veteran-class

[coral willow]

also not good but hey its your sprinting baton

i like mk3 tbh

but i think you require thrust for the crusher oneshots?

[bitter turtle]

yes

[coral willow]

and pretty strict damage

[bitter turtle]

im just saying

if you intend to boost your horde dmg

skullcrusher only does something for mk3 light spamming

[coral willow]

hm would a thrust skullcrusher work

kek

[bitter turtle]

but its still

eeeeh

like

we're talking like 40 seconds on that chart

[coral willow]

question is is it better than deci kek
deci is still quite popular for folding shovels

[bitter turtle]

i think deci is better if you dont drop it

i hate deci though

[coral willow]

extremely easy to drop it

[bitter turtle]

yeah

and you can still hit the 1tap with thrust/sc im pretty sure

i dont think its worth though

but SC also boosts fold dmg

[coral willow]

if it didnt have a 2 second limit and stayed infinite it might be the more hated blessings probably

[bitter turtle]

so its the same as probably trying to hit a 0 stack uncanny 1tap

which is possible

[coral willow]

i thunk i tried to do that on my mk7

the pullout time is quite annoying

[tawny badger]

you guys know any good alternatives to the devil’s claw mk IV for horde clear?

[bitter turtle]

yes

i mean

what are you looking for in particular

because theres plenty

[tall torrent]

No

It’s exclusively thrust + uncanny

Everything else are inferior

[bitter turtle]

yeah but i think he asked

is it possible

[coral willow]

cool, gonna run hammerblow skullcrusher

[tawny badger]

I guess a general use weapon with good horde clear that doesn’t feel like it falls off instantly against carapace

[coral willow]

[bitter turtle]

rashad

:^)

[tall torrent]

U do u

[coral willow]

i need to make a better shovel

[tawny badger]

the.. combat axe?

[bitter turtle]

yes

its the best weapon in the game

good vs all targets, good horde clear

[terse idol]

I love cutting hordes like butter and then still having a 3-4hit crusher BP

[bitter turtle]

needs to be godrolled though

[terse idol]

You can make a bare minimum rashad like I have

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-18999842

[coral willow]

mine has a 69 finesse roll

so idk if its a godroll

[bitter turtle]

high rolls on every statline, 51+ mobility, unarmored perk + carapace/flak, headtaker+BM

[tall torrent]

Unarmored + carapace is best

[terse idol]

A god roll being 80 on all damage stats

[bitter turtle]

yeah i agree cara is best

but i would still use a flak one

if thats what i rolled

[terse idol]

You can make do with like minimum 70 on all damage stats, but you gotta then support it with a bunch of talents

[bitter turtle]

i guess 2nd perk can be anything rly

[bitter turtle]

unyielding works too

[terse idol]

Pretty alright

[bitter turtle]

looks great

[tall torrent]

Good luck

[austere pine]

sire milk will apparently become a mission giver

[bitter turtle]

just pray it doesnt get bricked

[austere pine]

giga bricked ho ly

[bitter turtle]

rip

[tall torrent]

GG it’s over

[coral willow]

gigabrick

[tawny badger]

come on man I can't have SHIT in this house

[bitter turtle]

rest in pipperonis

[terse idol]

Shoulda only rolled to purple

[bitter turtle]

dont feel bad

[terse idol]

😭

[junior needle]

[bitter turtle]

Plush ragequit the game for a month trying to roll rashad

[coral willow]

anyone run thunderous on non-ogryn?

[tawny badger]

alr fuck this I'm switching to my shovel

[tall torrent]

No

And even on Ogryn, no

[coral willow]

what do you usually use on basher then?

[austere pine]

on basher?

[tall torrent]

Thrust/skullcrusher + haymaker

[coral willow]

i use skullcrusher and thunderous on mk3

[tall torrent]

7/7 tier IV blessings collected on boltpistol

@bitter turtle u wanna play

[coral willow]

why haymaker though?

just questioning

i like the funny onwshots it gives sometimes

[tall torrent]

It’s funny

If I’m playing ogryn in the first place I already gave up on logical decision making

[coral willow]

cool, running thundy then

[tall torrent]

And thunderous just isn’t that good

[coral willow]

its worse than any rending but you use what you get

[tall torrent]

No it’s just that it doesn’t help ogryn much

[bitter turtle]

drawing rn

so im alr

thanks for offering though

[tall torrent]

The only case it rly helps is if u melee with thunderous then use stubber vs carapace or smth

But like

[bitter turtle]

thunderous + bloodletter chainaxe :^)

[coral willow]

unless there is a good way to counter crusher with basher, i know ogryn weapons have innate high carapace pen and dont need it that much i just wanna know whats the other option than funny haymaker

[tall torrent]

That’s so much effort compared to just meleeing

[coral willow]

i have one but perk is bricked

[tall torrent]

Damn ok

[coral willow]

unarmored carapace

[coral willow]

what you recommend on gauntlet then?

i use thunderous cause funny bleeding for the most part

[tall torrent]

Grenadier gauntlet?

Pinpoint + gloryhunter

It’s a special sniping gun, might as well

[coral willow]

huh

[tall torrent]

Shattering doesn’t do that much for it

[coral willow]

we recommend pinpoint + shattering from what i remember

[tall torrent]

The thing is, shattering really only exists for crushers

[tacit sonnet]

Is chainsword 13 now better than 4 after changes?

[tall torrent]

No

[coral willow]

i dont like c13's heavy so no
idk

[tacit sonnet]

I feel like it was more of a preference before

But no idea how it is after the changes

[tall torrent]

Well no, before it was just 4 being better 90%+ the time

Now it’s more like 4 is better 60~70% the time

[idle pecan]

is penetraton needed

[tall torrent]

Very important

[tacit sonnet]

Very needed

[idle pecan]

is this good

[tall torrent]

It’s fine

[idle pecan]

shoul.d i keep going?

[tall torrent]

Less fine

[bitter turtle]

yes

[last parcel]

nice dclaw

[coral willow]

not great

hope you roll god on the last two

overwhelm ain the worst cause saul has great blessings

but it aint optimal

i wonder if we'll get more parry blessings

chain weapons getting s parry where if you parry a attack it deals decent damage to attacker might be cool
it also might be annoying but hey thats why its a blessing

[uncut pebble]

I'd like a "parry" blessing for force swords on psyker.

[coral willow]

parry auto-initialting the force charge would be cool

[uncut pebble]

I wouldn't say that, but a free push attack when you timed block that does increased stagger would be nice.

Especially if it could knock down heavy hitters like ragers, maulers, and crushers.

[tawny badger]

damn I forgot how much I hated the pox gas mission modifier

[civic path]

the Mushroom Fart mission

[coral willow]

someone was deadass running that on a saul now that i remember it

so whats this chart from

exactly

10 brusiers? 100 poxwalkers?

[thorn lark]

iirc it is 100 pox

and it's @short vapor

[tall torrent]

50 groaner 50 pox iirc

[thorn lark]

oh yeah 50 50

for crusher the number represents a very ideal situation of every mob grouped together in a very tight spot

not really a horde except if you are door spawning

[marble forum]

I tried recon 2 with exe and MF, to me it doesn't work very well unfortunately. I'm doing better with krak, shout and no keystone. Yes, shout is boring but exe is so frustrating in its current state because there will always be that little shit to stab you in the back. Onslaught might not be the best with recon 2 but it seems to perform as good on carapace when I'm out of krak than all those range bonuses + chink and rending strikes. My builds almost all end up the same but there's a massive difference when I can't rely that much on my team in terms of survivability 🤔

[short vapor]

I have been summoned. For the record, that's an old 100pox, not a 50/50. Was more of a first pass of a more thorough testing page. If I ever get around to it I can make an up-to-date version sporting a proper 50/50 test + bruiser damage + mixed horde clear.

[junior needle]

Let me guess, sneaky told you to do that

[coral willow]

idk how lacerate was tested but it shouldnt be high up regardless

so guess nothings wrong with it

[junior needle]

Overshout is overwhelmingly preferred for good reason

[idle pecan]

good?

[junior needle]

If you you're taking onslaught you don't really need MF and the rending node for it

[marble forum]

I decided to give a try to the builds I saw here earlier. There was a conversation about recon builds

[junior needle]

Sneaky is the only person I know on here who would recommend that setup. She's also a masochist.

[idle pecan]

is that 13g chainsword good?

[junior needle]

Looks good, it'll be fine

13g isn't quite as high potential as the 4 but functions very well as a chaffe destroyer

[idle pecan]

thats all i need it to do

[junior needle]

You just light spam

You want wrath and either rampage or shred

[idle pecan]

i have a dumdum ciagv that shreds everything

just need something to reliably insta shred chaff

[marble forum]

I mean, if you play with friends that can watch your back, why not 🤔

[idle pecan]

0 for 2

bruh

tragic

[marble forum]

rip

[junior needle]

If you have a full party you regularly play with and know you can get away with it, then it can be fine. But the benefits of overshout in both organized and pub lobbies is massive.

[coral willow]

anyone use bloodletter

[junior needle]

Whereas exe is "you kill things a bit better when you're left alone"

[bitter turtle]

haymaker was probably making the difference there

lacerate mercy is 80 seconds kill lmao

[marble forum]

100% agree. I will stick to my previous build. I like exe with the good old plasma gun because... Well, plasma gun

[thorn lark]

it would have been higher with flesh tearer 🤓

[coral willow]

lacerate is one of those forget the guys you were just knifing and go knife other guys but its not the fastest i guess

[bitter turtle]

no im saying

the actual ideal setup for lacerate light spam is the slowest by a significant margin

so lacerate isnt rly doing anything for h1 h2 on mk6

[junior needle]

Fresh from my auric maelstrom lobby

[bitter turtle]

its ust haymaker killing stuff

not that i'd suggest an uncanny haymaker mk6

[coral willow]

lacerate is still the most used here kek

[bitter turtle]

yes

[thorn lark]

not even a mobility stick

[bitter turtle]

because a lot of blessings werent tested

bc they are useless on poxwalkers

wtf would uncanny do

[coral willow]

dont poxwalker infested take like half bleed damage

anyway

[bitter turtle]

idk

just saying that the chart is clearly testing only blessings that have a meaningful effect on poxwalkers

otherwise itw ouldnt be precog + nothing

for some of the tests

[coral willow]

fair point

[bitter turtle]

that and its not a comprehensive list either

i went and tested some gaps in the data when i was helping path write the guide

[coral willow]

yeah infested has 0.5x adm for bleed which does get countered by uncanny.

[bitter turtle]

like savage sweep + nothing and rampage + nothingn for chainswords

"nothing" being bloodletter

[coral willow]

still flest tearer better if you can get more crits(plentiful on zealot) but yknow

stunn dunno why unarmored bleed less than flak

its a very fatshark balancy shit if i ever saw one

[bitter turtle]

obv

when you jam the knife inot flak armor

the flak little metal bits get inside your organs

and make you bleed even more

[coral willow]

fair point

[junior needle]

Jump into another auric maelstrom

2 lacerate knife users

[winter grove]

@tall torrent I think you were right about longshot carrying my plasma
Without it I can't oneshot dreg gunners

Otherwise I can oneshot everything without longshot

except ogryns ofc

[uncut pebble]

What mod lets you set your weapon ui like that?

[last parcel]

2d inventory

[somber axle]

I found something that may help with building a Plasma for the breakpoints Numbers Cat mentioned (idk if it was already said I am off and on because of work)

[junior needle]

And another one

[winter grove]

I mean

That's going for most optimal one

My plasma does it's job well while being unoptimal

plus I got tags just in case

[coral willow]

he uses tag damage up for 10 second thing to offset not being oneshot dreg gunnees p sure

[tall torrent]

yea I checked plasma breakpoints pretty extensively, it's a fairly restrictive weapon

[blazing veldt]

what's your pr for most deaths in a run you salvaged

all 24 were both psykers

[thorn lark]

4 wounds psykers without venting shriek?

[blazing veldt]

2wounders running assail with telekine

[thorn lark]

😮

[blazing veldt]

and to make it even worse it was only auric sniper gauntlet

sniper gauntlet >telekines

what

how

[thorn lark]

my god

[somber axle]

I would not be surprised if you were skeptical

I played this

And I am skeptical

[blazing veldt]

holy shit

[somber axle]

They died a lot, I joined in late, but I still think it bugged out

Because I have no idea how this is possible

[blazing veldt]

that's like 1 entire sedition worth of players

[somber axle]

I joined in more than halfway through the map and even still despite how many times they died after I'd joined this feels excessive LMFAO

[thorn lark]

my god

[faint beacon]

is that a death every 20 seconds

[thorn lark]

yes

[faint beacon]

I feel like im being lied too

[thorn lark]

is it even possible?

[faint beacon]

there's no way unless it was the full team dying back to back

[somber axle]

I was there and it feels beyond belief

I screenshotted it just because it is funny bugged or not bugged

They died a LOT

[blazing veldt]

I think this is entirely possible, at places where respawns are in the same area as enemy spawns

[somber axle]

I can't possibly imagine them dying this often

[radiant chasm]

could be people that die and leave

then a bot respawns, but then the bot is filled by a player, who is likely lagging on entry because of how this games works

[somber axle]

That's possible but like wow that means matchmaking was just feeding people into a meat grinder for who knows how long before I joined LMFAO

[radiant chasm]

literally happened to me today and last weekend

join, everyone but me is dead or downed, some people filter through and eventually after 3 minutes we have a full competent squad

competent being an udnerstatement it was me on psyker, with another good psyker, and 2 recon vets who aimed like they were using controllers

[somber axle]

Morrow and Wolfer were playing a game of "will it blend?" shoving rejects into Nurgle's Atoman Blender until a clown jammed the gears

[blazing veldt]

lore accurate darktide

[wild vortex]

Fellas

How tf do you make that stupid doom shotty work

What does it need

Why can't it kill fucking anything on my Weapon Specialist Vet

[blazing veldt]

have you tried manstopper

[wild vortex]

I don't have the blessing

[last parcel]

use it in <10 meters range

[wild vortex]

Because for some dumbass reason that shotgun has its own blessing pool

I have Scattershot + Full Bore along with flakiak

[somber axle]

Double Barrel Shotgun wants Manstopper/Both Barrels, Infested (killing Poxwalkers at any distance with minimum pellet count) and use it with Weapon Specialist for the quick reload on swap from Always Prepared under the WS keystone. Always shoot things at or near melee range. 0m to 8m is the ideal range to shoot. If you want a long range weapon the Double Barrel Shotgun isn't going to work out

Full Bore is bad because it is never going to give you value unless you are making an enemy swallow the barrel before you fire

The pellets go wide

[last parcel]

feel free to skip infested if you're using agile engagement

[blazing veldt]

if you want a long range weapon with DB shotgun the combat blades count if you're fast enough

[wild vortex]

Thanks

[wild vortex]

Yeah probably will

God now I need to farm another one

[jaunty sphinx]

whats the general consensus on the new weapons?

they both seem fun

[coral willow]

poxwalker what

hmmmm

[somber axle]

As funny as that sounds, it allows it to become an effectively anti-horde tool on top of already being powerful vs elites/specials but the bit about infested or Agile Engagement is able to kill poxwalkers at any range with min pellet count to my understanding

It can one shot Maulers in close range so it doesn't need much more power there

[coral willow]

on vet with ranged power or can be done on zealot?

[last parcel]

you can also use executioner's stance but

[coral willow]

trollo:

[somber axle]

I am a clown and even I wouldn't do this but now I want to

[last parcel]

it's actually kinda fun

[coral willow]

stop being a clown and take off iron will

[somber axle]

Max out ranged damage throughout the talent tree, juice it to the brink then pop Exe Stance and feed a Plogryn the end of the shotgun

[somber axle]

I am a clown but I have standards. I know it seems like I don't but I promise you they exist. They're just very low

[coral willow]

why is mine lower than yours then

[somber axle]

Because I might be a clown but I don't live on rock bottom

But on the flip side

[coral willow]

smh

[somber axle]

I am doing this with the Recon Mk VId when I get home

I kinda want to drop Shock Trooper for Camo to actually get Marksman's Focus stacks

Then I can use a Recon with Dum Dum + Sustained Fire or something

Dum Dum Infernus maybe...

I could skip Precision Strikes and take Deadshot instead

Hip fire only weapon except for initial bursts to light things on fire

https://tenor.com/view/firebat-blaze-hots-starcraft-firebat-gif-22379520

I want to see if somehow this ends up being stronger than my other goofy builds for killing Crushers

Ooo maybe drop Shock Trooper for Marksman instead...

[last parcel]

and then drop relentless for bring it down

[torn gorge]

and then drop accatran for a laspistol

[somber axle]

If it kills the boss in 5 seconds maybe it doesn't need to last any longer than that

[last parcel]

i'll drop you into a rockcrete mixer

[somber axle]

Laspistol isn't Dakka. Laspistol is Dinky. Very similar but also very different wear it matters

[sturdy zephyr]

Whats MkVId base crit chance?

Only with ADS?

[torn gorge]

las weapons are fake dakka

otherwise orks would be using them

ofc

[somber axle]

Vet base crit chance (5%), 5% crit chance talent node, Deadshot 25% crit chance, Headhunter (+5% crit chance on weakspot hit per stack, stacks up to 5 times to a max of 25% crit) = 60% crit chance at max Headhunter stacks with Deadshot active. You could also put a 5% crit chance perk on your weapon to get the max potential crit to 65% but tbh I generally do not because I would rather have Carapace, Elite, Flak or Maniac depending on whether I am using a Recon Mk II, Recon Mk VId or Recon Mk VIIa

Since it has a crit string of 2 across all variants 5% crit chance doesn't mean just 5% of shots as crits. I think someone mentioned that the crit string makes it effectively 9.5%?

I am unsure if Recons themselves add any additional crit on top of this

Afaik Laspistols get an additional 5%?

[coral willow]

doesnt it base 7.5% idk

i dont remember

critchain weapons act wierd

[sturdy zephyr]

Thats what i was curious maybe hidden information in everygun

[somber axle]

There's definitely hidden info but short of using mods to see it I am unsure how to verify this

[sturdy zephyr]

I saw a thread before long ago

Laspistol base crit are 15%

[last parcel]

i think path checked with one of the source code watchers and included it in the guide

[somber axle]

I don't have the 2.0 guide

The original guide doesn't list it afaik

[hidden quiver]

What are some generally good weapons to go along with infiltrate? I'm trying put dagger and double barrel shotgun currently

[jovial aurora]

recon 6 is so fun

[sturdy zephyr]

Revolver

[jovial aurora]

i've been using it on scriers psyker and it's interesting to say the least

[sturdy zephyr]

Or any high dmg per shot gun works. Even columnus V melts.

[somber axle]

Scriers Psyker can do funny things with the Recons

[jovial aurora]

side note i am literally awful with the vet rn lmao

my least payed attention to char used to be my main

then psyk corrupted me

really enjoying ogryn of all things rn tho for some reason

[somber axle]

You can do Infernus and Dum Dum. The dot from Infernus gets the damage boost from Dum Dum and you don't have to rely on Deadshot or Headhunter to get crits either

[sturdy zephyr]

Its 5sec buff 30% dmg?

[somber axle]

Psykers don't get Shock Trooper though

[jovial aurora]

it's 40 percent plus 30 percent finesse and it carries 10 seconds after. also psyk aura kills carry over into the CDR so if you play your cards right only downtime is dumping peril

[last parcel]

that's why you go knife with mettle, the scrier's movement boost, and stabbing blue DD targets to get to the ammo first

[junior needle]

Scriers Psyker can do funny things with the insert gun here

[jovial aurora]

plus you have warprider progressively increasing power and the beloved disrupt bonuses on top of all that WITH true aim. can get some nutty numbers going lol

[junior needle]

They're comparatively poor picks without the benefit of shocktrooper

[jovial aurora]

maybe if you literally never use your melee weapon?

the ammo cap on these things are frigging huge now

[junior needle]

It's hard to compete with finesse monsters like laspee and ciag

The only benefit recons feasibly have over those is shock trooper ammo efficiency

[jovial aurora]

just because something crunches numbers better doesn't mean it's fun

[junior needle]

Anyone can find anything fun, so that's a bit ethereal

[jovial aurora]

not really

[junior needle]

I'm talking in terms of objective performance

[jovial aurora]

it's totally viable and fun

[junior needle]

Well, viable is another loaded term

[jovial aurora]

it doesn't have to be the absolute BEST all the time

is what i'm saying

so quit splitting hairs lol

[junior needle]

I never said it did, I'm just letting people know in case they care about performance

[jovial aurora]

like having a conversation with a 13 yo

it performs fine lol

[junior needle]

Uh huh

[jovial aurora]

not everything has to be to the MAX

otherwise we'd all be using plasma gun and p sword all the time

[junior needle]

Yes I'm sure you're a very pleasant person with an approach like that

[jovial aurora]

says the guy picking apart every opinion that's because it's not MIN maxed enough lol

anywho

[junior needle]

I never said minmax anywhere

[jovial aurora]

literally like a 13 year old with asbergers lol

[last parcel]

[jovial aurora]

splitting hairs and gaslighting every chance you get aren't ya lol

[junior needle]

No, you however are quite fond of throwing out needless insults.

[jovial aurora]

just calling it how i see it my dood

[uncut pebble]

Saying someone is "13" and has autism is not making you look good, bro.

Just saying.

[junior needle]

I didn't call you a big smelly poopy head, I'd appreciate it if you didn't do it to me.

[jovial aurora]

noone here asked for what's best so please stop trying to prove OPINIONs wrong lol

is my only point

[uncut pebble]

Frankly it makes you look very childish and like you're deflecting a valid point.

[junior needle]

Well, you can say you think it's fine, I'm not saying you're wrong. All I said was that there's better options typically.

[jovial aurora]

you live for discord arguments don't ya lol

[junior needle]

And that recons do not hold up comparatively well without shocktrooper.

Oh, the irony.

[jovial aurora]

they literally hold up fine because of their massive ammo cap

[uncut pebble]

You're literally egging it on for zero reason and making something out of nothing.

[jovial aurora]

your opinion is like a week and a half old

[junior needle]

Their ammo cap is reduced in overall efficacy due to lower damage per shot.

[uncut pebble]

Soldier has very valid points.

[junior needle]

An importat consideration when determining ammo efficiency is damage per shot vs actual reserve.

[torn gorge]

[uncut pebble]

The ammo cap is lower on other classes due to 1) them not having access to an actual ammo reserves talent and 2) the lack of shock trooper.

[junior needle]

That too.

I forgor about the ammo talent

[jovial aurora]

and having actually used the damn weapon

i'd say it's literally fine throughout the course of a match lol

[uncut pebble]

I have also used the weapon on all 3 classes, just for the argument.

They feel awful on zealout and psyker, outside of gunker.

[white minnow]

yeah, feels pretty awful on zealot given that they don't have access to recons

[junior needle]

You can think it's fine and it can still be a lower tier choice. Nothing about this is mutually exclusive.

[uncut pebble]

My mistake, I thought we were talking about laspistols.

[junior needle]

You are not wrong for liking something, or subjectively enjoying it.

[uncut pebble]

That being said... recon only feels good with gunker builds for psyker.

[torn gorge]

in the hand of an ogryn what is an accatran if not a laspistol?

[jovial aurora]

which is literally what was said to begin this stupid wordvomit of a conversation lol

[uncut pebble]

All 3 = vet, zealout, psyker; but zealout doesn't have recons as I incorrectly thought we were talking about laspistols. I still have used recons on both psyker and vet, though.

[junior needle]

I wasn't even here for the start of it

[uncut pebble]

I was meaning specifically for psyker. Vet does fine regardless with them.

[jovial aurora]

with the proper perks

[uncut pebble]

Though I'd much rather take an infantry or helbore lasgun over a recon.

[jovial aurora]

which is the exact same thing you said about psyker

this convo is dumb and you people literally argue just to argue lol

[uncut pebble]

I don't think you can read, brother. I said "vet does fine regardless."

[jovial aurora]

oh so now we're changing the narrative

because before

[uncut pebble]

You can do any number of builds with them.

[jovial aurora]

it was it doesn't do well because psyker doesn't have the access to the ammo pool perk or shock troop

[uncut pebble]

Yeah? It isn't that far out of the way to grab those perks on any vet build.

[jovial aurora]

you see how this just looks like you people argue just to argue?

[uncut pebble]

You do VoC and it's like 2 points away.

[jovial aurora]

it isn't too far just to grab the scriers ability

[uncut pebble]

You could do infiltrate and go for focus target and still be only 2 points away from those talents.

Exe stance has even less investment to get those talents.

[stiff pasture]

Doomslayer vet unironically goes hard in auric

[uncut pebble]

Like... I don't know what exactly your argument is but it seems like you're pulling a strawman just to be a turd.

[junior needle]

No one is out to get you here, I think you need to relax a bit

[jovial aurora]

you literally keep changing the narrative just to keep YOUR stupid strawman point alive that wasn't even YOUR point to begin with lmao

[stiff pasture]

Db chainsword shout and frags are so damn fun especially when you have teammates

[wild vortex]

I have been trying to make it work but my shotgun is clearly shit

[jovial aurora]

you literally just argue just to argue and that's half the reason newps don't stick around this discord

[uncut pebble]

I haven't, though? I said psyker only does well with a gunker build and vet is good regardless, so long as you get those talents. I never changed anything I said.

Please learn to read.

[uncut pebble]

You doing weapon specialist with always prepared for the quickswap crit?

[stiff pasture]

Surprisingly no

[jovial aurora]

this was right under when you decided you needed to back up soldier

there it is

your original point

literally just argue just to argue lol

[uncut pebble]

I believe you are taking that out of context.

So... maybe stop talking?

[jovial aurora]

it couldn't be more in context

[uncut pebble]

I said it performs worse.

Because it does.

[jovial aurora]

that's what i would say if i'd just been called out too lmao

[uncut pebble]

The only reason gunker can hold a candle to vets is due to crit builds.

[jovial aurora]

this right here

[uncut pebble]

Which, again, does not contradict anything I have previously said.

[jovial aurora]

this was your original point

you're just changing your points to keep swingin bud

[uncut pebble]

I haven't changed any points, what are you even talking about?

[jovial aurora]

idk how much more out of context the point you're trying to project now could be

gaslighting now are we

[junior needle]

If you're concerned that peoples behavior is driving away new players, I don't think hostility like calling people 13 and/or insisting they have aspergers is helpful on that end.

[uncut pebble]

^

You really aren't doing yourself any favors.

[jovial aurora]

you guys rn

[last parcel]

what does this even mean lmao

[junior needle]

But we're 13

[uncut pebble]

Between jumping the gun and not having coherent arguments, on top of insulting people that have valid points... I don't know what to even say to you.

[last parcel]

bro wants to watch 13 years olds with aspergers fucking 💀

[uncut pebble]

Fr.

What a peculiar specimen.

[thorn lark]

Ok guyz. What do you think about the power sword nerf????!!!!

[stiff pasture]

This is the shotgun I’m using rn

[junior needle]

Power sword was nerfed?

When?

[jovial aurora]

i mean you literally keep changing your points to keep arguing so maybe just give up already?

[stiff pasture]

Maximum speed reload

[thorn lark]

Multiple times. It's a POS now.

[last parcel]

[junior needle]

I mean true, but it hasn't been nerfed recently

[uncut pebble]

Again, I've never changed my points. You are just insane.

[wild vortex]

I will never understand why this discord tends to attract absolute pedants with 0 ability to coherently contribute to social discourse

[jovial aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[thorn lark]

Nah jk. Sunder was buffed for some reason.

[stiff pasture]

Meat shots on scabs are unironically really funny to do

Muties? Folded

Ragers? Mulched

And fuck that one trapper in particular

[uncut pebble]

Can db knock down crushers?

[thorn lark]

I think I'll never get manstopper

😦

[wild vortex]

I keep putting off levelling Psyker

That's my only hope

Of getting that stupid ass blessing

[frank ledge]

Grow up Pal

[marble mantle]

Bro FS reaaaally doesn’t want me to have manstopper on the new sg

[uncut pebble]

Lmao, more people are coming to see the rage fit bro threw.

[jovial aurora]

also @junior needle after testing in meat grinder i'm fairly certain you're completely wrong about columnus being more ammo effecient

[junior needle]

The mk2 (most ammo efficient recon model) does have slightly better ammo efficiency than the ciag on bodyshot, but much less on headshots.

[thorn lark]

I have 4 classes. Zealot is 700+, vet 540+ and psyker 400+ I am NOT leveling again

[junior needle]

If we're going by baseline flak numbers

[marble mantle]

Same

[wild vortex]

Damn that's a lot of playtime...

[jovial aurora]

weakspots to unarmored over 10 shots are around >175 average for recon 6 at 80 percent roll

[wild vortex]

I feel like a scrub on this Discord most of the time

[jovial aurora]

weakspots for columnus IAG are at 225 at 80 percent

[marble mantle]

Same but it’s cool

[uncut pebble]

Play time does not equate to skill. Keep that in mind.

[marble mantle]

Just be glad everyone else crunched the numbers before you got here

[junior needle]

I can do some quick maths real quick, hold on

[thorn lark]

Damnation and Aurics only since February 2023

[jovial aurora]

the ammo cap on columnus is around 580 for a max ammo roll

[iron marten]

It’s fine! I’m +1090 on my vet and I still keep learning new things!

[uncut pebble]

I've seen several level 300+ people in quickplay that are actual bots.

[wild vortex]

Yeah I've carried enough ASS and Auric Exemplars to know that, but still, it's humbling sometimes

[junior needle]

It is indeed 580 for maxed ciag

[wild vortex]

What was that gif lmfao

Who posted that

[uncut pebble]

@last parcel how the hell do you even have that on hand so fast???

[wild vortex]

[uncut pebble]

That was literally a 2 second delay between the message and the gif.

[last parcel]

have what on hand

[uncut pebble]

I see you're practicing the 3 g's.

Gaslight. Gatekeep. Girlboss.

[iron marten]

I don’t trust what you say, especially with THAT avatar

[last parcel]

wow i must be a 13 year old with assburgers

[wild vortex]

[uncut pebble]

I mean... If the shoe fits?

You said it, not me.

[stiff pasture]

So fun fact about the shotgun I use

[marble mantle]

Asperger’s isn’t even a thing anymore it’s all just ASD

[stiff pasture]

It reloads so quickly

It doesn’t even finish the animation

[uncut pebble]

[wild vortex]

[marble mantle]

Also I’m really enjoying weapon specialist with indig saul and db

[idle pecan]

Is it a mod that makes that look like that

[somber axle]

Wow I look away for 30 min and chat goes wild LMFAO

[uncut pebble]

Just somebody with a chip on their shoulder being an ass for no reason.

Nothing to be concerned about.

[jovial aurora]

at 80 percent ammo on recon it's 960 total ammo and 640 total on the column, based off of weakspot unarmored hits averaging at 175 and weakspot unarmored for column at 225 in my testing the recon is actually more ammo effecient

[iron marten]

You’re not you when you’re hungry

Snickers really satisfies!

[jovial aurora]

bro who hurt you? you still mad?

[last parcel]

no that's just how it looksl ike normally

[jovial aurora]

we're actually getting to the bottom of this lol

[uncut pebble]

Yes. Mods can alter the descriptions of talents, weapons, curios, etc.

[junior needle]

Which recon? The mk2 is the most efficient, so I was going to use that. Unarmored is a bit of an odd choice, but I think it's better to use reserve vs reserve since mag size has no bearing on ammo regeneration.

[somber axle]

I'm not going to read everything but tbh even without Shock Trooper Recons still do solid damage. The ammo efficiency takes a hit though and tbh even then they're still good. Not CIAG tier but nothing is tbh. Literally no other automatic weapon in the game is up there. But I could absolutely show you that my Recons will outshoot the Agripina Infantry Autogun or Graia Infantry Autogun. I could also outshoot the Braced Autoguns too. They're good weapons but a weapon's performance beyond stats alone comes down to the person behind it and what talent set up they're comfy running with them

[jovial aurora]

this is in a perfect world of course where everything is unarmored and only weakspots are hit. if we allign every damage type to every armor etc we'd be here all night

[jovial aurora]

the 6

[idle pecan]

What mod is that in the image....for research purposes

[junior needle]

I was going to use flak as the baseline, the recons would get demolished on a maniac or unyielding comparison without shocktrooper.

[uncut pebble]

I don't know, and even if I did, I don't think I'd give it to you, respectfully.

[marble mantle]

numbers

Honestly I just pull the trigger and stuff dies idk

[junior needle]

I ran the numbers on them and 2 is the most ammo efficient variant unless you factor in cleave, so it would be a better comparison I think.

[jovial aurora]

we were initially talking about the 6 so i just tested the 6

[junior needle]

Very well, I can use the 6 instead

[jovial aurora]

i don't have a 2 or mods to test with lol

[junior needle]

I have mods and should have 80/80 variants of every one

[jovial aurora]

i do too but having used both the recently buffed 6 and the columnus on a scriers psyker i was curious what the actual effect of the ammo buffs to them were. they're alot better than they used to be for ammo effeciency regardless

[marble mantle]

This for recon lasguns?

[jovial aurora]

yueah

[marble mantle]

Only one I really use is 2 just because of how good it feels

Feels very accurate and hits pretty hard

[jovial aurora]

oh shit yeah 7 is the one that burns 2 shots ain't it

[rigid schooner]

well, i got my vet to 30, and i didn't manage to get manstopper on the double barrel
rip

that said, i'm at a bit of a loss for proper builds

[coral willow]

make a side character for it

[jovial aurora]

what is manstopper?

[coral willow]

it stops man

[rigid schooner]

tier 2 locked blessing

[last parcel]

t2 shotgun blessing that gives increased cleave on crit

[coral willow]

it increases cleave to like 20

i think

[jovial aurora]

oh weird

[coral willow]

not sure on the stats but basically a area deleter when you crit

for zealot its spicy with scattershot cause it also works on your throwing knives

so it becomes a railgun

[junior needle]

A ciag will get 157760 total damage on unarmored weakspot hits (580 x 272), whereas a 6d will get 92400 (880 x 105). If you include the held magazine (which doesn't benefit ammo regen, as it's only based on reserve) then it will be 173536 (638 x 272) on the ciag vs 111300 (1060 x 105) for the 6d.

[coral willow]

so 6d is still ammo hunger

what about 7a?

[junior needle]

It's the least ammo efficient recon, 7a is the second best and quite close to the 2, which is the best.

[manic cloak]

@somber axle Hey duder, I'm making a Mk II Reconlas. Best perks/blessings?

[coral willow]

2 being actually god

[junior needle]

6d is noticeably the worst

[marble mantle]

Honestly I really like using (any nade, they all fuck) VOC and WS

[coral willow]

gives a smile to me

cause like

graia

kek

[marble mantle]

Really fell in love with WS

[coral willow]

or kourk stubber

[marble mantle]

Especially with Saul and Db

[junior needle]

Flak + maniac or crit chance, hh and dumdum

[coral willow]

middle of the road being shit doesnt help anyone and im glad middle of the road isnt a shit

[somber axle]

Headhunter and Dum Dum. Flak is the most important then either Maniac or Crit chance (preferably Maniac imo)

[junior needle]

Infernus is only decently competitive with dumdum on the 6d.

[coral willow]

its funny

[manic cloak]

Thanks!

[coral willow]

cause before it did less damage to maniac

[manic cloak]

Also thank you!

[coral willow]

but it does less damage to flak now

fun

[junior needle]

But with the recent buffs dumdum likely has an edge

[coral willow]

least it up lines up with other lasguns

bad finesse smh

[marble mantle]

How is lightning reflexes? I haven’t really used it

Oh shit I also forgot to ask — does smite electrocution count for High Voltage proc?

[jovial aurora]

interesting. with the dead on accuracy of the lasguns it's not really in a bad spot compared to objectively the best weapon in the game lol

[junior needle]

Better than they used to be, but an unarmored comparison also doesn't take into account the iag's positive multipliers to maniac and unyielding.

[coral willow]

yes

[jovial aurora]

that's what the DS4 hungers for

🙏

[junior needle]

Recons also have noticeably negative modifiers on everything by default, which is harder to overcome on psyker.

[marble mantle]

That fucks

[junior needle]

I can't recall how much general rending they actually have but I remember it not being much.

[coral willow]

reflex also counters:
ragers
dog jumpscare

i still havent tried blocking crushers

[jovial aurora]

i'm pretty sure one of them actually has some pretty hefty rending now

[coral willow]

does it actually block overheads

[jovial aurora]

can't remember if it's the 7 or 2 tho

i think it's the 7

[coral willow]

tbh

i want 7a recon on my zealot now

feels like its a laser equivalent of agri brauto

[marble mantle]

Oh damn

[jovial aurora]

i mostly like the 6 cuz it's a lawnmower and fun to use lol but idk if i'd like it on zealot

i use hh3 with hh and da on him

[junior needle]

They all have the same rending values now, negative across the board on maniac/flak/carapace/unyielding.

It was normalized in the patch, 7a used to have better values than the others.

[jovial aurora]

their maniac and flak were actually buffed too with the buff wave so that just speaks to how bad of a spot they were in

[junior needle]

Depends on the variant, 7a was nerfed from what it was before (1.0 on unyielding/flak)

But yes they were in a very bad spot

The 6d had egregiously bad modifiers

[coral willow]

0.4 maniac

ah yes drugged skin bounces bad lasers

was it 0.6

anyway

[junior needle]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't that bad (at close range at least)

[coral willow]

it still bounced lasers

[jovial aurora]

it wwas .6 at near

[coral willow]

considering muties and ragers are both high health targets annnnd the gun sucked at killing both of them

[junior needle]

Here it is

[rigid pilot]

Wasn't this really long ago

[junior needle]

It was BAD

Yes, that's what it was like for about half a year

[coral willow]

wait what

it had the

[jovial aurora]

depends on your perception of time i guess

[junior needle]

until the secrets of the machine god

[jovial aurora]

but they were buffed like a week or two ago lol

[coral willow]

backwards ADM just like normal lasguns?

huh

[jaunty sphinx]

which shock maul should I aim for

[coral willow]

also maniac literally just swapped places fuckin

[junior needle]

6d used to have inversed falloff, the others had normal

[rigid pilot]

It's unhinged

[coral willow]

ah

[junior needle]

That patch changed it to regular

[coral willow]

thats wierd

[junior needle]

And also nerfed it

[rigid pilot]

The damage on 6d is just sad except on unarmored

[coral willow]

flak was dumbed down i see

6d is a laser pointer weaponized

would you have it has a laser pointer

[junior needle]

That's the old patch, now 6d has better* modifiers

But still negative

[rigid pilot]

I don't remember them changing adm recently

[gilded wraith]

Which recon would you recommend running now?

[jovial aurora]

not that it really matters but they also underwent a pretty large upgrade to dodge, sprint, and aiming templates

[coral willow]

i want it on zealow now tbh

looks fun to wield

[rigid pilot]

Oh so they did change damage too

[marble mantle]

If they get recon las I want eviscerator on vet

[jovial aurora]

theere's the full patch notes regarding recons

[marble mantle]

That’s the trade

[coral willow]

tbh

if i wanna get a vet gun

i''d chose helbores

[jovial aurora]

revolver for dayss

[coral willow]

can zealot please have a gun with melee attached

[jovial aurora]

vet builds are strong enough to compensate for the amount of pandering you have to do to the revolver to make it truely busted

i'm told scriers with volver is kinda wonky too but i've always reserved my volver time for my vet

[marble mantle]

Honestly I don’t use the revolvers, they feel way too strong. Same reason I don’t run plasma really

Just overtuned imo

[jovial aurora]

i personally don't think so when stacked up to potential dps of shit like the columnus lol

[rigid pilot]

6d still isn't that good vs rager waves

Mainly because it lacks any form of stagger

[jovial aurora]

the reload time kills on volver. never really rocked the plasma myself i don't like the feel of it

[marble mantle]

Sure, compared to the strongest ranged weapon in the game lol

[junior needle]

2 or 7a

6d is lacking a bit numerically and also received some very unnecessary changes to make it clunkier

7a also has da cleave

However the 6d feels the most fun because of rof

[rigid pilot]

7a has cleave?

[junior needle]

2.7 cleave

[rigid pilot]

Wow, iirc groaners are like 0.8 mass?

[junior needle]

Wait actually it's 3.0 now

According to wartide

[rigid pilot]

That's 3 groaner

[coral willow]

same cleave as bolter or agri brauto

before it was 2.7 so less

[junior needle]

It has beeg cleave

[rigid pilot]

Sounds so sad that bolter is next to a brauto but we live in atoma

[junior needle]

Not revolver tier but beeg as you get on a fullauto

[coral willow]

dont ask why a 20mm rocket propelled projectile has same pen as a laser

kek

like bistol has 0.001 cleave

[rigid pilot]

Because it explodes for zero damage

[coral willow]

dont ask why

[uncut pebble]

4 stacks of flak ragers back to back...

[junior needle]

Something about bolts exploding on contact

[uncut pebble]

I killed so many with assail its not even funny.

Normal damnation mission, too.

[last parcel]

someone shit in the director's cereal

[rigid pilot]

Spawns are fixed finally (but not really)

[marble mantle]

I wish bolt weapons felt stronger

Like they really should be

[uncut pebble]

Also encountered a vet running 3 wound curios.

[coral willow]

idk

they feel strong

least the big bro is

[uncut pebble]

Wanted to punt him out of a window.

[coral willow]

the lil bro needs a step-up

kek

[uncut pebble]

They just need to make puncture work on the explosion and it'll be worth using outside of being a diet revolver.

[marble mantle]

I stopped running wound curios today and barely died, just getting used to it without the training wheels

[torn gorge]

[jovial aurora]

eh imo they just make you die more lol

[idle pecan]

If you're gonna go down three times the game is probably fucked anyway

[jovial aurora]

especially on vet curios are YUGE

[marble mantle]

Yeah I kinda figured that out

[rigid pilot]

That would be amazing but make will create another meta blessing issue

[jovial aurora]

fuckin over 225 for both health pools makes my psyker feel like a delicate lil flower

[idle pecan]

What would be best curios for vet

2 toughness 1 stam

[jovial aurora]

curios are 100 percent subjective

[vague osprey]

Tough, health

[jovial aurora]

whatever you play best with outside of wounds lol

[rigid pilot]

I started running stam on knife vet

I stopped running sniper res entirely

[vague osprey]

Being able to be shot my a sniper and live with a sliver of heath is awsome

[coral willow]

i like it when the game gives me 2 poxbursters back to back, only way to survive 2 of them coming near you and detonating without your consent is to have a wound curio so you dont get instagibbed lol

[idle pecan]

2 tough 1 stam
Gunner res
Ability cool down
Stam regen

Recon lazgun vet

Ez

[jovial aurora]

keep in mind the resistances have diminishing returns

the 2nd is like 14 percent and the 3rd like 6 iirc but don't quote me

[rigid pilot]

The telopot special is stam tough health with 3x +5% health and toughness and some randomly stuff

[idle pecan]

Yeah but fuck gunners

[jovial aurora]

meh they're fine just kill better

[rigid pilot]

Gunner res is real nice imo because it makes it easier to trade with them

[idle pecan]

I have the awareness of a brick so I don't notice them until I'm almost dead 🧱

[coral willow]

its 20%

is it multiplicative?

if so that might suck kek

[rigid pilot]

It's less reaction and more knowing where to look for hidden gunners, map knowledge helps alot

[jovial aurora]

i know they have diminishing returns when you stack them

only ones i run stacked gunners on is zealot and ogryn

[rigid pilot]

Yea

First is 20%, two is 36%

[coral willow]

i usually run stackked gunners

but good to know

i usually stack 3

[jovial aurora]

ogryn becuz obvious reasons and zealot because space racist must yell and dive into all hordes

[coral willow]

0.8->0.64->0.512 hm

[rigid pilot]

Three is 48.8%

[coral willow]

halves

not that good i guess but least i know more

[idle pecan]

48.8 is still good no?

[jovial aurora]

that my guy

is up to you

[rigid pilot]

Curio slots are precious

Always run 30% revive speed

[jovial aurora]

fuck those guys

be the one to need the 30 percent revive

[torn gorge]

30% more dockets you mean

[jovial aurora]

[jovial aurora]

lmao

[idle pecan]

15% chance of curio best

[jovial aurora]

docket chads

[coral willow]

is it full stack to +30% rev

kek

[rigid pilot]

Yea

[jovial aurora]

he wasn't joking lol

[coral willow]

vet gets a +20% auto lmfao

kek

curio one is p funny

[rigid pilot]

+50%

[torn gorge]

unless you play so much that you have tens of millions

[jovial aurora]

alot of people actually run ordos when tryna grind

i will sacrifice some tankiness for the grind personally, some won't

[idle pecan]

Ong

[coral willow]

i just play auric qp and cope at teammates

kek

[torn gorge]

auric qp with dockets curio is what i do ye

[idle pecan]

Tbh I haven't needed ordos since I rolled a groll ciagv

[rigid pilot]

Pick them up fast so they die again and you loot their consumables

[jovial aurora]

i had a guy have a meltdown earlier cuz i was running a green +3 but clipping wasn't enabled

[idle pecan]

Huh

[jovial aurora]

i got five characters with many different shitter builds to fuel my guy. it never ends

2 psykers tho cuz psyker the best

[coral willow]

my zealot has 12 builds and i crave for more melees

or least give me a gun with proper melee so i can build around it

kek

[idle pecan]

You will take your hellbore and you will LIKE it

[coral willow]

give me a helbore on zealot

and i will scream in joy

i have to take a fucking headhunter and im forced to like it

or doublebarrel i guess thats a option now

[idle pecan]

Hellbore super underappreciated

[coral willow]

i try to like it but it doesnt feel good without charge on zealot :/

i'd totally use FotF with ti just for the style points

[idle pecan]

Ah ok

[coral willow]

charge stabby

idk it sounds cool

hope zealot gets a bayonet weapon someday in the future

[tall torrent]

diminishing returns is kind of a misleading way to put it

u still cut dmg by a lot

just because it's multiplicative doesn't mean stacking 3x is not worth it, it all depends

[junior needle]

Wouldn't diminishing returns still be a technically correct description?

It doesn't imply you want to or should stop

Just that, correctly, there's varying amount of less value gained

[tall torrent]

technically yes but it scares people too much

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-handle-the-truth-gif-7916035

[tall torrent]

What

[junior needle]

"Don't tell people the truth because it scares them" reminded me of that

[tall torrent]

It’s not that

It’s the fact that people hear diminishing returns and immediate write it off

Going from 2x gunner resist to 3x gunner resist is x0.64 vs x0.512 in terms of gunner dmg, a ~13% reduction overall

But it’s still 20% less dmg (x0.8) compared to running 2x gunner resist

Diminishing return also only exists for resistance type perks

Neither sprint nor block efficiency have “diminishing returns” because they’re calculated as inverse

Ex: 15% sprint efficiency x1 / x2 / x3 is +17.6% / +38.4% / +62.8% longer sprint time

[junior needle]

Yeah DR is expected to be multiplicative

[covert moat]

Blergh

Total TDR I've been able to figure out for a stealth vet is like 87.2% for 10 seconds.

That's not including minor pips in the skill tree (if any)

[tall torrent]

People think of diminishing returns as too much of a negative when it’s still reducing dmg as usual

[junior needle]

Yet another lacerate zealot, and this thing

[tall torrent]

(Also 3x 15% sprint efficiency is good)

[last parcel]

a fellow reloadmaxxer

[covert moat]

What's a lacerate zealot?

[coral willow]

its-ah-me

[covert moat]

Ah

Ello

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/modern-family-fat-kid-spray-go-away-what-gif-7354432

[covert moat]

No don't spray the zelot

You'll get their tomes wet

[last parcel]

thanks to this, i can skirmisher max

[covert moat]

Thoughts?

Recently got a new one

[umbral scaffold]

OKAY, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE THE GUN PEOPLE

I need some tester guy thing to go into the psykhanium and check two things that I think might actually be the bolt pistol's ADS problem

The ADS seems to go on a W pattern when aiming

I think this W pattern might actually be going even when not ADSed, and then when you try to ADS again, the gun inherits a position on that W

I think I'm onto something

[covert moat]

Wha?

[umbral scaffold]

Basically, if you ADS the bolt pistol, there is a sway pattern

The weapon will cycle through that sway pattern while ADSed

[covert moat]

Respectfully in reality all weapons either sway in a w pattern or a sideways 8 pattern. This is due to the natural breathing we do.

[umbral scaffold]

Ugh.

Yeah, no shit.

[covert moat]

...

[umbral scaffold]

Now onto what I'm actually trying to say

[covert moat]

Rude

[umbral scaffold]

I believe the bolt pistol is still looping through that W pattern when the player is not ADSing, and when the player does ADS the bolt pistol, the aim takes the coordinates of a position on that W loop

[rigid schooner]

so the theory is that instead of starting from a determined point, it just continues from the last point

[umbral scaffold]

Which in turn makes the gun aim off-center

Yes

Well, not even the last point

Let's say it's going around a circle at 90°/s

I ADS and it's currently at 0°

I wait 1 second and it's now ADSed at 90°

I let go of ADS, wait one second and ADS again

The gun would be at 180º because it kept following the pattern on the background

It's, like

It's such a Fatshark tier of jank

[covert moat]

Have your tried......compensating for aim sway? We do this in the actual military as well

[umbral scaffold]

Jesus fucking Christ

[covert moat]

Thr amount of time I've spent in the range is stupid

[umbral scaffold]

How do I compensate for a sway to which I don't know the position of?

I don't even know the exact W pattern the gun takes

[covert moat]

Your a very aggresiv3 person

Not a fan

[torn glen]

Hip fire it, no need for all this ADS math

[umbral scaffold]

If the gun is doing a W pattern on the background, are you genuinely asking me to track every second for a possible location within that sway pattern just so I can ADS pointing the gun where I actually want to?

[covert moat]

.......

[rigid schooner]

put crosshair on mans
simple as

[covert moat]

It's like trying to teach a fish to swim at this point

[rigid schooner]

[torn glen]

stop trying then

[bitter turtle]

not addressing your issue directly, but doesn't deadshot negate the sway

[covert moat]

Fair enough lol

[umbral scaffold]

I think it does, but I don't really like using it

[umbral scaffold]

Maybe if you understood what was being said and didn't immediately come assuming I don't know guns sway?

Discussion always go very well when you immediately assume the person you're talking to is completely clueless

[covert moat]

Or be considerate that I'm just trying to have a simple convo with you? And not be extremely passive aggressive to everything I say?

[umbral scaffold]

But yeah, if anyone can test the W theory I'd love to hear more about it

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

[umbral scaffold]

If you did, you wouldn't have been so ignorant

You would have tried to understand what I was saying instead of assuming, again, that I have no clue what weapon sway is

If you had any questions about something you didn't understand, you could've easily asked them

[covert moat]

I'm not ignorant I just downright hate aggressive people that take the slightest offense to simple convo attempts because it's not going their way like a small child not getting their cookie after dinner

[umbral scaffold]

You did not, by the way

[rigid schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/didnt-cope-hard-enough-cope-sackboy-littlebigplanet-pop-gif-25362772

[junior needle]

Lacerate is a blessing that's bad, zealots are the ones usually running it

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/g4-g4tv-boosted-frosk-ovilee-may-gif-25083755

[covert moat]

Thank you friend

[junior needle]

Strangely that's my first maelstrom win today, I'm 1/5

[last parcel]

guess you need lacerate zealot for good luck

[covert moat]

I did my first auric maelstrom last night while completing my met fab 36 penances

Was a bit of a learning curve but made it in the end

[junior needle]

I had one in all the other games

or two

[last parcel]

[covert moat]

Is lacerate the bleed blessing?

[junior needle]

One of the bleed blessings

[covert moat]

Ah

Is bleed percentile tic damage?

[umbral scaffold]

Lootbox win

It comes in lacerate zealot form

[junior needle]

Bleed is a static but nonlinear amount that is not a percentage

[covert moat]

Gotcha

The wikis I've ran accross don't really touch of the effects and shit too much

[junior needle]

The damage also varies depending on the armor type of the enemy

[covert moat]

Gotcha :3

[midnight raptor]

whats my dump stat on a plasma gun?

[last parcel]

charge rate

[midnight raptor]

ty

[covert moat]

Is this a good plasma btw?

I got a new one after this that was better and traded this in for blessings

[last parcel]

damage is low and volatile is bad in plasma's current state. you want >=78 for dmg and stopping power

[last parcel]

i hope you picked up blaze away

[covert moat]

I did I'm pretty sure

If I didn't well shit oh well

[rigid pilot]

For plasma you almost never want to do the charge shot

[covert moat]

I dont

I don't like popping like a psyker

[rigid pilot]

Takes more ammo, and more heat, and lower dps

[covert moat]

Ye

[rigid pilot]

I usually only charge up to maximise damage on unaggroed bulwarks

[covert moat]

Oo

Let me load in and see what I got

[last parcel]

if you don't get the dmg and sp, you can use longshot/redirect fire to help make up for it

[rigid pilot]

That's probably for a target focus build

[rigid pilot]

Ye

[somber axle]

This is the build he uses for those those stats

It's funny that it has such specific breakpoints

[covert moat]

this is my new one

[somber axle]

69% thermal resist for the extra shot before heat cap has to be intentional by the devs

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-bass-excited-going-crazy-gif-13328016

[rigid pilot]

Damage might be a little sus for breakpoints you need to try it out in the psyk

Mainly dreg gunner headshot

[covert moat]

Oh I go for body shots.....welp time to aim for heads more

I blame the military

[rigid pilot]

You aren't required to kill 5000 targets in 20minutes

[covert moat]

XD

But I wanna

[torn glen]

Gets Hot is really nice with Deadshot

[last parcel]

call in an airstrike

[covert moat]

So I did good?

[last parcel]

what are you talking about deadshot doesn't work on plasma

[rigid pilot]

It doesn't?

[somber axle]

Also! If you test the Plasma in the Psykanium be aware there is a visual bug where firing shots at the head are incorrectly registering as "flak" instead of carapace. The damage is properly being tracked vs carapace modifiers but the floating text from the Meat Grinder is bugged

[torn glen]

[rigid pilot]

I never tried

[somber axle]

Deadshot has been bugged on Plasma since beta I think LOL

I think at this point it is intentional by the devs as not being usable with it

[torn glen]

Honestly, take the blessing and try to make a Plasma with Stopping Power as the dump stat

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-yes-ok-yes-no-maybe-gif-4215261154783028917