veteran-class

[torn gorge]

at least in the lore

[uncut pebble]

Before minimum arming distance, they are essentially just giant metal slugs moving at mach-fuck.

[hollow hinge]

Its rocket propelled

[gilded wraith]

Crit chance to maniac, Ghost 1 to Ghost 4?

[uncut pebble]

Technically it's more accurate to say the rounds are like gyrojet rounds, because bolters don't discard any sheathing/casing after their fuel is burnt.

[faint beacon]

Yeah hence I said Gyro rounds cause I wasn’t sure if that’s what we called em

[uncut pebble]

But in function, they are basically mag-fed rpg's.

Minimum arming distance for an explosive payload, rocket propelled, etc.

[faint beacon]

The bullets themselves are rather interesting as well seeing they penetrate first before detonating

[uncut pebble]

I mean, we use ammunition like that irl.

I think they're called a raufus round?

[faint beacon]

I recall something like that

[uncut pebble]

Anti material rifle bullets that pierce walls and detonate on the other side.

[faint beacon]

I know bombs like bunker busters are a similar concept where they don’t detonate till a few seconds after penetrating

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, we applied that technology to anti material rifle bullets.

Makes cover become useless.

Can't exactly hide behind anything if I can essentially hand deliver a frag grenade 2 inches next to you through the wall you're hiding behind.

Bolters, though, I don't think penetrate hard targets.

[tall torrent]

[uncut pebble]

I think they detonate on impact of anything they're shot at.

[gilded wraith]

She's purdy!

[uncut pebble]

Maybe they have different payloads/ammo types I'm not aware of?

[faint beacon]

I recall they don’t detonate until they either hit Carapace or Power Armor cause it isn’t extremely effective against it (our human one’s at least)

But their whole thing is pierce target, once inside detonate

[uncut pebble]

Yknow what kinda bothers me?

In rogue trader, the standard carapace armor is light armor, but the standard flak armor is medium armor.

But in darktide, it's the exact opposite.

Carapace being the heavy armor and flak being the light armor.

[orchid tartan]

Yeah but

Isn't carapace harder and stronger because it has layers

[radiant chasm]

yes, this

[orchid tartan]

in lore I mean

[radiant chasm]

people think the bolter is anti armor in lore, it isn't, not the base rounds anyways

it was specifically meant for killing rebellious squishy humans and squishy xenos

[ornate garnet]

In tabletop flak is the lowest. Necromunda at least, which is the closest game i know to darktide

[faint beacon]

Yeah I recall there’s different bolters and ammo for them suited for different purposes

I’m a bit of a heavy Bolter enjoyer cause I always like anything resembling an MG lmao

[gilded wraith]

Gonna try the new ILas Mk 4 out with this build and a nice Rashad

[radiant chasm]

AP bolter rounds had an issue in lore i forgot

was it tech heresy or forgotten tech

[ornate garnet]

Are heavy bolters meant to shoot bigger targets like ogryns?

[radiant chasm]

heavy bolters are meant to be carried by larger forces, IE space marines and ogryns

nothing to do against their target

bolter works vs armor but the base rounds are not meant to handle armor first

[ornate garnet]

Well thats boring but makes sense

[torn gorge]

heavy bolters offer simply higher volume of fire

[stiff glacier]

If it was vengeance rounds i think they risked blowing up inside the gun when firing

[tall torrent]

Take supppression immunity instead of deadshot
And for Rashad u kinda want CQKZ + desperado

[torn gorge]

similar to how youd use an lmg in a squad

compared to peers running an assault rifle

[faint beacon]

With the amount of shit the Admech considers heresy and will skin anyone alive over for even considering making something new I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Tech Heresy

[gilded wraith]

That works, I was trying to make use of the stamina procs on Duck and Dive, but not sure it's worth the investment in Deadshot

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth for mg4

[gilded wraith]

Drains the stamina too quickly?

[pseudo fiber]

Hadron don't completely fuck me over now.

[tall torrent]

No it’s just not rly worth it

[faint beacon]

May the Omnissiah bless this weapon

[gilded wraith]

Gotcha, so Ghost is defensive, not playing on the Duck and Dive synergy

[pseudo fiber]

It has not.

[faint beacon]

Weeps

[tall torrent]

You’re much better off making Rashad kill everything (which it’s very capable of) and just make MG4 a super versatile anti-special high sustain gun

Cuz that’s what MG4 is

[faint beacon]

Sprint efficiency

Hadron really hates you

[pseudo fiber]

I got places to be

[heavy rover]

You could probably save it by swapping speedload to dumdum or infernus and sprint efficiency with Crit chance

[torn gorge]

or you can just leave it in the inventory

for when the itemisation rework will happen

[faint beacon]

True

[heavy rover]

That too

[faint beacon]

What I suggest

I rolled a complete brick 380 rashart II on my Zealot

[marble mantle]

Any way I can optimize these better? Feels like I’m not dealing with hordes very well. Dealing with specials and elites is going great, and bossing is definitely okay, but dealing with like large amounts of ads is feeling slow.

[faint beacon]

But I’m holding onto it for the rework

[heavy rover]

Oh crap... I've been selling my old weapons

[pseudo fiber]

I hold onto all good rolls

stat rolls

[torn gorge]

i mean you have a knife, dont expect to delete hordes

[faint beacon]

To start do smokes, uncanny on knife is your Cara killer

[torn gorge]

[heavy rover]

Sacrificed my good 378 power sword roll to get power cycle

[faint beacon]

I can toss you a vid when I’m home to show off how you can butcher crushers with an uncanny knife

[heavy rover]

It was a difficult decision

[marble mantle]

Sure right but worth the ask.

Also I’m not dead set on a ranged wep I’ve just been switching it up

[torn gorge]

if you wanna retain horde clear invest in frag grenades

while holding a knife

[marble mantle]

Oh it’s ez I’ve been doing it

[faint beacon]

Okay hear me out

[radiant chasm]

all knives are gonna struggle a bit in horde clear speed

[faint beacon]

Spam lights at head level

[marble mantle]

Okay that makes sense

[gilded wraith]

Better? @tall torrent

[radiant chasm]

it's mk6 not mk3

[marble mantle]

For horde?

[radiant chasm]

you need to use your sweeping heavies with mk6

[torn gorge]

L1H2

[marble mantle]

That’ll save me points too tbh

[tall torrent]

Why do u need both stam regen delay nodes

[torn gorge]

PA dopamine

ofc

[radiant chasm]

cause it's funny /hj

[tall torrent]

Yea but Rashad doesn’t rly need it

U should get ogryn Dmg & WS tbh

[radiant chasm]

rashad push attacks are integral to handling buffed dreg ragers imo

[gilded wraith]

Habit, gets me to a point where I can regen stamina while slide dodging for movement without running out.

[tall torrent]

I don’t think u need shock trooper on MG4 honestly

Would also consider dropping stuff in starter

Just grab close order -> CK -> +stam

Or forego close order

[uncut pebble]

THEY MAKE TOO MANY FRIGGIN BULLETS FOR BOLTERS HOLY CRAP

[radiant chasm]

rashad push attack isn't a big damage tool, but it's a better stagger tool than yuor special when it's not a 1v1

[uncut pebble]

There's like 4 types of ammunition that all do the same thing.

[gilded wraith]

Regular group I run with has 2 gunkers.... was trying to minimize ammo needs.

[tall torrent]

Yes but u only rly need to use PA for ragers & dense hordes

[uncut pebble]

There's like, airburst rounds, anti necron rounds, acid rounds, thermobaric rounds, some particularly nasty ones that have to be hand made and hand loaded, but are basically APFSDS tank shells...

There's a lot of bolter ammunition types.

[marble mantle]

There any good range weapons for horde/sniping? I know those are two very different things but the only stuff I’m missing are those 2

[tall torrent]

What melee are u using

[uncut pebble]

Horde, take recon mk7, sniping, take helbore.

[marble mantle]

Mk6 knife

[tall torrent]

Why are u struggling against horde then

Knife is one of the safest weapons in this game

[marble mantle]

Not struggling, just feels slow

[muted knot]

Well it aint ogryn clear

But its still great

[tall torrent]

If u want horde clear, the DB shotgun is alr

But honestly ranged weapon for horde kinda just isn’t a thing for non-psyker classes

[marble mantle]

Yeah makes sense

I’ll prob just take helbore, running agile eng already anyway

[torn gorge]

and even on psyker you are just better off shrieking or sailing instead

keep in mind that helbore guns are heavy commitment weapons

as they take a lot of time to draw

[marble mantle]

Yeah that’s not a huge issue for me tbh

[faint beacon]

Helbore on Knife based build is definitely a testament of patience

[torn gorge]

and because they have a bayo you are generally better using them as your main weapon

with a melee as a pocket/defensive tool

[marble mantle]

Makes sense

Will do some thinking

[tall torrent]

U could prob run knife + laspistol

[torn gorge]

if you want more flexibility in your weapon uptime then id say mg1a/aiag/HH are better

[tall torrent]

FT keystone

[torn gorge]

assuming you dont wanna do plasma/revolver thing

[tall torrent]

Knife benefits more from FT than WS

The +Dmg helps more

[marble mantle]

I have the heavy laspistol, how do you feel about it? The kantrael?

[tall torrent]

I’m a certified Kantrael Laspistol hater

[torn gorge]

worse than the faster firing one

[tall torrent]

[marble mantle]

Honestly I don’t really like it either

[torn gorge]

technically better range i believe?

[marble mantle]

It feels slow and pretty weak

But I have one

[torn gorge]

worse dps and worse blessing interaction

[marble mantle]

Anyone got a video of the other one doing something notable? I don’t have one yet so I can’t really test it

[tall torrent]

Well, laspistol mk2 is like top 5 best ranged weapon for vet so

[marble mantle]

Oh damn okay

[torn gorge]

not just vet

its even better on the other 2 classes

[marble mantle]

What perks/blessings?

[tall torrent]

Ghost + dum dum

[faint beacon]

Path you’ll hate me cause i unironically enjoy the MkX on my toughness battery build

[marble mantle]

Oh okay bet

[gilded wraith]

Dropped close order and shock troop and worked down to Bring It Down. I'll try it out tonight.

[marble mantle]

Specific perks or nah?

[tall torrent]

It’s fine I just don’t like mk10 Laspistol

[faint beacon]

I’m just saying borderline infinite ammo and constantly regenerating toughness is hilarious

[pseudo fiber]

the boltpistol filled the niche I'd want the mkx to fill personally

[torn gorge]

of being unusable and mid at best in terms of output?

[tall torrent]

It’s not that bad lol

Boltpistol is just finicky in Dmg breakpoints

And kinda bugged (?) in recoil & sway

[pastel yew]

honestly the only breakpoint on the boltpistol I feel is shit are the ones on infested

[pseudo fiber]

could always be the kourk stubber

:(

[pastel yew]

everything else is "fine"

5 body shots to kill a dog.. 2 headshots

[torn gorge]

hence why the current use case is to hit the broad side of a barn at mid range

[pastel yew]

te recoil and sway is definitely bugged though, it teleports around

[tall torrent]

The hard part is Dreg gunner

[torn gorge]

before having to bandaid sway and what not with ES/DS

[pastel yew]

story of my life

the worst breakpoint in the game for the guns I pick out it seems

[pastel yew]

or unaim

and reaim

[tall torrent]

No it’s just generally finicky for 1 tap weapons

[pastel yew]

mhm and thats what I use

mostly

at least

I do think the bolt pistol with exec stance or deadshot is significantly better though

not having to deal with the buggy sway is a massive aid

nothing is more frustrating than missing shots because when you ads your sight starts in a different place than your crosshair, or when you line up a follow up shot and your sight literally teleports

[tame lodge]

Frickin ads cancel

[pastel yew]

god it looks so stupid when you do it too

the gun spasms

but its the only way to stop your aim from teleporting consistently so...

[pseudo fiber]

+1 on deadshot boltpistol

[pastel yew]

don't worry though! the bolt gun has the same issue and the bugged aim has been marked as acknowledged

like.. over a year ago

you think that'd be a prio fix before releasing another one but hey ho

[tall torrent]

The main downside of exe boltpistol compared to exe Boltgun is that

Exe Boltgun 1 taps a lot of things on bodyshot

Exe boltpistol still needs headshot

[pseudo fiber]

The only decent emperor's gift I think I've ever gotten

(Didn't say good)

Another in the save for update pile

I know it's a mk3 I wanna try the sunder buffs

[faint beacon]

I think it’s bad I unironically enjoy the MKIII

[pseudo fiber]

no?

which tactical nuclear warhead do you prefer? In the end they're both nukes lmfao

[faint beacon]

MKIII makes me feel like I’m using a heavy ass sword imo

[somber axle]

The only upside to Exe Boltpistol is that it can consistently hit a breakpoint that Exe Boltgun cannot. And only in a very specific build with a very tight breakpoint. You can 1 shot Crusher heads on crit weakspot hit with Deadly Accurate, Marksman's Focus and some rending

But then like you have to maintain 10+ stacks and Chink in their Armour to hit that

And you need 78%+ Damage, Deadly Accurate IV, Surgical IV and Carapace perk to make that consistent on top of all the funny Marksman's Focus stack juggling, Exe Stance and taking both Rending Strikes and Chink in their Armour to hit it

Boltgun needing to kill a Crusher in 2 shots isn't a big deal though and it definitely has both the higher mag capacity and the higher reserve ammo to do it

[tall torrent]

Yea no that breakpoint is irrelevant to me

[somber axle]

So Boltgun is just generally more comfy

The Boltpistol 1HKO Crusher breakpoint is just too hyper conditional to matter but I mention it only because it's legitimately the only thing I've discovered so far that Boltpistol has an edge over Boltgun for (aside from better reload, better swap, etc.)

[pastel yew]

I didn't actually know that

again though I feel like headshotting isn't hard in this game

outside of enemies that are moving perpendicular to you

they're all quite slow

[somber axle]

Btw as far as my clown science testing went it isn't possible to hit 1HKO Crusher without rending so Focus Target Boltpistol fails to reach the 1HKO

[pastel yew]

I do like the mobility the bolt pistol gives you though, it's a fun weapon

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes isn't enough

[tall torrent]

Headshots aren’t hard ≠ Bodyshots don’t happen

[pastel yew]

true though I find when I'm using a bolt weapon I am reaaaaaaaaally careful with my aim

because the shot recoils so fucked up

and then I miss... 6 times in a row

because I dont wait

impatience is a hell of a drug

[somber axle]

Exe Stance magdump full auto into a Burgle back with a Boltgun is one of the game's best feelings

[tall torrent]

Even on extremely good accuracy weapons like laspistol / plasma you’re prob not getting above 80% ranged weakspot accuracy

It just happens

[pastel yew]

exe stance full auto bolt gun in general is just a dope feeling

I do occassionally go full monkey when I'm using it to spray down gunner packs

[tall torrent]

I wish boltpistol had 10 rounds

[somber axle]

One day I want to arrange a full squad of Vets all going Boltgun for the meme

[pastel yew]

10 rounds would be nice

[somber axle]

We will bring Space Marine 2 here early

[pastel yew]

though honestly I kinda feel the same about both bolt weapons

they should have more shots in the mag

in the ttrpg the boltgun had 24 to a mag

which... I mean realistically wouldnt fit the model, which is maybe why they've changed it to 15?

[somber axle]

We're on par with Rogue Trader

[pastel yew]

theres also just no mechanical reason for the bolt reloasd to be so fuckin slow

[somber axle]

14 shots

[pastel yew]

they're not strong enough to justify the massive clunk they get added to them

[torn gorge]

cant really adhere to TT/rules either, otherwise bolter weapons would be just a flat upgrade over the likes of autoguns and lasguns

[somber axle]

I mean you can maintain Exe Stance with Boltgun and zero reload talents if you do the sprint tech to speed up the reload

But it's goofy

[hidden badge]

I wish Veteran was more fun and that the boltgun for example was more fluid, but I really play my Zealot (that's a fucking crit monster that gets stealth constantly) and infil veteran very similarly. Problem is, my Zealot is always better at that. So, I try to play VoC instead and backline as the Vet and just delete everything on the screen via the plasma rifle which is super effective, but fucking boring.

[pseudo fiber]

Meme boltpistol possible

[somber axle]

I never tested the collateral stat for stagger breakpoints

I should try it

[pastel yew]

honestly not a massive fan of lethal proximity

[pseudo fiber]

I switched to it because I didn't want it

[pastel yew]

I feel like if you were gonna take it it'd only be worth if you're hyper aggressive and take executioner too

[hidden badge]

I need to experiment with the shotgun more, but the bolt pistol is so mid that I basically forgot about it instantly

[pastel yew]

I do wanna try deadshot on a bolt pistol with surgical and deadly accurate

I still have not got the bleed blessing... I have every t4 blessing for the bolt pistol except that one -_-

[somber axle]

Does Lethal + Exe Stance make it possible to delete hordes in your face by hip firing point blank?

[hidden badge]

Honestly the las pistol is way the fuck better than the bolt pistol if you don't wanna zarona revolver it

[somber axle]

Maybe I should try a meme Boltpistol for horde clear...

[pastel yew]

lethal doesn't really do much or any damage

its a tiny tiny amount

like 50 damage I think ish

[hidden badge]

Bolt pistol's bleed blessing is kinda cool, but just do flechette with a shotgun

[odd sparrow]

bolt pistol is generally not very good. its mostly just for aesthetic

[pastel yew]

shotgun flechette got nerfed I think

the stacks got reduced

[faint beacon]

It did!

[hidden badge]

Yeah, it did, but that double barrel wiill at least kill 12 shotgunners in a row

[pastel yew]

also I like the bolt pistol, it's not great but it's okay

and in drip tide

[somber axle]

Let the clown drown until I can get my clown gown

[faint beacon]

Still want LP to be able to proc puncture you don’t understand how upsetting it was

[somber axle]

Clown costume when??

[faint beacon]

To learn about it

[hidden badge]

I really do honestly like the boltgun, but the grandma fucking up a hill covered in molasses swap speed drives me nuts and executioner stance is a terrible ability

[pastel yew]

lethal prox procing puncture would be really cool

[odd sparrow]

although even if that worked it would suck. 4 bleed stacks isnt even enough to kill a groaner

[pastel yew]

the fact that it doesn't is just sad

it makes so much sense for it to as well like

"oh no we can't have it proc people will run meme builds that kill poxwalkers mimimiimimim"

[somber axle]

Idk why they chose not to let Lethal Proximity and Puncture combo for funny horde clear when Lawbringer Shotgun can do it better and faster for less investment

Even if the bleed worked the targets would still need to bleed out vs Lawbringer Shotgun special with Manstopper deleting hordes instantly

[hidden badge]

Yeah, the shotguns aren't what I'd ever consider good, but they're also not worse than the bolt pistol. The double barrel at least does good damage too.

[somber axle]

I should do a new Darktide Vet weapons tier list

[pastel yew]

I'd rather use a bolt pistol than a shotgun though

I dislike not having a good ranged alternative

[hidden badge]

Just do las pistol which is actually good. Be a Commisar.

[pastel yew]

the shotguns aren't as punishing as a zealot because you still have throwing knives

las pistol hella fun

[hidden badge]

Las pistol is by far the best with my stealth zealot though since zealot stealth and crit seriously is bonkers

I wish they'd make veteran more mobile and fluid like that vs las rifle go brrrrr and plasma rifle go delete_everything_at_once.exe

[pastel yew]

wdym?

the mobility is the same for both

also vet gets stealth too ;p

[hidden badge]

Zealot is definitely faster. Check out the trees. If you run a crit knife build, you can get stealth down to like every 10 seconds or under with Zealot - it seriously is nuts.

[pastel yew]

yeah I think I still prefer vet stealth mechanically for the extra duration and other effects though

also weapon specialist gives the laspistol attack speed

krak grenades make up for its weakness to carapace outside of stabbing them to death

[tame lodge]

Tbf giving zealots the tools to close gaps make sense

[pseudo fiber]

yay non brick.

[hidden badge]

I do think vet is great as VoC, but its definitely the backline class. I usually pair focus with buffing toughness and stamina on every kill for the team too. You make auric maelstroms easy for eveyone doing that, but yeah it just is a very singular focus strength.

I generally just go plasma rifle these days and while I don't like the gun much, it allows me to take shredders for the now real prominent threat in the game which is packs of ragers. Melee is preference ultimately, but the standard shovel is hard to beat given the alternate attack stager get out of jail free card and the horde clear ability. Chaining single attacks is also pretty effective with the shovel for singular targets.

I would say I'm good with Veteran, but knife stealth Zealot gives me that crackhead dopamine influx which is just more fun. I also do all the objectives and act as the medic with Zealot so that's rewarding too.

[somber axle]

You can play Vet as a hyper aggressive frontline class too

Melee Vet with Weapon Specialist is unironically amazing

[hidden badge]

Sure, you can, but in all of my experiences running the two back to back - zealot just wins that

[pseudo fiber]

my problem with the shotgun I gotta be closer

[somber axle]

Vet is the most versatile class imo and you can very comfortably pull up a strong support backline role or play as the best damage dealer in the entire squad

[hidden badge]

BUT Veteran basically having a goddamn Ogryn grenade as a plasma rifle is beyond overpowered

[hidden badge]

Well that's the irony as I genuinely would say backline actually gives you the most damage and kill count too

Again, if I'm speccing VoC and focus? I get to just delete the Bulwark from a distance with my plasma rifle. No need for kraks.

If I know anything is on screen? I target it with the plasma rifle, press left click a few times (gets hot and blaze away) and it just dies. Snipers, bulwaks, trappers, crushers, maulers, waves of shotgunners, etc. Doesn't matter. Everything is dead. Funnel them into a chokepoint and keep blasting.

https://tenor.com/view/i-started-blasting-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-danny-devito-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-blasting-gif-24425727

[tame lodge]

Just plasma being too good, giving it a small chance of blowing regardless of charge would be funny

Scaling with heat of course

Or just venting insta breaking toughness

[hidden badge]

Technically it can, but the peril mechanic is even easier than Psyker which is still not difficult imo. Lag is your only real threat lol

[pastel yew]

imo weapon specialist rashad+zarona is currently just better at everything the zealot is trying to do

except tank

[hidden badge]

But what really pisses me off? The plasma rifle IS SO MUCH BETTER than the fucking boltgun and it gets an instant swap speed. What the fuck, Fatshark.

[tame lodge]

You only blow up if charging, which you don't need to at the moment

[pastel yew]

yeah the plasma is ridiculously op tho

remove like.. 50% of the bolt guns sway and recoil

and it's chilling

[tame lodge]

There are ways to nerfing plasma without tweaking damage/cleave
Just make it inconvenient

[pastel yew]

increase its heat generation

it currently gets of 8 insta kill any non ogryn shots

maybe lik 4-6 is a more balanced range

or maybe venting should be more difficult or costly

[somber axle]

Bring back HP damage on venting

[pastel yew]

nah because all that does is nerf the unskilled players

[hidden badge]

Plasma rifle works pretty well with wep specialist too. That makes it even more powerful if you use it selectively like that, but it is a little bit of a nuisance having to kill with melee too.

[somber axle]

Bring back explode on shooting uncharged shot at 100% heat too

[pastel yew]

the problem with weapon specialist plasma is that the breakpoints are a lot worse though

whereas if you run marksmans focus or focus target

you can one shot everything

[somber axle]

[pastel yew]

even ragers

[hidden badge]

Yeah, I find zarona revolver is best for that build, but you have to take krak which makes rager management not the best

[pastel yew]

mhm weapon specialist I swear is like

purpose made for the zarona

it's like they literally designed the keystone specifically for that weapon

its absurd

[hidden badge]

The zarona is also fucking broken like the plasma rifle though tbf lol

[pastel yew]

I only think its broken when you have specialist though

as that removes its downsides

aka long reload

[hidden badge]

Oh no, focus also makes it insane

[pastel yew]

also gives it free crits

yeah but that's not really imbalanced though as you have more down time

the reload is fairly punishing

[faint beacon]

Zarona with its insane cleave

[pastel yew]

but being able to just ignore that is intense

[tame lodge]

Make it so auto vent breaks toughness

[pastel yew]

now we're talking

100 to 0

[tame lodge]

Boom insta LMB nerf

[faint beacon]

Makes me envious with my HHAs

[pastel yew]

the head hunters should have cleave

its ridiculous they don't

[faint beacon]

I love those damn guns

[pastel yew]

they're so neglected

yeah I really like them too

[hidden badge]

Reloading the zarona is pretty second nature once you get used to it, but yeah it is a little management. The reload for the plasma rifle though is much more punishing.

[pastel yew]

its about time management

the reload for the plasma never happens in combat

the vent mechanic is what replaces it

[somber axle]

Increase the radius and the damage of exploding and make uncharged shots at 100% heat cause overload explosions. Poxburster build with triple wound curio time

[pastel yew]

so without weapon specialist you can partial reload both the zarona and plasma gun

but a single vent tap gets you two shots, whereas the zarona gets one

that's why WS boosts it so massively

[hidden badge]

Yep. Another reason why Zealot is bonkers (imo), you get to easily reload the revolver in stealth and probably have enough time to 100% crit headshot a specialist too

[pastel yew]

I wish they did stuff like that

build thats are objectively bad but

like... "here's a funny meme option"

[somber axle]

You can still do that it just isn't effective at doing anything LOL

[tall torrent]

Auto vent should just not be a thing

[pastel yew]

like puncture + lethal proximity

yeah removing auto vent would be a nice start

though its not a huge chaneg

[tall torrent]

Also, I checked how lethal proximity actually works

It just makes ur bolt arming work at all ranges

[hidden badge]

What auric maelstrom generally breaks down to in my experience is that you need a weapon with good pen. If you have two? Even better, but the trapper behind the mixed horde has to die.

[tall torrent]

Instead of 5m+

[somber axle]

Does it do actual damage worth toying with?

[pastel yew]

yeah the normal arming range isn't even that long

yeah 5m

it does increase the stagger aoe

which is like... worthless imo

lethal proximity is the most overhyped blessing

[tall torrent]

It’s not good

Meme tier blessing

[pastel yew]

I have no idea why people are so into it

[somber axle]

80% Collateral, Lethal Proximity and Exe Stance meme build

[pastel yew]

I guess its for the safety factor of like... quick swap stagger

[somber axle]

Hip fire mixed hordes into submission

[pastel yew]

but I don't value that much

[somber axle]

You will not kill them

But they will be so staggered!

[pastel yew]

cyber bullying poxwalkers

[somber axle]

Maybe it could be used for a funny Bulwark shield stagger meme

[hidden badge]

Supression is actually a way stronger mechanic than I used to think it was. Initally, I thought it was useless, but it can be very helpful for mixed hordes.

[hearty panther]

for a lot of builds you arent actually pulling any new breakpoints on the bistol with its blessings

just QoL

[pseudo fiber]

the real winner weapons of this patch are the shockmauls. so good

[hearty panther]

so strictly it really doesnt matter what you put on it, unless your build just happens to not reach those bps

[pastel yew]

just kill em

[hearty panther]

like if youre crazy fucking allergic to agile engagement for some reason

[pastel yew]

the only time I feel sad in mixed hordes is using the devils claw

some armored guy stops your cleave ;-;

aside from that I don't think its a massive deal

[hidden badge]

They're fun and the timed blocking blessing (it is really lenient and much more so than the devil claw parry) is great for ragers in your face

[faint beacon]

Thankfully they’re not shit, they’re just not that great vs what currently is the meta. Not going to stop me from devoting my life to using them lmao

[tall torrent]

Execution is pretty meme too considering it’s a 1-tap kind of gun

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I think the vraks 7 is still like high mid tier

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent bricked?

[tall torrent]

I guess u could lean into the bash -> quick Hipfire meme

[pastel yew]

it's usable it just has some pain points

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

Would take full bore tho

[fleet thicket]

no full bore though 😦

oh okay fullbore over no respite?

[faint beacon]

If we’re going like Letter rating it’s like High A low S, Vraks III A and Agri XI is probably B

[tall torrent]

Nah Vraks 7 is like top 5 veteran guns lol

[pastel yew]

you think?

[tall torrent]

Why wouldn’t it be

[faint beacon]

Vraks 7 overshadows the other variants is why

It’s really good

The other two are good or so-so

[pastel yew]

it doesn't really have a nice niche that it slots into, and I feel in proper builds other marksman weapons just outperform it or have other useful properties

[tall torrent]

It’s the best semi auto DMR in the game rn

[pastel yew]

like I'd say the bolt pistol is stronger than it

because it brings other ultility

at the cost of mag size I guess

[tall torrent]

That’s another pretty insane take

[pastel yew]

I'm full of those B)

[tall torrent]

Vraks 7 one shots both gunners and can 1 shot both flamer on Crit HS or get a quick 2 tap against them

[radiant chasm]

vraks 3 is my baby and I won't accept slander /j

[tall torrent]

Has the best semi auto firerate for 1 tap guns

[tame lodge]

Suppression is like second nature of some weapons
They keep enemies down but they also keep enemies down
The game also tells you to stop shooting at enemies taking cover

[pastel yew]

if Im taking a marksman weapon, I'm building it in such a way that I can one tap everything

so all that matters beyond that is what it brings

[tall torrent]

Like what, mauler?

[pastel yew]

and the vraks doesn't bring anything else aside from good recoil and good ammo count

[pastel yew]

not them ;p

[tall torrent]

Ragers?

[pastel yew]

depends on the gun

[tall torrent]

V7 one taps scab rager

[faint beacon]

I’m an unironic Agri XI enjoyer so I’m suffering

[pastel yew]

boltpistol my normal combo is melee swing into quickswap headsot

not effective

but incredibly cool looking

with the rashad their head always goes to the same place on hit

assuming they arent in combo

if they are it doesn't matter

[tall torrent]

Yea v7 outperforms boltpistol pretty heavily on WS

It’s not as finicky with breakpoints

[pastel yew]

there are some things I like more about the v7 though

the hipfire first shot accuracy is

extreme dopamine hit

[tall torrent]

Top 5 are Zarona, Columnus mk5, plasma, Vraks 7, Laspistol mk2

[pastel yew]

I also generally have a preference for weapons that don't rely on ADS

I definitely think the recons are better than the vraks as well though

just in terms of mobility and dps

they're nuts

I've seen a lot of people calling them mid and

I am so confused as to how someone could draw that conclusion

[tall torrent]

Dps not as good as v7

Recons are fun

[pastel yew]

under sterile ideal conditions?

nah

under actual play conditions?

for sure

the mobility and constant accuracy of the recons is a huge upside

[faint beacon]

Honestly what’s insane about the HHAs is their really damn good Finesse output

[pastel yew]

also exec stance into pin point laser beam head deleter is so fucking fun

the recons also have good boss dps where the vraks doesn't

though its not like boss dps is ever an issue for veteran

[tall torrent]

Ur comparing a gun that kills 4 gunners a second to a gun that just feels good

[radiant chasm]

sin

just pick a side fence sitter

[pastel yew]

thats an exaggeration

[faint beacon]

There’s a vid In here of the Agri XI just completely dropping a boss pathetically quick

[pastel yew]

yeah vet boss damage is super versatile

there are a lot of weapons

[faint beacon]

Fuck you I like my futuristic AN-94

[pastel yew]

and even if you don't wanna build for it just... take the mk6 power sword

and do absurd boss damage for literally 0 reason

silly weapon

[tall torrent]

If recon didn’t stagger on weakspot it’d be closer

[pastel yew]

most things are dead instantly

though I think how I run recons will be

very different to you

since I use exec stance and you really don't like that ability

its reassuring to be able to press one button and just instantly kill everything you can see

one change I do think would make exec stance nice (though this is only really a problem with the lower damage per shot weapons) is if you deal above x% of damage to a target then you refund your stacks

as I have noticed a few times someone will consistently last hit the things I'm killing, and knock me out of stance

[torn gorge]

wait wat

v7 HH is one of the silliest damage weapon if you hit weakspot on bosses

[pastel yew]

compared to what/

because its worse than the recons

its way way worse than the aggripina revolver

its worse than even the boltgun

boltgun boss damage is sick though

[faint beacon]

Our lord and savior finesse damage

[pastel yew]

all vet boss damage relies on weakspot hits really

outside of ping and kraks

I guess infernus doesn't but

that's slow

[tall torrent]

What

[pastel yew]

exec stance with the damage boosts on ability use + weakspot hits?

the damage is insane

[torn gorge]

i like the new narrative of recons being the boss killers now

[pastel yew]

also can be done while hipfiring and sliding around far more consisntely

[torn gorge]

[pastel yew]

not with every build for sure

[tall torrent]

Ok record and show me

[pastel yew]

waahhh I'd have to open the game

[hearty panther]

oh right tuesday

[pastel yew]

also the laspistol mk2

used to be so dope for boss damage on zealot

it wasnt vet numbers but

[faint beacon]

I mean they hurt on weak point hit if it’s consistent but they aren’t staple boss killers unsure where anyone is getting that from

[pastel yew]

with dash it was very reliable

[faint beacon]

Never change exploits

Come in here say something completely out of context

[pastel yew]

oh

steam servers are down

[tall torrent]

Go for it I wanna see what this recon boss Dmg is

[pastel yew]

its tuesday

[hearty panther]

its perfectly in context yall just cant keep up

see?

[faint beacon]

I’m at work I simply don’t have to suffer

[pastel yew]

will have to wait for steam to come back up

its maint day

[stiff glacier]

I kinda need to force myself into using headhunters

I hate forced burstfire weapons

[pastel yew]

if you have to force yourself... maybe they just arent for you?

[stiff glacier]

I want variety

[pastel yew]

the mk7 isnt burst fire

its semi auto

I'm also not a fan of forced burst weapons

[stiff glacier]

Yea mk7 is aight

[tall torrent]

What abt 2 & 7a

[pastel yew]

ty boss

[stiff glacier]

Single fire is not bad

[pastel yew]

does ... cleave matter for the boss?

[stiff glacier]

Altho i think issue with burst fires is how the firerate is capped

[pastel yew]

aaaaaa

[stiff glacier]

Like in insurgency i can just spam mouseclicks to compensate

[pastel yew]

I got confused given the context it was brought up

[faint beacon]

They’re good if you can do what every vet already should

Which is click on head

[pastel yew]

I don't massively care for cleave on automatic weapons

as the punishment for missing is a lot smaller

than like.. a random poxwalker eating your bolt shell

I prefer ammo efficiency and hipfire accuracy

though dps yeah

the dps is already so stacked on the accatrans though that I don't feel punished for taking them

it is?

on hipfire?

I was under the impression its hipfire accuracy wasn't great

[tiny summit]

I like ammo efficiency too. My efficiency at pissing away ammo with the shredder pistol at range

[pastel yew]

does it matter if you're killing everything instantly though?

like I agree that they're better dps

but we're optimising race car builds for city streets

[pseudo fiber]

steam is back btw

[pastel yew]

running with exec stance

they're dead almost immediately

yeah but everyone using the ciag is trash usually

you could outperform most auric players with far far worse weapons

[torn gorge]

ah yes the recon illuminati group

[hearty panther]

azrael wont post the scoreboard where i outdid everyone with a shmaul

dont trust him

[pastel yew]

hipefire accuracy and ammo efficiency

its the trade off

[hearty panther]

(i didnt)

[pastel yew]

you can use a recon lasgun literally all game

also hipfire is satisfying

yeah for sure, though they're not even in the same league as the infinite ammo gat

[stiff glacier]

I can attest to hipfire magdumps

Also can my friend

Moment he got columnus autogun he has used it nonstop

[pastel yew]

I do use the columnus on psyker still

rather than the recon

as the damage difference there does matter more for what I use it for

though admittedly I've not played gunker in a little while

[stiff glacier]

Agripina mk1

[umbral scaffold]

Recons still get slapped by IAGs in damage, but they do have great efficiency now

[hearty panther]

they no longer need 40 headshots to kill a flamer at 18m

[umbral scaffold]

Granted it's that Fatshark case of only being the case on vet

[hearty panther]

so that's nice i suppose

[pastel yew]

they are a lil rough still though

[umbral scaffold]

For psyker I'd 100% use an IAG

[pastel yew]

I take +maniacs for it as it's depressing to shoto them that much

dd is my favourite keystone

perhaps in like

the whole game

[umbral scaffold]

DD is cracked

[pastel yew]

nooooooo

[hearty panther]

xstance DD sheeeesh

[pastel yew]

I wish vet got something as cool but

DD with the voidstike is pure dopamine

[umbral scaffold]

Marksman focus sometimes feels like it should have some melee element to it

Maybe resetting stacks

[pastel yew]

that'd be nice

a lot of finesse scaling for the rashad tho

even then the rashad would still be better in ws for its insta crit gen

[umbral scaffold]

Psyker walks around with two keystones giving melee and ranged damage

Vet has one that's conditional

[pastel yew]

vet doesn't really need melee damage increases though

[umbral scaffold]

If you count attack speed, weapon specialist exists

[pastel yew]

it has enough in its tree already

and goated weapons

so attack speed is nice

[umbral scaffold]

Yeah, it has a lot of great passive stuff

[tall torrent]

Depends on weapon

A lot of them want melee side talents

[pastel yew]

yeah for sure but if we're looking at the upper tier I guess

[tall torrent]

Yea the upper tier

Rashad, wants right side melee stuff

Knife, wants right side melee stuff

[umbral scaffold]

I wish they removed attack speed passives from trees and just made weapons attack faster

[tall torrent]

Power sword, functions without them but scales hard with them

[pastel yew]

mk6 should probably have less base damage

no melee talents and you're still two shotting crushers with your animation cancelled charge

its a little silly

[tall torrent]

Power sword just needs to stop at desperado

And that’s good enough

Rashad goes deeper for atk speed

Knife also just stops at desperado usually

[pastel yew]

I dont think you need any melee boosts with the mk6

to two shot crushers

[umbral scaffold]

You need some

[tall torrent]

It functions without them

It still scales very absurdly high with them

Because PA > L4 has very high finesse scaling

[umbral scaffold]

I run 25% carapace on mine and still need some pushes

[pastel yew]

yeah but what are you scaling for? bosses?

[pastel yew]

the push attack into light should still kill them

the light that follows the push attack does significant damage

[tall torrent]

U can reach rager 2 hit and shotgunner 1 hit

[pastel yew]

I take 25% carapace I think

[tall torrent]

So u just swing once and kill 4 shotgunners casually

[pastel yew]

yeah though you're investing a lot of points for what could effectively just be.. a second swing

the empowered swing speed is really not slow at all

[tall torrent]

It’s not a lot of points it’s like 1~2 points most of the time

[pastel yew]

that's 1-2 points I could be putting in other things though

like funny grenade skills or

things that are just nice n niche

[tall torrent]

What’s the build where u can’t do both

[slow spade]

but bigger number

[tall torrent]

Besides Boltgun

[pastel yew]

vet snake build

sometimes i don't feel like being optimised

sometimes I feel like just taking everything I want

[tall torrent]

[pastel yew]

and the power sword is great for that as its just great out of the box

[tall torrent]

Ok u do u

For breakpoint sake idk what build where u can’t take both

Very few weapons need survivalist rn so you pretty much just automatically get the 10% melee Dmg on top right

[pastel yew]

yeah I do like just never needing ammo though

most pubs burn through every ammo box so

[marble mantle]

I keep getting teamed up with this guy that literally disconnects more than he plays

[pastel yew]

just not interacting with that side of the game is nice

[marble mantle]

Very annoying

[pastel yew]

no supperiority complex?

interesting

[slow spade]

funny times in PUBs

[tall torrent]

that seems more like a pub loot problem than an ammo economy problem

[slow spade]

meanwhile I just finished a round with this mouthbreather that kept thinking he was hot shit

[pastel yew]

I feel like most of what I'm killing are elite enemies usually

though I do think marksman is insane

I take it too

its 1 extra point

[marble mantle]

Right but it’s only for like 10 seconds after ability right?

Whereas complex is perpetual

[pastel yew]

yeah but your ability cooldown isn't that long

[tall torrent]

Depends on build but I get what ur saying

[pastel yew]

also marksman is great for high burst

[marble mantle]

Fair nuff

[pastel yew]

applies to bosses too which superiority doesn't

I think they're both good

[marble mantle]

Right

[pastel yew]

also with all the power boosts on ability press vet gets

exec stance is mcree ult

from overwatch

or uhh... cole cassidy

[slow spade]

oh I just looked at it

[pastel yew]

???????????????????????

[slow spade]

that's surprisingly good

[pastel yew]

wttf

[stiff glacier]

[tall torrent]

Close Dmg is a multiplicative step in calculating total Dmg

[pastel yew]

oh godd

WHHY

[slow spade]

changing all my builds to have both now

[marble mantle]

Felt like this went hard idk

[tall torrent]

And close range got buffed to 12.5m

[pastel yew]

I guess that's why vets boss damage is so silly

[tall torrent]

So u just get a flat x1.15 whenever CQKZ is up pretty much

[pastel yew]

the stab rush on the knife is dope

[tall torrent]

Decays from 12.5m to 30m

[marble mantle]

Makes me say ooh la la me likey

Knife gameplay is addictive (?)

[slow spade]

knife bad, power sword good UwU

[marble mantle]

I got bored with the power sword

[pastel yew]

power sword is definitely better but its nice to have variety

[slow spade]

blocked for wrong think

[pastel yew]

axe better with a proper build

[slow spade]

brb got to roll for power cycler 4 again

[pastel yew]

power cycler is such a stupid blessing

the way they nerfed the power sword made no sense

they just caved to community bitching

[marble mantle]

I wish it was just more.. like.. interesting though. We have chainswords, power weapons, shock mauls, and yet the best melee for vet is just… an axe

Just an ordinary axe

[slow spade]

yielded to the vets but not everyone complaining about crafting until like 1.5 years down the line

[slow spade]

power axe next update

[marble mantle]

I mean hell even the shitter scooper is more entertaining

[pastel yew]

I think the issue is more that the axe is too good at just everything

brutal momentum is a requirement

[marble mantle]

I mean that too

[pastel yew]

and yet its overtuned

theres no real way of balancing it

[slow spade]

brb removing brutal momentum

[tall torrent]

In the grimdark future of the 41st millenium, humanity’s best melee weapons are a hatchet and a fruit knife

[pastel yew]

yeah, I mean it shouldnt be competing for horde clear speeds with weapons where that is their whole niche

I really do not think the mk6 is that far behind the rashad though when it's got it's blessings

it also fills other niches

I mean that's the issue, it shouldnt be able to outperform the chainswords at regular horde clear

it's absurd

[marble mantle]

This is where I’m at rn for my knife/pistol build. Anything I should change?

Making minor tweaks here and there

[pastel yew]

I don't mind the axe having high single target damage but

it's like the mk4 dueling sword without... any of the weaknesses of that weapon

[tall torrent]

Why no low profile

[pastel yew]

the like mk12 or whatever its called

is good horde clear and

shit everything else

[marble mantle]

I remembered someone saying I shouldn’t use it but I can

[pastel yew]

but your melee weapons should be that trade off... you should be either good at single target damage, or good at group damage

[marble mantle]

Maybe that was for another build

[pastel yew]

better at one means worse at the other

the combat axes should just function like the dueling sword

dope anti elite, anti armor

really not great against plebs

they're not terrible

2-3 on a crusher isn't exactly bad

oh

balance reasons

[tall torrent]

Axe supposedly does a little better than a sword into armored enemies but it’s not blunt weapon tier in terms of anti-armor

[pastel yew]

they're not exactly agile or cleave in their presentation

which means they need to be strong at something else

single target damage

big weighty axe bonk

[marble mantle]

What should I change to put it on?

[pastel yew]

blunt weapons absolutely were good against armor no?

am I tripping... is everything I know a lie

[tall torrent]

Drop overwatch (?)
Drop demo stockpile, get demo team

[marble mantle]

Oh okay

[winter grove]

Where Hunter's Resolve

[pastel yew]

I mean big weighty blunt weapons are

but actual old hammers were tiny blunt weapons

[marble mantle]

Which one is that

[tall torrent]

Yea axe isn’t really a “good anti-Armor weapon” irl

[winter grove]

50% TDR on exiting infiltration

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean velocity is the main thing for force

mass plays a far smaller role

[marble mantle]

Oh, would I even need that if I’m running low profile?

[winter grove]

I mean

It's either one of those

[pastel yew]

also pressure means limiting area

so small is just better

smaller hit area, bigger swing speed

[marble mantle]

I have 1 extra point then

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure the only reason axe does a bit better than sword into Armor is because of a smaller contact surface (besides sword thrust)

[white minnow]

motherfucker named weight distribution

[pastel yew]

axe should get a better alt attack

like a mode switch that lets you use the spike

[tall torrent]

That too but I’m lazy

[winter grove]

Blunt weapons were meta against limbs

Oopsie daisy kinetic force

Fuck your leg

[tame lodge]

Is that a horseman's pick

[marble mantle]

I could take another stam regen delay reduction

[pastel yew]

plate armor was playing with cheat codes

rich bastards

literally

[umbral scaffold]

Hammers were mostly good against plate because you could bend it

[tall torrent]

Video games & anime made Armor seem like they did Jack shit

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean video game representation of a lot of things is cursed

I still pray for the day we get shotguns that don't do 0 damage

past 1m

[tall torrent]

I mostly blame anime for the “Armor does nothing” trope

[umbral scaffold]

It's not a magical recipe, but try breathing the same when your plate is caved into your chest

[frank basin]

We’ll call those plot armor

Better one

[winter grove]

Just reminder that plate armor stopped guns

[pastel yew]

the only armor that matters is that which covers vital areas.... like your boobs and crotch.... clearly wearing anything anywhere else is weighing you down

also anime armor DOES do nothing... because they always have a thigh gap

[frank basin]

Anime female armor just sex appeal lmao

[pastel yew]

literally, except it's not hot

[tall torrent]

Anime really made katana seem godlike weapons when they would legitimately do Jack shit to plate Armor

[frank basin]

Which is remind me the robot princess bubblegum

[pastel yew]

how come I saw a guy in a movie cut a dude in full armor in half without even drawing his sword then

[winter grove]

As if anything except niche tools did anything to plate

[pastel yew]

explain that

[tall torrent]

Blame anime

[marble mantle]

Marksman, surprise attack, SRDR, Duck and Dive, Agile Engagement, or Longshot?

Since I have a free point

[frank basin]

Red glowing katana from wierd orange spiky hair young boy

[pastel yew]

wtf is this -_- I just looked it up

[frank basin]

That cut armor like nothing

[frank basin]

Gta anime parody

[vivid parrot]

Guys i downloaded the game after like a year again. is there rly not any new content ? this is insane

[pastel yew]

theres new content

just not a lot

[winter grove]

New map and weapons

[pastel yew]

they're too busy abandoning the game to work on another console port

I mean

uhh

check back in october

[tall torrent]

Anime & TV theatrics really made people go insane about swords

[short vapor]

@old quail

[white minnow]

HAHAHA

[marble mantle]

Mmmmm power flail

[winter grove]

Spear is meta

Real life melee meta

[pastel yew]

spear is always meta

cheap, reliable, low skill

clearly your build is just shit B)

[tall torrent]

I believe in glaive/halberd supremacy

[pastel yew]

my chainsword kills everything on the screen

in one swing

doing the classic samurai move where I barely draw it an inch, before returning it back to being sheathed

and everything die

[winter grove]

Barely presses the rev button

Chaos marine drops cut in sushi slices

[short vapor]

Which was a done and settled discussion, unrelated to the wildly bold claim that knife of all things outdamages Chainsword for fodder.

[winter grove]

I still wonder how does chainswords and other chainsaw-like weapons pierce armor

Don't remember chainsaw irl cutting inches of steel

[tall torrent]

Power of friendship

[pseudo fiber]

It feels like it

[umbral scaffold]

THEY CALLED ME CRAZY WHEN I WAS USING KNIFE FOR HORDE CLEAR

[heavy rover]

they pierce because the user believes they pierce. in true Ork fashion

[umbral scaffold]

THEY LABELED ME A MADMAN

I WAS GOATED ALL ALONG

[pastel yew]

they've uhh... got strong motors.. and uh... strong teeth

[pastel yew]

space age chainsword teeth

[umbral scaffold]

Okay so

[pastel yew]

if we're gonna pull real physics into the equation

[winter grove]

You still are

[umbral scaffold]

Sawing the carapace isn't pulling you to the armor

[winter grove]

Taxes on top

[pastel yew]

dont look at the las weapons

and dont dare think about the thunder hammer

[umbral scaffold]

Sawing carapace with a chainsword is the sword trying to implode

[marble mantle]

Bye arms

[pastel yew]

zealots out here blowing their own arms off nuking a single crusher

[heavy rover]

that's why zealots never skip arm day

[umbral scaffold]

You need the shell to handle the grip of the teeth

[tall torrent]

Lore accurate zealot

[somber axle]

Carapace armour does not matter in this game's lore. A homeless man with a knife can stab an Ogryn in full Carapace armour to death in less than a second

Don't worry about how it works

[winter grove]

Imagine how much rejects clean their chainsaws

Since flesh yunno

Stays there

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

[heavy rover]

no that's additional toxic damage

[winter grove]

To user

[winter grove]

Rashad gaps the knife AND the chainsword

I win

[gilded rock]

bum friend making me play with him while he levels a new character instead of doing it on his own time before we play smh

[pastel yew]

real 😴 hours

honestly playing non auric is so dead

it feels just... empty

[gilded rock]

He's level 12 and the highest I'm taking him is a normal 5

[winter grove]

Bring him to auric

[short vapor]

I distinctly recall testing and showing what was ingame at the time and going "I was wrong". The bruiser performance was debatable compared to BM and Deathblow weapons. I don't quite remember what I did to get the numbers I initially argued, but it was a settled matter.

[pastel yew]

make sure he has all of his curios with +10% xp

or whatever it is

honestly it's mandatory to leveling characters without wanting to die

[white minnow]

+200% cleave mk4 sweeping heavy hits 10 dreg bruisers

[hearty panther]

that was so weird

i open my phone to a very random quote by me in an image box lmao

[short vapor]

What part of "I was wrong" do you not understand? I brought up wrong info, tested it, showed off the actual performance. Why would I be in the wrong for testing it proper and having conflicting info to something that was wrong?

[white minnow]

this is the statement that i'm responding to

[short vapor]

Am I suddenly not supposed to correct myself or something?

[white minnow]

i don't know if your standards are just weirdly high or what

i'll just say that it is not less than 50% damage

i will let you do the math yourself

[short vapor]

And in the first place, that was a settled matter on Chainsword performance vs. BM Caxe performance. One that I care not to retest as I'm pretty sure it's already been done enough. Now, Chainsword vs. KNIFE is an extremely different matter. Especially into fodder, which I'm pretty sure in the Chainsword vs. BM debacle was shown to be in Chainswords favor or at the very least extremely close based on build. What numbers are you seeing for Chainsword vs. Knife?

[tall torrent]

U guys gotta just start sending testing vids at this point

[hearty panther]

but how does this compare to the goatest, the taxe?

ugh, stupid mathematical limits

[slow spade]

I wonder what's the worst vet melee option

is it still the chainaxe?

[tall torrent]

I’m tempted to say DC1

[hearty panther]

... ps3?

[slow spade]

probably hordeclear as that's common use enough for melee

[short vapor]

What setup for each and what combo? I presume some kind of 50/50 fodder benchmark with Mk IV Chainsword SS/Ramp on H1 H2 L3 H3 vs. Mk III PA spam on some kind of bleed or haymaker setup?

[white minnow]

what is your hordeclear blessing setup for knife

and what combo to do on knife

[slow spade]

I never got a full understanding of the new chainaxe changes

good to hear they're better than DC1 c:

yeah it seemed like it got substantial boosts

I need more plasteel to go mess around with it sadly :c

[hearty panther]

chaxe4 lights are monstrous

[tall torrent]

In 3 months trust

[slow spade]

interesting to hear, I thought they're get stuck again

[slow spade]

true

[hearty panther]

the lights are always sticky now

[slow spade]

"needs some investment"

[hearty panther]

that sounds bad but thats what makes it work

[tall torrent]

“Minor talent investment”

[hearty panther]

and shredder damage tick is boosted by your buffs

so every light basically hits twice and stuns

[slow spade]

oh one of those things you got to test in training area to see if you hate it or not UwU

[hearty panther]

my lane is die, rager

[slow spade]

got it

was planning to fuck around with it once I got some more plasteel

[tall torrent]

U could, it’s pretty fun on zealot

[hearty panther]

probs better on zealot

[slow spade]

(bolt pistol drained me and I want some stockpile for the "crafting rework"

ah was thinking weapon specialist chainaxe would be best

Zealot time I suppose

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe can rev H1 kill crusher without crit or FotF so it’s just

Also u can light spam on elites

[slow spade]

wtf

interesting to hear

[short vapor]

yee Chaxe can just raw 1 shot all elites it's very funny.

[slow spade]

I knew its rev attack got a notable buff but damn

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s somehow just better than thunder hammer vs carapace

[slow spade]

poor thunder hammer :c

even after reworks and buffs, its still pain

[tall torrent]

EV15 can crit rev H1 overhead and kill crusher without FotF as well

Chainaxe doesn’t even need crit

A true weapon

[slow spade]

the Empeor provides 🙏

back to Plasteel farming for me :c

[tall torrent]

Also go for chainaxe 4

12 is not as good as 4

[slow spade]

got it

[tall torrent]

4 can light spam for safe single target Dmg

12 has to use heavy which comes out slower and doesn’t matter that much for dps vs elite groups

It’s just extra risk for no reason and horde clear is worse too

[slow spade]

oh boy I love those weapons that are just worse in practical use UwU

one day Graia will get its light in the sun too

[hearty panther]

chaxe is more sidearm than main

[tall torrent]

U also don’t have to play martyr on Chainaxes

[hearty panther]

which is weird to say but

[tall torrent]

Pretty sure IJ still hits crusher 1 tap

[slow spade]

recon + chaxe

as intended

[tall torrent]

So it’s not gonna turbo point tax ur build

[hearty panther]

its redeeming quality is push > light spamming

er sorry push attack light

and the one heavy revved or not fukken shreds

[tall torrent]

Chainaxe 4 + DB shotgun is a special kind of experience

[torn gorge]

you can just pull out the brauto

[umbral scaffold]

Homeless man fighting the crackheads for the right to wear used boots (don't ask about the last owner)

[torn gorge]

tbh

[tall torrent]

Not nearly as much style as DB shotgun

[torn gorge]

cant hear you over the rambo sounds there

[short vapor]

For PA spam it's a similar output, which is what I'm assuming based on a 40% difference. Arco is testing it so I was just trying to find what setup you used for that comparison.

[tall torrent]

@white minnow

[white minnow]

my name was unwittingly changed against my own will

[hearty panther]

(it wasnt)

[vague lintel]

you know the rules

[umbral scaffold]

The second half of the femboy duo

Leaker of Runescape screenshots in Unreal 5

[short vapor]

great Darktide player that's on-par w/ people like Crab for testing.

[hearty panther]

remember when the weapon modifiers were just like
Damage: [|||||| ]
no elaboration

[short vapor]

Also the founder of the DSi version of Darktide

[umbral scaffold]

As proclaimed in the Bavad Gita: I am now Arco, clicker of barrel

[hidden torrent]

Another W for pissfreak

[somber axle]

Wolfer had the Karnak Twins, Grendyl still has his crack team of homeless people ready to murder for no reward other than a "gift" they will immediately hand over to Hadron anyway

Homeless person earns 1 million dockets to spend it all on an outfit with desert camo to fight in an urban environment

[faint beacon]

Send in Crackhead 7, they’ll kill Wolfer quickly

[somber axle]

The only reason Wolfer still lives is because they can't land us close enough to kill him in 30-40 minutes

[faint beacon]

I highly doubt we’ll kill him unless it’s nearing the end of DT’s life cycle content wise

[umbral scaffold]

Homeless person spends 1 million dockets in white outfit

Ayo, someone pull that video I showed Crab where I headshot 3 enemies with a Vraks burst

[white minnow]

@formal lake. Testing was done on enemies stacked on top of each other. three videos: first is knife, then next two are chainsword with wrath + rampage and then just rampage

• knife was first measured when i saw a hitmarker and stopped when i saw "98" pop up, since the chainsword tests both spawned 98 for some reason consistently
• chainsword with wrath + rampage, i just started counting from the start of the recording
• chainsword with rampage, I started measuring from when it looked like the heavy was started, since i didn't have my on-screen inputs enabled
  https://streamable.com/wlhe9d
  https://streamable.com/nnvuqt
  https://streamable.com/d94gep

it's on zealot, but the chainswords had no damage talents besides backstab