veteran-class

[shadow aurora]

Same

[hollow briar]

playing with a controller is more comfortable, still not gonna disadvantage myself like that though

[pastel yew]

having headphones cancels that

[crimson pebble]

Its a requirement

[pastel yew]

also as if to prove my point lmao

they should have enjoying 40k in the dsm or whatever that shits called

[coral willow]

so how do i update

[marble mantle]

Rn it’s the DSM 5

DSM 5 TR I think

[crimson pebble]

The atsro a40s and 50s be heavy as hell sometimes

[pastel yew]

I had a friend that bought those and had loads of trouble with em

charging wise n such

which is shocking given the price

[jovial aurora]

just go hyperx

clouds are like top rated for ocmfort

and they don't break the bank

[marble mantle]

My headphones are pretty lightweight. I don’t get heavy ones because it give me brain leak

[pastel yew]

headphones can be steep but... I feel the money is worth it

[crimson pebble]

Iv only heard second hand on the a50s but the a40s are p good tho iv had to go through like 4 diff cords on them over like 6 or 7 years

[pastel yew]

given how much entertainment you can get at a computer or on the go with your phone

nice audio quality is just always going to be good

though it is a premium

[pastel yew]

embrace the wireless

you'll never go back

[marble mantle]

I’ve got headphones for gaming and headphones for music, my gaming ones are light tho they were cheap. My music ones are pretty serious tho

[pastel yew]

I play in a ... pretty funky orientation, so I was constantly damaging my cables

earphones are also like.. dirt cheap for a fine pair

I'd sooner play with those than surround sound

[jovial aurora]

i use jbl protours for my phone and a Cloud Flight Alpha for gaming

[marble mantle]

I loooove JBL

[jovial aurora]

but 9 times out of ten i'm playing on my klipsch 2.1 promedia at my desk

[marble mantle]

I have JBL headphones and earbuds

[crimson pebble]

Im restarted and forget to charge my controller half the time cant add further charging requirements or ill crash

[coral willow]

rate my explosive stuck

[jovial aurora]

the noise cancelling is so good they cancel out the wind at 90MPH on my bike lol

[pastel yew]

highly relatable... that is one struggle

[marble mantle]

Yeah they’re pretty crazy

[crimson pebble]

I always play reclined w feet on bed looking at screen sort of perpendicular

[pastel yew]

at least most things have a long enough battery life that when you're warned you have time to charge one and then the other

[pastel yew]

yo ditto

that's actually why I bought a wireless keyboard

the jostling of it on my lap kept fucking the cable connection

[coral willow]

so how would you guys rate my scoreboard layout

[jovial aurora]

but yeah generally i disagree with the whole headphones are required argument. a proper 2.1 channel desk system will give you just as good spatial awareness provided you have them at the right orientation and volume lol

[pastel yew]

rashad plasma gun is like

probably the strongest set of weapons

plasma gun is easy number 1

[pastel yew]

no audio cancelling though

also headphones are far more convenient

get some wireless ones and you can continue listening to whatever you were watching when you need to get up to grab something or do something

• you can use them for your phone

2 in 1

[jovial aurora]

how are headphones more convienient lol

[crimson pebble]

Id cut out whole offensive score entirely outside of ammo and materials and kills personally not sure how the mod works or if thats possible tho

[jovial aurora]

i can hear my speakers just fine when i get up lol

[pastel yew]

no set up, better audio, audio cancelling, multi platform use

adjustable on the headphones themself too

[jovial aurora]

better audio is highly debatable lol

[shadow aurora]

I dont like headphones but they definitely are more convenient

[coral willow]

you can, ovenproof is nice

[crimson pebble]

I dont use speakers as i do not need the people in my house hearing the things that happen in game out of context

[pastel yew]

it's not at all debatable like

why do you think they use headphones in a music studio lmao

[coral willow]

karking

[idle pecan]

is this good

[pastel yew]

they could afford the best possible surround sound and yet they do not

[jovial aurora]

yeah but your shitty gamer headphones are not those lol

[shadow aurora]

Bad penetration. Trash it

[pastel yew]

it's similar logic, also my headphones aint bad at all

[idle pecan]

wouldnt bru mo make penetration irrelivent

[pastel yew]

I can also mess with the audio in the software

which you can maybe do for surround sound?

[jovial aurora]

those are specialized audiophile headphones that make ANYTHING gaming related look like it comes out of a dollar store

[shadow aurora]

Mobility is the dump stat

[radiant chasm]

I have good headphones yippy

[crimson pebble]

3 am and hearing loose cannon scream at the top of his lung karking thingamabob!

[shadow aurora]

Penetration affects armor damage doesnt it?

[pastel yew]

but its the same logic audio cancelling means you can hear shit better

especially soft and quiet things

that could otherwise get drowned out

[jovial aurora]

you're a soft and quiet thing

[crimson pebble]

Ayo

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/kel-omori-buffer-omocat-omorigame-gif-22940562

;-;

[jovial aurora]

turning on a set of headphones and putting it on my head is not more convienient than just sitting down at my desk lol

[pastel yew]

but yeah unless you live in the country you have loads of audio leak

[idle pecan]

i thought it was how many enemies it can go through

[radiant chasm]

Penetration is damage to armors, not cleave

[idle pecan]

ah ok

rip

[radiant chasm]

Need penetration for flak BPs

For BM actually

[shadow aurora]

Its so over...

[coral willow]

hadron shits in my dinner once again

[radiant chasm]

Idk might not be end of the world with 10% rending talent in middle bottom tree

[crimson pebble]

We should put brutal momentum on bolt pistol easy

[jovial aurora]

dude he has been griefing me out of a good shield for the longest time

[pastel yew]

all or nothing is such a wank blessing

why does it exist

other than to brick weapons

[coral willow]

tbh would be a cool concept

[radiant chasm]

Stam dropping zealots

[pastel yew]

that sounds hilarious

infinite pen conga line

[radiant chasm]

Cause they have a talent that gives them damage at 0 stam for like 5 seconds

[pastel yew]

aka plasma gun 😦

[radiant chasm]

And it’s under duelist talent as well

[pastel yew]

I cannot envision a universe in which that is like

[crimson pebble]

Youd need to hit head atleast

[jovial aurora]

eh could synchro well with momentum

[pastel yew]

ever not worse than anything else

[pastel yew]

to be fair

[coral willow]

way more damage buff passively as long as you can utilize the stamina

[pastel yew]

you do need to hit head with the plasma gun

[radiant chasm]

Synchro what

[pastel yew]

like the upper limit on that weapon is a skill thing

[radiant chasm]

It isn’t good

[pastel yew]

its just real low skill floor

[radiant chasm]

Just imagining a use case

[coral willow]

except low stamina gets you killed usuallly so thats a inherent risk that headtaker would just get around

[pastel yew]

ahh okay I get ya

I guess if you really really loved your weapons push attack?

[radiant chasm]

Zealot has some of the fastest base stam regen in the game

[coral willow]

0~20% stamina give s32% damage

[radiant chasm]

Antax caxe

[coral willow]

and 20~40% gives 24%

[radiant chasm]

[coral willow]

so if you can keep your stamina low

[jovial aurora]

the talent with momentum and the blessing all together could make for some funni numbers

[coral willow]

in theorey you can get headtaker amount of damage and plus

[pastel yew]

not a great deal of ways to do that with melee weapons that arent just push spam though right?

[coral willow]

except if you get shot yo ugives fuckton of stamina

[pastel yew]

and blocking but blocking to low stamina is a dangerous game

[coral willow]

running

[pastel yew]

there is also that talent that gives you a stacking damage boost

when sprinting

[coral willow]

but what you said

[radiant chasm]

I guess? Since martyr will always wanna path to HR

[pastel yew]

but I think thats a vet thing

[radiant chasm]

That’s commando vet

[tame lodge]

Skirmisher?

[pastel yew]

vet does have the longest stam cooldown right? so... sprint?... all or nothing vet?

[pastel yew]

gold star for you

[tame lodge]

🫡

[pastel yew]

so you sprint... run out of stamina... and then get like +65% attack power..

[coral willow]

skirmisher kinda sucks

[shadow aurora]

Skirmisher is the person we dont talk about at the dinner table

[pastel yew]

I guess all or nothing could be okay in like

a weapon specialist deadshot build

[tame lodge]

Take a swing got fixed (finally)

[pastel yew]

but if you're running weapon specialist you dont need dead shot...

[coral willow]

cause you need to sprint and not slide

[pastel yew]

bolt pistol... weapon specialist... deadshot just for... the sway reduction?

there's something here somewhere

or maybe all or nothing is just a dog blessing that makes no sense

I wish deadshot consumed less stamina, or there were betterways in the vet tree to get stamina back

maybe like... an upgrade node to the trashy marksman keystone that gives you x% stamina back on weakspot kills

[tame lodge]

You can take Invigorated since Weapon Specialist

[pastel yew]

yeah that will get you a long way though its a lot of apm for little reward

ping gives you stamina back too but I already tested that and the stacks come back waaayyyy too slow

was theory crafting like... a dead shot, ping, lucius build

and even the best result was like "you could do way better things for a fraction of the effort"

the idea is cool there's just not enough support

[somber axle]

Deadshot + Focus Target with Target Down is a solid choice for maintaining stam but you have to be good at pinging and killing targets quick

if you kill a target with Focus Target active fast enough you start with 2 stacks on the next target

having a minimum of 2 stacks per target when instakilling specials/elites means constantly recharging 10% stam and toughness to yourself and all allies in coherency

better Deadshot and better sustain for the team's overall survivability

if you're too slow on the kill for the ping target you'll be on 1 stack and it will be much less effective

if you're not good at pinging targets consistently before shooting then you'll get very little value from it

it's like juggling!

you've gotta be good at juggling during fights or you're not going to make Deadshot + Focus Target and Target Down work

at that point you'll be better off ignoring Deadshot

but it gets wild when you stack Deadshot + Surgical with Shock Trooper on Helbores

constant crits, constant free shots

truly the infinite ammo gun of all time

[pastel yew]

yeah its just after the first pinged target your others will be less and less stamina as even with just 5 stack max you're not making that back between shots

I don't much stock in toughness gen for the team unless it's bursty though

as it seems most people arent really slowly hit down it's more... sudden bursts that break toughness

so stuff like shout becomes a lot more effective at keeping people alive

[somber axle]

5 stack, 5% stam + 5% toughness per stack, first ping target will give you back 25% stam + 25% toughness for a big chunk back

[pastel yew]

also I bet your team hates playing with that though the constant pinging

[somber axle]

and even just 2 stacks is still solid

[coral willow]

anyone having a problem of if you type in chat your game lags like a minuite and you cant do shit?

[pastel yew]

its like when you get a plasmagun vet who has ping bound to their shoot key

I've seen that twice

[somber axle]

idk I've never had someone complain

[pastel yew]

why... WHY

[somber axle]

but target down helps with toughness/stam so like

even melee players can appreciate the sudden chunks of stam refunded to them

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean its significantly less annoying than pinging literally everything

[somber axle]

more push attacks, more blocking, etc.

[coral willow]

have you not met a infantry lasgun vet with ping boung to the lclick?

[pastel yew]

ohhhh yeah the stamina is applied to everyone...

okay new build

4x ping deadshot vet

with everyone doing it

[somber axle]

the toughness gen can be a really strong benefit tbh

[pastel yew]

maybe the stamina production can be maintained

[coral willow]

25% toughness does wonders for exec survivality tbh

its a

[somber axle]

one of those things where people barely notice the benefit but it helps keep the group healthier throughout fights

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-xqcl-gif-25519231

[coral willow]

immediate 25%

[coral willow]

exactly

bonus points if its a mg4

[pastel yew]

thats it really, it's very difficult to track how effective those things are

especially when every character is constantly generating loads of toughness constantly

it can be difficult to tell if the toughness you generate even does anything because they might have just regenerated over that instantly anyway

[somber axle]

there's not really a scoreboard option for tracking toughness generation

or people could better see how much something like born leader would be

[pastel yew]

even if it was it'd be like total damage, relatively useless stat from how vague it is

most damage dealt isn't really useful since it's dealt to poxwalkers or through cleave n such

though you can track overkill damage

[somber axle]

I think people watch their own HP/toughness too much to notice the benefit they're giving to others

[pastel yew]

I would expect toughness gen to be the same though, in that it's really unclear to know what % of the toughness you generated wasn't redundant

[somber axle]

it's why born leader/covering fire are talents people turn their noses up at

they have zero benefit for the player

it's for their team

[pastel yew]

very difficult thing to watch to be fair, very out of the way

[somber axle]

if you like to play a more supportive role it's fun to do

[pastel yew]

I do think that the like slight damage % you get from covering fire or from ping is pretty much useless to your team though

as players at a high level are already knowing their breakpoints and 10% isn't gonna put em over

I guess with enough small bonusses you could

but I'm not sure it'd be that useful

[coral willow]

does power DI cover that?

[pastel yew]

toughness gen I have no idea

[coral willow]

power DI has lot of things

[somber axle]

you don't get anything from covering fire

only your team does

Focus Target and Redirect Fire are both very good talents

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean it'd be pretty stacked if you could

[somber axle]

they're probably top tier for maintaining consistent breakpoints

[pastel yew]

I don't really think redirect fire is a good talent

[coral willow]

me when vet is objectively better meleeing than zealot :3

[last parcel]

it does but only counts the amount of times it activates and not the amount unless you figure out how to change that

[coral willow]

redirect fire is for BP issues

[somber axle]

It's a very good talent when optimizing builds for breakpoints

[somber axle]

if you're not doing funny math for breakpoints you probably will not find much use from it

[pastel yew]

yeah though the team component is useless because of that same logic

no one is optimising their breakpoints and are that close to needing the boost

[somber axle]

I think it's one of those things to remember that nothing happens in a vacuum and in a team setting every bit of damage adds up

Something like Fire Team and Focus Target don't feel like they're doing much

but if you maintain them during a boss fight?

[pastel yew]

yeah but build variety is gonna be rng

[somber axle]

they're providing an increase to boss damage

a significant increase

[pastel yew]

you'd be better off pinging the boss though

[somber axle]

just not something you'll notice in the moment

[pastel yew]

I think you get a stack every 2 seconds?

so by the time this buff runs out you're at 5 stacks

[somber axle]

Redirect Fire will have 5 stacks when you kill a target with Focus Target at 5 stacks, and refreshes for 5 stacks even if you kill a target with only 1 stack Focus Target

so it's kinda easy to maintain for firefights against large numbers of elites/specials

[pastel yew]

oh neat

I didnt know that

[somber axle]

and is very good at meeting and consistently keeping breakpoints

[pastel yew]

kinda silly

still though 20% > 12%

at least if we're talking boss damage specifically

and boss damage is the only time that it really actually matters

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat has a Plasma talent tree that uses Focus Target + Redirect Fire to meet some very close breakpoints that wouldn't be possible otherwise

[pastel yew]

since breakpoints are so many hits its just a speed up

[coral willow]

plasma

extreme BP precision

[pastel yew]

honestly with new plasma gun long shot changes yeah

[somber axle]

I have a Helbore Mk II set up using Executioner's Stance and Focus Target with Redirect Fire to meet the breakpoints for 1HKO on Dreg Gunner and 1HKO on both Flamers while ignoring the Unarmoured perk and Maniac perk so I can instead get Carapace and push my damage to a consistent 2HKO on Crushers

[pastel yew]

again though its aself use thing rather than team use

[coral willow]

yes

[somber axle]

It can do funny things if you play with numbers a lot

[coral willow]

redirect fire is more of a self talent than of a team

the other one is more team focused

[pastel yew]

wait the helbore mk2 can't just... do that anyway?

bruh

is that the fast charging low damage one?

I know mk3 is the heavy slow one

[coral willow]

but it stacks on top of this

[last parcel]

yes

[pastel yew]

ty ty

[somber axle]

Nope! If you run Voice of Command and use a Helbore Mk II you need to run Unarmoured and Maniac as weapon perks to meet the one shot breakpoint for Dreg Gunners and Flamers

It's mandatory in the guide Numbers Cat wrote for Vet

[coral willow]

bolter vet in shambles

[pastel yew]

5s is not a lot of time for a buff though, that's more a nice thing than something to base breakpoints on

[somber axle]

but if you're like me and use Exe Stance + Focus Target and Redirect Fire you can consistently meet both of those breakpoints without the perks

and then you can double down on turning the gun into an effective Crusher weapon while still meeting all the breakpoints at Voice of Command Helbore Mk II user does

[pastel yew]

why do you need suppression resist its a boltgun just full auto bam bam bam bam

[somber axle]

but also hit a breakpoint that a Voice of Command Helbore Mk II user cannot hit

[pastel yew]

yeah for that it sounds good

[somber axle]

because a VoC Helbore Mk II user will require 5-7+ shots to bring down a Crusher

but my build does it in 2 shots

and with combat stim

can kill in 1

[pastel yew]

that's pretty nutty

[somber axle]

at that point you will need to swap melee for Crusher killing running Voice of Command on a Helbore Mk II

there's no point in shooting 5-7+ times on a Crusher

[pastel yew]

yeah not at all

[last parcel]

do you even need focus target for the bp? mine is keystoneless and i'm pretty sure i still oneshot them with exe even after the temp buffs run out

[pastel yew]

plus if you can kill crushers that easily in ranged you can take frags without having to be sad about krak grenades

even though I'd take krak grenades anyway

[somber axle]

Without Maniac or Unarmoured I think so yeah

OH WAIT

you mean during Exe Stance

[last parcel]

yeah

[somber axle]

Exe Stance will meet the 1HKOs

[pastel yew]

wait so do you run +carapace

I'm looking at the carapace damage for the lucius and it is super low

[somber axle]

On my Helbore Mk II? Yes

[pastel yew]

that's a lot of damage to deal in one shot

[somber axle]

Yeah I can show recordings from Helbore Crusher kill time

One sec

[pastel yew]

are these stats even right I wonder as that seems comically low

[somber axle]

That's probably uncharged shots if you're looking at the inspect screen but I'm not in game atm

[pastel yew]

this is just from the stats page

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/lasgun-helbore/lucius-mk-ii-helbore-lasgun

[last parcel]

that's what is says on stopping power, but if you check charged damage table the damage ratio on crit shots is different

[abstract locust]

But you get 100% crit chance with 3 melee kills using weapons specialist

[last parcel]

on the first shot

[pastel yew]

am I tripping

what am I missing in my sleep deprived state

explain like I'm 5

[abstract locust]

You shoot once, crit, melee 3 poxwalkers, shoot crit again, repeat

[pastel yew]

is there anywhere you can actually check the numbers tho

I'm looking for where the charged table is

[pastel yew]

aaahh gotcha

[last parcel]

click on secondary action

[pastel yew]

yeah I found it like... a second before you pinged

I didn't know you could actually change the table

[coral willow]

when can we get

[last parcel]

now check the bayonet carapace damage without crits

[coral willow]

helbores on zealot

it'd be p good

i'd even use infernus

[pastel yew]

I guess you have high crit to get the stacks

not sure it'd be worth, though maybe the burn would actually help you hit breakpoints most of the time that you couldn't otherwise

I still think the zealot should have gotten a ranged skill tree

[pastel yew]

only got a mk3 to hand but honestly you showing me this has helped me come to a realisation as to why the mk3 melee fucking sucks

it's because the hit box is wrong

[umbral scaffold]

Ngl zelot's growing on me. Just wish it had better armored armors lik the vets. Hestia's blessing one and the 21st armkr are okay. Not a fan of the cleric rags though

[pastel yew]

it can actually one shot poxwalkers on damnation... if you look 1m over their head

[pastel yew]

cleric has some great drip

[umbral scaffold]

Its ass i hate rags

[pastel yew]

cleric? zealot

bruh

playing too much dark and darker

[last parcel]

at least you can adjust to that. the slow ass molasses dipped swing speed stays the same even after you notice it

[pastel yew]

they have loads of actual armored sets

though I go with the robes

[umbral scaffold]

Like 2 decent ones...

[pastel yew]

with the checkered pants and cage helmet

[pastel yew]

yeah but at least I know you can one shot a poxwalker... the melee has SOME use

[umbral scaffold]

I mean like the loyalist set and the 21st set

Theses fuck hard

[pastel yew]

even if its way way worse than the mk1 and 2 (which frankly are pratty overtuned)

[umbral scaffold]

The rest is soft

[last parcel]

well if it helps, it can also one hit bombers, flamers, hounds, and the scab shooters (not stalkers)

[umbral scaffold]

Like they could add more ministorum priest sets too rather than yeah i know the name of the class is called zelot vut less "zelot like" ?

[somber axle]

you're going to laugh but

[pastel yew]

huh. so it can

[somber axle]

I do not at all remember the context of this

[coral willow]

like where dis in zealot

[somber axle]

except the infernus dot is what allowed it to 2HKO

LMFAO

[coral willow]

give me zealot gun with melee

fatshark

[somber axle]

but for a less goofy set up

OH WAIT

this was testing my 0% damage Helbore

I remember now

and yes the 0% damage Helbore could still 2HKO Crushers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1252029301042184262/image-399.png?ex=66945326&is=669301a6&hm=99200baaff03d3f8b2671f11c65356bde3181f3016e1a18a2df1ae485fcdfbfb&

[pastel yew]

not bad at all

[pastel yew]

!!!!!!

I DIDNT EVEN KNOW YOU COULD ROLL THAT LOW

[somber axle]

It's easier to do a 2HKO with a Helbore that isn't 0% damage

[pastel yew]

HOW

I want one

[last parcel]

just get lucky

[somber axle]

it is a very weird roll I got from Brunt LOL

I kept it for the memes

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean that's an easy buy

[pastel yew]

might not need the burn stacks

[somber axle]

my 80% damage 80% stopping power Helbore Mk II with Carapace perk can consistently kill Crushers in 2 shots and can manage a 1 shot with combat stim

the Helbore Mk III can also be set up to do a one shot kill on Crushers without needing a combat stim though

[umbral scaffold]

Most of the pants are fine with zelot imo. Its the dang chests and helmwts that look just off.. :/ lucky now im glad they added actual helmets i dont have to shed money on so i can now play the class and not look lowkey like a moron to myself

[somber axle]

but the Helbore Mk II has the better bayonet stab so I prefer it

[coral willow]

zealot has access to this

[pastel yew]

combat stims are so rare ;-; I swear to christ the 70% of the ones I find are blues

[somber axle]

I love all the stims tbh

I usually prioritize them as like

[pastel yew]

mk3 is the one I'm gonna be going for

[somber axle]

Med stim > Celerity >= Combat > Concentration

[pastel yew]

even if the stab is so good

I like big single shot damage

[somber axle]

I love the extra speed from celerity too much

[pastel yew]

I wanna get a proper krieg set up together

[coral willow]

can you build mk1 to oneshot crushers?

[pastel yew]

I tried out a shit stat sapper shovel and that thing is hella fun

[pastel yew]

quite a steep damage drop

[umbral scaffold]

What does that one stim do btw with the arrow

[pastel yew]

though given the video above 2 shots for sure

[umbral scaffold]

In a circle

[pastel yew]

you could just charge less

this one?

its ability cooldown

a lot of it

[umbral scaffold]

Ohhhhhhhh

[coral willow]

mk3 has like 50 more damage usually?

[pastel yew]

charged shot is like a 20-25% increase in damage

[umbral scaffold]

Honestly its crazy ive never found this out. Its like written nowhere in game

[pastel yew]

20%

[umbral scaffold]

Helth booster goes without saying but this one is never like mentioned

[pastel yew]

you want things to be written in your game?!?!

clearly you should just KNOW these things

[umbral scaffold]

Clearly

[pastel yew]

honestly the game gives you no info at all

even some tooltips would be nice

[coral willow]

oh yeah what would be funny?

thrust on helbores

BP mayhem

[pastel yew]

melee blessings on the helbore would be dope

brutal momentum

[umbral scaffold]

They should put the stims in the training thing in psykanium nd have an in depth explanation for it

[last parcel]

it was very dope

[umbral scaffold]

Atleast

[pastel yew]

honestly I just wish you could hold your shot on the hellbore

so it fires on release

[coral willow]

you can

for a while

[pastel yew]

until you can't

[coral willow]

just not infinite

you get like a good 5 second

[umbral scaffold]

Was gonn make a joke about the hellbore and men who cant last very long in bed but like lowkey nah. I think ima go to bed.

[last parcel]

see you there

[umbral scaffold]

In bed ... ,?😭

[coral willow]

i want helbore

on my zealot

give me

fatshark

and i wont rant about your shitty update cycles

[somber axle]

Ok! Recorded the 2HKO on Crusher with my Helbore Mk II here you go

https://gyazo.com/77d8fc433df98105c028ed4f3c26325a

[coral willow]

can you 1hko with mk1

[somber axle]

I hope it embeds ugh

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-surprise-attack-epic-embed-gif-21517708

[somber axle]

it never does anymore LOL

I always have to send the mp4 file instead and idk why

[umbral scaffold]

Crazy

[somber axle]

going to try to record the 1 shot with combat stim!

[coral willow]

shitty children of the omnissiah playing in the background

i wish for a darktide collab

[pastel yew]

anyone actually had a look at how often compet urge is even up as like

I've never sat and observed

40 things dying in 80s like

not bad

I know thats not how %s work out but

its uptime should be regular

[faint beacon]

Well thanks to Path, I have Psyker, Vet, and Ogryn all finished penance wise

[somber axle]

I like the music ok LOL

[faint beacon]

Super close to hitting 4500 on penance points

[somber axle]

Nice!

[last parcel]

yes

[pastel yew]

so it does trigger on poxwalkers

nice

usually stuff like this reads as elites or a type

[coral willow]

you missed the joke by a mile

[pastel yew]

[somber axle]

Here it is

[pastel yew]

autism moment

[somber axle]

ignore me spazzing out

[faint beacon]

It barely triggers

It’s kinda just

[somber axle]

I hit the wrong buttons to stop the recording

[faint beacon]

There

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-chugg-mcgill-chuck-mcgill-better-call-saul-gif-22073072

[pastel yew]

can you post your build path n blessings n such

if you dont mind

[somber axle]

the 1HKO Helbore Mk II Crusher kill is only possible for the first 5 seconds during For the Emperor

also yeah sure

[coral willow]

sneaky do you have a rashad psyker build

[somber axle]

Keep in mind that I had a slightly different set up for the vid

swapping redirect fire into deadshot to better guarantee the crit for recording purposes

but it will still get a guaranteed crit with surgical

just means more time ADS

but this is the talent tree I use for Krieg memes in quickplay

I have a second talent tree loadout for Krieg memes using Infiltrate though

[coral willow]

too bad im not daring enough to take out iron will on exec

[somber axle]

I like this one for Grenadier memes

Krak + Tinkerer + Bring It Down

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-voices-in-my-head-voices-cat-gif-23453583

[somber axle]

also Agile Engagement is very fun on the Helbores

[coral willow]

i still want it on zealot

[somber axle]

bayonet strike will proc the ranged damage bonus half, lasfire procs the melee damage bonus half

you can alternate the two strikes to get a consistent buff on damage on either one when you want it

[coral willow]

does it work with other gun melees

[somber axle]

Damage, Stopping Power and Charge Rate at or as close to 80% as possible

Surgical and Weight of Fire

The fire rate on charged shots gets really fun and speedy when you have high charge rate and weight of fire going

fast AND penetrates armour effectively

[somber axle]

Rashad Psyker? No I'm still baby with Psyker LOL

I love Psyker but I have less than 100 games played on Psyker

Vet has like either close to or over 1000 games

[pastel yew]

rashad psyker probably just goes scriers right?

[somber axle]

oh wait no

[last parcel]

and dd

[somber axle]

I have the 100 missions completed penance done for Zealot and Psyker

so at least 100 games on both

[pastel yew]

oooooh how could I forget my favourite keystone

disrupt destiny fucks

[somber axle]

only 76 games on Ogryn though

[pastel yew]

ogryns my least played by far

[somber axle]

one day I'll go back

this is literally my last Ogryn penance to do LOL

[tiny summit]

When I started playing I ignored Iron Will for like 2 months

[pastel yew]

the optimal horde clear for the sapper shovels seems so weird... testing it in the psykanium

it seems to heavy Heavy > Heavy > Light > Heavy > repeating light > heavy

or Light > Light > Light > heavy light etc

[coral willow]

i assume mk3

[pastel yew]

mk 7

sapper shovel

[coral willow]

mk7 and standard issue both just spam heavy

till the end of time

[pastel yew]

the overhead light just

seems way better though

given after you start the combo off you get your wide heavy into your high damage overhead

[coral willow]

if you want overhead PA

[pastel yew]

it's just weird to me that you can keep getting the overhead to proc

every other attack

when it's the third in your light sequence

I have no idea how melee combo strings work in this game I guess

I still need money to make weapons keep burning all my penies testing shit

[somber axle]

psst

what else should I change on this

Carapace to Infested or something?

[pastel yew]

not sure on the break points but

were I you I'd check in the psykanium against ragers and gunners

[last parcel]

flak gives mauler dickshot

[pastel yew]

lmfao

that sounds p goodf

double barrel their balls

[somber axle]

Carapace to Flak then I guess

[uncut pebble]

Yknow, of all the horrid ways you could die in 40k, I'm still surprised having your genitals be obliterated with a shotgun is still high up on the list of worst ways to go out.

[pastel yew]

tbf you're out in one shot

[somber axle]

becoming a flesh lamp for the Drukhari is still probably the worst imo

[pastel yew]

I think I'd rather die almost instantly to a dick shotgun than be remotely close to anything nurgle

[pastel yew]

they'd keep you alive

probably taunt you with endless "turn you on" puns

a fate worse than death

[idle pecan]

what weapons share blessings with the rashad combat axe

[last parcel]

antax combat axe and achlys combat axe

see the pattern

[idle pecan]

ah i see

i was like, why cant this axe unlock bru mo,

was so confused, ty

[crimson pebble]

So whats the opinion on get back in the fight

[north pebble]

just wished it was the 1a

[somber axle]

Idk I've read some of the stuff they do and like there are definitely worse fates than an agonizing slow death

[pastel yew]

worse fates exist even beyond that

being tau for a single day

[somber axle]

idk they get like

actual good food LOL

[pastel yew]

you don't like corpse starch?

[last parcel]

bro never tasted that shas lussy

[somber axle]

considering how hellish the conditions are for living in even the good Imperial cities you're probably better off just eating Tau instant ramen

[pastel yew]

to be fair it depends planet to planet

[somber axle]

imagine living on a hive world

[pastel yew]

hive cities are pretty fucked

[somber axle]

death worlds are way more fucked

[pastel yew]

probably the only place in 40k league of legends exists

as if you needed more reasons to not live in a hive city

[last parcel]

🤮

[somber axle]

the only place you might find an ok time is a paradise/pleasure/garden world

[shadow aurora]

Even in a paradise world conditions are considerably worse than what is considered good irl

[pastel yew]

there are definitely imperial planets where life is comparable or fine though

its such a wide universe

[shadow aurora]

Very rare but certainly

[somber axle]

I think the Tau run places are probably like... good for living?

[pastel yew]

just be born lucky

[somber axle]

40k is one of those universes where if you actually would want to live there you're probably insane

[pastel yew]

honestly like

[shadow aurora]

Dude just be born on the 50 out of 50000 planets that are good bro its ez

[pastel yew]

if I could come back to the real world on death

I'd give it a go

[somber axle]

if I was in 40k make me lobotomized skitarii because beyond just how cool the tech would be it would also mean being lobotomized and less able to be aware of how fucked everything is LOL

[pastel yew]

I do think a lot of people get their purge boners on for 40k though

not realising you aint supposed to get behind the imperium either

they aint the good guys

even if they are cool

[shadow aurora]

Tau is generally better than the imperium for living standards on average but its still not ideal. If youre a tau then youre being partially mind controlled and if youre another race you are typically valued less as a citizen then other tau

[somber axle]

Yeah that's fine tbh I'm not really doing much with my mind right now anyway other than making memes

[shadow aurora]

But id take it over a hive world any day

[pastel yew]

being a 40k ork

sounds pretty good

because like.. no matter what you're having a good time

they're the only real winners in 40k

[shadow aurora]

Orks unironically are happier than we are

[pastel yew]

yeah honestly

[somber axle]

if the Tau wanted to keep me as a pet cat and feed me lobster every day and let me play video games I'd still be in a better fate than the average forge world citizen living in a factory that would make black lung coal miners grimace

[pastel yew]

that'd be the life

I'll be some random xenos jester pet if it means I'm comfy

[somber axle]

Orks are about to get their WAAAAAAGH on hunting Angron down

Bale Eye belonged to an Ork, not to Chaos

[shadow aurora]

Thatd be nice but youre more likely to be some dispensable front lines meat shield

[pastel yew]

wait

is that

lore

not just fan theory

he's dead dead?

as honestly that is an unbelievably hype story line if true

a wrestlemania for the ages

[somber axle]

everything I've seen has talked about it being that way and Ghazghkull getting his boys together for revenge against Angron

but idk

I don't read 40k books yet

[pastel yew]

me neither

[somber axle]

I've glanced at the black library but haven't bought anything

Orks already got into a wrestling match with the Tyranids and lost

[pastel yew]

get most of my 40k lore from some streamers, youtube and the ttrpgs

[shadow aurora]

Trying to go more than surface level into the lore seems really scary

[somber axle]

...and Guilliman also had his big thing vs the Tyranids and lost

[pastel yew]

I wouldnt be sad about him getting off screen death'd if it means the showdown tho

[somber axle]

feels like they're setting up Tyranids as a very important baddie to worry about

[pastel yew]

the only actual 40k books that interest me are the crime ones

[somber axle]

Space Marine 2 having even more Tyranid problems

[pastel yew]

the ones that are all like... human scale stories

[shadow aurora]

Nids have always been one of the biggest threats behind orks

Ignoring table top

Noone here plays table top anyway

[pastel yew]

I would if it wasn't so overpriced

[somber axle]

I have a few friends who buy, paint and play models for tabletop

but wow

[pastel yew]

I do own a resin printer... I could print my own little men I guess

[somber axle]

that seems like so much time, effort and money LOL

[pastel yew]

to be fair the time and effort I think is part of the pros

[somber axle]

I'm colourblind so I don't trust myself to paint anything

[pastel yew]

painting is part of the hobby rather than a chore

[shadow aurora]

I like the idea of amassing my own little army but tbh im not really that interested in the game

[pastel yew]

I've heard mechanically it is not very interesting

and as far as I'm concerned why would you play 40k table top... when you can play 40k table top rpg

way better

and you don't get scammed buying plastic

[shadow aurora]

That sounds fun, is it like dnd?

[pastel yew]

yeah though d100 instead of d20

horrendously balanced in a good way

[shadow aurora]

Neato

[pastel yew]

very lethal system, big damage on all sides

[shadow aurora]

So is dnd

[pastel yew]

dnd if it was good

there are a lot more actions you can take than just... move and attack

xp works differently too, rather than preset classes and levels

you can buy talents and skills with xp

[shadow aurora]

So more like 3.5?

[pastel yew]

never played so no idea

[shadow aurora]

Same

[pastel yew]

5e was the first dnd system I tried

you pick a homeworld, background, and role. each of which gives you aptitudes. every skill and talent has 2 aptitudes and the cost of it depends on how many you have that match

pretty simple system that lets you make your own class

works quite well

[shadow aurora]

5e was p boring tbh. I understand that having more strict character building helps balance but that doesn't mean anything if the game is shittly balanced anyway

[pastel yew]

doesn't really help if your combat is also very boring

5e is a great game for beginners

but like.. beyond that pretty much any other game is better

it has a lot of systems I don't like

AC is pretty stupid

dark heresy uses armor (which is flat damage reduction) and dodge (a skill you roll to avoid damage)

to hit chances are based on how good the enemy is at attacking rather than some bastard mix of the lot

[shadow aurora]

Yeah it seems to mainly be made to hook newbies. Most dnd groups that are experienced do 3.5 or heavily homebrewed 5e

[pastel yew]

yeah

pathfinder seems to be a real popular offshoot as well

for people wanting something more... deep

haven't tried it though

[shadow aurora]

Right i forgot pathfinder existed

Whats the difference between it and 5e?

[pastel yew]

uhh I think its like 3.5

if that continued down it's path

rather than being reworked into something new

[shadow aurora]

Makes sense

[pastel yew]

the closest I've got to looking through the rules was making a character for the sister system, starfinder

but never even got to play the one shot in the end

a lot of other good games caught my attention

[shadow aurora]

Starfinder is sci-fi right?

[pastel yew]

call of cthulhu is super good, then I fell hard into the dark heresy rabbit hole

[pastel yew]

ye

[shadow aurora]

I remembered hearing about it vaguely

Ive heard of coc but whats dark heresy?

[pastel yew]

one of the 40k systems

[shadow aurora]

Figures

[pastel yew]

its like.. one of or the most recently updated one I think

but there are loads

they made one for imperial guard, playing as chaos (space marines included), a deathwatch game, a rogue trader game

dark heresy is like... working under an inquisitor investigating shit

[shadow aurora]

That actually sounds cool as shit

[pastel yew]

a lot of ability names from darktide seem to be lifted from or inspired by dark heresy which is kinda fun to spot

[pastel yew]

the game is super fucking good

if you are a mega nerd

as it's a little crunchy but it doesn't take long to get the hang of it

[shadow aurora]

I's is da smart est

[pastel yew]

the actions table

[shadow aurora]

Wow thats a lot

[pastel yew]

the only real downside of the system (if you're not a numbers nerd like me) is that a lot of modifiers kinda stack up

which as a new player is hard to keep track of

since for say... a ranged attack you have the range modifier, the shot type modifier, potentially like.. a conditions modifier

so like having to remember like... "okay so my ballistic skill is 40... I get +10 from short range, +10 from single shot, uhh.. he's running so that's -20, but I have a red dot and I'm aiming so that's +10 and another +10..."

when the numbers are in your head its instant but new players aren't just gonna magically click

one super cool thing that I'm sad darktide didn't copy is how psyker powers work.. if you ever roll doubles (11,22,33 etc) when casting a power you roll on these funky tables to get random weird effects or potentially really bad ones

[shadow aurora]

Like wild magic. Would be good as a keystone

[pastel yew]

yoooo you're onto something there

that'd be so dope

[shadow aurora]

Casts ability and 15 barrels materialize in random locations

[pastel yew]

on note of the psyker tables though my first ever psyker imploded while trying to force crush a door

summoning some mad demon

[pastel yew]

god I can already see all the whiny reddit posts

make it so

[somber axle]

ohmygosh auric quickplay at 2 am is awful LMFAO

join into a match

2 down

I pick one person up and begin moving to get the other

he ragequits before anyone can get him

the person I picked up dies soon after and then ragequits

hit elevator and go up

third guy dies and ragequits during the fight and I don't even notice he's gone during a fight with a plogryn

ogryn player joins in and I never even saw him

but he went down too

LMFAO

the creatures have come out at night to play and they really shouldn't be here

they need to be in heresy or something

[shadow aurora]

"and I don't even notice he's gone"
Par for the course with randoms im afraid

[somber axle]

dudes going down to basic fights like

???

why are you here

swallow the pride and drop the difficulty until you're practiced and ready for higher stuff LOL

ragequitting is just shameful

this isn't even the goofy nonsense of people disconnecting to throw a bot in and hope the bot picks someone up to stop a wipe

this is just dorks ragequitting because they went down

it wasn't even a wipe ohmygosh

[shadow aurora]

I hate that shit

Dont insult me by sending a bot to save me

Give me a warriors death

[somber axle]

I think it's lame too but a leaver is a leaver in my eyes and they're all lame regardless

the ones who drop a bot in are at least slightly useful

[winter grove]

Honestly

When I was starting darktiding

Most I would go is heresy because I thought damnation would be almost same difficulty as Vermintide 2 legend difficulty

As in "die in 4 or less hits"

Unless damage resist career

[somber axle]

I think I did a lot of heresy before moving into standard damnation, mained standard damnation for a long while then slowly worked up the courage to do aurics and found the difficulty jump wasn't that different (especially compared to standard damnation high intensity shock trooper gauntlet) and then worked into auric maelstroms but like

[winter grove]

And I barely felt a difficulty spike when I actually tried it

[somber axle]

I slowly practiced and worked through the difficulties

[winter grove]

Not really fan of maelstroms

[somber axle]

there are creatures in queue who feel like they're trying to speedrun things and fall over the instant anything goes sideways

and then ragequit

[winter grove]

Knife zealots

[somber axle]

probably people dodging deaths for A.S.S.

[somber axle]

I like the maelstroms that have extra monstrosity spawns

but otherwise I like running auric damnation quickplay

give me lights out

I love fighting in the dark

[winter grove]

I like auric damnation quickplays yes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/backstab-gif-19810743

[winter grove]

Least favourite class?

For me it's gotta be ogryn

[last parcel]

vet ofc

[winter grove]

Fuck veteran
All my homies hate veteran

[last parcel]

vets need to be publically sodomized

[somber axle]

Ratling Sniper

[winter grove]

Zealot gives me those VT2 vibes with the way it uses melee and me running revolver

Psyker is just a casual experience of me just pointing hands and lightning killing everything

And Ogryn is

Awkward

[shadow aurora]

Why didn't he fire his weapon

Is he stupid?

[last parcel]

there is a lore reason

[shadow aurora]

LORE

[somber axle]

He has really, really good trigger discipline

[steep grail]

zealot is scuffed vermintide

[winter grove]

Zealot is scuffed vermintide

I agree

[steep grail]

it even takes a zealot vt2 mechanic and doesn't stick the landing

[winter grove]

It does

Ever tried martyrdom rashad?

[steep grail]

yeah i started using momentum instead

[shadow aurora]

I mean he had his gun in the air

It would be good to fire it off to signal that there's something wrong

[somber axle]

That would be dangerous

The bullets could hit someone

Safety first

[junior needle]

Apparently hand spasms are quite common when dying

[last parcel]

well let's find out

[shadow aurora]

I mean if it meant alerting the entire facility there is an intruder but you might accidentally hit someone by a small margine i think id do it

Because if i dont alert people there are probably going to be more deaths anyway

Doing it means minimizing losses

On average

[last parcel]

what if the intruder gets hurt

that wouldn't be very good

[pastel yew]

shout out to the vet in one of my semi recent games who got swarmed by... checks notes poxwalkers and died 100 to 0. then proceeded to blame the team for "abandoning a ranged class" despite the fact that there were two other veterans and an ogryn who were doing perfectly fine and were also all ranged focus

I don't mind bad players

but bad players that try to control what other people take or blame others for their lack of skill is infuriating

my favourite breed of toxic players are those that are still bad, but not so bad that they can't do anything... who like to act holier than thou as they shit talk a guy who clearly is struggling when you can see their scoreboard stats and know for a fact they are not good either... at least one person is trying to improve rather than blame others

[vague compass]

Hello fellow Veteran, quick question: Which Recon do you think is better between these two? (sorry for the french interface but it's too much trouble to change it to english just for this)

[junior needle]

Any time I die it's the teams fault

[pastel yew]

so true, so real

[junior needle]

They're about the same, low collat can actually be good on those due to reduced wiggling of enemies when shooting them

There's barely any tangible difference besides that

Maybe a damage or two per shot in reality

[tame void]

what the bot doing

[vague compass]

Ok I was wondering if collat was good on this
I'm trying to make a ranged veteran with infiltration + frag grenade to destroy hordes and small specialist quickly while trying to enter melee as little as possible

real hard for me cuz I'm bad with build making

[junior needle]

Using the MF keystone

[pastel yew]

I mean these are practically identical except the left is 40% increased stopping power or... I think that's what it is

I don't speak that language

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 damn frenchies... I think?

[junior needle]

Collat is stagger on recons

They don't have stopping power

[last parcel]

damage - ammo - collateral
mobility - stability

[junior needle]

It's basically the same word

[vague compass]

The trad is basically same as english to be honest, just with the french flavor

[tame void]

bots have talents?

[pastel yew]

I forgor collat was even a tag

when it's practically identical to penetration

so what gives -_-

[last parcel]

ogryn confirmed

[junior needle]

Probably not, given that they have the basic auras

[pastel yew]

I would still say higher is better

[tame void]

ah so the comment was just meme

[junior needle]

Yes

[tame void]

i believed it dammit, i trusted you

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[vague compass]

penetration increase damage against armor not stagger like collat

[pastel yew]

yee but it's all just numbers vs types which is easily confused

only stat that matters is ammo

morrrrrrrrre shooting

pewpewpewpew

[pastel yew]

many such cases

forgive my brainlet nature it is 11am and I have not slept

living the high life

[plain escarp]

something to pick up?

I want a knife and mk5 infanty auto build for my vet

[pastel yew]

the autoguns not awful

the knife is just sorta whatever

[plain escarp]

my current

[pastel yew]

oh dude just like

had such a great idea

need to read some skill tree real quick

[pastel yew]

I mean this one is probably better just by nature of being the columnus but

they're both fine

[steep grail]

is the columnus still that dominant

i dont play enough vet to know super well

[pastel yew]

• carapace is sorta nice since you can take a few different rending nodes and not be terrible against them

[junior needle]

Ciag is generally considered the best iag for good reason, you might find the agri lacking.

[pastel yew]

do you play zealot.. or psyker

because same deal there

it's s tier weapon for all 3 classes

[steep grail]

i play zealot with the revolver because i suck at knives

[pastel yew]

though it did just get nerfed so it's worse specifically for zealots and psykers more so than vet

[junior needle]

The knife is eh, I'd recommend replacing FT with uncanny if you want to use it, then do what you want with perks.

[pastel yew]

variety is nice though

[plain escarp]

ciag agri?

[junior needle]

Ciag is the columnus, your current one

[pastel yew]

columnus infantry autogun

agri being the agrippa

[junior needle]

Agripinata

[pastel yew]

close enough

honestly half of this chat is like

[junior needle]

I saw what you posted

[pastel yew]

really obscure acronyms where you need to be clued into the context to know what the fuck is being said

idk I really feel like wm is a lil worse of than cho when stacking zeeblors

[last parcel]

deltacron 8 sounding ass

[pastel yew]

ohh boooooooo

ghost specifically says

"immune to ranged attacks"

instead of what I thought it said... "dodge ranged attacks"

[plain escarp]

think I skip both weapons

[junior needle]

Ghost works with dnd

[pastel yew]

I was wondering if you cou;d take that with

[plain escarp]

need to save ordos if something really nice shows up

[junior needle]

Doesn't work well with recip because it's a different activation method

[pastel yew]

dead shot, duck and dive, ghost

[pastel yew]

AYO?

[junior needle]

On god

Fr, it's goated

[pastel yew]

okay my stam vet build is slowly forming

take a bunch of otherwise useless talents to uhh... do worse than a regular build

[junior needle]

You'll be a skibidi rizzler in your gooncave

[pastel yew]

but its cool

[remote idol]

I'm putting this in English, but if you want to talk a little about equipment in French, contact me via PM, it will be easier.

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/goon-gif-9077666843853671101

[pastel yew]

a fate worse than death

[junior needle]

A rizzlers last thoughts should be of ohio

[vague compass]

don't worry, I understand english well.
I just was too lazy to put the game in english because on steam, it's not hard to change language but you still have to close the game, change language on steam settings then relaunch it

[remote idol]

Non mais juste cocorico.

[vague compass]

pas faux

[pastel yew]

I need to make a big.. nerd spreadsheet with all the weapons and their blessings or something

[junior needle]

You must now tolerate le froge

[pastel yew]

gameslantern is not a great site

[vague compass]

really, I think it's alright to be honest, helps me quite a lot with some stuff

[junior needle]

Most of the stuff is accurate on there

[pastel yew]

yeah but I want to search for weapons by blessing

since I wanna see all the weapons that have ghost

and that functionality aint quite there

other than that its aight

i think the headhunters get it

[vague compass]

true, it's lacking some search function or at least classification

even for classes build, you can select a class and their weapons but you can't search a build that uses a specific capacity like Infiltration or Voice of Command

[junior needle]

You can do this

[pastel yew]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

dope

OOH YEAH

the pleb lasguns

[junior needle]

Just go to the blessings tab

[pastel yew]

I havent used those since I was but a wee lad

[remote idol]

Here are the two versions of Accatran that I use on my veteran, to give you an idea of ​​what you can put on it.
So, it's not perfect but the games tend to spit in my face a little on the rolls.

[last parcel]

what about a month lad

[pastel yew]

I'll let you know in three weeks

you'll be the first to know

... or second... after me... I guess..

so what deadshot is like 25%... 5% base crit, 5% from skill tree, 5% on weapon itself

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-viralhog-cute-im-watching-you-security-guard-gif-20604758

[junior needle]

You want HH/dumdum on the recons atm, with infernus possibly replacing dumdum on the 6d.

[pastel yew]

40% crit chance isn't really that high without a crit blessing...

[junior needle]

Depends on the weapon, lasp has like 15% crit base, recons have 2% last I checked

[pastel yew]

I was thinking about the lasgun that deals high single shot damage

[junior needle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

[pastel yew]

but maybe laspistol mk10 is

better idea

given its the same thing but would have the extra 10% crit

[vague compass]

I see, I took the Recon with less collat in the end because like Soldier 69 said, ennemies wiggle a lot less when the stat is low
I also got Infernus and I think I'll keep it because it's really good against horde (that's the blessing I wanted, not sure for the 2nd one tho)

[junior needle]

ilas, helbores, and lasp both fit that description

[pastel yew]

wait they all get 15% base crit?

or... do you mean the single shot damage part

[junior needle]

Not that much by default, you can check the specifics

[pastel yew]

and yeah they all have a variant that's slower firing but higher damage

[junior needle]

On that link

[pastel yew]

mhm I'll check it out

[junior needle]

tier matters more for infernus than dumdum, due to dots nonlinear scaling and the increase in applications per crit

[pastel yew]

as a note t4 is significantly better than t3

I don't know the numbers because they're fucky but dot stacks scale exponentially or something

and also based on target health

[vague compass]

I haven't unlock tier 4 unfortunately so I won't be able to increase Infernus for now

[pastel yew]

someone might correct me there

[junior needle]

Not exponentially, but 8+8 is less damage than 16 stacks

[pastel yew]

are you sure

as I swear 1 bleed stack does like

0 fucking damage

[junior needle]

It's best described as nonlinear

[pastel yew]

right

[junior needle]

Expontential would be a much bigger increase

[pastel yew]

I wonder if someones got a formula or something that it actually follows

I mean that'd depend on the extent

[vague compass]

Is dumdum + infernus a good combo?

[pastel yew]

but the increase definitely feels rapid

dumdum infernus is good yeah

that's what I would go for

infernus isn't a massive dps increase but its nice for bosses if you wanna save ammo

if you don't take exec stance or similar to burst them down

[junior needle]

Not quite, infernus wants crit printing for efficacy and HH vastly improves your effective crit rate if you can click heads.

[pastel yew]

its not that deep though

crit rate is so high

[torn glen]

Headhunter and Infernus is the way to go for Infernus use.

[pastel yew]

tiny bursts will cap the stacks

we're talking like

[junior needle]

For vet, crit stacking is important for shocktrooper

[pastel yew]

a fraction of a second faster

also true but like

you're not gonna run out of ammo either way

[junior needle]

You can still run out of ammo on them, I still see it to this day

[pastel yew]

I've seen it happen but I don''t know what they take in skill tree

I don't have a crit blessing on my weapon and I don't run out despite using it constantly

[vague compass]

so Headhunter + Infernus, got it (just need some luck when I increase my recon to transcendant then)

[pastel yew]

I do use the mk2 tho

[junior needle]

Headhunter provides the most potential value overall, but if you don't want to or are unable to headclick

Then you could run infernus/dumdum

[pastel yew]

dum dum is way better damage

[junior needle]

Just keep in mind that your value from shock trooper goes down a lot

When you aren't leveraging HH

[pastel yew]

headhunter is slightly better damage and slightly more ammo efficient but... if you're good enough to hit head that consistently then you wont be using the ammo anyway

[junior needle]

It's not quite slightly

[pastel yew]

controversial take

opening salvo

actually quite good

at least with the mk2 cant speak for other weapons