veteran-class

[marble mantle]

Special is pretty solid for it only costing 1 ammo

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I could see that, though that's the same for any weapon specialist build

[marble mantle]

Prefer sluggy but still

[tall torrent]

But u can do really well with it

[pastel yew]

I guess I would feel more likely to actually use my ranged to proc melee specialist though

[tall torrent]

It’s more like
Much higher risk than most other builds

Because u have downtime if there’s no horde around

On WS Zarona the risk is fairly low

[pastel yew]

yeah that's fair, since you're gonna be lower on the range front

and its not like you have throwing knives to make the difference

[tall torrent]

Smoke helps tho

[pastel yew]

I can't use em, I can't see

myy eyees

[marble mantle]

I’ve actually been getting much better at using my smokes

[pastel yew]

just for the love of god dont throw them in the middle of everything

[marble mantle]

Sorry can’t hear you, it’s too smoky in here

[pastel yew]

MY EYEES

its not so bad currently because literally no one in quick play uses smokes

[last parcel]

im about to quickplay with my smokes rn

[marble mantle]

😎 except me

[pastel yew]

and I've been vibing with exec stance

[tall torrent]

Most people don’t understand how it works so they use it poorly

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean if it was the gunner patch

I could get it

[marble mantle]

Exe stance smokes fucks tbh

[tall torrent]

No

[pastel yew]

just dodge innit

or slide

[tall torrent]

That’s not all smoke does

[pastel yew]

what am I missing

[tame lodge]

Sorry, can't hear you over the sound of the smoke

[marble mantle]

Tsssssssssssssssss

[pastel yew]

loud ass smoke can't hear shit can't see shit

[pastel yew]

I guess that's interesting

not sure I actually care for any of that though, I'd still only want them thrown far and out of the melee

mostly on lil gunner groups that aren't gonna be dealt with immediately

[tall torrent]

No, smoke in its current iteration is very literally “you want to be inside it”

[pastel yew]

damage is so stacked, and sliding so broken that usually you can just kill everything

[marble mantle]

Honestly I think that if a mutant, poxburster, or hound is in the smoke, they should just target the last known location of the player

Would be so nice

[tall torrent]

Concealment status is what matters, not the visual smoke cloud itself

[pastel yew]

oh god, mutants diving at phantom players sounds rough

[tall torrent]

No

[pastel yew]

I mean I can read what it says I just don't know why I'd really wan't that most of the time

[tall torrent]

Smoke can still use a buff

Make it counter more specialists

[pastel yew]

enemies don't do enough damage and are easily avoided

which is why I say in gunner patch I'd get it

[marble mantle]

Why no

[pastel yew]

since then the lil shit muncher gunners were actually doing something

[tall torrent]

Because it makes flamers unable to attack u

[pastel yew]

so does being dead

[tall torrent]

Or hounds

[marble mantle]

I wasn’t suggesting a nerf lol I just thought it would be a nice change

[tall torrent]

Or snipers

[pastel yew]

and post fire changes fire damage isn't that big

hounds and snipers are both slidable, dodgeable

[tall torrent]

It’s a defensive utility tool

[pastel yew]

dogs can be shoved or hit

[tall torrent]

Making it shut off specialists completely is better

[pastel yew]

yeah I mean I get it just, it doesn't bring anything that positioning and slide/dodge dont

[marble mantle]

Well yeah sure I totally agree but I kinda sincerely doubt they’d make it that strong

[pastel yew]

honestly I'd settle for it just being less visually disruptive

or having that be one of the many non existent accessibility options

[tall torrent]

You can say good positioning makes it less relevant, but smoke also enables u to position urself much more aggressively and still take minimal risk

It’s a utility tool

[pastel yew]

yeah psyker shield is the same

but I can see at 100% through the shield

whereas the smokes are fucky

[tall torrent]

It is psyker shield but different flavour

[pastel yew]

mhm

[marble mantle]

Honestly I can still see through smoke pretty well when I’m in it, I’m surprised you can’t.

More so difficult when I’m outside of it

[pastel yew]

not really in the smoke I guess, I'm pretty agressive

so usually far to a flank

or sniping far back

[marble mantle]

Ahh

[pastel yew]

after returning

[tall torrent]

If you’re not inside smoke you get almost nothing out of the thrown smoke

[pastel yew]

less than nothing

because it blocks sight

again it'd be a nice accessibility option

[last parcel]

TALOS THE MIGHTY

TALOS THE UNASSAILABLE

[pastel yew]

would be nice if the smokes gave some kinda combat stim

I think sub nodes for grenade options would be dope

if the skill trees werent already so tight on points

[tall torrent]

Just make smoke counter more specialists

Make it so if you’re inside smoke, bombers can’t throw grenade on u

Mutant & Poxburster lose tracking and stay out

Stuff like that

[pastel yew]

you start running more and more of a risk of smite 2.0 though

the other problem child darktide has to me

[tall torrent]

Yea well

[pastel yew]

I guess it's more limited

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1260682486304739431/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.10_-_15.41.07.02.mp4?ex=6690358f&is=668ee40f&hm=920cd9be424acf917704d74374784489ee52ba9f14261c8e217cabb61b7316f0&

EP smite is busted yea

[pastel yew]

vets grenade generation should probably be looked at

it aint loading

I'm guessing its damage related since ep mentioned

I think thats a group of ragers getting shit on

but even outside of the damage its the cc I dislike

[tall torrent]

It is what it is

[pastel yew]

its effectively just a combat off button which isn't fun

even if I do recognise it's strong and fun for the psyker I don't really wanna queue up to hit enemies that cant fight back... it aint really engaging

[tall torrent]

It’s not engaging or fun

[pastel yew]

exactly why I'd rather the smokes just do something else

maybe give them some heretic dot damage or something idk, something cool

or just a move/attack speed debuff to enemies inside of them

[frank ether]

with all the massive buffs its still a worse bubble

[tall torrent]

Shorter fuse & countering more specialists would be a good start

[frank ether]

but I do not want smoke buffed any further

if I could I'd rather have another offensive grenade

[pastel yew]

for what niche though

[tall torrent]

Make field engineer veteran dlc a reality

[pastel yew]

you already have great aoe and great single target

[tall torrent]

AT mines as blitz, deployable barbed wire as ult

[pastel yew]

tbf an empower psionics type keystone for grenades? would have went hard

[frank ether]

make tripmines or something

[pastel yew]

instead we got marksmans focus

[tame lodge]

[frank ether]

marksman focus because exe wasnt jank enough on its own

[pastel yew]

exec stance... my beloved

[terse idol]

Mines

[pastel yew]

not sure how marksmans focus got so fucked up

meant for precision shooting

real usage = full auto weapons

[frank ether]

It was design failure from day one

[pastel yew]

say it aint so

[tall torrent]

Exe stance wouldn’t be so bad
If it didn’t have the worst pathing in vet tree

[pastel yew]

I don't think it's bad? straight out of survivalist, a lot of the nodes in the bottom left are also real good

depends on the build

[frank ether]

totally needed 4 nodes on top of that lmao

[mortal orbit]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/dGaNSyPLMA

[pastel yew]

but weakspot damage, more ammo, elite damage

all good

[tall torrent]

I too, enjoy having my gun’s breakpoints taken away because something stepped within 8m of me

[mortal orbit]

There anyway to replicate this? Have a burst fire pistol seems dope.

[pastel yew]

okay you got me there the nodes are fucked

[pastel yew]

okay that's not really the strength of the node though

it's boss damage

pew pew

[frank ether]

neither longshot nor killzone are good nodes

[tall torrent]

Worst pathing by far

[frank ether]

if you're taking it for boss damage

it means the boss is focusing someone else

[pastel yew]

also 10% crit on the first 10% of shots is like.. fine, if you're using las weapons

[pastel yew]

8m really is not that far

[frank ether]

if the boss is focusing someone else you don't need to build for giga boss damage

[pastel yew]

marksman further down

[frank ether]

its a win more build

[tall torrent]

Right side has a 5% crit node that works all the time for both melee & ranged and doesn’t have weird conditions attached

[pastel yew]

• exec stance + dash back on boss approach

you can do insane damage

like kill a boss with the cowboy revolver in 1 drum

[tall torrent]

It’s just by far the worst pathing in vet tree

[pastel yew]

I mean yeah

not saying the right side is bad, just the left aint so bad

[tall torrent]

It is comparatively much worse than middle & right

[pastel yew]

I do fucking love grenadier on the right side

middle tree ehhh

but I think that's because I've gone off of shout

more a pref thing

[tall torrent]

Demo stock, tinkerer

[pastel yew]

full grenade build is so fun

back in my day before the keystones were attainable 👴

[tall torrent]

Meanwhile left top only good talent is catch a breath

[frank ether]

It does that without any of the left nodes

[pastel yew]

not without exec stance?

[frank ether]

gun has crazy unyielding and you have focus mark as veteran

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[frank ether]

maybe exe makes it guaranteed

[tall torrent]

Both Killzone and opening salvo need changes

[frank ether]

but going middle path on agri revolver

makes for a much safer build

thats more than a gimmick

how do I know? Agri revo is my most popular gun

[pastel yew]

catch a breath is good though it's competition node is like... worthless, no stun immunity and stamina when toughness broken

I guess that'd make blocking in melee feel less awful?

but I don't really block

[tall torrent]

No it’s just not good

[frank ether]

you use stamina for pushing and deadshot

[winter grove]

No it isn't

[tall torrent]

Whereas catch a breath is literally toughness regen out of coherency

[winter grove]

Let's put an example

Mk4 ilas has about 100 bullets in mag

Takes 2 bullets to shoot

So effectively 50 shots

[tall torrent]

70 shots at max without shock trooper

[frank ether]

catch a breath feels unneccessary on proper builds

on exe build you might need it though

because again exe is baby mode ult

[tall torrent]

It’s not necessary most of the time, but it helps a lot in last man standing

[winter grove]

At max, I took the easier one to calculate

[tall torrent]

At max is 140 ammo

So 70 shots

[frank ether]

Doesn't it disable itself the moment you enter combat?

[pastel yew]

I mean the mk2 recon has 100 and takes only 1 to shoot, also that 10% increased crit isn't effectively one shot because you have base crit + other crit modifiers + crit procs being multiple shots that all increase the ammount. also you don't reload aftera full empty mag, so that 10% is closer to 1/3 of your total shots depending on how tense things get

[tall torrent]

Whenever you’re in combat you have melee toughness regen & confirmed kill

It allows u to challenge shooters in last man standing

Without having to pop VoC just for toughness

[winter grove]

It's 5 shots that aren't getting used on ilas

IF it's crit

[tall torrent]

It also means that you can stray from ur team and still get toughness because none of them is getting plasteel

[pastel yew]

valid

[frank ether]

see I do not have this need because I either run WS or focus mark, both of which have nutty toughness replenish nodes

Only on exe do I feel the need

[pastel yew]

I'd have to record one of my games but I think I could get through a whole damnation auric hisg without any ammo pickups with the mk2

crits not using ammo is huge

and thats not really being reserved

thats haha exec stance shoot everything that glows

[tall torrent]

You can’t tag shooters & stalkers with focus target

[frank ether]

there would need to be 50 of them for me to be concerned

I'm a veteran not a psyker

unless I fucked up really badly in which case sure

[tall torrent]

It helps, that’s all

[pastel yew]

absolute worst case where you're having to do all of the heavy lifting, and all I had to grab was 3 lights with both mediums wasting ammo over the max

opening salvo good

maybe super build specific

but not useless

also exec stance boss damage lmao

[winter grove]

Only for recons

And maybe Mk2 laspistol

[tall torrent]

No, you’d grab 5% crit because it doesn’t need survivalist

[winter grove]

I don't think hellbores need it considering the ammo efficiency

[pastel yew]

I mean the 10% crit is also not the worst if you're using the zarona

like I said situational but strong

also mk2 laspistol my beloved

[tall torrent]

10% melee dmg -> agile engagement -> move speed aura -> 5% crit chance

[winter grove]

Zarona users tend to be WS builds from my experience

[pastel yew]

one of my favourite weapons

[tall torrent]

It’s so strong it’s like why wouldn’t u pick it

[pastel yew]

yeah for sure but if you're wanting to avoid it for something like... boss damage

then 10% + deadshot

it's not the worst

given you only need 2 crits to kill a crusher

or 1 with exec stance

[winter grove]

I meant the one perk with 10% ammo being 10% more likely to be crits is bad

[tall torrent]

It is

Exe stance just has bad pathing

[winter grove]

Shocktrooper is good but not for Hellbores and stuff

[pastel yew]

even if we say both of the nodes are trash

[tall torrent]

Helbore I’d take shock trooper because u don’t need survivalist on that gun either

[pastel yew]

exec stance is still worth it

[winter grove]

I am not sure about shocktrooper being unnecessary for Ilas

[pastel yew]

more bullets is always more good

ranged dps is just better than melee

[tall torrent]

It’s not so worth it that it’s worth taking 1 out of 2 bad nodes for it when there’re much better talents positioned elsewhere

[pastel yew]

and the more you can shoot, the less you need to conserve

[pastel yew]

depends on the gun imo

[winter grove]

Other nodes win because they got better talents

[pastel yew]

any gun that is good hipfire is going to benefit from it the most

plus the damage boost

is no joke

it's significant

it's the glass cannon ability

[tall torrent]

Yea there’re like 2 guns that want exe stance

Maybe 3

Generally 2

[pastel yew]

uhh I mean

boltgun, recons, mk7 headhunter

[tall torrent]

Not mk7 headhunter

[pastel yew]

exec stance has a pretty unique property of making mid guns

[tall torrent]

Not recons either

[pastel yew]

petter

[radiant chasm]

I dont run recon or mk7 with exec stance

[tall torrent]

Only 2 specific guns want exe stance

[radiant chasm]

Mk7 im shouting and recons i’m sneaking

[pastel yew]

why wouldnt you, it helps make the one shot breakpoint on mk7 way more consistently

[radiant chasm]

It should already lol

[pastel yew]

plus the damage boost and hipfire accuracy boost are huge steroids to the recons

[radiant chasm]

Surgical DA

[tall torrent]

Because mk7 can get all of its breakpoints without exe stance

[radiant chasm]

Deadshot

[winter grove]

Is mg12 one of them? :)

[tall torrent]

unfortunately

[pastel yew]

relying on crits ehhh also then stamina use

[radiant chasm]

Yes

[radiant chasm]

(Relying)

It’s not rng

And it’s a single shot

[pastel yew]

its rng if you're shooting quick enough no?

[radiant chasm]

Just grab duck and dive if that scares you

[radiant chasm]

Opening salvo ain’t helping either

[serene bough]

exe doodoo

[tall torrent]

Crit 1 headshot is only for flamer and even then you could shoot twice very rapidly
Exe stance doesn’t make it suddenly able to non-crit 1HS flamer without other buffs

[radiant chasm]

If you are shooting quick dont go mk7 just go CIAG

[pastel yew]

opening salvo is nice for hitting one taps without exec stance though where it would be wasteful, also the nature of it's hipfire combo well with opening salvo

first shit is pinpoint accurate

[radiant chasm]

First shit

Nah just go surgical DA

It’s a DMR

[tall torrent]

Vraks 7 is a 1 tap gun that can rapid 2 tap if the 1 tap doesn’t kill

But it doesn’t need exe stance to work

U can get all of its major breakpoints without

[pastel yew]

of course it does

also without other buffs which you will always have

you dont need opening salvo active to one shot flamers with exec stance

[radiant chasm]

With deadshot it means waiting for even less surgical stacks

[pastel yew]

I literally just now tested it

[tall torrent]

Have what
It’s missing like 600~700 dmg to flamer 1 headshot without crit

[radiant chasm]

Why go exec stance just to use subpar blessings

[winter grove]

Fuck

[pastel yew]

no, it's just the strength it gains from exec stance is huge

[pastel yew]

?

[radiant chasm]

It really isn’t

[tall torrent]

Exe stance doesn’t magically give u 700 more dmg on Vraks 7 to get a non-crit flamer 1HS

[radiant chasm]

What meaningful breakpoints does exec give that you can’t get elsewhere easier

Ie focus target

[pastel yew]

the marksman node is what does

[winter grove]

I like exe stance with lasguns :)
I like clicking heads :)
(Mg12 main)

[pastel yew]

10s

[tall torrent]

It gains very little because it already doesn’t need exe to hit breakpoints so it’s just a “kill things harder” ability

[tall torrent]

Marksman doesn’t give it either

[pastel yew]

im literally

doing it in

the psykanium

right now

[winter grove]

Longshot?

[tall torrent]

Yea, if you run maniac on Vraks 7 which it doesn’t need

[radiant chasm]

Mg12 is the exception, mg12 needs exec stance sadly

[pastel yew]

yeah but why wouldnt you be? also it's not long shot from a massive range

I mean that's fair but without it ragers aren't really all that nice of a kill

[winter grove]

Skill issue my mg12 oneshots stuff without marksman focus AND exec stance because I got extremely lucky

[pastel yew]

and I dislike not being able to fuck up ragers very quickl

[serene bough]

yeah this is the big problem with exe, it used to be required with how weak so many weapons were (also we didnt have a choice with no talent tree at the time) but now that theres been so many buffs and alternative, easier, and more versatile ways to gain damage buffs exe stance isnt a good pick

[radiant chasm]

Mk7 HH doesnt benefit from exec stance nor is it a good marksman weapon either imo

[serene bough]

only for niche stuff

[radiant chasm]

And by doesnt benefit

[winter grove]

Buff Mg12 damage please fatshark

[pastel yew]

I mean I'm gonna post it again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1260796024218194011/image.png?ex=66909f4c&is=668f4dcc&hm=743ac466b213cdbb4c1886dcbdde359a63a30d09aee014993920f93c1df6780e&

this is exec stance recon

you can say it's not good

but numbers do not lie

[radiant chasm]

It doesnt need exec to hit breakpoints that would otherwise be impossible to hit

[pastel yew]

it's absurd

[radiant chasm]

Lol

That’s not exec stance

That’s recon and being a competent gamer

[serene bough]

are we posting scoreboards

i love big numbers

[radiant chasm]

Ive hit 800k with pre buff chain axe

[pastel yew]

fucking love big numbers

total damage is a bad stat though

since most damage is done to pox walkers

only numbers that matter are elite/disablers/specials killed

and ammo used I guess

[serene bough]

i think this is my biggest number

[tall torrent]

Recon only benefits from exe’s +25% dmg
The +25% weakspot dmg matters very little for recon, and recon general baseline got improved

[serene bough]

big number activates brain neurons

[radiant chasm]

It’s literally just recon and holding down m1

Imo focus target build would do roughly the same thing

[pastel yew]

thems big numbers gad damn

[serene bough]

this is with MF Mg4 las

[pastel yew]

on a cooldown, with pinging

[serene bough]

the superior iLas

[radiant chasm]

Like

[pastel yew]

also part of es is that it improves accuracy

[tall torrent]

Focus target has no cooldown

[radiant chasm]

With recons

[pastel yew]

open up the psykanium and hipfire with and without it

[radiant chasm]

Improved accuracy

With recons

[pastel yew]

its stacks do?

[tall torrent]

Anyone who thinks focus target has a cooldown is using it wrong

[pastel yew]

sure it has no cooldown but its less effective the more often you use it

[tall torrent]

Focus target has a minimum refresh mechanic

[pastel yew]

also you can take both

[radiant chasm]

Improved accuracy with the most accurate hoses in the game

[tall torrent]

If u kill the enemy within 2s of tag, it gets reset to 2 stacks

[radiant chasm]

You said marksman exec mk7

[tall torrent]

So you’re very literally meant to tag & kill as fast as u possibly can

[pastel yew]

pure laser beam

i dont care about accuracy for the mk7

[radiant chasm]

Mk7 doesn’t need accuracy either

[tall torrent]

You’re never supposed to wait for stacks

[radiant chasm]

Imo agri brauto uses exec better than mk7

[pastel yew]

mk2 recon las I do though, lets you move while being 100% accurate

[tall torrent]

And FT is usually taken for breakpoints

[pastel yew]

it's just an aim dif at that point

[radiant chasm]

Already is one xd

[tall torrent]

U take FT + redirect fire because u play plasma / helbore

[pastel yew]

because you'll never get fucked by spread

idk I don't think the buffs are insignificant

[tall torrent]

What spread

Hipfire?

[pastel yew]

and the alternatives I don't massively care fore

[pastel yew]

yeah

it's not a great deal but at distance its enough to make headshots not headshots

[radiant chasm]

Why are you hipfiring

[tall torrent]

It is notable, it’s just not so good that it’s worth taking 1 of 2 bad talents to get to it

[radiant chasm]

That goes back to subpar play to justify talents

[pastel yew]

aint no way you don't see the benefits

AINT NO WAY YOU BELIEVE THAT

[tall torrent]

When you could get much better nodes elsewhere in the tree

[frank ether]

I use a little bit of recon on psyker now

[pastel yew]

hipfire is superior movement and better vision

[frank ether]

I use baby bubble shieldd and brain burst

[radiant chasm]

You dont ads mk7 you dont ads recons

[frank ether]

and throw recon vld in there

[pastel yew]

it's just harder to aim but if you can aim there is no downside

[radiant chasm]

The movement penalty from walking to aiming is so small

It doesn’t matter

Lol

[frank ether]

my only problem is my psyker build is the very low base stamina lol

always feel like I need to throw one stam curio

[radiant chasm]

What are you on

[pastel yew]

dodge penalty

it fucks with your sights

[radiant chasm]

Darktide tries extremely hard not to be tunnelvision

[pastel yew]

with I guess isn't a problem if you're using a crosshair mod that lets you project

also hipfire has inate suppression resistance

[radiant chasm]

Well thankfully im not paralyzed so i just, adjust my aim when dodging and aiming

[tall torrent]

This is not true

[radiant chasm]

You literally have suppression immunity right below exec stance

[pastel yew]

it is literally true, suppression only knocks your aim if you are ads

[tall torrent]

Again, this is not true

[pastel yew]

yeah right between two far better talents

[radiant chasm]

Dude just belial up in here

[pastel yew]

1 less skill point is one more point somewhere else

[pastel yew]

I mean if you wanna show you're working I'm listening

[radiant chasm]

If you have suppression issue take it, if not don’t

Not hard

[pastel yew]

but you don't have a suppression issue if you hipfire

its part of why the plasma guns so degen

[tall torrent]

Not going through killzone/opening salvo into exe stance saves just enough points to grab it actually

[pastel yew]

it's just built into the gun

[tall torrent]

This is again, not true

[pastel yew]

if you want to run shout

[pastel yew]

it is true go in the psykanium and watch

you're still 100% accurate under fire

[tall torrent]

Yea I’m gonna record

Plasma is very specifically suppression immune baseline

Most guns are not

[pastel yew]

wdym the wording has tripped me up here

[radiant chasm]

Like i main agri brauto since launch vet

[tall torrent]

Certain guns are immune to suppression by default

[swift ingot]

Laspistol for life

[pastel yew]

yes that is... what I'm saying?

[radiant chasm]

You claimed mk7 hh and recons as well xd

[serene bough]

mk 10

[tall torrent]

No, u said hipfire is not affected by suppression, which is not true

[pastel yew]

never said anything about that, only hipfire

which is true for both weapons

[tall torrent]

Only 3 non-Ogryn guns are completely immune to suppression

[swift ingot]

Feels so satisfying to use

[pastel yew]

I've one tapped gunners before while being suppressed with the hipfire on the mk7

the first shot of a sequence

is 100% accurate

always

[radiant chasm]

Hipfiring recons so you have mroe spread so you get the ability that reduces your spread 100% move of all time

Or you just use it as a DMR and pop heads with surgical

[tall torrent]

watch crosshair

[pastel yew]

yes, but that doesn't really matter

because your firing is hitting

[radiant chasm]

Ndhshshshdhhdh

Okay im going to go take a shower

This shit too silly

[tall torrent]

I’m just disproving what you’re saying, which is that hipfire is always suppression immune

[pastel yew]

get yourself a mk7 out, mid range

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[radiant chasm]

I got a better idea

I double tap dodge

And then i shoot them in the head

[pastel yew]

I don't think a crosshair wobbling is really enough evidence to convince me when I've literally seen the 100% accurace of the mk7 while being suppressed

unless there is something fucky

specifically about that gun

[tall torrent]

vraks 7

[pastel yew]

actually fire a shot

on the enemy

compare it with ads

it's just significantly better

[radiant chasm]

Sneezet

[tall torrent]

You’re not wrong about Vraks 7 having a perfect hipfire 1st shot accuracy

[radiant chasm]

I simply don’t see the point of hipfiring

I dont have issues aiming

Hell even if i go straight mid tree and don’t get suppression immunity

[tall torrent]

However

[radiant chasm]

I have 0 issue moving head to head

[pastel yew]

hipfiring is the same as aiming? except slightly harder

[coral willow]

hipfiring is cool.

[tall torrent]

This perfect 1st shot Hipfire accuracy

[pastel yew]

because zoomed out

also hipfiring is cool

also you have a higher fov

which means you can see more

[radiant chasm]

Hipfiring doesnt proc surgical or deadshot

[tall torrent]

Is only available when the crosshair is not expanded from suppression

[radiant chasm]

I have the highest fov setting already

[pastel yew]

I mean its 6 and 2 3s

you either take those and aim

[tall torrent]

When it is expanded, you don’t have perfect hipfire accuracy

[pastel yew]

or you don't and dont

[winter grove]

Which part of dmg is melee and what is ranged
It should be like this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1231747500193615912/20240422101929_1.jpg?ex=669069c0&is=668f1840&hm=a4cfa2cc82f8fbea743e78d4bb2c7c568c6ec002c9accaf24b026be340c5d11b&

[radiant chasm]

If i wanted to hipfire

[pastel yew]

so the suppression is just fucky?

[radiant chasm]

Id play plasma or brauto

[tall torrent]

Again, I’m just telling u that it can be affected by suppression

[pastel yew]

not sure, either that's an updated ver of the mod

[winter grove]

BRAUTO GANG

[pastel yew]

or some settings tweaked

[winter grove]

That's just leaderboard

[tall torrent]

It’s not like Zarona’s Hipfire where it’s actually completely unaffected by suppression

[pastel yew]

I didnt add anything to the scoreboard just removed some stuff I thought was pointless to track

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/earthquake-meme-girl-earthquake-meme-ali-j-girl-makeup-earthquake-bizarremakeuptutorialearthquake-gif-23583134

meanwhile the zarona in suppression

[tall torrent]

Yea Zarona ads gets suppressed hard, but hipfire is completely immune

[pastel yew]

shame the hipfires not ideal

is the laspistol hipfire also immune or what

because the actual firing accuracy is unchanged regardless of suppression

[tall torrent]

well

[tall torrent]

minimal suppression is not immunity

laspistol & helbore both have minimal suppression

[pastel yew]

wait as a question

are you going entirely off of the crosshair?

or do you have some more substancial reasoning for believing the hipfire is affected

[inland orchid]

out of context i love this clip

[pastel yew]

because I don't think I've ever missed a mk7 shot while in suppression

but if it is innacurate a slight amount of the time there should be missed shots

[tall torrent]

I got a miss just now while testing

However

Because it’s like

Only a fraction of a second where it’s expanded

It’s hard for me to time it in a recording

[inland orchid]

gunner: hehehe i love my big gun
you:

https://tenor.com/view/shoot-gif-8384741647787006615

[winter grove]

Like on my leaderboard it's understandable that most of my dmg came from ilas 1a and not melee

[pastel yew]

are you certain

I just did 10 runs at mid range and not one miss

[winter grove]

Okay bad example because ilas 1a is a good gun

[pastel yew]

might be too small of a sample size but

[tall torrent]

I can try to record again

[winter grove]

[pastel yew]

most kills outside of poxwalkers on my scoreboard are using the recon

outside of a couple ranged and melee elites and a handful of disablers

it might be down to timing

but I'm not really convinced

also if you switch back to your laspistol and hipfire down range

you'll see the spread doesn't noticeably increase on any of your shots

while under the effects of suppression

[tall torrent]

first shot miss (expanded crosshair)

[tall torrent]

2nd shot hit proves that if the first shot wasn't expanded spread it would have hit

[pastel yew]

im pretty sure that's just you missing chief

[tall torrent]

no

[pastel yew]

he sways off to the side

[tall torrent]

2nd shot hit

[pastel yew]

yes because his head is moving

[tall torrent]

I didn't fire at him before this 1st shot

[pastel yew]

shot 1 misses as he sways to the right

shot 2 connects a she sways back

you can see his whole shoulders shifting even if its unclear on the head

[tall torrent]

My guy the dot is literally pinpoint on his head

[pastel yew]

is it on his head? right on the very edge maybe

taken as close as I could before the shot

also at this range your crosshair is 1/4th the area of his head

or a lil below that

also gross you can see the crosshair has square edges

whyy

[tall torrent]

It is perfect 1st shot hipfire accuracy so it goes directly to the dot is aimed at

[pastel yew]

yeah I just don't think the shot connected

I mean it's pretty melty on the pixels but you can see it's right on the edge and he'd be moving more to the right

there's enough uncertainty there

I doubt because in my experience I've never missed that and thought "man I should have hit there"

[tall torrent]

The dot is right on edge so his helmet

[pastel yew]

though the game does steal your shots ...

[tall torrent]

I just checked on helmet Hitbox

Edge counts as hit

[pastel yew]

yeah I'm not... I get that the helmet is included

this screenshot is as close as I could get with play+pause to before the shot

and he's moving off to the left

part of your crosshair is already not on his helmet

[tall torrent]

For the most part u can say that it’s very accurate

[pastel yew]

true

I'll settle for that

[tall torrent]

With some uncertainty on very long range shots under continuous suppression from multiple gunners

[pastel yew]

besides this anyway, I feel the laspistol not gaining any additional spread while being suppressed already shows that theres not really an increase if at all

compared to ads

which is quite noticeable

[tall torrent]

Laspistol is just minimal suppression in general

Both ads & hipfire

[pastel yew]

yeah especially when compared to the zarona

[tall torrent]

There’re only 5 non-Ogryn gun types that are completely immune to suppression

[pastel yew]

I guess it needed some weakness

[tall torrent]

Flamer
Plasma
Combat shotgun
Assault shotgun
Autopistol

[pastel yew]

flamer makes sense I guess

[winter grove]

Wait are y'all still on this

[pastel yew]

what do you mean by combat and assualt shotguns

[tall torrent]

They just don’t have any penalty on accuracy when they get suppressed

No extra sway, no extra spread

[pastel yew]

ah I see, I'm not used to their names

[tall torrent]

Nothing

[pastel yew]

I forget the new shotgun has a new naim

[winter grove]

How do you suppress a shotgun

[pastel yew]

while ads also? god damn

[tall torrent]

Combat shotgun is Lawbringer/agripinaa/kantrael

Assault shotgun is double barrel

[pastel yew]

yeah and the assualts the new one

I didn't know they were immune to suppression on ads though

I knew the hipfire was fine

because I've done similar things to the mk7 with the slug

which is also 100% hipfire accurate for some reason

the whims of FS I guess

not that I'm complaining

[tall torrent]

All Ogryn guns & psyker staves are suppression immune

[pastel yew]

yeah though they can't exactly ADS

maybe I've just noticed correlation and assumed it was the rule

but every gun that isn't being affected by suppression does so when not ADS

[tall torrent]

Because ofc a Psyker should be less afraid of getting shot at than a veteran

[pastel yew]

its because they have high willpower

also honestly maybe the psykers fine with being shot

sounds like a miserable life

or as that one great british general or ... whatever guy once said

"why duck! the shot has already missed you!"

also holy shit... since the psyk was already set up figured I'd test some more stuff

your ads is not accurate while being suppressed

even if you overcome the suppression and have it right on their head

whyyy

[tall torrent]

On recon, yea

[pastel yew]

nah on the mk7

not tried the recon

[tall torrent]

Recon ADS has both +sway and shot deviation when suppressed

All 3 recon lasguns suffer from this

[pastel yew]

doesn't seem so bad on the recon

though it is sort of a useful example as you can see your shots missing

with the laser tracers

[thorn lark]

In Soviet Atoma, Comrade Shotgun supresses you

[tall torrent]

Maybe one day we’ll get exe stance auto reload back

[pastel yew]

🤤

never gonna happen

[thorn lark]

rip sustained fire

[tall torrent]

I think they took it out just because veteran was magdumping Boltgun 30 rounds in 1 go

And Boltgun was turbo broken back then

Or maybe it’s because it would make tac awareness extra busted on exe stance or smth

Keep killing specialists to never have to reload

[pastel yew]

I mean that was massively pinning fires fault though

they took the baby out with the bathwayer

and then tossed the tub

[tall torrent]

If exe stance has auto reload rn I think I’d play Boltgun more

[pastel yew]

the pinning fire nerf was enough

I mean it's about the only thing that makes the boltgun itself fun for me because of the ads stability and making breakpoints

[thorn lark]

i liked the get toughness back fron sustained fire, i could have regen tg on ul like my zealot or psyker

[pastel yew]

I'm sure I could get a build together that regularly one taps all the specialists but I'm not sure I care enough to do so when exec stance exists, click head head head head

I think the main drawback of exec stance is the fact it gives you no safety

[tall torrent]

I mean I’d run exe Boltgun just for this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1259289688955424798/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.06_-_19.19.36.04.mp4?ex=668b246a&is=6689d2ea&hm=e70406fbff6caac324e861bcf1453043e38362dcb1827d8b386dcd407f7de297&

[pastel yew]

even stealth gives all your toughness

god its so satisfying until you remember alot of other weapons do that exact same thing

boltguns so sad in this game, at least they nailed the sound

funny because that exact set up is what you need to kill exactly one pox hound

[thorn lark]

magdump > go stealth > reload > magdump

[pastel yew]

mag dump is just too ammo expensive

maybe its not so bad now with the ammo increase

from 80/100 reserve to 100/125

[coral willow]

exe tree is wierd when itys the only keystone in vet's arsenal that doesnt give you stamina and work with deadshot kek

[thorn lark]

you don't magdump a horde

unless it's a horde of crushers

[pastel yew]

yknow that is.. so true.. actually

wtf its literally in the vet tree

[coral willow]

ammo increase kinda thrw that out of the window and magdumping a boss is pretty much worth it

[pastel yew]

fs: best we can do is adding ANOTHER node to exec stance

[coral willow]

especialyl when your team is a idiot

[tall torrent]

thank u brunt, very cool

[coral willow]

3mag-ing a boss is pretty worth it

[pastel yew]

god damn

that is

actually a real good weapon from him

even 4% crit is nice

[thorn lark]

i play bolter zealot most of the time, i don't feel bad about magdumping on bosses on crushers... in can still snipe reliably

[pastel yew]

yeah though honestly vet has so many options for boss damage

they're chilling

many weapons and kraks if nothing else in your kit is good at it

the mk6 power sword push does too much damage to bosses

[coral willow]

eh

[pastel yew]

its ludicrous

[tall torrent]

thank u brunt, very cool (again)

[coral willow]

idiots trying to use

[thorn lark]

well yeah you need to learn how to cancel draw and do the ads reset thingy

[coral willow]

plasma span and somehow dealing less damage than me

[pastel yew]

I mean as zealot it's kinda one of your better options for dealing with them at range

even though they're tanky af to bolter shells

[pastel yew]

plasma just isn't really great for bosses

it's not terrible

like its fine

[thorn lark]

i use a shattering carapace bolter when going momentum

it helps a fucking lot

[pastel yew]

that actually sounds pretty good

I havent really experimented with the bolter much on zealot

[thorn lark]

cavalcade is for piety only

[pastel yew]

but now all my other weapons on zealot are bricked... I should give it a go

[tall torrent]

Dance of death + duellist

[pastel yew]

what weapon is this

[pastel yew]

yeah I found out recently duellist applies to ranged attacks

[thorn lark]

yeah, pretty much

[tall torrent]

EV15 + Boltgun

[pastel yew]

for whatever reason my head totally skipped it as an option

oh it says right there -_-

the mk 15 evis feels so much better than the og

and I already loved the og

it just.. got a straight upgrade

[tall torrent]

EV15 is ok

But mk4 Chainaxe is better

[pastel yew]

I can't get behind them

they don't really feel that much better at killing single targets

also them being one handed

is so sad

[tall torrent]

Mk4 Chainaxe post-buff is prob the best chain weapon in this game

[pastel yew]

they look so chodey

I've not used em since the buff

[coral willow]

what was it buffed again

[pastel yew]

I've seen some vets take em but not really been convinced

though most auric players are... not great

[tall torrent]

Rev H1 tweaked for easier weakspot hit, heavy attacks’ cleave profile improved, chain rev lights reduce camera snaring, smth like that

Forgot full details

But it’s basically the best chain weapon rn

[thorn lark]

boltgun bad right

[tall torrent]

Purely because it’s the only chain weapon with a single target moveset that has low risk

[pastel yew]

I mean yesnt

it's not bad

honestly outside of it's infested damage being stupidly low, and it's sway being way too high

they're pretty good

[thorn lark]

i put the taxe in the same category

the there is probably better option overall

[coral willow]

idk cause it still feels sluggish
but very good regardless

i use it it on momentum relic build

[thorn lark]

but if you know what you can do, and you don't try to use it for something else... well it works

[pastel yew]

I'd use the taxe if I could hold lmb to keep swinging, honestly it's just tiring on your finger compared the the rashad. I had to install a mod to use the laspistol because my meds at the time made clicking with it kill my joints

[tall torrent]

They’re better on zealot than on veteran

[pastel yew]

maybe I'll give em a go, since rashad is currently best axe and vet uses that better

[tall torrent]

Rashad is best melee overall

[thorn lark]

i have no probleme with the taxe but yeah i find laspistol tiring,.. but i alsmost never spam lights

[pastel yew]

probably gonna try the new shock mauls out first though, they seem dope just have no coins to buy em

spent all my coins testing with the bolt pistol and bolt gun

[lusty sapphire]

I use the full auto mod regardless. Having to spam clicks that much is stupid by any metric

[tall torrent]

The thing with chainaxe tho is that they can actually 1 shot crushers without FotF for zealot

And u can light spam on mk4 for single target

[pastel yew]

for reaaal its horrible

[pastel yew]

using the special though I'm guessing?

[tall torrent]

And zealot has +stagger talents so u can reach stagger breakpoint for breaking rager combo

[tall torrent]

Rev H1 with enough +power stacks yea

U want headtaker + slaughterer on it

[pastel yew]

meanwhile psyker with mk4 dueling almost one shotting crushers on crit

[tall torrent]

And carapace I believe

[tall torrent]

What

[thorn lark]

shout works as well as a combo breaker

[tall torrent]

On vet? Yea but that’s using an ability

[thorn lark]

against dreg ragers?

MULTIPLE dregs?

[tall torrent]

Having an option to break rager combo without using ability is good

[pastel yew]

with uncanny strikes

[thorn lark]

yeah fuck them

[pastel yew]

to completely negate armor

honestly crusher hordes are a joke to that weapon

[thorn lark]

i shout and just destroy them on the floor

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1257958123092578355/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.03_-_03.15.39.122.mp4?ex=668a40cc&is=6688ef4c&hm=953d42e5999c2cc8e37d1bb231f7f971f925577aa5894f84b81ae38ab8ab5df4&

3 is fine

[pastel yew]

you might be able to actually hit the break point for one shotting crushers with a crit.. though you'd likely have to build for it specifically

[thorn lark]

yeah but 3 is not the problem

[pastel yew]

not really worth it when you can just heavy again

[tall torrent]

A lot of them yea use ability

[thorn lark]

it's 3+ and + is other ragers or a horde

i mean, i can solo up to 5 ragers with a claw

in the psyk

in real game, yeah fuck that

[tall torrent]

Then again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1260682486304739431/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.10_-_15.41.07.02.mp4?ex=6690358f&is=668ee40f&hm=920cd9be424acf917704d74374784489ee52ba9f14261c8e217cabb61b7316f0&

[pastel yew]

god the fucking... double swing... on the ragers is so fucking annoying

[tall torrent]

This is somehow the most effective way to deal with them

[rigid pilot]

How does the push attack stagger them

[tall torrent]

I hate it here

[rigid pilot]

Rashad op?

[pastel yew]

because you parry the first hit and get immediately hit by the second

its so silly

[thorn lark]

Joe Smyker

[pastel yew]

you have to spot the attack, vlock the first then immediately parry

[tall torrent]

It just does

[rigid pilot]

What a Chad weapon

[thorn lark]

and antax has better push attack

so antax > rashad

[pastel yew]

certainly

maybe not op op

but like

it's incredibly strong

[rigid pilot]

Decently strong with attack speed

[tall torrent]

Antax is overall a bit worse

Not by much

[thorn lark]

but easier to roll

[rigid pilot]

Doesn't the push attack has no damage cleave at all

At least I heard people yapping

[thorn lark]

that's your average joe combat axe

[pastel yew]

what even is the push attack for antax

[tall torrent]

Quick slash, horizontal

[rigid pilot]

Swipe

[thorn lark]

trying to get the perfect rashad cost me millions

[pastel yew]

same as the rashad then no?

[tall torrent]

It comes out a bit faster than Rashad but not by much

[thorn lark]

moar dmg

[tall torrent]

Rashad is smack with blunt edge

[rigid pilot]

It's less horizontal

[tall torrent]

Antax is a slash

[pastel yew]

ahh I see

hows the rashad costing you millions

its one of the easiest weapons to get

since you dont even need the t4 blessings

they're marginally stronger than t3s

[thorn lark]

you want the blessings and the modifiers and the perks

[tall torrent]

Because u need
High stats in first target, penetration, finesse & dmg
+unarmored dmg perk
Brutal momentum
Headtaker
2nd perk preferably carapace

[pastel yew]

how like... tight on stats are you? perfect rolls 370+ kinda stats or?

[tall torrent]

If u haven’t realized that’s 4/5 high stats, 3/4 specific roll with the 4th having a BiS

[thorn lark]

i have 80*4 with bm4, ht3 and flak + whatever on zealot

[tall torrent]

You need high roll in all 4 Dmg related stats, mainly first target & penetration

[rigid pilot]

I've rasHad enough of god rolling items

[tall torrent]

But u also need 2 specific blessings and 1 specific perk

Or it doesn’t function nearly as good as it should

[terse idol]

Iirc it might be easier to build rashad for zealot?

[crude fiber]

stability and collateral don't matter, mobility high enough for the 4th dodge, pretty good for a 303 lol

[terse idol]

But it's very tight for vet

[pastel yew]

one of the few weapons I actually got out pretty well

[thorn lark]

it is

[thorn lark]

i am wainting for the crafting rework

[pastel yew]

I dont think unarmored is massively imporant though

[tall torrent]

Damn
No unarmored

[pastel yew]

its only really mutants

that suck

[tall torrent]

It unfortunately is

[pastel yew]

if you headshot them youre chilling

but if you can't its big depression

[tall torrent]

Because it’s for scab bruiser 1HS

[terse idol]

It is

For cleave

[tall torrent]

Rashad is hard because it’s breakpoint minmax hell

[pastel yew]

ah I mean, I'm never really fucking with those guys in melee and when I am light spam does fine

[terse idol]

This is why you need to have unarmoured + BM

For this specific breakpoint

[terse idol]

You can do

Leagues better

[pastel yew]

how many pox walkers does it actually add per swing

[thorn lark]

fire team chad + melee dmg + precision strikes nerd unite!

[terse idol]

Also wdym you're not fuckig with scab bruisers in melee

They're like as common as a pox walker

[tall torrent]

Rashad wants unarmored for easier 1 light kill vs them so u kill 4 per swing and end up with like 20 bruisers (where most other melee weapons struggle) dead in 5 swings

[thorn lark]

bruisers are a fucking pain

[pastel yew]

I'm already thinking the weapon is absurd in the state I have it... if it gets significantly better than that then jesus christ

[rigid pilot]

Obviously you get to choose what enemies you fight

[terse idol]

You need it for scab brusiers

Because it turns from you killing 1 scab brusier

0 cleabe

Into 4 scab brusiers

[pastel yew]

I mean if that's all I'm gaining then meh

[terse idol]

In one swing

[pastel yew]

just blast em

pew pew

[terse idol]

No it's not meh

[pastel yew]

I mean why wouldn't it be meh if the alternative is easy!

[terse idol]

It's why you have the melee weapon in the first place

[pastel yew]

group of mean lookin stinkers, press q, press left mouse on head

they dead as hell

[tall torrent]

Because melee kills them faster than gun does

[terse idol]

Because it has insane cleave and a strong BP on a crusher

[rigid pilot]

It's okay just get the other 3 players to deal with bruisers, it's a team game

[thorn lark]

a horde of bruisers is real pain and real dangerous

[pastel yew]

that's true

[thorn lark]

because if you don't kill them fast they will tank you

[pastel yew]

honestly I think the rager enemies have always been fine

controversial take

[thorn lark]

and fuck you or drain your stam

[terse idol]

I just don't think you actually want to shoot most melee trash mobs

[pastel yew]

I think they were fine even before they got nerfed

and their spawn count gimped

[terse idol]

Scab bruiser included

[pastel yew]

people complained too hard on that

[thorn lark]

until the trappers or the dogs come

[rigid pilot]

Spoken like a true plasma main

Ragers are overrated pewpewpew

[terse idol]

I mean ragers specifically dredge ragers got buffed

[pastel yew]

not even though they got easier to kill after that patch

because their health was reduced

[terse idol]

More attack speed

[pastel yew]

this was recent

[rigid pilot]

Doesn't matter if you use plasma

[pastel yew]

I'm talking many many moons ago

[terse idol]

Yes the hp changss

[pastel yew]

I use more than just the plasma gun

[terse idol]

Which also, changed the spawn rate

If I recaalll

[rigid pilot]

Nah maniac ragers take 15% more damage to the head now

Like straight up weaker

[pastel yew]

currently my vet has 8 different weapons for ranged that are kitted

[pastel yew]

thats the one

I will admit

they could spawn in some pretty goofy numbers...

but I thought it was funny

they were a joke enemy after that change for ages

[terse idol]

they also attack faster 😌

[pastel yew]

and they're still not ideal

[tall torrent]

The current Dreg ragers need spawn reduced

[rigid pilot]

Just kill them faster then!!

[coral willow]

looks like a MHW weapon

[pastel yew]

though I am a bit of a sadist, I enjoyed the mad gunner damage we had

[terse idol]

They're simply trying to make them different to Scab Ragers

Hence the AS change

[pastel yew]

oh lmao, it's the weapon customization mod. changed it to this for a bit as a meme

it looks like a funny pirate hand

when you're holding it

no hand, big blade instead

[terse idol]

But anyways, minmaxed recipticle very good

Rashb

[rigid pilot]

RushB

[pastel yew]

I've heard the shovels are pretty dope but

honestly I'm not really seeing what they bring that other weapons dont

I guess I should probably build one of the funny one shot mega thrust shovels

but the regular ones seem kinda eh... not bad just no real strong identity

[terse idol]

Sapper shovel with thrust

The regular shovel is pretty good Horde Control

[tall torrent]

Low point cost for sharpshooter builds and doesn’t struggle vs a specific Armor type besides unyielding

[terse idol]

That's it's whole deal, also decent defense

[tall torrent]

However the new shock mauls are kinda just better?

[rigid pilot]

It has the highest dodge count in the game

6

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Huh

[pastel yew]

I guess that's fair, though if I wanted to knock poxwalkers down and not kill them I'd use a thunder hammer

[rigid pilot]

Shovel smooving

[pastel yew]

also wow that's actually kinda fun

[rigid pilot]

Take a shovel and dodge

6/6 owo

The standard issue

[pastel yew]

ducking and weaving

I'm glad the weapons we got this patch are all generally pretty good

bolt pistol was top of my list for weapon inclusions forever

I know a lot of people were not happy at getting shovels constantly

lmao

[tall torrent]

what

[pastel yew]

+1 from a skill?

[rigid pilot]

Not 6?

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Veteran does not have +dodge count skill, that’s psyker

[pastel yew]

there's a +1 dodge count somewhere... that might be a psyker skill though

yeah

[rigid pilot]

I definitely recall 6

[terse idol]

max 5

[pastel yew]

still 5 is quite high

[terse idol]

😭

[rigid pilot]

Sus me

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5 is standard for melee weapons

[winter grove]

Psyker shovel gaming hello?

[rigid pilot]

Psyker doesn't get shovel

[pastel yew]

alas

the world isn't ready

[winter grove]

Yeah exactly

[pastel yew]

for scriers gaze shovel

[winter grove]

I thought you're tripping

[rigid pilot]

it came to me in a dream

[thorn lark]

psyker had infinite 😭 😭 😭

[rigid pilot]

Lmao that was too OP for no reason

Anytime you get stuck in a bad situation is time to crab walk to the next room

Almost nothing could touch you

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Was that intended

[rigid pilot]

It was intended probably

[winter grove]

Psyker doesn't get shovel in tutorial does he?

[rigid pilot]

But do we really know what fatshark intends

[pastel yew]

do they?

[rigid pilot]

Is close range a bug or intended

[winter grove]

Did fatshark intend that one beast of nurgle throwing me off the start of the new map I wonder

[rigid pilot]

In the forums the moderators noted it as "acknowledged" as a bug but the recent hotfix said it was intended

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Btw the shock mauls’ heavy overhead atks have the same cleave as heavy sweeps

[pastel yew]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-xqcl-gif-25519231

[rigid pilot]

Intended cleave value

[pastel yew]

the boltgun recoil sway bug was acknowledged over a year ago

I think

[tall torrent]

Yea overhead with 10 cleave

Up to 11.1

At 80% crowd control

[rigid pilot]

For you to hit ragers with I guess

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https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c7e90c9-a2b3-49a5-ac58-b99453313003/lp-crit Thoughts on this build? Infil las pistol focused on deadshot, shock trooper and weapon specialist

[rigid pilot]

People also thought assail being affected by uncanny was a feature and not a bug, alas the interactions and many similar were removed

[pastel yew]

don't really need shock trooper with the laspistol but if you wanna be shooting constantly it won't be the worst, the same with deadshot

[rigid pilot]

But now assail is affected by puncture on bistols

They forgor

[hidden badge]

Yeah that's true actually since the ammo conservation isn't too bad

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Not taking iron will is kinda insane

[radiant chasm]

No way

[pastel yew]

yeah I agree, sorta depends you can save more ammo that way. you don't really need to ads with the laspistol either which means you can save your stamina.

[radiant chasm]

Is it always or just juggling

Ie you have to swap to bolt pistol

[pastel yew]

no fucking way

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That's why I have infil reduced as much as I can

[radiant chasm]