veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Mk6 is better

[austere pine]

mk3 is simpler to use in all aspects but also doesn't reward skillful play. mk6's bash attack is by far the strongest and most versatile power sword attack you can get at the cost of it being a bash attack (meaning if you mistime enemy hits you can out of stam yourself and die) and it being a very precise stab which you might miss

the mk6 also gets some block efficiency to combat out of stamming yourself because you basically always do it with the weapon

because it can push enemies to cancel the charge up animation

[odd sparrow]

mk 6 has push-attack followed up by a strikedown(massive single target dmg), meaning that with a very short combo you can kill a crusher.

it also has 25% block cost reduction.

while losing basically nothing compared to the mk 3 power sword

[austere pine]

sorta worse heavy attacks

i'd call them worse but they're not bad at all and i prefer them

[odd sparrow]

going from horizontal to diagonal is an incredibly small loss

[austere pine]

they're not even that diagonal

it's just not a flat line

[glad mango]

is wrath better than slaughterer for a mk6?

[tall torrent]

No, but slaughterer isn’t best either

Ideally u want power cycler + brutal momentum/sunder

[glad mango]

ah ok thanks i was just having trouble deciding between 2 mk6s i had

guess il just consecrate my power cycler into the wrath slot

[muted knot]

So has anyone figured out which Blessings make the boltpistol good ?

[radiant chasm]

would it not just be deadly accurate surgical?

[muted knot]

I havent really figured its niche Out yet but i Love the fact that we have the iconic Bolt Pistol now

[light ridge]

Surgical because I tend to aim at least a little for most shots

[muted knot]

The recoil seems to be very fucky with it

[real osprey]

do I spend tokens?
Iwas thinking I could at least acquire the IV fire frenzy, if it's any good

[marble mantle]

What perks should I go for on WS lawbringer?

And blessings

[austere pine]

just... grab the FF i guess

or sell it if you want to roll more

3/4 things you could get on the weapon are garbo

[real osprey]

unfortunate

[toxic cedar]

has anyone got a good veteran build for the new bolt pistol?

trying to make it work better but it’s driving me nuts sometimes

[proper delta]

you got a lot of options.
Deadly Accurate with weapons specialist crit chance is good for damage
run n gun makes firing headshots while spriting pretty accurate
surgical guarantees crit when you have to ads
puncture iv + 25% maniac one shot bodyshots trappers
lethal proximity turns it into pocket sand up close with aoe stagger, might pair well with execution which adds damage on stagger

[proper delta]

i am currently running deadly accurate + run n gun on weapons specialist

my opinion is dont bother ADSing with it unless you have to until they fix the confirmed aim bugs on the bolters

[marble mantle]

No suggestions?

[marble mantle]

What aim bugs

[gilded cobalt]

Game actively taunted me. 6 power swords in a row upgraded to have power cycler 3. I have over a hundred power swords upgraded. One day I will have one with 4

[proper delta]

idk which ones are bugs versus intended shittiness but they're claiming they're confirmed bugs on reddit. the snapping ads thing makes the boltpistol suck at snapshotting tho, aim for a head without ADS and then ADS and you'll notice the sight is very commonly to the left or right of where your crosshair was centered

i believe it happens on the bolter too

but basically if you ADS with the bolt weapons you have to reacquire your target in the sight or you are gambling

they only acknowledged it tho didn't confirm it was a bug so it might just be that they're intended to be shit at aiming

[torn gorge]

bolt pistol just suffers from the current recoil recovery system

[tall torrent]

Flak + maniac (flamer 1 shot, elite dps)

Maniac is more important tho

[torn gorge]

but that can be said of most weapons especially in the context of burst firing

[marble mantle]

Bet, blessings?

[proper delta]

i mean you're gonna miss if you try to do this with it

[marble mantle]

Oh weird

[torn gorge]

thats not recoil

[tall torrent]

Manstopper, no respite, full bore, scattershot

Any 2 of these 4

[marble mantle]

Thankies thankies

[proper delta]

there's also something weird with the recoil but i can't put my finger on it

[marble mantle]

Think ill do manstopper and something else

Manstopper bumps too hard

[torn gorge]

thats prob the result of the instant_sway parameter

[proper delta]

idk what it is exactly but if you spam shots with the boltpistol i swear the reticule is not accurate

[torn gorge]

and akin to bolter i would not be surprised if the weapon was in fact more precise when ADSing while moving

as opposed as standing still

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent you know the shock mauls?

[proper delta]

i just try not to ADS with the boltpistol ever

[fleet thicket]

i think they get insane benefit from desperato

[tall torrent]

I didn’t use them much

[fleet thicket]

i see tbf

i been running this build on infiltrate

i think the shotgun makes up fro their low unyeilding damage

[light ridge]

Which makes Surgical work quite well

[tall torrent]

Tbh if I’m running shock maul I’d go for smth like Boltgun/Columnus for boss dmg lol

[fleet thicket]

didnt colombnus get nerfed?

[last parcel]

ciag with racist fire

[tall torrent]

Crit string nerfed, then close range redefined (buff)

[fleet thicket]

i think bolter is overkill you kiill anything not uyielding tbf so why take it when shotgun got insane unyeidling damage too no?

[tall torrent]

Cuz Boltgun gets to do this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1259289688955424798/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.06_-_19.19.36.04.mp4?ex=668b246a&is=6689d2ea&hm=e70406fbff6caac324e861bcf1453043e38362dcb1827d8b386dcd407f7de297&

(This is not a magdump Boltgun set-up)

I don’t play Columnus cuz it’s boring

[fleet thicket]

cant you do something similar

on this ?

i mean look at that lawbringers daamge XD

[tall torrent]

Try shooting at one in meat grinder

[fleet thicket]

let me get a beast of nurgle then XD

yeah its hard to hit chaos spawn

or

the demon host

but i worked with beast

[dusty sluice]

dump stats on new shotgun?

[pseudo fiber]

mobility if I had to guess

[torn escarp]

what blessings are yall running on the mk6 power sword

[dusty sluice]

doesn't have it :3

[pseudo fiber]

power cycler

[dusty sluice]

pc and sunder

sunder or bm

[pseudo fiber]

Brutal momentum
sunder or... the other one that starts with an s
slaughterer is okay too

[torn escarp]

what does sunder do again

[dusty sluice]

cleave without needing headshots

[pseudo fiber]

you trying to gaslight me

[dusty sluice]

wait

im blind

so used to it on the left

[last parcel]

gaslight

gatekeep

[dusty sluice]

no

right

[last parcel]

girlboss

[dusty sluice]

guh

[pseudo fiber]

usually it's where stopping power is ye

how important is collateral

[dusty sluice]

bm is better for 1 shots/hitting bps, sunder is better for cleaving anything

[odd sparrow]

its not important at all

so that boltgun is amazingly statted

[pseudo fiber]

hadron time

alright

bad start

[dusty sluice]

mine started off similar lol

[pseudo fiber]

crafting update it is!

[toxic cedar]

wait it’s ads is bugged

[dusty sluice]

this is the silly thing

[dusty sluice]

good point

[pseudo fiber]

that's damn good

[dusty sluice]

11 shock mauls into hadron

all bricked

[crimson pebble]

Rn im just throwing all my plasteel at trying to get manstopper for double barrel on a lvl 20 character

[real osprey]

how should I mod this shovel
I'm pretty satisfied with the perks but I'm unsure of what blessings to give in the future and at the moment

[pseudo fiber]

holy moly

uncanny

that';s it

over skullcrusher

[crimson pebble]

Just wait till you get uncanny strike change out skull crusher wnd maybe change maniac to flak

[dusty sluice]

put uncanny on it and test what bps you currently hit imo

[real osprey]

I've got uncanny III
should I just do that now?

[crimson pebble]

Yes

[real osprey]

alrighty

[pseudo fiber]

still insane roll

[dusty sluice]

i just waited for brunt to give me it

didn't take long

[crimson pebble]

I got it on the reg shotguns from melk while trying to get for double barrel so got that atleast if they ever buff them

[dusty sluice]

wait fuck do they not share blessings

[crimson pebble]

No

[dusty sluice]

ughhh

[crimson pebble]

Prognosis shared pain and suffering

[pseudo fiber]

they don't share blessings so

[dusty sluice]

time to fun ff until the crafting update

[pseudo fiber]

get armoury exchange

[dusty sluice]

i do lol

[pseudo fiber]

fair

that's all

[crimson pebble]

Does that work w console

[pseudo fiber]

ye

I think so

[tall torrent]

Skullcrusher to uncanny, maniac to flak if u want

[sharp epoch]

guys im too lazy to test wat best shockmaul and blessing

[dusty sluice]

spent 300k dockets and this is the best i get lmao

[limpid turtle]

M-mobility is a dump stat anyways right guys?

[marble mantle]

Yo should I do scattershot and manstopper for lawbringer? Sounds like a really good combo

[tall torrent]

Works

[marble mantle]

Oh no

[marble mantle]

Bet

[hallow stream]

I've been saving resources for the new rework

not worth spending 300k dockets each time for a new weapon, so just make do with what you have

by the time rework is here you would have a massive pool of resources

[faint beacon]

Another huge tip

Stock any and all blessings you don’t have

It’ll make mastery more easier

[serene bough]

master deez nuts

[marble mantle]

I mean have fun waitin multiple months

Not me

[pseudo fiber]

This is my current one

[dusty sluice]

oh nice

need DA iv

[pseudo fiber]

I am also torn between flak or maniac on this

[limpid turtle]

Can autoguns no longer accept fire frenzy or what?

Because i extracted one from a Braced Autogun and i can not put it on a normal autogun... wtf?

[tall torrent]

Because braced autogun & infantry autogun are 2 separate weapon types

[limpid turtle]

Well thats ass.

[marble mantle]

If we got a riot shield with shock maul I would be so happy

[pallid jetty]

just a shield would be lame

[swift bear]

Thoughts? What should I do with it? I have one more to roll

[pallid jetty]

maniac

[swift bear]

how about skullcrusher instead? or is hammerblow pretty good you think?

[pallid jetty]

what is skullcrusher

[pallid jetty]

the impact one is not bad

they all are good

but unyeilding is def not what you want

[swift bear]

true

[marble mantle]

Shock maul + shield

Or maybe like

Shock shield

[pallid jetty]

just a shield would be lame

[marble mantle]

Taser shield

[pallid jetty]

people would wine

taser shield sounds better

special attack with reload time

the taser

or big stamina cost

[marble mantle]

Fulfill my riot cop enforcer fantasy

[clear lantern]

give to Hadron and obtain blessing

[idle pecan]

was reccomended to help with melee survivability

[clear lantern]

I mean, I guess

[toxic leaf]

onslaught isnt really a great perk over rending

[idle pecan]

(what is rending)

[toxic leaf]

the node right next to the ogryn node in bottom middle

[thorn lark]

maybe it's an autogun build with stripped down

[tall torrent]

Rending strikes in middle

[idle pecan]

what does rending do

[toxic leaf]

really vet survivability boils down to using voc, killing elites/specials to charge it up faster, and making sure you're not running out on your own into a hail of melee and gunfire

[thorn lark]

it boost your dmg against armor basically

[somber axle]

Improves your damage against armour types that your weapon does reduced damage to

[last parcel]

is this still the ciag build

[toxic leaf]

because of toughness drill

[tall torrent]

Veteran’s survivability mainly comes from “killing everything as fast as possible” which is very on brand for the imperium

[last parcel]

KILLING COMES FIRST

SURVIVAL, SECOND

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAA

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[toxic leaf]

use voc, stay in coherency with some of your jabroni comrades, and then kill stuff to charge it up faster

[thorn lark]

SKULLS FOR THE GOLDEN THRONE

[toxic leaf]

vet pretty tanky that way

[somber axle]

Say your weapon has an ADM (armour damage modifier) of 0.5 vs Carapace. Every shot is doing half damage. If you get 10% rending it means now you do 60% damage instead of 50%. But this can translate into more than just a 10% damage increase depending on the weapon and damage value. Say your gun normally does 100 damage per shot but only does 50 vs Carapace. The 10% rending pushes that to 60 damage instead. But that's a 20% damage increase going from 50 to 60

If you already have a 1.0 ADM then each 10% rending beyond that is only a 1% damage increase

[thorn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[somber axle]

So be aware that it does have disminishing returns that hit pretty hard

Also keep aware that rending is only useful if it increases damage enough to help you hit a breakpoint by improving your ADM

[tall torrent]

Like, it doesn’t matter how u build veteran, your survivability basically always comes in the form of “kill everything to survive”

It embodies the imperium so much I love it

[somber axle]

I have a funny Boltpistol build that can 1HKO Crushers

[stiff vector]

oh i picked onslaught cuz i saw the video someone posted earlier of being able to just shred crushers with the recon lasguns so i picked it

[somber axle]

And rending helps it achieve an ADM to hit that single shot kill

[clear lantern]

Just shoot ze bolter at ze enemy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aJnulY29mY

[marble mantle]

Yeah pretty much

[austere mica]

Same, you are a bad influence

[idle pecan]

onslaught is insane compared to rending no?

[somber axle]

The best part? This is impossible with Weapon Specialist and Focus Target

[austere mica]

And you don’t need longshot I think except for other breakpoints

[idle pecan]

this takes 2 clips with rending and 1clip with onslaught

[somber axle]

You need both the rending from Chink in their Armour AND Rending Strikes to do that LMFAO

[marble mantle]

I find it’s pretty easy to survive as vet. exe stance is a little different, but still definitely doable

[stiff vector]

I shoot gunners first. Only IM allowed to relentless fire into my teammates

[austere mica]

Mine can onetap at absolute point blank

[somber axle]

Anyway at work LESSON OVER BYE GOOD LUCK KILLING HERETICS

[stiff vector]

You can name your guns?

[idle pecan]

mod

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-krabs-back-to-work-spongebob-get-back-to-work-krusty-krab-gif-16474125980856176144

[stiff vector]

Boo

[marble mantle]

4 more metalfab missions

[clear lantern]

surrender to Hadron and obtain blessing

[somber axle]

Onslaught is only 2.5% brittleness per stack and only 1 stack per shot (does not apply stacks on dot effects like Infernus) so it has very poor value on anything that isn't very fast fire rate. A Recon Mk VId can use Onslaught to achieve the fastest time to kill and highest DPS vs Crushers but none of the other Recons have a fire rate fast enough to compare

Brittleness is better than Rending imo because it debuffs the target's armour, it's not just improving your own ADM

It means anything hit with brittleness is now weaker to the whole squad

And Onslaught has a cap of 16 stacks

[idle pecan]

ah ok, the ciagv fires dummy fast which is prolly why onslaught feels so strong on it

[somber axle]

2.5% x 16 = 40% Brittleness

Which is really good on the CIAG too

16 shots fly by FAST

Very good for improving Crusher kill

Do not pick up Onslaught on the Recon Mk II and DEFINITELY do not pick up Onslaught on the Recon Mk VIIa (slowest fire rate variant of the Recons) because the fire rate is too low to have any impact

[last parcel]

not even weapon specialist can save onslaught with the VIIa

[austere mica]

I think it’s really funny how the bolt pistol has higher single target damage potential than a full bolt rifle

[tall torrent]

Depends

Breakpoints are fairly close

[austere mica]

In a single shot*

[faint beacon]

The only thing the bolt gun has going for it is Penetration and that’s barely even a factor

[idle pecan]

with vet i was thinking of taking 2 tough 1 stam
perks would be
2 gunner
2 bomber
2 stam regen

that sound fine?

[last parcel]

cauliflower

[tall torrent]

What’s ur reasoning

[last parcel]

post the screenshot

[idle pecan]

2 tough for more health, 1 stam for deadshot
stam regen for deadshot
2 gunner for obvious reasons
2 bomber because fire is op

[fiery wave]

Bomber?

[idle pecan]

the guys who throw fire nades / gas nades at you

[tall torrent]

2 toughness is not extra health tho

[fiery wave]

How often are you standing in fire

[idle pecan]

too much

[last parcel]

also doesn't bomber resist just protect against the kick or did they fix that

[tall torrent]

It does reduce dmg from bombers but usually you want to get out of their atks as fast as possible

Or don’t get hit by their attacks

[fiery wave]

I take 1 of each curio other than wound, 3x gunner damage resistance thanks @slow sky, 2x bcr 2x stam

[tall torrent]

All u need is 200+ health and 20% sniper resist, everything else is up to preference

[toxic leaf]

health?

[clear lantern]

grimoire corruption resistance

and grab both

[tall torrent]

Sniper & Poxburster breakpoints

[toxic leaf]

you mean health health or toughness?

[tall torrent]

Health

[clear lantern]

+HP%

[toxic leaf]

what am i breakpointing at 200 hp

[clear lantern]

maybe you can get a rare +21% HP like I have

[tall torrent]

2 Poxburster/sniper hits without down, 1 Poxburster/sniper hit at full 1 wound without dying

[toxic leaf]

i see

[tall torrent]

There’s not much else you can build for in terms of defense breakpoints on curios for veteran

[idle pecan]

so would this be good?

[clear lantern]

I've seen someone get OHK'd with only 1 wound left.

[clear lantern]

I'd wear it

[tall torrent]

If u run 2x health curio you can reach 200+ very easily which gives u more options on what perks u want

If u run 1 of each (health + toughness + stamina), you’ll need 2~3 +health curio perks which limits ur options a bit more

[slow sky]

wdym thanks

the fact that you swapped to gunner resist?

[tall torrent]

Personally I think 3x sprint efficiency is BiS

(Unironically)

[slow sky]

counterargument
stamina regen helps with that and also blocking at the same time

[serene bough]

I like Stam regen and block efficiency

[idle pecan]

what should i replace curio with on this one

[last parcel]

become a sprint efficiency enjoyer

become free

[idle pecan]

i have 1 sniper res already so i dont think i need another

i dont sprint anyway

i use deadshot

[last parcel]

[idle pecan]

why use stamina to move fast when i can use stamina to shoot good

[marble mantle]

Dude I’ve bought like 30 lawbringers and not a single one has been over 360

Fuck

[tall torrent]

Stamina regen is good too but there’s something magical about +63% sprint time

[last parcel]

that's darktide baby

[tall torrent]

U rly have to play with 3x sprint efficiency to feel how much impact it makes

3x +15% sprint efficiency
3x +10% dockets

BiS

[last parcel]

skirmisher overkill value

[slow sky]

this is like using an ultimate end of game spell on a level 1 goblin just because you can

[last parcel]

they shall know fear

[proper delta]

when you get to enjoy the real game

[fleet thicket]

guys

what doess sunder do for pwoer sword/

[thorn lark]

cleave through armor

https://youtu.be/mqLFHXK5aaA?si=zWFVGtrajiKUMk9H

[fleet thicket]

is this good then?

[thorn lark]

yeah really

not sure avout the maniac perk tho, i tend to use carapace instead but that's on a mk6

[fleet thicket]

oh htis is a mark 3 tbf

[tall torrent]

Swap maniac to carapace

[fleet thicket]

update your guide man!

XD

[thorn lark]

it's a 3 not a 6

[tall torrent]

I can send u the WIP version rn

I’m not gonna post it here until it’s fully done

[fleet thicket]

i see okay then thx

[tall torrent]

Sent in DM just now

[marble mantle]

I am about to eat Brunt

Can’t have shit

I’m so mad I’m bout to do mystery acquisition from melk

Also can someone explain to me how to use smokes

I feel like I end up throwing them randomly

[toxic leaf]

what do i replace here, if anything? been using this for a while, still have 1 mod slot

[thorn lark]

do you reach the os bp on both bruisers?

[toxic leaf]

yes

[tall torrent]

Personally
I’d replace decimator with headtaker

But I’m just a dedicated decimator hater

[toxic leaf]

lol

any reason why the hate?

[tall torrent]

Headtaker stacks are a lot easier to maintain

It stacks per target hit, not per swing
Lasts longer
Doesn’t drop all stacks on miss

[thorn lark]

you lost deci stacks too fast and gain them too slowly

[toxic leaf]

hmm, makes sense

i only have headtaker 3, not even 4 lol

[thorn lark]

that's fine

[toxic leaf]

oh man i did some testing just to make sure im not being dumb

and sure enough, im like 2 damage off one shotting the flak armoured bruiser

my axe is basically as well rolled as it can be, what the hell do i need to get a natural 1 shot on that guy

more finesse obviously but like hell im gonna get somthing better than this lol

[thorn lark]

you need higher finesse or flak perk or more melee node?

[toxic leaf]

yea obv flak armoured would do it

[thorn lark]

i have a 80*4 rashad on my zealot, it doesn't reach bp straight out of the box, i need to have some juice to do it

[toxic leaf]

what headtaker?

[tall torrent]

Get +melee dmg talents

[toxic leaf]

yea i dont notice not one shotting in missions, usually decimator is working when those guys are mixed in

[tall torrent]

Usually Rashad goes down bottom right for 5% melee dmg + CQKZ + desperado + 25 toughness + 10% atk speed

[thorn lark]

bm3 headtaker4 yeah, or momentum or martyr

[tall torrent]

U just need headtaker + sustained assault stacks up

It’s just QoL at that point

[thorn lark]

i said straight out of the box

but well, when am i without stacks? 😄

[toxic leaf]

thats my tree, i dont think there are any more +dmg nodes for me to grab

i think i need juice

[tall torrent]

What gun are u using

[toxic leaf]

revolver

[thorn lark]

with hand cannon and surgical?

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515648206512168/1258173193458552932/IMG_5319.png?ex=668dac19&is=668c5a99&hm=469c0147282852f682444e9064e3566898544a3a9577d3e2a897103d96cb8da9&

Modify based on ur needs

U don’t need rending strikes on either Rashad or revolver

[toxic leaf]

ya

[tall torrent]

Move speed aura has 10% melee dmg and agile engagement above which you should always take if ur not going survivalist

[thorn lark]

yeah, no rending strikes then

[toxic leaf]

oh oops

hold on

[tall torrent]

And exploit weakness just isn’t very good

Take 25 toughness instead

[marble mantle]

So it’s more like a, drop beneath me, or throw at unalerted enemies?

[toxic leaf]

i had the wrong nodes selected, i took the 10% melee

[tall torrent]

Drop at urself or at where you’re moving towards

[marble mantle]

Okay okay bet thanks

[thorn lark]

also, with the revolver, give yourtself a gift and take suppression immunity

[tall torrent]

It’s not necessary

[marble mantle]

Last metalfab mission

[tall torrent]

Zarona is immune to suppression in hipfire, and it has perfect hipfire accuracy

[thorn lark]

maybe, but also surgical

[toxic leaf]

ok so this is my real tree (with dropped rending and exploit weakness changd out for 25 toughness)

[tall torrent]

U ads for surgical stacks and longer range shots

[toxic leaf]

i dont think there is anymore +melee left

[tall torrent]

That should be fine

You shouldn’t be missing breakpoints with this

[toxic leaf]

i do 673 to flak bruisers

[tall torrent]

With headtaker stacks up?

[thorn lark]

so 10 hp short

[toxic leaf]

no, off the rip

[tall torrent]

Oh then it’s not a problem

You get headtaker stacks super easily, it’s just QoL at that point

[toxic leaf]

yea i 1 shot after 1 decimator stack currently

so 1 headtaker is the same

[thorn lark]

you can also do a push to gain stacks

[last parcel]

always queue with a redirect fire vet to hit the bp

[toxic leaf]

haha

ok so im going to change headtaker 3 > decimator

and leave melee 10% elites

[thorn lark]

i have a question about run n gun

it;s not supposed to slow you down while sprinting right?

[tall torrent]

No

[thorn lark]

ok because it felt like it was doing exactly that yesterday when i was doing a run with my zealot, using swift certainty

i experienced a slow down every time i was sprinting and gunning

[tall torrent]

Hmm could be a bug?

Try in meat grinder and record, see if there’s a mathematical difference

If so, report on FS forums

[thorn lark]

well, it was late but it felt like i was reverting to og sprint speed

yeah, will do that

[marble mantle]

Finally, shift leader primus

Do y’all think Professional is the most fitting personality for an enforcer? Or nah

[wraith locust]

whats best way to deal with rager packs + hordes

like 5 or 6 ragers mixed with horde

on rashad

do i just light spam while dodging bcak

[marble mantle]

Was thinking either this or cutthroat

Additionally, should I be using the slug instead of the lawbringer?

I’ll probably get both anyway

[bronze patio]

Is this a good shotgun?

[last parcel]

i'd stick with lawbringer for the name, but loading the agri reminds of loading a shotgun with beanbag rounds for riot control

[marble mantle]

THAT WAS exactly what I was thinking

[last parcel]

just that you're going more lethal instead of less than lethal

[marble mantle]

Like literally on the nose

[last parcel]

that would be painful

[marble mantle]

True

[woeful ibex]

Change Unyielding to either Flak (Scabs) or Unarmored (Dregs)

Full bore is good

[marble mantle]

😔

So close

[last parcel]

you can use the ammo dumped one

only lost 4 shots

[marble mantle]

Yk what fair enough

[last parcel]

plus if you're gonna spam slug shots, the amount in the tube doesn't matter as much

[mortal orbit]

Good day to agri enjoyers. The nerf gun sound of the slug is the way

[marble mantle]

Kind of in between continuing to run VOC and running infiltrate. Does infiltrate have any riot cop vibes though? Idk. Like placement maybe

Infiltrate just really grew on me

[last parcel]

i can only imagine "unmarked black van rolls up and grabs protester" for infiltrate riot cop

[marble mantle]

I can rock with that

[last parcel]

voc fits the regular frontliner riot cop and doorkickers

[marble mantle]

Hmmmm

[coral willow]

infiltrate and shroudfield can uh special-infiltrate-heavy to immediately start getting 25% damage heavy attacks with sauls which is great

[marble mantle]

Maybe I just suck

[last parcel]

executioner's stance for the water cannon operator

[marble mantle]

I’m trynna be as useful as I was with infiltrate with VOC but I feel like I’m struggling

[coral willow]

mk6 recon for the water then?

[marble mantle]

Infiltrate was my easy out lawl

I just need to git gud

[last parcel]

yeah

[coral willow]

kek

[last parcel]

as long as you take duty and honour and just keep shouting, you should be useful

unless you're like constantly shouting bursters into people and ledging them

[marble mantle]

Fair enough lol

[midnight totem]

when my team gets thrown into a daemonhost and ambushed by gunners in blackout conditions and I end up as the last man standing

my whole team ragequit

[rigid pilot]

That's great isn't it

You get 3 bots and 3 new teammates

[midnight totem]

Yup

[rigid pilot]

I love it when people ragequit

[midnight totem]

Solo'd a few rooms, got my first new teammate, veteran with 4 wounds

[rigid pilot]

Don't let the door hit them on the way out

[midnight totem]

on Damnation

auric

At least he listened to me and we backtracked for supplies

[rigid pilot]

UWuounds

[midnight totem]

two ogryns joined in on the second to last area and we finished the game easily, it was an assassination

easy money

[fleet thicket]

Guys

Is it me

Or power sword 3 really needs that attack speed talent ?

I keep getting hit with it

[midnight totem]

Doesn't really need it, but by god it is useful

[fleet thicket]

I have to give up

Suppression immunity

If I take it

Which I think I need alot with aggrpinaa HH

[coral willow]

yes

or get ps6

[fleet thicket]

I use to run this build with chainsword

Tbf

[midnight totem]

theres two basic ways to use a power sword, 1 you rely on its raw crowd clearing power and cleave to save ammo

other one is you go deep into enhancing attack speed, melee crit/finesse to squeeze the most out of it you can

[coral willow]

i mean like 25% attackspeed is all you get no?

how do you guys think about rending strikes for shredder nades?

should equally increase bleed damage across all enemies by 10% right?

[midnight totem]

the boost is minor, but it is there

I don't think it meets much in the way of breakpoints though

[rigid pilot]

3 nades required to clear up to maulers

Idk if the 10% would be the breakpoint to drop it to 2

But if you are hitting maulers with a peesword they are dead already so idk if this matters

[misty pulsar]

Is anyone able to babysit me through a challenge so I don’t get hit by melee??

Or is this the wrong section to ask those questions?

[last parcel]

if you want advice, ask here
you'll have better luck with babysitters in #vox-lfg-lexicanum regional channels

[clear lantern]

Someone was running that spreadsheet mod and telling us our stats and wanted to know how I shot so well but I was so fucked up on codiene cough syrup due to this summer cold I just told me I was intentionally aiming off because my eyes were so dizzy and everything was blurry

[tall torrent]

Tell him that u were merely aiming at warp entities not visible to him

[clear lantern]

I was also using a vraks and just clicking on anything that moved

codiene fucks you up

[mellow adder]

Is this knife worth it for the blessings?

[last parcel]

perks are shit but the executor blessing is worth sacrificing so you can put it on a mk VI

[mellow adder]

mb meant to ask if blessings are good

[austere mica]

No that is a very expensive brick

there are no redeeming qualities

even the stats are questionable

[last parcel]

the redeeming quality is that you can rip off executor

[onyx anvil]

powderburn must be exceedingly rare for the auto pistol because I've consecrated over 20 pistols now and have never seen it

[tall torrent]

Unless u rly want to play mk6 knife, no

[tall torrent]

Executor is good on mk6 knife, everything else bricked

[radiant chasm]

Nope just true rng

Someone out there has gotten powderburn 20 times in a row

[severe gale]

it was me

i got it like

6 times in a row a while ago

[junior needle]

It isn't very good

[umbral parrot]

So, can anyone do the math for me? I am debating on Demolition Stockpile or Demolition Team.

• Auric missions last about 30-ish min. And so that's about 60 grenades from Demolition Stockpile.

• 5% Demolition team for a game that can roughly kill about 200-300 Specials/Elites.

[tall torrent]

Demo stock is better most of the time

If u can’t get both, take stock

[umbral parrot]

Hmm, yea, you're right.

[tall torrent]

In auric you’ll spend most of the mission with 0~2 in reserve so demo stock will constantly be helping u

[umbral parrot]

I've been having stock for the longest time. But I have just been debating on going Infiltrate, skipping Stock and going for Demolition Team instead with the 1 point saved.

[tall torrent]

If ur running smoke and u don’t use smoke that much I could see a reason to forego stock

[umbral parrot]

Hm! Thinking makes my head hurt~! ! !

[tall torrent]

And take demo team instead

But even on smoke I find myself enjoying demo stock a lot more than demo team

Being able to pop cover whenever I need and shut down hounds & flamers is useful

Even though smoke doesn’t directly kill things

[umbral parrot]

Oh pfft, I only use smoke. I love that 10% damage buff.

And sprint speed.

[radiant chasm]

I like krak

[umbral parrot]

SAY ALL YOU WANT, but Frag is too far to the left, and I can already kill things faster than Krak.

[radiant chasm]

Smokin some krak

[umbral parrot]

Hah!

[radiant chasm]

Im on shooter/ranged elite spec duty

Since im sick of being swiss cheesed on ogryn and zealot

Kraks let me shut down armor and bulwarks as well

Recon buffs were perfect for the shooter buffs

Just infinite ammo trash sweepers

[umbral parrot]

Oh crap!

[austere mica]

Recon mk 7 is just

Hold the trigger and solve problems

[umbral parrot]

What do i do with an extra point now!?

I do wish Smoke Grenades pop faster.

I hate when i realize i'm ina firing squad, and i'm just dodging, hoping the smoke pops before i die lol.

Any tips with Infiltrate? Hmm...

[coral willow]

where me recon on zealot

smh

tbh i'd actually choose helbore 2/3 over recon

[tame lichen]

Is mk6 Power sword with Brutal momental and cycler still superior

[coral willow]

yes

[round dagger]

How would I go about getting a better weapon? Run damnations and hope for a drop? Melks?

[rigid pilot]

Bad blessings but

[round dagger]

yeah =/

[rigid pilot]

It's a plasma it's gonna delete

Just shoot them with your gun

[elder fiber]

Blessings on plasma are less important than stats n perks

[last parcel]

• buying high base rating weapons from the armory and upgrading it at hadron
• dumping dockets into brunt to hope for high base rating weapons then upgrading at hadron
• buying weapons with t4 blessings at melk to sacrifice to hadron to feed the other methods

[round dagger]

Hmmmm, alright. I wasn;t sure the brunt method would work.

[last parcel]

it works... eventually

you just gotta dump like 600k and you'll probably get one or two

[umbral parrot]

Hold the phone! This is for EVERYONE~!

[odd sparrow]

only you get grenades. But kills from allies do roll the chance

[coral willow]

what he said

if it was for all people probably would be more busted than demo stockpile

[last parcel]

replace fire team with demolition team

[coral willow]

people would genuinely saying surv is dead or something idk kek

sounds fun tho

zealot and ogryn nades get shafted cause sometimes the AI decides no nade boxes for a month

[frank ether]

the problem with surv is less about its strength but that its available on the aura slot

So its a team wide ammo buff that the other players get at no cost to their own playstyle

so when you think about the team aspect its value is suddenly quadrupled

[umbral parrot]

Lol thanks.

Still damn good

[frank ether]

its still great yeah

[odd sparrow]

a part of what makes surv crazy is also that you only need 1 teammate to get a kill and then all 4 players get ammo. So if you have several people shooting you actually get pretty close to ammo positive.

less so with the 5 second cd, but 4 vets is still incredibly consistent

[frank ether]

I just think surv should have been a vet only node for executioner or something

If I recall right the vet grenade regen thing also used to be teamwide though maybe its the painkillers messing with my brain lmao

[umbral parrot]

I think so yea.

[frank ether]

I just remember playing vet at release and thinking to myself damn we're spamming so many nades

[umbral parrot]

So... i'm REALLY enjoying Infiltrate.... like a lot.

Overwatch... do you guys think it's too much? 33% Cooldown?

For a 45 base cooldown?

[frank ether]

personally I take it

there will be a lot of downtime and special murders where it will gain both charges

the thing with infil is... its not an offensive ult

you don't really get great benefit from spamming it

[umbral parrot]

Yea, I'm taking it because there's lots of specialties to kill. But it really sucks in between combat.

[frank ether]

and if you try to turn it into an offensive ult its very, very expensive compared to voc

so might aswell take overwatch, and maybe the %90 threat node if you feel like a rat that day

[coral willow]

60 second cooldown

gives more flexibility at the cost of just taking forever to charge

but you usually get tac awareness

[frank ether]

I think what you want to make sure is to have enough toughness gen/toughness damage resistance

don't be that person who relies on coherence stuffs

[coral willow]

i do

[frank ether]

well suffer then lmao

[coral willow]

whatever you really do unless you are vet coherency is the best form of toughness regen still

vet you can just voc and the CK all over the map

[frank ether]

coherency is a meme

you get convenient ways to not rely on it as a veteran

[coral willow]

vet you can just ignore it usually yes unless you go exec and you might need it but thats about it

[mellow adder]

Salvageable or nah?

[junior needle]

2/4 bad, 1/4 meh, 1/4 wanted

[last parcel]

the infamous wrath psword

[frank ether]

it would be 3/4 unless you wanted to keep slaughterer (worse than brutal momentum / sunder)

you could keep it for some longsword memes though

it looks great for that

[coral willow]

best is wrath to power cycler and infested to whatever(unyielding, carapace)

i think

[junior needle]

You could replace both blessings and be fine

[frank ether]

I'd just replace both blessings

infested who cares

its a power sword

it will murk things

[junior needle]

I keep seeing so many auric pswords with locked in wrath

I'm not sure why

Is it some youtuber meme

[frank ether]

So I do play like, bromentum slaughterer mk3 for memes sometimes

Idk why would anyone take wrath over bromentum though

maybe its some elaborate trolling

[coral willow]

true i guess

because i dont think anyone actually understand brumentum hidden stat?

yknow the 4 damage same 1st target thing

[last parcel]

bro it's TWO HUNDRED cleave it's goated

[frank ether]

bromentum is poorly explained but that goes for many blessings

[coral willow]

also why not savage sweep i thought ps had those

[frank ether]

you'd be a buffoon to read blessing tooltips and take them for granted in a fatshark game

[coral willow]

which isnt for wrath

oh 200% more cleave = 200% more dead enemy

great logic

[frank ether]

honestly I feel like its a big problem but its not my problem

[coral willow]

i guess powerswords have a stun function

so it can be marginally useful?

maybe?

[frank ether]

in case of bromentum its so strong you don't even need to know the math to realize its bonkers

just swing it a few times and its kinda obvious

[coral willow]

idk better than heavy sword wrath headtaker ive seen a betatester guy unironically recommend

[junior needle]

You at least need to hit bruiser breakpoints to get the ZAMN out of it

Which can be particular depending on the weapon

[frank ether]

I agree

on a psword though? easy

[junior needle]

oh yeah for sure

[coral willow]

ps oneshots are... easy i guess

[junior needle]

But some people also refuse to click heads

[coral willow]

sunder brumentum might be funny

[umbral parrot]

3 3 3 stamina, revive speed, and Combat ability.

So i'm very squishy.

[coral willow]

does the brumentum not going through ogryns get canceled out by sunder now lol

[umbral parrot]

But damn, I am really liking Infiltrate. But i feel a bit greedy since i'm unable to push a horde for my team8s to survive. It's a lot of "Me" stuff when going down the right side.

Compared to VoC..... options are heavy!

But i am just doing about an hour of gameplay. It's prob a case of getting used to it. But i'm all ears on suggestions and tips.

[tall torrent]

it should be made into a vet baseline trait that benefits veteran himself alone, and the left aura should be replaced by smth else, maybe +15% reload/quell speed in coherency

[frank ether]

well there are ways you could still be relatively pretty survivable, but if you dont want to drop infiltrate I'd recommend getting both 25 toughness nodes. I assume u run deadshot so might want to also grab a stam cost reduction node to make your life easier. Focus mark keystone has some decent toughness/stam regen node aswell but if you're running weapon spec instead, I'd try to look at the top of the tree for toughness options.

[tall torrent]

one of the main functions of sunder is cleaving carapace, which didn't change

[frank ether]

I think its hard to give more specific advice without knowing the kinda weapons you run though, as builds are very weapon/playstyle dependant

maybe you run a revolver in which case you won't even need +9 stam and could probably drop one for a health or toughness curio

or maybe you run a ciag in which case go ham

[umbral parrot]

Erm... it's a byproduct of an old Deadshot build from release day. Which is why i'm a stamina addict, it ain't going anywhere.

I'm a Weapon Specialist that has a heavy focus on melee combat. Mainly use Chainswords or Powerswords, along with Plasma Gun. All of which focus on crit chance and weakspot damage.

[frank ether]

I recommend using iags with that kinda playstyle

[umbral parrot]

iags?

[frank ether]

infantry autoguns

the ones that can aim down sight and go brrr

not the braced ones, those are doodoo for deadshot

[umbral parrot]

Here's my build i'm testing out.

[frank ether]

I had many ideas for replacement auras but I kept giving up on them because I do not like the idea of gamechanging passives being put as team auras, honestly I kinda just hate the idea of auras in general I think

like I thought hey lets keep it around ranged vet focus since its left tree aura, like spread/recoil reduction or suppression immunity tied to a condition, but having any of this stuff tied to a class aura sounds bad

maybe just slap something like reload speed and be done with it lmao

[frank ether]

take the 25 toughness node over exploit weakness, it doesn't really do much for you.

also you have 2 stam cost reductions on a build with no deadshot, thats overkill

you could easily grab the other 25 toughness node, or grab iron will

lastly marksman doesn't do a whole lot for you unless you use infiltrate offensively, which I don't think it has great uptime for that

[flat crypt]

I'd give up the stams and marksman and take iron will and bring it down 🤔

[frank ether]

you could take bring it down after the 25 toughness for some nice ogryn/boss damage boost though I'll admit I'm not very experienced with bps on the plasmagun to yap much about it. I think there are others who did the math that can offer better advice for that.

[tall torrent]

Reload/quell speed would be a solid QoL option for most builds, and if the left side talents near aura are buffed to be actually worth picking it’ll be still good enough to consider going left on certain weapons

[frank ether]

yeah honestly it would synergize pretty well with exe since its kinda on a timer lmao

[tall torrent]

If Killzone was reworked to not deactivate the moment steps into melee range I think it wouldn’t be that bad

And change the 5% reload node to smth like -10% weapon recoil

Make it actually useful for ranged builds

Nobody cares about 5% reload speed

[frank ether]

I'd change it to ''when you haven't taken melee damage in X seconds'' or something of that nature

reward good footwork if you're dancing around chaff and hitting your shots

no one should be worrying about BPs over distancing while pulling off manuevers like that

[tall torrent]

Would rather just be “activates on any enemy X+m away”

[frank ether]

that sounds like longshot's long lost brother

[somber axle]

I refused to cheese and at last after not paying attention at all I got it entirely by accident

[tall torrent]

Longshot got nerfed this patch so

[somber axle]

I am now ass at this game

[frank ether]

oh? how bad?

[tall torrent]

Activates at 12.5m+ now

[frank ether]

A S S

[tall torrent]

Scales from 1~20% (20% at 30m)

[somber axle]

clown ass

[tall torrent]

It’s not worth taking anymore

This only rly changes breakpoint for WS plasma (huge nerf)

[frank ether]

I don't get fatshark's obsession with this ''close damage'' stuff but to tell you the truth I've grown more and more distant to ranged vet over time and stopped taking it altogether anyway

[tall torrent]

Because WS plasma doesn’t get to hit non-crit breakpoints anymore unless u take weird perk set-up

Plasma is basically exclusively a FT weapon now

It’s either FT or not worth playing

[frank ether]

I think the last straw for me was the BM nerf on helbore 3

[tall torrent]

The close range redefinition is overall a buff

CQKZ buffed
Dum dum buffed

[frank ether]

I think so for the blessings yeah

[tall torrent]

Everything that works off “close range” or “close range kill” got buffed

[frank ether]

I'm just yapping about why they nerfed those in the first place

felt like 15m was fine

and maybe this is them admitting it was fine all along

[tall torrent]

The only nerf is on longshot and it only matters for 1 gun on 1 specific build

[frank ether]

but can't really, really admit it

so they had to settle on 12.5m instead

[somber axle]

Do you think there are any crazy Vets out there doing an Exe Stance + Plasma build

and just making it work in a wonky way?

[frank ether]

yes, except they don't make it work lmao. I revive their ass on a daily basis almost

[somber axle]

That makes more sense LOL

[frank ether]

how do you fail with plas/psword builds I don't know

[last parcel]

wall hacks + wallbang

kill all yellow targets

[somber axle]

They call me the Wall
because I get smashed into paste against walls

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-20427825

[crimson pebble]

So im trying the rashad finally and like am i just losing it or is this thing just rlly slow

[frank ether]

honestly I'm fine with the longshot nerf, I think its overall positive change.

[umbral parrot]

Thanks. Unless there's a Carapace boss, I can already punch through armor.

[tall torrent]

There are because wallhack + wallbang is a busted combo

[tall torrent]

Well it only nerfed 1 gun on 1 specific build so

[somber axle]

It sounds really fun

[frank ether]

well I havent rly been taking longshot or kill zone in most of my builds lately anyhow

[tall torrent]

It’s just that

[somber axle]

...does it do ok boss damage?

Can you make Plasma do funny things with Exe Stance to bosses?

[tall torrent]

You’re taking plasma what do u think

[frank ether]

most of my boss killer builds that actually use range involve shoving the barrel into the monstro's face so neither would do anything for me anyhow

[tall torrent]

I hope ur not magdumping boss with a plasma

[somber axle]

I have no idea tbh. No one ever shares videos of Plasma vs bosses, just revolvers or boltgun or like anything else

I don't touch Plasma usually LOL

[frank ether]

Idk why people obsess with boltgun vs boss when agri revo exists

it does it so much cleaner, with style

[last parcel]

stupid a fucking gun

you got a bee in you hat

[tall torrent]

It’s usually not worth because it’s like ~Rashad dps on weakspot until u have to vent (which makes it way slower overall), and it just wastes ammo

[somber axle]

Because holding a mini-fridge sized gun that explodes things violently and has a satisfying explosion sound is fun even if it's less functional

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[tall torrent]

Well yea cuz longshot was build specific (and is not worth taking now), and Killzone just exists

[somber axle]

Imagine being that squad of gunners walking down the hallway and suddenly flash of superheated plasma through 7 of your squadmates giving you just 1 second to process sheer terror before you get deleted LMFAO

[tall torrent]

Killzone is the 2nd worst +dmg talent in vet’s tree right next to skirmisher

Having ur breakpoints turned off because 1 guy walked inside 8m is bad no matter how u put it

[last parcel]

WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT COME FR-

[tall torrent]

It needs a complete rework

[frank ether]

I dont think anything comes close to skirmisher levels of bad

I have an easy solution to solve the gun part of right tree though

but you might hate it

[somber axle]

Plasma is so funny thematically as the "don't use this against bosses" weapon despite the lore, and Revolvers as the "I do literally everything and even kill bosses faster than anything else" weapon despite literally just being a basic gun LMFAO

[frank ether]

because it involves nuking onslaught

[tall torrent]

Genuinely don’t care about that talent

[mellow adder]

should I swap No respite or keep it?

[tall torrent]

Onslaught can die in a ditch for all I care

[somber axle]

OH WAIT

MAYBE THAT'S HOW THEY FIX CHARGED SHOTS ON PLASMA

[tall torrent]

Remove this cringe brittle stack

[somber axle]

Give it a MASSIVE bonus vs Unyielding

Make it the boss killing shots on Plasma

[tall torrent]

It’s better to make a new blessing for it than to buff charge shots directly

[last parcel]

give it +13% groaner damage too

[tall torrent]

Just make a new blessing, every 1% heat gives +0.5/1/1.5/2% ranged power on charged shots

[somber axle]

I don't really mind how it happens, this is like the one kind of buff for one of the meta weapons I'd actually be wholeheartedly behind and approve of: making them more fun AND lore accurate!

[tall torrent]

At 60% heat that’s +120% ranged power on a charged shot

[somber axle]

Let Plasma kill bosses really good please

It SHOULD

Making Charged Shots have a purpose as the boss killing shots just sounds really fun

They wouldn't even need to change uncharged shots at all either

[coral willow]

onslaught is a badly designed perk

[coral willow]

so extra unyielding damage like agripina revos?

on charge shot exclusive?

[somber axle]

Yes

To give charged shots a purpose

Uncharged shots are just not worth spamming at bosses now even on funny Exe Stance builds

[coral willow]

i do

better than damage than none for now

[somber axle]

So make charged shots the thing Plasma can do vs bosses better than uncharged shots

preserves the identity/balance of uncharged shots while giving purpose to charged shots that doesn't steal away function from uncharged shots

and does it in a way that is lore accurate too!

[frank ether]

So what I think is very simple, replace onslaught something similar to dance of death so veteran, you know, the ranged class, can improve hipfire/braced builds, probably rework skirmisher or buff it, and then allow executioner to proc WS (If I recall right it doesn't) aaand maybe do some work on exe stan aswell while at it.

I think baseline exe stan should work like fotf, like a fire and forget kind of thing on a low cooldown, and I'd make it so you can either spec into instant reload or reset on kill which increases the cooldown to what it currently is. And the gunner/ogryn highlight choice? Just make those baked in by default lmao.

In my head it sounds reasonable, maybe its ridicilous, I don't know.

[somber axle]

plus if you're charging shots you're vulnerable during the charge so it means charging shots into bosses is another fun risk vs reward thing

[somber axle]

Ok hear me out: delete Onslaught, rework Chink in their Armour
Chink in their Armour instead gives X% Brittleness per stack of Marksman's Focus instead of just a simple 10% rending at 10 stacks letting it be a talent node that isn't exclusively active at max stacks and still fulfills the theme of backline support shooter. Hitting heads and softening up hardier targets. Because afaik this is the only Brittleness available in any of the 4 class talent trees and otherwise Brittleness becomes a mechanic exclusive to blessings on weapons no one takes period

If you delete Onslaught without putting Brittleness elsewhere it stops being used. At that point you might as well just rework the 2-3 blessings across the entire arsenal of weapons that have brittleness and delete brittleness as a debuff because it basically doesn't exist (and kinda doesn't right now beyond Onslaught tbh LOL)

legitimately who uses Thunderous on Chain Axes or Shattering Impact on Boltgun other than people forced to be because they're holding bricks?

[frank ether]

I think brittle should be the kind of thing you give to specific weapons via blessings if they're balanced around it

I feel bad about rending/brittle being commonly available and make armor classifications meaningless

its a dumb hill to die on yes I know

[somber axle]

Flak and Carapace should absolutely be more dangerous and they're not just because rending is so common in the meta

Uncanny on literally any weapon that has it always

[frank ether]

if no one uses the blessings maybe consider making them core parts of said weapons even

I also don't like things that should probably be baseline to a weapon being put under blessings aswell

[frank ether]

Its a combination of rending, ADM balance and health values

[somber axle]

Alternatively change Chink in their Armour to a bleed talent node that applies X bleed stacks per shots at 10 stacks Marksman's Focus

I know this sounds dumb

but it would make it REALLY funny to do bleed and burn dot style builds on Vet using Recons and Laspistols LMFAO

[last parcel]

Chink in their Armour + Puncture + Shredder Frags + Serrated Blade + Mercy Killer

[somber axle]

Yes exactly LOL

[last parcel]

call it shark week

[somber axle]

maximum bleed

[coral willow]

make brittleness the new rending by removing rending idk

[faint beacon]

You called?

[coral willow]

but ye its wierdcseeing it on onsalught

outliar

[faint beacon]

Hell speaking of isnt that soon

[coral willow]

where lacerate

[frank ether]

you dont need onslaught

its used on like.... 2 weapons

[coral willow]

idk if columnus even needs one

it has good pen values usually

[frank ether]

only if you want to magdump a crusher

but the problem is

you shouldn't be able to

[somber axle]

I unironically like the difference between rending as an individual boost to build for and brittleness as a boost that supports the entire team tbh

[frank ether]

its dumb

[coral willow]

i do too

except rending currently is objectively better

[somber axle]

Let bleed/burn ticks also apply Onslaught stacks

[coral willow]

most of the tiem so i guess you have a point

[somber axle]

it would be REALLY funny...

[coral willow]

this used to happen with thunderous immolation

[frank ether]

serrated blade... its so sad now lmao

[coral willow]

or thunderous stun nade

[frank ether]

I think mercy killer is legitimately the only case to ever use serrated blade

thats a problem in itself but I kinda don't care

[faint beacon]

I mean Serrated + Mercy is literally free damage

[coral willow]

i did envy serrated blade when playing zealot and scourage didnt proc well on certain ocasions but now i pity serrated blade

[frank ether]

you dont need it over something like precog on zealot

[coral willow]

ye

and scourage has other uses anyway like critboosting which is like quite OP at it given enough hits

still kinda baffles me veteran get piety rightside amounts of crits for free for dodging

[frank ether]

reciprocity is not free piety lmao

if you mean desperado though thats like, duh

that one is like a mini free piety

[coral willow]

reci and desp both kinda

reci is a bit convoluted

but still

[frank ether]

hard to compete with double finesse damage on a dodge

tho it just doesn't matter in gameplay for me

[coral willow]

fair point

duelist is wack

but vet also gets 30% wp for doing nothing

[frank ether]

yeh

[crimson pebble]

Does the reciprocity crit chance apply to both melee and ranged

[frank ether]

it should

[crimson pebble]

Also are crits worth chasing on shock maul

[frank ether]

I don't think so but desperado is just on the way to attack speed which I think is worth chasing on mauls

and finesse bonus from it should apply to weakspot hits aswell

[drowsy aspen]

Oh man

I have found myself enjoying the Vet stealth build to a shocking degree

...I think Weapon Specialist + Infernus is actually amazing on the VId recon

Extreme rate of fire + guaranteed crit and stacking fire

[idle carbon]

commando vet is one of my favorite ways to play darktide
plus scrier's gaze gunpsyker
you may sense a pattern of weapon swapping lol

[drowsy aspen]

I grow tired of Power Sword though - what are some good stealth vet weapons?

[idle carbon]

don't underestimate the shovel

[drowsy aspen]

Weapon swapping rules! This game is so fun because it's a hybrid between shooter and melee

[drowsy aspen]

I do not - I use the blue folding shovel pretty regularly

[pseudo fiber]

Shovel is great. The shockmauls are good too

[drowsy aspen]

I love it, but I've found it lacks the absolute killing power of the Power Sword

Then again, everything will

Power Sword OP

[last parcel]

the guaranteed crit is only 2 shots (the first string fired) btw

[pseudo fiber]

Yeah psword kills everything

[idle carbon]

catachan sword is excellent for killing anything not a mauler or crusher, so if you do pick that, make sure the rest of your kit can handle it

[drowsy aspen]

...are you sure? I'm painting entire crowds with an awful lot of fire

[idle carbon]

give the bog standard sapper shovel a go as well - light spam with uncanny strike solves a shocking amount of problems lol

[somber axle]

Now use Celerity stim with it too for even FASTER shooting and swinging!

[drowsy aspen]

Uncanny strike? Interesting

[drowsy aspen]

I can't handle that kind of speed....

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/lulu-cat-fast-gif-19144023

[drowsy aspen]

Going from Ogryn to stealth vet is super fun tho

[idle carbon]

uncanny strike is an obscenely good pick for just about every weapon it comes on

[drowsy aspen]

...really? That's infinite cleave on crit, yeah?

Or is that Perfect Strike

[idle carbon]

no, it's rending

[drowsy aspen]

Ohhh shovel plus rending...

I actually love the heavies on the basic shovel too

[idle carbon]

good horde clear for when it becomes difficult to 1-shot light spam your way through

the sapper shovel is basically an axe with cleave

also special headshot knocks ragers out of combo, like most other interrupt specials, so use it
also comedically enough it stops muties with a headshot too

[somber axle]

It's really, really good

You can kill a Crusher in under a second with a Knife using this!

[last parcel]

yes, you're just getting a lot of crits because you're shooting a lot of rounds
if it was guaranteed crits for the full timer, all those shots would be orange

[last parcel]

post the vid leaking path's dms

[somber axle]

If you use Headhunter as a blessing you can aim head height and get more crits!

[somber axle]

I could also show off the extra silly one hit kill Crusher video

LOL

[drowsy aspen]

Understood! It gives a finesse buff though, yes?

[drowsy aspen]

Faster shooting? More damage perhaps?

[somber axle]

Pet the Recon...

[drowsy aspen]

I'm forgetting precisely how it works

[last parcel]

no, marksman's focus gives the finesse bonus. wep spec is just the fire rate

and that one does last the entire duration

[drowsy aspen]

Evil mode

[somber axle]

Ok ok here's the real vid

No memes this time

LOL

Anyway yeah Uncanny is a top tier blessing on any weapon you can get it on

Knives, Shovels, Dueling Swords, etc.

[idle carbon]

speaking of weapon swapping, the the ranged part of weapon specialist only gives the crit bonus on the first shot
so it heavily leans towards single shot high damage weapons like the zarona revolver, and possibly the bolt pistol if you're feeling adventurous and slap lethal proximity on it

[drowsy aspen]

Ack, I know ✊ 😔 I'm looking to replace Dumdum with Head Hunter but I haven't got a decent HH yet

[somber axle]

One day you will enter the world of Headhunter + Shock Trooper

[idle carbon]

ammo? what ammo? this lasgun runs on faith

[drowsy aspen]

I definitely think that's better overall - but the VId has such a crazy firerate with the speed buff that I reckon it's not a million miles worse

I bow to your wisdom, but I will not surrender my rough little diamond

It's MINE

[last parcel]

that's enough logic for me tonight. time for drugs

[drowsy aspen]

How good is Lethal Proximity btw

And what is the consensus for Bolt Pistol on Vet?

[idle carbon]

you get really addicted to whipping out a guaranteed point blank hand cannon crit, let me tell you lol

[drowsy aspen]

It's already pretty crazy with just Shock Trooper and my existing crit buffs man

[inland orchid]

bolt fun but people dislike the main thing that comes with any bolter

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/demoman-shooting-memes-shooting-guns-tf2-gif-18730188

[idle carbon]

IIRC the general consensus is it's a decent pick for weapon spec vet, so the topic on hand

[inland orchid]

Recoil

[drowsy aspen]

That's cool! As Zealot I wasn't a huge fan

[idle carbon]

you basically turn it into a horde stun stick

[drowsy aspen]

Ultimately the Bolt Pistol's biggest drawback is that it has to compete with the revolver, no?

[inland orchid]

ye

[idle carbon]

definitely

[drowsy aspen]

Tragedy

But yall are out here telling me things it does better

So I'm excited to test it

[inland orchid]

soda can sized bullets can always get a man excited, this man included

this man being me

[drowsy aspen]

This man too

[idle carbon]

melk gave me this weird little bolt pistol, which was coincidentally enough more or less what I was looking for in weapon spec bolt pistol
haven't tried it yet though, been going for some penances, but I expect it to be fun

[drowsy aspen]

...my bolter hasn't felt right since-

Since-

BOLTER

VET BOLTER

AM I STUPID????

I forgot Vets could run bolter lmao

[stiff glacier]

Vet bolter is based

[idle carbon]

for what it's worth, the draw time is so atrocious it's practically pointless trying to use it on a weapon spec vet
the others trees it's more acceptable

[stiff glacier]

Its good on the middle tree crusher/mauler dumping or deadshot sniping

[drowsy aspen]

Yea ig middle capstone is the only one that makes good sense

Surely for Executioner's Stance you'd want a different weapon

[pseudo fiber]

No it works with Bolter if you use it as a dmr type

[drowsy aspen]

accatran accatran accatran

[stiff glacier]

Lawbringer executioner stance

[somber axle]

Exe Stance + Focus Target and Redirect Fire is my fav way of running Boltgun

Keeps the breakpoints very consistent

And extra funny boss damage magdumping into them!

[idle carbon]

full auto like the god-emperor intended

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent hey btw for power sword 3 the attack speed talent is a must right ?

[odd sparrow]

not at all

in general the power swords dont "need" any support from the talent tree to work

but they obviously do become stronger with the support

[coral willow]

too bad you cant say the same for oppertunist

[arctic glen]

Still running my trusty las rifle.

[uncut pebble]

Can't go wrong with an infantry lasgun.

[last parcel]

falter + no respite mg xii users rise up

[fleet thicket]

Also holy shit powersword got huge boss damage too

Does this thing struggle against anything ?

It's only bad thing is its slow heavies and 4 dodge

[austere mica]

Anything outside your swing range

Otherwise, no

There’s a reason it’s stupid broken

And it used to be more powerful once

[fleet thicket]

What's most powerful now ?

Plasma ? XD

Or the eviserator ?

[uncut pebble]

I gotta say the strongest zealout melee is probably the crusher. Pulled one with skullcrusher 4 earlier and I hit 500k damage without going below 1 wound on my martyr build.

I had zero issues with anything that got within melee range.

[austere mica]

Crusher is great

Being able to tell anything to just sit the fuck down is amazing

[uncut pebble]

Knocked an entire train of ragers down with the empowered hit and cooked em with an immolation grenade.

And yeah the stagger is just nuts.

I can knock bulwark shields out of the way ezpz.

[fleet thicket]

It still only got

1 damage blessing

[last parcel]

yeah we should give it a second one

maybe uncanny

[fleet thicket]

No it wouldn't do shit on crusher

It penetrates every armor type

I think if crusher deseeve anything is probably that new blessing from the shock maul

[uncut pebble]

It doesn't need more than that, tbh. One normal light attack does like 700 damage to a crusher's head without any damage boosts.

[fleet thicket]

High voltage

[coral willow]

which is probably better than every single damage blessing in the entire game if you can use it to its advantages