veteran-class

[pastel yew]

since although yes its just your first 10 shots.... if you're only firing 30 or less before reloading which is common

that first 10 gets a lot of mileage

or maybe thats just my zoomer mag not full need to reload brain

[junior needle]

Keep in mind what I'm saying is based on challenge content

So if you play regular damnation or below, you will likely not have much issue as those are snoozy

[pastel yew]

I play exclusively auric damnation

I'm a real gamer mom

[junior needle]

I exclusively play sedition because I'm scared of using my melee weapon

What if it cuts me when I pull it out

[pastel yew]

never pressed the q key in my life

rather die

I should just be able to shoot everything!

[junior needle]

Most ammo conscious recon enjoyer

[pastel yew]

usually a lot less to be fair... only like 10-15 shots in most bursts to body someone though I think the other recons are like

more shit for it

since they fire more than 1 ammo per shot

which is why a node like this is fucking stupid...

[junior needle]

Only the 7a does

But it also does more damage

[pastel yew]

I thought they both did?

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-gif-6533142189269812111

[pastel yew]

and yeah but it's gonna only benefit half of this already fairly minor crit talent

because same mag size... and twice the consumption

kinda stinky

[junior needle]

It does appropriately more damage, 7a is only slightly less efficient than the 2

But also has cleave

[pastel yew]

the math is also a little misleading since like.. it's not 1 in 10 crits really... since you have other crit chance... it's more like 1 in 7 as shots that were crits already arent gonna be fired and lost

numbers are stoopid

or rather they will be fired.. but not lost I am so fucking fried man I need to pass out

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/lobster-gif-27544204

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-gif-27066727

[thorn lark]

Well I have a near perfect db and after multiple tests I found out that rending did not give me better results than superiority complex and deadshot.

[plain escarp]

wait are these good blessings?

[candid agate]

anything to be done with this or is it too bad?

[placid portal]

Might be salvagable, gloryhunter to pinning fire does make it ok

[frank ledge]

Fellow veterans

what do I do with this?

[placid portal]

Keep thrusting with it

[fresh saddle]

• No Respite to Surgical
• 1.5 Stamina to your choice of Flak / Maniacs

[placid portal]

Not sure if maniac does any BPs

[last parcel]

or keep no respite and use it as a spear

[placid portal]

You get me

[fresh saddle]

lol i like my guns to be more shooty

[lyric dock]

Replace no Respite for Surgical
Replace Stamina for Flak or Maniac

[fresh saddle]

i don't think it does either? i don't have a means to check atm

[last parcel]

prob flamer

[placid portal]

I only know maniac refine works for mk3 and mk2 bps

[frank ledge]

SPEAR TIME

[lyric dock]

MK 1 Also has the good Bayonet stab

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonet-warhammer40k-death-korps-of-krieg-equip-bayonet-i-make-ready-gif-26550076

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/banzai-banzai-charge-we-gonna-beat-you-to-death-meme-beat-gif-21690527

[fresh saddle]

if it works for Mk 2, it should work for Mk 1 then

[placid portal]

Mk2 has diff damahe modifiers to have some difference

Mk3 melee is sadge but get by with it

[fresh saddle]

ohh i didn't know that, i only thought Mk 1 just hits harder than Mk 2

what are the different modifiers?

[lyric dock]

The very slow chop versus Stabby Stabby

[placid portal]

Chop melee animation is damn finnicky to spam too worst part of it

[placid portal]

I thought it was general consensus that different mks also had different modifiers vs armor types gonna check again

[fresh saddle]

if you find out let me know, i had a good Mk 2 Helbore that I shelved for my Mk 1 just for the extra damage per charged shot

[wicked epoch]

E

[lusty sapphire]

On my zealot ... What do I take off first? DA?

[amber cliff]

DA is pretty good on that thing

[fleet thicket]

Guys I think psword 3 is genuinely overpowered now

Sunder is so fucking insane on this

[unique orchid]

man, controller is so weird

more comfy but i cant ball as hard

[pale spear]

this seems like a pretty good roll, how can i improve it?

[junior needle]

Replace both blessings, accept the hit of crit damage.

HH/dumdum

Crit chance is better than normal on recons because of shocktrooper+strings

[pale spear]

i dont understand head hunter and how it works. dont weakspot hits allways make crits?

[junior needle]

No. Weakspot hits and crits are separate mechanics.

Though finesse boosts (like the mf keystone) affect both

The simple explanation is that shooting heads with HH is a massive boost to effective crit rate, which is a boost to ammo efficiency.

And also dps

But more ammo efficiency because the recons finesse damage suggs

[pale spear]

is dumdum that much worse then then deathspitter? otherwise i could replace the crit hit damage maybe

[junior needle]

Dumdum is much, much better than deathspitter

It's essentially an omnipresent damage boost up to something like 46~ range

[void gyro]

99% of vets quit before they make a perfect rashad (including me)

[hearty panther]

It's been an hour I know but I have been giving this some thought

Dumdum is deffo still the better of the two, but now that 'close range' is defined as 12.5m ... Deathspitter should trigger pretty often, and its damage bonus is global.

So Dumdum stacks much, much easier, but the bonus falls off beyond 12.5m. Deathspitter only stacks within 12.5m, but the bonus is always 30%

And 12.5m is ... like a lot of your engagements if you're an aggressive player

[tame lodge]

Yo, make sure to check your Dead Zone settings

Iirc closer to 0 helps with those small movements

[lusty sapphire]

The only problem is you need to keep killing, so harder to build up/maintain but if you go deathspitter/dumdum it could be worthwile tbf

@hearty panther

[forest maple]

How is this? Carapace is a bit unfortunate, but its the best i've got atm

[marble mantle]

It’s downright solid until you can get one that doesn’t have carapace

[pale spear]

so for a recon las crit build dum dum would be better?

betweeen demolition team vs demolition stockpile which on is considered better?

[gilded wraith]

Did something change in the recent patches?

[pseudo fiber]

Since we're talking hacker. Do you think the perks are fine on this and I can just switch blessings to whatever (probably man-stopper scattershot though)

[fleet thicket]

yes

now it gives 20% increase damage on heavies

[marble mantle]

Carapace is pretty bad on the hacker I think, but I run unyielding on mine I’m pretty sure.

[gilded wraith]

Nice, pairs well with the 3s horizontal swing!

[marble mantle]

Nice for chunking bosses

But the blessings should change anyway.

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah I'll do scattershot and manstopper and have fun doing the railgun build

[marble mantle]

Finally got a 17% toughness curio in the shop

[terse idol]

I swear I thought hacker needs uhhh, infested

Or was that the maul

[coral willow]

infested for poxwalker autokill i think

[terse idol]

Yee, watching the message history it just seems to smooth out the horde kill

[pseudo fiber]

I do not vibe with the hacker at all

[marble forum]

What would be the ideal keystone to use with recon lasguns? Or is it actually fine to play without any keystone?

[forest maple]

sprint efficiency to maniac or flak?

[tame lodge]

Deadshot+Shock Trooper

• Focus Target keystone with Target Down

For stamina replenishment

Or pick 6d, go weapon Specialist, stack 10 and laser hose that thing

[marble mantle]

Mmmmmmm weapon specialist my beloved

[marble forum]

I have to give deadshot another go then. It seems so unsafe to me to lose stamina 🤔

[proven prairie]

why do i feel like i'm not picking people up any faster with 30% revive speed + leave no one behind?

[tame lodge]

Yeah that's the tradeoff for crit/almost infinite ammo

[marble forum]

And what about FT + redirect fire? Because I feel I'm doing fine with shock trooper alone and HH on my recon las in terms of ammo economy

[thick kestrel]

it only seems to work on "live" rescues. if you're trying to pick people up after being captured it seems to be about the same duration?

I might be wrong on that admittedly.

[final stone]

Your attention, please

That is all

[faint beacon]

richest man on the mourningstar

[atomic zephyr]

ironhelm shotgun users when theres an enemy more than 10 feet away (its me. im the ironhelm shotgun user)

im going back to the agripinaa cant figure out how to use the damn double barrel

[pseudo fiber]

hand picked by the emperor himself

[clear lark]

[marble mantle]

The emperor might have beef with you

[foggy granite]

That’s not a lot I have like 80k

I never spend anything since I have my las pistol and chain sword

[marble mantle]

That’s kind of the joke

Is that it’s not a lot

[foggy granite]

Oh lmao

[marble mantle]

Some ppl have millions

[foggy granite]

HUH

Tbf I don’t pay attention to other players

I’m too busy taking in the beauty of the maps

[marble mantle]

Better off that way

[foggy granite]

Dark tide probably has the best looking maps of any game of its genre of extraction shooters

[marble mantle]

Whoa my mission was aborted by an unknown error (was not in a mission)

[marble mantle]

It’s not an extraction shooter

Extraction shooters have you take things out with you. This game is more so just a horde hack n slash fps

[foggy granite]

Yeah fair

L4d like game

[lusty sapphire]

Who needs traitorous guardsman with soldiers like me

[marble mantle]

Does have great maps though

[marble mantle]

That’s why you never take that ladder

[foggy granite]

Ima be honest

[marble mantle]

Ever

[foggy granite]

I don’t like the plasma gun

[marble mantle]

It’s pretty boring

[lusty sapphire]

I didn't even take it on purpose as you've seen I slid onto it

Then I tried just to jump off

[foggy granite]

Las pistol tho

Its peak

[lusty sapphire]

And I fucked up

[wraith perch]

is boltgun viable? if so, any recommended build, I'd like something that also benefits melee and infiltrator at the same time

[marble mantle]

Yeah lmfao that is by far the worst ladder in the game

[foggy granite]

Ehh

[marble mantle]

Incredibly yes

[foggy granite]

I’m
Not a fan of its ammo reserves

I’m fairly trigger happy so I love my las pistol

[marble mantle]

Idk abt infiltrate with it but I’m sure someone knows something

[marble mantle]

Yeah it’s ammo hungry

Very strong though

[wraith perch]

I used a crappy one been still low level and it felt good

[marble mantle]

Chews through whatever you put it in front of

[wraith perch]

I imagine later with 70%+ reload speed, etc, would be viable?

[marble mantle]

Reload is always gonna be slow regardless, but I’m sure you can find a build for it with someone in here.

[wraith perch]

but I'm also a melee fan so I don't mind running out of ammo from time to time

[foggy granite]

Its armor piercing is weird

[wraith perch]

whats the website to look for builds? I know there are some pinned on this channel but not sure

[astral ingot]

Darktide gameslantern if you need ideas

They are not the best but if you do not know what nodes to take it is better than nothing

[foggy granite]

Imo I just got for more ammo more sprint and emphasis on long range damage

[marble mantle]

What does a perfect combat blade look like?

[radiant chasm]

got dum dum 4 from melk

[radiant chasm]

for commando vet grabbing serrated blade talent (uncanny+ mercy killer)

otherwise, i'm not entirely sure, but if you are going mostly ranged boosting talents, i'd go uncanny+ executor on the mk6 specifically

[radiant chasm]

threads on discord

#1158835044006232215

fucking, 200k dockets in CIAG and none had good stats

[grand perch]

only 200k? those are rookie numbers

[pallid jetty]

bleed on bodyshot + weakspot dmg against bleeding

perks are... carapace at least

other is whatever, except crit if you're zealot

not 100% still

[grand perch]

dont put lacerate on knife (non-weakspot hits do bleed) if you wanna optimise it

[pallid jetty]

"optimise it"

[grand perch]

ive been running that a long time just for fun and mindless leftclick spamming into hordes

[pallid jetty]

maaan shutyo...

[grand perch]

hes asking for a perfect combat blade

dont recommend lacerate.

[pallid jetty]

get back to zealot channel

lacerate is mega good

[grand perch]

lol

lmao even

use this @marble mantle

[pallid jetty]

omfg the tables

bruh

i wouldnt even laugh if i learn you make videos like "auric maelstrom true solo"

seeing how elites melt when you use infiltrate and run through their lines, slashing everyone feels super good

[marble mantle]

Thanks!

[pallid jetty]

and i myself dont like using armor-piersing blessings and equipment cause i constantly have teammates that watch yt guides like "best build for auric one button smasher", and they just run plasma + p sword + krak, so i dont have to deal with carapace myself

[marble mantle]

So wait is flesh tearer not a pog

[grand perch]

no

[pallid jetty]

nah

not consistent

[grand perch]

dunno about zealot, they have way more crit, dont use on vet

[pallid jetty]

on zealot it works better

[radiant chasm]

uncanny+ flesh tearer can work but you basically have to go commando for it and it is worse than mercy killer in terms of raw killing power

[faint beacon]

"Man I need a Rashad for my Zealot" lol, lmao

hopefully its the dump stat

[grand perch]

congrats

[faint beacon]

its borderline bricked, it didn't get anything good

im just going to hold onto it till the rework comes out

[grand perch]

rashad grind is painful

[faint beacon]

Huge amounts of copium

but its Useable

[grand perch]

remember to kill hadron sometime for giving you sprint efficiency

[vast edge]

The rework couldn't come sooner.

[livid forge]

Nice gift for finally leveling my vet to 30 lol

Instant power cycler IV from melk

[wraith perch]

I'm more comfortable with tactical axe than knife

[marble mantle]

Which one would y’all take if any

Also great movement tech on my part lmao

[thick kestrel]

Darktide Market Gardening

[tame lodge]

Relatable

[marble mantle]

Oh wait two of these were the same one

[faint beacon]

Bro wtf is my luck with Zealot, I dislike playing this class

and im rolling nothing but 370's

and above

[marble mantle]

: (

[faint beacon]

I think the game is telling me to play it more

[grand perch]

this one i think? though i dont remember if you should have 49+ mobility or 51+, but the penetration is worth it

damage wise this is excellent

[coral willow]

only having 1 weapon is cursed

[last parcel]

= 51 mob in most cases, but knife doesn't lose dodge until <20ish (17 i think)
60 pen is fine with uncanny
@marble mantle i'd choose the one that rolls better

[foggy wadi]

Ive been hitting up all diffculty levels using columnus mk V auto gun and the mk xll chainaxe. its been doing very well. I was just wondering if anything out there is a bit stronger?

[lyric dock]

It's a solid loadout

But try out other things. Variety is the spice of life

Who knows. You may find a sleeper hit just sitting there in your inventory

[pastel yew]

plasma gun rashad

revolver rashad with weapon specialist

I'm not super keen on the chainaxes to be honest though

they're so chodey

they should be two handed

[lyric dock]

I would like to try the Rashad, but can't get a good stat like at all

[grand perch]

yeah what hadron does is the real decider here

[foggy wadi]

whats Rashad?

[last parcel]

rashad mk 2 combat axe

[marble mantle]

Maybe a little

It’s all I use lol

[marble mantle]

Oh okay bet

[foggy wadi]

ah okay ty. i take it that i good at taking out armored

[grand perch]

its good at taking out anything

its a beautiful can do axe

[foggy wadi]

I'll see about making one then.

Best blessing and perks?

[grand perch]

needs high stats tho to hit breakpoints, but dont ask me the specifics

[last parcel]

you want to oneshot both bruisers

the flak helmet guy and the other one

[lyric dock]

Dreg and Scab melee fodder I call them

[foggy wadi]

So im thinking the first option on that chart then.

flak and eltie for the perks

[last parcel]

the underlined perks and blessings are the priority ones

[foggy wadi]

time t ospend 500k alone on finding one decent one i can make just to have shit perks and blessing on it XD

[last parcel]

low estimate for rashad

[foggy wadi]

I mean.....

Okay! Not to bad. I just need to wait to find a head take IV

[tame lodge]

Omg decapitator hi

[coral willow]

i cant seem to oneshot dreg bruisers whatever i do :(

[radiant chasm]

i'd swap to rashad instead of mk12 chaxe

probably the only way to go up with that build, CIAG is the strongest gun in the game that isn't a single shot cleave machine

[foggy wadi]

i just made a rashad. see above

damn. im getting everything but headtaker

[gilded wraith]

Is it possible to one-shot both without flak and unarmored perks without headtaker stacks?

[radiant chasm]

prob gonna need to invest in some melee talents for that

[foggy wadi]

What should i replace maniacs to?

[radiant chasm]

zealots can skip unarmored and grab maniac instead but idk if vet can,

[faint beacon]

Vet needs Unarmored

I do recall Zealot can get away with not needing it cause of the handful of talents that will allow bypassing breakpoints

[coral willow]

marty scream

[lusty sapphire]

Where's this from btw?

Browser tool? App? Guide?

[grand perch]

its @tall torrent's WIP guide

[terse idol]

Do you have unarmoured and

Brutal momental

Imo minimum stats for a rashad are like 70% for all damage values

First target needs to be near max

[tall torrent]

This is a little outdated, Rashad stagger rating I moved to 7

[tall torrent]

Flesh tearer is good

[coral willow]

888 except on finesse, 67%

[tall torrent]

I just ran out of space

[terse idol]

Finesse is also important

Uhh

Do yoooou have

+weak point damage

On your tree

How much damage on a dredge bruiser are ya missing

Cause it's 1 tap headshot

[tall torrent]

Unarmored is underlined, meaning it’s a “must take”

[radiant chasm]

dreg bruisers are flak heads

bucket head

[terse idol]

Woops

[radiant chasm]

scab bruisers are the opposite, unarmored head, flak chest

[terse idol]

Scab bruiser

I'm a doodoo

[wise jackal]

Wtf is the difference between a scab and a dreg flamer

Dregs are annoying because they can look like ally fire bombs in the heat of battle

[foggy wadi]

and thats for hoards correct?

[tall torrent]

Scab bruiser 1 hit kill

U end up killing 4 of each bruisers per swing

And outperform basically every other melee weapon in terms of horde clear

[foggy wadi]

which mobs are brusiers?

im looking on https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies?faction=renegade

[foggy wadi]

ah! there they are

[lean bloom]

Meta weapons for the veteran?

[wraith perch]

Deadshot or Precision Strikes?

[heavy rover]

i prefer precision strikes

[pastel yew]

depends on your skill level, and how much shit you got to burn I guess

ultimate strongest would be the plasma gun +rashad or mk6 power sword

but there are loads of good weapons

honestly vet has the healthiest mix of guns, and their skill tree can make underperforming weapons significantly stronger

healthy mix of melee too

there aren't many weapons on vet that are outright bad, at least not many patterns I guess

[tall torrent]

Rashad mk2 combat axe + Zarona mk2 revolver

[grand perch]

except shredder autopistol of course

nobody likes shredder autopistol

[pastel yew]

yeah though my understanding was because it got nerfed into the ground

I never used it as it seemed boring mechanically so I can't really comment

maybe it'll get the recon treatment of strong > nerfed into the shit > buffed back to being good again

[grand perch]

yeah same here, but you could just spray down range and kill everything including crushers it was stupid

i do enjoy it on zealot though with the perfect accuracy on dodge talent

[pastel yew]

a weapon with pinning fire being busted... having pinning fire get nerfed while also having the weapon get nerfed leaving it in a bad state...

I'm getting deja vu

[pale spear]

which one would you pick on a vet crit/weakspot build and why?

[pastel yew]

I prefer the m2 but like, neither of these is gonna be awful

[hearty panther]

"but it bad against crushers!!" - pre-patch 13 shredder copers

[pastel yew]

weakspot damage works the same on guns

it's misleading and silly

[heavy rover]

both are good, it's down to preference imo. Mk ii is pretty ammo efficient, but mk vii is very good for crowd control

[grand perch]

just keep both, different marks

[pastel yew]

yeah if you have a finesse weapon

though it's still misleading

[hearty panther]

recons are not one of them sadly

[pastel yew]

I thought for the longest time it was just flat 10% extra base damage on head shot

alas

[pale spear]

i got krak grenades for that and executioner stance deals a suprising amount of damage

[hearty panther]

those didnt exist yet

well, xstance did

but not the krak

[heavy rover]

yeah, i'd keep both of them if you have the option. Easy to swap between the two

[pale spear]

so what should i replace the damge thing with then?

[pale spear]

what do you mean?

[pastel yew]

psyker has some neat stuff with crit and high fire rate, a lot of options within their 3 major choices to make up for holes in builds too

[hearty panther]

it didnt really matter anyway since before we got xbox launch, there would be like six crushers in an entire match if you were lucky

[pastel yew]

10% weakspot damage on weapons, is just a 10% bonus... to the extra damage you get from a headshot

not the total damage

[tall torrent]

Flak/maniac

[hearty panther]

but also yes pinning fire doubling the damage of soulblaze ult, very normal and cool

literally wipe an entire screen before you even see them leave their spawn

[pastel yew]

there is still some janky features with those blessings I think

[hearty panther]

people said the game was unplayable after they got rid of that shit lmao

its incredible

[pastel yew]

using the special attack on some force swords counts as multiple hits in terms of stacking it

not tested it myself but I remember there being something really stupid there

[hearty panther]

yes each pulse from deimos/obscur special

[pastel yew]

silly stuff, silly stuff

yeah that's about where I'm at

it's not great on horde clear but theres so much other shit in the psyker kit that makes up that weakness

[hearty panther]

idk why they gave that thing knife mobility

[pastel yew]

in exchange for a ridiculous weapon

mk4 is one of the strongest melee weapons in the game, it's massively slept on by the general community I think

[white minnow]

it had the mobility and then they buffed it to absurd damages for some reason

oh people do not sleep on it at all

[hearty panther]

its pretty wildly popular

[pastel yew]

I only ever see the illisi in auric tbh

[hearty panther]

illisi perhaps come closer in ubiquity but thats for ease of use

[pastel yew]

or a knife

I've definitely seen more knife psykers than dueling swords

[white minnow]

and not to speak of the staffs

[hearty panther]

no azrael you idiot you gotta hose down the horde with smite first

[white minnow]

knife has its own cult so i'm unsurprised

[pastel yew]

warpstack is the most boring keystone for sure though

[hearty panther]

thats how you do the big crowd clear!!

[pastel yew]

not a massive fan

[hearty panther]

did u know smackdown stacks twice??

[white minnow]

your parents should disown you

[hearty panther]

bold of you to assume i was borne from human means

sadly true, yes

fucking WHY fatshark

did you buff EP smite

things are so spread out

[elder fiber]

If it leads to smite being removed/reworked it'll be for the best

[hearty panther]

that left click is clutch

things i like about smite:

• instant draw to left click fire
• instant stagger application with left click
• tossing enemies aside with right click > facing direction
  things i do not like:
• holding down right click indefinitely

if they just forced smite right click to automatically end after like, 40% perils gain

you'd solve so much of the stupidity

just by design

[white minnow]

the design is just inherently bad because it turns off the overwhelming majority of enemies

[hearty panther]

there are many solutions that are not an overall rework

[white minnow]

besides the fact that it also does good damage alongside that, i do not consider mechanics that completely disable enemies with such inane uptime to be ever fine

[hearty panther]

we live in a psykhanium

also like

[white minnow]

but still boring

[hearty panther]

maybe let players fuckin overheat and die

[white minnow]

i'd just completely revamp it into something more interesting

[hearty panther]

if they mash it down all the way to 100%

its so generous lol

[elder fiber]

At least shorter chain length would mean it isn't making my game as miserable when somebody else uses it

[white minnow]

at least with smite having the safety mechanism, it's the same as purg so it's whatevs

[hearty panther]

the thing with the chain length is that it's not like the enemy treats smite as a pool of fire

they'll just keep walking into it and get stunned

[white minnow]

i'd just sidestep that conversation by considering an entirely different design for smite

[hearty panther]

it solves the annoyance of having to run around and bonk them

but its sitll just some dickhead holding right click

[white minnow]

psyker already has plenty of options if you don't want to aim

and if you don't want to interact with melee

[hearty panther]

god it's so generous lol

[elder fiber]

ps kill trauma plz

[white minnow]

it'd still be a "stun these few enemies but you also can't do anything else" blitz

which does not sound like peak engagement to me

[hearty panther]

also that reddit thread about the smyker

[white minnow]

no it's not

[hearty panther]

that was a fun read on my smoke break

me whenever i fight on a staircase with my trauma staff 😦

[white minnow]

it's also annoying to use to people because they can't ever associate projectile weapons with its aiming system

it has the same problem of good damage + good AoE + good stagger

[elder fiber]

nah I'm sick of my screen being filled with blue shit while trauma psyker jorks off on everything in front of me to "help"

[white minnow]

and it's not like actual projectile weapons where it has a travel time

[hearty panther]

ye it just BOOM

[white minnow]

so it ends up being easy to aim once you get over the gimmick of there being no aiming arc like grenades/rumblers have

[hearty panther]

and like a fukken 12m radius of dudes are now soulblazed to boot

[white minnow]

annihilate the radius it has and/or raise its peril gen if it wants to keep its power per cast

[terse idol]

It does help however

[white minnow]

both, preferably

[elder fiber]

yeah it helps make the game more boring and unpleasant to play

[terse idol]

This is the difference between me having to use my brain power to kill a horde or just killing stunned enemies for free and focusing my attention elsewhere

[white minnow]

so that people have to actually aim the trauma, and that it gets to maintain the power per cast while reducing its effective fire rate while keeping the identity of good stagger + damage

[faint beacon]

Smyker son or Trauma Staff Daughter

[terse idol]

If you use the standard shovel, those enemies are on the floor not dead

Bad game design

Should be dead/10

[faint beacon]

I’d rather deal with the orbital ground nukes than the drop your FPS

[terse idol]

People underestimate CC

Is what I'm trying to say

[elder fiber]

I'm not saying it isn't fucking strong lol

[white minnow]

but it is boring as hell and also we already have baseline degenerate amounts of stagger

stagger falloff is not a thing for a majority of weapons

[terse idol]

Boring and unpleasant ain't ideally descriptors but sure

[faint beacon]

I mean to be fair you barely see any vet use shovels

[white minnow]

it absolutely is boring when a single player gets to turn off a deathball

[faint beacon]

If the players die to that deathball

[elder fiber]

yeah I'd be cool with it being a high reward death pillar instead of basically a free grenade that you can spam until you explode that sometimes crits

[faint beacon]

Ahem

Skill is-

[white minnow]

yeah being able to target shit in a horde is COOL

too bad trauma also has a significant radius to make that absolutely trivial and to give it just baseline strength against clumps of enemies

[grand perch]

im just gonna say i dont mind smite. that is all.

[white minnow]

i think their design is just boring or makes other playstyles boring

like, playing a game with somebody who spams smite or trauma is just boring when enemies are constantly staggered or the trauma psyker decides to focus their trauma on you when you're dealing with enemies in melee, completely eliminating any reason you had to melee

[faint beacon]

Tbh psyker in general can just be described as “boring” with a portion of their shit

[white minnow]

pretty much
i'm fine with stuff being milquetoast but the boringness should be isolated to the users themselves and not to other players in the team

[faint beacon]

Honestly the Purgatus staff would be one of my gripes with how pathetically easy it is to just CC

[gilded rock]

I think psyker's op stuff other than smite silliness can definitely be put on the back burner when compared to other things

[faint beacon]

Press M1 stagger anything

[white minnow]

infinite cleave is just silly

[faint beacon]

Inf cleave knives

Lmao

[white minnow]

just make it finite cleave by some way so that it can be balanced instead of potentially scaling as enemies get more and more concentrated

[elder fiber]

yeah finite cleave + much higher dmg when concentrating the hose on enemies could be cool

[bronze patio]

is this good?

[sonic skiff]

Anyone have a good crit build for double barrel?

[terse idol]

That's pretty bad

Finesse is too low, groaners is bad, melee crit damage is bad

[gilded rock]

All three of them have a dumpstat that hurts them, I would take slaughterer off of the psword and ghost off of the headhunter if you want

[bronze patio]

How do you play Veterans at higher levels

[sonic skiff]

Anyone know the breakpoint requirements for DB? Even with maniac +25% a crit can leave them at a sliver

[gilded rock]

You gotta get real close at times. It can be a frustrating thing to hit sometimes. Run n Gun's tiny bit of extra damage helps me hit it sometimes

Helps with killing other things at a higher range as well

[foggy wadi]

blessing and perks we pick can be replaced correct?

[severe gale]

manstopper and scattershot

with deadshot

and thatll be plenty

[pseudo fiber]

Yes

If you've replaced something it can be switched an infinite number of times

[foggy wadi]

sweet! spent a lot of mats and i couldnt get a head taker iv XD but i have a 3 atm

[pastel yew]

trauma psykers using their staff to knock down an enemy you were about to one shot in melee forcing your swing to miss and having to attack again will never not be annoying -_-

honestly I think darktide players in general have terrible target prio

always shooting things that are about to die to another player, like.. chill.. kill something slightly further out

[final stone]

the joke is that it was 13337

which is l33t

which is leet

which is elite

https://tenor.com/view/aslan-do-not-cite-the-ancient-magic-to-me-witch-i-was-there-when-it-was-written-narnia-the-chronicles-of-narnia-gif-13149002

[winter grove]

Green headhunter is bad

[winter grove]

I click heads with mg12 and everything dies in one shot

[cold shell]

brick or fix?

[faint beacon]

I think that’s sadly a brick

You could snag it for the upcoming update seeing it has high stats

[pastel yew]

you have so much melk money I'dbuy it just for the t4

even if youd on't keep it for the future, from what I'm aware all known blessings get converted into weapon xp in the new system

in the meantime couldbe fun to try out and see what you can get a crusher breakpoint to

[cold shell]

;_;7

[cold shell]

how will it work anyway?

[pastel yew]

from my understanding its a complete overhaul, but so players that already put grind in aren't fucked over

any current blessings you have

I think are kept?

and/or converted directly into weapon xp

[cold shell]

So should I hold onto it for the long term so it gets nuked into weapon xp?

or nuke it so I get weapon xp?

[pastel yew]

I think nuke it

remove the t4 blessing for thrust

also just nice to have in the collection

[cold shell]

true, that's what I did

[faint beacon]

Honestly it’s up to you

You could either hold onto it till the rework drops

Or, wait till you get a better Rashad and nuke it for Thrust

[thorn lark]

first target low....

[marble mantle]

I’m gonna replace riposte to mercy killer, but which perk should I change?

I’m assuming groaners and pox

Also, what should I change it to, maniac or unyielding?

[faint beacon]

Hence I said await the rework, they can boost that stat up once it drops

[marble mantle]

Oh wait nvm

This pic says carapace

The pinned build says something different

[thorn lark]

maybe that would be at the expense of other modifiers. Imagine if you could go above 80 in some areas but you just wasted your allocated points to bring that first target to something acceptable

[winter grove]

Prob unyielding

[thorn lark]

unyielding yeah

[winter grove]

Since for carapace you got uncanny

[marble mantle]

Ohhhh okay okay

Yeah

[thorn lark]

also, you got nades

[marble mantle]

Makes sense

[winter grove]

For ragers you get elite dmg btw

[marble mantle]

Alright bet unyielding

[winter grove]

It's not better than maniac damage

But it's better than nothing

[thorn lark]

elite is broader

[winter grove]

Elite is for everything that shoot or melee's you

Like ragers, gunners, crushers and maulers

Also shotgunners

Those are elite

[thorn lark]

reapers too

[winter grove]

Oh and ogryns

But you got unyielding for those

It's pretty easy to differentiate elites and specials

Elites are just like regular enemies, but just much better

And specials are everyone else that acts different from "hit with melee" or "shoot with gun"

[marble mantle]

Does penetration matter on rashad?

[thorn lark]

yeah

dmg, finesse, first target and penetration all affect your overall dmg

this is why it's a pain to roll an excellent Rash

[tall torrent]

groaners to carapace. this is fine

knife has a lot of good blessings

[idle pecan]

With my build im considering dropping precision strikes and superiority complex to pick up grenade tinkerer to buff the shredder nades

opinions?

mostly because with tinkerer the shredder nade ticks can kill a majority of the smaller horde members

[marble mantle]

Ok I’m in love with the combat blade

I used it when I used to play Psyker but nuts it’s really good on vet

[foggy wadi]

Is there an ideal tree to go down when using the MK II Combat Axe and MK V Autogun?

[pastel yew]

feels extremely questionable

I'd go into the psykanium and test your break points with that build and those weapons

and see the hit to kill difference

because a lot of weapons gain a lot from those talents

you'd probably need more grenade generation than just the 1 a minute to make that worth it

and there are likely less important things to cut elsewhere in your tree depending on what you are using

[tall torrent]

why can't u do that with melee instead

[hearty panther]

just toss two nades tbh

[marble mantle]

Would there be value in using shredder nades with mercy killer?

Would bleed large groups

[languid dune]

So I'm never sure what perks I should have on Plasma

[marble mantle]

Elites and flak I think

[languid dune]

Yeah my current is Maniac and Elites

but I'm failing to one headshot scab gunners so I'll try flak instead

[marble mantle]

So I’m planning to make a build surrounding the combat blade, planning on using infiltrate and WS, but don’t really know how I should get from A - B - C. Lemme know if you have any good ideas.

[tall torrent]

why WS for knife

knife is one of the few weapons that don't benefit a lot from +atk speed

[marble mantle]

Because it makes my knifing even faster, improves my dodges during, and I can switch off of it to something longer range to deal with something further out

Also I want to

Super easy to build stacks with too

[torpid grotto]

Is better if you dont get WS and use the points to get the elites and ogryn damage talents on the bottom

[tall torrent]

the difference is that +atk speed for knife is like at most a 2~2.5% increase in dps

which just isn't worth it lol

[marble mantle]

Alright then, what’s your suggestion?

I’m assuming there’s a better alternative

[torpid grotto]

I basically had your build with WS but some guy in here helped me improve it. Can I see your tree?

[tall torrent]

focus target benefits knife more

[marble mantle]

I haven’t really set it up yet I’m still in the spitballing stage

[marble mantle]

Oh okay

Planning on running a lighter range weapon too like bistol and heavy laspistol or revolver

Something precise and long range

[torpid grotto]

Yeah whatever you want works with knife

[pastel yew]

marksman keystone

unironically

[marble mantle]

Do you have a tree setup for this? Or am I working from scratch

[winter grove]

Every FT build looks the same

[tall torrent]

don't yet have

[marble mantle]

I’ll make mine on the editor and send it here for criticism

[tall torrent]

idk

I don't take infil much cuz extra point tax

[torpid grotto]

I think he wanted mercy killer with the bleed on hit talent

[tall torrent]

then it's even worse point economy

[marble mantle]

This is what I have

[marble mantle]

Yep

[tall torrent]

why 8 stacks

that's the worst upgrade for FT

[marble mantle]

More damage against targets I guess

Idk lol

[torpid grotto]

I was assuming you'd go mercy killer uncanny

[marble mantle]

Okay so that’s the first change then

[marble mantle]

Yep

[torpid grotto]

Uncanny is kind of a must take on knife

[marble mantle]

I am

[torpid grotto]

Ok gotcha

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c864786-4e7c-4397-bbb5-306391a1bba2/eee-3

Heres what I use for mercy killer uncanny

I got rid of the grenade recharge ability to save points, took demolition team instead

[marble mantle]

Ok I think I got mine fixed!

Thanks!

[torpid grotto]

Cool

[marble mantle]

I’m just gonna run bare keystone for FT

[tall torrent]

don't take that node

if u go FT just take redirect fire

and maybe stam/toughness gain

but not 8 stacks

[marble mantle]

Is it worth to just take the basic keystone?

I would think so

But worth the ask

[torpid grotto]

Youre missing out on the elite damage talent I think if you spend points on it

[marble mantle]

I just barely got superiority

[midnight totem]

alrighty. Anybody up for games?

[marble mantle]

By taking only basic keystone

[torpid grotto]

I guess the one point isnt gonna matter much then unless youre missing a stam regen node or something

[formal hamlet]

Hey amigos, I'm jumping back into Darktide and I noticed a recent patch changed the recon lasguns up, right? I had a build that used to be meta but got nuked when the recon lasguns got nerfed, you think maybe now I can use it again?

[marble mantle]

I’m either gonna take stam regen, rending, or brittleness

One of the 3

Probably don’t need rending right

[torpid grotto]

Yeah imo you need at least one stam regen

Always

[marble mantle]

Yeah okay I’ll run that then

[tall torrent]

for knife I think 1 stam regen delay is mandatory lol

[marble mantle]

Okay bet

[tall torrent]

knife uses PA way too much for 1s regen delay to be tolerable

[tall torrent]

only stam regen here matters for knife

[torpid grotto]

Yeah theyre great

[tall torrent]

knife has uncanny so u don't need rending or brittle ever

[marble mantle]

Okay bet

[marble mantle]

Okie dokie, thanks

Now I just need to upgrade my +3 stamina curios

[formal hamlet]

What made them much better now? I think before their ammo hungriness made them not desirable, right?

[torpid grotto]

They straight up have more power now iirc

Ammo isnt really a problem either

As long as you dont spam it at every horde

[formal hamlet]

Yeah but it's really cool spraying from left to right at head-level on a horde to see how many heads pop.

[torpid grotto]

Yeah as long as you do it when you abaolutely need to (buncha ragers in the horde)

[wraith locust]

i just had the craziest game

3 recon lasgun vets

that never pulled out melee

truly astounding

this is what one was running

i am amazed

[midnight totem]

Did ya win?

[fading yarrow]

Hey y'all, which knife is best?

I'm running out of organs to sell to fund my escapades into Brunt's slots

[midnight totem]

I usually don't level up any weapon under 360 base rating

but thats me

[wraith locust]

yea barely

[formal hamlet]

My dream.

[pastel yew]

bro loves that fuckin tree

[wraith locust]

i like the challenge so i had fun

but its just funny to see

LOL

holy shi

[midnight totem]

alas

[wraith locust]

i love stuff like this

bros are just chilling and gaming

[pastel yew]

that is... such an unreasonable amount of damage to take

that's more than I take on full int zealot

though I guess the real number that matters is number of downs

[midnight totem]

whelp, guess nobody is playing atm

[fiery wave]

It’s including toughness

Or they suck

[thorn lark]

what is your setting for power di? i'd like to use it but i don't want to impact my performance

[torpid grotto]

Ive never seen someone take 3,500 damage

[fiery wave]

I once took 10k+ with a group of friends

[tall torrent]

it's only health dmg

[torpid grotto]

Isnt that like

13 deaths

[fiery wave]

Ye

Fucking hilarious

Did 4m damage

[serene bough]

Reeee

Flight delays

What is vet chat doing

[hidden timber]

what do i modify on the lasgunÉ

[radiant chasm]

both blessings gone, get headhunter dum dum or since it's a 6d get headhunter infernus

[thorn lark]

bloop, on a scryer psyker would you go 6d hh + infernus or 2 hh + infernus / dumdum?

[terse idol]

Best to ask in psyker

[radiant chasm]

no fucking idea

i don't play gunker

i play psyker to be a space wizard not be a force sensitive shooty mcgee

[thorn lark]

😢

[feral stratus]

I started to notice something. Krak grenades made a lot of veterans not able to deal with armored enemies without using the grenades

They don't know how to deal with bulkwards or crushers without using the krak

[radiant chasm]

Kinda, some people just dont play around armor period, they just let a teammate deal with it

[tall torrent]

U should do Infernus + dum dum, get true aim & scrier’s gaze and just live in perma 25%+ crit chance

[thorn lark]

oh true

[tall torrent]

Dum dum has a unique interaction with Infernus where it boosts infernus’ DOT Dmg and gains stacks from infernus’ DOT ticks

[radiant chasm]

Honestly

I dont feel like recon is worth on gunker over CIAG

[thorn lark]

it's different

[radiant chasm]

Since no ammo regen/boosts

[thorn lark]

pew pew instead of brrrrrrrr

[uncut pebble]

The mk7 recon allowing me to absolutely butcher groups of elites is great.

[radiant chasm]

CIAG is a monster and recon only really shines with vet shit like shocktrooper

[uncut pebble]

I pop exe stance and everything just dies.

[somber axle]

Scriers Gaze and True Aim make Headhunter unnecessary for any Recons on Psyker imo. You can get reliable and consistent crits without needing Headhunter to still get good value out of Infernus. No Shock Trooper either so the crits are there to feed Infernus. Dum Dum boosts Infernus dot damage too. Dum Dum + Infernus works on Psyker. You NEED Headhunter for Vet though because no Scriers or True Aim. Most people don't go Deadshot for Recons. Without Deadshot or Headhunter a Veteran using a Recon has too low crit chance to get value out of Dum Dum + Infernus. Vet base crit chance 5% + 5% crit chance talent node + 5% crit weapon perk means at best you have 15% crit chance without Deadshot or Headhunter. The RNG will leave you high and dry most fights. And you definitely don't want Deadshot on a Recon Mk VId unless you are as silly as me running triple stam curios because the fast firerate will evaporate your stamina too fast and the reduced accuracy when hip firing is too wild to maintain consistent head tracking for Headhunter crits otherwise

Also! Psyker True Aim is just incredibly strong for Recon Mk VId Infernus Dum Dum shenanigans

[drowsy aspen]

A legendary brick

[somber axle]

Every 5 weakspot hits is a guaranteed crit

[drowsy aspen]

Truly, a bricking for the ages

[gilded rock]

Yapville amirite

(thank you for explaining in detail)

[somber axle]

Oh I can do a tl;dr

[gilded rock]

"take click head blessing, click heads"

[pastel yew]

are there any like... good darktide content creators left that focus on weapon / skill discussion?

I feel like all the ones that I used to watch are now playing hell divers instead

the online scene for darktide seems dead as hell

[gilded rock]

https://tenor.com/view/animation-cartoons-toons-looney-tunes-bugs-bunny-gif-14827589

[thorn lark]

ryken left the boat

[somber axle]

Veteran: Headhunter and Dum Dum or Infernus
Psyker: Dum Dum and Infernus

[pastel yew]

a shame as I liked his stuff

[gilded rock]

If there are they're not popular enough

[thorn lark]

you can watch telopots and reginald just came back

[gilded rock]

The people who have good weapon takes are too busy writing guides in the class chats LOL

(i.e. ogrynomicon)

[pastel yew]

we'll see if reginald continues to make regular content though as I still think he's doing helldivers stuff, telepots is fun though he's more background chill than information

[thorn lark]

i hate telopts thumbnails

[pastel yew]

I just need chill info while I eat my food ;-;

rather than testing everything myself

[thorn lark]

you're like, nice he will speak about the weapon

but he's just wanking himself

[thorn lark]

more monnies in hd2 maybe

[gilded rock]

Likely story, social media latched onto HD2 like nothing else in a long while

Died way down as of late though I think

Darktide never got that kind of treatment unfortunately, kind of deserves to get a boost like that imo

[somber axle]

Youtubers chase views and popularity. Darktide is tiny compared to the Helldivers 2 community. Larger possible audience creating content for a game with hundreds of thousands of players vs Darktide edging but not quite meeting 10k during content release patches

We're still a solid community but we're itty bitty compared to others

I mostly just watch Mr. Unc and ChocoB but I don't think either one does weapon breakdowns or talent tree explanations

[pastel yew]

for sure

unfortunately

as I'm not really a fan of that game at all

[thorn lark]

it's around 30k now

[gilded rock]

I would definitely call it a cult following sort of deal

[thorn lark]

i went to darktide for the melee + shooter experience in a grim dark environment, being a wh fan myself

so hd2 never had any appeal for me tbh

[somber axle]

Oh wow yeah Helldivers 2 dropped off pretty hard LOL

Still a strong number for a community but the Sony stuff definitely soured people from continuing the game

[gilded rock]

I kind of figured it would, solid player retention though

[pastel yew]

I'm gonna throw out a potentially controversial take but, hell divers is nothing special the only reason it got big is from the memes

in the same way that among us blew up

and lethal company

and fall guys

[thorn lark]

and asmongold

[gilded rock]

The first game was a bit more special for the time period, I think 2 is definitely still a unique and great experience though

[pastel yew]

I think the main strength is that its cinematic as hell

like that game always looks fantastic

[gilded rock]

Just not hugely replayable as much as DT imo

[pastel yew]

but it is not that engaging

and the combat feels awful

and the animations are jank and snap

[gilded rock]

Your primary WILL be dog ass and you WILL like it

[thorn lark]

dt can be very tense and cinematic in auric t5 / mael

[gilded rock]

Granted some feel good but the fact that it isn't the standard blows a little

[thorn lark]

it's just that sedition or malice players will never see that

[pastel yew]

yeah but it's a lot harder to see that as an outside perspective

as its first person and theres a lot going on, an observer isn't clocking the same information you are constantly in game

whereas hell divers looks like a fucking movie

[gilded rock]

It's a one of a kind experience tbh

[pastel yew]

the music the effects the third person perspective

[gilded rock]

Not even VT2 gets to those levels as far as I've gotten in it

[pastel yew]

vt2 is even worse for it xd since you can't see shit when things get packed

most of your screen is just blood

I really should go back and play more vermintide though

[somber axle]

It was very special imo. A very fun game. Friends and I played it a BUNCH and the gameplay loop was very fun. The memes were top tier. Malevelon Creek memes will always hold a special place in my heart. But ultimately the gameplay loop just stopped being fun for me and most of my friends, and the Sony controversy turned me off entirely from touching it ever again. Using an Anti-Material Rifle to snipe Hulk heads is still a special feeling. Doing it pre-buff was harder to pull off and still so satisfying. But I will always say that Railgun users are babies and their whining was the most insufferable thing I've seen from a community since WoW PvP forums LMFAO

[gilded rock]

The blood is charming until you start taking hits because of it

I also clown on DT's audio at times but it is leagues and LEAGUES better than VT2s

[somber axle]

Spear was also hilarious when it was buggy and broken

[pastel yew]

it just never clicked with me, in my head it was competing with deep rock galactic and darktide... it was almost definitely never gonna win that

the blood does a lot to make things feel hectic and tense though

[gilded rock]

Back warning audio playing only after you already took the fucking hit is so obnoxious in VT2

[pastel yew]

I never really got that deep into vermintide

[gilded rock]

Like thank you for making the audio a piss in the wind and also take a whole second for it to be audible

[old quail]

a lot of the higher end hd2 gameplay is "apply correct tool to shoot bad guy" and "run away from the bad guy because he will swarm you otherwise"

[somber axle]

Whatever place it won in your heart, know that Helldivers 2 won the popularity contest hardcore and stomped Darktide numbers AND Deeprock Galactic numbers

[old quail]

which gets old

[somber axle]

Even DRG was only ever 53k all time

[pastel yew]

so did among us

and fall guys

[gilded rock]

This is my big thing with it

[pastel yew]

and all the other games I mentioned

they definitely are not better games than darktide

[somber axle]

28k is still more than twice DRG numbers

[gilded rock]

Darktide has something similar but it does it in a way that's FUN

[somber axle]

Darktide isn't even 10k

[old quail]

hd2's sound design makes me yearn for the tide

[pastel yew]

deep rock is an infinitely better game

[old quail]

the guns sound so lame in comparison

[somber axle]

HD2 got player numbers and profit that DRG and DT wish it could pull

[pastel yew]

true but that profit is not as deserved

like its not an awful game

[somber axle]

Arrowhead and Sony walked away with a LOT of cash even despite players dropping off so hard

[pastel yew]

but its definitely significantly overhyhped

[somber axle]

and they're still walking away with lots of cash considering their community is still holding a strong number

[old quail]

games just dont hold peak playercount regardless of genre

dt release had 100k concurrent

[somber axle]

Yeah tbh most games will drop off player numbers HARD after the first 1-3 months

and continually fall off from there

[pastel yew]

counter strike 2 is way way ahead

and that is a dog shit game

[somber axle]

that Helldivers 2 maintained such a strong momentum is wild

[pastel yew]

total player count isn't a great metric of quality

[somber axle]

it's a metric of popularity and profit

count up that number and multiply it however many times per average purchase

[potent iris]

league of legends

[somber axle]

the money shows where the players flow

[pastel yew]

for sure, though popularity isn't a reward for hard work

its just as much blind luck

[thorn lark]

you can use whatever you want and win aurics and that's fun, no perfect tool for the job

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-xqcl-gif-25519231

[thorn lark]

i'd like less powerful weapons and more fun blessings

the power should be in the talent tree

[somber axle]

TF2 is still going strong even despite a bot crisis that would've killed other games/game communities and they even managed to break their bot crisis

[pastel yew]

bots are gone

I think... not sure

[somber axle]

They're gone for now

[gilded rock]

HD2's whole thing is "You are so insignificant that you will die instantly to almost anything in the game, and you only have four-five impactful things you can change about your gameplay, all of which are requirements for puzzles we force-feed you" and it brings much less replayability for me personally

[uncut pebble]

Real shit? I can demoknight in peace?

[somber axle]

Last I'd heard Valve has someone working in the bot hoster discords passing names to them and scaring the bot hosters from making moves LOL

which has made the bot hosters paranoid and fight amongst each other

less collaboration between them

[gilded rock]

Darktide is like "You have thirty points and two extremely impactful arsenal slots. Make it count"

[somber axle]

harder for them to bounce back from ban waves

losing their main accounts and having proof tying their main accounts to the bot hoster alternate accounts has spooked them

they didn't care when it was just the alternate accounts getting squashed but their main accounts losing however many thousands of hours of progress, items, etc. has definitely made them less interested in their dumbassery

[pastel yew]

never enough points

[somber axle]

and that's real money sunk into HATS

[pastel yew]

honestly the vet tree could use another pass over

[somber axle]

the truest way to strike fear into a TF2 player

lose their hats

[pastel yew]

compare it to the psyker skill tree, they got it so good

please mr gaben don't take my hat

[somber axle]

Yeah you can casual servers are actually fine now LOL

[gilded rock]

Could it? I felt like vet tree is very servicable

All the goodies at the bottom for mix-matching and the necessities at the top

[pastel yew]

ever notice how every single vet build is like

identical

it's always a fork of some kind

[gilded rock]

I suppose

[pastel yew]

a like straight down, then a lil off shoot in the middle to get grenade regen, then all your points spread at the bottom

[gilded rock]

Zealot tree probably has the best design

[pastel yew]

from one end of the tree to the other

zealots is okay, but psykers is so clean and maneuverable

[somber axle]

it's mostly just because every build wants Tactical Awareness and Iron Will, and both are very easy to pick up

[gilded rock]

Other than BR requiring EP lol

[radiant chasm]

Nah zealot has one glaring issue

Banisher can’t be a monospec

[thorn lark]

except crits and chastise being op as fuck

[pastel yew]

like

[somber axle]

there's not really a time to ever ignore Tactical Awareness and Iron Will considering how low they are for point investment and how strong they are for every build

[pastel yew]

why is there a minor node before marksman

[thorn lark]

you don't really have a reason to go middle or left up top

[pastel yew]

and you can avoid all minor nodes up to weapon specialist which is likely the most consistent of the three

[gilded rock]

Exhilarating Takedown for shooty-leaning builds is very, very nice

[thorn lark]

i was talking about zealot

[gilded rock]

OH true

[thorn lark]

for my vet i go middle or rigth depending on the build

[somber axle]

stam regen delay is really, really good and you always want at least one of the stam regen delay nodes if you can reach it either from above Marksman's Focus or Weapon Specialist

[thorn lark]

i kinda like out for blood

[gilded rock]

Yeah middle is almost like wannabe vet territory

[somber axle]

plus it's really easy to reach since usually you're going to grab Superiority Complex anyway

[gilded rock]

No it actually is very much wannabe vet territory

[pastel yew]

I don't always take iron will to be fair

sorta depends on how heavy I wanna run on toughness and if it lacks gen elsewhere

just don't take damage innit

dodge

[potent iris]

more like SOFT will amirite

[somber axle]

for Aurics?

[pastel yew]

ayoo

[pastel yew]

mhm

remember that the only point of health you have that matters

is the last one

if I wasn't going to die without it

iron will did nothing all game

[thorn lark]

iron will saved me so many times from silent crushers

[pastel yew]

its comfy insurance, but if I wanna play something weird or path oddly

I'd rather drop it than squeeze that further

[somber axle]

no Iron Will in an Auric Damnation High Intensity Shock Trooper Gauntlet sounds like insanity because there's no possible way to avoid ALL damage, there's no way to dodge everything, and when you do inevitably take a hit your entire toughness pool vanishes and even Out for Blood isn't going to restore it back to full slamming a Rashad into crowds in time to stop the big chunk of HP damage coming from the follow up hit

[pastel yew]

though I do play mostly for variety than outright 100% efficiency

[pastel yew]

you don't have to dodge everything

like I said, the only health point that matters is the last one

because if you lose that you die

the rest is all cushion

[somber axle]

I mean unless you're like Azrael tier that's kinda asking a lot

[pastel yew]

most of what I run iron will for is to int anyway, purposefully taking damage to position and kill faster

[somber axle]

there's a reason people usually take Iron Will and because it's just so powerful and low investment to get a strong survivability boost

and I think even Azrael consistently takes Iron Will

[pastel yew]

not to be too ego but I think I'm minimum top 5% of auric players

it's not very often that anyone comes close to me on the scoreboard unless I'm running some weird int shit

weird comparison but the game is a lot like rainbow six siege in terms of skill set I guess

and I''ve ranked top 5% there a few times

[somber axle]

I squint at the claim but I also don't really care to verify so like if you're good enough that it works for you, all that matters is that it works for you

just that the average player benefits IMMENSELY from that talent

and that it is so easy to get

like what do you even grab if you're going down middle tree toward rending strikes, focus target, bring it down, etc.?

demo team?

[old quail]

if you're in this discord and found your way to a class chat you're better than most

[uncut pebble]

Only 208 more bodies to drop until I can stop running marksman's focus forever.

[somber axle]

surely not inspiring presence the weakest talent option in that specific line

[pastel yew]

true I think most people here are gonna be significantly more skilled than your average auric player

[pastel yew]

I just don't always path that far down

depends on how many funny grenade talents I wanna take further up

or if there are other nodes I find more fun

[somber axle]

do you go consistently melee Vet with Weapon Specialist

[pastel yew]

20% for ogryns and monstrosities isn't a massive deal if you take kraks anyway

and kraks are all I take 99% of the time since I don't really like frags and hate smokes

[somber axle]

I guess it depends on build because the 20% can be a major talent point for helping hit breakpoints on some builds

[thorn lark]

the best players i have played with do not use that discord

[pastel yew]

yeah though with kraks it's really only gonna help against bosses since the reapers are squishy as hell without it

[thorn lark]

skill =! knowledge

[pastel yew]

and the other ogryns die to kraks

[torpid grotto]

Arent the best players all people with thousands of hours in vt2

[pastel yew]

very true

[somber axle]

I think the only consistent metric for performance is that if a Darktide player uses reddit they're probably really awful at the game and have no idea what proper weapon builds or talent trees look like

[pastel yew]

I'm not 100% knowledgeable on the game, more than most for sure but I still learn new things and interactions all the time

[somber axle]

I've never looked at the Darktide reddit and seen a good take

[thorn lark]

chocob builds are... hu not good, the guy is super good lol

[pastel yew]

I use reddit

[drowsy aspen]

ey Vet gamers

[pastel yew]

though yeah reddit is the bottom of the barrel

[old quail]

theyre all incoherent

[pastel yew]

I made a mega post on the reddit talking about why the plasmagun was op as fuck, and it was controversial as hell at the time

[somber axle]

ok tell the other ones to stop being so stupid (they will not listen)

[drowsy aspen]

Does Out For Blood's 5% extra toughness on kill work for ranged weapons

[thorn lark]

yes

[old quail]

works on everything

[somber axle]

all the worst takes on Darktide I've seen have exclusively been from reddit

[winter grove]

If I use reddit only for the memes does it count

[drowsy aspen]

I'm working on survivability for my Executioner's Stance build

[pastel yew]

yeah pretty much, but I think criticisising the arguments other people put forward gives you a better understanding of what you believe too

[somber axle]

their memes are weak though

[drowsy aspen]

Any big suggestions for Vet survivability

[pastel yew]

even morons can provoke interesting revelations I guess

[winter grove]

Honestly true

[drowsy aspen]

And whingey

[somber axle]

yeah I do that but with people on discord who will record and fact check and verify

[drowsy aspen]

As are we on here, but I see a lot of positivity on here as well

[thorn lark]

iron will, out for blood, confirmed kill

[drowsy aspen]

People love the game too

[pastel yew]

yeah honestly I've been semi glued to vet chat, everyone here's pretty chill

[somber axle]

Vet chat is a lovely place

[drowsy aspen]

Ogryn chat is also super chill

[somber axle]

People here are generally very chill and helpful

[drowsy aspen]

...Ogryn chat is interesting. Not as much number crunching, but a lot of good wisdom besides

[pastel yew]

kinda fitting ;p

though I do think theres also less room for it

[somber axle]

Ogrynomicon exists so they probably just point people to the guide more often

[pastel yew]

a lot of their weapons arent super skill expressive I guess

[drowsy aspen]

Yeaaaa kinda fitting- that's true, for sure

[somber axle]

Ogryns really lucked out with the best resource for their class

[drowsy aspen]

Well. IDK. The difference between a weak ogryn and a skilled one is definitely felt, BUT

[pastel yew]

rock.

[somber axle]

"This rock is a friendly one!"

[drowsy aspen]

...A lot of it is just getting good with the pretty small toolset

Ogryns don't have a lot of variation compared to the other classes

[midnight totem]

sneaky, you up for games?

[drowsy aspen]

which is part of why the Ogrynomicon is a thing

[hoary tide]

Be big, hit hard, help Boss, Shouty and Spark 'Ead when they need it. That's all that's needed. 👌

[drowsy aspen]

It was easier to write, I think. But it's really, really, really good