons can stagger break a Bulwark through their SHIELD??

[faint beacon]

Is it lack of uptime on deploying it?

[somber axle]

only the Recon Mk VId

[faint beacon]

If that’s so do revolver with melee of choice

That’s how I did my WS penance

[slate hawk]

Ofc you'd know that lmao

[somber axle]

the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa even with exe stance and combat stim unloading their full mag into a bulwark shield can't stagger break a bulwark

BUT A RECON MK VID CAN

AND IT DOESN'T NEED EXE STANCE OR COMBAT STIM

it requires exactly 90 shots

[hard cave]

honestly there's nothing explicitly wrong with the build, but I've only ran it through heresy lmao

[somber axle]

so like half your magazine size

but if you use Exe Stance and Combat stim

you can get it down to exactly 89 shots

[hard cave]

thats some hyperfixation-tism right there

[somber axle]

Collateral is not a stat that matters

an 80% collateral stat and a 42% collateral stat on a Recon Mk VId produced the exact same result on bulwark shield stagger break

[slate hawk]

1.1% advantage let's goooo

[somber axle]

keep in mind this is also after Bulwarks had their stagger resistance buffed a while back too

very few guns in the entire game can boast that they can stagger a bulwark shield period

90 ammo to pop a Bulwark shield is very dumb though LMFAO

don't do this

it can do this but absolutely do not

[slate hawk]

I'm going to do

[faint beacon]

You’ll notice the ups and downs more especially when you run Auric Damnation, obviously 0 shame in doing heresy for penances

[slate hawk]

I do auric heresy for fun lol

[hard cave]

I think I just have shit game sense for any auric level

[lusty sapphire]

The opposite of shame. Thank you very much for not doing penances in auric damnation

[slate hawk]

Is a good time that I don't have to take tooo seriously

[faint beacon]

I mean I have 1.05k hours In the game atm, so naturally at this point Auric Damn feels relatively casual to me

[slate hawk]

I must dashboard the millisecond things don't go right lol

[faint beacon]

Maelstrom is my actual try something hard difficulty

I’ll just leave if the team is doing super terrible, already have my ASS title from ages ago

Besides I’m a firm Shift Leader Primus title user

[lusty sapphire]

Clown emoji all you want. It's annoying having people try to hyperfixate on a penance and dump the load on the rest of the team

[faint beacon]

I think he’s making fun of the people who do that

Hell I shame those who do that still lmao

[lusty sapphire]

Then my bad

[faint beacon]

TAKE YOUR L LIKE A MAN AND LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKE

[slate hawk]

Ye, I'm poking fun at those people. I mean sevotors

[hard cave]

anyone else just like see a 70 stat weapon across the board appear in their inventory and wonder how the fuck it happened

[last parcel]

THE EMPEROR DEMANDS YOU DIE STANDING

[faint beacon]

Emperors Gift

Usually what happens

Forget I even get them after completing missions

Look through my inventory and get subtle surprises

[lusty sapphire]

I will die exploding a plasma in a group of crushers and do absolutely no dmg

[faint beacon]

Poxburster Veteran build mentioned

[hard cave]

is emperor's gift a specific high tier drop or is just the name for any drop after a mission

[faint beacon]

Any drop

[lusty sapphire]

Wish we could overcook our frags

[slate hawk]

I was at 9/10 for the one title. And some dipshit aggerd a demonhost and left the same so it then trigged on me.... I was fucking enraged

[faint beacon]

Difficulty guarantees rarities

[hard cave]

nothing funnier than accidentally exploding and the orgyn wondering why the fuck you are down with 0 enemies nearby

[faint beacon]

Auric Damnation confirms Yellows

[faint beacon]

Me as a Trauma Psyker accidentally overestimating my peril

It’s hilarious seeing the Ogryn who I was juicing up on toughness with shield just whip around and stare at me like a disappointed father

[gilded rock]

Ogryn should get something that makes himself blow up too so there's synergy with the explosion radius talent

[lusty sapphire]

Same cause I don't play psyker enough so unfortunately i forget sometimes

[faint beacon]

I have my moments and I’ve gotten really damn good at Psyker

[hard cave]

your pfp made me laugh

[faint beacon]

I’ll just have those matches where I suddenly detonate cause I wanted to hurt the crusher horde more vs my own safety

The crushers will enjoy their brittleness at the cost of my life

[slate hawk]

This is the way

Ugh, the dmv is so boaring

[faint beacon]

Sometimes I have to cause our Ogryn is extremely oblivious to the Crusher getting ready to rock his shit

[slate hawk]

Being a adult sucks sometimes lmao

[last parcel]

that's what 9kg of improvised explosives are for

[slate hawk]

I am dragon

I just go monch

lol

[slate hawk]

Gotta save our precious baby boi

[faint beacon]

Firebomb your local planet fitness

[slate hawk]

Better yet, offer salad

[hard cave]

I crave to see a loyalist moebian 6th orgyn save me from the 6 crushers aggressively stomping towards me

[faint beacon]

I LOVE the loyalist set

Literally swapping between Steel Legion and Loyalist 6th like every handful of matches

[hard cave]

I just want the complete helmet and mask combo

so I actually have a reason to grind the penances

or ig grind them faster

[faint beacon]

1k hours dumped into the game and I only recently completed 4500

God it’s such a grind

It’s come to my attention this could mean more weapons

Flamer on veteran

[vast edge]

Bolter on Psyker?

[faint beacon]

Psword on Zealot

Uh oh

Lmao

[vast edge]

That'll be busted.

[slate hawk]

More Shovel?!!!

[hearty panther]

@somber axle I found ur nemesis

[somber axle]

oh don't worry that's just my brother

[crude fiber]

theyll have to let ogryns dual wield the tiny's weapons

[somber axle]

my true nemesis is big dog tiny shoes

[faint beacon]

Honestly seeing how they’re overall a good neutral

It wouldn’t hurt having shovel on all classes

I’m honestly looking forward to flamer being on Veteran tbh lmao

Allows me to be a Steel Legion Shocktrooper

[slate hawk]

Thats why I like them, feels safer to use than the develclaws

[somber axle]

Wait are they doing Flamer on Vet?

that's sounds hilarious LMFAO

[faint beacon]

If

[slate hawk]

Potential

[faint beacon]

They are

[slate hawk]

Maybe

[faint beacon]

Cause they’re opening up more families for all classes but it’s case by case

Example shotguns now on Psyker

[slate hawk]

Heh

Imagine

[faint beacon]

Kant, Agri, etc

[tame lodge]

No weakspot though

[slate hawk]

The ogryn 1H the thunder hammer lmao

The buff it finally deserves

[faint beacon]

I doubt the two handed melees will be on Vet

But I would massively fuck with running Evis on Veteran lmao

[unique orchid]

i think theyre gonna have mastery apply to all weapons regardless of class, so maxing mastery on a lasgun with vet will give max mastery to all lasguns

even so i doubt vet is gonna get a flamer, they arent built to really max value close-range weaponry the same way zealots are

[pseudo horizon]

After 244 hours in this game I switched to Kantrael XII and finally feel like a decent shot

[unique orchid]

the next step in your journey is going full send into hip-fire headshotting specials with the bistol, agile engagement my beloved

[faint beacon]

Agile Engagement on HHAs is also fucking hilarious if you’re doing a WS build

[hearty panther]

hes stompin awkwardly towards u as we speek

oh quoted the wrong chat

[somber axle]

the Auric Storm Survivor penance people always make Auric Damnation quickplay so wild LMFAO

it's always goofy running into someone trying for it

[faint beacon]

It’s either goofy or miserable

Cause I got ASS ages ago and having people drop out like flies every 3 seconds is not fun lmao

[somber axle]

Nah they just disconnect and reconnect over and over

Until Fatshark fixes the exploit people will just keep doing it

Also yes absolutely

The instant you go down it should disqualify you

Then it would at least be a title of value on people

And people would have to actually earn it

No cheese

Instead it's just an eye roll title because you know cheesing exists so it barely has any prestige

[hearty panther]

yea just look at their bulge size

thats how u know

[somber axle]

Idk I think you can see some stuff and tell a player is skilled before they enter a match

for pre-game lobby stuff

like if I see them with the secret hard mode twins damnation frame

they're probably good

[hearty panther]

no dont look at my wallet ;_;

[somber axle]

otherwise it's just a big toss up because cosmetics don't really matter for telling how well a player will perform

but idc about that stuff really

I'm just annoyed at leavers

and a penance that encourages them to leave

[hearty panther]

lmao

yea it is a team effort after all

if the dude never says a word but GG

theyre good

[idle swallow]

getting the secret hard mode done in a pub was probably the wildest moment I've had in this game

slot machine jackpot

[somber axle]

yeah so it's not 100% foolproof to know if someone did it legitimately or got carried but it's at least something a bit rarer to see

it's not like someone can exploit their way into having it

they either have to be good or have someone willing to carry them

[hearty panther]

i still don't have ASS tbh

havent really been fucked

[somber axle]

I got ASS entirely accidentally just queueing normally into Aurics a while ago

[hearty panther]

i want archivum sage but sycorax skull is such a PiTA with pubs

[somber axle]

it was probably just luck of the draw too tbh

[hearty panther]

its just out of reach

forever

[faint beacon]

I still haven’t done Hard mode+ with the twins mainly cause no one really wants to attempt it

I don’t mind doing it

It’s come to my attention Pickaxe Ogryn unironically might make it way fucking easier as well

I should eventually do it just to have it

Yeah I recall Glugger is insane for the DPS

It’s always nice to have a Shield Ogryn as well so they have Ridna focusing them while the rest kill Rodin

[tame lodge]

Saw a stealth zealot with flamer yesterday

They would go invisible

Get some distance

[marble mantle]

Home from work

[tame lodge]

Then use flamer

Pretty decent, too bad I wasn't running hard mode loadout

[hearty panther]

bacon purifier

[faint beacon]

I’ll probably have to get a team here later, could possibly tonight or tomorrow but I’m willing to play Ogryn or Veteran seeing even though I did Karnak twins when I was around probably 300 hours I’ve drastically improved since

[tall torrent]

[somber axle]

LMFAO but wait why is my non-clown pfp showing

did Discord break again

Pomni is gone??

where is my tired clown

[shadow aurora]

I see it

[faint beacon]

We’re calling it ASS from now on

I’m dying on that hill

[shadow aurora]

I thought we always called it ass?

[last parcel]

it fucks up on mobile sometimes

[unique orchid]

it has always been called ASS

[somber axle]

discord mobile making me less sneaky

[faint beacon]

Fair, people who’ve ran it usually make that name a bit on key

[wanton dawn]

There is a lot of ASS running around lately

Doesn't make them quit less though

[shadow aurora]

People are beginning to figure out they can cheese it by leaving

So more and more people are getting it

[wanton dawn]

People had it figured out day 1 though

[shadow aurora]

Information does not spread instantly young grasshopper

[somber axle]

I think it's just more players coming back

returning players very rusty at the game + new players trying it out

fall head first into the deep end of Auric Damnation, get squashed repeatedly and learn they can just cheese by leaving and rejoining

[wanton dawn]

To be fair, some people are not great even if they never stop playing

[somber axle]

the penance battlepass update made more leavers but the Secrets of the Machine God update brought more people back to play because of the new weapons

[somber axle]

everyone sorta has the difficulty they're most comfy in and it's not really the average long-time player that likes to fall headfirst into content they're not ready for leaving since this wasn't an issue pre-penance system

Heresy heroes stick to heresy

[wanton dawn]

I dont mind ppl dipping into higher diff

[somber axle]

I think generally long time players just stick to the difficulty they enjoy most

whether that's Malice, Heresy, Standard Damnation or Aurics

it only becomes a tricky thing when returning players hop back in and dive into the deep end without shaking off the rust with practice, or a new player seeing the higher rewards for tougher difficulty content and throw themselves in expecting to get the better payouts

oh and also people chasing ASS LMFAO

[dreamy spade]

should I replace yellow with red (im playing revolver rashad)

with no stam perks

[hearty panther]

no

you should replace a lot of things there

[wanton dawn]

You are overcommitted right

[hearty panther]

skirmisher isnt needed

exploit weakness also pretty meh

[somber axle]

you probably do not need the brittleness talent there

[hearty panther]

i dont even know what that bottom middle purple node is but you probably dont need that either

[somber axle]

skirmisher is also not really that big of a deal

[hearty panther]

anyway you have a bunch of points you can free up

[somber axle]

20% toughness regen when swapping and activating weapon specialist

[hearty panther]

oh meh

[somber axle]

3 sec CD on it too

[dreamy spade]

ik its not as effective as others but it works on my build

i basically have 2 talent points idk where to put

[wanton dawn]

Don't let az see your revolver rashad build though

[somber axle]

what does the rest of your talent tree look like?

[dreamy spade]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c021f02-c74b-457d-8c2a-2ab9944d4c68/rat-3?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

sometimes i run out of stamina

[somber axle]

the big things I noticed are no tactical awareness or iron will

the CD reduction on tactical awareness would help you immensely for better uptime on infiltrate whenever you need it

iron will is just a general survivability boost that's very strong

[faint beacon]

Iron will just helps a shit ton with staying alive

You feel like a psyker without it tbh

But if your good at the game you can get away with not using it

[wanton dawn]

That's what someone who is not good at the game would say though

[dreamy spade]

does movement speed increase dodge speed and slide speed?

[wanton dawn]

slide probably, dodge probably not

My "standard" for revolver/rashad would look like this. Last point usually goes in 10% rending

Granted, I am more of a ps6 guys

But I do enjoy the increased dodge distance

[dreamy spade]

im not gonna go red, the problem with purple is the suppresion boost is a waste talent with revolver

[carmine cradle]

you know, the worst part about the upcoming update is how much rng will still be involved

[somber axle]

it's not really about the suppression talent but more about tactical awareness tbh

6 sec CD reduction on every special kill is insanely good

[wanton dawn]

You say that but you take twin and the stamina refill on thoughness break

[forest maple]

do i see twinned grenades? 🤢

[faint beacon]

There’s going to be RNG just less of it

[carmine cradle]

the more i reread and analyze, the more i realize
its still gonna be pain

[dreamy spade]

I dont need it really, i never find I need an infiltrate when i dont have one

[wanton dawn]

In any case, you do you

Just don't let az see it

[forest maple]

Looks to be promising as far as todays dev blog goes. I'm very scared for the blessing rebalances though.

[somber axle]

I would swap your tree like this

[carmine cradle]

if im understanding this correctly
each blessing you change costs points
each perk you change ALSO costs points, the same type of points

are we on the same page so far?

[dreamy spade]

not taking recip is a crime

[somber axle]

so you get Tactical Awareness, Iron Will and you're only losing out on twinned blast and get back in the fight

you can take recip instead I just value close quarters kill zone more

[wanton dawn]

recip is the crit one ?

[somber axle]

you also get one of the stam regen delay nodes this way

recip is crit on dodge yeah

[carmine cradle]

although.... i dont recall exatly how to get those points...

[forest maple]

They said that its still under development. I just hope that weapons above a certain base rating like 370 have the capacity to go all 4 Tier 4's.

[carmine cradle]

thats... the hope

[wanton dawn]

Meh, I don't value recip at all

[carmine cradle]

hang on gonna go reread the PREVIOUS devlog

[somber axle]

the crit is nice in theory but maintaining the buff and keeping stacks high sounds like a lot of juggling

[wanton dawn]

Technically the only reason I play crit is because of over-inflated blessing numbers

[somber axle]

you're probably looking at 2-3 stacks more often than not

[dreamy spade]

still free crits

[forest maple]

The dodge one? Sometimes it doesn't count a dodge if you dodge too far away. Its pretty finicky so i avoid it

[wanton dawn]

Member when surgical was 2% a stack ?

[dreamy spade]

I have all the nade talents so maybe grenadier

[carmine cradle]

"While we were planning this itemization rework, there were a lot of discussions around this topic. Creating an entirely new resource is a bit easier for balancing, but we don’t want to start a new grind for players. We wanted to have a system which respects players’ time. As such, we decided to keep plasteel and diamantine steel as the resources for changing weapons, but we worked on balancing.

We wanted to give a new life to diamantine. As diamantine is a resource introduced at a higher level of game play, it is also the required resource for achieving higher levels of Expertise on a weapon."

ah, i see
INCREDIBLY FUCKING VAGUE

[forest maple]

do not take grenadier lol

or twinned nades

[carmine cradle]

noteably, the OLD screenshots so a cap of 100 of the "points"
the newer screenshots show a cap of 82

[forest maple]

please

[carmine cradle]

which is weird

[wanton dawn]

In any case, reciprocity being so unreliable on ranged makes it very meh in practice

rashad does not want to rely on crit

[carmine cradle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[forest maple]

Just try to forget about it until a few weeks before release. They will have it ready and fully explained by then

[carmine cradle]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[carmine cradle]

yes, but

[forest maple]

No reason to freak out now

[wanton dawn]

Sir, this is vet chat

[carmine cradle]

in my defence, general chat is FUCKED

vet players tend to be... the least insane

[wanton dawn]

In your defense, general chat won't accept image

[carmine cradle]

that too

[wanton dawn]

Everytime I read that vet chat is the least unhinged I chuckle inside

Vet chan is never far away people

[faint beacon]

Honestly out of the chats

[carmine cradle]

well, the blue numbers didnt eist in the first run of screenshots

so that was ADDED

[faint beacon]

Vet chat is the closest to being unhinged

[carmine cradle]

they added more randomization

from their initial show

pain

[faint beacon]

Zealot chat just beats it lmao

Psyker and Ogryn are the most chill from what I’ve seen

[somber axle]

grenadier is the better option above infiltrate imo

leave no one behind is very eh

[wanton dawn]

There was a time not so long ago when EVERY time I looked at zealot chat someone was referencing degeneracy of some kind

[carmine cradle]

true... but like to the point where i dont want to ruin their chat

[forest maple]

i still pick leave no one behind

[pseudo horizon]

🖐️ I have a question why is smoke grenade on the right instead of the left

[faint beacon]

Good if you actually care about reving teammates

[carmine cradle]

vet players are fine, theyve got plasma gun psword, everything else is irrelevant

[somber axle]

it's not really changing anything

the time difference is so minor

[faint beacon]

As a high hour player you should feel morally obligated to have your ego higher up than that pathetic teammate who got screwed over

[pseudo horizon]

Like from my experience it goes nuts with Executioner's Stance because you can see through the smoke whereas it doesn't work with Stealth all that well

[somber axle]

just underhand lob a grenade on approach to clear the area around someone while reviving or use infiltrate to get off the revive safely

[forest maple]

1 max grenade is terrible if you can manage throwing atleast 1 grenade before it regens

[wanton dawn]

Well, smoke despite not being right had to be put on what was left

[somber axle]

the extra speed is very rarely ever going to make or break a revive

[carmine cradle]

im a "no dwarf left behind" kind of gamer

[faint beacon]

Curios with revive player speed though make it really fucking funny imo

[carmine cradle]

if i CAN get someone out, i will

[faint beacon]

I’m very sarcastic when saying that

[somber axle]

they really do LMFAO it's just kinda goofy and doesn't do nearly as much as it sounds like it does

and the extra grenade in reserve will be more useful more often

[faint beacon]

I literally stall matches

On escape

To save the Psyker

Who got fucked over

[somber axle]

with 4 shredders you can drop 2 grenades to deal with mixed packs twice without needing to think about any grenade regen

with one less reserve you're sitting on 1 nade after dropping 2 and have to wait 1 min or for a demo team proc to get a second nade

single shredder drops are pretty weak

at that point you're really just using it for the big stagger

tinkerer + one shredder is enough damage to bleed out poxwalkers caught closer to the center radius

that's it tho

and it's not going to have much of a change on ragers, maulers, etc.

it's really just buying space/time for a brief moment on single drop

[forest maple]

i'll do you one better for leave no one behind. Not only do you get stun immunity and movespeed, you also revive them with a 33% damage reduction buff for 5 seconds. can revive in fire maybe? No insta revive death maybe?

[somber axle]

don't revive in fire ever LOL

that's literally the worst thing you can do

[carmine cradle]

"DISCLAIMER: The following images are NOT representative of the final UI / work for Itemization. They are meant to illustrate the different potential stat distributions of a maxed out weapon (the darker grey number)."

i should read more carefully

this might mean they only represent what could theoretically be done on those weapons, but in that case id wish theyd shown us a few different possibilities on a singular weapon, instead of showing it on multiple of a weapon

[somber axle]

wait out the fire

kill the bomber/flamer

[forest maple]

but its spicy

[somber axle]

revive when it's safer

the TDR on revive explicitly to make reviving someone in fire less dumb isn't really a good idea

reviving someone into fire is a last resort if they're about to die and have no timer left

you should never, ever, EVER revive someone in fire if you can help it

[carmine cradle]

im still concerned about the dreaded gear icon in the bottom right tho

[forest maple]

its not toughness reduction, its ALL damage reduction

[somber axle]

that doesn't make reviving into fire better LOL

[forest maple]

worked a few times recently 😄

[somber axle]

even despite all the bits in leave no one behind it's still generally less useful for play imo compared to having one extra grenade

[forest maple]

spicy ground cant hurt you

[somber axle]

you can make more plays proactively and reactively with the extra grenade

the only play you can make with leave no one behind is being slightly better at reviving

the speed to revive barely changes the time to rescue

[last parcel]

i take leave no one behind so i can leave people downed to give me more zoom

[somber axle]

the damage reduction is very short lived and is really only helping if you're reviving them into a sniper shot (bad), into a crusher or mauler overhead (very bad), or into fire (incredibly bad)

[last parcel]

they will bleed while i speed

[somber axle]

you should always revive someone as safely as possible and not into more damage the instant they're on their feet

[forest maple]

or just you need to revive them asap because shit is hitting the fan and people sometimes choke when getting up near to hordes and the damage reduction can somewhat mitigate it? I'm not saying its 100% the better choice, but its what i pick because i find grenadier a total waste if you have nade regen.

[somber axle]

the timer to rescue is actually really, really long

you have time to deal with problems before forcing a revive

[forest maple]

no you dont?

[somber axle]

especially if you have grenades to make space or infiltrate to simply walk over ignored and revive

[forest maple]

in auric maelstorm atleast

[somber axle]

yeah also in auric maelstroms it's a very weak talent node

the benefit is incredibly minor

I would always want the extra grenade on any build if I'm running Infiltrate unless I'm doing a meme with all revive speed perks on curios just to be funny

there are just too many other ways to safely rescue someone whether you're using a grenade to make space, infiltrate to stealth revive, voice of command to push things and give yourself and the team gold toughness during a revive, or also just killing the flamer/bomber/whatever killed them before reviving

[tall torrent]

It’s the max gear rating of blessing & perk
6+3+15+38 = 62

[somber axle]

and the extra grenade can also mean the difference between having a tool to make a revive, or not having it at all and getting toughness broken and stunned out of the revive by the horde of poxwalkers/ragers/maulers/etc.

[forest maple]

were talking infiltrate vet so you dont have access to voc

[somber axle]

underhand lobbing a grenade to stagger/kill things around someone down is way more useful imo

[somber axle]

ok but what if they go down next to a barrel?

hit barrel, time revive so it pops the instant they're up

we fly together

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-fall-slow-thecommunity-electricboogaloo-gif-9333878510385657557

[somber axle]

you can still reach across from VoC to get Grenadier or Leave No One Behind and in that moment with a 2 point tax I'd rather have grenadier to offset Kraks being only 2 reserve max into 3 kraks for a bonus boss stagger/damage pop, or having the extra shredder to make it a nice comfy 4

and like if you're infiltrate you could also just infiltrate and revive

[carmine cradle]

yes
im concerned that its too low

[somber axle]

especially with overwatch giving you an extra charge in reserve

[forest maple]

What would you rather have when you are at your lowest, grenade ui icon shows "0" and you are barely scraping by, with an inch of your life. Leave no one behind or grenadier?

I'm joking. We agree to disagree

[idle pecan]

Does invis work for resing people

[forest maple]

it does

[somber axle]

that's the thing though: if you're grenadier you'll have that extra grenade to be at 0 less often

[idle pecan]

Is vet invis as viable as zealot invis

[somber axle]

so you have the scenario where you have 1 grenade instead of 0

in that moment I would be happier that I picked grenadier knowing I wouldn't have a grenade for a clutch moment

[midnight totem]

There was a psyker i was trying to revive. Had to cancel for a trapper

Dog was behind that trapper. Then a flamer and poxburster. Then a gas bomber and a mutie

[somber axle]

if I needed a grenade and had it, that's more important to me than being able to rez because if someone's down and things are getting chaotic is better to be able to stabilize the situation as soon as possible and an extra grenade helps that more often

[midnight totem]

Me: LEMME PICK HIM UP

[somber axle]

AI director says no LMFAO

[forest maple]

None of my non-infiltrate builds even have the notion of reaching out to take grenadier or leave no one behind so its pretty moot to me. I'm just forced to choose between them for infil. Where do you get the points to pick either for a voc build? You're missing out on better stuff!

[somber axle]

I always try to get grenadier with kraks tbh

[tame lodge]

Yes

[somber axle]

2 kraks feels so awkward to play around

[midnight totem]

I can get grenades in my infiltrate build, but I usually get faster revive instead

[forest maple]

im a shredder stan for all builds except infil where i take smoke

[last parcel]

reviving someone while in stealth but someone dodges a mutant and it grabs you

[forest maple]

krak can go krak itself

[somber axle]

I like all the grenades but for ranged heavy left tree builds I find I use shredders less often vs smokes or kraks

[midnight totem]

My dedicated grenades build is ridiculous fun though

[somber axle]

I have loved the visceral feeling of saving someone from a Daemonhost by timing my kraks and alternating between ranged/melee and tossing kraks for the stagger to stunlock them

[forest maple]

taking smoke nades on a left-leaning build makes you lose out atleast 2-3 nodes to reach left again which sucks

[somber axle]

plus kraks can trivialize boss encounters and help deal with crusher pain trains LOL

8 crushers clipping into each other

[forest maple]

im not denying kraks do work

[somber axle]

1 krak to save time and effort

[forest maple]

and are fun as hell

[somber axle]

Krieg Grenadier Talent Tree...

[midnight totem]

I toss shredder frags roughly every 30 seconds

And one in five doubles up

[somber axle]

I love mulching hordes with melee

Weapon Specialist Trench Fighter Drill Chainsword light spam my beloved

or all that but instead Rashad

Shredders come out when Ragertide begins

[midnight totem]

Anyway, I still hope for the following class only weapons

Power fist for vets

Sword and storm shield for zealot

[somber axle]

Shield would be fun on Zealot

I want the Longlas

Maybe one day I can play a funny Infiltrate Longlas Vet

[midnight totem]

Tanith 1st and Only cosplay

[hollow warren]

need some opinions on this

[midnight totem]

Passable

[last parcel]

i spit on death tfu tfu

[hollow warren]

I know Infernus or whatever the burn blessing is called would be better

but it was either that and keep a t1 blessing

[azure raven]

what would the best blessings be to have on a combat knife for an infiltrator vet?

[hollow warren]

uncanny strike for sure

[forest maple]

make sure to take serrated blade talent

[hollow warren]

and probably Riposte

[forest maple]

and go uncanny and weak spot damage on bleed

[somber axle]

Dum Dum would be best but Deathspitter is ok

[azure raven]

https://i.gyazo.com/8e225dfae84c72b8d27540c9d332417e.png

[forest maple]

mercy killer

[somber axle]

It's solid

[azure raven]

this is what I'm rocking right now

[somber axle]

Uncanny + your choice of

Precog/Riposte/Mercy Killer/Executor

[hollow warren]

first target should not be a dump stat though

[somber axle]

Mercy Killer would need Serrated Blade talent to work but is pretty strong

Executor is my personal fav

[last parcel]

note that exectuor is only good on mk vi

[midnight totem]

Or haymaker for memes

[hollow warren]

here's mine as an example, though the perks aren't ideal

[azure raven]

cool, I'll keep an eye out for that one.

[azure raven]

yeah but I can't control those stats unfortunately so I go with what I'm given

[somber axle]

Uncanny is the mandatory one

[azure raven]

well that one came installed rank IV so I lucked out there

[idle pecan]

Would be better with unyielding over maniac, and dumdum/Infernus over deathspitter

Overall not bad tho

[hollow warren]

yeah, headhunter+infernus would be sublime

can change maniac to uny

[idle pecan]

No reason for maniac since no breakpoints get met

Just do more boss dps

Recon guns are insane at boss dps

Istg

[forest maple]

i just go flak+ crit on Vld

[somber axle]

Flak + Maniac or Crit is the best combo imo

Unless you are like me and enjoy lighting Crushers on fire

[hollow warren]

I also have this

[somber axle]

Carapace, the forbidden Recon Mk VId perk...

[hollow warren]

but I kinda like the Mk VId more

[somber axle]

HEY DID YOU KNOW

The Recon Mk VId is the ONLY Recon that can stagger a Bulwark by shooting them through their shield??

[hollow warren]

[somber axle]

And it doesn't need Exe Stance or Combat Stim!

It just requires

90 shots!

[gilded rock]

I think if you do the knife punch on a flak rager you should take health damage

[hollow warren]

lol

[gilded rock]

[somber axle]

If you are ok spending half your mag you can stagger a Bulwark through their shield

But do not do this LMFAO

[hollow warren]

they are quite spiky

[gilded rock]

And if you punch a BoN you take corruption damage

[midnight totem]

I have serrated fists

I punch a bon and it bleeds

[faint beacon]

Spiked brass knuckles

[last parcel]

real hood varlet shit

[gilded rock]

BoN has mouths on its skin, bro might just gulp your fist instead

[midnight totem]

Eh. The emperor protects

[hollow warren]

I just used the Mk II in the Psykhanium. I had to dump the entire 106 shots I had until the bulwark broke guard

[gilded rock]

"The emperor protects" mfs after having forty gallons of puke spewed on them

[somber axle]

Record it because I do not believe you. I had a Recon Mk II with 80% collateral, Exe Stance and Combat Stim firing the entire mag into a Bulwark for clown science testing and it could not do it

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/emense-pain-cat-shower-cat-bath-wet-cat-sopping-wet-cat-gif-15441083058562632917

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VIIa also failed to stagger a Bulwark through their shield in the same test

[azure raven]

which chainaxe has the better melee combo for hordes? XII or IV?

appreciate the help!

[gilded rock]

Maybe a zealot could reach better staggers with hammer of faith talent

[midnight totem]

Neither

[azure raven]

damn lmao

[midnight totem]

It's, really hard to say whether the heavies on the first chainaxe or the repeated lights on the second chainaxe is better for horde

Because they're all still relatively slow swings

[somber axle]

Zealots can't use Recons

[gilded rock]

I thought the heavies got the chains stuck on stuff

[tame lodge]

Sort of related
Braced Graia can open a Bulwark
And Ciag will basically use all the mag iirc

[last parcel]

yes on xii, no on iv

[gilded rock]

I could've sworn they had access, explains why I've never seen one though ig

[azure raven]

yeahhh. I get it's not a good weapon by any means but I'm making variety builds to try various weapons, see if I can find a way to make them work

[gilded rock]

HOWEVER

COME ITEMIZATION UPDATE

Zealots gonna have recons

[midnight totem]

No

I deny this

[somber axle]

Just Vets and Psykers for now but the recent dev blog mentioned unlocking weapons across classes and used all Shotgun variants as an example being unlocked to the Vet, Psyker, Zealot trio so maybe Recons are also slated to enter the Vet ararsenal?

[midnight totem]

Keep those filthy fanatics away from our recons

[somber axle]

Give Psykers Boltgun

[last parcel]

ogryn needs 4 VId's taped together

[tame lodge]

Anti air looking ahh

[midnight totem]

You know what I'd give ogryns?

[last parcel]

your cock?

[hollow warren]

idk how but I pulled it off once. now when I try to record it, I have to reload and dump another 40-50 rounds before his guard breaks

[midnight totem]

Why are you this way backup

[terse idol]

Keep it PG18 for the love of godh

[somber axle]

The stagger threshold is too high to stagger a fresh Bulwark through a shield with a single mag of the Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa even with extra buffs to impact damage so the first try may have been to an Ogryn somewhat damaged

[midnight totem]

Anyway. I'd give ogryns a dedicated heavy ranged weapon option. Sacrifice their ranged weapon, can't do ammo pickups except from ammo crates

[gilded rock]

The official statement is uhh maybe? They say some but not all. But I mean if psykers are getting shotguns, I don't see why zealots couldn't get recons

[somber axle]

Give Ogryns Laspistols

[gilded rock]

Never tried a ranged zealot build, I forget what all that actually brings to the table

[somber axle]

They fire it by slapping the gun

[gilded rock]

Yeah I saw "all classes" instead of all human classes

[tame lodge]

Pain and suffering

[gilded rock]

Ogryn with dual wield thunder hammers when

[midnight totem]

Ogryns get a shotgun

[somber axle]

Isn't that the Kickback

[gilded rock]

They are forced to fire both barrels at once all the time
It is just a worse kickback

[midnight totem]

It's two lawbringers ducttapped to a kickback

[hollow warren]

then idk what kinda voodoo that was. I went to the meat grinder, picked up my Mk II with 79% collateral and just magdumped into a bulwark and after around 100-103 rounds he broke guard

can't replicate that for the life of me

[faint beacon]

Hello yes shartshark can we let Ogryn have a small shield for the sole purpose of having a parry mechanic

Thanks

[gilded rock]

Sounds like my thing, I ought to try it when I get home tonight 😈

[somber axle]

Might be a bug or something because the other two Recon variants can't take a healthy Bulwark from 100% stagger HP to 0% and break their guard normally

[tame lodge]

Ogryn sized buckler

[gilded rock]

The ogryns weapon swapping after a parry to a small knife that does 10x damage on riposte somehow:

[somber axle]

Maybe on lower difficulties?

[midnight totem]

Ogrynfu

[faint beacon]

One of the commonly used Bullgryn images literally has them using a small shield

[tame lodge]

No need to hit me up when you realize that the ranged buffs are scattered around the talent tree

[midnight totem]

Like Kung fu panda, but ogryn

[faint beacon]

Like ffs give it to them

[gilded rock]

It's funny that zealot has talents that attempt to emulate a tiny bit of vet

What is the point

[tame lodge]

Dunno

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-seth-rogen-james-franco-north-korea-television-gif-4185017

[tame lodge]

You should seek
Voice of Terra
Duelist
Dance of Death
Ambuscade
Anoint in Blood
Sainted Gunslinger
Piety
IJ
Enduring Faith

Even Shroudfield

Of course you should pick them accordingly

Yadda yadda point tax and whatever

[gilded rock]

fanum tax mentioned

[median badge]

Convinced “on overwatch” is the hardest penance

[faint beacon]

Brainrot incarnate

[faint beacon]

It’s really difficult, had my friend actually bodyguard me the entire time doing it seeing he was running shield Ogryn with taunt

I’d purposely sit back and snipe

[tame lodge]

Did they have the Bodyguard personality?

[faint beacon]

Yes

[tame lodge]

Now that's beautiful

[faint beacon]

AgaBogus his Ogryn is in fact the Bodyguard personality

[median badge]

I thought I could at least take toughness damage, but I found out after only taking toughness damage. This last mission that you genuinely cannot get touched.

[faint beacon]

Yeah no any melee damage no

You can get shot

Get downed via gun

The moment you even take a single melee hit

Redo it

[median badge]

Apparently, if you just jump off a cliff in the beginning of the game and have your buddies revive you at the very end it’ll count

I just want drippy helmet to match my armor man😭

[faint beacon]

So basically not play the game

That’s BORING!!!!

Seriously I’d say get someone who wants to help or a friend to run bullgryn and basically play VIP with you

[median badge]

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. I really don’t want to sit through 30 minutes spectating

The only plus side is it only has to be on malice

[somber axle]

I HAVE JUST THE THING TO HELP YOU

Give me one sec to find my clown bag of tricks

[median badge]

Reminds me of terrifier

[somber axle]

Grab Infiltrate, Low Profile and Overwatch talent nodes. Infiltrate stealth lasts 8 seconds. Low Profile also lasts 10 seconds and gives you -90% threat reduction when stealth breaks meaning if you are near a team mate you can literally shoot your gun and watch enemies walk past you to beat up the poor Psyker you're standing next to instead. Overwatch talent node gives you +1 charge at the cost of +33% CD. Infiltrate normally has 45 sec on CD. With Overwatch it has 2 charges and recharges every 1 min. Put Combat Ability Regen perks on all your curios to lower this CD. Use this with Tactical Awareness talent for -6 sec on ability CD per special kill. Get an ability CD reduction stim ASAP. Chain your Infiltrate and Low Profile during spicy fights to keep aggro off you and stay near the team. If things get extra hot pop CD stim and prepare to use Infiltrate more to keep hidden from the fight. You CAN still fight because during Low Profile you have the threat reduction. If an enemy hits you once? Pop Infiltrate immediately. Restores toughness to full and On Overwatch Penance only counts HP DAMAGE as failing it

[median badge]

Which really aggravating is I’m a zealot man and I struggle to pull anything good but the moment I start playing veteran every perk I could ever want and blessing pops first try

[last parcel]

there it is

[somber axle]

You can also do it on like... Malice iirc?

Malice Low Intensity and Infiltrate would probably make it much easier to do

[median badge]

Wrote me an essay man thank you

[somber axle]

Welcomes! I share this a lot

It has helped a lot of people get the penance

Good luck!

[last parcel]

and you still haven't fixed the infiltrate time

[somber axle]

OH I FORGOT TO EDIT IT

Infiltrate lasts 8 seconds LMFAO

Yeah I always forget to fix it

Anyway yeah if you chain Infiltrate and Low Profile that's 18 seconds of safety as long as you stay near a team mate

With Overwatch giving you an extra charge you suddenly can go an entire 36 seconds ignoring danger

Very powerful tool for keeping the heat off you

Remember that cowards win awards

Don't be the hero

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hide-gif-25483670

OH I ALMOST FORGOT

One last tip

You can underhand drop shredder frag grenades without breaking Infiltrate Stealth

It is a very good room clear tool to safely make space

Make sure you underhand the throw though

Overhand throws break Infiltrate Stealth

[median badge]

Cool good thing I run shredders

Wish me luck I’m about to go try it lol

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-robert-downey-jr-shrug-the-rot-the-rot-consumes-gif-4934048971431677874

[hidden torrent]

Man, melatonin fucks me up, I had to pee in my sleep and had a night mare that I was being hunted my urinals

[median badge]

Please God tell me, beast of nurgle vomit doesn’t count as Melee

[hidden torrent]

I would think it counts as ranged

[tame lodge]

Melatonin fueled dreams

[hidden torrent]

L Bozo + Nerd + Bald

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/холодильник-speech-bubble-gif-25663959

[median badge]

I FUCKING DID IT

You’re an animal

[hidden torrent]

+Ratio

[faint beacon]

Was it seriously that simple with infil

[median badge]

Bro, yeah I pretty much did the exact shit he told me and I cruised through it

There was even a point all three of my teammates went down, and I managed to revive them all and still didn’t get smacked

Now I got fashion

[marble mantle]

What should I do with this, stinkers

Was thinking of changing speed to dumdum and csc to flak

[last parcel]

brautos don't have dumdum

[marble mantle]

Oh okay okay what to then?

Stripped down or fire frenzy maybe?

[tall torrent]

I replied in the post asking abt this, maybe we'll get an answer https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/itemization-rework-q-a-part-1-dev-blog/97316/168?u=bath.rawr

[last parcel]

yeah probably

[vale kelp]

why is it the same item with teh same statistic have different stats? is this a bug?

[dreamy spade]

That definitely not intended lol

But good to know

[radiant chasm]

first target score

iirc

[tall torrent]

First target difference

[vale kelp]

i dont tlike that but also thanks

[hollow warren]

I just got this as a mission reward

[hollow warren]

as someone already said. the "First target" affects the damage as well. Look for a combat axe where the dump stat is Mobility, but not lower than 51%

[terse idol]

I mean TO BE FAIR

You're looking for a rashad specifically with the highest in all damage stats, and Unarmoured, And Headtaker And Brutal momentum

[marble mantle]

Most penances are essentially just tutorials

Just without the actual teaching

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1263995751487373432/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.07.19_-_19.06.26.73.png?ex=669c4347&is=669af1c7&hm=248817bb583f4e834729abebe424d474feb08786cc5530b393f1be0091043a64&

[elder fiber]

thanks melk

[bold belfry]

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[hollow warren]

that's impressive

[bold belfry]

Thanks lol I exclusively hipfire it

Surgical mains in shambles

[severe gale]

79% mobility

bricked

[bold belfry]

Nah

[severe gale]

hold x

[bold belfry]

nty

can't hear you over the sound of me magdumping into hordes

[hollow warren]

sorry, can't hear you magdumping over the sound of my fwoosh

[bold belfry]

can't hear you over the sound of me landing headshots on snipers while hipfiring

My record atm is 65 meters

[hollow warren]

can't hear you over the sound of me eating rashuns

[last parcel]

im out here strokin my force sword i got warp juice on my force sword im a witch fr

[hollow warren]

my long-distance kill record, oddly enough belongs to my ogryn. smacked a sniper at 98m with a freaking kickback

it has 80% in range, so no wonder

[bold belfry]

[finite imp]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

AZREAL MY BOY HOW U BEEN

WHERE U BEEN

[halcyon zephyr]

Soo, how bad is this?

I haven't played this game in 30k years

[radiant chasm]

ehh, low damage, bad perks, only great thing on it is skullcrusher (shock maul doesn't like thrust, it likes to hit targets repeatedly and quickly)

i'd save skullcrusher 4 or use it while you wait for a better one

[shadow dagger]

i remember hearing something about +3 stamina curios being fake +3s under a certain number, is that actually a thing?

[radiant chasm]

yes need to be 76

or something

i forgot the number

oops

[halcyon zephyr]

they ain't fake, I have a few

wait maybe I misunderstood the question. Are you saying +3 curios with under 76 rating? I've heard people before saying they didn't think +3 was real

[shadow dagger]

if i knew the actual number i wouldnt have said 'certain number' xd

but yeah thats the idea

[halcyon zephyr]

my b then

[gilded rock]

I heard it was 77+ but someone posted one of 76 and said it said it did indeed still give 3

[halcyon zephyr]

hadron why

[shadow dagger]

i have a 75 that gives 3 in psykhanium as well

weird

[somber axle]

CONGRATS! Welcome to the sneaky crew

[somber axle]

It also works with smokes and krak but krak will break infiltrate stealth if it sticks to a target and pops so if a mauler, flak rager or crusher is near it will magnetize and break your stealth

But you have to underhand throw or it breaks

[marble mantle]

Bullseye is gonna be such a pain to do, gotta shoot 12 blue bottles and no other bottles

[somber axle]

Just bring an Infantry Lasgun or a Headhunter Autogun

[shadow dagger]

yeah i just noticed it not working in a real game

odd

weird how i never noticed that at all until now

[lilac kayak]

Not hard tbh, bring a las pistol and u could finish the penance in prob 5 mins top

[shadow dagger]

you can do it with a columnus as well

it really isnt that hard

[marble mantle]

Problem is that I need to wait for one to pop up, and since I’m Xbox I can’t exactly solo it

[shadow dagger]

the bottle section is like

the second section of the map

like, right below the slope that goes to the left

[marble mantle]

Yeah I found it but I keep accidentally destroying different ones 😭

[shadow dagger]

accidentally as in you know which ones are the right ones but hit the wrong ones

or accidentally as in you havent figured out where all the right ones are yet

if its the former you can move around, it isnt like you have to shoot em all without moving

[slow spade]

The Imperium has blessed me

[midnight totem]

Not 696969 diamantine

Banned

[hollow warren]

meanwhile: 317

[hearty panther]

yea thats about right

lul

i cbf to care that much

[marble mantle]

I fucked it up

[hearty panther]

i also doubt anything beyond just the highest tier of X blessing mattera

for the transfer

[marble mantle]

Both I guess

[hearty panther]

flechette tier 4

6 bleed

[faint beacon]

Flech T4, 1 Bleed Stack 🗣️

[sullen scarab]

What Blessings/Perks do you run in the MKVIIa recon lasgun? Flak/Maniac Dumdum/Headhunter?

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nod-catnod-yes-vibe-gif-21529329

[crimson pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[gilded rock]

I think the cleave comes into play too often for me to not main 7a, that's just preference though

[crimson pebble]

Manstopper recon when

[gilded rock]

Many a time has the cleave let me get to a sniper, trapper, etc. that's being a pain in the ass behind a horde

[sullen scarab]

I'll have ot ask in a bit on my guns haaha

[gilded rock]

And it's also just neat horde clear in a pinch (definitely not to use for that often but still nice)

[somber axle]

You may want to get a stam curio or two and get Deadshot + Target Down to offset the lack of Headhunter if you go Dum Dum + Infernus on a Recon

The crit chance is very, very low without Headhunter or Deadshot

5% Vet base, 5% crit chance talent node, 5% crit perk on weapon

At best you'll be sitting on 15% assuming you get that talent node and use one of your weapon perk slots for another 5%

Deadshot at least bumps that another 25%

[hard cave]

how do I build such a thing

[somber axle]

If you play Psyker you can ignore Headhunter and just get True Aim + Scriers Gaze for crits. Dum Dum and Infernus are very fun for Gunker

[hearty panther]

i wouldnt call the crit low

in a relative sense to deadshot/headhunter sure

but with the sheer volume the 6 puts out

its just gonna happen and you only care about infernus proccing at some point once or twice

two procs is max stacks already

[somber axle]

They're talking about the Recon Mk VIIa

The slowest fire rate Recon with cleave

[hearty panther]

oh i missed that

[somber axle]

Though honestly I'd still recommend Deadshot or Headhunter. Going neither and banking on Infernus proccing on at best a 15% crit chance means you will more often than not see shots get only the benefit from Dum Dum

And if you don't get the 5% crit chance talent node or the 5% perk on the weapon suddenly the crit chance is only 5%

[sullen scarab]

yeah I was asking about the viia one

[somber axle]

5% is hoping the Emperor guides your fire because RNG will be very against you

[sullen scarab]

but I'd love tips on teh vib

[somber axle]

Headhunter is very good for synergy with Shock Trooper

More shots per clip and extends your ammo economy immensely

Less time fishing for ammo

[hearty panther]

and psyker doesnt care about it either

[somber axle]

It becomes a reliable way of pushing crits

[thorn lark]

Recon 6d gunker is busted

[somber axle]

Psyker can do Dum Dum + Infernus and use True Aim as a better Headhunter

[thorn lark]

I don't even pretend to aim

It's a flamethrower

[hearty panther]

recon smyker is the most cursed thing i ever conceived

[somber axle]

Why Smite LMFAO

[hearty panther]

my crimes will continue until i am given a shotgun for my magicbois

[thorn lark]

Burn them, lock them

[somber axle]

I like Assail for Recon Gunker vibes

Smite + Creeping Flames is funny though

[thorn lark]

Lawbringer or Agri are very finesse oriented IIRC

Bolter psyker

Make it happen

[somber axle]

Scriers + DD Agri Shotgun in Psyker hands is going to be so silly

[thorn lark]

My god

[somber axle]

This is what I actually want though LOL

Give Gunker the Boltgun please

[thorn lark]

Scryer, magdump, reload, end of scryer

[sullen scarab]

ok I'm out of my match so I can finally ask lasgun questions lmao

[somber axle]

I HAVE JUST THE ANSWER

Did you know the Recon Mk VId is the only Recon that can stagger a Bulwark through their shield?? And it doesn't need buffs to do it or even a high collateral. You don't need Exe Stance or Combat stim

I will always stagger a Bulwark in exactly 90 shots

[sullen scarab]

oh shit

[somber axle]

That's a massive waste of ammo!

Do not do this!

[sullen scarab]

Here's my MKVII, is this pretty much what to run on it on veteran?

[somber axle]

But it can technically do this LOL

[thorn lark]

I don't think we'll get class exclusives weapons on all characters

[somber axle]

Yeah that looks good

[thorn lark]

But recons are probably next after shotguns

[somber axle]

Once you get Headhunter IV you can upgrade the blessing but otherwise that should be perfect

[sullen scarab]

niceeee

ok let me find my vi

is this what to run on the 6, or nah

from when the vi was busted

[midnight totem]

"We want a psycannon"
"We have a psycannon at home"
Psycannon at home

[somber axle]

Every day I stray closer to becoming a Psyker main

[sullen scarab]

Also I have HH4 on this one, not sure if I should rip it off lol

[midnight totem]

You pretty much are a psyker

Those clown shenanigans have to be Warp powered in some way

[sullen scarab]

True

[hard cave]

hyperfixation-tism strikes again

[somber axle]

Psyker irl

[hard cave]

@somber axle how do I make a knife crit build on vet

[somber axle]

Reciprocity

[faint beacon]

Right side tree

weapon specialist basically

[somber axle]

There's not a lot of ways to get melee crit in the Vet tree. Reciprocity, Desperado and the 5% crit node above the weapon specialist side of the tree are all you can really get

The 5% crit node is above Infiltrate

[faint beacon]

Melee crits are more common on Zealot seeing well thats their thing

[sullen scarab]

What perks do you run for the recon lasgun, 5% crit and whatever?

[faint beacon]

Head Hunter as a Blessing helps

that or Weapon Specialist if you're trying to get crits

[astral ingot]

Dumdum infernus flakiac if you want to become a murder machine

[gilded rock]

Would you play zealot if they gave it recon

Chastise is +20% attack speed, inexorable keystone is more damage and attack speed