You could get really damn far with a crouched side dodge with knife
#veteran-class
faint beacon
and thats how you could maintain stacks
I think we called it Crab Veteran in here for sometime
faint beacon
I just knife spammed
it took me like...
4 matches of being Crab veteran
technically 2 hours, yeah very tedious
austere mica
The funny part about my stupid penance build is it’s good
faint beacon
but it was over vs way longer
honestly reminding me to use the DB + Knife build I haven't touched in ages
"ages"
two weeks
lmao
uncut pebble
Honestly, using a recon lasgun is now probably the easiest way.
The mk7, specifically.
You get good horde clear and decent ammo economy when paired with shock trooper (which obviously isn't out of the way for MF setups).
Also, if you've got weapon customization, you can throw a scope on there and call it good for "sniping."
rigid pilot
Can we put scopes on the DBS
thorn lark
i am sure of it
uncut pebble
One of the updates from the modding discord (not live on nexus yet) lets you put optics on it.
Not sure about scopes, exactly, but I know reflex sights work.
rigid pilot
I think they don't work though since you can't go into ADS with them 
uncut pebble
Oh, they do.
It's a little janky, though.
Honestly, not exactly worth doing to begin with because it's a shotgun.
It's a point and click adventure, no real accuracy is needed.
radiant chasm
alright checklist for what i need for mk6 psword push attack one shot crushers
i got BM
wait i can test
thorn lark
i think you need focus target
2 shot is possible with bm and sunder but one shot...
@tall torrent you know if it's possible?
tall torrent
<@366562874039992331> you know if it's possible?
PS6 1 tap crusher?
thorn lark
yeah
tall torrent
honestly just wouldn't bother with that lol
crimson pebble
I def think its possible but sustainable prob not
faint beacon
Throne help me
rigid pilot
All 3 vet auras ez game
placid portal
4 vet gaming
faint beacon
we are now on
6 wipes
consecutively in a row
took a break, it did not help at all
Auric is cursed I swear man
lilac mesa
lads, what helbore lasguns are good for what and why?
hearty panther
i shouldnt buy any snacks, it would be irresponsible
me five hours later: why didnt i buy snacks am i some kind of fukken puritan
MKI: just good
MKII: anti shooter
MKIII: antimaterial
lilac mesa
first armory roll :D
sacred vortex
Nice
tame lodge
So, messing around with the recon
You can open Bulwarks by shooting the shield!?!?
Of course it's not a smart move but it's funny
wicked epoch
Whats a good use for the chainaxe?
im thinking on making a build with it
not sure what gun would be a good one for it tho
serene bough
i use mine with the bolt pistol
wicked epoch
Nice
Is it a horde weapon?
I never used it and i dont know any good blessings for it
serene bough
i use the mk4 its got single target lights and horde clear on heavies
wicked epoch
Also not sure the differences with both
serene bough
its decent but nothing super impressive
wicked epoch
i use the mk4 its got single target lights and horde clear on heavies
Ooooo interesting
serene bough
headtaker + slaughterer for blessings
wicked epoch
its decent but nothing super impressive
Compared to a Mk13 chainsword how does it stack up
serene bough
not sure tbh i dont use chaxe much
serene bough
its a niche pick but it adds some varietyt
the other chaxe is single target heavies and light for clears iirc
serene bough
may be better to use thrust for that one, but again i dont have much experience
wicked epoch
Ill try both out
tall torrent
Compared to a Mk13 chainsword how does it stack up
Better elite killing & boss dmg, worse horde clear & low dodge profile
wicked epoch
Better elite killing & boss dmg, worse horde clear & low dodge profile
How about the Mk6 power sword?
tall torrent
How about the Mk6 power sword?
Low point cost anti-everything melee with low dodge profile
Chainaxe is better on zealot than on vet imo
wicked epoch
Chainaxe is better on zealot than on vet imo
Fair but i just want something to try out
serene bough
you can try it still works
pastel yew
oh damn..
lucky
I need to make some other helbores
I tried the mk3 and
its fun but its not good
the damage is respectable its initial charge time coupled with bad pull out time just make it painful to use
placid portal
Has alot of 1 shot BPs but needs weight of fire stacks to start killing
midnight totem
alrighty
anybody wants to play?
holy shit
look what melk's selling me today
midnight totem
I know right?
austere mica
That’s actually kind of sad, no headhunter and 2 bad perks
Still really good though
rotund pike
short wigeon
what ones better
b purely for the commanding stache
somber axle
You can open Bulwarks by shooting the shield!?!?
Of course it's not a smart move...
I decided to test this and like it IS technically possible with the Recon Mk VId but you'd have to burn through so, so much ammo even with 80% collateral and Exe Stance buff active. I also tested it with a combat stim and even though it is unnecessary a combat stim's bonus power for extra stagger potential doesn't change the time to pop a Bulwark shield by much but it IS still possible to pop a Bulwark shield with a Recon Mk VId which is hilarious
I did also test both the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa
even despite perfect 80% collateral on both, Exe Stance AND Combat stim neither gun could stagger a bulwark
Only the Recon Mk VId can do this very ammo costly move
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non executioners stance bolter user dumps their last 4 shots into the shield only for the recon user to open it
somber axle
the honking straw that broke the ogryn's back
thorn lark
I decided to test this and like it IS technically possible with the Recon Mk VId...
or you can shoot the foot and burn the ogryn down until he opens the shield in pain > game over
somber axle
or you can shoot the foot and burn the ogryn down until he opens the shield in p...
yes but someone said it was possible so as a clown I had to head into the lab for CLOWN SCIENCE to test it
thorn lark
clown science is best science
somber axle
I want to try to record this because I don't want to give the misconception that this is a good idea
it isn't
but it IS possible
it burns a LOT more ammo than anyone is imagining
gilded rock
Me deadass watching the action queue not do the Q for weapon swap, but do the right click I press after Q
coral willow
it burns a LOT more ammo than anyone is imagining
3 staff psyker time.
gilded rock
So I aim in and aim out at the poxburster THREE TIMES
somber axle
Ok so
You can do it with the Recon Mk VId without Exe Stance
Exe Stance just pops the shield a bit sooner
Exe Stance AND Combat Stim make the shield pop faster together
it's still not worth doing but it is hilarious it can be done at all LOL
Recon Mk VId is still the only Recon that can do this btw
for a very niche and useless bit of new knowledge
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I want to try to record this because I don't want to give the misconception that...
you could record it and leave in the archivum without posting here
somber axle
archivum?
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or post it anyways to punish noobs for blinding following random gifs 
somber axle
Oooh
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a usb flash drive you keep under a rock
somber axle
everything goes on my computer
I have many weird things on my old computer I never transferred that I probably should
I have a flash drive I keep with me always on my keychain/lanyard for work but it just has boring work stuff
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boring work stuff + a pdf of TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook
somber axle
or post it anyways to punish noobs for blinding following random gifs <:chadgryn...
tbh I don't think even a new player would look at this and think it was a good idea LOL
austere mica
How much of a mag does it take
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tbh I don't think even a new player would look at this and think it was a good i...
that’s why it’d be natural selection
austere mica
Oh my god
somber axle
my starting ammo number was 177 but the recording started a little late
somber axle
I'll do two more recordings without any buffs active and with both Exe Stance and Combat stim to show the differences
hidden quiver
Did the new double barrel shotgun get a nerf?
somber axle
Exe Stance and Combat stim (to show how minor combat stim even changes it LOL)
slightly faster but still burning over 100 ammo just to do it
though for these tests I'm not running Shock Trooper because even crits against shields will be free shots
last recording without Exe Stance or Combat stim to show that neither buff was even necessary to begin with
but even in a best case scenario with combat stim and exe stance you're still burning over 100 ammo (without shock trooper) to pop a shield so you should probably not do this LOL
but on the bonus side
it proves that the Recon Mk VId has the BEST impact damage of any of the three Recons
even despite the impact stat being buffed on the Recon Mk VIIa
so it will stagger a Bulwark mid-swing better than any of the others
somber axle
you can stun a Bulwark when it goes to attack easier with a Recon Mk VId than any of the Recons
Recon Mk VId still does the best stagger on all targets too for locking a target down
Recon Mk VIIa probably has better impact damage per shot but the fire rate is so sluggish comparatively that the Recon Mk VId leaves it in the dust for staggering targets
but like some people hate when a target is staggered to begin with so this might mean you like the Recon Mk VIIa and Recon Mk II MORE knowing that they're so weak on impact damage and stagger
and if you do like stagger you can join me in clown volleys stunlocking ragers and melting them to death
and have an easier time putting laser vomit into a bulwark mid-swing and stunlocking him to death too
also again for testing purposes I tested a Recon Mk II with 80% collateral, a Recon Mk VII with 80% collateral and a Recon Mk VId with 80% collateral
I have too many of these guns
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now for the 0 collateral test
somber axle
I didn't know if Marksman's Focus or Focus Target would have any change on stagger so I chose to go weapon specialist and just not kill anything in melee so ranged specialist never triggers to show it without any keystone possibly influencing things (even though I think none of them would alter stagger time other than Marksman's Focus Ranged Finesse Power rewarding faster stagger on consistent headshots and Weapon Specialist ranged attack speed reducing time to stagger)
austere mica
Actually do a 60 collat test, see what it looks like with a normal dump stat
somber axle
and like Marksman's Focus isn't going to help a Bulwark shield pop
it'll just allow a faster stagger for keeping your crosshairs on a Rager head
you're going to laugh but
I don't have the mod to change stats/blessings on the fly for testing LOL
I never did get around to downloading the mods
but as an excuse
I did literally have the president in my convention center on Tuesday so
it was a very busy week
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a minor setback
somber axle
I DO HOWEVER
own a Recon Mk VId with 69% collateral stat
and another with 42% collateral stat
funny enough
even the 42% collateral stat Recon Mk VId can still pop a Bulwark shield
and it doesn't need Exe Stance or a Combat stim to do it either
going to record a clip soon but
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only half a mag
somber axle
LMFAO
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still a half mag 
somber axle
as it turns out collateral is STILL a dump stat regardless
because even low collateral allows you to do this stagger
and the change in number of shots to stagger barely changes even with max collateral and buffs active
the stagger happens at half a mag
at 90 shots (max ammo in clip is 180)
I wonder if this is intentional on the part of the devs
it's weird that it does EXACTLY half your mag
last parcel
or we're reading too much into this
somber axle
the funniest part?
I think the faster kill time with combat stim and exe stance was placebo
it didn't actually change number of shots to stagger
I checked frame by frame and like
from the first clip the total ammo per clip was 177
the shield broke on 88 ammo remaining
IT'S STILL 50% OF THE MAG
buffs are meaningless
collateral stat is meaningless
it will somehow always stagger the bulwark shield on 50% of the mag
last parcel
i think that's just a ~90 shots thing
somber axle
the actual impact damage done by the Recon must be so ABYSSMALLY LOW that buffs actually have no change to it and the real reason it can stagger through a Bulwark shield is the rate of fire
fading yarrow
Extremely happy with this roll
somber axle
Exe Stance and Combat Stim, despite both buffing impact on a ranged weapon, don't actually change number of shots
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90% of my mag
fading yarrow
One revved attack is enough to one-shot Maulers on Damnation
somber axle
LOL
ok this is going into the chart
Recon Mk VId can stagger bulwarks shields on EXACTLY 90 ammo spent
if you use both Exe Stance and Combat Stim to improve impact damage you can get the ammo spent down to
89
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fuck distance
somber axle
IT STILL STAGGERED ON 90 AMMO
ok so impact damage done isn't altered by distance I guess??
somber axle
that could be it too
gilded rock
Does the threat reduction from Infiltrate go away for specific enemies when you hit them?
somber axle
yes
gilded rock
Makes sense
somber axle
keep in mind that you're still doing less threat per strike than normal
so for bosses you're less likely to get aggro
radiant chasm
Do poxwalkers ignore the threat reduction post stealth or something?
I feel i can rush ahead in stealth and gun down an entire regiment before they start shooting me, but if i un stealth near poxwalkers they just turn to me half the time
lusty sapphire
Get thrust, change unarmoured to flak possibly or maniac
lusty sapphire
3?
coral willow
i have
lusty sapphire
Use it till you find 4
2 stacks of thrust 3 are still better than max stacked headtaker4
And karl is all about chaining heavies
coral willow
current one i use
lusty sapphire
Oh then you can strip slaughter 4 off of the other one an drop it here instead of torment
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all you quickplay bozos better watch out
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c8cc686-9aa4-49bc-b69e-7b18f880b30e/brittle-bro
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that's not the only thing i'll steal
faint beacon
Im today years old upon learning this is an inspect on Knives
CSGO players showing off their shartenfarten knife (worth half a million USD)
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grand perch
all you quickplay bozos better watch out
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build...
Still uses voc not brittle enough
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Still uses voc not brittle enough
you make the peanut brittle then shout to break it
grand perch
That's one way to make an omelette
frank ledge
Hear me out
Combat specialist plasma
tough tiger
pretty disgusting actually
faint beacon
Hear me out
Combat specialist plasma
lets get even funnier, Bolter with Shattering and WS
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shattering impact onslaught
frank ledge
faint beacon
With the new Monstrosity B-Gone!
Any Beast of Nurgle will Dissapear!
BANG BANG BANG!
somber axle
it's surprisingly easy to get your missing tier 1 and tier 2 blessings just occasionally checking Brunt's shop and buying any blues with blessings that have a magnifying glass to feed to Hadron next door
I haven't leveled a fresh Vet to farm blessings and I have most of the blessing pool for most of the weapons already
gilded rock
chat is this real chat
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lmao firing squad
gilded rock
Iron will diff
frank ledge
What I'd give to see a % of toughness
instead of this arbitrary number that is a suggestion
gilded rock
on a 1:1 scale trash ranged are deadlier than gunners any day of the week tbh
frank ledge
I wish we had more reapers
instead of all this trash gunners
but I also have to do the funny penance
This is going to take a while
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kid named camouflage + melee:
white minnow
crosshairHUD can show you the percentage of toughness you have
white minnow
i have it set to the same size and same color as the default toughness number and have completely replaced the default one with the crosshairhud's
austere mica
This is going to take a while
Lawb works very well for this
frank ledge
What?
frank ledge
i have it set to the same size and same color as the default toughness number an...
Can't run mods, memory leak
austere mica
What?
Lawbringer alt shells have a perfect horizontal spread, so you grab Deadshot and Manstopper + scattershot on your gun and hit almost 100% crit chance
Clothesline hordes and have it count for MF penance
frank ledge
Hmmm maybe it's time to bring the old lawbringer back
Only issue is, is it better than the recon lasgun at it?
austere mica
Yes
austere mica
Maybe
I have no idea I finished the penance before I got my recon
But like
Cone of death is really fun
You can grab low profile on infiltrate to make it better
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kill the batman
austere mica
I still need a mk6 for vet
frank ledge
Become crab
Shoot hordes
Use knife
Clearly I will be a veteran for all time
faint beacon
I still need a mk6 for vet
You can shockingly get away Uncanny + Mercy IF and ONLY IF you take the serrated blade talent
if not Probably do Precognition I think it is?
Finesse damage on Dodge
austere mica
You can shockingly get away Uncanny + Mercy IF and ONLY IF you take the serrated...
I know about that
I also have a mk6 rolled on my zealot so I know how to build one
austere mica
Chat peep the horror
The worst part about it is how long it took to get those blessings
faint beacon
if you have the weapon customization mods and you dont make your Mk6's a bowie knife at all I will be deeply dissapointed
faint beacon
Correct
when the update dropped they also dropped minor buffs/rehauls to blessings
Sunder is another semi-under the radar change
Heavy Attacks +15% Damage
faint beacon
The perfect mark 6 doesn't ex-
I literally just read it again now and noticed that very awesome dump stat you have there
guys damage is a dump stat right?
austere mica
guys damage is a dump stat right?
Quickplay knife zealots:
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lacerate makes up for it
faint beacon
Serrated Blade
austere mica
Someone was unironically advocating for Lacerate Flesh Tearer in zealot chat the other day
frank ledge
80% mobility and infiltrate will let me solo the map
austere mica
I have lost all hope
rigid pilot
Chat peep the horror
Does it even give 8 bleed stacks on double barrel shot
faint beacon
Does it even give 8 bleed stacks on double barrel shot <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
erm.... no :((
rigid pilot
Boooo
faint beacon
I just make silly guns once I get actually good ones
rigid pilot
Fatshark boooo
faint beacon
fun fact playing with path last night I rolled a fucking 380 god roll agri revolver
lmao
The Blicky
rigid pilot
Run 'n' Gussy
austere mica
Expire
faint beacon
THE DECAY CONSUMES
austere mica
THE DECAY CONSUMES
faint beacon
I have the video that was sent in pics-vids a bit ago stuck in my head where its the fucking infamous king assripper clip except the white ghost orb is "Scab Bomber Darktide 40k™" and I cant stop snickering like an idiot about it
coral willow
Heavy Attacks +15% Damage
20*
coral willow
Fatshark boooo
they nerfed rippergun flechette to be same as normal flechette
rigid pilot
Wait what since when
placid portal
Chat peep the horror
Classic DOOM 1996 gaming
trim hemlock
they nerfed rippergun flechette to be same as normal flechette
Nerfed - yes, but likely not intentionally/it was not supposed to be part of the most recent patch
FS will be making it so all blessings have tiers 1-4 with the new itemisation update
So… Flechette “had” to be nerfed, so that it can go back to its previous max values, but at the yet-unreleased level 4 of the blessing
coral willow
So… Flechette “had” to be nerfed, so that it can go back to its previous max val...
no
normal flechette was nerfed from 6->4
trim hemlock
Well, yeah, and it probably will go back to 5 at Lv3, and 6 at Lv4
Or they will buff it to 6/8 at 3/4… we’ll have to wait and see
coral willow
Well, yeah, and it probably will go back to 5 at Lv3, and 6 at Lv4
it is in the normal config
yes
but the problem is the rippergun one
same localization update to the t3/4 variants within loadout config
so nerf was 8->4 and itemization would bring back up to 6
not 8
i do hope they fix this again
but idk
trim hemlock
Even if it gets nerfed, it shouldn’t be the most impactful nerf of all
It will only mostly impact the auto-firing modes of the Ripper guns, and burst-fires will be mostly unaffected, unless you are an absolute idiot like me that intentionally cancels most of my bursts to optimise burst count 
idle pecan
is this worth upgrading
trim hemlock
Carapace is kind of ass, but do upgrade to orange
idle pecan
im poor
trim hemlock
idle pecan
dont i want unyielding instead of carapace
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elite hits dreg gunner and crusher
rigid pilot
Lmao definitely no one deleting negative comments either
lusty sapphire
The most fun and frustration I've had in a LONG while. A loss but this maelstrom was what i'm looking for. Pox gas, minibosses, snipers.
Dealing with the toxic zones while fighting a boss and shooting snipers 
BLESSED BE THE OMNISSAYAH
wtf were the odds
trim hemlock
Terrific
placid portal
BLESSED BE THE OMNISSAYAH
urm what the Empra?
lilac kayak
The most fun and frustration I've had in a LONG while. A loss but this maelstrom...
Does your wrist hurt at all when doing maelstrom back to back for 3 hours?
lusty sapphire
Does your wrist hurt at all when doing maelstrom back to back for 3 hours?
Not really
I take regular breaks
I'm not that insane
idle pecan
bricked?
lilac kayak
I take regular breaks
I find it fun whenever I managed to quickplay into a game where pubs are dying left n right with a mega mixed horde and a chaos spawn in your face as u join into the game.
idle pecan
elite hits dreg gunner and crusher
is ye olde revolver bricked
placid portal
Had a run with Braced Autogun, feels great
idle pecan
cus id have to switch carapace for elite and terrifying for hand cannon
placid portal
Agripinaa Brauto my Space AK
idle pecan
rip that revolver
torpid grotto
its fine
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is ye olde revolver bricked
you can swap flak for maniac for flamer oneshots and swap terrifying for handcannon then just live with twoshotting dreg gunners
it's still a zarona
idle pecan
i require perfection
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then wait for itemization
lusty sapphire
surgical*
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maniac, elite \ crucian , hand cannon
yeah, if you do the one bullet + always prepared juggle
surgical otherwise
idle pecan
surgical instead of crucian ok
lusty sapphire
It takes just 2s to fully stack it so it's nice having it
And if you use deadshot it gets even easier to get the crits
odd violet
what should i be putting on the new double barrel
just went in with a randomly upgraded one last match and it did quite good
winter grove
Honestly, using a recon lasgun is now probably the easiest way.
8 hours later
CIAG is easier
lusty sapphire
what should i be putting on the new double barrel
You want manstopper and scattershot or manstopper and both barrels
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what should i be putting on the new double barrel
manstopper
flak helps with mauler oneshot dickshots
some people use infested to extend poxwalker oneshot range with manstopper
amber cliff
or ur a fullbore chad
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full bore chads are real ones
odd violet
alright i'll see if i have those to refine with
oblique totem
What's up, gamers?
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you know ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
junior needle
What's up, gamers?
Said it with a hard R
oblique totem
Sometimes I wish I didn't.
junior needle
I respect that
oblique totem
Anything new in the game?
idle pecan
whats the best vet melee for dealing with carapace enemies
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shredder autopistol bash
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well yeah a bash doesn’t need to shoot
idle pecan
its actually the best for dealing with them? like to kill them?
dire olive
It takes just 2s to fully stack it so it's nice having it
Worth noting you don't even need full stacks for 100% crit with base crit chance + revolver's innate crit bonus
dire olive
whats the best vet melee for dealing with carapace enemies
Actual answer is Power sword VI
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its actually the best for dealing with them? like to kill them?
no
it also doesn’t even have a bash
dire olive
Stab
lusty sapphire
Yeah even considering stab
dire olive
I haven't really tried the sunder change tbf
lusty sapphire
Ps3 just cleaves everything with sunder
grand perch
no
it also doesn’t even have a bash
Actshually shredder doesn't have bash either🤓
rigid pilot
sunder change doesnt really make any real difference imo
since they also nerfed heavy damage on pswords
lusty sapphire
Sunder makes a lot of difference given how you now ignore all hitmass
Permanent bromentum
rigid pilot
ok not damage nerf but adm nerf
sunder was always budget bromentum but now gives extra heavy damage
lusty sapphire
Wasn't it just extra cleave before?
heavy rover
Sorry I'm getting confused, by how much would Sunder reduce hit mass compared to brutal momentum?
tame lodge
I think sunder reduces by 75%, no?
wanton dawn
Sunder is great against meaty horde or elite melee group. Bm is better for trash and single target
And elite shooter that arent reaper
heavy rover
Ah I see. Thanks!
hearty panther
so sunder bm is the most powerful sword of all, i see, of course
i shall cleave this hive city in twain
fleet thicket
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jovial aurora
okie so flak and gets hot is good?
prolly good enough to get a feel for it without grinding?
Vet is my least favorite sibling
tame lodge
okie so flak and gets hot is good?
Yes
Glory hunter is also good
The alternative is blaze away
jovial aurora
oh cool
tthanks for the advice
maybe this'll make me enjoy my vet once again.
poor bastard has been stuck with this for almost a year now
tame lodge
Gets hot and Shock Trooper 
plain escarp
best way of doing this?
jovial aurora
my guess would be
analog mural
Grab a ciag, shoot into the heads of a horde
plain escarp
10 stacks feels like a lot
heavy rover
best way of doing this?
I've been racking up a lot of kills using recon lasgun, getting to 15 stacks, and spraying down everything
Easy to maintain the 15 stacks on recon lasgun
crude fiber
best way of doing this?
Lawbringer shotty with manstopper and scattershot is 👌 just shoot into hoards
Spamming the special shot specifically
tame lodge
Bring some frags as well since the game wants you to kill stuff at 10 stacks
plain escarp
my only lasgunnnnnnn
winter dock
Returned to this game after a bunch of months in anticipation of the new weapon customization system. Did they buff the Accatran's again cuz I just used the slow ROF one and it felt disgustingly OP
Had the easiest time of my life cutting through yellow dudes like a lawnmower on slightly tall lawn
tame lodge
Yes they readjusted all of the recons
tame lodge
How is the BRRT one?
Even more brrrrrr
winter dock
Eeeegggcellent
tame lodge
At the cost of ammo of course
winter dock
I did notice that one, the slow rof one had like, an existing amount of ammo it was quite shocking
tame lodge
The recon users are asleep or away rn, otherwise they would recommend some builds
winter dock
I'm using my 'ol classic from the first time they were busted
well the adapted version of it since that was before new talents
or, new new talents
after the first talent rework but before the veteran's keystones
plain escarp
Does recon lasgu have supression immunity? sorry the n onn keyboard is malfunctioning
last parcel
Does recon lasgu have supression immunity? sorry the n onn keyboard is malfuncti...
no
plain escarp
the I take determied perk
last parcel
yes
last parcel
accuracy through volume
uncut pebble
attempt to play darktide
4 second delay on everything for zero reason, connection is fine
last parcel
fatshafted
uncut pebble
Well, I'm not using a VPN and I'm on my own region's servers.
All my connection stuff is working fine on my end.
Fatshark is just a little stoopid when it comes to allowing players to function at a basic level on their servers.
Guess it's back to stellaris until I get the urge to attempt playing darktide again...
silver cave
Need some advice…what’s the optimal change to make? 25% Maniac over Unyielding, upgrade 25% Carapace, or Brutal Momentum IV?
uncut pebble
Brutal momentum doesn't really matter as long as it's on the weapon.
You're using it for the "weakspot kills ignore enemy hit mass" part, not the weakspot damage.
And as for perks, due to the way vet's skill tree is, I would go see where your breakpoints currently lie.
junior needle
Returned to this game after a bunch of months in anticipation of the new weapon ...
They were adjusted but not by a huge amount, mostly enough to make them not basically gimping yourself to take. Iag's still outperform them on every metric except possibly ammo efficiency (with shocktrooper and crit stacking).
Dumdum was also buffed by the close range changes
hard cave
Need some advice…what’s the optimal change to make? 25% Maniac over Unyielding, ...
got damn,,,,the stats,,,
hard cave
best way of doing this?
Plasma gun
and the gaining stacks when standing still or crouching
tame pollen
Hi, I have a question regarding the penance "Make every shot count": Do melee attacks count towards the accuracy value? I used a Revolver and shot it empty and got all the hit markers but not the penance. I used melee after it was empty.
tame pollen
okay thx. maybe the hit registration was borked or something
hard cave
Hi, I have a question regarding the penance "Make every shot count": Do melee at...
Best way to do this penance is to get a low ammo roll on a plasma gun
And use the alt/charge up ability when shooting since it uses more ammo
informing people at the start what you plan on doing also helps too
tame pollen
ah good idea. i might try that. thank you 🙂
hard cave
tame pollen
i msg the people in my group, they were all very helpful
nonetheless it hasnt worked out yet
hard cave
agony
faint beacon
Hi, I have a question regarding the penance "Make every shot count": Do melee at...
Melees don’t, I suggest rocking a revolver and any aura that isn’t Survivalist seeing if you get any ammo whatsoever you have to use it. Honestly run a WS build with a melee you really enjoy that’s good at horde clear
analog mural
Survivalist works you just can't swap back to your gun after emptying it
Afterall the penance was a thing before the other auras even existed
junior needle
Yup
orchid hemlock
whats the best weapon I can use for marty? 🤔
analog mural
Rashad probably
terse idol
Not really
last parcel
I sprayed into the hoards the etire missio but oly 190???
you can use melee
plain escarp
teamates bad
terse idol
If you're that worried about progression
pseudo fiber
Someone post the shotgun build.
plain escarp
they kill all enemies
terse idol
And?
Well you gotta kill enemies
And like if you kill 195 enemies per match you'll get it in like
13 games
last parcel
Someone post the shotgun build.
someone already posted it last time they asked
pseudo fiber
Oh they did that's good. I think I used a mk5 auto and powersword then did it bit I don't remember anything else.
gilded rock
whats the best weapon I can use for marty? 🤔
These are guesses but hammer purty good, heavy sword purty good, eviscerator too I believe
orchid hemlock
which hammer?
gilded rock
Both honestly but it would help ironhelm hit breakpoints with less thrust/ht/slaught stacks
plain escarp
how do you even do this
plain escarp
it hasn't registered anythig
I have 260 h
BUt that was before penace rework
I hate my keyboard
gilded rock
Could probably one shot maulers using H1 instead of H3 when you're missing just two or three wounds
last parcel
yeah you need the aura equipped too
plain escarp
I prob don't have it euqiped thaennnn
gilded rock
Survivalist is green aura with flies atp
faint beacon
Behold "Gimmick" the sword
its the MK1 I got from an Emperor's Gift
aka the worst version lmao
Testing it out in Psyk and its really funny how quickly it flies through anything under Bruisers
junior needle
It's only the worst version due to lack of strikedowns
In terms of clear it should win out
terse idol
BUt that was before penace rework
Alot of progression didn't transfer to new penances
plain escarp
Alot of progression didn't transfer to new penances
such as games played on different levels
terse idol
Like Krak grenade kills are genuinely annoying
hard cave
I'm at 150
what a painful penance
only thing for me to do penance whise is complete the weapon specialist one and kark gernade
terse idol
The Scab Stalkers might count? But I forgor
last parcel
I wish flak armored enemies counted
well you're in luck
terse idol
Yee
hard cave
well you're in luck
not regular flak melee guys though
Ik all orgyns and the scab mauler and rager count
scab ragers are too squishy tho
so they end up getting killed b4 you can lob one
whats more painful is getting one attached and them dying b4 it goes off
hard cave
How should I build this?
terse idol
How should I build this?
Replace wrath with PC4, and Rampage with BM
last parcel
not regular flak melee guys though
scab bruisers worked last i checked but maybe that changed
hard cave
Replace wrath with PC4, and Rampage with BM
what about maniac?
terse idol
what about maniac?
The changed blessings are more important imo
junior needle
The blessings are more impactful
last parcel
have fun with that
terse idol
hard cave
how does one build this as well?
last parcel
how does one build this as well?
bloodthirsty to wrath
gilded rock
Then sprint efficiency for... something
last parcel
prob flak
gilded rock
Yeah probably
Or elites depending on what breakpoints you hit
Flak better horde clear though
faint beacon
I know Shred + Wrath is also another you can do
hard cave
Probably that then since I primarily use it as a horde clear
faint beacon
matters on personal preference
junior needle
Wrath for sure if you intend to lightspam it, rampage is perfectly fine as an alternative to shred
last parcel
I know Shred + Wrath is also another you can do
yeah but i wouldnt replace rampage for that
junior needle
Agree
faint beacon
Didn't notice it was strictly locked to rampage
yeah thats salvageable but like
ouch
gilded rock
I run bloodletter on my mk4 chord but unsure how much mk8 benefits from it since it's already better single target
hollow warren
JFC why do so many veterans constantly need to spam tag on the same enemy?
tame lodge
Probably tag+primary action binded together
shadow urchin
Panic
wise jackal
I get why its annoying but like i dont get why people say its bad when people constantly do it
shadow urchin
Bind tag to scroll wheel.
fiery wave
Because it is pointless
fiery wave
The difference is an immediate vote kick
Spamming ping isn’t effective, it’s stupid and irritating for the rest of the lobby
elder fiber
yeah you can only spam voice line so frequently. If you really want to spam maximum ping its just constant
shadow urchin
Eh. To each their own. I've only encountered such spammers on rare occassion and they never went overboard with it, so I will take yer wird
junior needle
You can turn off the sound in your options
fiery wave
I have one person hard blocked for it, bound ping to m1
junior needle
It's great qol with the ping keystone but needs some consideration with weapons used
elder fiber
See I don't want to turn pings off completely lol
shadow urchin
Wasn't that common advice back in the day?
fiery wave
Quite literally pointless with focus target
shadow urchin
The m1 ping bind
fiery wave
From bad players perhaps
elder fiber
yeah like when people are firing pings off as fast as pre nerf mk2 laspis
junior needle
FT is the only real reason to bind your ping to m1
wise jackal
M1 ping is just stupid
junior needle
I called this back when it first released
fiery wave
You don’t hit a single breakpoint with 2 stacks
wise jackal
Like bruh ping is literally in your middle mouse, its not that far
junior needle
Depends on the weapon, also it refeshes your full redirect fire
I can confirm that the time it takes to click middle mouse and then your primary is more than enough for people to poach most of your kills
This is because I play revolver stealth zealot and do it to FT players constantly
junior needle
They ping, I kill the target, and then their plasma shot whizzes past the dead target
wise jackal
Ping isssue
junior needle
It's a bad design
wise jackal
junior needle
Actively encourages you to do that for qol
shadow urchin
You don’t hit a single breakpoint with 2 stacks
I think my one shot reaper build might, but I would need to test it in the grinder to know for sure.
junior needle
Also makes a difference on automatics
wise jackal
The only time that applies is when there isnt much going on and only specials spawn in
Because other than that, that issue is irrelevant
junior needle
What issue?
wise jackal
Read your above post
shadow urchin
Wasn't aware poaching kills was an issue. Except maybe if you steal a charge from your psykers. But if I tag something I usually just want it dead by any means.
junior needle
It is for for various talents like exe and also denies you value from confirmed kill and tactical awareness or whatever the ult cd reduction is called
elder fiber
in general mashing your ranged shit on people in melee when it isn't like, them being mobbed by ragers isn't great either
tall torrent
Wasn't that common advice back in the day?
Idk who made such advice but binding ping to m1 is not good
The optimal way to use FT is to tag & kill one after another very quickly
Tagging a bunch of things but not killing them immediately after tag is just waste of talent
austere mica
Tag to m1 also makes your team listen to the tag sound multiple times a second and then have boy who cried wolf issues
junior needle
Idk who made such advice but binding ping to m1 is not good
It's good for one tappers and automatics, but not anything that requires you to rapidly click.
But the amount of weapons that need to be rapidly clicked can be vastly reduced with mods.
tall torrent
It's good for one tappers and automatics, but not anything that requires you to ...
Having more control over who you’re tagging instead of whatever you’re shooting at is better
junior needle
If you use the autofire mod like me
You have all the control you need
There's not many instances where you want to ping something you aren't shooting at though
Can only really think of bosses
tall torrent
I can kind of get behind m2 bind to tag because you’d have to consciously ADS to tag things (still not ideal but way better than m1 tag)
junior needle
That also works, but way more awkward with having to "quickscope" every time
Maybe if you do it fast enough you can avoid that, but I've never tried it
tall torrent
Maybe if you do it fast enough you can avoid that, but I've never tried it
Best way is to just bind tag and incorporate tag into regular gameplay so u do it without thinking
shadow urchin
Can only really think of bosses
Well, if I am one shotting gunners or something. I might ping one for my team while I work on the others.
I've also pung beefers like ogryns and muties to help my frontliners while I snipe at the backline.
elder fiber
pung beefers
last parcel
need pung
shadow urchin
I am a wordsmith. Sometimes I smith acursed items. Comes with the gig
elder fiber
Pung my beef daddy
last parcel
she pung my beef till i Redirect FIre!
shadow urchin
Tubpunger.
idle swallow
she pung my beef till i Redirect FIre!
EXTREMELY LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER
last parcel
buzzer? i ardly know er
shadow urchin
hard cave
I have tag bound to m4
And primarily tag enemies when I can't see through a horde lmao
shadow urchin
Or fog. Or darkness. Sometimes it doesn't work through tox smoke but that might be bug?
inland orchid
I have tag bound to m4
my tag's bound to T, too used to verm 2 keybinds sometimes so i swapped it on here to stop me from shooting myself in the foot with muscle memory
hard cave
real
somber axle
My tag is bound to C because I can C the enemy so I want my team to C it too
hearty panther
shut up
last parcel
is that also why you have executioners stance bound to x
hearty panther
sustained fire resets immediately if you bayonet
now what can i do with this
probably nothing
but ima do it
hearty panther
yea you cant do shit with this
but its hypothetically funny
no respite + sustained
bayonet guy, double tap
it flexes
idle swallow
I'm too addicted to exe stance bolter rn
wanton dawn
After testing both dreg and scab rager in psy: dreg are scarier but nothing a weapon spec ps build cant handle
hard cave
https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-4269331066300187947
everywhere I look, I can't escape it
idle swallow
https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-4269331066300187947
feel like you might be a boykisser
hard cave
youre either a boykisser 40k fan, or a racist 40k fan,,,,
last parcel
why did you say the same thing twice
wanton dawn
@formal lake doable as well 
hard cave
Or autistic
so true
wanton dawn
I need the mod to force switch on special key, I hate the revolver lock
hard cave
we love hyper fixating on the moebian 21st
hearty panther
"you should watch zola"
last parcel
i dreamt of two zolas
wanton dawn
She legit scared me when she laughted
tame lodge
Ah yes, the vet type beat
austere mica
That laugh is great
wanton dawn
Does it has bleed though
last parcel
hearty panther
i cast double shredder nades
last parcel
ahh my nuts
tame lodge
Are you telling me that executor affects Bleed? I should've considered it before
tall torrent
Executor believer
tall torrent
Are you telling me that executor affects Bleed? I should've considered it before
Yes it’s +total power
junior needle
Depends on if you're talking about mk3 or mk6
Because the mk3 definitely falls behind
huh
Push attack spam for clear?
junior needle
intredasting
I will take a look at it sometime
Once you hit the bottom of your stam you can't go max speed with the PA's though.
Or at least I couldn't on zealot
tall torrent
Once you hit the bottom of your stam you can't go max speed with the PA's though...
Heavy + PA mix for mk6 is quite good
tall torrent
Executor being +30% power also allows this 6.5 cleave to go to 8.45
tall torrent
Me with a mk3
Too bad
junior needle
Buff the cleave on the light attacks by 0.1 so it can cleave scab bruisers
tall torrent
Mk6 knife is like the best new weapon they added in the traitor curse
last parcel
mk 12 knife users stay winning
tame lodge
Bro's dual wielding
junior needle
Me who doesn't like combos
Oh, it's if they're all clumped into a single pile with buffs up
Rather than spreading out
tall torrent
If they’re spread out knife outperforms a lot of things
formal lake
bleed will kill 5 targets
idle pecan
Is the knife the best horde clear tool?
junior needle
That poke doesn't look particularly convincing for a hitbox
tall torrent
That poke doesn't look particularly convincing for a hitbox
Trust in the emperor
last parcel
i need to go poke my hitbox
tame lodge
Is the knife the best horde clear tool?
Nope 
idle pecan
I use pc4 psword
Is anything better than that
Or at least able to deal with carapace enemies
tame lodge
Or at least able to deal with carapace enemies
Knife can deal with them
gray finch
idle pecan
Damage taken is insane
gray finch
ye if they started chain axe special attacking the chaos spawn that might be the case
last parcel
umbral scaffold
I wonder if the team heal is limited to that talent
Technically the base skill doesn't say anything about restoring toughness to others
idle pecan
I wonder what I'm gonna disable to get the 5% melee bost
Brother take of duty doesn't end in death
PLEASE
That skill is awful
last parcel
idle pecan
Reduces the effectiveness of the shout, increases it's cool down for something the zealot can do with invis
last parcel
idle pecan
junior needle
a bit thin
idle pecan
Rip
tame lodge
Reduces the effectiveness of the shout, increases it's cool down for something t...
Gotta be prepared for that one on a thousand games situation where your teammate goes down before passing the point of no return
idle pecan
God ddeid is such a terrible skill
Wanna know what's better than resing a downed teammate? Making sure they don't go down in the first place
tame lodge
What about rampage though?
idle pecan
IMHO, shout is overtuned. Give the AOE stagger to exe stance, remove downsides on ddeid and increase cooldown
Exe having AOE stagger would make it so viable
Yeahhhhh
I just wanna use exe stance without getting mobbed
tall torrent
I wonder what I'm gonna disable to get the 5% melee bost
What weapons are u using
hidden torrent
Exe stance just isn't that useful imo, after a while, you don't really need enemies to be highlighted, I just never found any utility in exe stance almost ever
Likely just my playstyle
Yeah maybe but I don't use plasma anymore, I been using it since Beta lol
tame lodge
Is that the Mk4? You should try the XIIIg
wanton dawn
Discord sure has the wildest take does it
tall torrent
The XIIIg usually outperforms the 4 on horde clear
4 is better than 13g in just about everything
tame lodge
Hmmm, guess it lost its edge
tall torrent
Hmmm, guess it lost its edge
It never had one
thorn lark
I can confirm that the time it takes to click middle mouse and then your primary...
when i am using FT i am probably pinging stuff for other 50% of the time and not bother with the kill, unless it's a boss
idle pecan
Honestly, maybe give exe stance a node that gives teammates toughness on elite kills?
junior needle
13g was only better in light spamming and not by much
tall torrent
Honestly, maybe give exe stance a node that gives teammates toughness on elite k...
No
idle pecan
It's such a good idea trust
tall torrent
Yes but it’s still worse than mk4 lol
hearty panther
do i have to have flesh tearer 4 for this
thorn lark
Also, guys, ping on m2 is soooo much better
thorn lark
what is the build
hearty panther
siiiiigh
thorn lark
how do you get crits?
tall torrent
what is the build
5% crit + reciprocity + desperado
tame lodge
Probably right side Talent
idle pecan
how do you get crits?
Vet has so many talents for crits
idle pecan
5% crit + reciprocity + desperado
Don't forget deadshot
tame lodge
There! Reciprocity, crit chance on dodge
idle pecan
Deadshot goes hard
tall torrent
Don't forget deadshot
Since when can Deadshot be used to boost melee crit chance
hearty panther
im shaking rn
thorn lark
i mean in the psykhanium he could not proce reciprocity
tall torrent
i mean in the psykhanium he could not proce reciprocity
Even without reciprocity knife can get to 35% baseline crit chance (5% base + 5% talent + 10% desperado + 15% knife base)
thorn lark
sorry, did not see that
tall torrent
Reciprocity sends that to 60% at highest
radiant chasm
I just wanna use exe stance without getting mobbed
i've found that while exec makes your shooting stronger, stealth+ aggro reduction post stealth actually lets you do shooting things
at least, that's my opinion
thorn lark
yeah my taxe goes to 72%+++
i have not reached 80+ sadly
i don't bother with them unless carapace or unyielding, pa + h1 all the way
idle pecan
i've found that while exec makes your shooting stronger, stealth+ aggro reductio...
IMHO infiltrate should definitely be a sub node for exe
tall torrent
IMHO infiltrate should definitely be a sub node for exe
Nah that’s just trolling what
thorn lark
at some point, taxes will be touched by the grace of the shark
tall torrent
One day tac axe heavy overhead will do 1800 carapace dmg
marble mantle
Queued into random auric heresy right
Am actually playing with ppl that didn’t know you’re supposed to push bursters
tame lodge
IMHO infiltrate should definitely be a sub node for exe
Highlighting and going invisible
Do you see the balance problem?
marble mantle
Highlighting and going invisible
Do you see the balance problem?
Would be nice tho
thorn lark
5 base + 10 weapon (not sure) + 5 node + 20 shred + 10 desperado + 25 recipro > 75
tall torrent
5 base + 10 weapon (not sure) + 5 node + 20 shred + 10 desperado + 25 recipro > ...
Tac axe max is 12%
marble mantle
Mine rn is still pretty good
thorn lark
so you need + 5% on the weapon and maxe base must be 12
yeah path this is it
i am missing some base crit and a perk then
tall torrent
Yea
thorn lark
70% is high enough tho
tall torrent
If shred didn’t drop all stacks on miss I’d use it more
thorn lark
reciprocity kinda compensate the stacks you lost by dodging and not hitting
marble mantle
If I get another 300 rashad I’m punching someone’s grandma
thorn lark
Also which chsword and chaxe should I go for
chsword 4 is good all around and has very good horde clear... probably the best to start
marble mantle
chsword 4 is good all around and has very good horde clear... probably the best ...
Okay bet thanks
thorn lark
same for chaxe, chaxe 4 has good sweeping heavies and fast stunning lights
marble mantle
Pog alright
thorn lark
you go chword 13 and chaxe 12 for more single target dmg
like, you can oneshot a crusher with a chaxe12... but i would not start with those
marble mantle
Why?
thorn lark
chaxe 4 you want headtaker + slaughterer and chword 4 it's rampage + shred / savage sweep
tall torrent
Also which chsword and chaxe should I go for
Just go straight for chainaxe 4
marble mantle
Just go straight for chainaxe 4
Ahh alr
tall torrent
That’s the best chain weapon rn imo
marble mantle
That’s the best chain weapon rn imo
Good for elites too?
thorn lark
fuck yeah
marble mantle
Pog
thorn lark
marble mantle
So my next 3 weapons to build after I finish my cviag are rashad, chaxe 4 and chsword 4
Then I’m gonna finish my vraks 3 hha
tall torrent
Good for elites too?
Yea it’s way better than chainsword for elites lol
marble mantle
Bet sweet
umbral scaffold
So, the toughness regen is tied to the yellow toughness talent
marble mantle
I wanna have at least 1 weapon of every type, don’t need every variant
umbral scaffold
This honestly makes base shout kinda bad
Infiltrate has 2 charges, suppression and stealth
Granted the 2 charges need an extra point
But infiltrate is sort of shout with stealth
thorn lark
You can just walk to a crusher and stunlock hit with lights until it dies
The solution is to have 2 charges of shout
That you can stack
umbral scaffold
It would be interesting to see yellow toughness being the cooldown increase
tame lodge
And radius reduced
umbral scaffold
Ideally, I'd not even have yellow toughness in the game and just make VoC regen blue toughness
I think yellow toughness is kinda dumb and it's shown by the mentality some people have around vets that are not spamming shout every 10 seconds
idle pecan
Are there any vet melees capable of killing bosses REALLY fast
tall torrent
Are there any vet melees capable of killing bosses REALLY fast
Plenty?
idle pecan
IMHO yellow toughness should function similar to overhealth in other games, where it quickly begins to decay as soon as the source applying it dissapears
Good as an oh shit button, but doesn't keep you alive forever
And it shouldn't be regenable
umbral scaffold
Mk6 power sword is goated for bosses
idle pecan
Isn't groll on it maniac+elite / pc4+bm
elder fiber
voc needs like one or two decent nerfs to yellow toughness and then just kill cdr
umbral scaffold
I use carapace and slaughterer, personally
idle pecan
IMHO nerf voc and buff exe stance
umbral scaffold
I think the elites might be a bit flexible to account for talents
idle pecan
Ah ok
umbral scaffold
With some stuff you can two-tap crushers with elites
Though if that doesn't happen, carapace does it
idle pecan
I saw someone two shooting crushers with the mk6
I wanna do that so bad
I wanna be a diet zealot
elder fiber
zealot is the diet zealot
idle pecan
Lmao
elder fiber
its not hard to reach the 2 tap on mk6
idle pecan
What exactly do you need
tall torrent
What exactly do you need
Just take elite Dmg + ogryn Dmg talents
tall torrent
I wanna be a diet zealot
Veteran usually has more melee Dmg than zealot
idle pecan
Bruh what
idle pecan
Ah yes, the melee class doing less melee DMG than the ranged class
Not veteran being the best class in the game again
tall torrent
Ah yes, the melee class doing less melee DMG than the ranged class
Veteran is not the ranged class sorry