veteran-class

[gilded rock]

I stopped playing my Nakai save on Total Warhammer 3 because I conquered the world but one of my allies (who was almost dead last in strength) declared war on Nagash, who even though he stood no chance, had a lot of places colonized so it would've been a huge time sink on a save that was already feeling like a crawl

So I just stopped playing it LOL

[uncut pebble]

You have to have mods for Nagash himself to be a lord.

The closest thing you get in base game is Arkhan the Black.

[plain escarp]

#general-chat 🤓 ☝️

[shadow aurora]

So if he believed he was perfect why did he keep warshipping slaanesh? Theyre all about the escalation of ones desires and shit but if he already reached his climax or so he thought, why?

[uncut pebble]

Still a very annoying character to fight, though.

[gilded rock]

I must be thinking of the wrong guy then

[terse idol]

Gained power by Slaanesh

[gilded rock]

It was one of the tomb kings

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, I couldn't tell you.

His motivations are unknown to me.

I just know he was a huge hater and refused to be unclean.

[shadow aurora]

I mean if he is perfect sounds like he would just be fucking bored all the time

[uncut pebble]

He was.

[faint beacon]

Honestly whats Smudgels said, thats my best guess when you're constantly ego boosting yourself

[terse idol]

I just think Sigvald didn't think he'd reach his climax

[shadow aurora]

Motivated off of pure hatred

[terse idol]

If he thought he was perfect someone might come along and be better

[uncut pebble]

Iirc, this is what also made khorne hate slaanesh more than anything in wh fantasy lore.

[faint beacon]

"None of you could be as perfect as me"

[terse idol]

It's the constant elevation of Perfection driving Sigvald

Hence the worship to slaanesh

[uncut pebble]

Khorne wanted Sigvald to be the greatest warrior on the planet, and slaanesh stole him away.

[fading yarrow]

Say y'all, what's the minimum Stability I want for a Recon(VId) lasgun?

[hearty panther]

0%

[uncut pebble]

Stability is a dump stat.

[fading yarrow]

Is it a dump stat

Nice

[faint beacon]

We love the Dump stat stab

[shadow aurora]

Get it as low as you can go

Broken wrist gang

[hearty panther]

the range of values for stability are incredibly minimal

[plain escarp]

are dump stats universal for all weapons in the game? and what are those?

[faint beacon]

Carpal Tunnel vets

[uncut pebble]

Honestly I think they need to rework stability so high stability actually means something.

[fading yarrow]

I have one with 80 damage, 78 ammo, 62 collateral and 80 mobility

[hearty panther]

no

[terse idol]

Ironically, disfigured and killed by Khourne too

[uncut pebble]

Yeah.

Khorne did not let that one slide.

[faint beacon]

Thats poetic.

[uncut pebble]

Many deaths in wh fantasy are.

[terse idol]

Many debts repaayed

[scarlet path]

Should i pick this up or nah

[uncut pebble]

greatest slann spellcaster ever to live, capable of rivalling even the old ones in power
killed by the biggest hater of spellcasters ever to exist

I am referring to mazdamundi being destroyed by khorne.

[uncut pebble]

No. That's a brick and a half.

The stats are alright, save for stopping power, but both perks and both blessings are wrong.

[scarlet path]

Unfortunate'

[terse idol]

You could salvage it abit

[uncut pebble]

Indeed, unfortunate.

[terse idol]

Keep hit and run

[scarlet path]

idk the meta for modern infantry autoguns nowadays

[terse idol]

Replace groaners with flak

[faint beacon]

Replace punish with DumDum

its... semi-useable

[terse idol]

Replace punishing salvo for Deathspitter

[fading yarrow]

I'm out of Plasteel💀

[terse idol]

Or yeah

Dum dum

Like think about it this way

[scarlet path]

Back to malice with ye

[terse idol]

Columnus is still one of the certified guns of all time

[faint beacon]

I mean to be fair it

yeah

its the CIAG

you really dont need DD as a blessing to boost it up

lmao

[terse idol]

Like, just take flak, replace dumdum and done

[faint beacon]

Talking about the gun just makes me sink back into my chair with a depressed look on my face realizing how fucking stupid it is with killing literally anything

[gilded rock]

I think if I was a slann fighting Khorne enemies I would just use telekinesis to make it like dolls fighting each other

[uncut pebble]

If that would even work.

Remember that it's khorne you're fighting.

You're assuming magic would even work.

[terse idol]

I was thinking the same, it might work, for like a few of them, but we're considering massive hordes of blood letters at best

Too angry to believe in magic

Mazdamundi for sure

[uncut pebble]

Enough khornate stuff in an area just straight up turns magic off, iirc.

[terse idol]

I gotta make sure to read into it

[midnight scaffold]

Swap slaughterer or bru mo for cycler?

[candid agate]

probably brutal

ignore me then

i know nothing

[midnight scaffold]

would you drop slaughterer for cycler or swap the perks? I know I want flak at least but elites would be nice too

[lyric dock]

Brutal is amazing. You'll be surprise at how good it is at just cleaving through hordes

[midnight scaffold]

sounds good

[lyric dock]

This is my PS

[gilded rock]

Guh?? I didn't know that, that's kinda funny

[uncut pebble]

Got a good mk2 recon.

Very nice with marksman's focus.

I can consistently keep stacks up while having a gun good enough to reposition with.

I sacrifice a bit of damage not running my mk12 ilas, but that's fine if I can reposition easily.

[gilded rock]

What was mk2's role again? I recall the other one that isn't 7a is good anti-carapace/single target

Glad it isn't just an objectively worse one than the other two anymore from what I hear

[uncut pebble]

Honestly, I don't know or care. I just know the mk6 I had did not feel good in my hands, and this one does.

I would prefer a mk7, but this will suffice in the meantime.

[pastel yew]

mk2 is single target dps and has the best ammo efficiency

means with crit you can basically always use it while using next to no ammo

mk2 is my personal favorite

[uncut pebble]

I ask, and brunt delivers....

Now, if hadron will be nice, I can get a good mk7.

[pastel yew]

hadron and I are not on good terms right now

[lyric dock]

Hadron will brick it

[pastel yew]

I have every t4 blessing for the bolt pistol

except... the one... I want...

I want my money back

[lyric dock]

I'm waiting for the crafting rework

And not even bothering crafting new weapons

[pastel yew]

who knows how many months out that is though

all blessings are converted into xp so

[uncut pebble]

Don't you put that evil on me.

[pastel yew]

my completionist itch will be rewarded

[lyric dock]

I'll stay buy melk weapons for blessings I'm missing and whatever T1 and T2 blessings row up in Brunt's sho

[pastel yew]

yeah I've been doing that

[lyric dock]

Just not interacting with hadron at all

[pastel yew]

not sure if it will pan out but... I was already doing it anyway

[lyric dock]

Bricked to many promising weapons

[pastel yew]

eh my standards are

significantly lower than most

I don't normally shoot for god rolls because of the required grind

[lyric dock]

I just ask for a 350+ weapon with good enough stat spread

[pastel yew]

ah that's not so bad

[lyric dock]

And Hadron giving me at least 1/4 on something I want

[pastel yew]

I have a fair few blessings now so it's not that bad as long as I get one aight perk on the gun

honestly some weapons are also fine without blessings

just a stat thing

[faint beacon]

Finally hit 1 mil ordos we only climb from here

[lyric dock]

These are some of the better roll Vet weapons I have gotten over time on Vet

[gilded rock]

7a being so good at mixed horde clear feels nice

I still have yet to rework my recon build since the buffs because db build is too stimulating

In a good way

[candid agate]

anything to be done with this or too bad?

[odd sparrow]

infested to flak

[candid agate]

nothing else?

[odd sparrow]

not sure about blessings for that gun

pretty sure you wanna swap speedload for a dmg increase blessing

cant remembber if that gun has dumdum or fire frenzy/deathspitter

[candid agate]

it has fire frenzy

[spice wadi]

Oui oui

Some eagle eyed beans may see it already has flak

[radiant chasm]

no dum dum, just fire frenzy and dspitter

[faint beacon]

Infested to maniac seeing you have Flak already

[uncut pebble]

My mk7 recon with good stats has one last chance to not be a brick.

Pray for me, brothers and sisters.

[austere mica]

I got my mk7 off melk

[uncut pebble]

It started at green with 20% flak damage, then rolled sprint efficiency and stripped down.

I just need the last upgrade to be a good blessing...

[candid agate]

so should i go with fire frenzy or spitter?

[gilded rock]

Update?

[radiant chasm]

por que los dos? (why not both)

[candid agate]

i have to change infestid to flak

[radiant chasm]

tho maniac perk instead of infested perk might be good

you already have flak on your gun tho

and if you changed the other perk off flak, then you are locked out

[candid agate]

i meant maniac

[radiant chasm]

idk, i feel double damage/power blessings>>>>> one better perk

[candid agate]

hmm ok then

[radiant chasm]

DS is 6.5% power per stack, and fire frenzy is 10% close damage per stack

up to 5 stacks on each yea, better than changing a single perk

[sullen scarab]

Does Cleave Damage do anything on the Power Swords? Or is it just for unenergized strikes?

One on the right is my current one, but the BMII was bothering me

[uncut pebble]

The rating of bm doesn't really matter all too much, the big thing of that blessing is the infinite cleave. It doesn't matter what level it is, all of them have infinite cleave on headshots.

[sullen scarab]

Yeah, I know that part, it was just bothering me lmao

my ocd kicked in

[uncut pebble]

Like, it's nice to have, but it isn't necessary to have it super high.

[sullen scarab]

Does Cleave Damage actually do anything though on the power sword on the charged attacks? or is it only for like the unpowered ones

[uncut pebble]

Anywho, inspect the weapon and look at the stats.

[sullen scarab]

I guess it doesn't matter with brutal momentum anyways

[uncut pebble]

Cleave damage says "damage delivered to additional enemies hit beyond the first target."

So yeah, I figure it does matter.

Your dump stat on power swords is gonna be mobility. Ideally, you want it to be at least 51% for the extra dodge, but anything above that isn't necesary.

[sullen scarab]

yeah

i'll just keep my current one then

[crude fiber]

I forget whether it's cleave damage or cleave targets, whichever one says damage to flak. That actually effects your damage against the first target amd can effect your break points on scab ragers

[tall torrent]

Neither affects first target

First target is what affects exclusively to the first target hit

Cleave target is how many enemies u can hit

Cleave dmg is cleave Dmg distribution after first target

[crude fiber]

Not stated, but I'm pretty sure whichever of the stats says it effects cleave against flak targets does also affect damage done to the first flak target.

I had 2 almost identical powerswords that had different damage done to scab ragers

[tall torrent]

Prob cleave Dmg then

[crude fiber]

Maybe im tweaking, I'd test it but im not home rn. I just remember this cause I really wanted a mk6 that 2 hit both ragers

[marble mantle]

Can lacerate go to 4 or just 3

[austere mica]

4 but why would you want that

[marble mantle]

Huh idk I was just asking

Making a bleedy knife for WS

For kicks

[austere mica]

Lacerate is the wrong bleed blessing, unless you are using both for memes

[marble mantle]

Oh right it’s flesh tearer isn’t it

[austere mica]

Yeah

[marble mantle]

Wack

[austere mica]

Lacerate is a massive antisynergy with everything knife stands for

[marble mantle]

I don’t think I’ve ever even seen flesh tearer

[austere mica]

I haven't seen Executor

[crude fiber]

Add a blessing like executor but for non-weakspot

[old quail]

unironically i kinda wish u got +impact if u aimed ur sweeps at people's feet

[midnight totem]

yes

[hearty panther]

tfw ive spent the last 6hrs of gameplay trying to sus out a breakpoint when i had never even rolled the necessary perks on my gun to begin with

[midnight totem]

not only is cleave damage, damage distribution

but it also influences armor penetration

higher cleave damage will do more damage to flak targets

[sullen scarab]

Yeah it seems to say that lol

[midnight totem]

on the first hit too

[sullen scarab]

I wasn't sure if the powered up hit changes anything

Or if the rules still apply

[midnight totem]

still applies

[sullen scarab]

Ok

[midnight totem]

only cleave targets is ignored by power up

[sullen scarab]

I guess I'll just keep my 80 cleave damage roll then!

[midnight totem]

like, I had a 79 damage power sword with 80 cleave damage

and a 80 damage power sword with 65 or so cleave damage

and the second one barely missed one shotting a flak armor scab shotgunner

with an energized light

[sullen scarab]

makes sense

[midnight totem]

that was when I first learned that and was like "Well this is annoying"

[sullen scarab]

yeah I bet lol

rolled another one that I had lying around

higher finesse on the left one, but lower cleave damage

i think I'll just keep using the right one

the BM2 bothers my ocd but it doesn't mechanically impact anything lol

[midnight totem]

aye, the slightly lower finesse isn't bad

[sullen scarab]

yeah its barely noticeable haha

[lyric dock]

Won't notice a thing

[sullen scarab]

oh yeah I got a bolt pistol Ineed some help with

I guess I'll slap Maniac on it, and replace the deadly accurate with the bleed blessing?

I feel like I'm not really landing headshots with the bolt pistol that often lol

[midnight totem]

its got a bit of a recoil issue atm

and its strangely inaccurately accurate

[tall torrent]

The problem is sway

[pastel yew]

honestly I wouldnt

you already have such a great blessing combo at t4

the recoil might get adjusted eventually and you can always improve

if you're using a controller though then I'd probably give up

[arctic rampart]

@sullen scarab what's the plugin that adds extra text

[pastel yew]

sort of both recoil and sway

the sway is super bugged and the recoil takes ages to reset

[pseudo fiber]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[sullen scarab]

Yeah that's the one I'm using lol

And yeah I usually run Deadshot on the pistol to keep it stable

I guess I'll keep both, it's a good combo for now

Guess it'll help when shooting bosses

[pseudo fiber]

It is a good combo honestly

[sullen scarab]

Yeah, that's why I was kind of like hmmmm do I really change it lol

[pastel yew]

its about as close to perfect as you can get

if you keep the blessings

[sullen scarab]

Yeeee

[pastel yew]

at least for vet

[sullen scarab]

Yes

[pastel yew]

like if you scrap it you will likely never get this again, you might as well just make a second bolt pistol

[sullen scarab]

I know haha

I have a second one with +Elite, Puncture, and that one explosion skill on it

[pastel yew]

I wiss the explosion blessing applied puncture stacks

it'd be so dope

[sullen scarab]

I know right?

I haven't found it too useful since it just makes everyone get pushed a bit

[stiff surge]

Melk had this one for me, Crits a little low but the rest of the stats, perks, and blessings were too good to pass up. Maybe vs unyielding to carapace?

[midnight totem]

Zzz

Nap, then dinner, then murdering enemies of the Emperor all night long

[hearty panther]

man havent bolter vet in a while

forgot how satisfying it is

[last parcel]

that’s the life

[pastel yew]

with weapon specialist it's satisfying but... without it not as much

[hearty panther]

wepspec bolter? hell nah xstance

[pastel yew]

oh thats what I meant

slipped the names up

you need something to make the recoil and sway less shit

also the massive damage steroid is good with it for dealing with bosses

if you can spray the weakspot

[last parcel]

x3 stance

pounces on you

[pastel yew]

kawai darktide when

april fools event

[junior needle]

Choose one of the blessings to replace with headtaker

[pastel yew]

decimator sucky anyway

just worse headtaker

[junior needle]

The 4 doesn't go brudal so it's either deci or shred

[lusty sapphire]

Quickscoping

Still resets the recoil almost instantly

[pastel yew]

yeah but it is incredibly jank

also from hipfire to ads is innacurate

your sight can start in a different place than your crosshair because the sway is too intense

[hollow tree]

hi, kind of new, only 11 atm, but what kinds of weapons do you guys find to be best for vet? i typically like automatics of sorts but wasn't sure if there were notable ones or not

[austere mica]

If you like automatics the Columnus Infantry Autogun is the best

Or a MkVIIa recon is good

[junior needle]

ciag is the highest dps automatic in the game and is very effective for spraying things, do try to aim for the head though

[hollow tree]

which Columnus? or is it all variants?

and i did hear good things about accatran mk viia but still 5 levels from using unfortunately

[last parcel]

the infantry autogun, not the braced autogun. i think it's the mk V

[austere mica]

The Infantry Autogun

[hollow tree]

oh infantry auto gun, my bad

also is there much variance in melee weapon options or not really for veteran

[austere mica]

Lots

[junior needle]

the columnus brauto is the worst brauto variant

[pastel yew]

plasma gun is the strongest for sure, then the zarona if you take weapon specialist

aside from that there are a lot of strong options

vet is eating good this patch

[thorn lark]

I am on the fence between both barrels manstopper/ Deathspitter manstopper / scattershot manstopper

[hollow tree]

haven't got there but so far i prefer autos if i can help personally

[pastel yew]

mhm I mean nothing you use now will feel like it will later

I will give you advice I wish I had noticed sooner but

if you use a weapon now and think "ah this isn't that good"

try it again at 30

I slept on so many of my favourite weapons because they were mid or bad when first unlocked

[pastel yew]

you could try the recon lasers

they're real strong currently, just got buffed

[hollow tree]

yeah, i heard alot of things wildly change

[thorn lark]

Like don't ever use a staff before reaching lvl30 on a psyker. Painful and miserable experience

[hollow tree]

also find it silly that all guns cap at 80% for stats

[pastel yew]

yeah honestly if I could go back I'd just path straight to assail and use that until 30

maybe a little lower than 30 as you can switch out to gun psyker

[thorn lark]

That's what I just did to get manstopper

Assail and fully crafted zarona for carapace

[pastel yew]

yeah I'm thinking about doing the same thing as I wanna try it and from my understanding manstopper is THE blessing for it

[thorn lark]

i will experience that today

[pastel yew]

I think it's to make room for a higher tier of weapons later on

there's this whole on going story and background element of "mobian steel" and how it's super strong and cooler than normal steel

in vermintide there was a red tier of weapon

[radiant chasm]

going away with the crafting rewokr

[pastel yew]

stats all together?

or

just 80% cap

I do hope current 80% is just what is recognised as the cap as... a 25% increase in weapon strength sounds like it would break the balance furhter

[radiant chasm]

this one gone

[pastel yew]

😬

[junior needle]

@somber axle Reddit has yet another stellar opinion on recons

[austere mica]

The thing that gives crits on a gun with crit strings

[last parcel]

punishing salvo fans rise up

[junior needle]

No ammo usage and aiming at heads bad

[somber axle]

For Psykers that's fine because they don't have Shock Trooper but they do have Scriers Gaze so they can have fun with Dum Dum increasing Infernus ticks but Vet has very little crit they can reach. With no Headhunter or Deadshot the crit chance is so low that anyone playing Dum Dum Infernus is going to go "well when it crits it works!!" while banking crits off of what? 15% chance at most? Assuming they get the 5% talent node and a 5% weapon perk to go with Vet base 5% crit which is just LOL

Like this would be more damage in someone's head but in practice it's gambling on low RNG

[junior needle]

I'm aware. However another response was "shocktrooper has ICD therefore shocktrooper bad"

Which isn't even true.

[somber axle]

Reddit people are truly creatures. They don't have good memes, don't have good info on the game and their drip is basic

[last parcel]

which is so based

[somber axle]

I could forgive the last two but the first one is unforgivable

[hearty panther]

infernus is for the 6d

and psyker cares more for true aim than scriers tbh

[somber axle]

Scriers Recon Mk VId with Dum Dum and Infernus gives me life

[hearty panther]

at least for this specific interaction

[torpid grotto]

Goodbye rager pack

[somber axle]

I love Recons on Psykers so much that if Shock Trooper didn't exist I would probably be a Psyker main LOL

[torpid grotto]

Yes

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chat-gato-gun-gunshot-gif-25764718

[torpid grotto]

Im addicted to maniac unyielding on it

Even tho theres so many sotuations I want flak

I cant give up boss damage

[fleet thicket]

guys

whats the minium collateral

on bolter that is needed to open bulwarks?

[thorn lark]

Speedloader fans unite!

[tough tiger]

Didnt they make it no longer worth it to open bulwarks with bolter?

[last parcel]

executioner's stance makes it 2 shots

[thorn lark]

You need exec stance or pinning fire stacks.. it's better to just wait for them to move and shoot tbh

[tough tiger]

Bolter is better used as a marksman weapon now

[somber axle]

Wanna see the fastest reload in the game?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/quickster-spongebob-meme-gif-12947536

[somber axle]

https://gyazo.com/6691bb280343b9ea751702ed63ead013

So fast that the game began to break

https://gyazo.com/6060ec5262d99575e031bd14ce25f358

I also did one with the Laspistol

[thorn lark]

Yes

[thorn lark]

Loool what

[somber axle]

the Laspistol was exactly

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486811369837166592/1245140174862553128/image.png?ex=66944fa7&is=6692fe27&hm=60e06af33d866296845e9f7743ca6252124758246ec7cc087c0b8f8d91e897bd&

27 frames

[thorn lark]

My god

[somber axle]

I never bothered to check how fast the Zarona Revolver was

[thorn lark]

You put speedloader, both reload talent, reload speed perk and marksman?

[somber axle]

yes

+10% reload speed perk
+10% reload speed per Speedload stack at max 5 stacks
+30% reload speed on Elite/Special kill Volley Adept Talent
+25% reload speed if weapon contains ammo Tactical Reload talent
+20% reload speed Weapon Specialist Keystone with Fleeting Fire modifier

Double Barrel Shotgun is in the game now and it has Both Barrels for +70% reload speed so it could be funny to try that

[thorn lark]

I forgot you had a reload talent with ws

[somber axle]

Everyone uses Always Prepared to ignore reloading anyway LOL

[tame lichen]

correct

your're trolling if you arent using that keystonea this point

[last parcel]

this should be with speedload and both barrels but i just didn't update my buff bars to show them
i feel like it should be faster than this
https://streamable.com/1gu6gf

[tame lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[hearty panther]

Look at the number, not the anim

[placid portal]

Holy shit the recon lasguns got 0 recoil

[atomic zephyr]

yep, thats their best quirk

[somber axle]

The animation makes it feel slower than it is

[atomic zephyr]

i should pick up my agripinaa shotgun again

[tame lichen]

I with cutthroat vet had more voicelines,

[atomic zephyr]

real

i love fem cutthroat voice but she doesnt talk enough

male cutthroat feels like he has more to say

[tame lichen]

Average cadian

[atomic zephyr]

honestly thinking of swapping back to fem professional

but the shout voicelines go too hard

on another note, should i bother rolling for another?

[hearty panther]

yea infested is kinda balls

[last parcel]

still too slow. i was able to blink twice

[somber axle]

we need to go FASTER

[pastel yew]

yesn't

the way I see it theres so much power in this game that is wasted because theres nothing tough enough to justify it

so we got efficiency to burn here... on doing goofy cool shit without griefing

and bolter full auto is definitely one of those things

[midnight totem]

alrighty, who wants to play

[pastel yew]

yknow you use exec stance and marksman weapon for a bit... but sometimes you need to just really blow up a group of dudes

[lyric dock]

Always fun to mag dump into a monster and watch the HP bar just drop

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/neuron-activation-neuron-gif-1455356329209493514

or watching that kill feed fill for like... 5 seconds until you hear that dissapointing clunk

[lyric dock]

And even better when Exe used to fully reload bolter so you can just casually dump 30 shots into the boss

[tough tiger]

Imagine.... 30 round bolter

[pastel yew]

never forget what they took from us.

[lyric dock]

Wish that comes back even if it comes with a point tax as a ability augment node

[pastel yew]

I think they'd have to change how crucian roullette works

there used to be a bug where you could stack crit because you only lost stacks on reload

or something like that I think...

so you could effectively keep firing at max chance or beyond I'm fuzzy on the details

it'd also probably still make the zarona OP OP

since the main downside is the reload

[midnight totem]

Only Space Marines get 30 round bolters

[pastel yew]

it was 24 in the ttrpg

for human size

[lyric dock]

To be fair. This is human size one with Budget cuts

Can't trust the varlets that much with a extended mag....Yet

[pastel yew]

I don't think they fire the same ammo

I think the space marine ones are like

significantly larger

gun and shell

[midnight totem]

-pulls up lore-

the current "standard" bolt shell is .75 calibre

there are older variants of bolter that fire .60, .70, and even .50 calibre bolts

[lyric dock]

Huh. Neat

[midnight totem]

the tigrius fires .60, the photos fires .70

[pastel yew]

bolter drum mag.. 🤤

also isn't the normal human pattern like

none of these

[midnight totem]

the Godwyn is the standard space marine bolter in 40k

[pastel yew]

I forget the name

is it literally mars pattern

[jovial aurora]

powerswords explained?

[midnight totem]

yes, the human pattern is none of this

[pastel yew]

hot innit

[jovial aurora]

which one doesn't feel bad?

[pastel yew]

neither feel bad... if you have power cycle

[jovial aurora]

i don't like the 3 so far

[pastel yew]

no power cycler = shit, power cycler 3 = good, power cycler 4 = S tier

mk 3 is better for heavy spam I think

mk6 is better for it's push attack

[jovial aurora]

i have pc4

[pastel yew]

since it has high monstrosity damage

[midnight totem]

mk3 is better for heavy spam, mk 6 is better for light spam and push attack

[pastel yew]

the mk6 push attack is dope

[pastel yew]

I would say 6 is stronger, but 3 is complete brain off

[jovial aurora]

it's not amazing but it's okayish

[terse idol]

3 is just Horizontals

Ps6 is 1 combo crusher

😌

[pastel yew]

with push attack > light > light?

[terse idol]

Yuh I think

I forgor

[pastel yew]

oh you can also cancel out of the charge animation with mk6

by blocking

[lyric dock]

Very workable. Wish Rampage was BM, but it'll work

[pastel yew]

which means you can almost immediately charge > shove attack > swing swing

yeah brutal momentum gives you like

an extra dude of cleave I think

an extra dude of cleave over the cleave blessing that is

so significantly more than base

though I'm not an expert on these weapons as there are more fun options imo

[crimson pebble]

I have sunder on mine rn figured id try it after buff wish it was bmomentum

[midnight totem]

Anyway, our Boltgun is the Locke MkIIb

[pastel yew]

tried it and really didn't feel any difference

[jovial aurora]

bruh lol

[pastel yew]

0 finesse

[lyric dock]

[midnight totem]

the original Locke pattern bolter is used by Arbites forces

[pastel yew]

clumsy ass weapon

[lyric dock]

Finesse being dumped hard

A ogryn must have used it

[jovial aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/clumsy-robin-hood-azeem-morgan-freeman-kevin-costner-gif-8155024025316716156

[atomic zephyr]

ghost laspistol just clutched me a run
looks like its a permanent part of my build now

literally stood in the open getting shot at from all sides and managed to get to cover cause of it

[crimson pebble]

My ingame lore is theirs a reason brunt has these weapons that being the previous owner died because they were shit weapons

[pastel yew]

ghost laspistol is super fun

[atomic zephyr]

isnt brunt's cutscene literally a bunch of dudes scrounging around a junkyard

[pastel yew]

I mean to be fair although boltguns and such are rare they're not THAT rare

[atomic zephyr]

locke boltguns wouldnt be that rare at all yeah

[pastel yew]

a lot of this stuff is common use in the "astra militarum"

stupid name

[atomic zephyr]

even the in game rejects agree

[pastel yew]

wait real?

[atomic zephyr]

yeah one of the professionals says they dont know whats up with this "astra militarum buisness"

"itll always be the guard to me" or something like that

i think the fanatic zealots call it the militarum

but notice all the vets call it the guard

[pastel yew]

based and guard pilled

might be like a high gothic vs low gothic thing

[atomic zephyr]

ahhh that would make sense actually

[pastel yew]

since the zealots are normally a little more on the educated side despite their... insanity

also I picture ecclesiarchy stuff to be similar to catholics only having the bible in latin

or whatever

[atomic zephyr]

doesnt one of the zealots literally fake having a high gothic accent

[crimson pebble]

We need a really articulate ogryn voice as a dlc

[atomic zephyr]

loner psyker calls it out

[pastel yew]

oh yeah the really pompous female one

[crimson pebble]

The agitator i think

[atomic zephyr]

ah agitator, i forgot the name of it

i knew it wasnt fanatic or judge

[pastel yew]

would be even better if they were just putting it on... and then improperly using really smart words

[crimson pebble]

Says shit like oh people know me and they tell me things all the time bro im literally so smart

[atomic zephyr]

i would appreciate an armageddon personality

no, im not biased, why do you ask?

[atomic zephyr]

but it would be cool nonetheless

[crimson pebble]

Also why are none of the home worlds you can choose from atoma itself whats the deal w that

[atomic zephyr]

cadia

[pastel yew]

I guess because atoman natives would know about the other hives

[atomic zephyr]

i reckon its much easier to siphon from in-system prisons than shipping them from other places

[pastel yew]

so maybe they kinda want the cast to be in the dark to aid with building mystery or...

honestly the cadians are so overdone

[crimson pebble]

Isnt the one pysker straight up a former enforcer tho i dont remember if its stated he was an atoman enforcer tho tbh

[atomic zephyr]

where was tancred bastion going anyway

[pastel yew]

maybe a controversial take but I'm so burnt out of "I'm a cadian, I'm the best of the best, I'm super cool"

[atomic zephyr]

specifically a tertium enforcer

they remark specifically on their experiences in the hive

(savant)

[pastel yew]

I've played with a few different people in the ttrpg that play cadians and they're always the worst

guy in my recent campaign was aight tho

[atomic zephyr]

cadians in my head are super cool, but in actual writing theyre annoying as shit

[pastel yew]

but in the past especially it was rough

[atomic zephyr]

the portrayal here has grown on me though

[pastel yew]

it's hard to do extremely skilled and perfect and have them be cool I guess

it's elf syndrome

they're arrogant but that arrogance is entirely justified

as they literally are just better

[crimson pebble]

So bro go sent to jail sent into orbit to be taken to atoma just to be sent back planetside anyway

[pastel yew]

frustrating mix of traits I guess

[atomic zephyr]

checks out for the imperium

fuck it im breaking out my psyker
i havent played her since....

well, since the penance update dropped

[wise jackal]

I would argue its less justified here, because well, there isnt really a true backstory for your archetype

[pastel yew]

don't you get it... they're CADIAN

they're all SUPER COOL

they're the best of the best¬

and they have sex!

OOH RAH!

[crimson pebble]

I think the lore you can have for the cadians is they were sent as a relief force for the something something belt starts with an k or c

[wise jackal]

Its not as obnoxious as the female russian psyker though, she is literally just kerillian, thankfully i dont see her often

[pastel yew]

she's meant to be obnoxious though

[wise jackal]

Doesnt make it better

[pastel yew]

eh I mean intent I think helps, because it's written in a way where you're supposed to think "wow what a dweeb" instead of "wow so cool"

like joffrey or however its spelled

from game of thrones

he's absolutely detesteble, but that has a charm because that's what he's meant to be

whereas cadians are meant to be cool and straight laced and instead they're just really fuckin annoying

theres a dissonance there

[wise jackal]

I can see what you mean

Its just that i just find her particularly irritating because she spouts nonsense every single time

With the male german psyker equivalent it works because he has a funny accent, and isnt as grating

[pastel yew]

oh yeah she never shuts up

honestly I think I like all of the psyker voices

I'm not super keen on the enforcer

also weird that.. the enforcer is a psyker but

fair play

[wise jackal]

The french and nigerian ones are amazing

[crimson pebble]

The seer is funny but i imagine can getting annoying hearing this that constantly about beloved

[pastel yew]

called my new psyker I made to get manstopper brenda

and took that voice

it's so fun but yeah the gimmick might wear thin

[midnight totem]

anyway, anybody up for games?

[wise jackal]

The zealot archetype voice lines to me are the weaker ones of the lot tbh

[pastel yew]

nrn boss sorry

currently 2:44 am

[midnight totem]

damn

go to sleep

[pastel yew]

insomnia

took some melatonin but prob should have taken it earlier

[wise jackal]

The scottish one i forgot the archetype name, i can never take seriously because he just sounds like grounds keeper willy

[crimson pebble]

The judge is cool but he is always just pretentiously serious all the time never rlly any funny lines

[unique orchid]

i love the scottish zeallie

[pastel yew]

isn't that a zealot?

oh right yyeah you said

[pastel yew]

his lines with the ogryn are so fucking good though

it is also nice to have some more grounded characters

[midnight totem]

Wh40k

[pastel yew]

too many funny lines and you end up with marvel where everyone has to be a wise cracking quip making monkey

[midnight totem]

grounded

[pastel yew]

some aspects of the setting are!

[wise jackal]

To me all of them just feel like diluted saltzpyres

[unique orchid]

s'why ive grown to like the Professional Voice as well, theyre a bit more serious

[pastel yew]

honestly I kinda like the 40k setting when it's more grounded

human scale

I feel it makes the ridiculousness pop

[midnight totem]

fair enough, so do I xD

[pastel yew]

its kinda lame when parody doesn't take itself seriously

[wise jackal]

Yeah

[pastel yew]

like they're embarassed or something so they have to constantly "h-hey guys.. w-w-we're in on the joke too!" *wink

[wise jackal]

40k works best when they take the ridiculous straight

[crimson pebble]

If you mixed judge and agitator youd get him

[unique orchid]

agreed, you quite literally can become a sex daemon, or bathe in so much blood the blood god actually gives you his favor

[tough tiger]

Female agitator my beloved

[unique orchid]

that and like, the mightiest and most reliable wall of meat in the imperium is about as mentally powerful as a toddler

[crimson pebble]

I wonder what the world looks like through a ogryn bionic eye

[wise jackal]

Honestly for zealot i kinda like the first archetype

[sonic skiff]

rolled manstopper after one day

yipee

[wise jackal]

He does has some fire ult lines

[unique orchid]

whichun is the first archetype for zeal again

[sonic skiff]

hes right behind me isnt he 30 times a match

[wise jackal]

All i remember was one of his lines “REJOICE SINNERS!”

[unique orchid]

oh i think thats the judge, the deep voice right?

[pastel yew]

literally physically cringed at that

[wise jackal]

Oh i remember, hes called the agitator

[midnight totem]

I don't remember, but is it possible to be damaged inside a beast of nurgle?

by stuff other then the beast of nurgle

[sonic skiff]

good

[coral willow]

well its not rate

poxbursters and flamers still fuck you

[wicked epoch]

which one better

alright

whats a good looking helbore

like idk what to look for here

[midnight totem]

bah

[austere mica]

Surgical and the one that reduces charge time

[pastel yew]

uhh... like probably the second one?

idk they both seem fine

stopping power is a little low on the first but I'm not sure how much of a difference that makes on the helbore, I'd inspect the weapon to see the number difference. stopping power will tell you your damage modifier to flak/carapace

ammo is probably the dump stat as they have like infinite ammo with surgical and storm trooper from what I am aware

[wicked epoch]

keeps giving me falter and chain of fire

weight of fire whtver

falter, sustained fire, weight of fire, and infernus

[midnight totem]

woot, auric with meme shovel and bolter success

[thorn dragon]

grats

[midnight totem]

I'm not even sure why I'm using serrated on my shovel

[wicked epoch]

what should i use outta thes

[hearty panther]

weight

[sonic skiff]

double barrel blessings are manstopper+scatter right?

[marble mantle]

Heavy laspistol x is flakiac right

Or something else cuz I already have maniac on it

[marble mantle]

Both barrel manstopper

Is the typical

[sonic skiff]

dont need both barrel, got WS

[marble mantle]

Same answer still

Nice to have

[sonic skiff]

i doubt it, thats just a waste then

[marble mantle]

Feel free to ask around

[sonic skiff]

bet

[thorn dragon]

i do man + scatter with wep specialist

a lot of times just 1 shell is enough for what you need with scattershot going

I guess I run agile engagement so that might be weird breakpoints

[uncut pebble]

You want weight of fire, surgical, unarmored damage, and I think maniac damage for a 4/4 helbore.

Weight of fire and surgical together makes your charged shots almost always a crit at max damage.

Very nice for dealing with crushers/maulers.

[wicked epoch]

Thank you

[austere mica]

Also basically infinite ammo with Shock Trooper

[uncut pebble]

The big thing here is the blessings.

[wicked epoch]

Im betting this, bayonet, and maul will basically be the perfect trench fighter

[uncut pebble]

Perks aren't as important as they're mainly for your bayonet.

[wicked epoch]

along with voice of command

[uncut pebble]

Also, you don't want to use the mk3.

The mk3 has the icky bayonet attack.

[wicked epoch]

damnit i invested into it already

[uncut pebble]

It's good for now.

[wicked epoch]

dang nabbit

which one should i grab for the next one

[uncut pebble]

Just, for future, the mk1 or mk2 have the good bayonet attack.

[wicked epoch]

I mean the bayonet is only to get them off my back until i can get the mace out

[uncut pebble]

I don't remember but one is faster and deals a little less damage than the other. I want to say it's the mk2.

[wicked epoch]

and then wham bang shanga lang

[sonic skiff]

wait, its impossible to craft lvl 2 blessings at 30 right

[uncut pebble]

So it's a matter of preference for mk1/mk2.

[thorn dragon]

3 is the chop

[wicked epoch]

Whats so bad about the 3

If its a chop

[uncut pebble]

The bayonet attack is very slow.

[wicked epoch]

Ah

But im guessing the damage is high?

[uncut pebble]

It does more damage, sure, but you're going to spend a lot longer bayoneting one target.

And no, not really.

[wicked epoch]

Aw

[uncut pebble]

It has a good bit of stagger, though.

Though the poke-y bayonets can stop a rager iirc.

You also can't bayonet charge with the mk3, last I checked.

[wicked epoch]

damn

Kark🪖

[uncut pebble]

PUT THE KARKIN' BOOT IN

[sonic skiff]

its impossible to craft blessings below 3 at 30 right

[uncut pebble]

But yeah, for future, you want either the mk1 or mk2. My preference is the mk2.

[thorn dragon]

If not actually, basically its impossilve

[uncut pebble]

I wish I had an answer for you.

[sonic skiff]

i just did

its a shit blessing but its not locked at 2 like manstopper

[uncut pebble]

The only thing hadron gives me is the same level 3 blessing on everything when I go blessing hunting.

Like, I do not need shred 3 on every karking chainsword I bless.

[sonic skiff]

manstopper scatter feels v good

what do yall weapon specialists use with double barrel as a melee

i got devils claw rn

[uncut pebble]

Anything.

Power sword, dclaw, sapper shovel...

[sonic skiff]

perf

are the new power mauls any good

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah they're good

[uncut pebble]

*Shock mauls, and yeah, they're very good.

Their only downside is bad unyielding damage but they do well otherwise.

[marble mantle]

Mmmmm shock maul my beloved

[pastel yew]

are you upgrading to only get one blessing on a weapon, or two?

[uncut pebble]

One.

[pastel yew]

if you want t4s fully upgrade

it's more expensive sure, but its not more expensive than trying to roll t4 on your first blessing

[uncut pebble]

Not hunting for t4s.

[pastel yew]

ah in that case t3 is chilling

[uncut pebble]

The elusive manstopper evades me every chance I try.

[marble mantle]

Lol same

[uncut pebble]

Or Hadron just bricks everything I have.

[pastel yew]

for the double barrel?

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

[marble mantle]

Still need it on law

[pastel yew]

there is no tier 3 from what I am aware

[marble mantle]

2

[pastel yew]

very much a case of "lvl 30 character? get fucked"

[uncut pebble]

I got lucky enough to find manstopper on a bad combat shotgun in brunt's store.

[pastel yew]

I know a lot of people have suggested making a psyker

getting to level 17

and grinding it from there

because you're so much more likely to get level 3 blessings you will basically never get it

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bLEpA.gif

[pastel yew]

I only got flechette recently in a store... similar issue

only exists at tier 2 so get bent

so it's likely gonna be a case of get lucky and find it in the shop, or grind a psyker to the lowest possible level to craft double barrels and go from there

[amber cliff]

yeah i got lucky and melk gave it to me

man stopper crit build can give some dopamine

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/javier-look-window-lesmis-miserable-gif-4724071

me watching all the other vets have fun with their double barrels

;-;

[amber cliff]

i killed 5 shotgunners at once with it

it was a good time

i wish u luck my son

or daughter

my gamer*

my gamer i wish u luck

[pastel yew]

already grinding a psyker

I identify as gamer

get that in my pronouns lmao

[amber cliff]

solidarity

[little path]

My favourite psyker build is the "police brutality" build

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/geot9DjmUss.gif

[pastel yew]

gamer... the most oppressed group of all

[pastel yew]

lmfao... what ranged weapon even would that be?

wait do they even get the stun maul

[amber cliff]

shot gun since law enforcement in lore uses em

and thens tun maul

[little path]

no no no

[amber cliff]

oh sorry

go off

[little path]

melee is whatever

staff? the surge staff

why? taser

your grenade? smite

Why?

Pepper spray

[uncut pebble]

If you want the full police brutality build you have to take the enforcer personality and use the shock maul and double barrel.

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/taser-taser-guy-burger-king-police-chase-take-down-gif-5945983029468493248

[little path]

Your ability? Push

Why?

[amber cliff]

me running to save my teamate while a trapper walks through a spawn door

[little path]

Flashbang

[amber cliff]

(we lose)

[little path]

Can also be called the "stop resisting" build

because you just nonstop tase people until they drop dead

[amber cliff]

who hurt you

[little path]

Heretics

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bvKfw.gif

[jovial aurora]

man

if you can't see the damn trapper

the trapper shouldn't be able to trap you

[hollow ibex]

nets flying through shit is pretty aids

[little path]

Should be changed to be like the dogs

they need full unblocked view of you to pounce

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1079236027690012773/1261596186650087484/DarktideModding_DuckPlayer.mp4?ex=66943142&is=6692dfc2&hm=dbaf72eafb6c01da838368b96219327ace15792e5fb037cb06780448f38570a6&

da quak

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-cafe-terrace-peak-gif-16745788662127137934

[frank basin]

Is that motherfucking critical hit noise from tf2?

[amber cliff]

yeah i noticed that too lol

[marble mantle]

Milk

[marble mantle]

Chucking quack

[coral willow]

that crit noise somehow sent me back in memory lane

[frank basin]

Mcmilkie

[frank basin]

Your playing friendly fire mod on.

Vermintide experience

[amber cliff]

nah i wish it was my clip got it from the modding discord

the duck had to breach containment

the question is. is that duck a imported model?

or in in game

for some reaosn

[frank basin]

Imported model

Random duck from website free 3d model

[coral willow]

i need to get in modding discord

i asusme its imported

[abstract locust]

Weapons Specialist shotgun. What's the verdict

[coral willow]

damage 79%, woe upon ye

[frank basin]

79%, extract the blessing

[shadow aurora]

Take deathspitter the base is bad

[coral willow]

all jokes aside but 79`80% being BP for the 790 damage is like peak trolling done by fatshark

people see the front being 78 and be like scream

[abstract locust]

is there a 790 dmg breakpoint?

[coral willow]

no

but yknow

vanity

i think

[abstract locust]

the swagger

[coral willow]

least i dont htink there is a 2 damage BP lol

you lose 2 damage

[shadow aurora]

Not a multiple of 5. Literally unusable...

[coral willow]

this is multiple of 4, i can die in peace

also sometimes oneshot muties which is nice

(hitting head is hard)

[abstract locust]

Is deathspitter manstopper the best two for weapons specialist veteran?

[coral willow]

idk

i like doublebarrel more than i admit

and i like runngun on it for reduced spread at times but i havent experimented with it enough

[midnight totem]

alrighty, anybody up for a game?

[wraith locust]

I think scattershot manstopper is best

You get 50% crit average in a mission

[amber cliff]

Have you seen the model before? not trying to be rude, cause im just thinking importing a whole ass model as well as that is kinda insane

[coral willow]

its the same as reading a code

just telling the mod framework to read this data and render it as this instead of read this data and execute it as a code

i think

[frank basin]

It is always possible to do that

[amber cliff]

wow thats awesome

Im not knowledgeable at all, can't wait for modder fuckery

[coral willow]

one day i hope for blue archive model for players

:3

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/bUByu.gif

[coral willow]

oh i deal with heresy

[jovial aurora]

if ya'll had to chose one

[amber cliff]

Son

IM WAITING

[tame lodge]

Same

[amber cliff]

all i know about that game is like

people go 😭😭😭💢

on twitter

[jovial aurora]

rending strikes or superiority complex

[coral willow]

well pretty much

i just like to put on warhammer 40k sauce on it

[mortal horizon]

was trying to roll a rashad for my WM double barrel build
Think it came out pretty nice lol

basically perfect right?

[radiant chasm]

depends on your weapon but imo superiority complex unless the rending might should better if your weapon has 90% or less flak/maniac ADMs

[mortal horizon]

after a bunch of testing this feels best for me for double barrel build. Anyone have any variations they prefer I should try however? Ive tried quite a few

few notes on why ive settled on what I have:

-stealth is cool too but i just like my shout. Feels like both are viable but stealth is more point intensive.

-I also like frag grenades but get +1 point for taking kraks and the build can struggle with bulwarks, so rocking kraks for now.

-Having + infested on the double barrel does feel pretty good for poxwalker hordes, its a consideration. + flak does make 1 tapping flamers and some other targets easier in some situations. +Maniac I think is a must-have bc you need it to be good hot swapping vs ragers and you want it to 1 tap a mutant in a pinch so you dont have to swap to melee and finish it off. If you rock Both Barrels +unyielding could be a consideration for nuking bulwarks and bosses upclose better.

-Why full Bore over Both Barrels? Reloading with weapon master is what I do 90% of the time, I get more damage out of full bore when in somethings face, so I rock it. It pairs well with how I play since im hot swapping for WM free reloads almost all the time. I did try Both Barrels but I didn't love it. I also tried dropping "always prepared" in the skill tree and getting extra points elsewhere in the tree, but it just didn't feel good either. Felt like i was nerfing the flow of the build by not having the hotswap/auto reload ability. Reloading manually with this build is for chumps haha. I would prefer to melee -> double swap -> melee -> swap to double reload if i need to, you can even do it once practiced in the thick of a horde and top off you're weapon with almost no pause in your melee horde clear.

anyone else feel similar or rather have any key disagreements? I would like to hear them out and test other peoples preferences too.

[placid portal]

Decapitator is pretty cool blessing

[mortal horizon]

you mean for my build + rashad i just posted? I havent tried it actually. Would it replace Headtaker?

ive always used headtaker + bm for rashad

[radiant chasm]

Decap def wouldn’t use on vet

[placid portal]

Fun though

[radiant chasm]

Headtaker is just super reliable and does what vet needs rashad to do

Then decimator, and decap is just wild, imo only zealot can risk dcap

Cause they have duelist

[placid portal]

But sure as heck does wonders in hectic scenarios when juggling between fodder and elite specials

[wicked epoch]

this any good?

[jovial aurora]

average auric these days

They should seriously penalize early out

[wicked epoch]

chat

[mortal horizon]

its really tough bc they dont want to punish players who genuinly dc or crash, which happens all the time

but i really wish if you were down, and you dc. it full downs you. It would at least stop the achievement cheesers and most of the reason to leave and rejoin. It won't stop the people who quite when they go down tho

[marble mantle]

My game clip hasn’t uploaded yet so I’ll just write it out instead.

What range weapon should I go for next? I already have set up versions of bistol, bolter, helbore 2, assault shotty, lawbringer, slug shotty, heavy laspistol (starts with a k), and plasma gun. I mostly use weapon specialist so quicker swapping weapons are preferred, but if it’s fun I can usually make it work regardless.

[jovial aurora]

it's gotten sooo bad lately

[tame lodge]

Surgical Weight of Fire, good for killing Nurgle itself

[coral willow]

they lose plasteel but not like they are about it kek

[jovial aurora]

it used to be aurics were semi safe from this kinda trash but people either just don't care or they tryna get that ASS tag

[coral willow]

HIHG

wack time

[jovial aurora]

lmao

[coral willow]

auric had the least garbo teammates

now its kinda all the same

[marble mantle]

I mean honestly I just disagree with this. When these games can last upwards of like 30-45 minutes, I don’t want to be stuck in a game with a group of people that are actively slowing the game down, or griefing, or whatever.

[jovial aurora]

than don't pick the games top tier content?

[pastel yew]

nah I mean if people want out they should be able to quit

not a ranked game

its casual *shrug

also more often than not a bot is more useful than those players

[mortal horizon]

i said it above but the answer is simple. Simply have the game full kill you if you DC while downed. This will still let players who genuinly DC come back, and allow others to leave but it will stop most of the achievement griefing/cheesing which is the largest reason people leave imo.
Also make a full leave count as a death, so if you quit outright it resets your achievement.

These 2 things solve it

[pastel yew]

since it represents a chance for someone not bad to join

[marble mantle]

This is a bad answer

[jovial aurora]

lol

[marble mantle]

I don’t think you read what I said.

[coral willow]

i really just want a crime spree/deep dive kinda gamemode where you play maps in cdonsession until you lose

[marble mantle]

Why would I not pick top tier content because my teammates aren’t prepared for it?

[wicked epoch]

bet

[pastel yew]

also again... said it before... but if one or two bad players is making your games unplayable you probably aint that hot yourself

but we've all got room to grow

[marble mantle]

Hey I’m not saying I’m hot shit to be fair

[pastel yew]

more directed at the other dude

[marble mantle]

Ah okay

[jovial aurora]

it's entire teams lmao. people just leave when they go down cuz they're cheesing the penances

[coral willow]

indeed i have to predict that the guy would shoot the poxburster next to me when im clearly in melee distance and trying to push, my bad for not playing 5D chess

[pastel yew]

it's not a prediction if it's guaranteed, simple rule of darktide your pubs will always make the most stupid decision in the moment

so play around it and shoot the burster at a distance if pos

I've been burned by that one more times than I care to admit

[jovial aurora]

or. or... just have willfully terminating the game end any streaks for penances etc

[marble mantle]

Yeah this would be fine tbh

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I'm fine with that

doesn't really matter anymore given I assume anyone with A.S.S title is almost definitely cheating

[radiant chasm]

Tbf i blew up a teammate via pox burster but that is cause he sprinted full speed up to the burster as my shots were knocking the pox burster down and away

[coral willow]

as a proud owner of this auric is bad teammate sim rn
and normal is worse teammate sim

[pastel yew]

this leaver epidemic started with penances

[radiant chasm]

Like 2 days ago

[coral willow]

that happens too ye

[jovial aurora]

it's so bad. and the aurics are genuinely harder than they've ever been so having a cohesive team matters lol. i mean we can all say we can carry a match and stuff but at the end of the day teammates matter in the games current state

[coral willow]

i feel as auric's the same

[marble mantle]

I might finally get the revolvers on my vet, I’ve been hesitant because they’re so strong. But, like the plasma gun, they’ll probably just sit in my inventory lol

[coral willow]

just that bad teammates more starting to appear

[pastel yew]

I'm not good enough to solo auric damnation I think, I haven't tried but I don't think I'd be able to manage it

one like "fine" player and I think I'm good to win though

maybe I should start the solo grind

but then no plasteel

[marble mantle]

Nah, not me, I need a decent team. I’m not good enough to not have teamwork. I’ve been getting fucked up by trappers coming from multiple angles, especially with only one of them is giving sound cues.

[pastel yew]

do you wear headphones?

as there are some other sounds you can listen out for but

[marble mantle]

I don’t know how you could play without em

[jovial aurora]

ehhh the sound has been kinda bad lately

[pastel yew]

me either but some people do man

or play with music

[jovial aurora]

back to getting supressed by voice lines etc

[pastel yew]

I tried playing with music and felt like I was blind

[coral willow]

game self muting has been fixed and not

[marble mantle]

I can play with music but it’s always lower than the game

[pastel yew]

but trappers make like... a weird crackling sound too

they sound different

[coral willow]

i dont use headphones

and i sometimes use the what was it the

[pastel yew]

-_- why would you do that to yourself

[marble mantle]

😨

[coral willow]

one sided headphones that service senters use

[marble mantle]

😱

Actual hell

[coral willow]

its fine

[pastel yew]

there's masochism and then there's behaviour that makes me wanna grab the samaritans helpline number for you

[jovial aurora]

i genuinely rarely ever use headphones

like

[pastel yew]

good lord

[marble mantle]

Bunch of psychopaths

[shadow aurora]

I hate headphones they hurt my ears

[jovial aurora]

i'm a grown ass man at my own computer that i built lol. not gonna sit around with a headset on like i just came home from school

[pastel yew]

you guys are built different, audio is like 90% of this games information to me

it's 360 vision

I couldnt do it

[jovial aurora]

just have nice speakers lol

[shadow aurora]

I play on controller aswell

[pastel yew]

you'd need proper surround sound

[shadow aurora]

Im built different

Built stupid

[pastel yew]

built wrong

beat me to it

[marble mantle]

Oh right yeah just have em

[jovial aurora]

2 channel headphones are no more surround sound than just speakers lol

[marble mantle]

I’ll get right on that

🤯

[jovial aurora]

and most games don't even support non simulated surround

[marble mantle]

Wallet: ❌

[pastel yew]

I mean even if we use that example, 2 sources at 180 degrees is still superior to 2 sources slightly off to the sides infront of you

[coral willow]

sometimes i tend to use this for gaming

[pastel yew]

in terms of pinpointing audio theres no competition

[jovial aurora]

it's left and right bro

[marble mantle]

It’s cool tho I don’t wanna get speakers anyway, I don’t wanna keep my wife up while I play

[pastel yew]

I hope you play with open mic so everyone can hear you breathing constantly

[jovial aurora]

the rest is in your head

[pastel yew]

just to be spiteful

[coral willow]

i ususally put the mice upwards to my head then it cant pick up stuff

[pastel yew]

nah let em hear it

get blocked any%

[coral willow]

i use push to talk anyway

kek

[pastel yew]

sadge

[shadow aurora]

Got the fan on max too

[pastel yew]

I'm pretty lucky I have some very nice comfy headphones

I can hear a rats ass clench at 30m

[coral willow]

my gaming laptop is struggling so i have the fan on at max and that sometimes mutes out shit

[marble mantle]

Back in the day of people on Xbox using their connect for party chat

[pastel yew]

[jovial aurora]

headphones just aren't comfy to begin with

a comparitively nice degree of shit is still shit

[pastel yew]

depends on the headphones you have

[marble mantle]

I agree w that but I just shrimply do not have an alternative

I got piercings and glasses, headphones are never comfy

[pastel yew]

I think over the ear, earphones are nice

they just rest on your head

[jovial aurora]

having something on yo head will always be less comfy than not

[coral willow]

earbuds time

[jovial aurora]

they don't add a comfort bonus

[pastel yew]

depends on what you mean by comfort

[marble mantle]

It’s why I’m bald

[pastel yew]

like most 40k fans I'm autistic as hell

[marble mantle]

Samesies

[pastel yew]

so background noise can be a big distraction