veteran-class

[pastel yew]

5m or further and it does effectively nothing

<5m and it just staggers on shot which I don't massively value

the blessing feels super overhyped

honestly I think I would rather have

literally anything on this list, over lethal prox

[hearty panther]

negative, it always affects the blast radius

[pastel yew]

like I said, effectively nothing

[hearty panther]

this is really to the bistols benefit anyway, you can basically do whatever you want for fun because almost none of these blessings net you definitive breakpoints that the player tree doesnt already get you

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean theres a lot of choice

[hearty panther]

and going down that list, most are also just generally terrible

[pastel yew]

I do think there are some options that are just better though

gloryhunter is just better if you're looking for some random non damage boosting ability

[hearty panther]

gloryhunter is a no, point blank is a DEFINITE no, run n gun is jank but you can work it, and execution is never relevant

[pastel yew]

run n gun is fun

also glory hunter is plenty good on a build that is able to one shot elites

if you sort your break points its good

as opposed to lethal prox which does exactly nothing

[hearty panther]

prox does exactly what it says and thats why its good

[pastel yew]

point blank could be a fine replacement to surgical sometimes.. sorta depends

[hearty panther]

it isnt mysterious, it's a big blast of CC

[pastel yew]

like I wouldnt choose it but if I got it

I'd not be depressed

[hearty panther]

nah its super bad lmao, bistol isnt a revolver with baked crit chance

[pastel yew]

the stagger just isn't really good though?

[hearty panther]

so just a flat 20% at best is terrible

stagger is very good

[pastel yew]

vet base crit + crit node + bolt pistol base crit + dead shot crit + then point blank

[hearty panther]

especially for a weapon with zero pierce

[pastel yew]

it doesnt rely on aim

is the main benefit

so if you wanted to play something in the mix

with a pocket hipfire elite killer

[hearty panther]

bolt pistol base crit is nothing

[pastel yew]

its not bad

[hearty panther]

so its just the 5 + 5 + 25 + 20 from PB

but its still a situationally triggered crit, and its only 20%

Surgical is unsurprisingly better

and you outshine PB with Surgical in about

what, 500ms?

[pastel yew]

vet base isn't 5?

I don't think

[hearty panther]

400ms?

[pastel yew]

i swear they have a higher crit chance than other classes

like 10%

[hearty panther]

nah

psyker, 7.5%

thats it

[pastel yew]

that definitely used to be the case

when did that change

[hearty panther]

ye

iunno

trees, probably

[pastel yew]

sadge

[white minnow]

yeah changed with patch 13

[pastel yew]

guess it got pushed into the node instead

[hearty panther]

but suffice to say none of those choices are doing breakpoints for you

[pastel yew]

yeah like I said

[hearty panther]

its just QoL

[pastel yew]

I'm just pointing out that its not a worthless blessing

also lets you hipfire which

is nice

though you wouldnt get dead shot

[hearty panther]

and for my money 100% the best choice there is being able to slap things away from the target i want to hit

and suppress as much as possible with that blast

the actual proximity part of the blessing

[pastel yew]

what even is the increased suppress range

[hearty panther]

is otherwise very rarely triggered

25%

[pastel yew]

like how far is the stagger normally

[hearty panther]

its right there lul

[pastel yew]

yeah but if its 25% on

4m

radius

thats 5m

which is a minor increase, to an already minor effect

[hearty panther]

suppression is a very

fucken

pandoras box ass subject

[pastel yew]

idk, don't need to stagger things if they're dead

[hearty panther]

but for this specific instance it's the blast radius and stagger

[pastel yew]

also there's nothing in the game you can't just dodge

[hearty panther]

oh dont do that dude

[pastel yew]

its true though no?

its better to one shot everything and dodge

[hearty panther]

then why put any points in your tree

[pastel yew]

than to stagger everything

[hearty panther]

its a dumb argument

the point is the bistol doesnt have 6.5 dumbo cleave like the revo

there's a lot of value in being able to guarantee its crowd control

[pastel yew]

comparing it to the revolver is just already foolish

the real point of comparison is the laspistol

that's what it is directly competing with

[hearty panther]

eh. yeah in a sort.

which still points the same way

[pastel yew]

they're competing for the same role, and against the same enemy types

[hearty panther]

its thing is crowd control on a quick draw

and also like

[pastel yew]

its just worthless crowd control though?

[hearty panther]

not zero literal carapace damage

well, i mean if thats been your conclusion

then i cant help you

[pastel yew]

true

[hearty panther]

and i also cant like

[pastel yew]

idk I cant think of a situation where I've been like

[hearty panther]

actually force you to like proximity

[pastel yew]

"man I wish I had staggered 1m extra radius"

[hearty panther]

but its the one blessing on that list where i totally make sense of it

run and gun, i want to like

but eeehuggghhh

actually sprinting and firing and shit

[pastel yew]

also removing the prime distance isn't great either since you can dodge back to make space

[hearty panther]

the game does not like that

[pastel yew]

run and gun isn't the strongest but it is very fun

[hearty panther]

you randomly stop a lot

its fucking frustrating

[pastel yew]

it appeals to the power fantasy

[hearty panther]

i mean other than for the fun of it initially

you arent using it to save your dodges

hypothetically you could but

thats not really the point of the gun itself

its when there's two flamers in a poxwalker horde

[thorn lark]

i remembered when we played for fun

[hearty panther]

your shots WILL split that horde like the red sea

[pastel yew]

my bolt pistol has run and gun on it

[terse idol]

Gotta say the thing that bistol does have more cara killing but the laspistol has chaff clearing

[hearty panther]

and youll actually be able to zone out those flamers

[pastel yew]

yeah but you really shouldnt be shooting carapace with it

you dont got the ammo

[thorn lark]

mine as well

[pastel yew]

laspistol is pretty good for like

the shitter gunners

[terse idol]

(Honestly the better comparison is boltgun vs bistol)

[pastel yew]

with flak

since you can one tap them

since its so ammo efficient you can afford to burn ammo

bolt pistol is just an objectively worse laspistol, but its good enough

[terse idol]

It is one of the uses, as it just fills the same niche as it's main-line

[pastel yew]

and thats fun

[terse idol]

Like it plays pretty much the same as the bolter

[pastel yew]

the sound design on the boltguns is fucking nailed

they sound the part

the visuals are on point

[hearty panther]

frankly the handling is on point too

[pastel yew]

aside from the sway and bugs its a satisfying weapon

[hearty panther]

for better or worse lmao

[thorn lark]

it's lore compliant lol

[pastel yew]

nah I disagree, maybe if it didnt cause bugged aiming

I'd be more chill with it

but having my sight teleport

off of somethings head

with a marksman weapon

is a big wtf bro

[dull quail]

That's funny

[hearty panther]

considering it kicks like a cannon and we dont even put a stock on it

iunno

frustrating, yes. incongruent, nah.

even when you draw it it sounds like a brick of iron being pushed across concrete

[marble mantle]

Are there any weapons that have terrifying barrage as a meta pick?

Feels like it would be really useful for WS

[thorn lark]

if you're shooting to kill, what is the point of shooting to suppress?

[hearty panther]

but also it just sucks

its an effect most weapons already produce

[marble mantle]

Because shoot one guy, suppresses those around it in order to get easier access for melee

Just a thought

[hearty panther]

suppression on kill triggers are baked into guns by default

[marble mantle]

Oh okay

Then why does TB even exist

[hearty panther]

excellent question

[thorn lark]

i would like terrifying to be useful, but that means going back to the shooterpocalypse post SOTMG

[fleet thicket]

Guys

I think vet is the best class for shock mauls

We get free rending and got tons of

Ranged weapons that kill bosses

While the zealots

[tall torrent]

Terrifying barrage is just bad, don’t bother

[fleet thicket]

Really rely on their melee weapon for their boss's damage imo

Shock maul is way better on us than them cuz of this

[tall torrent]

Why do u need rending on shock maul

[fleet thicket]

Unyielding damage

But I was just using it as example main thing is

Our range weapon and our ammo

Economy

[hearty panther]

shmaul is funny

[fleet thicket]

Is just better for us to take range weapons to kill bosses im saying

[lusty sapphire]

Eh depends. They have a very nice ranged backstab build on stealth

[fleet thicket]

Plus also I think shock maul is very defensive weapon

So its better on us cuz of that

And we get alot of finnese shit

And shock mauls are finnese weapons

[hearty panther]

shmaul is like

can be built to one tap heavy bruisers

[lusty sapphire]

Smaul is just good

[fleet thicket]

Rather than just pure crit build like zealots for example

Or raw damage out put

[hearty panther]

but its s funny weapon because damn near everything will die in 2-3 attacks

[fleet thicket]

With their martyrdom build

[hearty panther]

regardless of blessings snd stuff

er perks sorry

so attack speed is really

[tall torrent]

I think you’re really misunderstanding things

[hearty panther]

sorta the best thing

[fleet thicket]

Oh I know duelist but

Our right side tree has perfect synergy

With shock mauls

And few other stuff like left sides weakspot damage

[tall torrent]

U should really check how much more Dmg you’re getting out of rending

[fleet thicket]

thats just 1 example again

its not much

only 10% more

cuz you doing about 90% damage to unyielding enemies

but most weapons do like 200%

against unyielding D

[hearty panther]

this is napkin stuff tho

[fleet thicket]

xD

[hearty panther]

cause practically, nothing actually changes

[fleet thicket]

I JUST use a shotgun

[hearty panther]

vet can heavy 1 tap bruisers in the head with precision and desperado and thats it

[fleet thicket]

for them

[hearty panther]

thats the only real BP you pull from it iirc

the tree i mean, in general

probably crusher and bulwark shit but i cant say cause i was doin zealot last time

so its really all about skullcrusher and high voltage

one swing, standard damage. second swing, 65% extra damage

105% on the third. most things are already dead

really the best thing about the shmaul for the vet is VoC

free skullcrusher applicator

[fleet thicket]

also about shockmaul

ehm so you kno how no respite works?

it applies its maximum damage on shotguns XD

[hearty panther]

ye

you can do the funny

[fleet thicket]

when you use your shock maul special

you two tap bulwakrs and 1 tap

reapers

[hearty panther]

can peak it at 180% damage

[fleet thicket]

with shock maul and lawbringer XD

[hearty panther]

with just skullc and nores

[fleet thicket]

shotguns are like made to be use with shockmauls honestly

[thorn lark]

that means nothing, i can top boss dmg with my zealot or my psyker or my ogryn... it depends on the loadout

[tall torrent]

What

[fleet thicket]

combat axe

[tall torrent]

What

[fleet thicket]

yeah combat axe got insane unyielding damge man

[tall torrent]

I don’t get why you need rending strikes for shock maul if for the sole purpose of boss dmg

U have other tools

[hearty panther]

and it definitely will always suck for boss damage

[tall torrent]

Exactly

[lusty sapphire]

What do you guys think it's best for stamina replenishment, duck n dive or target down?

[hearty panther]

stam regen nodes

[tall torrent]

Stam regen delay nodes

[lusty sapphire]

I'm asking in the context of deadshot builds

[hearty panther]

still is tbh

the other two can feed you while spending the stamina

[lusty sapphire]

So the delay reduction?

[hearty panther]

but those nodes are forever

[tall torrent]

Stam regen delay reduction is one of the best things u can have in this game

Very few builds don’t benefit from it

[hearty panther]

i am a certified stamina addict

[fleet thicket]

DUDE

why you arguing

this point?

like

i just gave that as a example

of our tools

[hearty panther]

is poopy tho

[fleet thicket]

compare to zealot

[tall torrent]

Because it sucks for boss dmg regardless of what you’re trying to do with it so rending strikes isn’t really necessary

[fleet thicket]

my main point was

we got ranged weapons

better suited

for that task

[lusty sapphire]

What do you think of something like this? Altough reaching that far right for both duck and the delay might be a useless cost

[tall torrent]

What weapons is this build for

[lusty sapphire]

I'm trying it on a recon 7 first

and then on my sniper bolter ( with a few tweaks)

[tall torrent]

I think u should swap get back in the fight for catch a breath

Above survivalist

I also kinda don’t know why you’d drop grenade regen completely

And tbh if you’re already going exe stance I don’t rly see a reason for deadshot most of the time?

[lusty sapphire]

Just for shits and giggles

I know they are strong

Like obscenely so

But you know. Gotta try some stupid stuff every once in a while

I could just go for something that guarantess me a win, but I want to see how much I can squeeze out of focusing the talents on the range

[somber axle]

Deadshot and Exe can be funny for Lasguns with Shock Trooper but you probably want Target Down to offset the stamina loss

[tall torrent]

I mean, u could play that way

That’s up to u

[somber axle]

Duck and Dive is a good way to help Deadshot drain if you like pushing to the frontline and dodging enemy fire

[tall torrent]

I just wouldn’t recommend anything close to that

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa is ok with Deadshot tbh

Probably the Recon that is easiest to use with it

The others are a much higher fire rate

[fleet thicket]

OH

i forgot

[lusty sapphire]

I'll switch it around a bit after trying in game

[tall torrent]

It’s ok it’s just not worth sacrificing grenade regen for

[fleet thicket]

krak greande too XD

[somber axle]

Even triple Stam curios will eat through your whole Stam bar on a Recon Mk VId

[lusty sapphire]

That's why I'm trying it out

[somber axle]

Deadshot + Headhunter and Shock Trooper becomes very funny for ammo economy

[lusty sapphire]

Infinite ammo glitch

[somber axle]

Both Stam regen delay nodes must feel really good though

[lusty sapphire]

I will beat the allegations of recon users sucking the map dry of any bullets

[somber axle]

Maybe overkill but also hilariously comfortable for instantly restarting Stam regen anytime you're not blocking, dodging, aiming down sights, etc.

[thorn lark]

as a surgical bolter + target focus user i agree completely

it's so much better than going deadshot + marksman

[marble mantle]

Wait for the end

Also mmmmmmm satisfying

[fleet thicket]

also sorry i didnt want to sound so confrontational just wanted to say we make better use out of shock maul than zealots

[tall torrent]

I’m not rly sure abt this because zealot’s +stagger talents actually change some stagger breakpoints

[marble mantle]

It’s vet chat if you’re not angry you’re in the wrong place

I walk through puddles wearing socks so I can be mad about having wet socks

[fleet thicket]

the weakspot?

[fleet thicket]

the one that gives 50% more staggger?

[lusty sapphire]

Where do I send this to fs?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[lusty sapphire]

Everyone died, spawned at spawn

[tall torrent]

FS forums

[fleet thicket]

btw guys

you know the IAGs

do they make diffference which class to sue them on?

[tall torrent]

All 3 classes use them well

[fleet thicket]

do they have peference on which one is teh best?

like for vet?

i know i heard colombus is the best on vet?

[serene bough]

columnus is just the best hands down

[fleet thicket]

yeah but the ammo economy....

[serene bough]

unless youre mag dumping hordes its easy to manage

[pastel yew]

I mean one benefit of shockmaul on vet is also that like

its sorta just fine without much support

which lets you really stack into ranged

though mk6 does a better job of that

shockmaul less blessing reliant I guess

[tall torrent]

Is good

[tall torrent]

Not rly it only has like 3 good blessings

[pastel yew]

I mean just a well statted one with perks seems fine is more my point

it brings nice util

compared to like a power sword which needs its blessings to not be worthless

[lusty sapphire]

@tall torrent predictably so that build was pretty rough on a recon. Too much pushing, sprinting and dodging in melee to take advantage of it

That said, target down on bolter allows for easy oneshots on almost all elites and with target down that means infinite stamina replenishment for deadshot So something good came out of it

[bright sparrow]

Can anyone summarize what the top vet builds are? When i look around online i see lots of builds discussed, but a lot of this stuff is probably not up to date.

[gilded rock]

Whatever is fun for you

jk anyway plasma and revolver are widely agreed to be overtuned, same with Columnus IAG

[bright sparrow]

You had me there for a second 😅

[gilded rock]

I mean everything in the game is viable tbf (depending on how you build it) so it really is a matter of whatever you want

[bright sparrow]

Hehe yeah I do know that. But I don't want to run a badly optimized talent tree just because I don't have time to read and understand it all, ya know?
In the past i haven't enjoyed plasma but liked revolver. Def gonna try columnus IAG. Always liked autoguns but they weren't great when I was last playing.
I played a lot of lasgun in the past too of course.

What talent tree is good for columnus IAG?

[clear lantern]

any

[lusty sapphire]

This for example will work with almost whatever weapons loadout you bring into the match

[gilded rock]

I'm not home so I can't give you screenshots for a patchwork build to be relatively optimized, but there are many, many goodies at the bottom of the tree

[clear lantern]

the IAG does have accuacy falloff at long ranges because of its recoil holding down the trigger; so don't expect it to hit the ranges a helbore or agrippina or vraks will hit.

[gilded rock]

Weapon Specialist also works pretty nicely with CIAG

[bright sparrow]

Ah that looks a lot like what I've already got from when the new talent tree stuff came out last year or whenever it was.

[lusty sapphire]

This is my heavy duty quickplay workhorse

If you can't carry pubs with that amount of cc, nades and utilities then nothing can

[clear lantern]

I use it with a middle and right build; commando can get you really close to rip

[bright sparrow]

Oh i have a much greater challenge on my plate. I have to carry my noob friends who just picked up the game for the first time 😆

[gilded rock]

Because of CIAG's lower range, getting always prepared under WS and the node to the side of it that restores toughness when you trigger WS can be great for clearing the gap to gunners or even just for survival

[gilded rock]

make sure they get +xp on their curios at any chance they can

[lusty sapphire]

Then this is perfect. I took the node for 5% ranged dmg but you could repurpose it for more utility. Either covering fire or born leader

[bright sparrow]

Yeah if I can help replenish their toughness that'll be a good build to help them level. The goal is basically for me to carry them on a higher diff than they normally could manage to get them caught up faster.

Thanks for the help everyone

[tall torrent]

Would make several tweaks on that build personally

[lusty sapphire]

Teach me

[tall torrent]

Azreal has a pretty good build template

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1262900244018888704/image.png?ex=66999881&is=66984701&hm=23a7caf2a81f575d8bf69ba33b156e61146b79834f7e920ae83f51406520453b&

[tall torrent]

8 stacks is the worst subnode for FT
Most weapons don’t need longshot & volley adept
Field improv is nice but not necessary usually
Not sure why you took krak then spec 1 point into 5% ranged dmg

Not taking melee talents whatsoever is pretty niche

[lean bloom]

are those bad blessings??

[tall torrent]

Gets hot is good, shattering isn’t

[lean bloom]

Volatile is good?

[tall torrent]

No, get blaze away or gloryhunter

[torn gorge]

that bug has been around for ages

[somber axle]

I vaguely remember someone saying Blaze Away may be a more helpful option now after Longshot was changed

[lusty sapphire]

Oh yeah, 8 stacks was a mistake, made it on my phone so the website is finnicky. For the rest I agree although field improv helps a lot with pubs, like A LOT I tell you. Having on demand kraks if you're left alone or giving you a bit more hp when there's 3 tox bombers gnawing away at your wounds. Longhsot and volley adepts are preference. And the 5% node is a floating point to repurpose for whatever you feel like it

[pastel yew]

vet has a massive variety of good builds currently

outside of the outliers

they're in a well balanced state

not many options are just objectively shit

[bright sparrow]

I assume 8 stacks is bad because you rarely are going to wait for it to stack up that much?

[pastel yew]

the only benefit of 8 stacks is that big of extra toughness but... for one point you could definitely be getting that elsewhere

[pastel yew]

overkill

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah I usually take redirect fire

[pastel yew]

I cant think of anything that wont die for 5 stacks

but will for 8

like it's a very narrow band of health

which means all 8 stacks does is make the other node which gets you toughness slightly better, and make your boss dps better

niche

[tall torrent]

8 stacks is bad because the best way to use FT is to tag everything u see and 8 stacks doesn’t interact with it at all

[tall torrent]

Only at start of fight for target down, and only if you purposefully save stacks to ping boss

[pastel yew]

if you tag and kill its what... 6 seconds to get to 5

and then 12 seconds to get to 8

long ass time

[bright sparrow]

Makes sense.

[pastel yew]

it's not a big deal to save stacks for boss really

[tall torrent]

If u kill an enemy u tag within 2s, u get refunded 1 stack (to have 2)

[pastel yew]

given their spawns are so consistent

[tall torrent]

It’s generally better to tag smth first, get a kill to get redirect stacks up then save

If you’re gonna save stacks at all

[pastel yew]

even doing that the 8 stacks is useless as

redirect runs out before you get to 8

since its only 10 seconds

[idle swallow]

I've only ever done 8 stacks for karnak twins

[pastel yew]

depends though I don't find my self spam pinging with the weapons I use

unless its plasmagun

[stiff glacier]

Man do i hate how point investment heavy vets keystones are compared to others

[tall torrent]

Even for Karnak twins it’s down to point economy

[tall torrent]

Not rly tho?

[lusty sapphire]

I've done 8 in mini-bosses maelstrom a couple of times. But other than that in other games you will never go up to 8 if not at the start of a fight

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean... there are a lot of taxes in vet tree

so if you don't want to path through a shit aura

then its the big sad

[lusty sapphire]

You lose so much dps waiting for stacks

[tall torrent]

What’s point heavy about veteran keystones

[pastel yew]

the bottoms of the trees are already so stacked with good stuff

I feel like the vast majority of good vet nodes are just in the bottom of the skill tree

if I want to take the good stuff

and fun stuff

normally its the keystone getting dropped unless its necessary

[tall torrent]

The keystones themselves take 1~2 points to be good compared to other classes where it’s 2~5 depending on the keystone

[pastel yew]

focus target is the last bad one for it though

given usually thats just 1 point sink

[lusty sapphire]

Idk. I mean yeah sure but they focus on 3 things, melee, raw dmg and weakspot dmg. You can balance out or forcus on one of those

[pastel yew]

weapon specialist is a pretty hard commit

though a lot of the nodes there are good too

[bright sparrow]

What is generally a good curio config?

[pastel yew]

personal preference

I run double toughness, stamina

[tall torrent]

Get >200 health, 20% sniper resist, everything else is up to u

[lusty sapphire]

Health/toughness/stam depending on melee

[pastel yew]

but one health means you have health if you get sniped

on one wound

[radiant chasm]

1 +3 stam, 1 21% hp, 1 17% tough

[pastel yew]

I mean like you can see

its personal pref

[pastel yew]

the best for math is

but if you arent going to get sniped

it doesnt matter

pick what you enjoy

though toughness > health outside of that

[lusty sapphire]

Just dodge

[pastel yew]

so true

[tall torrent]

If u wanna optimize it’s just >200 health and 20% sniper resist being hard requirement

[radiant chasm]

I feel vets and psykers minimum

Need one hp curio

[pastel yew]

its just optimizing for something that should never happen

[bright sparrow]

How do I see how much health I currently have?

[radiant chasm]

Meat grinder

Also called psykanium

[lusty sapphire]

poxwalker blocks you "Calculated hp dmg, how am I supposed to feel excited playing otherwise"

[tall torrent]

Should never happen ≠ never happens

And it’s not a hard requirement at all

[pastel yew]

the only time I get hit by snipers is when my dodge turns into a jump

I really need to

unbind jump

and have space as dedicated dodge

and then it would just never happen

[radiant chasm]

Snipers have the highest bullshit to damage ratio

[tall torrent]

“Just don’t get hit” is as pointless of an argument as “just headshot”

There aren’t much better things u can get anyways

200+ health and one single 20% sniper resist is not a hard requirement at all

[radiant chasm]

Plus if you take the minor stams and toughness, one sniper is good value

[pastel yew]

I consider it just personal pref

I like stacking toughness

[lusty sapphire]

Is vaulting and jumping the same input or can we keep vault/dodge on spacebar and get a separate jump?

[pastel yew]

as it lets me play more aggressively

and a stam lets me run about

[tall torrent]

Vault is same input as jump

[pastel yew]

unsure you'd have to check

I think you can set a dedicated dodge bind though

I've just not done it because the times it fuck you are so rare

[lusty sapphire]

So close to greatness

[tall torrent]

U can still get 200+ toughness while reaching 200+ health and 20% sniper resist

[stiff glacier]

I like to have 200 or bit over it hp and 170-190 toughness

[pastel yew]

moreeeeeeeeeeeeeee toughness

lets me get slapped

while fighting

[stiff glacier]

Unless its some very spesific build that doesnt allow for it

[pastel yew]

I just ignore shitters usually if I'm killing something

I've been a convert though like

I'm enjoying the +stamina curio

I always sorta saw it as worthless as blocking is a meme

but its nice to have

[tall torrent]

+stam is nice it just reduces ur curio perk options

[stiff glacier]

I only today realized how durable almost pure right side of tree zealot is even with just 120 toughness

[pastel yew]

zealot in general is just durable

no matter how they're built

[stiff glacier]

But still

[pastel yew]

zealot should almost always be the last to die

[stiff glacier]

I clealry have build zealot wrong for long time

[tall torrent]

Have u done the maths on if that extra toughness above 200 actually helps considerably for minimizing chip dmg

[somber axle]

I mean you can technically reach >200 HP on one HP curio but you need HP perks on all curios to do it and one of the 5% HP talents will also help give you extra breathing room to accomodate for chip damage (having both is silly and probably unrealistic for most builds since the first 5% HP is under Exhil/Longshot and the second is under Krak and I really only ever take both HP nodes on a Kantrael Infantry Lasgun build tbh)

So your other two curios can be stam or toughness, and you could double down on toughness by going HP, 2 toughness and meet all the important HP breakpoints while having more staying power in fights

[pastel yew]

no, just personal feeling and needing more toughness when I int

toughness does also help with regaining

[lusty sapphire]

Gives a couple of extra blocks, a couple of extra pushes. Stam was the best vet investment since month 2 of the game for me

[tall torrent]

Ok so just placebo

[pastel yew]

since they're always % based

[somber axle]

2 HP curios just gives you more leeway on perk options for your curios

[stiff glacier]

I cant go below 200 hp anymore

[tall torrent]

It’s not really extra pushes, extra pushes is what stam regen delay boost gives

[lyric dock]

On most vet builds I hover around 209 toughness and run the base HP

[somber axle]

and lets your talent tree be more flexible

[tall torrent]

Besides knife

[pastel yew]

maybe I should start running 3x 3 stamina

maybe this is the way

infinite deadshot, infinite sprint

[tall torrent]

That’s just meme build

[lyric dock]

As I do 2 17% toughness and +3 stamina

[lusty sapphire]

Are pushes % based?

[stiff glacier]

I was gunpsyker with like 180 hp and felt like i died to single club from poxwalkie

[somber axle]

I have done this and it is a very funny life but objectively survivability is better with toughness and HP curios

even just one of either is a major game changer

[pastel yew]

if I take damage its a skill issue

I just need to improve

[placid portal]

Full HP Vets when the Hound bumps into them

[pastel yew]

and tbf the game is way too easy in current state so the only way to get that stress is probably to run meme shit like that

[tall torrent]

Push is stamina bar based, it’s just that if u review ur own melee gameplay footage you’ll see that you’re on low stam most of the time so the +stam don’t really translate to “more pushes” in combat

[somber axle]

sometimes damage is just unavoidable

ai director likes to be extra silly

[pastel yew]

nothing worse... I stack as much max health on zealot as I can for that on death healing since I find it funny

[lyric dock]

Congrats on getting to that skill level.

[pastel yew]

you get grabbed by a dog

you're on the floor for minutes

horrid

[somber axle]

you'd have to be even sillier than the ai director to take the worst it can throw and come out without taking a single point of HP damage consistently

[pastel yew]

its a product of being terminally online ;-;

played way too much of the game

[somber axle]

like most people aim for double digit damage taken as a good metric for avoiding damage in a fight

[pastel yew]

imagine if I put my darktide hours into learning a fucking instrument

yikes

[tall torrent]

Double digit dmg in 1 fight is not good

[somber axle]

going completely 0 on damage taken sounds like a fun challenge but doing it ALL the time is a wild choice

[somber axle]

sorry I meant match LOL

my brain is fried from work and I just got home

[pastel yew]

damage taken is also a bad stat, like yeah you should avoid damage but

does it matter how much damage you take if you never die?

its sorta misleading

[stiff glacier]

Crusher flattening me from behind 3 bulwarks where i couldnt see it

[pastel yew]

if you take no damage, you arent leveraging your health as a resource

[tall torrent]

Double digit in 1 whole mission is somewhat luck based, it’s like 90% in ur control but 10% bs

[lyric dock]

Every 3 to 4 games as Vet I can get damageless run

Lot of it is being on point And being quite stabby with the helbore

[somber axle]

yeah sometimes it's just luck of the draw on what spawned, where it spawned, your position and if you're ready to react

[pastel yew]

the spawns are bugged again I think

I've not been lucky enough to see it myself but

[somber axle]

sometimes there's literally nothing you could have done to prevent damage hitting

[pastel yew]

I've seen loads of clips of like 40 gunners spawning

on the same spot

[stiff glacier]

Also dogs have gained extra cardio after patch

[lusty sapphire]

Ah in that sense. Gives a bigger pool to dip into at least tho. You reach the low end of it later, or not at all unless it's ragers most of the time. I will actually try to pay attention to it and check it out. I usually try to manage my stam not to be caught on the last 2 bars cause that spells disaster

[somber axle]

double their speed

make them FASTER

[pastel yew]

dogs are also the fucking worst

[stiff glacier]

They reach terminal velocity when dying

[pastel yew]

they can still insta pounce you

[somber axle]

give the dogs celerity stims in their food

[pastel yew]

bugged since launch

[stiff glacier]

Ive gotted pretty good at 1 tapping them during their pounce

[somber axle]

instant pounce is so funny because even if you're prepared to shove and instagib the hound they can sometimes still catch you LOL

[pastel yew]

why am I being thumbs downed I'm right! ;-;

[stiff glacier]

I dont even shove

Side dodge and heavy melee

[somber axle]

I always either dodge or shove

[lusty sapphire]

It happens when there's not enough space and they stop too close too you usually

I hate it

[pastel yew]

I've found it worst when they come around corners

[lusty sapphire]

I dread doorways cause that's when it happens more often

[somber axle]

if I hear the hound but don't see it I dodge instinctively and sometimes end up dodging parallel to the hound's pounce angle and get jumped anyway LOL

[pastel yew]

if I hear a dog coming around a corner I always make space to be safe because they can come around and insta dive

its not bad when you know it can happen but

its clearly a bug

[tall torrent]

Not exactly because most of the stamina use comes from sprinting so if u rly wanted to get more pushes between fights you build 3x 15% sprint efficiency instead (which is more efficient than +stam for most weapons)

[lusty sapphire]

Interesting, but I'll be honest it sounds like a meme

[pastel yew]

+stam is nice for deadshot though I admit thats a bit whatever for almost every weapon in the game

[tall torrent]

3x sprint efficiency is way better than most people give credit for

[pastel yew]

just slide

same speed

0 stam used or way more efficient

if you're psyker or vet with the stam nodes you dont lose any stamina while also moving the same speed

sprint efficiency should also give you some sprint speed

[tall torrent]

It’s a bit slower

[pastel yew]

I really don't think it is

the last time you said it was noticeably slower

and I timed it

9 seconds

[tall torrent]

And sprint efficiency just makes u use less stamina even when u sprint slide

[pastel yew]

for sprint and slide to go pillar to pillar

the only benefit of sprint in that case is that your movement isn't split into short lines

[somber axle]

Stam curios help for funny Deadshot builds to extend the number of shots you can make while ADS, improved blocking, improved sprinting, etc. but you need something to help offset the larger pool of stam to regen it quicker so Target Down, Stam Regen curio perks and Duck and Dive are all good options to keep stam healthy. Otherwise it just tends to be low during fights and your stam regen delay talents are just keeping it hovering between 0%-20% which isn't a game changer vs not having the stam curios to begin with

[pastel yew]

so you can have full turn maneuverability

which is sorta whatever

[tall torrent]

Did u time frame by frame

[pastel yew]

nah just a stop watch, but if its that close and the stamina you save is infinite

then over time it will still be faster

[somber axle]

personally I prefer at least one stam curio always

[pastel yew]

because you will never run out

[somber axle]

it's just a very nice quality of life improvement across the board for mobility and survivability

[tall torrent]

so it’s not accurate testing then

[pastel yew]

I mean if you want to pull it out and go be that accurate be my guest

but if running that distance is identical timed to the eye

and uses no stamina

I dont see any future where its not always just better to slide

unless you have some really high mobility weapon

[somber axle]

being able to sprint up to a downed squadmate and begin the rez without needing to clear the poxwalkers knowing they can just punch air and can't stop you from getting the revive is nice

no ability pop or grenade needed

[tall torrent]

When exactly did sliding get forbidden when u use sprint efficiency

[pastel yew]

slide lets you shoot while maintaining that speed, it breaks gunner tracking, it reduces the damage you take I believe

it uses no stamina

you cant shoot while sprinting usually

sprinting would have to be considerably faster to even be remotely better

[lusty sapphire]

Wish sliding was considered for run n gun

[pastel yew]

like the damage increase?

[lusty sapphire]

Yeah

[tall torrent]

I’ll record later when I’m home

[pastel yew]

that'd be cool

[somber axle]

does sliding maintain skirmisher buff?

[tall torrent]

It is a notable difference in speed, it’s just that with sprint efficiency u use even less stam in sprint/slide

[somber axle]

can you slide dodge into firing and hold the skirmisher buff longer?

[tall torrent]

There aren’t many curio perks better than sprint efficiency so idk why u wouldn’t

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514

I do also like stamina regeneration depending on what I'm using

[lusty sapphire]

Cause then you'd really have a useful use case for it like dodging backwards from a rager with your double barrel and blasting his face off

[tall torrent]

U can use both tho

[pastel yew]

it also feels super on theme for the blessing too

[pastel yew]

mhm yeah

[somber axle]

combat ability regen is also nice

[pastel yew]

like sprint efficiency isn't bad

I do still take it on high mobility weapons as

sliding constantly

[somber axle]

very worth for an Infiltrate Vet running Overwatch

[pastel yew]

is a bit much

[tall torrent]

200+ health and 20% sniper resist leaves u 8 curio perks open, u can run both

There’s no downside to it

[somber axle]

can't wait for locks to be removed

curios are going to be DELICIOUS

[lusty sapphire]

Instead of you know, running like an idiot towards a dangerous enemy. Approaching melee range with a ranged weapon

[tall torrent]

I have a 380 rating 78% dmg 78% SP plasma ready for that update lolol

[pastel yew]

no guts no glory, fuck em up

[lusty sapphire]

I tried it on a boltpistol

Run n gun I mean

[pastel yew]

I love it on the bolt pistol

I've got it on mine too

[somber axle]

I don't think anyone in the entire game is more ready for the crafting update than you are considering you have literally every single blessing of all tiers on every weapon pre-Secrets of the Machine God and MOST of the blessings for most tiers for most of the new weapons too

[pastel yew]

definitely one of those not the strongest but hella fun blessings

[lusty sapphire]

It's uh funny I guess

[pastel yew]

the game should have more of

[tall torrent]

Run & gun is very underrated because it has a hidden benefit

[pastel yew]

oh it does?

[tall torrent]

It makes ur sprint to fire time instant

[pastel yew]

ahh yeah I guess I can see that

its not a massive benefit but its nice

[lusty sapphire]

Of yeah there's no transition into getting ready to fire

[tall torrent]

It’s not stated in description

[lusty sapphire]

I can see that

[somber axle]

doesn't it also give close damage boost?

[tall torrent]

Yes

[somber axle]

what weapons even have it as an option?

[torn gorge]

run'n'gun helbore when?

[somber axle]

revolver I think but like what else

[lusty sapphire]

A lot of the assault weapons

[tall torrent]

Run & gun’s full boost is
-30% spread
Allow Hipfire while sprinting (instant sprint to fire)
Further -10% spread in sprint and +12% close dmg

[pastel yew]

the spread decrease is silly though its nice

it just should apply to when you arent sprinting

[somber axle]

OH THE SPREAD REDUCTION...

[tall torrent]

Revolver, DB shotgun, boltpistol, purgatus, trauma

[somber axle]

maybe Run n Gun is top tier for Boltpistol??

reduce that crazy shake

[pastel yew]

oh yeah I forget the psyker staffs can get it

[clear lantern]

fuck it Corruption Resistance (Grimoires) +20%

[lusty sapphire]

I wouldn't say that

[tall torrent]

It’s only spread

Not sway

[pastel yew]

its solid

but idk

[somber axle]

aw no sway? well ok I guess

[pastel yew]

most of the blessings on bolt pistol are fune

fine*

[tall torrent]

Boltpistol has a few good blessings and a few meme blessings

[somber axle]

I've run triple corruption resist and corruption resist (grimoire) before and it's hilarious how little grims do when you have them

[tall torrent]

Execution & lethal proximity are both meme tier

[coarse wolf]

i am in desperate need of a good early game build for vet. tried everything i can think of but it's just
all shit

[somber axle]

your faith in the emperor is so absolute that the deepest, darkest corruption can't pierce your heart or your HP pool

you're immune

LOL

[gilded rock]

How to tactically obliterate your teammates' health

[lusty sapphire]

How point blank is the point blank for lethal proximity, do you know anything about it?

[clear lantern]

pickup the 2nd grim and look at the psyker without any curios go from 2 wounds to .75 wounds and greybox

[tall torrent]

3x +10% experience
3x 20% chance to get curio instead of weapon as emperor’s gift
1x 20% sniper resist
2x grimoire resist

[somber axle]

triple 21% HP curios, +5% HP perks on all, 15% corruption resist on all, 15% corruption resist (grimoires) on all then run a mission with grims and put both books in your teeth

[lusty sapphire]

How early

[coarse wolf]

level 18

[somber axle]

your team will suffer and be upset you are not suffering with them

[pastel yew]

I forgot corruption resist was even an option

what a meme

[clear lantern]

I'm too pure for this shit world

[somber axle]

...wait if you did this with a Zealot who has that aura reducing corruption you might be able to like run 2 grims and just eat no corruption damage ever LMFAO

[coarse wolf]

that's bullying

[pastel yew]

get xp on all of your curios

so you arent in shit level forever

[somber axle]

my heart is PURE, heretic
HOW BOUT YOURS?

[gilded rock]

I take one general corruption resist for the sole reason that I don't want a poxburster to instantly kill me on my first down

[tall torrent]

Corruption resist is not horrible it’s just also not necessary most of the time

[coarse wolf]

maniacal laughter

[gilded rock]

I have yet to see if that works yet

[clear lantern]

psyker is downed and instantly dies everytime due to corruption

[tall torrent]

That’s not how it works sorry

[pastel yew]

I just can't really think of a time it'd be good

I guess if you're doing full grims

and no wounds

but like

eh

[somber axle]

silent single poxburster obliterating the psyker from behind

[clear lantern]

This is the way

[coarse wolf]

runnin it

[gilded rock]

I assume the single reason I can die with 0 corruption on first down from a poxburster is because the corruption damage is calculated first, no?

[tall torrent]

No

Poxburster does 100 dmg

Depending on ur distance from blast center

[pastel yew]

uhh.... then I guess honestly probably just grab whatever weapon has the highest damage stat at any time you can see it

[tall torrent]

U get either 50 corruption (center) or 35 (edge)

Corruption fills missing health before damaging health

[pastel yew]

the fact that people in auric still can't reliably deal with poxbursters

will never not amaze me

[tall torrent]

If you’re at 1 wound with <100 health, doesn’t matter how much corruption resist u have, u will die in 1 hit

[pastel yew]

you think someone will deal with the pox approaching from behind and then everyone gets blown up

[clear lantern]

I had someone push a poxbuster towards me for the first time last night.

[pastel yew]

because they wanted to keep shooting poxwalkers with their gun

[tall torrent]

The only way u can survive it is to make your total health be above 200

[coarse wolf]

bursters just explode randomly sometimes tbh

[pastel yew]

push it back, poxburster ping ping

funniest shit

worst game of hot potato, everyone gets hit

on doors they do

but not running about

[clear lantern]

I didn't react fast enough because I didn't think they aimed it towards me.

[pastel yew]

never stand near doors honestly its bait

[somber axle]

imagine triple +21% HP curios, triple +5% HP perks, triple 15% corruption resistance on an Ogryn standing in coherency aura range of a Zealot with corruption reduction aura just inhaling a pox cloud and literally watching it do nothing

[fading yarrow]

Is this worth trying to salvage? I'm currently running a XIIIg with 68 d, 78 f, 80 s, 80 m, 74 p, Rampage and Savage Sweep

[gilded rock]

The whole point of what I'm saying is that I've been 1-down-deathed by bursters with no wounds missing at all and no corruption taken with almost full health

[pastel yew]

does corruption damage not scale with your max hp?

[clear lantern]

running through all the Karnak mines on purpose just to freebase the pox gas

[pastel yew]

jesus.. how

[coarse wolf]

isn't mobility the dump stat on that?

[somber axle]

if you hear a ticking burster but don't see it, and someone is near a door, don't even stand near them because they're probably about to eat shit and this doesn't have to be an all you can eat shit buffet

[lusty sapphire]

Something like this. You want nades and tactical awareness, everything else is sprinkles on top of your cupcake

[tall torrent]

If it didn’t send out flying out of the map idk how that can happen

[gilded rock]

You and me both 😭

[lusty sapphire]

Shout should keep you out of most trouble too

[gilded rock]

It has happened multiple times

[clear lantern]

even in Heresy+ you have at least 2 wounds, so a single pox without corruption won't outright kill you

[coarse wolf]

tyty

[somber axle]

time to hotbox the pox clouds in front of a pox bomber just to flex on them

can we get a difficulty above Damnation

that reduces wounds to 1

[coarse wolf]

that's what auric should be tbh

didn't post a link you DUMBASS

[clear lantern]

I'm sure we'll have some equivalent to "Onslaught T3" or whatever it is on Vermintide 2 that they run those tourneys on

[fading yarrow]

I believe so but I'm not sure, thus my asking

[pastel yew]

I love seeing vets with 3 +1 wound curios in auric

level 200+

[coarse wolf]

grab it either way tbh, i dont use those like, at all but 79 all the way around with mob dump is peak

[pastel yew]

I wish to understand these creatures

[somber axle]

Apocalypse Difficulty
Minimum Wounds reduced to 1
Higher enemy HP pools
More elite and special spawns
More patrols
All enemy types do increased damage
Shooter/Gunner nerfs reverted for this difficulty
Barrels do increased damage to players

[tall torrent]

6 wound ogryn

[pastel yew]

[clear lantern]

they might think that +wound is really +HP due to not understanding the system

[pastel yew]

but there always such high level like

[tall torrent]

I’ve seen zealots have 7 wounds but actually not using martyrdom

[pastel yew]

it must be done intentionally as a meme

[somber axle]

when I first started the game I assumed every wound curio added +50 HP so like yeah LOL

[clear lantern]

kind of irrelevant

[lusty sapphire]

I already know the match will be shit when I meet one of 'em "potential hp" ogryns

[pastel yew]

that was me for a bit or.. not quite 7

as the only curios I had were +1 wound

at the time

[clear lantern]

I have a zealot spec that's like 8-9W

one of those "hurting me only makes me angrier" specs

[tall torrent]

Lv273 zealot with 7 wounds but not using martyr

[gilded rock]

I misremembered, it was corruption and not missing health so that's probably why, but point stands that 1 corruption resist absolutely would have saved me here

[pastel yew]

they must know like

it must be bait

theres no way its not like

[tall torrent]

Corruption resist still wouldn’t have saved u

[pastel yew]

hundreds of hours and no idea... its not possible

[tall torrent]

Because it was 2 bursters

See the killfeed

[pastel yew]

LMFAO

game really did not want you to live

thats so rough

[lusty sapphire]

What's the most ridiculous burster spawn feed y'all ever seen

[gilded rock]

DAMN never noticed that

[tall torrent]

That’s 150 total dmg (50 corruption + 50 dmg first, 50 corruption + 50 dmg second, total 100 corruption + 50 dmg)

[lusty sapphire]

Mine is ×18 bursters spawned

[pastel yew]

it was already on the ground too

thats the best part

[gilded rock]

It's happened with 1 before tho so I'll keep my silly lil corruption resist

[tall torrent]

So you’re still better off with 200+ health

U rly just can’t go wrong with 200+ health

[gilded rock]

I'll just pick up a +5% or two if I think I need it

[pastel yew]

cant go wrong with just

more health and toughess ever

its never a bad thing to have more

just live juice

[tall torrent]

2 health + 1 toughness, get both +25 toughness nodes

You can get to 190 toughness

Although tbh u don’t really need that much most of the time

Most builds get to around 163

[coarse wolf]

even with that build it's literally one thing touches me and i die

why is early game vet so SHIT

every other class has something useful early on

[tall torrent]

Are u using voice of command

[coarse wolf]

yep

[gilded rock]

Boy do I have a clip about VoC and bursters

[tall torrent]

What are u getting hit by

[clear lantern]

getting bounced around with multiple bursters like the ending to Meet Joe Black

[thorn lark]

that happened to me more than once when copying a loadout and forgetting about changing curios

[clear lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-wreck-destroyed-joe-black-meet-joe-black-gif-17777331

[coarse wolf]

literally just bruisers

[gilded rock]

VoC is fair and balanced

[pastel yew]

feel like playing darktide >> pick build >> queue in >> reach first drop down >> already enemies are jumping around from connectivity issues

alt f4

maybe one day this game wont be awful ;-;

[coarse wolf]

swapping to dclaw and praying now

[tall torrent]

DC sword is pretty bad vs bruisers

[coarse wolf]

anything is better than what i had

[lusty sapphire]

The combat axes are generally pretty good if you take advantage of the push attacks

[tall torrent]

What did u have

[coarse wolf]

rashad mk2

[lusty sapphire]

Oh

[tall torrent]

Did u have brutal momentum

[coarse wolf]

that a blessing?

[tall torrent]

Yea

[lusty sapphire]

Yes

[coarse wolf]

i did not

[tall torrent]

Rashad is a very simple weapon

It’s either the best melee in the game

Or the worst melee in the game

U have to have BM on it to make it function properly

[lusty sapphire]

Usually it's the best cause it's very easy to build a good rashad

Or at least decent

[tall torrent]

It’s one of the hardest weapons to build

4 stat requirement, 1 perk & both blessings

[faint beacon]

But when you get it, its really fucking overpowered

[lusty sapphire]

The stats are not that hard t roll and you can get away with some lower pen. After that you just need whatever bromentum the game gives you and you then get headtake and the perk

Or uh am I that deep into gambling that I don't notice anymore

Btw why does first target even exist as a stat

[radiant chasm]

For the first target hit

[lusty sapphire]

Stupid ass stat.

Literally just a secondary dmg multiplier

[tall torrent]

It’s still harder to roll than like every other weapon in the game lol

[marble mantle]

What to change?

Straight from melky

I’m assuming both perks?

[clear lantern]

give to hadron, obtain blessing

[marble mantle]

Why

[clear lantern]

to obtain blessing

[crimson pebble]

So i have an idea might be uttery busted but its a indea regardless so in borderlands 3 theirs a character you can play named zane and each character has 4 perk tree and an ability that goes w the tree and they get a grenade slot except zane he has the ability to forgo his grenade slot in place of having two different activation abilities maybe could implement for vet or other classes

[mortal horizon]

anyway to make this work or is it rip

is execution trash?

[left zephyr]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[mortal horizon]

i could go puncture +lethal prox maybe? t3 puncture tho seems like a decent sized downgrade

[crimson pebble]

Lethal proximity doesnt proc the puncture

I run mine w surgical and then either puncture or deadly accurate w maniac and flak

[mortal horizon]

wtf lol YOU HAD ONE JOB

[crimson pebble]

You would think thats how it works but

[mortal horizon]

surgical zzzz, im gonna use it with weapon specialist so i dont really need crit i dont think

also im so sick of thatb lessing haha

i get it if its just the best one tho

is execution trash?

ya, true

[crimson pebble]

Vets ability to give a generous amount of crits is bolt pistols only saving grace at anything higher then heresy imo also specialist still gives like a 33% crit chance on gun stacks

[mortal horizon]

isnt fully stacked weapon specialist 100% crit or nah?

when you swap

the tool tip says 33% per stack

so it should be 100% after 3-4 stacks right?

only 1 shot but

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[crimson pebble]

If your not running bolt pistol w exe stance then surgical and deadshot are a requirement imo

[thorn lark]

who cares about bps anyway, game is playable with grey weapons

we should value fun more

i am serious, if the weapon is fun and interesting...

it's fine to reach for bps as a minigame

[marble mantle]

I’m with you g

I use what I wanna use

How I wanna use it

[thorn lark]

like, what should i do with this and that to reacht that result

that is valid

but that should not be the priority before fun

it's a game...

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[thorn lark]

i'd rather use that energy on my personal finances

[thorn lark]

perks and blessings?

[crimson pebble]

Feed the shark

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[thorn lark]

it would have been so much better on the lawbringer tho

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[thorn lark]

but yeah bleed and flame is funny

i would go flechette + manstopper tho

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[thorn lark]

nah it's ok to play around

it's just that flamer shot is not infinite now...

[crimson pebble]

No fun allowed

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[coral willow]

flechette?

idk

kinda sucks if you wanna spam the flame shots

scattershot is good with it

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[crimson pebble]

What if kickback got manstopper

[coral willow]

i used it

switched over to manstopper

and due to stupid cleave it burns waaay more targets

:/

[coral willow]

surgical manstopper would be creamy

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[crimson pebble]

Not the word id use but go on

[coral willow]

how much cleave kickback has anyway?

feel like its usually enough to decimate hordes lol

worth buying?

or is it bricked cause 1/4

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[faint beacon]

I Dont know why Auric matches

have been nothing but complete busts

[clear lantern]

frags?

get +grenade, +grenade regen +improved grenades, and +double grande%

[faint beacon]

for the past 4 matches

nothing but back to back wipes

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[clear lantern]

so stick mostly down the first line and extend outward for that, and get call instead?

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[tame lodge]

4 more Krak kills and I can go back to not having a Krak addiction

[tall torrent]

U start by dropping both

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[midnight totem]

I hear that, all my games on psyker this week have been busts

[faint beacon]

*5

I feel like im a person trying to bug abuse with the amount of just

leaving im doing cause of the wipe after wipes

hell I literally just got off to watch videos and chill for a bit

I already have the A.S.S title I just never use it

[midnight totem]

Well

If you want to play with me

I'm up for a game

[tame lodge]

No more Krak for me

[faint beacon]

Probably taking an hour break to be blunt and let some games Download, Downloading Black Ops 3 to play Zombies again and also Outlast Trials cause my friends have been harassing me about that seeing it got updated

I do appreciate the offer

[tame lodge]

I swear they changed something about that penance, I didn't remember having 400+ Krak kills

[faint beacon]

Could be bugged?...

which is a blessing imo

[coral willow]

bad on your part to expect pubs otherwise

[faint beacon]

shit is so painful

[faint beacon]

I swear pubs are a coin toss of

get good players

or want to physically rip your eyes out

[tame lodge]

500 for some ugly pants

Stonks

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-the-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-mandalorian-i-have-spoken-baby-yoda-gif-24159898

[faint beacon]

Ogryn's Penances imo

are the Krak ones just except easier to do cause its literally "Play The Game"

except

dump a shit ton of hours into it to actually finish

Probably the most tedious to do next to Vets Krak penance

[thorn lark]

Ogryn's penances were so tedious

Only the mf penance was on the same level

[faint beacon]

Its literally just

Do your job

[austere mica]

MF penance was pretty easy with a build for it

[faint beacon]

except dump STUPID amounts of hours into it to actually finish

I figured a way to absolutely "cheese" the MF penance

[thorn lark]

Imagine having 4 characters

[faint beacon]

called always crouch

use knife

and side dodge

[rigid pilot]

It was pretty tedious but I'm still playing way after finishing all of them sooo

[austere mica]

You can also use a Lawbringer and not hate yourself

[thorn lark]

I resorted to plasma to get it

[rigid pilot]

Or just use powersword?

[faint beacon]

Yeah Im fully finished penance wise

[faint beacon]

Knife is more reliable for the sole purpose of you will always stay at 10 stacks

if you're doing the old strat

back when MF was

really bad

and immediately decayed

[rigid pilot]

Just stand still and pee