veteran-class

[lusty sapphire]

It's a tac axe

It won't take long to stack

[thorn lark]

True. Unless it's a 7 and you're missing a light

[junior needle]

It depends on which one. 2 and 7 NEED brutal bruiser breakpoints for performance

4 is a light spammer that doesn't really use brutal

But the 2 and 7 just end up being rashad but worse

And also a bit more particular about stats

[hollow warren]

is this salvageable?

I don't know anything about tac axes though

[thorn lark]

I know I know. I am a taxe enjoyer.

[junior needle]

You light spam for literally everything with the 4

[thorn lark]

In terms of DMG yeah. But god the mobility is soooo much better

[junior needle]

Change all or nothing to headtaker at the very least

Then you can choose to swap spec for something else or go deci/shred instead of brutal

I'm not sure if hitting bruiser breakpoints on t4 lights is possible without multiple on ult damage boosts active

But generally speaking you won't reasonably hit them without very serious and likely impractical juice, and so brutal is much less effective on that variant

[lusty sapphire]

I think ranged specialist and crit build is the way to go for boltpistol

[winter grove]

HT shred

[junior needle]

HT shred is good

Decimator is also an option instead of shred but uh

[winter grove]

But yeah

Don't do that

Crits on 4 tend to do way more damage than HT Deci could stack

And missing is a common thing for mk4 because of light spam

So deci stacks just die

[twilit goblet]

What should I change on this XV evis

20%+ flak damage

+1.5 stam

Shred 3 and bloodthirsty 4

[winter grove]

Imagine if we could get aquilas from heretic idols

[winter grove]

Uhhhh

Honestly not sure at all

We're not exactly zealot players here

[twilit goblet]

Fuck me I went into the wrong channel

[winter grove]

Keep flak for sure tho

[last parcel]

well if you insist

[twilit goblet]

Lol

[winter grove]

Happens to the best of us

Once I went to ogryn channel to ask for vet advices

TWICE

"Why is everyone so quiet"

• a clueless ass

[last parcel]

[uncut pebble]

trying to countershoot with a mk12 lasgun on a marksman's focus build
the psyker mag dumps a ciag in the general direction of the enemies, forcing them to take cover so I can't shoot them, then does nothing to capitalize on it
this happens several times

[marble mantle]

Is no respite bad on helbore 1

[lyric dock]

Yeah

[marble mantle]

Rip

[last parcel]

not if you go bayonet only

[atomic zephyr]

damn its infuriating being told "learn to veteran, welcome to auric" when i already have the auric commendation medal or whatever its called

[faint beacon]

The only thing that'll drive me up a wall in Aurics is when your team actively ignores downs, even when the coast is clear

[scarlet path]

Always been a combat axe enjoyer myself

[lyric dock]

Or not focus on specials like bombers

[faint beacon]

the 4 Tox bombers carpet bombing the map and for some ungodly reason they just ignore them

[marble mantle]

How is this so far?

[uncut pebble]

I'm gonna be real, I'm ignoring downs until I make sure everything that could be a problem is dead.

I am not touching you if I hear a mutant or the tick-tick-tick of a flamer spawning.

It's just not worth it.

For 1, I'm going to take massive damage from that, and 2, in aurics, it's likely that picking someone up will leave them at half hp, so they're likely to die as soon as they stand up.

[lyric dock]

I'll attempt the revive if it feels safe and within reason to do so. I ain't gonna attempt to revive you if my shout for example is on cool down just so I have my "Oh shit" button in the event something happens

[uncut pebble]

Pretty good, imo. I'd take dumdum for your other blessing.

[marble mantle]

Bet, thanks!

[atomic zephyr]

yeah same
dude was giving me shit because i wasnt instantly annihilating all shooters in my sightline while also dealin with ragers on my ass
im not that good at the game unfortunately

like, boy i'd LIKE to shoot the three snipers aiming at me but im at 0 stamina and no dodges left

[lyric dock]

Maybe help the vet out with the 4 ragers on their ass instead of running off to deal with the patrolling group of enemies

[faint beacon]

Basically what happened with me was the unavoidable death combo of Bomber + CS grab

[atomic zephyr]

im not great at positioning as is
how do i improve at it anyway

[uncut pebble]

This is gonna sound silly, but use your ears.

[faint beacon]

Locate cover and stick to it

[uncut pebble]

Listening for enemies is just as important as not getting hit.

[faint beacon]

and literally listen for any sound ques that are gun related

[uncut pebble]

If you hear a deep voice yell "OPENING UP", that's a scab gunner and someone is about to get reduced to swiss cheese.

I know bulwarks say "NO STOPPING ME" as well.

[faint beacon]

Or you hear "SILENCE THE BLASPHEMERS!" thats a Dreg gunner also going to do the same thing

[uncut pebble]

Hearing these things allow you to address the situation based off of sound cues and map knowledge without having to directly see the specialist or elite in question.

[faint beacon]

honestly look up Voicelines of the elite enemies

just to get yourself familiar with them

[uncut pebble]

So like, if you hear some wack ass voice line, that's definitely an elite or specialist that has seen someone and is about to become a problem.

You, as whatever class you are, also have to take stock of who is using what weapons.

If you see a marty zealout with a crusher, it's a good idea to have them in front of you.

Typically you want ogryns in front, then zealouts, then vets, then psykers.

But this is all dependent on elite spawns, specialist spawns, and loadouts.

You could have your zealout in front of your ogryn if the ogryn is a glugger, for example.

Or the zealout could be using a stealth setup with a knife and not be part of this formation at all.

[midnight totem]

you could just spin too

https://tenor.com/view/league-of-legends-league-spin-spinning-garen-gif-14025624

[faint beacon]

Honestly I think a thing people will sleep on also

[midnight totem]

keep them ALL AT BAY

[uncut pebble]

I'm just referring to positioning for this argument.

[faint beacon]

is the fact there is a very specific sound que that will play over and over

when there's an Elite horde patroling

[midnight totem]

I'm just memeing and wanted to use garen's spin

[uncut pebble]

Oh yeah the marching cue.

[faint beacon]

Its that and it has a very loud metal clanging together basically to give off the sound of equipment

its really damn important and has saved me from surprise Dreg Rager tides

[marble mantle]

: (

Gift from the emperor : (

[faint beacon]

39% Defences

weeps

[last parcel]

kill them all

[faint beacon]

take headtaker off it

[marble mantle]

Yeah

[last parcel]

no enemies = no need for defense

[marble mantle]

Real

[dawn garnet]

you have headtaker 4 now

[marble mantle]

And my knife just got bricked too : (

[atomic zephyr]

oh yeah ive got the voiceline part down, i hear "ESTABLISHING FIREZONE" in my dreams
my main problem is that i magically find myself on the opposite side of the room from my team way too often

[marble mantle]

Game is making me feel the Womp Womp today

Fr

Oh

[faint beacon]

try to stick near them just by paying attention to your surroundings, it doesn't hurt to split into groups of two just stay with at least 1 person for Coherency buffs and Toughness regen

[atomic zephyr]

guess ill just have to practice

[marble mantle]

I wish I could test how the other voices sound with my rebreather before I switch to the other voices

[atomic zephyr]

I end up just hyperfocusing on killing individual targets and then dying lmao

[marble mantle]

Exthpenthive

[shadow aurora]

What dclaw is best against super heavy armor?

[last parcel]

the one with a krak grenade taped at the end

[shadow aurora]

That one really hurts my hand when i use it thooo

[last parcel]

that’s what trainin’s for

[marble mantle]

Wait which combat blade do I want again?

[last parcel]

change can only come from within
vi

[marble mantle]

What

Okay

[terse idol]

None

[marble mantle]

Thanks philosopher

[terse idol]

They have bad carapace damage

But hey

You can perfect parry crushers

[faint beacon]

Parrying the living hell out of the opposition

[shadow aurora]

Yeah but which one is the least shit

[faint beacon]

thats the best part of it

For Vet or Zealot?

[terse idol]

Uh

I think they're all the same lmao

But I dunno

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-gif-18148683

[terse idol]

I just chose the dclaw with a good moveset

[marble mantle]

This game about to make me poop my pants I stg

[terse idol]

Dc4

[faint beacon]

IIRC the Mk4 had the easier horde clear combo

yeah

[marble mantle]

51% mobility 😭

[shadow aurora]

Fatshark needs to add a parry weapon with insane armor pen

[terse idol]

No

[faint beacon]

Dear god no

[terse idol]

Gonna power creep the dclaw

[shadow aurora]

I will not be happy until i can parry a crusher overhead and smack them

And deal 1/5 there health

[faint beacon]

I mean you can just, patience

[shadow aurora]

No

[hidden timber]

Good blessings & perks on the new shock maul?

[marble mantle]

High Voltage, Skullcrusher and some ppl have been taking the timed blocks one I don’t remember what it’s called

HV is mandatory I think though

Idk why you wouldn’t, gives you a buff against anything electrocuted including smited enemies

Just waiting for a shock nade

Worth the buy?

[uncut pebble]

If you like the model, yeah.

[marble mantle]

Haven’t tried it

[uncut pebble]

Personally, I don't so I wouldn't buy it.

But you do you.

[uncut pebble]

Lightning reflexes is the blessing for timed blocks.

[uncut pebble]

Iirc, heavy attacks electrocute enemies, so it isn't just smited enemies and enemies you press the special on.

Skullcrusher and high voltage are definitely the top picks for shock mauls, though.

If you're just talking raw damage, that is.

[shadow marsh]

What should i adjust?

[terse idol]

Don't take the 12
Jokes aside uh

It's a little fucked

You need to swap Between the eyes for Deadly accurate

Unyielding and weakspot damage are both ass but you may just want to bite the bullet and swap unyielding for Flak

[uncut pebble]

Or ghost.

[terse idol]

For the 12 just DA

If you can get DA put DA imo

Ghost is okie

[uncut pebble]

I like ghost just for the target reacquisition after I drop a target.

Immune to damage until I line up another headshot.

[meager sonnet]

any excuetioner stance hellbore build recommendations

[uncut pebble]

You can run a helbore just fine without exe stance.

[shadow aurora]

Take shovel

[uncut pebble]

I don't even think it needs it, tbh.

[meager sonnet]

based

[uncut pebble]

You're gonna be 1shotting both types of gunners easily and you can poke ragers to make them stop attacking you.

[marble mantle]

Sure but it’s fun

[terse idol]

You really don't need exe

It ain't a nerd emojii moment I'd go as far as to say you're giving up part of exes benefits with a helbore

[meager sonnet]

i used to have a hellbore build with the exe stance i was taking out bosses like nothing but that was before the talent tree update

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, helbore isn't for boss damage anymore.

[terse idol]

Well helbore was for boss damage when the bayonett like 10 shot a BoN

[uncut pebble]

You'd be better off, honestly, grabbing a normal autogun with dumdum and just mag dumping their weakspot.

[shadow aurora]

When it comes to ability choice just take whats fun

[terse idol]

Exe isn't fun

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-27442765

[terse idol]

This is coming from myself

[uncut pebble]

I'm just saying exe stance isn't necessary for the damage you're dealing with a helbore.

[terse idol]

Exe MF main

With an ilas

[shadow aurora]

I disagree heavily as fun is subjective

[marble mantle]

Hey this guy decided what’s fun gang up on him

[terse idol]

I mean I think exe mf for ilas is fun

Not so much for something like a helbore

[uncut pebble]

Nah its 2v2, exe stance isn't fun.

[shadow aurora]

I find exe to be the most engaging of vets abilities

[marble mantle]

This guy too

[terse idol]

Which already has high alpha strike

[marble mantle]

You’re getting farted on

[uncut pebble]

You use exe stance to make better use of weaker ranged weapons.

[terse idol]

And you're typically running like, weighted fire or surgical

[shadow aurora]

FART ON THIS MAN

[uncut pebble]

It does not provide any more benefit to you than using voc or infiltrate.

Which, both make up for the weaker melee capabilities of vet.

[terse idol]

If you're using it for like highest alpha damage on first strike infil is your best bet

[marble mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fart-gif-937849383679564977

Get farted on minmaxers

[hollow ibex]

yes pls

i love sniffing farts

[meager sonnet]

well any recommendations is suck at making my own builds

[shadow aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-level-gif-6250973632100210017

[marble mantle]

😨

[hollow ibex]

big ogryn fart clouds 😋

[uncut pebble]

Just run a basic voc build and grab some talents for ranged damage.

[faint beacon]

I come back to Vet chat bullying Smudgels what Happened

[marble mantle]

😱

[uncut pebble]

You'll be shoring up vet's weak melee capabilities while buffing your helbore a bit.

[marble mantle]

Crimes against fun

[uncut pebble]

The issue with using helbore is what melee weapon to pair with it and having a good rolled helbore to begin with.

[shadow aurora]

Man asked for a helbore exe build and these assorted DWEEBS are telling him not to

[uncut pebble]

I believe the best perks are carapace/unarmored and blessings are weight of fire/surgical.

[terse idol]

It just ain't min maxing

It's an opniiooon

[uncut pebble]

Just be aware that your damage perks also affect your bayonet.

[marble mantle]

Well my opinion is Nuh uh

[faint beacon]

To not run Exe on HB?

[uncut pebble]

You may want maniac over carpaace.

[terse idol]

Like if you want to be weird

Agile engagement appearently procs

With the bayonett

[shadow aurora]

My opinion and my opinion alone is the correct one

[uncut pebble]

It does.

[marble mantle]

That ain’t weird it’s based

Good too

[uncut pebble]

You are insane.

[shadow aurora]

Guh

[faint beacon]

Cause I mean like yeah they have a point of not really needing to run Exe on HB just cause it alone already hits good breakpoints

[uncut pebble]

Let power swords with pc4 not be calculated in this.

[terse idol]

I just think you don't run HB because you're not like gaining BP's from it

[uncut pebble]

And then tell me again that vet has the best melee.

[faint beacon]

But there’s no shame in running Exe

[marble mantle]

Yeah sure but fun

[shadow aurora]

Yeah psword is clearly overtuned outside that vet is outclassed by zealot

[uncut pebble]

Yeah you're definitely insane.

[terse idol]

Like I'm gonna lose my mind cause I know yall are joking

[shadow aurora]

Youre insane get out

[uncut pebble]

Oh, combat axes? You mean the weapon class everyone can use?

[marble mantle]

You’re gonna say rashad and it’s gonna make me frown

[terse idol]

Rashad

[uncut pebble]

So like, I can run caxes on my zealout, who also has really good melee?

[faint beacon]

No I am 100% serious and you’re going to burst into a cloud of confetti

[uncut pebble]

Big thinking right here.

[terse idol]

[shadow aurora]

Get this TROLL OUT OF HERE

[marble mantle]

Oh yeah I’m def joking

Fuck it run whatever you want tho

[uncut pebble]

Damage, sure, but you're forgetting one teensy little thing...

[terse idol]

Azreal does alot of testing so like

[marble mantle]

Life is too short to not do things you want to do

[uncut pebble]

Vet has like zero talents that help them outside of raw damage.

[radiant chasm]

what lol

zealot caxe builds literally one tap shotgunners and ragers

[uncut pebble]

Zealout has huge talents that significantly increase survivability in melee.

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/look-out-incoming-clone-troopers-star-wars-the-bad-batch-be-careful-everyone-watch-out-everyone-gif-15456826116843132267

[terse idol]

Vet has VOC

[marble mantle]

That’s me when I’m abt to fart on chat

[uncut pebble]

Second wind alone makes zealout melee better than anything you can throw at me for vet.

[astral ingot]

And iron will

[terse idol]

Chorus is a long channel

[astral ingot]

Iron will is stupid

[radiant chasm]

that and ironwill

[terse idol]

Like if we're talking about survivability like Vet is dumb

And still has ways to deal damage

[uncut pebble]

I don't think you can throw actual abilities out there because abilities serve different purposes.

[terse idol]

AND reset voc

[radiant chasm]

like, veterans have to go unarmored perk

zealots don't need to for rashad

[terse idol]

I mean veg also has like the top row of toughness regen

[radiant chasm]

we can go flak maniac

[faint beacon]

Waiting for VOC to get nerfed day 150

[uncut pebble]

You can't compare voc to chorus because voc is "get stuck in" while chorus is "save my fucking dog ass team."

[shadow aurora]

Vet needs to be nerfed in general

[terse idol]

People sleep on it but MF, + the talent that gives you % extra toughness on kill + elites give toughness like

[marble mantle]

Don’t say that they’re gonna listen 😭

[terse idol]

It's alotta toughness

[uncut pebble]

You have never played with a good zealout and it shows.

[faint beacon]

Born leader also

[marble mantle]

Why do you keep saying zealout

[terse idol]

Azreal is a good zealot

[uncut pebble]

I count 3 eviscerator revs before a boss dies.

[shadow aurora]

"PLEASE saint steven save these sub lvl100s im almost at 10 games no downs"

[faint beacon]

So you’re generating even more toughness for your team

[terse idol]

🥺

[astral ingot]

Because zealots are LOUTS

[shadow aurora]

Lah lah lah lah lah i cant hear you

[marble mantle]

Ohh

[astral ingot]

Bring back chastise armor stripping

[marble mantle]

🤯

[astral ingot]

😢

[uncut pebble]

Yes, HE might be a good zealout, but it seems, based on what he's saying that he's never played with one that is worth their salt.

[elder fiber]

I'm cool with cdr for the other ults but voc absolutely shouldn't have access to cdr

[terse idol]

Vet has a higher skill ceiling hence

[terse idol]

He

He is the one worth the salt

[shadow aurora]

What????

[marble mantle]

Make chastise force the crushers take off their armor

[shadow aurora]

Vet is the most brain dead class wtf you jabbering about

[marble mantle]

Manually

[shadow aurora]

Its my most played class id know

[terse idol]

Like Azreal posts dps videos on zealot in zealot channel like

[uncut pebble]

Ayo?????

[terse idol]

He's well seasoned

[terse idol]

Wtf no

[shadow aurora]

And oil up

[faint beacon]

I genuinely think it’s a combo of Zealot being weak from certain talents that need tweaks or reworks and Veteran having a handful of things that need nerfs

VOC is the biggest example

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I'm not arguing that, I'm just saying the zealouts he's queueing with aren't worth their salt.

[shadow aurora]

This sounds like cope

[terse idol]

Zealot definetly is
Jokes aside, leveling vet.
Pure pain
Not running VOC

Eh

[marble mantle]

Exactly

[uncut pebble]

Zealout literally has free boss damage talents and he's outdamaging them?

[terse idol]

Vet has free boss damage talents too

And weak point talents

I mean "free"

[faint beacon]

“bring it down”

[terse idol]

Free as, yeah you gotta take the talents

[faint beacon]

Also does Ogryn damage

[uncut pebble]

Idk... I have no issues beating bosses to a bloody pulp without my teammates attempting to help me.

[faint beacon]

It seriously needs a nerf

[shadow aurora]

A zealot built for melee will out damage a vet built for melee ignoring psword end of discussion

[terse idol]

Vet can too

[uncut pebble]

I have a crusher and I count 6 stacks of marty.

I cast bonk.

[terse idol]

Why need marty when you can just be at full health and not need to run wounds

that's marty right

I forgor

[uncut pebble]

I like almost 50% free damage against everything.

[marble mantle]

😨

[terse idol]

Yeah when you have to

Let yourself get hit

[uncut pebble]

6 wounds lost is 48% damage bonus.

[marble mantle]

Give vet Thunder hammer ‼️‼️ I want the SOUND

[faint beacon]

And be at near death 24/7

[terse idol]

And then also run accompanying wound curio

[uncut pebble]

Oh I don't let myself get hit.

I just take chip damage in melee and refuse medicae.

[terse idol]

Then you're not running 50%

[faint beacon]

Martyr unironically is more skilled that’s the truth

[astral ingot]

Give zealot the flamer eviserator from necromunda

[terse idol]

For most players like us

It's like 10%

[marble mantle]

TZZT

[terse idol]

Because we don't get hit

[uncut pebble]

Again, I'm not letting myself be hit.

Chip damage in melee is unavoidable. That's just a fact.

[terse idol]

I know

[shadow aurora]

Where tf yall at in my pubs???

[terse idol]

Again that's what I'm saying

[uncut pebble]

You are going to get hit no matter what.

[faint beacon]

Blocking?

[terse idol]

Well

It depends

[uncut pebble]

I just refuse medicae so my teammates get it.

[marble mantle]

They’re the ones that join after you leave

[terse idol]

You can very well go half the mission and take 5 damage

[faint beacon]

Like blocking is a mechanic

[astral ingot]

I cast silent reaper patrol

[terse idol]

And then suddenly take all the damage and lose the mission

Lmao

[uncut pebble]

You're either lying or literally possessed by the emperor himself.

[terse idol]

Azreal is seasoned

Like, you should check out his media tab

On discord

He's got the montreal chicken seasoning

[uncut pebble]

Can't block when you get 9 enemies hit your guard at the same time. Instant guard break and you go down.

[terse idol]

I mean

If you have enough stamina

Or just use a shove

[uncut pebble]

I don't have enough stamina.

[terse idol]

Or have block eff

[uncut pebble]

I do shove, though.

Yeah I agree, blocking is weird.

[pallid jetty]

my vet is lvl 400, what fun builds are there, that i can try?

[terse idol]

I don't mind blocking sometimes, I usually don't block chaff

[uncut pebble]

Just start off as the attacker by pushing them or dodging.

[faint beacon]

Didn't even realize I hit it finally

[pallid jetty]

tried

[shadow aurora]

I never find myself blocking just push and backpedal

[faint beacon]

I officially have no life on this game

[shadow aurora]

Blocking is a good way to fuck yourself over

[terse idol]

Sometimes I just run a negative on stamina until my brain factory resets

[faint beacon]

You'd be suprised

[uncut pebble]

So yeah, no blocking means you're eventually going to get hit.

[minor copper]

A Beer worthy of a corpsmen of Krieg !

[terse idol]

Sometimes you gottaaa Block the rager

[faint beacon]

I've had to get staggered a few times

[terse idol]

When they magnetize

[faint beacon]

to avoid a WAY worse fate

[radiant chasm]

been looking at my scoreboards i literally have 0 block games

[terse idol]

Dats craaay

[faint beacon]

bro I usually go 10+

[terse idol]

I should get a scoreboard to check how much I'm actually blocking

[faint beacon]

mainly cause im dodging more but like

[radiant chasm]

and like, the highest i got from skimming

[uncut pebble]

The 8 human blenders that are dreg ragers slowly orbiting me until I become a blended puddle of corpse starch.

[radiant chasm]

was like 14

[faint beacon]

Blocks are still good lmao

[shadow aurora]

Yeah but you want to get away asap

[terse idol]

Yeah

[radiant chasm]

there isn't a lot of things you can block that you can't dodge/stagger

[candid agate]

this infantry gun is a beauty

[terse idol]

Sounds like a sk

[shadow aurora]

Blocking is the "oh shit im out of dodges" button

[terse idol]

I'm joking

But like, if you're not blocking

[uncut pebble]

The only thing I really ever block are crushers or maulers, and that's only on their non-overhead attacks.

[terse idol]

You're generating toughness via melee

Or just

Killing hordes

[uncut pebble]

Chip damage still goes through toughness.

[faint beacon]

Pushing gives you a second to breath as well

[terse idol]

Depends on the amount of toughness you have, like

[uncut pebble]

I run a momentum eviscerator on my marty build, I think I've got toughness covered.

[terse idol]

It's chip damage on melee

And sometimes that chip damage is

2

Or 5

[uncut pebble]

And I have max wounds.

[candid agate]

may i ask what axe build that is? i want it now

[terse idol]

Then chip damage isn't actually affecting you as much

[uncut pebble]

That small bit of chip damage is enough to give me a stack of marty.

[terse idol]

Honestly with that build I'd purposefully get hit so I can get the max damage

[faint beacon]

Martyr maxxing

[uncut pebble]

So I just avoid healing and rock on with core skills, getting stronger as I take more and more damage.

[terse idol]

Oh this also brings back the 2nd point why Marty is bad

[shadow aurora]

Momentum with max wounds?

[terse idol]

Healing stims

Bad

With more wounds

[uncut pebble]

Yes.

I don't use them.

Celerity or combat stims are far better for marty.

[terse idol]

It's just a mark against marty suffice it to say

[uncut pebble]

They should really change them to do 1 wound or 25% hp, depending on whichever is higher.

Would make it worth using on a marty zealout.

[faint beacon]

I dont understand why one would run max wounds on anything other than Martyr, like you can get more Health or Toughness via Curious to make up for the wounds

[shadow aurora]

Meh youre always giving those to your teammates anyways if youre in pubs

[faint beacon]

like if you're a good player you shouldn't be going down in general

[terse idol]

It should probably heal an amount of wounds based on max wounds or 25% HP or something

[uncut pebble]

I mean, it does 1 full wound right now.

[terse idol]

Healing 1 wound on max wound curios

Sucks

[uncut pebble]

It just doesn't take into consideration how large a wound actually is.

[faint beacon]

1/5-7

yeah its not worth it

[terse idol]

Waiit you're right

[uncut pebble]

Like, just for the sake of the argument and for nice round numbers, let's say you have 100hp.

No wound bonuses in damnation means you have 50hp per wound, at 2 wounds.

Max wound marty zealout has 7 wounds total, so thats roughly 14hp per wound.

(again, assuming 100hp for nice round numbers)

[candid agate]

damn thats really similar to the build im using rn, same ability and keystone

[terse idol]

I guess 25% or 1 max wound whichever the higher value would be worth it, but then the stim would always heal 25% in theory

Unless I'm bad at math

Like 1.5 wound healed

Assuming only 100 base HP and max wound curios

[uncut pebble]

That depends entirely on the amount of wounds the character has and the total hp % they have.

Ogryn has what, 300hp base?

And 3 wounds in damnation?

[faint beacon]

Mhm

[uncut pebble]

So healing 1 wound would be more beneficial to them than 25% hp.

[terse idol]

[uncut pebble]

1 wound is 100hp, 25% would be 75hp.

[marble mantle]

Why do you run kraks?

Curious

Can you elaborate?

Oh okay

[uncut pebble]

I don't know how %hp bonus curios work, like if they're additive, only affect base hp, or whatever, so I can't tell you exactly how it would work, but it would probably mean an ogryn with at least 35%hp bonus would likely benefit more from 25% healing than 1 wound.

[marble mantle]

Im still learning vet

But bet thanks

Oh damn

[uncut pebble]

Assuming that it's determined solely off of base hp, 35% (1 curio of 20%, 3 curio modifiers of 5%), 25% hp would go from 75 to 135, and that's more than 1 wound of hp for an ogryn.

[marble mantle]

What range weps do you run with this?

Yeahhh

Oh sweet

[terse idol]

I thought it was always the base value

[marble mantle]

This is exactly what I wanted then

[uncut pebble]

I just don't like frags because my teammates clear out hordes before I get value out of them.

[terse idol]

I thought they removed rending off shredder, or was that another different change?

[terse idol]

I think the CC it offers is more than valuable

[uncut pebble]

Between either running frags with an extra grenade and having to drop 2 grenades to kill off elites or running kraks and having free 1shots on maulers and ogryns as well as free boss damage... I think I'll take kraks.

[terse idol]

Krak grenades when-

[uncut pebble]

The fotf zealout running into a crusher that I just stuck with a krak:

[sullen scarab]

Oh man I just rolled this, swap reload speed for Maniac, Dead Accurate for Puncture?

[terse idol]

This is why I undervalued krak, but bulwarks having less stagger is making krak pretty hot

Oh yeah close crusher hordes vs krak is very satisfying

[shadow aurora]

Kraks have always been my go to i just dont like shredders for whatever reason

[uncut pebble]

Idk how it's calculated, I just assumed that's how it's calculated because the bonuses being additive would get a little silly on ogryns.

[shadow aurora]

Having a a button i can press whenever a crusher displeases me is fun

[gilded rock]

I feel like bloodletter is slept on, it helps with a couple of nice BPs and is good confirmed damage when you're being pressured by too many enemies to get a rip off

(on chord)

[uncut pebble]

Bloodletter would be really good if it didn't require revving to have value.

Like, a couple bleed stacks on crit would make it more worthwhile for the blessing slot it takes up.

[terse idol]

Oh yeah, iirc it is based on the base valur

And then diminishing returns with the same

[gilded rock]

Coming from thunder hammers the rev feels extremely servicable and quick

The first chord in the game, forget what mark it is

[uncut pebble]

Mk4.

[shadow aurora]

Eh even then you can just take bleed on melee. It could be good on wep specialist tho

[uncut pebble]

I was saying for all classes.

[shadow aurora]

Oh

[uncut pebble]

If it did some bleed on crit it would be significantly more useful for both zealout and psyker.

[gilded rock]

Does anyone know if the bleed from bloodletter stacks with itself?

[shadow aurora]

If it worked like that for psyker yeah thatd be really good

[gilded rock]

I would assume so

[shadow aurora]

And piety zealots too

[marble mantle]

Does indig shock maul 3 have any significant break points that I should be working towards?

It’s kinda my favorite melee rn

Oh okay bet, thanks!

[uncut pebble]

Probably rending strikes and bring it down.

Maybe superiority complex?

[marble mantle]

So unyielding wouldn’t do the job?

For some reason I thought crushers were

Okay!

Will change

[uncut pebble]

Unyielding is only the fleshy bits on bulwarks and reapers, and then bosses.

[shadow aurora]

Crushers are full body carap

[marble mantle]

Should I Cara or elite, in y’all opinion?

[uncut pebble]

What's your other perk?

[marble mantle]

Flak

[uncut pebble]

And would elite help you hit a breakpoint you otherwise wouldn't hit?

[marble mantle]

Skullcrusher and HV

[uncut pebble]

Also yeah, your blessings are very important.

[marble mantle]

Both 4

[uncut pebble]

Pog.

Anyway, deciding between elite and cara depends on whether or not you'd hit a bp you otherwise wouldn't hit.

Like, flak rager 1shot or something.

[marble mantle]

Right, so carapace probably?

[uncut pebble]

(if that's even possible, I'm just throwing out a random bp)

[marble mantle]

Since it’s just, well, more

[uncut pebble]

^

[marble mantle]

Okie dokie thanks for the help!

[uncut pebble]

I would check to see if anything is close to dying before changing anything.

Shotgunners and whatnot..

I use the agni variant because I prefer its moveset and I 1tap headshot both types of shotgunners.

Very satisfying.

[marble mantle]

I prefer the indig move set tbh

[shadow aurora]

Take carap and unyielding on everything and youll always be meeting breakpoints

[uncut pebble]

More power to you.

I mean, for chaff clear, it's pretty ok.

But I like it for the strikedown portion.

I slap a rager's stupid head down through his ass in 4 hits and it's quite funny.

Yeah that's a valid criticism, but I'm sticking with my agni.

I also like the agni for the push attack > heavy > light for cc.

Basically uppercut something into two broad horizontal strokes.

[marble mantle]

I like that the push attack for the indig is a sweep, nice for clearing for me

[uncut pebble]

Be a man and fistfight the plogryn.

Real talk, though, I don't much care about the damage I'm dealing vs a boss unless it's a chaos spawn.

[marble mantle]

I run a lot of shotguns, bistol, and bolter, some quicker than others, but usually do the trick

[uncut pebble]

Plogryns are laughably easy to deal with and burgles are just stage hazards that positioning is more important on.

[abstract kiln]

Best combat knife 3 or 4?

[uncut pebble]

I have a lot more trouble fighting chaos spawn.

[abstract kiln]

Pros and cons

[uncut pebble]

Hell no.

[tall torrent]

Mk6 (VI)

[umbral scaffold]

chaos spawn is more unpredictable

[shadow aurora]

Beasts feel so ungratifyingly boring to fight

[uncut pebble]

I would rather fight 4 plogryns throughout the level, by myself, than have to fight a single chaos spawn.

[shadow aurora]

All the bosses are fun to fight in melee and range but melee bon is not fun

[uncut pebble]

"Rng moveset"???

It's so telegraphed though.

[abstract kiln]

Ah ok ty

[uncut pebble]

He's got like 4 attacks and it's very easy to tell what is what.

[tall torrent]

He means u can’t force plague ogryn to always to overhead like chaos spawn

[uncut pebble]

Why is that a problem with plogryns then?

Like, it's easily telegraphed and dodgable.

That doesn't make them harder, though.

That still doesn't make them harder.

"I can't exploit a plogryn, so that makes it harder to fight." is what you're saying.

[gilded rock]

I think I remember one time hitting a crusher in the crack of his neck under his helmet and it being unyielding or at least doing more damage

[uncut pebble]

Like... I'm pretty sure that's a wack ass take.

You exploit spawns, I do not.

That's why you view it as easy.

[shadow aurora]

Ive hit them there and the carapace noise hasn't played but idk

[umbral scaffold]

playing low level matches with low levels kinda sucks switching characters :/
i think i took the teamwork in damnation for granted

[shadow aurora]

Even if it isnt carap itd probably be hard to pull of consistently

[uncut pebble]

If you can't see it the way I do, then it can't be explained to you.

Like, I've explained it as best I can and it still doesn't make sense.

[shadow aurora]

Personally i have a harder time fighting spawn too theyre really quick plogryns are just bumbling morons

[pastel yew]

chaos spawns not that bad

[uncut pebble]

I'm neither standing still or face tanking so I don't know where you're pulling that from, but go off, I guess.

[pastel yew]

their move set is pretty simple when you actually look at it

[gilded rock]

Dude playing a challenge run character in 3s and 4s makes me value full builds so much more because gunner and shooter rooms will REAM you and your toughness regen is nothing if you haven't unlocked anything for it because the game isn't constantly throwing you toughness replenishment health kits in the form of trash mobs while you're advancing

[pastel yew]

theres a mod that lets you spawn stuff called creature spawner (spawn in psykanium)

try it out and lab the boss

it's just hard because in the moment theres a lot more going on you can't fully focus and isolate what they're doing

[uncut pebble]

For once, I think I'd rather remain mediocre.

[pastel yew]

your choice

[shadow aurora]

Xbox

:(

[uncut pebble]

That's a lot of work to put into a controlled environment, practicing skills that won't help me in an actual pub.

[pastel yew]

L platform shafted again

[shadow aurora]

Real

[uncut pebble]

Especially considering there's always someone with a boss nuking build.

[pastel yew]

the lack of modability on console games is so fucked up

[pastel yew]

its like 10 minutes and will help you a lot

[shadow aurora]

And we have to pay for internet too

[uncut pebble]

Some zealout with a thammer fotf build is gonna 2 tap the mf before I get a chance to lay eyes on it.

[marble mantle]

You too?

[shadow aurora]

We are an endangered species

[pastel yew]

I think the chaos spawn only has 3?

combos

maybe 4

[marble mantle]

Yes we need to be cherished and protected

Observed

[pastel yew]

yeah

[uncut pebble]

I never claimed to be a "good player," I will always self-deprecate instead. Don't put words in my mouth.

[pastel yew]

and each is super visually distinct like theres no way to confuse them when you know what's going on

[lyric dock]

Bosses are really giant "Focus on me" targets and allows the disablers and deniers tocause a lot of havoc

[gilded rock]

1 tap if it's shroudfield

[uncut pebble]

And I refuse to practice skills in a controlled environment where there's no obstacles or cover or teammates for things to pay attention to.

[pastel yew]

yeah pretty much

honestly the worst boss is the fucking slug

[uncut pebble]

That's far too much work.

[pastel yew]

I hate him. I hate him so much.

[lyric dock]

Fuck BoN

[marble mantle]

What, you don’t like “blehhhhhh”

[shadow aurora]

SAME

HOLY SHIT

[lyric dock]

The funny anti-melee boss

[uncut pebble]

That, we can agree on.

Burgles are awful.

[shadow aurora]

I hate bon

[gilded rock]

But me personally I never see people with boss nuke weapons, I'm glad to be part of the minority

[pastel yew]

no. I hate it. I hate it so much. I only feel hate.

but yeah he's real annoying

he's also the worst to solo

[gilded rock]

When I'm in a godawful annoying ass horrible game design competition and my opponent is BoN

[uncut pebble]

I've been running an aiag on both my vet and zealout and I just nuke the mf from behind, though.

The issue is getting behind it.

[pastel yew]

I decided once to run a build with bad boss damage.... that same game we had a zealot speedrun ahead leaving team, the other two fucking died so I was left to solo horde and slug

never again

[marble mantle]

I wish they would’ve made the event longer

[pastel yew]

never ever again

[marble mantle]

I’m using the new weps so much

[gilded rock]

(he has puked six times while I was writing that sentence)

[lyric dock]

BoN 8/10 times is gonna remove basically 1 player from the team

[shadow aurora]

What difficulty you play on?

[pastel yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959659611475042335/1121295121774809149/Vore_citation.gif

[lyric dock]

Damnation

[shadow aurora]

Auric?

[uncut pebble]

My team ditching me the moment the burgle pays attention to me: (I will be vored and carried away to die)

[lyric dock]

Mix of Auric and normal

[pastel yew]

for those that don't know (even if its common knowledge)

he can only vore you if you have puke stacks

[gilded rock]

I think it's a good design especially because it encourages more than one person to interact with it, it's just the puke spam that gets on my nerves

[lyric dock]

It's either the Zealot or Ogryn that gets consumed by the funny Slug

[pastel yew]

so dont let him vom on you

and if he does, leg it

[shadow aurora]

I play on auric damnation and people usually take a bit of corruption but i cant remember the last time someone straight up died to bonbon

[uncut pebble]

I did not actually know that he had a prerequisite to voring you.

[lyric dock]

Bubble Psyker just shits on the boss

[pastel yew]

yeah it's not explained anywhere (like half the things in the fucking game )

[lyric dock]

If you have a Bubble psyker. BoN is basically free

[pastel yew]

trueeeee bubble psyker is to the bon what bon is to everyone else

[uncut pebble]

I wish that power calculations were actually shown somewhere...

[gilded rock]

I also wish you couldn't get hit by things while you're in BoN stomach

[pastel yew]

"man I fucking hate psykers.. I just wanna vom on people."

[shadow aurora]

Soften em ups description fills me with so much rage

[uncut pebble]

Like what power does and how much it's affecting stats.

[pastel yew]

I love when talent descriptions just like.. break

not even incorrect just straight up filepath

[gilded rock]

Like I already have the misfortune of being horribly displaced and having 80% of my health corrupted, a sniper kicking through four feet of rotten flesh to finish me off is unnecessary

[lyric dock]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

Why i love this mod

[shadow aurora]

Good work team time to go on vacation

[pastel yew]

no?

[gilded rock]

Now it's only sometimes

Gunners especially still do it

[pastel yew]

that applied to slug too?

[lyric dock]

Good times is when Nurgle just sits on a fire patch if they eat you

[uncut pebble]

Poxbursters still try to explode on you if a mutant is carrying you.

[lyric dock]

Mutie grabs you and holds you over a fire

[pastel yew]

beast of nurgle just wants some friends... that's why he grabs you and takes you somewhere far away... he just wants to show you his favourite filth pile

and then kill you

[shadow aurora]

Who else thinks they should revert fire changes :)

[pastel yew]

I'm mixed on it

like on the one hand fire damage is now a meme

[uncut pebble]

I've pushed a dog, it do a 360, then immediately jump again like 4 times now.

[gilded rock]

Another indirect VoC buff yippee

[pastel yew]

but on the other hand toughness before was prettty disadvantaged

if they reverted it loads of people would cry though

[shadow aurora]

I like new fire personally

But you should be punished more

[pastel yew]

I just feel like it's kinda pointless

[shadow aurora]

A mix between new and old

[uncut pebble]

I wish fire didn't slow you to a fucking crawl.

[pastel yew]

it's damage is way too low

[pastel yew]

dodge through it

[gilded rock]

Fire is still threatening because it's still area denial and it's more interactive than it used to be

I think that is fine

Bomber and flamer enemy meta was annoying

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I do but still, I don't think anything should impede movement that severely. Gunners/reapers also are included in this.

[gilded rock]

Now it's trapper and burster enemy meta because the game sometimes ignores your dodges and has dog ass audio priority relatively often

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean... you'd think standing in fire would be a pretty compelling motivation to move faster

RUNN

[uncut pebble]

One gunner being able to literally pin you to the floor is really, really dumb.

[pastel yew]

I do agree on gunner hit stun being a bit rough

[shadow aurora]

Fire should take time to ramp up in dmg where its slow when you first step in it but staying in it shreds you

[pastel yew]

but its only when you have no toughness

there are a few times I super over greed for reapers

and get nailed in place

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, the toughness that they instantly shatter.

[pastel yew]

but honestly it's a fair punish as that's entirely on me

[lyric dock]

Nothing frustrate me more in DT than anything else is a trapper getting you at a weird ass angle or through multiple Ogryn enemies

[uncut pebble]

Or the 26 shooters that are following them around that have already dropped my toughness because I can't dodge all of them.

[gilded rock]

I agree with a ramp up concept honestly but I feel that it already does ramp up a little bit

[pastel yew]

it drops tracking but not for the whole slide

if you're dodge sliding

[gilded rock]

Sometimes I will witness a two wounds person get revived in fire and they die in three ticks because they were already in it

Unavoidable death because your teammate was silly

[lyric dock]

Victim of that many times

[shadow aurora]

Trappers in general piss me off. I dont get got by them often but everytime i do i swear my teams brains collectively go blank

[pastel yew]

yeah though I think if you get caught out and aren't within 2 dodge slides of something you're fucked

[gilded rock]

Another reason to run VoC

[pastel yew]

(which is more than fair

[lyric dock]

If a trapper gets me where it is logical. I'm fine with it because that was a issue on my part. If it doesn't make any sort of sense. Fuck that noise

[pastel yew]

trappers are the only actually dangerous enemy in the game, change my mind

all it takes is one shit eater to block your dodge, and you're dead

[shadow aurora]

Unironically true

[uncut pebble]

I am guilty of this. I see them get yanked and automatically assume that they went down, so the priority of getting them back into the fight drops dramatically on my list of things to do.

[gilded rock]

If they fixed burster audio I would agree

[uncut pebble]

Magnetic dogs:

[pastel yew]

I've never had an issue with burster audio honestly, unless you stand right by the door

[terse idol]

Dogs when you have the muscle memory to push them a nano second before they even jump in the future

[shadow aurora]

Nothing pisses me off more than people who go after the trapper rather than saving you. If you cant kill it in like a second just fucking pick me up and we can both do it

[terse idol]

Dogs aren't that bad once you learn how... weird pushing really is

[pastel yew]

if you're having issues with connectivity n such which is usually what causes that (also because I know xbox as a platform has a lot of issues there currently) the safest way is to slide backwards and shove as they pounce

[terse idol]

Same as burster

[pastel yew]

I had shitnet for a few weeks and had to adapt

[terse idol]

Push them 1 frame before

[uncut pebble]

Dogs are just as guilty, if not worse, than trappers because you can basically never dodge them, so you have to push them, and that requires stamina.

[gilded rock]

I have so many clips of a burster being 1 decibel and genuinely inaudible over everything else until it goes to explode

[pastel yew]

you will never get grabbed by a dog sliding back and shoving

[terse idol]

Yee

That's what I should have said

[pastel yew]

yeah but I'd rather that than before where you could shove and have nothing happen

[terse idol]

It's so much easier to push dogs than an eshin assassin in vt2

[gilded rock]

Pushes are generous thankfully, dodges sometimes fail for dogs

[uncut pebble]

Yeah I agree that it's super generous, but they still shouldn't be magnetic.

[terse idol]

Same as pox bursters

[pastel yew]

most of the time you're dodge killing the dog mid pounce anyway

[gilded rock]

Oh god yeah no audio cue for the leap and it's twice as fast

[lyric dock]

I have better luck dodging dogs than pushing them

[terse idol]

They're not reeeeallly a timed dodge will fuck em

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean... they can't grab you while you're sliding

[uncut pebble]

My other gripe with dogs is when you push/hit them, they get obscene knockback and slide away like the floor behind them has been buttered.

[terse idol]

And then the assassin just poofing if you don't kill them

[pastel yew]

I do think a lot of players don't know you can dodge slide though

[terse idol]

[shadow aurora]

Wait really

[pastel yew]

yeah

[shadow aurora]

LMAO

awesome

[gilded rock]

⁉️

[shadow aurora]

New tech

[lyric dock]

Nothing like trying to kill the damn dog, but they keep being knocked around like a rag doll

[gilded rock]

New tech unlocked

[gilded rock]

twinsies

[pastel yew]

jank ass game, I think muties also can't grab you while sliding lmao

[gilded rock]

When teammates keep shooting the dog that I'm in melee range of

[uncut pebble]

You can push both dogs and bursters in 360 degrees without having to look at them because of how they're intended to be countered.

[pastel yew]

especially when its a really low damage weapon so all it does is knock them about

[gilded rock]

(I will barrel them at the next opportunity)

[pastel yew]

when you were about to one shot it

[shadow aurora]

Theres no way someone please test this i need to know

[uncut pebble]

The issue with bursters is sometimes they will be pushed the wrong direction.

[pastel yew]

sure I can test for you

[lyric dock]

Barrels. Is the 2nd worst enemy in DT

[uncut pebble]

I've pushed one while looking directly at it just for it to slide towards me.

[gilded rock]

All ranged weapons are low damage compared to any melee for dogs except for like revolver

Just like let your teammate handle it LOL

[gilded rock]

Me staring at the assail psyker after their stupid fucking rock knocked a burster towards me for the third time

[shadow aurora]

I wish barrels did more to enemies. They feel like an enemy more than a hazard. They should affect the heretics as much as us

[gilded rock]

Speaking of barrels

I had the pleasure of playing the new map with a maelstrom modifier for extra barrels

[lyric dock]

I lost a few deathless runs when trying to go for the 5 Auric Malestorm challenges because of those damn Barrels

[faint beacon]

Yknow I want to suffer more, can we make the tox gas build peril thanks shartshark

[shadow aurora]

Howd it goooooo

[gilded rock]

That was one of the most anxiety-inducing moments I've had on this game

[pastel yew]

oh dude I just tested it

[gilded rock]

Someone got killed and I almost got ledged

[pastel yew]

you absolutely can be grabbed by em now

I swear on christ the dogs could not do so before

either way it messes with their tracking so it's still better to do

I've slid face first into dogs and not gotten grabbed

[shadow aurora]

Ok thats good i thought i had my world view shattered

[lyric dock]

Stop. My nexus charge and unstable power can only get so erect

[gilded rock]

Literally not a single spot on the start area was safe from griefing

[shadow aurora]

But too bad about the dogs

[terse idol]

Will say also as a note dogs struggle when there's an incline

Like stairs

[pastel yew]

I'd still slide anyway, as they'll leap at where you were depending on timing and you'll gain extra distance

[gilded wraith]

Ah... the stairway to Heaven mod.

[pastel yew]

take me back to the good old days

when dogs could literally fly

[gilded rock]

Have you ever edged a dog's aneurysm by walking in sight of it then out of sight over and over

[pastel yew]

and teleport about the place

[gilded rock]

They looks so silly

[lyric dock]

I do miss dogs randomly getting yeeted into Heaven

[lyric dock]

But I can settle for the dog ragdoll going spastic on dying

Please keep that in

[shadow aurora]

An enemy that increases peril sounds interesting but would probably be weird to balance. Youd of course have to make the other classes suffer peril but you dont want it to be unfair against psykers

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/baki-baki-hanma-netflix-ogre-anime-gif-17317987594888449408

they got places to be

physical obstacles aint nothing on them man

[gilded rock]

I said aneurysm, what are you thinking of

https://tenor.com/view/braincell-gif-21133038

[shadow aurora]

Also would probably be bs

[terse idol]

Edged a dogs aneurysm
Certainly ain't a combination of words

Or I should say it is

[gilded rock]

"There's no way he will walk slightly to the left for the third time at the top of this staircase"

[terse idol]

It is one of the phrases of all time

[shadow aurora]

God i love pitbulls. Going to my cousins soon and they got three they are so stupid❤️

[gilded rock]

I am a master of original sentences

[shadow aurora]

If fatshark makes a third tide seires what would it be about

Itd be cool if we got to play as heretics

[uncut pebble]

They should really just expand more upon what we've got now.

[terse idol]

The SkavenTide

[uncut pebble]

Fighting only nurgle is cringe.

[terse idol]

I would love to play as a Skaven

[uncut pebble]

I want to fight a chaos warrior of khorne.

[terse idol]

Me as I kill-kill man things

[gilded rock]

Playing as lizardmen in WHF would be fun but a shame since Skaven and Chaos are already VT2s thing

[shadow aurora]

I know people dont like the idea but i still stand by gene stealer supremacy

[terse idol]

Jean stealer would be cool too

[uncut pebble]

I would really enjoy killing genestealers.

[shadow aurora]

Thatd be neat

[terse idol]

If anything to play as a GSC

[shadow aurora]

Nid bosses would be so tight

[uncut pebble]

PLEASE fatshark, let us fight genestealers.

[gilded rock]

One class is skink, one class is saurid, one class is the Krokowhateveryoucallthems

[terse idol]

Oh yeah I could vibe that

[uncut pebble]

Kroxigor?

[gilded rock]

And maybe a fledgling slaan as the fourth or something

[gilded rock]

Yessss

I love Nakai

Nakai is homie

[shadow aurora]

I bet a nurgle class would have a ton of cool shit

[gilded rock]

So happy they fixed him on TWH3 a while back

[gilded rock]

you almost tempted me to post the forbidden Nurgle gif

almost

[shadow aurora]

Do it

I must know what it is

[terse idol]

Tehenhauin my beloved

[shadow aurora]

What are these goofy names you all keep referring too

Skaven?

[terse idol]

Major Lizardmen leaders

[shadow aurora]

I dont know anything about fantasy

[terse idol]

😌

[shadow aurora]

Oh

[terse idol]

Oh that's faiir

Fantasy is a little wacky

[shadow aurora]

Skaven are probably called stuff like gruntpunt or shit like that huh

[terse idol]

Like hhhh

Queek Headtaker

[gilded rock]

nah nah it's genuinely rule break potential

[shadow aurora]

Awww

[shadow aurora]

Queek

[gilded rock]

That sounds more like Ogre name

[terse idol]

Ikit Claw

Whaat you know Queek but not fantasy? Smmmhh

Queek and his roommate Ska Bloodtail

[uncut pebble]

Skaven titles are like "warlord," "warlock," and "master assassin."

[gilded rock]

I'm sorry automod I won't do it again

[uncut pebble]

What he was talking about earlier were types of lizardmen.

[terse idol]

Well Nakai is a named legendary Kroxigor leader

Nakai the wanderer

Or wait

[uncut pebble]

You've got skinks, kroxigors, saurians, and their leaders, the slann.

[terse idol]

Yeah

[uncut pebble]

Nakai is a kroxigor, and probably the oldest lizardman.

Save maybe lord kroak.

[pastel yew]

honestly there arent a lot of factions that could be good for a tide type game in 40k

all the other horde stuff is like

outside of human level

[uncut pebble]

The slann are basically spellcasting frogs.

[shadow aurora]

Orks

[pastel yew]

and spess marines are far less interesting than playing people

[terse idol]

Skaven we got like
Skaven slaves, Skaven Clan rats then respectable notable faction skaven
Plague monks, Stormvermin

[uncut pebble]

ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS ORKS

[terse idol]

Warplock engineers

[pastel yew]

orks a lot stronger than humons

[terse idol]

Warlords

[pastel yew]

what would their like.. pleb horde minion be?

gretchin?

[terse idol]

Then Grey seers

[shadow aurora]

We could play as space marines

[terse idol]

The council of the 13

[shadow aurora]

Or eldar

[terse idol]

And the great horned one

[uncut pebble]

You just basically make a killteam game, then.

[pastel yew]

but I don't wanna play as space marine they boring

eldar wouldn't be awful but

[shadow aurora]

Whats that

[pastel yew]

waah

[uncut pebble]

Look up wh40k killteam.

[pastel yew]

like.. small scale 40k game

[terse idol]

Tau

[pastel yew]

the suggestions just keep gettin worse

[shadow aurora]

Tau are human level mostly

[uncut pebble]

It's a shorter game where you pick an operative type and you can have up to 4 people.

[gilded rock]

Lord Kroak is literally the emperor except he's still sentient

[uncut pebble]

It's... top down?

Not sure how to describe it.

[gilded rock]

I love that silly little corpse chair

Battlefield go boom

[terse idol]

Look I would kill to be in a XV88 BROADSIDE BATTLESUIT

[uncut pebble]

Except he's actuall dead, in lore.

[uncut pebble]

Lots of leaders in the total war games are already dead.

[terse idol]

Well then his ghost came back

[uncut pebble]

Like, mazdamundi died because khorne got a little angry and threw 8 of his greatest exalted bloodthirsters at him.

[terse idol]

Many got replaced also to be fair

[gilded rock]

Wdym?

[uncut pebble]

He died.

Like he is just dead.

[gilded rock]

Like he's never a telepathically floating chair or just that he died at some point

[uncut pebble]

Everyone is, technically, because we know how wh fantasy ends.

[gilded rock]

I thought just about everyone died

[terse idol]

Like King Leon Leoncoeur died but another Brettonian leader stepped up

[uncut pebble]

Their equivalent to whats his face that corrupted horus basically imploded the entire planet.

[shadow aurora]

Wait what about a tide game versus robots? Warhammer 30k, before they got rid of ai as a whole

[terse idol]

Like alooooot of leaders got killed but many got replaced

It's why I like to point out the end times was fucked but fucked for everyone

Alot of chaos aligned leaders, dead

[uncut pebble]

Archaeon, dead.

[terse idol]

Queek, dead

Sigvald

Dead

[uncut pebble]

Sigvald was a chad, for a slaaneshi worshipper.

[shadow aurora]

WAIT QUEEK IS REAL??

[uncut pebble]

Yeah?

[terse idol]

Yeah

[shadow aurora]

I thought you made that up lolol

[uncut pebble]

Queek headtaker killed a LOT of named characters, too.

[shadow aurora]

Thats such a good name

[terse idol]

He also had a dumb death but it was expected

[uncut pebble]

Other notable skaven leaders did a lot of bad shit, too.

[terse idol]

THE GRUDGE WAS REPAYED

[gilded rock]

I still think it's so dumb that the Slann, who individually can move mountains, lost a moon tug-of-war against backwater rat shamans

[uncut pebble]

Ikit Claw literally created nuclear warfare out of warp stones.

[gilded rock]

The writers just wanted an excuse to make the slann not singlehandedly win the setting

[uncut pebble]

To be fair, those rat shamans worship a facet of nurgle and are unnaturally close to it.

(the great horned rat is a facet of nurgle, if you didn't know)

[shadow aurora]

The only prominent figure in fantasy is know about is nagash. Such is the power I suppose

I need to read up on the lore

[uncut pebble]

Go read up on the best character, Balthasar Gelt.

"I AM SUPREME"

Or Sigvald, if chaos is more your fancy.

[shadow aurora]

I like the dwarves

[uncut pebble]

Long story short, he told slaanesh that he didn't want to be a daemon prince because he thought they were ugly and that he was perfect.

[terse idol]

I still love to point out that the one time the Skaven stopped bickering and the council of the 13 unanimously agreed on something
Was when Nagash was trying to end the world
So all of the slaven leadership was like "oh yeah that's bad let's stop it"
And they did

[uncut pebble]

And, so perfect as he thought himself, he believed the dirt was unworthy to be on his boots, so he just floated a few inches above the ground at all times.

[terse idol]

The skaven definetly could rule the world but they're too busy arguing with one another and trying to kill one another to accomplish anything

[uncut pebble]

Gork and Mork moment.

[shadow aurora]

This AIR is unworthy to touch my lungs!

[faint beacon]

Hating on a whole nother level holy shit

[uncut pebble]

Oh, also..

Sigvald could not be touched by rain.

It physically would not touch him.

[terse idol]

NOW TO BE FAIR
Clan Pestillens and Chaos Nurgle followers are a liiittle at odds

[shadow aurora]

Like did he will it

[terse idol]

Considering pestillens wants to use disease to kill everyone

[shadow aurora]

Or was the rain just like

[terse idol]

And nurgle is more about the cycle of life death and decay

[shadow aurora]

Nah fuck that

[uncut pebble]

Yeah he just wouldn't allow the rain to get on his armor or in his hair.

It would rust his armor and get him wet.

And he didn't like it.

So he just... repelled rain.

[shadow aurora]

Oh ok

[faint beacon]

Warhammers strongest hater

[uncut pebble]

By far my favorite chaos character.

[terse idol]

Sigvald died ironically also so

[uncut pebble]

Like right up there with Kharn.

[thick kestrel]

not going to lie.... brain short circuited a little and I suddenly thought Vay-Hek had escaped Warframe until I re-read that a couple of times...