veteran-class

[pastel yew]

the skill disparity is huge but generally their weapons are different... like with the human classes you can end up with some really tight breakpoints, but that seems to be less of a thing in ogryn given they're all about weight of fire and real big heavy swings already

like I feel the optimization you can do to a plasmagun build, is significantly higher than that of say... a gun lugger

[drowsy aspen]

Exactly. Additionally, Ogryns aren't as squishy, so small mistakes aren't as punished

[torpid grotto]

Its really funny how zealot chat is the only one thats majority off topic and spergy agressive arguments

[pastel yew]

also very fitting xd

[drowsy aspen]

True. And yet, I've never contributed half as much with a Plasma Gun as I have with a Heavy Stubber

[somber axle]

my brain is melting from work stress so I must pass, I need to chill today because my work place is hosting something really, really big this week

maybe after Tuesday

[pastel yew]

I have no idea how that could be true either you're an absolute demon with the heavy stubber or your plasmagun build is rough

[midnight totem]

Gotcha, gotcha. Gl on the work stuff!

[somber axle]

Thanks!

[drowsy aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

Have you played a lot of Achlys heavy stubber tho

IMO it's an S-tier weapon in the right hands

[torpid grotto]

Thats the fastest one right

[drowsy aspen]

There's no other weapon in the game that makes me feel like I can fight everything on screen

[winter grove]

Oh the ammo economy tho

[drowsy aspen]

Plasma Gun does ig - for about 4 shots

[winter grove]

[drowsy aspen]

...Yeaaaa I run a hybrid gunlugger for a reason

The shovel walks so the Stubber can run

...It's a fast walk though

[pastel yew]

makes me cry when I see ogryns shooting the poxwalkers but like... at the same time... lore... and it's funny... and I totally get it

[drowsy aspen]

Ogryn has pretty respectable melee no matter what you do

[drowsy aspen]

...Hold on, what?

Why would they...?

[pastel yew]

because its fun

[winter grove]

And then we have veteran with dclaws

Lmao

[pastel yew]

and lore because they're stupid and love firing their gun

even just to hear it go bang

[drowsy aspen]

That's true actually. I love shooting poxwalkers

And mixed hordes

[pastel yew]

the burn passive for the gunlugger ability is fucking

[drowsy aspen]

Maybe my Maelstrom brain has turned me away from the path of fun...

[pastel yew]

so satisfying

it deletes bosses even post nerf

[drowsy aspen]

✊ 😔

[drowsy aspen]

It got nerfed?

Probably for the best lol

[midnight totem]

anybody else up for aurics?

[pastel yew]

many many many moons ago

[drowsy aspen]

It's still fuckin great

ahhhh

[somber axle]

Achlys is fun but Gorgonum is my fav for just being a good weapon to deal with firing lines without needing a Gunlugger build

[drowsy aspen]

I've probably never used it pre-nerf then

[pastel yew]

nah boss 4 am

[midnight totem]

go to sleep bro

[drowsy aspen]

Yea Gorg rules

Sometimes I wonder why I took the Gorg

Then I see a group of 10 ragers

[midnight totem]

you can't kill enemies of the emperor on no sleep

[pastel yew]

is the gorg the really slow firing one

[thorn lark]

what is the problem with dclaws on vets?

[pastel yew]

?

[winter grove]

I got both achlys and gorgonum builds for ogryn

[drowsy aspen]

that quickly becomes a group of zero ragers

[drowsy aspen]

ye

[somber axle]

love Tauntgryn with shield time for dealing with most problems, then pulling out the Gorgonum when no one is dealing with the room full of shooters and gunners

[winter grove]

Outclassed

[midnight totem]

nothing, except those vets are usually bad and can't deal with armor

[pastel yew]

Insomnia unfortunately, gets a lot worse in summer time as it's hotter

I normally sleep in the winter with my window wide open because its the only thing that knocks me out

least we're getting to the tail end of summer now

[somber axle]

Dclaw parry is really fun but wow if your gun can't deal with Crushers you're probably going to struggle

[thorn lark]

well having no way to deal with armor... is well bad

[pastel yew]

the parry... CAN.. one shot crushers.. but it's no where near reliable

[thorn lark]

considering you have nades and 2 weapons

[somber axle]

if you grab kraks as your only solution to carapace, you will be hiding and praying someone else takes care of the crushers when you're out of kraks

[winter grove]

And having to rely on guns and nades to deal with armor is pretty bad

[pastel yew]

you just gotta make your kraks count

I had this great game with an ogryn

[winter grove]

Make your kraks count

[somber axle]

crusher pain trains of like 8 crushers at once are only going to get solved by a couple kraks if they clip into each other

[thorn lark]

armor is like, crushers

[pastel yew]

where I'd stick a krak to the first crusher... then he'd blast it consistently causing it to fall backwards into his friends and kill another one

[winter grove]

Wyd with 2 kraks

[pastel yew]

stick one to the first and then run up with my melee weapon to bait it into melee attacking

that locks it in place, the ones following are then closer and also get blown up

not massively consistent but there are a lot of situations you can do that

if I have points for it I usualy run +1 grenade too

[somber axle]

this is why I love running Recons with lots of rending to melt Crusher faces off

[pastel yew]

I love them so much.. they're too fun

[somber axle]

or Helbore Mk II funny times 2HKOing Crushers

having your melee ready to be a can opener is good, but being able to safely take them out before they close to melee is also very nice

especially if you can do it very cheaply for ammo spent

Helbore Mk II can do it and be ammo positive

both shots critting means no ammo spent and you get back ammo from surv aura

[pastel yew]

ohhh yeahhhh that reminds me

another reason vet tree needs another look at

vet still has one aura

[winter grove]

2

[somber axle]

even funnier if you happen to have a combat stim and pop it during Exe Stance to begin carving through Crusher squads

[winter grove]

Ammo and Speed

[pastel yew]

5% move speed is not that significant

[winter grove]

Yes it is

[pastel yew]

given theres literally a minor node not far above that that gives you 5% already too

[winter grove]

It's hell a lot of points saved

[pastel yew]

yes but that's it

[somber axle]

just get both speed talents and be FAST

[pastel yew]

you spend a point to downgrade your aura

for cheaper pathing

that isn't good design

[winter grove]

Because making survivalist WS is one way to having bad build

[pastel yew]

dont get me wrong

I agree with pathing through other auras

what I'm saying is that vet only has 1 aura that actually does anything

[winter grove]

Damage technically helps with some BP's

Esp if it's plasma

[pastel yew]

I don't really buy that honestly there are other ways that are more efficient

also unironically I think marksman keystone might be

like

[somber axle]

Fire Team is just also the most efficient pathing if you're going down Krak + Voice of Command

[pastel yew]

plasma gun's keystone

[somber axle]

otherwise you make a worm

worms are bad

[pastel yew]

we love worm

[winter grove]

I really wanna know when MF is better that WS or FT

[somber axle]

the only worm I love is Exe Stance + Smoke tbh

[pastel yew]

honestly I feel you could up the damage to 10% or.. probably better to just change it to do something else

[winter grove]

Like I use a lasgun build

And brother

MF wouldn't help it

At all

[pastel yew]

no it's only really good with weapons that are high one shot damage and need the extra boost to make some break points (like the plasmagun), or fully automatic weapons

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa benefit a lot from MF and Chink in their Armour + Rending Strikes imo

[pastel yew]

it might not be terrible on the vrakz 7

[somber axle]

and get WAY more benefit than you'd find from WS

[winter grove]

I am an ILAS fan

[somber axle]

WS is just kinda eh on the Recons

[pastel yew]

I haven't checked the numbers tho

[winter grove]

Stop trying to recruit me into recon cult

[somber axle]

Focus Target is ok for Recons though

Especially if you're going Target Down to feed Deadshot

[pastel yew]

I just don't take a keystone on my recon build tbh, though that isn't really optimised more just grabbing the things I want

I would go ft if I wanted to boost it

[somber axle]

but in my experience Marksman's Focus is just too good for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa

[pastel yew]

it just feels wrong

[somber axle]

very easy to get and maintain MF stacks and keep the extra 10% rending from CitA

[pastel yew]

like... it's meant to be an accurate marksman tree..

and yet the weapons it primarily benefits aren't either of those thingss

[somber axle]

you're already aiming heads for Headhunter and Shock Trooper synergy anyway so like why not double down?

[pastel yew]

you also have to path through a supnode to get marksman

[winter grove]

And yet my marksman build does it better keystoneless

Lmfao

[pastel yew]

yeah pretty much

[somber axle]

if you're not aiming heads or using Headhunter then like you're probably doing a fraction of the possible damage aiming bodyshots

[pastel yew]

the band at which marksman is good for the weapons its designed for is so narrow

otherwise focus target is just better

[somber axle]

MF is just too niche to be good for most weapons

[winter grove]

Also there's only 2 specific weapons that need exec stance to be good btw

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Redirect Fire is more consistent and easier to maintain

[winter grove]

And guess who's the fan of one of them

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus requires more juggling

[pastel yew]

not tested the numbers but I've heard that +finesse scales weirdly

[thorn lark]

which weapons?

[pastel yew]

marksmans focus is probably fine on the lucius mk3 though I've not tested the numbers with a good stat one

my shitty test rifle is like 50s stats

[winter grove]

One that I really am concerned

Is mg12 ilas

[pastel yew]

but it does make break points with it, and stacking/maintaining it isn't bad there

both the bolt pistol and the boltgun need exec stance imo

like

[gilded rock]

Sneaky how valuable would you say deadshot is to recon?

[pastel yew]

the sway is too buggy without it

your sight teleports about the place

[thorn lark]

i have not see a mg12 in months

[winter grove]

Invite me to your strike team and you'll see one :)

[pastel yew]

its free ammo

[gilded rock]

I would've (unsuredly) considered it almost mandatory pre buff but unsure if that's different

[pastel yew]

since the hipfire is so accurate I rarely ads

so you don't need to burn your stam all the time

not sure if I'd rather have dead shot or something else in the vet tree tho

[thorn lark]

i do very fine without tho:

[winter grove]

Nah

[gilded rock]

Since they said they were trying to gear recon to be more of a "pushing forward" gun, I was debating making a WS build with it

[winter grove]

They're deadshot guns

[thorn lark]

agree

[pastel yew]

yeah but with it you'd do significantly better, also the top player there is using a laspistol mk 10

what a goat

[winter grove]

MkX isn't exactly bad

[thorn lark]

deadshot + focus target witht the stam talent is sooo good

[winter grove]

Mk2 is just better

[pastel yew]

just mk2 feels so much nicer

[thorn lark]

he is using a hsword

well, she

[pastel yew]

which is odd as normally I prefer the slower shitter heavier damage alternatives for guns

[thorn lark]

because yes, i mostly play with girls now

[pastel yew]

girl boss gang

[winter grove]

I love CIAG

[pastel yew]

I've still not crafted a proper heavy sword yet

[winter grove]

It might be op

[pastel yew]

not enough money to go around

[winter grove]

But compared to other two guns

[gilded rock]

"might"

[thorn lark]

the mk10 is just a way to proce infernus

[winter grove]

It's much more FUN

[pastel yew]

sitting on hoards of plasteel and diamantine but no coins

[gilded rock]

there's the saving grace LOL

[winter grove]

No it's FUN

[gilded rock]

Yeah CIAG is so fucking fun

[winter grove]

Unlike zarona and plasma

[gilded rock]

That's the main reason I use it, it feels impactful and is brrr and fast for close engagements

[thorn lark]

ciag ads recoil is bad

[winter grove]

Plasma and point and click adventure and Zarona is a scuffed vermintide 2 gun

[pastel yew]

I think both the zarona and plasma are fun just... for different reasons, the zarona is just pure snappy quick and the plasma turns it into a point and click adventure game

[thorn lark]

plz buff

[pastel yew]

jinx

*cackle

[pastel yew]

it only pulls up a certain distance

and then is like basically stable

it's like the csgo negev

[winter grove]

CIAG is the Negev of the Darktide

[pastel yew]

full auto > burst

[winter grove]

[gilded rock]

Bardin thrund but 5 shots xd

[pastel yew]

it iss!

[winter grove]

To outweigh zarona being unfun on veteran

I use taxe 4 along with it

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-frontline-negev-lmg-machine-gun-gif-17131026

[thorn lark]

lately my favorite build is ws taxe 7 + hacker shotgun

[somber axle]

idk why this was blocked but here you go

if it's because of the very unfortunate name of a talent sharing the same wording as a slur then that's a problem on Fatshark's side not mine LOL

they really should change the name of that talent

[winter grove]

Which one

Lmao

[somber axle]

Chink in their Armour

[torpid grotto]

The plasma could be so cool if they balanced it around the charge ability

[winter grove]

I mean

[somber axle]

the first word is a slur against asians (I am half asian on my mother's side)

[winter grove]

That's still correct use of the word given the context

[somber axle]

it's still the correct word, it's just really unfortunate it shares the same spelling as a slur

[potent iris]

this is what did it, yeah

[winter grove]

Yeah

English is weird

[potent iris]

they really shoulda just named it differently lmao

[somber axle]

I apologize! My intent isn't to write anything offensive, just wanting to share info and I hope the talent gets changed so it stops being problematic

[potent iris]

yeah it's all g I get it

[gilded rock]

Have you tried 7a with a WS build? I feel like because of its nature as the generalist recon it could play into that well?

[last parcel]

using marksman focus is offensive

[thorn lark]

ok so what is the banned word ffs?

[gilded rock]

artist

[winter grove]

Austist

[thorn lark]

no fucking way

[gilded rock]

It is quite often used as a slur

[thorn lark]

@potent iris is the n word still not on the black list?

[potent iris]

autist is blocked, yeah

[winter grove]

Can confirm, that's a common thing in Russia

[potent iris]

it should be but I'd ask you don't test it

[thorn lark]

it wasn't when the list was introduced

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist melee Vet time is just really fun but I don't think the single crit is doing anything tbh. It's more the attack speed that's helping. Always Prepared is basically worthless on Recons. I don't really think any of the talent nodes under Weapon Specialist are good but if you're already doing a melee focused build then WS is ok. It's just not providing nearly as much benefit for the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa as Marksman's Focus or Focus Target imo

BUT

[winter grove]

Mod manually blew you up

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is my choice for Weapon Specialist because the fire rate gets extra silly with the bonus fire rate from Weapon Specialist

[gilded rock]

That's definitely something to consider

[somber axle]

it's too wild with the spray and pray to benefit much from Marksman's Focus, and it's too fast to use Target Down + Deadshot memes anymore

but it is very funny doing a weapon specialist build with Onslaught and Rending Strikes to melt Crushers hyper fast LMFAO

[potent iris]

yeee it should be blocked nowadays but honestly I haven't checked the log for that in forever

[winter grove]

Wait till they buff Ius

[somber axle]

especially with Celerity stim

[gilded rock]

What is the downside of the 6 compared to 7a other than it not cleaving?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-doctor-rainbow-vomit-gif-15176649

[winter grove]

Ammo Economy

[gilded rock]

And more ammo consumption but that's like a non factor I assume

[winter grove]

If you were to compare two guns with (I assume) almost the same ammo pools

Ilas mk4 and Recon mk6

[mortal horizon]

ok\

im completely addicted to the double barrel + combat axe weapon master hot swap build

[winter grove]

Recon burns out that 1k ammo really quickly without crits

[somber axle]

It eats ammo faster than anything else even with Shock Trooper + Headhunter

[mortal horizon]

swing swing, swap shoot, swing swing, swap shoot, and just cursh anything within 10 meters of you is pretty dope lol

[winter grove]

Ilas mk4 wouldn't really need any ammo pickups for 70% of the game duration

[mortal horizon]

i just was in a maelstrom with 3 other psykers, so i got to be as wreckless as i wanted with ammo it was glorious

[thorn lark]

yes but i burn through ammo sooooo fast

[somber axle]

It's very fun but I use it on a melee focused Vet loadout now because leaning on it for your main method of doing damage is going to leave you on orange/red ammo consistently

[gilded rock]

I do this but with a chord. Very very fun.

[mortal horizon]

chord?

[thorn lark]

chainsword

[gilded rock]

Chain sword

[mortal horizon]

ah ya that would work

i used to love ps6 alot, still do, but doesn't work as well

having to charge it messes with the flows

the axe or chsword and weapons like it def feel best

[somber axle]

so I mainly use my Recon Mk VId with Weapon Specialist for quickly swapping and melting Crushers to thin the carapace pain trains before engaging in melee, or for suppressing enemy gun lines (and maybe killing one or two while I advance) before swapping melee to begin cutting down gunners in their faces

[mortal horizon]

where you can get 3-5 kills to stack weapon master in just 2-3 swings, and swap back

[somber axle]

I have a Recon Mk VId with Stripped Down that I use with Duck and Dive to just advance on enemy gun lines freely and begin slamming them in melee

or for just sprinting out of the lines of fire to safety

[mortal horizon]

i dropped Both Barrels on it, bc its just redundant. Ill melee double swap to reload it if i really need i almost never have to manually reload with the WM Always Prepared augment

[gilded rock]

I would guess that the crit bonus from WS is even better on 6 as well because of crit string

[mortal horizon]

so i rock manstopper + a damage blessing

[gilded rock]

I don't know the numbers on that though

[thorn lark]

i have been using manstopper + double barrel but well i think i'll do manstopper + scatter shot or deathspitter now

[winter grove]

@somber axle we should do a duo run with recon mk6 and ilas mk4

Let's see who runs out of ammo first

[somber axle]

Probably my thirsty Recon LOL

The Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun is just the second best gun at being as close to infinite ammo as possible

First place belongs to the Helbores

[winter grove]

I'll be using that thing to horde clear too btw

Even still

Recon gonna run out first I bet

[somber axle]

I think my Recon Mk II with Deadshot + Target Down could maybe compete on ammo economy somewhat

but it's hard to outdo the sheer ammo capacity of the Kantrael Mk IV Infantry Lasgun

[last parcel]

mg iv more like shoot iv ever haha

kill me

[somber axle]

LOL

Headhunter and Shock Trooper makes it even funnier too

not that the IV needs it

[thorn lark]

i recon we could

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist Kantrael Mk IV if you want to test how fast you can click

[winter grove]

It doesn't need it

However

I have both

[placid portal]

I cannot enjoy how i have to click on something more than 1 times to kill a shooter with the mk4

[hollow ibex]

that's easily fixed by the full auto mod

[mortal horizon]

ya both work nicely. Im using Full Bore right now, which i mainly am using to help with boss damage (its noticeably nice on the weakened bosses from the maelstrom modifier) and reapers. But i think deathspitter or scattershot would be just as good if not better.
Not my best gameplay or clip, a little sloppy, but just my last auric game some holy shotgun carnage for the emperor

build is super fun gotta say even if its not the best thing there is if i was putting money on a match lol but i usually end up settling on fun builds over good builds in tide games

[uncut pebble]

Finally, marksman's focus penance is done.

That whole keystone needs a fat rework.

Literally punishes you for moving.

[placid portal]

they buffed the grace period after weakpoint kills though not sure if that's good

[uncut pebble]

They need to make it a bit more like weapon specialist, and then define weapon specialist more as a crit-machine keystone.

[uncut pebble]

Yeah it's 6 seconds now, but that isn't a lot of time and it makes you more reliant on automatic weapons.

Not the grace period, I mean. They keystone itself is much better with automatic weapons.

I was making anywhere from 20-30 kills in an entire damnation match using my mk12 lasgun, but the moment I picked up a recon I was getting 200+.

If my 2 cents means anything, I think it should be made to turn all stacks of marksman's focus into melee damage the moment you take out your melee, but it consumes all currently available stacks.

Like, let's say you have all 10, as per the base node.

For each stack, gain 4% melee damage and 1% movement speed upon equipping a melee weapon.

Could go a step further and make it finesse damage.

I don't much care, I just hate the way it currently is. It makes the penance such a fucking slog to get through.

[drowsy aspen]

That's too similar to Weapon Specialist I think

Opposite way Weapon Specialist works, which is kinda nice

[pastel yew]

I mean ehhhehhehehehh like

I see it like disrupt destiny on psyker

in that although the time before stacks start to decay isn't massive

you can decay a few stacks and get them back rapidly

its just a shame the bonus for having those stacked mainly benefits auto weapons again

especially with the armor negation

[white minnow]

though this just sounds you tended to use your recon lasgun more than your mk12 (uptime vs the keystone being more effective with the recon than the infantry)

it also doesn't help that we just deal a lot of damage and don't really need to do any breakpoint maxxing even w/o MF

[junior needle]

k12 is widely considered the weakest ilas atm

[white minnow]

i also don't think that we need to make marksman focus more like weapon specialist because, well, weapon specialist already exists

there's only 3 keystones and we don't need to intentionally add overlap between them

[pliant prawn]

for the On Overwatch achievement (penance too?), does blocking an attack count as not taking damage?

Also, unrelated - but why is this clipping? Is my characters face/neck too fat or something?

[pastel yew]

it clips with a few different faces

including the one I use for my fem vet

honestly the state of cosmetics in this game in general is pretty appaling

fatshark catches an unfair amount of shit at times but the cosmetic stuff is justified, especially for the ones that have been sitting in the files waiting to be released for ages

[pliant prawn]

dripfeed moment

[umbral scaffold]

Taking melee damage blocking doesnt count as taking damage
Use the stealth ability with the modifier called overwatch and use it as a ticket out of getting cornered. Avoid door spawns stay abit behind your squad and dodge back away from melee units. Get like a weapon that kills fast or hits hard so the enenmy cannot get a hit in you if alone particularly look out for hounds and mutants to dodge them. And finially play a map you know is wide (hourglass ie) and not narrow with good visibility
Try to get a low intensity as well if you can anf you should be set.
And finally finally be patient. You very well might not get in a good 20 tries and thats okay ! Its doable though

Personally ny weapon of choice for it isChainsword since reving is good against mutants and ragers

Use the stealth ability when you know youre about to get hit (cornered and cant avoid or dodge in any dirrection)

Specifically

If you do the mission on a higher difficulty and with low intensity you might do it aswell as you might be getting high lvl teamates

[junior needle]

I'm curious as to what you think is unfair criticism, considering their many goofes and gaffes

[pastel yew]

the like... aquilla controversy was pretty silly

also people complaining about them taking the summer holidays away

a lot of people criticising game stability when they're running modded clients

like game stability can be shit

but I've seen loads of posts that were just mod shit

[umbral scaffold]

Id rather want more unlockable cosmetics than free aquilas tbf

[junior needle]

The game stability being an issue was because of a change on their end, that ended up being largely due to one thing being flipped

[pastel yew]

i get game stability is bad, I'm just pointing out a lot of it is caused by modded clients

[junior needle]

Also, fatshark released a broken, buggy, unfinished mess of a game that was in shambles for months

[pastel yew]

very popular mods like weapon customization

[pastel yew]

months?

like a year almost

I was there, I've got my beta male helmet marking me as a clown

[junior needle]

It took them months to fix the crashing and disconnects

[umbral scaffold]

Clientside mods are clientside btw they do not affect servers

[gilded wraith]

Can't blame mods for the current Xbox performance issues.

[junior needle]

And then about a year for something resembling release worthy content

[pastel yew]

they still cause crashes and disconnects though

especially weapon customization

[umbral scaffold]

To the ones using them

[junior needle]

They don't cause disconnects

[pastel yew]

they absolutely do

I've had two separate occurences of specifically weapon customization causing me to get disconnects

[umbral scaffold]

Then do not use it simple and case closed ?

[pastel yew]

its fine when updated the issue is that it's not immediately apparent

[terse idol]

that's probably still onyl just the issue that

Weapon customization mod is

Unstable

[junior needle]

It shouldn't

[pastel yew]

correct

[terse idol]

You could ask on the discord

Maybe someone could help ya

[junior needle]

Probably an issue loading into the game with it on and not it explicitly affecting your connection

[pastel yew]

I've already fixed by updating

the initial times I just had no idea

it was literally the last mod I checked -_-

because it was the one I suspected least

[umbral scaffold]

I only use mods like 3rd person and hud improvements anymore. And huh true lvl

[junior needle]

But yes, entire lobbies crashing and disappearing as well as console issues are entirely on fatshark

[umbral scaffold]

Gun custumisation mod was fun but its like eh whatever

[pastel yew]

the console issues are fucked from what I'm aware

[umbral scaffold]

Its cool but its just a trinket

[junior needle]

Just as well it also happens to unmodded pc players

[pastel yew]

I know loads of people have essentially unplayable games on console

[pastel yew]

again not saying all criticism towards them is unfair

I've just seen enough people with stability issues that get fixed when they update their modlist or unpatch

stuff like stuttering and fps lag is also commonly reported

and also commonly caused by the weapon customization mod... go figure

[umbral scaffold]

If you use it yeah....

[pastel yew]

the default setting randomise peoples weapons and for whatever reason that causes the game to stutter for some peopel

[pastel yew]

a lot of guns just have horrific irons

[umbral scaffold]

They do

[junior needle]

The aquila controversy was a direct result of fatfish giving new players (post game fixing) a buttload of free premium currency just for buying the game as normal, while the original people who suffered through the mess got nothing.

[pastel yew]

even better when they literally have a rail for an optic and just... dont have one

[junior needle]

Even gacha games give out free premium currency when their shit doesn't work

[pastel yew]

they got what they paid for

other people gaining isn't you losing

at least that's my take

[junior needle]

[umbral scaffold]

I dont want premium currency though i just want content 😭😭😭

[pastel yew]

if I buy a video game and 2 years later it comes free to play

[junior needle]

It's about compensation, and an apology for selling people a full priced, woefully unfinished product.

[pastel yew]

like.. I still decided the game was worth handing money over for

I made that decision

[pastel yew]

not like the console players got a finished product either kekekeke

honestly playing this game on console sounds miserable

[umbral scaffold]

Or console at all

[pastel yew]

even outside of it being borderline unplayable for many

[umbral scaffold]

My bf just keeps whining how he hates matchmaking with console players on destiny 2 because they always throw their raid or whatever destiny shit they do

[junior needle]

Fatshark has made essentially zero amends for all the bullshit going on with their game, or learned that people the fatshark cycle of development (release with issues, then fuck off and develop the console port for a very long period).

[pastel yew]

but they said the console port isn't slowing down content!

they wouldnt lie to us

there has been a noticeable lul in content recently though...

[junior needle]

Now you can see why people want a proper apology

[pastel yew]

glad it's not known they're working on a ps5 port or whatever

they did put out an apology to be fair

[junior needle]

If they forked over the aquilas I would've been willing to let it slide. Now my grudge remains forever.

[pastel yew]

and things were sweet after the xbox release

[umbral scaffold]

I think an apology wouldnt be well received if they also came empty handed with it

[pastel yew]

we've just went back to the dark times as we wait for the ps5 release

[fleet thicket]

Guys

Is kantrael shotgun

Bad?

[pastel yew]

they're all not great

[junior needle]

This isn't an apology

[pastel yew]

but the kantrael is my favourite

it has a few weird little niche properties to it

[pastel yew]

this is what I wish we got

[fleet thicket]

How does the fire work ?

What's maximum stacks ?

[umbral scaffold]

It burns

[pastel yew]

oh I confused the kantrael with the sluggy

[fleet thicket]

It can have ?

[pastel yew]

I'd imagine 12?

no idea

[fleet thicket]

I hope it's 32

Like the ogryn

[pastel yew]

I think it's 12 though, as the dot does the same burn damage as infernus

[fleet thicket]

That's agri shotgun btw

[pastel yew]

300

[fleet thicket]

Oh okay then

[pastel yew]

to bosses that is

itll vary on other shitters

[junior needle]

The rotating rat would've been better.

[fleet thicket]

How many shots

Does it take to reach max stacks ?

[pastel yew]

honestly I feel awful for the devs

they're so hillariously mismanaged

a lot of flame caught from the toxic systems in the game

[fleet thicket]

XD

[pastel yew]

the rotating skin shop, and using an alternative currency rather than buying with real money

but no dev would choose to have that surely

that's a shitty manager appeasing thing

or maybe I'm just huffing copium

[fleet thicket]

Anyway

Do you guys use the shotguns ?

[pastel yew]

I did on zealot before they gutted ranged rending

i've used the sluggy on veteran a bit

it's not great but its very funny

the slug is 100% hipfire accurate

[lusty sapphire]

Remember the xbox aquillas debacle? When everyone got duped with a "Don't worry you will all get something too"

[pastel yew]

just a meh cosmetic instead

[junior needle]

Including reskins from npc clothing

[pastel yew]

honestly I'd settle for the cosmetics we do get being

worth the money

having a proper female rig

not clipping through faces

there really are not that many faces to test

and given the prevelance of clipping issues I mean... we can only assume there is literally no QA before they're put in the store

[thorn lark]

that's a chastise problem, other ult users did not really care

[lament fiber]

I haven't played the game in ages, but last time I played I loved to use the Bolter + Chainsword. I have heard that the Bolter i pretty shit right now (somehow even more than before), so I was thinking, what should I use? I'm not sure, but I think I had a Kantrael Lasgun that was pretty close to a god roll. I would like a gun that is more slow fire rate, high dmg. Any suggestions? I also accept suggestions for melee weapons for a more balanced experience (and yes I know that the 'Krieg loadout' is pretty close to what I might like)

[thorn lark]

bolter very bad right

it's not an insta win weapon like the plasma gun

[pastel yew]

it's a zealot as a class problem, given if you wanna take say... a devils claw.. you're going to have to take a bolter or revolver or be depressed

they don't really have anti armor ranged variety

in the same way psyker and vet have anti armor melee variety

heavy sword sorta highlights this problem as special attack spamming crushers aint it

especially when every weapon that was boosted by that rending was still worse than the zarona, except the laspistol mk2

[thorn lark]

if you want to use the bolter you have to invest a bit in it and either go the marksman focus route or focus target

[thorn lark]

well i agree with you

[pastel yew]

the boltgun also just compares unfavourably with a lot of weapons

I like it, use it on occasion (prefer the pistol for style points though)

but it's definitely bottom mid tier

needs heavy support from your skill tree to not feel awful where other weapons are smooth outta the box

[thorn lark]

but i play 4 classes and i always took something to take care of armor ie crushers in every loadout/build

because i qp a lot and i just can't take for granted that someone will be the crusher deleter

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean, every build should be able to deal with all threats

it's just the zealots 2 main ranged options for dealing with carapace are both far more fun to use as a vet than a zealot

[thorn lark]

so i clearly was really impacted by the nerf

[pastel yew]

and it's not like melee vet is really all that much worse than melee zealot

[thorn lark]

i prefer revolver on vet and bolter on zelaot tbh

[pastel yew]

I'd say that weapon specialist zarona / rashad is like.. better than any zealot build

maybe if/when melta guns get added it won't be so rough but

it's only zealot that gets shafted with so little variety I guess

doesn't really matter to me though as I'm not a zealot one trick

[coral willow]

#zealotisdead

[pastel yew]

nah they're still strong just

[thorn lark]

taxe vet with ws is insane too

[pastel yew]

not as fun as vet currently

whereas with the ranged rending they had a cool niche

[coral willow]

i will die on this hill until vet is nerfed

[pastel yew]

nerf plasma gun, then remove the guaranteed crit from weapon specialist

give them something else

or maybe keep the crit

but remove the reloading node

[thorn lark]

agile engagement, reciprocity, desperado, melee dmg node... it's bonkers

[pastel yew]

I'm not sure what's ideal here

said it before but I'm fine with both the zarona and weapon specialist separately... just not together

[thorn lark]

i play zarona with marksman focus lol

[pastel yew]

based

[junior needle]

I posted it already, but a classic is always good

[pastel yew]

I'm not sure why would do that but, I can dig it

[serene bough]

Wanted to repost

[thorn lark]

it is overkill

[serene bough]

Its art

[junior needle]

MF zarona sounds like a qol nightmare too

[thorn lark]

like, i could probably use focus target and enjoy a more generalist bonus

you don't have to invest in deadshot

just suppression immunity

[slow spade]

some things never change

[faint beacon]

Its finally over

[pliant prawn]

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-clone-wars-fives-death-the-mission-the-nightmares-gif-17402131

[faint beacon]

How I feel getting 4500

christ lmao

[pliant prawn]

now you can complain about there being nothing to do

[faint beacon]

Yes!

[pliant prawn]

[faint beacon]

Honestly the thing to do is

stockpile so many resources it looks unhealthy

[thorn lark]

you don't have to invest in survivalist tbh

[junior needle]

Qol nightmare in actually maintaining the stacks

[thorn lark]

well

not really

[junior needle]

With a low mag size/low rof weapon

I guess you can just shoot some chaffe heads but

[thorn lark]

because you if you want to use surgical you have to stop moving around

[junior needle]

Very much a waste compared to WS

[thorn lark]

so you stop for 1.5s, gain a few stacks of mf and surgical and just shoot

[junior needle]

Why would you need to stop moving for surgical?

It stacks regardless of if you move

[thick kestrel]

it's worth noting that taking the node that gives you 15 stacks is actually a reasonable way to "maintain" them.

those extra 5 stacks act as a solid buffer to keep the overall stack count high and provide overflow value when you're sitting at 8/9/10 stacks.

[last parcel]

would you want your surgeon jittering around

[thorn lark]

man, moving and adsing at the same time

not the best experience

[junior needle]

Do you get motion sick or something?

[thorn lark]

that may be because of the fov... it just feels like claustrophobic

not motion sick

it feels like i am in a tunnel and i am not really aware of my surroundings

[junior needle]

That is very unusual

The weaponfov mod can help you with that

You can change it per weapon so there's no zoom when aiming

Here's a video example

[thorn lark]

OK

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/vipe-vipeio-reroll-vrm-click-gif-15731446971792394713

[thorn lark]

I NEED THAT

it's the zoom on some weapons that is a bit too much zoomy

[coral willow]

me when 1/4

[woeful ibex]

play on lower difficulty assassinations

[woeful ibex]

Congrats Brother

[idle pecan]

is this good

[pastel yew]

stats are nothing super special but they're fine

ammo being low doesn't really matter as it has absurd ammo efficiency with crit stuff

weight of fire is the blessing you want on it

so really it'll come down to what you roll after that if you wanna keep it

also is that what weight of fire does???

I thought it was based on chaining attacks... so each subsequent shot got faster

either way you're hoping for surgical as your other blessing I think

the perks? I have no idea

[last parcel]

unarmoured/maniac for non executioner's stance

idk if elite is enough for dreg gunner

[last parcel]

that's a shotgunner but i guess it's the same answer

[idle pecan]

im just tryina look for something as strong as the colomnus

(i wont find it sadly)

Loadout
CIAGV (Flak/Maniac) (Dumdum/Deathspitter)
PS 3 (Elite/Carapace) (Brutal/ PC4)

2HP 1Stam
2Gunner
1 Sniper
3 Stam Regen
2 tough regen

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean that is... top tier

zarona weapon specialist is stronger

[pastel yew]

plasma gun is stronger

[idle pecan]

its the only thing that lowkey feels usable in damnation+

[latent nimbus]

Penetration is subpar but

[pastel yew]

fucking boss shredder though

[latent nimbus]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

get that in an exec boss deletion build thats a dope roll

[pastel yew]

use other weapons, you're just comfy with that

your skill level will improve and other weapons will feel better as you use em

[latent nimbus]

What perks and blessings for boss shredding? I rolled it into hand cannon 3, increased range crit chance by 4%, and +8% specialist damage

[pastel yew]

you will take a performance dip while trying anything new

that's natural

[idle pecan]

What do you reccomend?

my primary favorite weapons were the recon lazguns and the ciagv

[pastel yew]

you want trick shooter and crucian roullette I think

[last parcel]

trickshooter and unyielding for the meme build

[pastel yew]

its only a meme for 95% of the match!

but for that glorious 5%... 6 shots.. boss is dead

[idle pecan]

"what boss"

[pastel yew]

precisely!

[latent nimbus]

I only have the t3 of those perks

[idle pecan]

best for running in a mission which spawns specials as bosses

[pastel yew]

you might enjoy the mk2 laspistol but unsure

[idle pecan]

is mk2 laspistol fullauto?

[pastel yew]

not default no

but you can get a mod called "full auto"

[latent nimbus]

The only auto pistol is the shredder

[pastel yew]

which makes all semi auto guns fire automatically

[pastel yew]

it's not a cheat, it just removes the need to spam click

[idle pecan]

hhhhhhhh

[pastel yew]

dum dum is good

[idle pecan]

2 good perk/blessing

but rip the stats

[latent nimbus]

What talents go good with the agripistol?

Krak, infiltrate, and marksman focus?

[pastel yew]

crucian roullette for sure, trick shooter if you wanna delete bosses in one drum though if you don't care about that then hand cannon

oohh talents

definitely krak if you're going boss build

you need exec stance to do the one drum combo

annnd this talent... one moment

you wanna stack damage ups then when a boss comes activate your exec stance, then fan all the shots into the bosses weakspot

[latent nimbus]

That's my current setup; krak, executioner, marksman

[pastel yew]

I love executioners stance, my favourite ability

even if it is the weakest in most cases it's so fun

[idle pecan]

is MF as good as focus target

[pastel yew]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

sorta depends

with automatic weapons it's as good

with the plasmagun it's maybe a tiny bit better now that it's breakpoints are a bit weird

outside of that no not really

[idle pecan]

do you reccomend i run it with my columnus?

[pastel yew]

if you can hit head reliably eyah

the reason it's so good with automatic weapons is because they can hit heads more frequently which stops decay of stacks

and you can stack mad armor pen

[idle pecan]

\

[idle pecan]

loadout and talents

[pastel yew]

thoughits hard and expensive to get all 3

[idle pecan]

onslaught is insane

[pastel yew]

if its even possible

onslaught is real good yea

[idle pecan]

does it stack with mf?

[pastel yew]

the rending would make it easier yeah

so you'd ramp up your onslaught stacks faster

since you have less effective armor to overcome

sorta difficult to get to though

if you wanted to try it out you could drop focus target and dead shot to grab the keystone and the upgrade

[idle pecan]

i have to choose to lose precision strikes or deadshot

in order to get all 3

[pastel yew]

definitely would drop deadshot

though deadshot with focus target is a fun combo

[idle pecan]

thats what i was runnin

[pastel yew]

either way you're only moving points around so its easy to try for a game or two and see how it feels

if you don't like it can switch back

so hitting any weakspot lets you move for 3 seconds without losing stacks, whereas getting a weakspot kill lets you move for 6

so automatic weapons typically use this a lot better as the ease of hitting weakspots constantly

probably works better with a recon than a ciag tho

[junior needle]

It's usually not worth the point investment unless you specifically want to be able to kill crushers with an automatic weapon

[pastel yew]

that's a real nice bonus to have for auto weapons though

though it is very expensove

all the nodes leading to it are good though

[junior needle]

Ehhhh

[pastel yew]

stamina on dodge, stamina recovery, the 5% melee isn't really great but... eehhhh

[junior needle]

Depends on the weapon

[pastel yew]

its not enough for my rashad to make a dog one shot unfortunately that needs 10% its so close

[idle pecan]

what does rending do

[junior needle]

Stamina on dodge and stam recovery is not really important unless you're going deadshot

Rending adjusts your adm's

Which is a percentage of your base damage that your weapon does against specific armor types

This is easily viewable on weapons with stopping power

If you have a 90% modifier, 10% rending will take you to a 100% modifier

However, the value is diminished significantly above 100%

[idle pecan]

now i have this going on

[junior needle]

Where it's converted to damage at a 1/4 rate

[pastel yew]

rending and brittleness are both just.. more damage against armor at a basic level tho, brittleness applies to everyone I believe whereas rending is entirely just your attacks. brittle is a debuff, rending is a property of your attacks I guess

[junior needle]

That's correct, although armor just means the type in this context, and not just foes with visible armor

Rending and brittle only apply against flak, unyielding, maniac, and carapace

[pastel yew]

it applies to maniac??????

[junior needle]

Yee

[pastel yew]

I guess it'd have to because of the maniacs in armor but

that's silly

honestly the enemy typing in this game is so dumb

[junior needle]

As I said, the armor type has nothing to do with actually having armor

[pastel yew]

I'd rather have hit locations of consistent armor value

flak always equals flak

then just have unarmored for plebs and infested or mutated or..

[junior needle]

Some enemies do have points with different types

[pastel yew]

something for the fleshies you wanna be tough

[pastel yew]

yeah like flak and carapace for the mauler

[junior needle]

Reapers have unyielding generally, flak on the chest, and carapace on the shoulder and wrists

[pastel yew]

its just the idea of the flamer clearly wearing full flak

and yet being a maniac

is silly, it should just be flak type

[junior needle]

Specialists are typically classed as maniac for some reason

[pastel yew]

balance and variety I guess

I just wish that the visuals matched up with the mechanics

[junior needle]

They usually do, the scab flamer is unusual

[pastel yew]

mhm the rager counts for flak

despite... clearly being a maniac, more so than the flamer

[junior needle]

Scab rager isn't as mad because he gets cool armor

[pastel yew]

so trueeee

the armor that makes them just.. straight up weaker

flak armor is effectively a debuff for most of the good weapons

[junior needle]

Not quite, flak usually doesn't have a high adm

Compared to other types at least

It is the most common type in the game though, so most people take it on weapons

[pastel yew]

might just be a personal thing as

all the weapons I enjoy are just real good into flak

[junior needle]

Flak is still worth taking unless it's redundant on breakpoint weapons

As better damage by default means more value with a boost

[pastel yew]

what I mean is like

its a debuff because most good weapons are already naturally good into flak

so funnily if the rager left his cool armor at home he'd do more damage and be less vulnerable

[slow spade]

why do you think named chars in warhammer don't wear helmets?

UwU

[pastel yew]

because if they wore a helmet how would you know they're cool?

also it's 40k if you get hit you're probably dead anyway so

fuck it why not

[last parcel]

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/this-peaks-this-reeks-memes-gif-14297312045594448732

The finesse too

[coral willow]

why does it pounce on me thrice

[last parcel]

two times on the bulge, one for each ball

[shadow aurora]

Nevermind i misread

[coral willow]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-geats-kamen-rider-geats-kamen-rider-geats-worm-gif-27597597

[severe gale]

peak fiction

[lusty sapphire]

Any bolt pistol connoisseur in here?

[shadow aurora]

I

[lusty sapphire]

What talents you went for

I'm just going heavy on weakspot dmg

And crit

[shadow aurora]

Uhh i think i have the screenshots for my build

Gimme a sec

[lusty sapphire]

I'm running this for now and tbf it's fairly fun

[shadow aurora]

Standard issue shovel for melee

[pallid jetty]

trying to headshot with one of the most inaccurate weapon in the game takes some balls if you ask me

[lusty sapphire]

Interesting, you went the opposite way

[shadow aurora]

The weapon isnt that inaccurate on the first shot

[lusty sapphire]

Suppression immunity + ex stance + quickaiming does it

and

Deadshot

[coral willow]

bistol has pretty good initial accruacy

just uh

falls off hard

[pallid jetty]

yeah no shit its accurate on the 1st shot

[lusty sapphire]

If you don't spam it too hard it's not bad

[shadow aurora]

You just need to wait between shots thats what im trying to say

[lusty sapphire]

And I discovered a nifty lil trick

For a quick 2 tap

After you ads if you shoot from braced it has its recoil reset

Or close to and it's mainly cause of the change in fov

I know I'm trying hard to sell this but I swear it works

This is more or less the gist of it. Not the worst although it does make me miss a bunch of shots here and there

[grand perch]

You might want to consider removing the suppression immunity node and spending the point elsewhere. Exec stance gives immunity anyway

[lusty sapphire]

I don't always have ex stance up

[pallid jetty]

the point is in how much time it takes to wait until the next shot

[lusty sapphire]

and without it is impossible to aim this thing

[pallid jetty]

i use it in close/mid distanses

[shadow aurora]

How does that correlate to having balls

[pallid jetty]

cause this is the design

[grand perch]

You do you but suppression node is usually a waste with exec.

[pallid jetty]

cause its stupid and challenging, and you might want to do it only just for fun

[lusty sapphire]

And I'm just trying to do something else here

Not the best

[pallid jetty]

im not against it

as i said its just for fun

but damn aiming this thing is not fun at all

so im kinda against it anyway

[shadow aurora]

We haven't used the build it might be really strong

[lusty sapphire]

It has its own challenge

[shadow aurora]

Oh wait youre the guy who posted it lol

[lusty sapphire]

Eh I mean I don't top the scoreboard in terms of dmg but I do in terms of elites/specials killed with it

By a significant margin I'd say

[pallid jetty]

yesterday i tried machinegun on commando vet, for fun, and the stagger just blows away all ragers

[lusty sapphire]

It's very nice I agree

Especially cause fuck ragers

[shadow aurora]

I use braced autogun and the suppression node and everyone shits there pants when i start firing

[pallid jetty]

nah it still takes time to kill anything

but its not entirely bad

[pallid jetty]

the thing is, you need to maintain the suppression so it works

but it works

suppression build works only if your teammates even know about the existance of suppression mechanic

so they can take advantage of it

[lusty sapphire]

A lot of ppl don't unfortunately

[pallid jetty]

oh man, i want FS to buff shooters again

[lusty sapphire]

BUT it's nice when they do notice

[shadow aurora]

Yeah its not the most effective but its really fun

[lusty sapphire]

Same for this wacky thing. If you don't have ppl that know how to horde it'll be a bit tough. You need the stamina for deadshot and to be unbothered to dome all the elites from the back

2 shot on mauler, 2 shot on reaper and everything else is 1 shot hs or even bodyshot (save for crusher) so it has a purpose

[limber karma]

hello, I'm returning to darktide after a long break, are there any new builds that are really fun? My standard build is the bolter since this game launched, I recall there was the rapid las that returned infinite ammo at some point in the game

just wondering if there are new since with this patch released

[junior needle]

I know what you're referring to, but you could never get infinite ammo on it at the time

The only gun that can feasibly get infinite ammo usage is a helbore with surgical

[lusty sapphire]

How long? Now veteran has 3 keystones to play with and virtually you can make any gun work

Columnus iag is the best iag now. The recons are good. Plasma is broken, bolter is ok. Boltpistol is uh gimmicky. Revolver is broken. Braced autos still good etc.

[limber karma]

i've tried the 3 keystones

i recalled the rapid las build because i remembered it was very fun and brain dead, just feel like kicking back and mowing everything down sometimes

[junior needle]

You played during the talent patch, and that was swiftly nerfed into the ground within 3 weeks

It's only recently that the recons have become acceptably performing again

[wraith perch]

I think I found my build: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b8c3f52-84fd-4f2e-a855-0addd8261c1a/bolt-gunner

[junior needle]

Critical hit damage

[lusty sapphire]

Why are you taking rending strikes when the build has both a bolter with shattering impact and a powersword with sunder nonetheless? (Also uh crit dmg? On ps?)

[forest maple]

Which one do you guys think is better?

[thorn lark]

Left

You need headhunter for infernus

[junior needle]

hh is the overall best blessing if you can click heads, and you want the crit printer for infernus

Both are good, have one for HH/infernus and another for HH/dumdum, unless you absolutely insist on not clicking heads

[wraith perch]

you are right, that means one more skill point I can spend somewhere else, I only found the build while browsing them, but I didn't create it, my veteran experience is of like 12 hours 😂

[junior needle]

Most of the builds on gameslantern are bad or acceptable but poorly optimized

[wraith perch]

but skills wise (ignore traits, perks and blessings for now) looks close enough? of course I will min-max it

[lusty sapphire]

Not that I don't share some dumb stuff here too but at least we can discuss things

[junior needle]

Surgical seems to be recommended for bolter, but that's for use as a dmr

I don't use it myself so perhaps someone else can chime in

[lusty sapphire]

On bolter with shout it's better if you keep it that way

[wraith perch]

I started using the bolter in my new veteran and I'm nailing it, but I'm still Lv21 so I'm lacking in all aspects

[lusty sapphire]

Shooting shortbursts (which are very precise tbf) into elites

You go in

Shout

Kill the stuff on the ground

Take out the powersword and finish the job

Suppression immunity is not needed either on this build

You want to be aggressive and run in with shout

[wraith perch]

I want to (this may sound silly) immerse myself on each class and do what that class seems best at doing, I have a quite good experience Psyker and Zealot so I was thinking I'm going vet to use Bolter big boy and Plasma

[lusty sapphire]

Take advantage of the extra toughness

[wraith perch]

I was thinking the same about suppression immunity

another skill point that I can spend somewhere else

[delicate moat]

suppression imm is v nice

esp. on lasguns

[wraith perch]

I have learned to be squishy in my long time playing Psyker 😂

maybe I'll use it, let's see

nothing is final ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior needle]

Bolter is not exactly the weapon to take for purposefully sitting in melee

You're gonna have a trapper behind the horde, and it's gonna net you because your ranged weapon is a brick

[wraith perch]

I'm also a melee maniac myself, a tactical axe and dueling sword enjoyer 😉

[junior needle]

And you struggle to handle its massive girth in a timely manner

[lusty sapphire]

It's there to open a fight tbf

Or you need to go for the hs/crit build staying in the back and picking on elites

I personally use this on bolter

Monstrosity deleter build

[wraith perch]

I tend to vary between keep distance and go in "hanging stuff (can't use the right word...) deep" melee wise, depending on what's comming

[winter grove]

Ya think they'll ever make darktide story better?

[radiant chasm]

Didnt they just do that

[hearty panther]

they kinda are, slowly

if you start playing today, its 'better'

[radiant chasm]

Hestia, martyr skulls, swagger, and the nobles in the hab dreyko mission

[hearty panther]

if you started on launch, then you got a very poor introduction

but the stuff that sucked at launch with the story are still pretty bad

with the exception of Grendyl's Speech

cause if you make a new character, your introduction is --

prison break, saving zola, being inducted, and then zola using you for the twins mission

which does a great job of introducing both those characters (zola and rannick)

sadly zola does not at all 'arc' from any of this

and then you get the pointless traitor stuff

[slow spade]

We need the Wolfer x Grendyl romance sub-plot

[shadow aurora]

Yeah?

[sick sluice]

there is nothing to invest in. on release, in the future. its a complete fumble. so, imo, your best bet is to scrap any and all bullshit attached and create your own story

most of these franchises rely upon heavy player input. so go wild, let your imagination run free

[hearty panther]

really they could just gesture vaguely to all the other 40K shit

you could drown in all the nonsense lore the universe has if you so desire

[radiant chasm]

counterpoint

love triangle

[hearty panther]

which is why i would be fine with nothing but that

[radiant chasm]

wolfer x urmal x grendyl

🧠

[radiant chasm]

warhammer 40k has always been more fluff then lore, and the background lore is there and they add more, frankly as long as they keep doing that well, i'm not torn up about personal lore being shallow

[sick sluice]

iive been in wh40k for 20 years, i understand. in the age of overwatch and everything else , i just expected more than surface level anything

[shadow aurora]

Who is urmal

[radiant chasm]

dreg sorcerer lord, named in the new hab dreyko rework mission with morrow as handler, you will hack into wolfer's comms and he will get named dropped

or was it drumal idk he had a stupid name

[coral willow]

whos 2nd?

[shadow aurora]

The FEARSOME sorcerer of the legion of nurgle

Urinal

[sick sluice]

fear his cakes

[thorn lark]

Reloading while dodging is an art.

[radiant chasm]

i mean, there is stuff outside of surface level, the martyr skulls, how the dregs and scabs behave differently, how atoma mirrors the imperium, a former great steel producer now fallen into decay

it's just, not really in game besides the martyr skulls and item descriptions

[radiant chasm]

dreg sorcerer lord, named in the new hab dreyko rework mission with morrow as handler, you will hack into wolfer's comms and he will get named dropped

[coral willow]

ye just read

[radiant chasm]

WE HEAR HIS VOICE on the vox teasers as well

[coral willow]

i remember hearing about the comms

but i dont remember his name

was he the guy who killed one of the wyrmwood and swore revenge

[radiant chasm]

he calls out grendyl by name after soul sucking the Wyrmwood agent

[slow spade]

He's a cool dude, I'm sure just misunderstood

[radiant chasm]

yes

[slow spade]

As all chaos sorcerers are

[radiant chasm]

he has beef with grendyl

[coral willow]

nurglelos should die

[slow spade]

Grendyl - "Get in line pal"

[coral willow]

or who ever that DLC guy was

[sick sluice]

i guess what i was trying to indicate is that the game feels kinda gatekeepery

in the lore as well

[coral willow]

i mean

[sick sluice]

some kind of catch up lore info would be cool

for new players

[slow spade]

Imagine spending time reading instead of killing

[coral willow]

the end and the death was gatekeeped its latter parts until it released

only reason it "wasnt" was that this was a rewriting kinda

[slow spade]

Not harboring feelings of heresy are you templar?

[radiant chasm]

which, imo counters the "Weekend at Bernie's" theory that grendyl is dead but rannick and company don't want to reveal it for morale reasons

[sick sluice]

im with you, id forcus on sights more than words

[slow spade]

[radiant chasm]

cause i'm pretty sure a chaos sorcerer and cult leader would know if his biggest enemy was alive or dead

[shadow aurora]

Thought that was a . And was confused why one of the orphans was considered lesser

[radiant chasm]

then again, it would be very, very funny for urmal to find out "oh shit, he's been dead this whole time?"

[slow spade]

"Damn I'm a great sorcerer"

[junior needle]

unfortunate

[coral willow]

so the answer to melee psyker with rashad was zarona

like every good question is

god why

[sick sluice]

im back after hiatus since at least before big penance patch, i see a lot of recon lasguns, is it rly strong now?

[thorn lark]

The answer?

I like the Rashad but i find the weapon a bit slowish

[coral willow]

if you wanna ask if its op then no plasma and revolver still exists

[thorn lark]

But you can use them and have fun with them now

[sick sluice]

replied wrong lmfao how awfu

[sick sluice]

sure. or you could say yes or no. very easy.

gonna smoke lmao

[coral willow]

well even in full auto department CIAG still reigns

so

idk what would be the answer here

[slow spade]

They are tolerable

[coral willow]

"rly strong" is a wierd word

[slow spade]

You'll still groan when you see them but its not "actively trolling" now

[coral willow]

you will probably groan more at the pewpewpew noise and the annoying red laserpointer than actual shittyness of the gun now

[sick sluice]

i see it used a lot in lobbies. i assume its strong. if its not. give your opinion and i move on. maybe i interpreted it wrong, im just trying to understand 😔

[coral willow]

well its good

you still have some ammo issues but its not like trying to murder someone with pin cushions now

[sick sluice]

i see it moe than columbus i guess,

[coral willow]

columnus still has the benefit of being columnus

becayse its still borderline broken

[sick sluice]

im glad thats the case 🥴

[coral willow]

but mk6 has the funny firerate(worst ammo economy sadly), mk7 has pen like agripina autoguns, and mk2 is the best allrounder

and they have access to dumdum and other strong stuff normal IAGs have

[sick sluice]

i seee, i just see so many recon lasguns now i was curious

[coral willow]

ah

yeah dont worry about it

its great

[sick sluice]

thanks for your help

[slow spade]

If you see a recon, start nabbing ammo when you need it

The recon user certainly will lol

[coral willow]

if they have fire team and recon 6 just get your ammo before they get theirs

[sick sluice]

😂

[steady gull]

Do you guys like the bolt pistol? Just got a decent one! Looking for some cool Blessings for it. Just feels very 40k with a Bolt pistol. However, what's a good reason to use it instead of a bolter? Quicker reload? Don't have much experience with it just yet. :)

[old quail]

better draw time/reload than bolter

much more suited as a secondary weapon

[severe gale]

blessings for it can be surgical and deadly accurate,

makes ur headshots deal a ton of damage

[steady gull]

Bold of you to think I can aim well enough to place headshots! ;) But yeah. Saw a blessing briefly for more AoE damage from the bolts, looked fun!
Ooooh, draw time on the bolter is soooo long, so that's a huge plus to have a quicker draw time.

[severe gale]

lethal proximity?

that one is decent

so they changed how bolters worked when it was released

so the shell won’t detonate until it reaches a certain distance from you

so lethal lets it detonate at any range, and increases the size of the detonation

the explosion won’t really deal much damage, but it’s great for stagger, and can stop chaff in its tracks

[steady gull]

Ah, gotcha. Also.. it sounds really cool! :)

[severe gale]

:3

[edgy fable]

recon was always good, depending on the player wielding it

[grand perch]

and how many hoops you were willing to jump through

[last parcel]

honk honk

[wraith perch]

Lv20 with new bolter build, can't wait for Lv30, that thing rekts bosses, the DH didn't stand a chance

which powersword is better of the two?

[plush heart]

how does scoreboard still work ? @wraith perch

[lusty sapphire]

Preference

[lusty sapphire]

It never stopped working?