Ok step 1, don’t shoot at hordes
#veteran-class
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pure vigil
always have them on timer
abstract kiln
always have them on timer
ye this
wicked epoch
Ok step 1, don’t shoot at hordes
Use melee for them?
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Use melee for them?
You’re playing a warhammer game, what do u think
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Learn melee
wicked epoch
Learn melee
Gotcha
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wicked epoch
excuse my seemingly dumb questions im genuinely new to making proper builds
wicked epoch
Why do u need krak when u can just
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Aye fair enough
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This is not even a dedicated magdump boss dmg build
abstract kiln
Frags better for throwing throughout the mission
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Frags are the higher dmg grenades
If u run exe stance ur going to need frags for making space
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What does ur tree look like
wicked epoch
multiple screenshot time
radiant chasm
Why do u need krak when u can just
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did they remove pre nadding for pinning stacks?
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did they remove pre nadding for pinning stacks?
No I’m just too lazy to do it
Pre-nade & red stim have same effects on boss anyway
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zenith helm
I cant believe i just dumped the power sword for the rashad
it is so much better
i can finally move around
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Take superiority complex
wicked epoch
What else
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And suppression immunity
wicked epoch
Gotcha
Whats a build i can do for bolter horde ?
sounds dumb yes but it sounds fun
i wanna try it with the ability that has you scream and revive people
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Whats a build i can do for bolter horde ?
TLDR there isn’t
wicked epoch
ah.
elder fiber
you really shouldn't be wasting bolter on horde outside of emergency situations (that frag would solve better anyways)
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You just should not magdump horde with Boltgun ever
manic cloak
What melee weapon do you ship with this?
elder fiber
also revive node on scream is trap
uncut pebble
I don't think bolter has the pen to do that and I think your teammates would be mad that you're using ammo like a hose.
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What melee weapon do you ship with this?
Chainsword / shock maul tbh
wicked epoch
Fair enough then
manic cloak
Ew
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Chainsword cuz low point cost and u still get to kill elites with Bloodletter
uncut pebble
If you want something similar you could use plasma to thin out hordes due to its insane cleave.
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Shock maul cuz it handles everything besides boss dmg and is low point cost
uncut pebble
Your ammo problem is significantly lessened because you physically can't shoot that many times before you overheat and explode.
wicked epoch
i made a hilarious build you may not approve of
bolter power sword shocktrooper ballsdeep build
lemme take pics of it
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i made a hilarious build you may not approve of
My approval matters very little tbh
wicked epoch
not the perk itself
elder fiber
my fav shout revive experience was seeing somebody use it for multiple downs when one of them was on fire so they just instantly died
uncut pebble
Oh then nvm.
wicked epoch
oh shit i have like 3 points to allocate
uncut pebble
Do as you will.
Vet talent tree is surprisingly versatile to the point that you can make anything work.
wicked epoch
Is iron will good
uncut pebble
Very.
wicked epoch
I want something that can make me a mini astartes
Head canon is that this cadian is so mad he basically pretends to be a marine
marble mantle
Kinda funny that the game tries to level match make so when I feel like running a random sedition instead of getting some level 1s I’m instead getting level 30s that are doing the exact same thing that I’m doing
zenith helm
anyone wanna do twins damnation? haven't done it yet
uncut pebble
I don't think "mini astartes" is possible but you can definitely have some crazy survivability.
wicked epoch
What do i need
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Is iron will good
You should always take it (emphasis on “always”)
wicked epoch
Okay
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anyone wanna do twins damnation? haven't done it yet
Regular or hard mode
wicked epoch
Damnation is hardest
uncut pebble
Between iron will and that one perk at the top that's toughness damage reduction when in coherency, you'll be hard pressed to die with teammates around.
marble mantle
I’m taking it home with me
uncut pebble
Damnation is hardest
No, there is an actual "hard mode" of the twins.
zenith helm
Regular or hard mode
regular
zenith helm
I havent attempted the regular version of damnation yet
wicked epoch
actually lemme take photos of the build and ill be willing to join
zenith helm
nope
uncut pebble
Damnation is the difficulty, but there is an optional hard mode that can be enabled.
last parcel
What do i need
Let your armour be contempt
zenith helm
I know through ringing those bells
marble mantle
Strange
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zenith helm
After using azrael's build i feel like i'm now twice as effective as before
i was using Tanner's sht build
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Wouldn’t recommend
manic cloak
After using azrael's build i feel like i'm now twice as effective as before
Where's the link to Az's build?
uncut pebble
Holy worm batman that's a lot of points scattered about.
marble mantle
my middle name
That’s a weird middle name
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I know through ringing those bells
We could try
wicked epoch
That’s a weird middle name
im an odd doctor
wicked epoch
id be down
zenith helm
Anyone wanna join for Killing twins on damnation?
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Anyone wanna join for Killing twins on damnation?
what region
wicked epoch
im down
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NA
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what gun is this for
zenith helm
ST5
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THEY'RE IN TH E TREEEEEEEEEEES
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what gun is this for
Zarona
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short sinew
if yall have space ill join
jaunty tinsel
I'm trying to get the very last Frenzied Killer penance (120 kills in 30 sec). What veteran weapons do you guys recommend would help me most with this?
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zenith helm
@formal lake do you have an ogryn build for twins
i dont have the achlys only have the gorgonum
worldly yew
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@formal lake do you have any guard bolter builds?
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topaz lance
behold, the ultimate "gotta load fast" double barrel build
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marble mantle
Second silly clip in the same spot
marble mantle
When are my Ogryn friends getting a giant chainsword, like we talkin bigger than guts’ dragon slayer
Additionally, giant brass knuckles? Taser knuckles? Something to think about.
thorn lark
behold, the ultimate "gotta load fast" double barrel build
You don't need to load fast if you take weapon specialist 
coral willow
you need to swap twice kek
topaz lance
You don't need to load fast if you take weapon specialist <:thumbsup_ogryn:10634...
I know, that's what I did before. I kinda prefer this build though, it focusses more on the shotty itself.
cinder wadi
does the ranged attack speed from ranged specialist keystone stay after the first shot?
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does the ranged attack speed from ranged specialist keystone stay after the firs...
yes
just the crit is lost
solar garden
WELP. I had to literally level a fresh Vet up from scratch despite having over a thousand hours in the game to get it, which is disgusting and an egregious oversight by FS but.....
Finally got Manstopper unlocked.
Now... question is... which to replace with it...
I'm leaning toward keeping H&R because that 1 second reprieve really lets me go ham pushing shooters and gunners while 6% power isn't really all that much, but it does synergize really well with the theme of the build (that being weapon specialist w shock maul)
last parcel
I'm leaning toward keeping H&R because that 1 second reprieve really lets me go ...
deathspitter actually stacks up to 5 times. you can see the buff icon count in game
solar garden
deathspitter actually stacks up to 5 times. you can see the buff icon count in g...
You're like 30 second late, I just swapped it out 😫
Good to know for future though, ty.
Awesome tool tip there, FS xD
solar garden
Hahahaha it's NP
I'll probably end up rerolling this shotty eventually since the reload stat is wasted with a weapon specialist build. Could get those points in mobility instead xP
last parcel
having mobility past 51 for most weapons doesn’t really matter since you get max dodges at 51 and the dodge distance difference is minimal
solar garden
Yeah ik but... eh... it's also wasted in reload most of the time so... it's kind of a wash either way.
Plus then I'll have one with Deathspitter and Manstopper
Or maybe Manstopper and Flechette for those mop-up kills where targets are left at like 10% health
¯_(ツ)_/¯
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frank basin
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icy orchid
Rate this Bolt pistol
solar garden
0/10 it's a Bolt Pistol and not a Zarona. 😛
And I'm not even a revolver main XD
I want to like the Bolt Pistol but there's just nothing it does that, IMO, the Revolver doesn't do better.
An extra 2 shots per reload and like 20 extra ammo doesn't bridge that gap, neither does the tiny stagger around the target.
inland orchid
I like how bolt pistol sound so ima keep using it
solar garden
I'm willing to be proven wrong, if someone has some way of making it work better, but I just haven't seen anything :/
inland orchid
Plus I get to help others with the “test your metal” event
solar garden
That's fair
And to be clear I don't think the Bolt Pistol is bad, it's certainly usable just... in a weird spot where it's competing with weapons that fill it's role better imo.
dire olive
I want to like the Bolt Pistol but there's just nothing it does that, IMO, the R...
3 shots
Tbh, it seems you really have to build into it to get a lot of breakpoints, but once you do it's really fun
And if you're gonna one shot most things then mag size does make a difference
muted knot
there really isnt anything i can do with this brick right ?
Also is the Wapon customization mods up for this patch ?
dire olive
Yes
young sun
Can I turn this into something good enough to fuck around on damnation with? I'm out of the loop on what perks/blessings this thing wants
mortal orbit
Can I turn this into something good enough to fuck around on damnation with? I'm...
U roll full bore n ur cooking, son
dire olive
On nexus?
muted knot
oh right
dire olive
You can try the Darktide Modding discord, the mod author posts more up-to-date versions there occasionally before updating nexus version
kind hull
The problem with the bolt pistol is that tilted ads alignment
Like, use your pistol like a normal person instead...
heavy rover
I use the Hellbore MKII. Got it paired with infernus IV and Surgical IV. Combine that with the Shock Trooper and I've been having a lot of fun with it. It's forgiving so you don't feel pressured to headshot everytime, since the burn stacks are easy to build up when you're constantly aiming. I rarely go bellow half ammo throughout a run, and that's even if I'm shooting constantly
muted knot
Like, use your pistol like a normal person instead...
Holding it sideways increases its damage tho
minor jewel
gonna kill hadron after this performance
mellow dome
doing a crit build with Opening Salvo and Weapons Specialist
idk if I should swap one of the Blessings out for Manstopper
dreamy spade
I love seeing 4 digits in my ammo reserve
bitter turtle
Rate this Bolt pistol
It hink
swap cara to elite
Puncture + elite can 1 tap dreg gunners with almost no talent tree investment besides superiority complex
its only a minor loss over cara for crusher dps
esp since you're not using surgical you're gonna be spamming deadshot fueled shots with DA anyway
that setup is basically what i want to try lol
but i cant roll DA
crystal temple
https://tenor.com/view/mauzymice-boykisser-jumpscare-boy-kisser-mauzy-mice-gif-8...
crystal temple
0/10 it's a Bolt Pistol and not a Zarona. 😛
bolt pistol is fun to use so, imma keep lovin it xD
bitter turtle
https://tenor.com/view/mauzymice-boykisser-jumpscare-boy-kisser-mauzy-mice-gif-8...
didnt the artist for that get sent death threats by unhinged people
crystal temple
yea
dusty sluice
whats the ideal blessings for bolt pistols :3
also does bolter feel good now or has hd2 messed with me
pallid jetty
whats the ideal blessings for bolt pistols :3
i run point black explosion + bleed
aiming with this shit is hard
if you want to headshot - surgical + crit damage on weakspot
bitter turtle
i dont think explosion is ever really the right choice tbh
it just does so little
Deadly Accurate is still goo deven without surgical since wep specialist and deadshot
bitter turtle
great
and if you run puncture
i suggest deadly accurate really
the crits dont really do much without DA
and you can still force crits without surgical pretty easily
but yeah, shock mauls are great, kills basically everything except bosses fast
just run a gun that can deal with unyielding
dusty sluice
and you can still force crits without surgical pretty easily
ah ty
bitter turtle
very few melee talents required to make it functional
dusty sluice
whats the diff between the mks?
dusty sluice
is one better for horde clear?
inland orchid
Mark 3 is more bonks meanwhile mark Ia is more vanguard/unrelenting to it
dusty sluice
indignatus has a perfectly horizontal combo
what is it :3
bitter turtle
Heavy Light loop
just be careful because its hard to get back into it if you misinput
if you do misinput
the fastest way to get back to the combo is just QQ
as in press Q twice in quick succession to swap out and back into the shock maul
will reset your combo
bitter turtle
ah
inland orchid
If worse comes to worse mark 3 u can block cancel to spam heavy sweep 
The start of its heavy combo is a relentless attack
dusty sluice
any suggestions for a bolt pistol + maul build then?
wise fossil
whats the diff between the mks?
They're roughly inverse of one another. One has a strikedown H1 and a sweep H2, while the other is flipped
bitter turtle
They're roughly inverse of one another. One has a strikedown H1 and a sweep H2, ...
agni h2 is more of a diagonal
wise fossil
Yes, roughly flipped. Not perfectly
bitter turtle
agni is easier to fix if u fuck up the horde combo though
indig has that
achyls-like moveset
only hte first heavy in any pure heavy chain will be the horizontal
muted knot
ah yes my classic hellbore overkill damage
bitter turtle
i think if u fuck up you can do 3 more lights to get back to L2 aggain and chain it back into H1
but its easier to just qq
dusty sluice
any suggestions for a bolt pistol + maul build then?
would this work?
bitter turtle
would this work?
weapon specialist is better for bistol
dusty sluice
you dont need longshot if you're running puncture
might go surgical + da
seems silly
bitter turtle
if you go surg + DA then move some point into longshot
or else you cant 1tap dreg gunner/flamers anymore without crits
dusty sluice
ig longshot instead of always prepared
bitter turtle
yea you need longshot or puncture
here's an 80 dmg bistol without longshot
puncture has to fill in the missing dmg
bitter turtle
yea i told him to go wep specialist instead
idk i dont thinnk its right to do anything except wep special for bistol
but that's just me ig
hearty panther
the actual definitive is Agile Engagement
hearty panther
you could vaguely say they're interchangeable but, the output difference is pretty big for the gun itself
and i would not no
i stopped running surv a year ago
and they've only put more ammo on the map since then
bitter turtle
well, then yea go right and path through C&K and agile instead
hearty panther
nodes around survivalist are especially bad too, so
i have a hard time ever justifying it
(+5% reload speed, lmao)
bitter turtle
i actually value the 5% ranged dmg there lol
its actually super tight to get the puncture 1taps
but im a memer running puncture/DA anyway ig
hearty panther
i use puncture for zealot
vet, i mean depending on your tree i suppose
but i feel like you'd have to be deliberately avoiding ways to not need puncture
hearty panther
nah, i agree with that
bitter turtle
so its nice to save a point instead of having to take longshot?
hearty panther
you dont really hold it down and frankly bistol sucks at drawn out engagements
bitter turtle
its not liek revolver where you can just hold it down and 2 shot anything yea
hearty panther
fucking nerf revolver already
old quail
revolver is in the category of guns i completely ignore
bitter turtle
i value it less than the 1tap on dreg gunner'flamer, but
hearty panther
"hur this gun sucks i cant use it at all compared to revolver"
yea no shit the revo secretly fires off a brick with Halo 2 levels of bullet magnetization and cleaves 6
old quail
my smooth brain is unbothered by it
hearty panther
an actual chihuahua could play the game with the revo
old quail
bolt weapons are one of those weapon types that makes me really mad that the dudes in flak armor are almost universally easier to kill than the dudes wearing rags
hearty panther
idk i get people who cant square that cricle
but to me, its a video game
things have made up niches
hearty panther
like you really gonna tell me that you take extra shock damage IRL if you are wearing metal shoes?
bitter turtle
i complained about this before
but maniac just has no actual identity as an armor type
nothing is consistent about it
sometimes lasers do better, sometimes bullets do better, sometimes melee is great, sometimes melee is normal
its just weird
willow siren
maniac is jsut a dude high off his ass and cant feel the pain
old quail
the armor system in this game is p bad and the perk system only reinforces it as nonsensical bullshit
bitter turtle
and then theres the weirdass dmg values where combat axe horizontal heavies do high damage but vertical heavies are bad
and do worse than actual lights
its just ???
nothing about maniac is intuitive
old quail
i would like to know what the like big picture idea was for the armor types with dt
but the answer is probably "none" and the end result we have is a bunch of random incremental changes
hearty panther
it was probably just a desire to not have it be like in VT2
bitter turtle
i also think its weird that dreg gunners are tankier than scab gunners
hearty panther
where the only interesting choices were which special BPs you wanted to hit
and thats about it
bitter turtle
untrained dude with rags with a sloppily thrown together autogun or a trained elite member of one of the most prestigous guard regiments of the sector
hearty panther
and i mean if we wanna talk about armour and its impact
bitter turtle
who would win
hearty panther
then we gotta talk about how rending is just
bitter turtle
apparently hte fucking dude in rags
hearty panther
dummy
old quail
then we gotta talk about how rending is just
i miss when it could lower your damage
those were the days
hearty panther
lmao
old quail
ogryn melee weapons all have this universal issue where they fucking SUCK into maniac for some reason
hearty panther
like i think crushers should be fucking terrifying
old quail
even the pickaxes
hearty panther
i legitimately think there should be maybe three human weapons that deal with them
and everyone else has to manage them the way a dclaw or hsword does
old quail
(relatively speaking theyre part of the Ogryn Powercreep Train)
hearty panther
but thats not where we are right now
bitter turtle
like i think crushers should be fucking terrifying
i agree with that
and it was at least more like that formost weapons when the game came out
powercreep though
you literalyl have exactly 1 weapon now that cant kill a crusher in under 2 seconds
dclaw
lol
for vet at least
old quail
the game was also kinda boring as hell then tbf
hearty panther
it was worse when the game dropped
old quail
elites were scarce
bitter turtle
even the fucking standard shovel can do it fast with uncanny strikes
hearty panther
because you'd maybe get four crushers in a pack per game
and they used to have half the HP
old quail
i watched like 2 mins of a "damnation solo clutch" video from the beta test and the guy was lightspamming dclaw into a horde and there were like
2 shotgunners and a mauler
hearty panther
they werent a threat cause they were very infrequent
old quail
and he kept chastising away from the mauler
hearty panther
lul
bitter turtle
but i meant more in terms of weapon dmg output
though there were outliers back then too
hearty panther
it was all the same outliers
bitter turtle
idk if i was just bad back then but it didnt feel like literally every melee deletes crushers out of the game like paper though
old quail
the game has a lot of numbers n stuff that don't really make much sense or aren't implemented in a sensible way
hearty panther
but even the weak ones were better cause again half the hp
coral willow
crusher is in a wierd place
old quail
like there's crit adm boosts but none for weakspot
coral willow
dont crit ignore ADM
old quail
no
hearty panther
well it's getting better thankfully
now that zealots cant melt crushers with a shredder and one ult
old quail
on a per-weapon basis they can have adm boosts (which can be literally any number they choose) for different armor types
bitter turtle
man
coral willow
hm.
old quail
now that zealots cant melt crushers with a shredder and one ult
just u wait for the datamined psyker talents
bitter turtle
now that zealots cant melt crushers with a shredder and one ult
i talked to someone who complaiend u actually have to pick a gun to kill crusher
instead of literally every gun killing crusher
old quail
one of them is smiting ("electrocuting") on heavy attack
bitter turtle
bc of the nerf
old quail
i block every smite psyker i get in pubs
hearty panther
smite psykers should only be able to queue with other smite psykers
so they can electro-circlejerk each other
and i can play the FUCKING game
coral willow
bc of the nerf
tbh, i dont like how my dclaw or slow crusher killing weapons are quite shafted with large crushed packs
old quail
warp charges should have the same upgrad enode layout as weapon specialist
ideally tbh it would just be a pyromancy keystone or smth
coral willow
i block every smite psyker i get in pubs
have you blocked me yet
old quail
and you'd get different interactions with soulblaze
hearty panther
warp charges should have the same upgrad enode layout as weapon specialist
you mean the main node having 99% of all useful effects and then five useless hanger-ons?
bitter turtle
tbh, i dont like how my dclaw or slow crusher killing weapons are quite shafted ...
then you pick a gun that has good dmg vs them
there are like 5 of them
coral willow
2
old quail
you mean the main node having 99% of all useful effects and then five useless ha...
there's some cool stuff for weapon specialist
hearty panther
i dont see it personally
old quail
it's probably the least problematic in terms of upgrade nodes and u could just fix some of them to be less awful
coral willow
cant deal with crusher packs
bitter turtle
u just shoot them one at a time
hearty panther
main node is everything i want it to do, always prepared has comical niche utilization, and i couldnt even tell you what the rest are
bitter turtle
i dont understand the problem
old quail
the problem i have with it is that it needs to be able to be useful for all weapon types (it is not named semi auto and melee specialist SMH)
bitter turtle
do you need a gun to delet 10 crushers in under 3 seconds for it to be "good"
hearty panther
yes big agree there
coral willow
yes i do classify as it that so
bitter turtle
i guess rashad is bad into crushers
old quail
main node is everything i want it to do, always prepared has comical niche utili...
the stam/toughness on swap ones have some sort of purpose and aren't actually troll picks
old quail
the other 2 are literally just useless though
coral willow
i guess rashad is bad into crushers
thammers are worse
so rashad gets a pretty high rating for me
old quail
i think they should make the fire rate into swap speed baseline (so that u can use it with heavier stuff like helbore/bolter less awfully) and turn one of the nodes into fire rate if u really want it
bitter turtle
very few things could actually just delete 10 crushers in under 3 seconds and frankly that should just not even exist in the first place
hearty panther
if n = exist solve for x
bitter turtle
coral willow
you can parry dclaw a crusher to death
my problem with crushers is the crusher packs so unless a gun can reliably deal with them(bolter) its bad in my book
and those who dont make it into bad category is unusable for crushers most of the time so
old quail
i rank weapons based on how effectively they solve my father issues which is to say they all fucking SUCK dude
hearty panther
it would be nice if the wepspec nodes modified the base effects for different types of weapons, but yeah, what we got right now is
just fucking bloated imo
like its a good node, in that its effective and does things for you ingame that are valuable
bitter turtle
you can parry dclaw a crusher to death
my problem with crushers is the crusher p...
i specified that all of those weapons get over 1k dps on a crusher
hearty panther
but i think its the worst node in the game becasue of how unbelievably stacked it is
bitter turtle
that is literally killing them in under 3 seconds
hearty panther
right at the top end
old quail
weapon specialist has a conceptual gameplay style that isn't 1:1 with how you already play
coral willow
that is literally killing them in under 3 seconds
killing 1 under 3 seconds
bitter turtle
yes
hearty panther
even zealot has to at least pretend to dodge to get momentum stacks
old quail
which ranks it in the top 3 keystones for me
bitter turtle
like how everyone else does it
hearty panther
veteran just shoots a poxwalker and gets gigaboosted
bitter turtle
even giga busted dumbshit revolver on vet still takes around that amount of time
but i guess its bad at crushers if u cant literally just cleave the entire pack all at once
coral willow
zarona can exec oneshot if anything, that thing needs to be put down
old quail
part of the issue i think is the vet right side tree is "commando" vibes
but then like half the guns u would associate with it are not really supported beyond maybe onslaught
hearty panther
also part of the issue is just fucking nerf revolver alreadyyy
coral willow
so 5 crushers down for 5 seconds
old quail
can u imagine the immense about of gamer rage
hearty panther
yes, im hard just thinking about it
old quail
i hope they make hand cannon put your cara adm to 0
hearty panther
literally tilting my keyboard off my desk tray
old quail
so u cant ever shoot crushers with it
old quail
literally tilting my keyboard off my desk tray
lmao
bitter turtle
you agreed that rending on fotf is bad
bitter turtle
you dont even need WS
yeah just drop the exact thing that makes vet turn revolver into a busted piece of shit
hearty panther
and you had to actually aim it like, you know
every other fucking gun in the game
bitter turtle
this is a stupid premise
hearty panther
that'd be a nice start
old quail
i enjoy the bullet being so large it can be in two separate places at once
hearty panther
schroedinger's headshot
white minnow
can u imagine the immense about of gamer rage
hhhhhhnnnnnnnnnngg aguhuhguhuhagh
hearty panther
ikr arco
old quail
jesus christ
white minnow
RUDE
coral willow
this is a stupid premise
we use exec focus target revos much p sure
white minnow
my laptop stays out of this
old quail
boltpistol is a quick swap "kill this dude" gun that doesn't make me feel like an xbox player getting carried by using it so i can play weapon specialist again
hearty panther
yes
i love it
also sincerely enjoy the utility of BIG BOOMY BOOLET
to clear shit
bitter turtle
we use exec focus target revos much p sure
nobody does this on zarona except to feel special
hearty panther
you dont even have to hit the dog on your teammate to free them, just something nearby
bitter turtle
and if you are playing zarona in the first place you're obviously tryhard sweating
no reason to run anything except WS for keystone
coral willow
this isnt some me shit i dont even run that shit cause its unfunny kek
old quail
you dont even have to hit the dog on your teammate to free them, just something ...
yeah, the fire barrel next to them when theyre at 20 hp
hearty panther
the zarona pairs amazingly with a M+KB or Controller
and sometimes even a monitor can help
bitter turtle
white minnow
no love to my driving wheel?
old quail
i exclusively play with the jsat foot pedals
hearty panther
we're the odd ones out here
old quail
darktide is a racing game
white minnow
i exclusively play with the jsat foot pedals
op
bitter turtle
you could probably still aim fine with a driving wheel on some of these guns ngl
hearty panther
zarona? absolutely
old quail
i played plasma again for the first time in like 8 months
coral willow
i tried a controller and idk how to use it
old quail
i almost fell asleep immediately
i cannot believe the plasma shout vets who keep ragequitting my lobbies are losing with this fkin thing
white minnow
plasma vet is singlehandedly held back by their users
coral willow
anyway so outside of bolter and maybe zarona i dont think zealot has a good crusher killer
old quail
none of them have functioning brains and yet they still probably have over 50% wr (just not around me for some reason)
coral willow
havent tried boltpistol so might rank that higher after tryinf it
white minnow
you mean ranged weapons only right
bitter turtle
anyway so outside of bolter and maybe zarona i dont think zealot has a good crus...
v3 gets 1.3k dps with perfect accuracy
coral willow
you mean ranged weapons only right
ye
bitter turtle
bistol gets something like 2k
old quail
ok but did you know the brauto crit string nerf actually killed it
bitter turtle
idk ur literally saying "but its not some meme exec FT zarona build that can literally oneshot them so its bad"
old quail
and its no longer viable
old quail
out of all the things i have seen i think that was the most powerful
white minnow
yeah it's way too good now
old quail
the close range buff was actually pretty damn good for the brautos
my exe stance bolter build is in shambles
white minnow
what's the point of "close range" when 90% of engagements happen in that range
old quail
because catch a breath has been fkin GUTTED
white minnow
OWNED
coral willow
idk ur literally saying "but its not some meme exec FT zarona build that can lit...
plasma spam exists for vet even if it sucks ammowise kek
bitter turtle
plasma is not even really that good vs crusher
at least compared to everything else it does
old quail
the problem is fire frenzy/deathspitter are in the same category of "should not exist" as slaught etc
old quail
theyre stupid blessings that just inflate stats
white minnow
shoot gun do more damage 😔
bitter turtle
did it get affected b ythe close range change
old quail
yes
hearty panther
no
pseudo fiber
Conflicting opinions here.
white minnow
which monochrome profile do i believe here
coral willow
plasma is not even really that good vs crusher
its not yes
vet has options, zealot with crusher packs are either revolver or bolter due to how quickly they need to be removed
hearty panther
yea im just here for the misinformation
hearty panther
well one is an anime avi loser and the over is a game girl avi loser
choose your fighter now
hearty panther
id also have to click on catch a breath again and i refuse
old quail
my assumption is it works off the same function as the close range thing
coral willow
terrifying barrage is unique isnt jt
old quail
catch a breath is great when ur running knife exe stance and just leaving poxwalkers to ur teammates
bitter turtle
pseudo fiber
Well that is a specific number so
bitter turtle
na it still works
old quail
damn
hearty panther
winner: this loser
white minnow
close range buff doomers in SHAMBLES
old quail
anyways they shouldve kept fire frenzy as fire rate (unironically)
coral willow
was it firerate before
hearty panther
yes it was much more fun and interesting
white minnow
i suspect exploits would agree with you
old quail
for a brief time in p13
hearty panther
for a brief time yes
white minnow
yup there we go
coral willow
that sounds fun
old quail
when fs had BALLS smh...
white minnow
yeah straight up damage and power is quite degenerate
hearty panther
also bring back stripped down sprint speed 😦 (they wont ever)
old quail
but then people got mad they werent getting free damage for playing the game
that shit was so funny with a bugged fire ripper because you'd shit out like 60 stacks (capped at 31 😔) of fire in a second tops
white minnow
and the only condition being on kill (very hard difficult to do and you have to go out of your way to do, of course)
coral willow
duh
old quail
the ogryn pickaxes are absolutely DEVASTATED by having a million power blessings
coral willow
worse than dumdum
old quail
i was disappointed when i saw the pool
coral willow
the ogryn pickaxes are absolutely DEVASTATED by having a million power blessings
heard some betatester raged at fatshark cause in beta it didnt have thrust
apprantly
pseudo fiber
I gotta get that mod that explains weapon buffs because which one is power again
old quail
all of the offensive stats
pseudo fiber
Kid lmfao mobole moment
white minnow
+10% power = +10% damage, +10% cleave, and +10% stagger
old quail
damage/cleave/stagger
white minnow
and the stats from power stack multiplicatively with the original stats
coral willow
so idk why fire frenzy exist rn other than to stack kek
pseudo fiber
I didn't know that part neat.
white minnow
e.g., if you have +20% damage and +20% power, you get 1.2 * 1.2 = 144% damage
hearty panther
yeah its too valuable, and too easy
hearty panther
"hmmm does my build need more stagger for elite control, cleave for crowd control, or damage for breakpoints ... oh nvm there's power right here that does all of that"
white minnow
tradeoffs 😔
white minnow
"hmmm does my build need more stagger for elite control, cleave for crowd contro...
shlerp
coral willow
"hmmm does my build need more stagger for elite control, cleave for crowd contro...
funny to me when noone uses thrust on sauls
bitter turtle
sounds like a great idea
hearty panther
it only has a spot on THammer because of the special activation
coral willow
extremely halarious pick
coral willow
it only has a spot on THammer because of the special activation
idk pickaxes and shovels seem to be fine with it
pseudo fiber
I used a mk1 with skullcrusher and the new electric one.
Zamn that's some good damage.
hearty panther
ill let u in on a secret
willow siren
meanwhile ogryn weapons taking thrust almost universally
coral willow
chaxes in ocasion
hearty panther
its not fine on them either
bitter turtle
idk pickaxes and shovels seem to be fine with it
shovels have the same exact gameplay as thammer
activate special do one shot
old quail
u have to have some pretty fuckin nasty endlag or smth for thrust to be worthwhile
hearty panther
oh right i forgot the folding shovels
coral willow
oneshots crushere better kek
old quail
and yeah ogryn can no longer drop crushers in a line
it wouldve been so funny if folding shovels still could and they released the pickaxes as they are
hearty panther
the stat requirement is thrust
willow siren
and yeah ogryn can no longer drop crushers in a line
pickaxe disagrees
branx pick is crazy
coral willow
would current pickaxes be better if it did not have thrust
old quail
i wish they would design an ogryn melee weapon that is not conceptually based around being slower and more hard hitting than the last one they made
this shit has been ongoing since the first weapons they added post release (paul)
white minnow
they'll release a flail next and you'll have to wait for it to spin up
willow siren
good news is branx horde clear is gated behind the easiest possible combo and most players dont understand it
coral willow
good news is branx horde clear is gated behind the easiest possible combo and mo...
whats the combo?
i only know
sa-hwavy
willow siren
whats the combo?
PA -> HA ->LA
pseudo fiber
they'll release a flail next and you'll have to wait for it to spin up
I think something with a longer power up would be fun (like 15 seconds or something)
coral willow
hala is same as something like ironhelm but ye
willow siren
gives you a unique sweeping combo
coral willow
they'll release a flail next and you'll have to wait for it to spin up
tbh
willow siren
and with the damage on the branx is just eats hordes
coral willow
brigette flail type of wwapon where it has 15m range as a mele could be funny
hearty panther
charge heavy and block is not something we have in DT yet
coral willow
bret longsword is cool
coral willow
charge heavy and block is not something we have in DT yet
force greatswords being like this could be cool
deflector to charge heavy freely kek
pseudo fiber
Along with the holy great hammer
Absolutely great choice
wise jackal
Hammers in the tide games always felt great, krubers greathammer was the first weapon i got the hang of when i was a noob, so its great to see hammers in this game evoke the same feeling
wise jackal
Im annoyed that H1 does more damage on the thamm than l1
hearty panther
yes
bitter turtle
But the special has it, if a little overboard
the special on crucis needs to do dmg to something other than uynielding
willow siren
almsot free
coral willow
just make it kill crushers
bitter turtle
its such a shit weapon
coral willow
then ill put it in anti-armor category and give my love to it
until then its in the bag
ironhelm has lower damage so has to have like every buff imaginable to kill a crusher without ulting
willow siren
ironhelm has lower damage so has to have like every buff imaginable to kill a cr...
meanwhile most ogryn weapons just slap crushers around
bitter turtle
for one of the most awkward atks in the game
willow siren
hell with batter you can jsut slap crushers to death with your gun
pseudo fiber
They should put teh thing the ironhelm has where there isn't a delay between reactivation onto the crucis though
coral willow
for one of the most awkward atks in the game
ironhelm is fineish
hearty panther
then why two hammers
coral willow
cause it can cleave
wise jackal
How is the crusher mace at least
coral willow
crusis should bring back the AoE stagger
coral willow
How is the crusher mace at least
still quite broken, one of the top 5 zealot weapons
3 is overkill maybe cause first will always be lnife and rashad
🤡
wise jackal
crude siren
What are we thinking for BiS blessings on the new double barrel shotgun?
I've had good xp with scattershot but deathspitter also seems appealing
jaunty rose
i just saw a veteran in krieg outfit that was using power sword and bolter instead of lasgun and shovel.
i want to die
marble mantle
Worth getting?
If not imma just keep firing blanks at helbores til I get a good one
bitter turtle
Worth getting?
looks like a decent start
marble mantle
Bet
bitter turtle
elite is alright
you want carapace /thrust/uncanny
so roll 1 more of those and its good
marble mantle
Groaners and thunder strike
marble mantle
Frowny face
bitter turtle
just wont do the le funny crusher 1 tap
marble mantle
Wild that I’ve bought like 50 helbores at this point and still ain’t got one with a decent stat roll
Wanna make a build with it w FT, Exe Stance and smokes
bitter turtle
theres a lot of dumps tats on helbore
it shouldnt be that bad
ammo and stability are basically nothing
marble mantle
Oh bet
bitter turtle
which mark are you using
marble mantle
2
gilded rock
Helbore reminds me of those animations in games where your character is in a life or death situation but takes their sweet ass time doing something
Why must I caress the gun before I flick it on and why doesn't it stay flicked on 
terse idol
Cause ya gotta turn the safety off
Me watching as the zealot puts the fully loaded bolt pistol in his pocket, flowing garments with safety off
Man's about to lose a leg!
gilded rock
Me watching the veteran stuff a bolt pistol with three lit candles on it into his pocket
tall torrent
What are we thinking for BiS blessings on the new double barrel shotgun?
manstopper + both barrels
gilded rock
What are we thinking for BiS blessings on the new double barrel shotgun?
Run n Gun definitely worth considering as well if using WS
If that's your thing at least
Feels like I reach one shots from further when I use it personally
marble mantle
which mark are you using
Would you suggest 2 or 3
Because honestly I’m not dead set on 2
idle swallow
Mk2 still being quick to shoot without onslaught is nice, usually what I run
marble mantle
Alright bet
Thanks
What should I change? I’m assuming SE and SF
Got really lucky tbh
Finally
idle swallow
Change sprint to unarmored for more consistent dreg gunner 1 taps and sustained can honestly be whatever you want, surgical is the only must have
marble mantle
Bet
Thanks
Why unarmored and not flak? I know you just said that, but is there any reason why flak would be a bad choice?
tall torrent
Why unarmored and not flak? I know you just said that, but is there any reason w...
Because dreg Gunner head is unarmored
marble mantle
Ahhhhh okay okay
tall torrent
And flak doesn’t change major breakpoints for this gun
marble mantle
Bet thanks!
idle swallow
Remember to use the bayonet when up close if the horde isn't too dense, it'll absolutely shred anything short of carapace or monsters
marble mantle
Oh sweet, I didn’t know that! Thanks!
What would y’all change about this? Will be using that helbore
bitter turtle
drop determined (suppression immunity)
you already have suppression immunity on helbores
actuaolyll etme just fix your tree
lol
marble mantle
Oh really? And thanks!
bitter turtle
yea some guns basically are unaffected by suppression
marble mantle
That’s neat
bitter turtle
this is my suggestion based on what you seem to want to take
if you're wondering why agile engagement
it works on the bayonet
and the gun
without swapping
bitter turtle
so if you kill something iwth the bayonet, you get 25% gun damage for a few seconds
and if you kill something with the gun, the bayonet gets buffed
bitter turtle
np
if you want
you can drop uh
longshot for shocktrooper
idk you seemed to want it so i kept it
i dont think it should make a huge difference for you though
redirect fire can also be dropped for shocktrooper ig
marble mantle
Oh okay, thanks : )
bitter turtle
for infinite ammo
shocktrooper is the "no ammo used on a crit" talent
helbores are already super ammo efficient regardless though
but if you find yourself running out of ammo
you can dorp one of those two and grab shocktroope[r
marble mantle
You think the build concept will work?
bitter turtle
if you can avoid getting hit yea it should be fine
marble mantle
Bet
zenith helm
Guys for earning blessings besides melk is the best way to buy the grey weapons and turn them blue to see the first blessing and not take it all the way to golden right?
lost canyon
in what world is the support build the best build for the class meant to be shooting everything in the head
bitter turtle
Guys for earning blessings besides melk is the best way to buy the grey weapons...
idk what's the statistically best way, but blue has a lower chance to roll t4 than gold
so
zenith helm
gotcha
thanks for letting me know!
I just got this for ogy
i know this is the vet chat
wicked epoch
Finally boys
zenith helm
but any advice?
zenith helm
congrats
wicked epoch
azraels build works neat with a powersword and a bolt pistol
Reccommend
recommend
Reccomend
Whatever the fuck
zenith helm
it sure does
wicked epoch
thank you
lost canyon
can someone throw me a marksman focus build?
pseudo fiber
change thrust to high voltage ?
ye thrust ain't great on shock maul
muted knot
what perks do we want on them ?
lost canyon
Marksman focus build anyone? Or is this turbo support bitch territory now?
40yo fig painting boomers who cant headshot anything?
muted knot
talking big words for someone who cant make a build himself
heavy rover
what perks do we want on them ?
imo, can't go wrong with the usual flak / carapace / maniac
lost canyon
I cant be bothered. But ive noticed everywhere i look online that its probably the weakest keystone in the game.
sudden stirrup
Then stop looking online and make it yourself
lost canyon
And everyone is okay with it because everyone playing is a 40yo turbo minature painting super virgin
muted knot
I cant be bothered. But ive noticed everywhere i look online that its probably t...
well theres the Glugger keystone on ogryn
lost canyon
How in the actual fuck did this keystone not get fixed in almost a year since the rework
heavy rover
I've much given up on marksman keystone and pretty much all my builds are with Voice of Command, even with my "marksman" weapons loadout
lost canyon
I've much given up on marksman keystone and pretty much all my builds are with V...
so it is to my understanding that the best performing build is the focus target/voice of command build? And that im hamstringing myself trying to run "headshot all the stuff" build?
tall torrent
I cant be bothered. But ive noticed everywhere i look online that its probably t...
It’s not bad it’s just that most veteran guns don’t need it to perform well
heavy rover
and also because my "marksman" loadout is so ammo efficient I can't remember the last time I ran out of ammo
I mean I still headshot all stuff
just not iwth marksman
tall torrent
so it is to my understanding that the best performing build is the focus target/...
Well no, you’re expected to headshot everything regardless of what build ur playing
lost canyon
no you're only allowed to headshot with marksman focus
Well if you're going to headshot shit, it makes sense that you would synergize with a build built around headshotting shit. fucking jackass
heavy rover
oh boy here we go
tall torrent
<@&735928989146939404>
sudden stirrup
Well if you're going to headshot shit, it makes sense that you would synergize w...
Calls someone a jackass
Came into general chat swinging and bitching about no builds online
Continues to be a jackass
marble mantle
You know sometimes I feel like a dolt coming in here asking about builds all the time but I least I come with something
sudden stirrup
OOOH I GOT CLOWNED OOH BIG BURN
sudden stirrup
Continues to complain about said problem and throws the problem on everyone else
severe gale
Well if you're going to headshot shit, it makes sense that you would synergize w...
skill issue i think
sudden stirrup
marble mantle
Dude has major Womp Womp vibes
severe gale
real
marble mantle
“Game has no builds except VOC gloryhunter plasma gun”
heavy rover
“Game has no builds except VOC gloryhunter plasma gun”
"with powersword"
sudden stirrup
"Is this entire place full of soyboy 40 year old miniature painters?"
marble mantle
He still typing too
severe gale
"with powersword"
powerswor
lost canyon
skill issue i think
? what? pretty sure synergy is exactly how you do any build in any game. Wow i really upset people calling out everyone that plays this game being a turbo virgin minature painter huh
damn you guys got super mad 😮
marble mantle
? what? pretty sure synergy is exactly how you do any build in any game. Wow i r...
Wah wah
severe gale
? what? pretty sure synergy is exactly how you do any build in any game. Wow i r...
no ur just funny 2 laugh at
sudden stirrup
damn you guys got super mad 😮
Man took 5 minutes to say this
lost canyon
enjoy your irrelvant silly game okay boys. Also, women are great btw.
sudden stirrup
He malding
lost canyon
❤️
sudden stirrup
HE MALDING
marble mantle
Wah wah
sudden stirrup
HHAHAHAH
severe gale
enjoy your irrelvant silly game okay boys. Also, women are great btw.
LMFAO
heavy rover
bro i'm just trying to chill and enjoy my Sunday, what you on about
severe gale
he really is malding
marble mantle
I’m married 😭
heavy rover
I’m married 😭
hi married
lost canyon
I’m married 😭
big if true
tall torrent
<@&735928989146939404> can y’all do smth
marble mantle
hi married
Hi helping
heavy rover
well played
muted knot
man ive litterally never seen someone being a more obvious incel
marble mantle
man ive litterally never seen someone being a more obvious incel
You don’t spend much time on Reddit huh
Keep it that way
coral willow
lol
marble mantle
This guy is straight up Reddit vibes
muted knot
You don’t spend much time on Reddit huh
i pride myself on it
marble mantle
i pride myself on it
I used it for a bit for info but goddamn they bitch like they get paid to
lost canyon
ive never seen an irrelvant games discord inhabitants get so angry 😮
marble mantle
ive never seen an irrelvant games discord inhabitants get so angry 😮
Wah wah
potent iris
ok those pings were ghosting the shit out of me
lost canyon
turbo virgins 😮
severe gale
ive never seen an irrelvant games discord inhabitants get so angry 😮
who here is angry?
white minnow
aqua asia
tall torrent
ok those pings were ghosting the shit out of me
Thanks
coral willow
so what did he do again
untold hull
marble mantle
https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowns-gif-26474330
So real
severe gale
so what did he do again
throw a tantrum over nothing
marble mantle
My best response is “wah wah”
sudden stirrup
so what did he do again
He went into general complaining about lack of builds for Vet Marksman, continued to complain, went in here and complained more with a bit of name calling out of nowhere, and yeah
potent iris
so what did he do again
he doesn't know how to use marksman's focus properly
bannable offense
white minnow
his marksman was not focused
hearty panther
https://tenor.com/view/clown-clowns-gif-26474330
this assume competence of coreography on behalf of two participants which is simply untrue
marble mantle
he doesn't know how to use marksman's focus properly
Doesn’t really know how to use anything properly it seems
coral willow
He went into general complaining about lack of builds for Vet Marksman, continue...
namecalling
kek
untold hull
is Marksman that dmg stacks keystone?
severe gale
bannable offense
he sounds like hes from reddit, double ban
coral willow
he doesn't know how to use marksman's focus properly
damn
marble mantle
is Marksman that dmg stacks keystone?
The standstill one
white minnow
+ranged finesse damage on weakspot kill, stacking
severe gale
is Marksman that dmg stacks keystone?
headshot gives buffs
coral willow
i still dunno how marksman is supposed to work
least after the buff its definitely viable
marble mantle
i still dunno how marksman is supposed to work
I’m not really a fan of it
But it’s not for me
potent iris
you just headshot things, you get buffs and it's pretty much just a dps increase
untold hull
I tried it out not too long ago and I actually fell in love with it
it's really rad, once I get the ball rolling on my agrippa shotgun it turns into a minigame of keeping the headshot ball rolling
potent iris
it's actually pretty simple lol, and yeah kinda fun
untold hull
addicting
marble mantle
I tried it out not too long ago and I actually fell in love with it
it's really ...
I definitely think it’s easier on M&K which I am not
last pewter
Marksman + a Helbore is my prefered way to play Vet
coral willow
restricting movement is the most i can get out of that, even if it has other things like rending for it
tall torrent
It doesn’t restrict ur movement
marble mantle
I just made a smoke exe FT build with helbore and it fucks pretty hard
tall torrent
6s free movement window is very generous
potent iris
it really doesn't restrict movement, you get like a 6 second grace period on headshot kills...and if you ain't getting a headshot kill every 6s when you're shooting at stuff idk maybe play ogryn instead
frank basin
? what? pretty sure synergy is exactly how you do any build in any game. Wow i r...
TURBO VIRGIN MINATURE PAINTER
potent iris
hell you get a grace period just for landing headshots too, it doesn't even have to kill
coral willow
it really doesn't restrict movement, you get like a 6 second grace period on hea...
after the buff its super nice yea
potent iris
less than 6s but still
coral willow
before it was like 1 second and 3 seconds
marble mantle
it really doesn't restrict movement, you get like a 6 second grace period on hea...
What type of metal you listen to
Saw your bio
severe gale
**TURBO VIRGIN MINATURE PAINTER** <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163> <:KEKW_ogryn...
(note that like 80% of the people here dont play tabletop)
tall torrent
still quite restrictive i think
It’s not
coral willow
i tried, didnt like that much
potent iris
What type of metal you listen to
mostly metalcore as of late, I like melodic deathmetal and thrash too, powermetal...honestly most stuff
frank basin
(note that like 80% of the people here dont play tabletop)
Turbo virgin chuckled me
Same word i discovered “Britbong”
severe gale
i called a friend of like 2 years a turbo virgin once and he blocked me on everything
frank basin
Also chuckled me
untold hull
on my build, standing still is viable lol
I only use the special slug on agrippa per headshot kill to maximize damage, then have all the talents that lead me to regen up to 30-40% toughness per shot/kill or sth
slug oneshots almost all elites and specials, knocks anything stronger on its ass
it's surprisingly busted
marble mantle
mostly metalcore as of late, I like melodic deathmetal and thrash too, powermeta...
I fuck with all of that tbh. I mostly listen to grindcore, goregrind and SBDM. Very good for this game
frank basin
Turbo virgin
severe gale
I fuck with all of that tbh. I mostly listen to grindcore, goregrind and SBDM. V...
super black death metal
marble mantle
Slaughterer Chainsaw by Extermination Dismemberment is a great one for high intensity games
severe gale
u wanna know music thats great for darktide
marble mantle
super black death metal
Slamming brutal death metal lol
faint beacon
Headhunter Auto Rifles tend to pair really well with Marksman Focus as well seeing well, its the gun that benefits the most from landing headshots
marble mantle
u wanna know music thats great for darktide
Baby shark do do do do do do
marble mantle
https://open.spotify.com/track/6BWwOL0DEK1aLaDjyipjZj?si=c8c3df4968a64657
Oh yeah this too
severe gale
i deeply fuck with keygen church
they r peak
thank u ultrakill for introducing them to me
severe gale
loud
marble mantle
Accurate
severe gale
i dont really like most like
i guess the word is heavier
metals
because i like being able to understand the lyrics
marble mantle
Oh I do that’s like my shit
marble mantle
because i like being able to understand the lyrics
What. Are lyrics