veteran-class

[coral willow]

gonna use close damage for now then

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/mochi-cat-peach-gif-23391148

[rigid pilot]

If there are at least 2 other vets running krak, 6 kraks will delete any boss

[coral willow]

save for itemization kek

[shadow aurora]

Oops meant other way around. Does the close dmg apply to aoe is what i was asking

[coral willow]

i run +1 nade and winblast

[coral willow]

ah no fucking idea

[somber axle]

I was just about to jump into a game so that's good timing

[coral willow]

havent tested this shit, winging it

[shadow aurora]

Then its up for debate

[somber axle]

I'll DM you my Fatshark code or whatever but I'm also not sure how I'm doing the voice chat thing LOL

[coral willow]

twinblast

triggering for every krak you throw

and 6 kraks on a boss

is beyond funny

tbh i should change my build to take the uh really good resup talent

[junior needle]

There are voice channels in this server

[tall torrent]

now ur just trolling lol

[coral willow]

i think that is really good

[tall torrent]

field improv?

it's good but not iron will level of good

[coral willow]

well unless the room is filled with psykers, zealot with knives, and ogryns with rocks

been getting used to not spamming nades btw

and taking iron will instead

[tall torrent]

just take iron will all the time

not that difficult

[coral willow]

but my nade!!!

[livid fractal]

can i get a build for Kantrael Las centric veteran

[tall torrent]

ur gonna be fine

free 50% TDR is way better

[livid fractal]

specifically Kant Ia

[spring spindle]

You’re getting one back every minutes if you build right anyway

[coral willow]

mw when spamming nades on every elite wave i see

idk nade is fun

thats all i can say really

[somber axle]

That works!

[tall torrent]

u shouldn't need to in the first place

[coral willow]

they should add a ogryn weapon that is just a bag of unused nades and it does the old grenade box where it only explodes in 20% chances

[coral willow]

i know but its fun to do so

anyway

[coral willow]

i am taking iron will more over demo team nowdays

[tall torrent]

then just drop attack speed node

power sword works without it anyways

ur not playing rashad

[coral willow]

the melee build im running does run iw over dt btw

switched thanks to you

but i dont in my other builds

[livid fractal]

how important is the 10% Rending skill on Kant Ia

[tall torrent]

it shouldn't be "this specific build I'm running IW"

ur just trolling for the purpose of being different

[coral willow]

ik, im just chucking nades

[tall torrent]

pretty important

[coral willow]

wee

[tall torrent]

1a is kind of a point hungry gun

needs suppression immunity, shock trooper + rending

[livid fractal]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b6092fd-bfd0-4650-b999-8dcc45492929/lasgun-5 atm im running this but drop the last stam regen boost for shock trooper

im trying to figure out how i can shove another point in for determined

[torn gorge]

you can play ES instead and avoid the suppression node

[coral willow]

anyway whats the best weapon for zealot to deal with shooters
been thinking of hitnrun dumdum on graia

[faint beacon]

gonna try Chainsword seeing I haven't touched those in ages

[livid fractal]

ES?

[torn gorge]

executioner stance

[tall torrent]

laspistol with ghost

[coral willow]

still the classic huh

[tall torrent]

I mean why wouldn't u

[coral willow]

i have a laspistol but the locked blessing is infernus

[austere mica]

This build makes me sad

[livid fractal]

I am running ES

[coral willow]

so i have a dumdum infernus mk2 laspistol and uh i dont wanna run the mk10

[livid fractal]

If you have any suggestions by all means go ahead
I just want something that makes Kant Ia slap

[tall torrent]

1 headshot all shooters, minimal accuracy loss under suppression, fast ADS move speed, instant sprint to fire

zero recoil & excellent hipfire

[coral willow]

i suck at aiming it lol

i use it on my taxe build

kinda never use it i think somehow
its great sidearm to carry

[tall torrent]

do u use throwing knives more or fire nade more

[livid fractal]

do you have a build you suggest?

[coral willow]

knife

almost always knife unless im doing hammers

[tall torrent]

why are u bad at headshots then

how

[austere mica]

I have modifications to this one

[livid fractal]

Shoot

[coral willow]

idk i do better eith knives

[livid fractal]

also what melee runs well with Kant las

[austere mica]

You running this just for lasgun?

[livid fractal]

yeah

[frank ether]

anything with carapace pen

[livid fractal]

plan is get situated, pop F, roast every shooter in sight

[austere mica]

Anything generalist

So a chainsword, powersword, shovel

[tall torrent]

ur the first person I've talked to who uses throwing knives most of the time but somehow "can't aim hipfire"

[frank ether]

psword, knife, maul, combat axe etc ettc

[torn gorge]

kn0ife as well

[austere mica]

all work great

[tall torrent]

that's genuinely insane to me

[torn gorge]

if you plan on running frag nade

[livid fractal]

hear me out

[torn gorge]

chaxe has no mobility

[livid fractal]

damn

[coral willow]

no the laspistol ADS
i think laspistol hip has decent hitrate but sometimes it goes off the mark

[torn gorge]

if you main 1a and run ES you have to be mobile

[tall torrent]

u don't need to ADS for <20m enemies

[livid fractal]

might go for PSword when i can get my hands on it, will just run my offbrand chsword in the maintime

[torn gorge]

and have a source of space creation

[frank ether]

laspis has that weird ass tilted ADS

[tall torrent]

the goal for u is to get a couple headshots off and just push melee

if ur zealot

[livid fractal]

i have pcycler 4 but nothing else good lmao

[coral willow]

i might have a bad eye then

[tall torrent]

u don't need to head click every single shooter in the room

[frank ether]

oops sorry didnt meant to quote

[coral willow]

ill post mine later

aince infernus is locked i think i just use it for DPS ranged

[livid fractal]

also what changes

to the build

[tall torrent]

that's fine

[austere mica]

Hold on

[last parcel]

who is on and why am i holding them

[tall torrent]

if u run blazing piety it's a ton more dmg for laspistol

[coral willow]

ye

do i need dumdum

cuz currently its dumdum + infernus

with infernus locked

[frank ether]

I tried zarona today after like ages of not touching it

[frank ether]

damn boltpistol is not even close lmao

[austere mica]

4 extra points

do whatever

[torn gorge]

if you dont want keystones you can do

[tall torrent]

dum dum is very strong

[austere mica]

also Born Leader isn't necessary

[tall torrent]

but if ur going for the purpose of making shooters easier to deal with

[torn gorge]

beside opening salvo

[tall torrent]

ghost is more valuable

[torn gorge]

which i put there by mistake

[austere mica]

as for the gun there is a guide in the pins here

check that out

[coral willow]

ill just use dumdum and better luck next time then

[austere mica]

most comprehensive class guide

[coral willow]

is there a point to uh

mk10 heavylaspistol

too slow for my liking

[tall torrent]

not much

it's not as good as mk2

[torn gorge]

idr how the breakpoints change with MF

for the mg1a

but thats a fun minigame to play

[tall torrent]

u could also run braced auto with hit&run

or better yet

[frank ether]

its not that hard with spam guns

[tall torrent]

columnus with hit&run

plus dance of death

zero recoil infinite uptime

[coral willow]

that sounds fun yea

problem is all my columnus is like

dumdum and something else

deathspitter fire frenzy and uh speedload

[tall torrent]

graia 8 works too

[coral willow]

speedload one has the perfect perk

ill go for graia

[frank ether]

you dont have to have a columnus

[coral willow]

mostly doing every weapon has a build challenge

[frank ether]

agripina is pretty busted in my disgusting opinion

[coral willow]

which is why i dont wanna use revolvers to end of time

sgrapina is p busted

[torn gorge]

as long as you pace your shots

[coral willow]

i like using dumdum/deathspitter on it

[torn gorge]

and you know how to control recoil

[tall torrent]

agripinaa IAG is the worst IAG imo just because practically it's the worst at killing gunners at range

[thorn lark]

and second wind :0

[coral willow]

it does great damage for me regardless so i use it on my rashad

[frank ether]

You can juice it to one shot them

[tall torrent]

yea second wind is super strong

[torn gorge]

play MF on AIAG

[frank ether]

I havent done extensive range testing on zealot

on vet it does fine

[tall torrent]

needs MF + exe stance or smth

extreme dmg juice

[coral willow]

for zealot its just a hardhitting IAG that can pen shit isnt it

[tall torrent]

without exe stance AIAG doesn't feel nearly as good as the other two

stagger gunner on headshot + suppression, highest recoil per shot, low mag size

stagger gunner on headshot genuinely kills it for me

[frank ether]

it has pretty easy recoil if you burst

I build it to one shot them anyway

[coral willow]

burst is for chumps

🤡

i have a near perfect one

[tall torrent]

yea but like

at that point

v3 / v7

[coral willow]

i dont like v3

AIAG feels right to me

[torn gorge]

V3 HH? its v easy to control

[coral willow]

v3 does great but i dont think its a full auto gun

[frank ether]

It doesn't lock you to burst

[coral willow]

i have some issues with it

[torn gorge]

but AIAG has silly finesse multipliers

[frank ether]

v3/v7 want you to juice the gun just as much tbh

[coral willow]

v7 is fun on zealot

just cant seem to oneshot the lower elites though

[tall torrent]

not as hard as going exe + MF

[coral willow]

so idk what to do with it

[frank ether]

people run those guns with either deadshot mf or exe mf or some other giga juiced combination

[bitter turtle]

v3 doesnt really need juice to be functional

weapon spec + DA does a lot

[tall torrent]

v3 is literally a backpocket armor buster

[bitter turtle]

swap into it and 1shot most elites with a single burst

[rigid pilot]

Weapon spec v3

[thorn lark]

v3?

[coral willow]

i cant aim for headhunter half the time but its 2nd in row for carapace dispatch i guess

[tall torrent]

vraks 3 headhunter

[bitter turtle]

v3 scales insanely well with weapon spec

[thorn lark]

vraks 3?

[last parcel]

vraks 3 headhunter autogun

[thorn lark]

👌

[rigid pilot]

How does it do so much crit carapace damage

[bitter turtle]

you literally gain 1k dps on a mauler for example with a fully stacked weapon spec, even 1 stack is +500 dps

[bitter turtle]

cus DA

[coral willow]

v3 has great flak damage right

[rigid pilot]

DAddy 😩

[coral willow]

still not sure about crushers

[bitter turtle]

even ignoring dps race situations, the guaranteed crit is extremely good

[rigid pilot]

People tell me v3 melts crushers

With crits

[bitter turtle]

it doesnt exactly melt them but it can kill them

[coral willow]

idk takes half a mag for me

[frank ether]

It does if you build giga rending

[coral willow]

aint putting it on "i go with this on crusher packs"

better than any other option though

v3 does do great damage

[tall torrent]

v3 doesn't need giga rending

just rending strikes alone

[rigid pilot]

What's the blessings for a weapon spec V3, DA + headhunter?

[bitter turtle]

yea

[rigid pilot]

I forgot if HH gets headhunter, ok yea

[tall torrent]

it's somewhere like 1400dps with rending strikes alone which is pretty impressive tbh

[coral willow]

when are we getting burstfire lasgun

[bitter turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plQkZWxDGQ4

[rigid pilot]

Recon

[bitter turtle]

difference between no wep spec and wep spec

[coral willow]

kek

[thorn lark]

rending and the tbta?

[bitter turtle]

v3 is one of the few guns that benefit both from the guaranteed crit and fire rate buff

[tall torrent]

what's tbta

[bitter turtle]

i dont have rending strikes in that vid btw

[thorn lark]

the bigger they are

[tall torrent]

yea

[rigid pilot]

Oh so take tbta?

[tall torrent]

I still think rend is good for headhunter just to make up for some maniac dmg

[bitter turtle]

rend is good

[tall torrent]

yea both ogryn dmg and rend

[bitter turtle]

i just dont have pts for it on my tree

[tall torrent]

that's abt it for vraks 3 tbh

[rigid pilot]

Yea those are expensive

[bitter turtle]

if i didnt run ||infiltrate|| i would though

but yea idk

i think wep spec v3 is the best way to play it

feels so good to proc wep spec with any number of stacks on it

normally you have to be very accurate to kill flamers quickly and control the burst well

guaranteed crit makes it easy

[thorn lark]

do you need hh if you already have ws for the crit?

[bitter turtle]

yes

i mean its not like you literally only shoot 1 salvo

its nice if you need to keep shooting

also synergy with the fire rate buff

you can stack up HH real fast

[tall torrent]

u could run smth like this for vraks 3 with WS

[bitter turtle]

yeah that is probably best

im a memer that runs infiltrate is all

so i cant afford rending and ogryn

[tall torrent]

only problem with v3 is that it's usually in ammo negative

cuz u take 2 bursts to kill specials most of the time

[bitter turtle]

that's why weapon spec is also good

[tall torrent]

unless ur a flick god

[bitter turtle]

1 burst to kill flamer/gunner without much skill required, and your melee is strong so you naturally use it a lot and save ammo

[tall torrent]

if u just want to juice dmg tho

MF vraks 3 is disgusting

but I don't enjoy that

would much rather MF laspistol

[bitter turtle]

yeah MF is gonna juice more dmg ofc

[tall torrent]

yes because HH makes vraks 3 have basically infinite crit uptime

[thorn lark]

if you have to sacrifice kraks to get rending and or tbta to deal with crushers....

[tall torrent]

U can run krak and give up some other things

[thorn lark]

or you could go chaxe 4 and keep smokes

[bitter turtle]

dont really need kraks on a WS build almost ever

your melee should be hella strong and kill cara easily

unless you just wanna stunlock bosses

[tall torrent]

U only miss out on elite dmg if u go Krak

[thorn lark]

and ammo

[tall torrent]

Ammo is not the most valuable

It’s mainly elite dmg

Cuz on WS build u don’t shoot that much anyway

U shoot only to keep melee specialist going or to kill specials

[bitter turtle]

ideally you're just shooting with the WS buffs up

of course the gun is super precise so if you need to you can still just get into a shooting match with a gunner pack if its needed

[thorn lark]

you could go that way with a chaxe as well

i wonder, does the rev stack onslaught?

[faint beacon]

Okay I ask

what is the best Combo for a simple Horde Clear Mk XII Orestes Chain Axe

[tall torrent]

No

[faint beacon]

felt like trying this goofy thing out

as in

not melee combo but

Blessing Perk etc

[tall torrent]

Slaughterer + headtaker

Carapace

[faint beacon]

Flak?...........

Or maniac

[rigid pilot]

Is the mk12 the new one or the old one

[faint beacon]

New one

[tall torrent]

Cuz I think chainaxe just isn’t worth running if ur not gonna make it at least capable of 1 tapping crushers with conditional buffs

[faint beacon]

actual reliable Horde Clear lights

MK VI is the old one

[rigid pilot]

I take thrust headtaker

One shot crushers

[tall torrent]

It’s not as good as mk4

[coral willow]

does mk4 have a way to onetap?

[rigid pilot]

Very pog

[tall torrent]

Yea

If u have slaughter + headtaker stacks up

Or if u have thrust

[coral willow]

rev heavy after i assume

hm

[rigid pilot]

I like thrust on 12 because the regular heavy can oneshot ragers and gunners

[faint beacon]

I get that, mainly just want something cause Im growing tired of the Rashad atm

[rigid pilot]

No rev required

[faint beacon]

trust me I love the thing but im getting burnt out HARD on it

[coral willow]

thrudt on 12 is fun to murder muties

[tall torrent]

Shock maul

[rigid pilot]

Saul gud

[coral willow]

tacaxe 7

[faint beacon]

it is fun... but I am not feeling it either........

Besides I use that for my enforcer loadout lmao

[coral willow]

i like 7

[faint beacon]

The methhead melee

[tall torrent]

Play pickaxe on Ogryn

[coral willow]

does graat single and horde

[faint beacon]

that thing is pretty fucking funny

[thorn lark]

chaxe 4 is really good

[thorn lark]

most of the people shitting of the taxes tried them once or twice one year ago with a subpar build and never bothered to change their opinion

[coral willow]

been enjoying chaxe 4 again

[thorn lark]

or learn the moveset

is it a rasha, no

[coral willow]

idk mk7 suffered from chronic disjoint on light 2

[thorn lark]

it does not have to be

[tall torrent]

I still think they need better cleave/dmg

[coral willow]

eh

[thorn lark]

except that slight problem that went unfixed for months

[coral willow]

they do decent damage already, if you want them to be comparable to knife i'd just give more crit chance

[thorn lark]

yeah they could be reworked

[tall torrent]

No, knife kills carapace way better than tac axe

[torn gorge]

taxe family has kind of a boring moveset tbh

[thorn lark]

they benefitted a lot from old bm, but you can still reach the bps with talents and crits

[tall torrent]

It’s stuck in this weird place where both of its competitors kill carapace really well, and then knife has mobility going for it whereas Rashad has horde clear going for it

[coral willow]

yes but knife cant spam m1

[tall torrent]

So?

[coral willow]

i still think its p unique

[faint beacon]

So uh I understand you're telling me not to run the Mk XII

[tall torrent]

Rashad can spam m1

[faint beacon]

Brunt is selling this

lmao

[coral willow]

light on a

[tall torrent]

Gl with hadron

[coral willow]

crusher?

kek

[thorn lark]

rashad is too slow without any attack speed buff

[faint beacon]

One step ahead of you man

[coral willow]

damn

that looks good

[thorn lark]

OMFG

[tall torrent]

Tac axe light spam is not very good vs crusher still

You have like

Half the dps of Rashad

[coral willow]

without crits its bad yea

[faint beacon]

I just upgrade Headtaker and leave it as is?

[coral willow]

idk i think it just needs more base critchanxe

[faint beacon]

like the hell am I supposed to do with this god tier roll

[tall torrent]

No, with crits it’s still not good enough

[tall torrent]

Carapace to tier 4, headtaker to tier 4

[coral willow]

idk then it served me well so

[thorn lark]

you could also replace flak with unyielding

[faint beacon]

Easiest shit ever lmao

[faint beacon]

[tall torrent]

Rashad kills crushers in 3 hits while breaking their overhead with the same attack

Tac axe has like 900~1200dps fluctuating depending on crit RNG

The only thing u can rly say tac axe does definitively better than Rashad is solo rager because u can stunlock & kill faster

Except Rashad still wins vs multiple ragers

[thorn lark]

tbh, if i have to deal with a crusher and i have a taxe...i would use nade and gun and finish it with melee

[tall torrent]

Just because tac axes have like no cleave

3 cleave is not enough

Rashad gets to stagger 3 dreg ragers with PA

Tac axe gets to stagger 1

[thorn lark]

well that's playing the taxe like a rashad

it has shortcomings, so you play differently

[tall torrent]

If the “play differently” is to rely on ranged weapon for killing elites groups then it’s just flat out not good enough

[thorn lark]

which bother me not because that's how i was dealing with ragers, unless i use a claw

[tall torrent]

Because both of its competitors just out dmg it and it’s not good enough as a middle ground

[azure zephyr]

Hacker shotgun is peak, probably not best on veteran all things considered but still fun.

[tall torrent]

It’s not good enough at killing carapace to be considered as a real anti-carapace weapon, and it’s not good enough at killing bruisers to be considered a true horde wipe tool

[faint beacon]

Weapon Specialist + Manstopper

its stupid on Veteran with an Infil Build

[tall torrent]

The only vet melee weapons that have worse anti-carapace are chainsword and devil’s claw

Chainsword because it’s ~900dps and locks u into chain rev
DC because it just doesn’t do good vs armor and parry vs crusher is too risky to be worth it in big hordes

[thorn lark]

yeah but you cannot have a do it all weapon

[tall torrent]

Yea but tac axe neither performs as an all rounder nor performs well enough for specialist weapon

[azure zephyr]

I wish I could get manstopper, as for weapons specialist I just prefer to mark guys for my team

[thorn lark]

taxe has an identity crisis

neither a knife or a rashad

but i like the blend of crits and mobility

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s the problem with it, it’s supposed to be a Rashad knife middle ground but it’s just not good enough to be their middle ground

[old quail]

taxe2/7 aren't bad but the fact the strikedown heavies have the same damage profile as the sweep is just sad

like fundamentally u can't have a weapon that works and leave shit like that in the game

[thorn lark]

tbh, mose of the best zealots i know use a taxe and do insane dmg with them

[azure zephyr]

Plus as vet I half a funny habit of getting stuck in with the team or just surrounded by foes so shotgun works wonders, I wish I could get myself manstopper...

[thorn lark]

because they like the speed and mobility

[old quail]

it was the obscurus problem. it wasn't a middle ground, it was an illisi with a single deimos light stab

and a worse activation

[azure zephyr]

Get to show the obnoxious amounts of ragers what I think of their sorry asses

[old quail]

it still has some pretty nasty problems but giving it a proper strikedown profile on the h1 immediately elevates it into at least not dogshit

[azure zephyr]

"Hey rager! Fuck you and your whole squad!"

[thorn lark]

wdym nasty, my experience with nu-obsucurus has been excellent

[tall torrent]

I really wish it had a proper strikedown that deals good carapace dmg so it can at least serve as a middle ground between knife/rashad

[old quail]

none of the attacks chain the way they should

it's very annoying and i won't use the weapon because i don't want to put up with it

[tall torrent]

I think tac axes’ light spam dmg vs flak & maniac is fine

[thorn lark]

you mean chaining heavies and lights?

[tall torrent]

Can be a bit higher but then it might scale too hard with crits idk

[old quail]

yeah

[thorn lark]

ah yeah so i don't use that

[old quail]

the h2 chains wrong and the h1 light followup is almost impossible to hit a head with

[thorn lark]

i spam heavies

[old quail]

the single target lightspam is ok yeah

[tall torrent]

I also think tac axes need higher cleave on PA/heavy sweep tbh

[old quail]

with a crit build you can get up to like 900 dps on carapace generally and thats its worst adm

which isnt terrible

[tall torrent]

Like, it’s really good in 1v1 rager
But it’s really not nearly as good in 1v2 rager

[old quail]

the 4 has a twofold problem

where because the strikedown heavies are just sweeps with a worse anim

the cleave lights are also just worse

which is tragic

[tall torrent]

Just make mk4’s heavy atks do turbo single target or smth

[amber cliff]

deadly accurate would be best on a bolt pistole ye?

[tall torrent]

And better cleave in general

[old quail]

the taxes should also have more interesting uses for the weapon special

[tall torrent]

I don’t understand how knife can have 6.5 cleave attacks but tac axes cannot

[tall torrent]

Would love smth like the new ogryn pickaxes

[coral willow]

well

knife is a form of a sword

[tall torrent]

Special chain into a unique single target atk

[thorn lark]

imagine if you could throw them

[coral willow]

and tacaxe is still a axe

[tall torrent]

If it’s to rely on BM for cleave it needs flat out better dmg
And in terms of light spam the dmg is fine so that prob isn’t the best way to go

[coral willow]

@tall torrent here me pistool

[old quail]

my fear is that weapons that release in a fundamentally shit state won't be nearly as fleshed out as the stuff thats released after

[coral willow]

also idk what to go for

[old quail]

cuz the community playtest is a big part of why the weapons turn out not terrible (unless ur talking about boltpistol handling lmao)

[tall torrent]

Maybe one day they’ll get the rework they need, like mk6 power sword’s glowup

They do still tweak older weapons to make them feel better, it’ll just take time

I like most of the older weapon tweaks they did

[thorn lark]

speaking of stuff released recently....not really in a finished state

[tall torrent]

Well yea day 1 of SoMG optimization was something

[coral willow]

@tall torrent is this one better btw

[tall torrent]

I think ur 375 one is better

Tbh

[coral willow]

giving up getting better ones

wanna get slaughterer 4 headtaker 4

but its hard af

[thorn lark]

and crusher

and claw

[tall torrent]

Yea

Crusher glowup is huge

[thorn lark]

crab had influence apparently

[tall torrent]

Went from worst zealot melee to top 3 imo

They nerfed single target atk speed on it this patch

But it’s still pretty good

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1257449197787938927/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.01_-_17.33.08.12.mp4?ex=66847253&is=668320d3&hm=67d622a9085e6f26ae2ec9840dba9c8c4f1109d1dd7f9e39f42ececf23607804&

[thorn lark]

used correclty it was fine as a cc tool

we did og hisg runs with a crusher and kant zealot

very very nice

[tall torrent]

I haven’t checked the power maul rework

Mainly cuz the new pickaxes are just more interesting to me

[thorn lark]

i use surgical + da / run and gun / puncture

[thorn lark]

hmm i don't feel that much safe with a rashad as well in that scenario, especially against dregs

[tall torrent]

it's still a lot better than tac axe

[amber cliff]

Push attack crusher is all i know

damn dude you are really good at tacking on more than one guy at once

[pseudo spade]

does onslaught apply on range attacks? vid lasgun?

[amber cliff]

i can normally only managed 2

whats the maximmum amount of guys you can take

[thorn lark]

antax pa better tho

[tall torrent]

I was trying to learn fighting them without nade/VoC/gun and not taking hits

[thorn lark]

with a claw i think my max is 5 ragers in the psyk

[amber cliff]

oh

you guys meant in a FIGHT??

[thorn lark]

yeah

that was og ragers

not nu nu ragers

[tall torrent]

yea ik, but the issue is more that tac axe doesn't get to hit more than 1 rager at a time

[thorn lark]

especially on a weapon where your most useful combo is PA + H1

[sinful swallow]

Depends on how much space

[thorn lark]

yeah, in a mixed horde it's not really the same

[amber cliff]

when they really get a hold on you and keep you in place it can be a struggle

[sinful swallow]

I had 13 spawn in the hallway before the elevator to the final event in metal fab

[tall torrent]

gg bricked

save for crafting update

[sinful swallow]

You should always make sure you have room to evade

[coral willow]

extracting thrust brb

jk imma keep

[sinful swallow]

Someone once described it as think of the enemies as an amoeba, don't let it swallow you

[junior needle]

Yes, any repeated attack

[sinful swallow]

Perfect strike isn't the same as brutal right

[junior needle]

Very different

[sinful swallow]

Way worse right

[junior needle]

Perfect is a lot more cleave

but doesn't let you bypass target cap on damage

And also doesn't give you multi first target damage

[uncut pebble]

What would be like... the best lasgun for counter shooting?

[rigid pilot]

Will they ever fix this or it's intended

[junior needle]

Presuambly intended

It's meant to be more like sunder

[rigid pilot]

Any iLas is great

[uncut pebble]

I'm using the mk12 but I feel like I don't shoot fast enough to counter giant groups of shooters, but I also feel like if I switch out to a different model then I'm not going to be hitting the bps I need for gunner 1shots.

[junior needle]

Ilas, recons, hb2, laspees, all work fine

[rigid pilot]

Do you have ghost blessing

[junior needle]

1a is better for that

[rigid pilot]

Ghost blessing let's you stand and shoot

[junior needle]

And everything basically

Also yes

Ghost is strongly recommended

[uncut pebble]

I mean, I don't really need the ghost blessing considering I'm using this for a marksman's focus build.

[rigid pilot]

Just stare down 3 reapers

[uncut pebble]

Exhilarating takedown + that one keystone feature just lets me eat ranged damage for breakfast.

[rigid pilot]

If you're using a MF build you don't need many damage blessings

[junior needle]

Ghost is really good for deadshot/dnd

Insane value

[uncut pebble]

And currently with my mk12 I can 3tap reapers with exe stance.

[amber cliff]

ur insane freak

[rigid pilot]

I thought ghost didn't proc DnD?

[junior needle]

it does

[uncut pebble]

Dnd?

[junior needle]

you're thinking of reciprocity

[rigid pilot]

Was it the other thing 🤔

Ah yea

[uncut pebble]

What is "dnd"?

[rigid pilot]

Duck and dive

[uncut pebble]

Oh that.

[rigid pilot]

Unlimited stamina

[uncut pebble]

Ghost counts for the stamina restore?

That's wild.

[sinful swallow]

Yeah

Counts as dodging gunfire

[uncut pebble]

Well then...

[last parcel]

dickin nurgle down

[rigid pilot]

Oh yea striped down also does count for DnD I should have known

[junior needle]

reciprocity has a different activation mechanic and is pretty scuffed

[rigid pilot]

Dinner and Dragons

[gilded wraith]

Recip is pure melee?

[rigid pilot]

I think it works for ranged too but

Weirdly

[uncut pebble]

Well, now then... What to trade out on my lasgun?

I have headhunter and deadly accurate.

Oh well nevermind I can only trade out headhunter.

[junior needle]

DA seems to be the preferred to trade

[uncut pebble]

I already did my 2nd mod on perks...

Cringe!

[junior needle]

It works weirdly for ranged but it's much more unreliable and basically only works on regular shooters

[uncut pebble]

Well at least I'll be having an extra 25% crit rate so maybe deadly accurate won't be so terrible.

[topaz lance]

Ghost counts for duck and dive? Makes me want to look at the laspistols again.

[junior needle]

yep

[uncut pebble]

Does the crit chance buff from deadshot still apply if I'm out of stamina?

[last parcel]

no

[crude fiber]

whats the play for bolt pistol? I know its not very good right now but i still want to mess around with it

[topaz lance]

Broke: Point Blank to Puncture, play it like a bad shotgun with VoC
Woke: Deadly Accurate and play it with Exe Stance, Deadshot and WS

[coral willow]

bespoke: run bolter you idiot

[crude fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

guess its a good thing i rolled 2 of them

[coral willow]

jokes aside idk if DA actually gives something

[uncut pebble]

I bought all the enforcer outfits.

[crude fiber]

probably more of a meme but none of the other blessings really seem to stand out so ill roll with it

[uncut pebble]

60 bucks down the drain...

[last parcel]

i think it's just for ogryn/monstrosity/mutant (lol)

[uncut pebble]

I can't pass up the fit to be a shock trooper with a mace and a bolt pistol.

[coral willow]

i use bolter cause it surgical 2 seconds

kek

if i wanna surgical a pistol theres a thing called a revolver

[crude fiber]

revolver is just better bolt pistol right now sure... but funny bolt pistol

[coral willow]

bolt pistol does different stuff

too bad the puncture was nerfed to not work with the bolt explosions

@tall torrent so how good is this

[crude fiber]

this doesn't seem so bad...at least not in the psykanium

[topaz lance]

based

The handling is kind of the worst thing about the bolt pistol at the moment honestly

damage wise it performs well enough. Except against infested enemies, I don't know what they were thinking there

[unique orchid]

infested enemies are resistant to conventional weaponry while lasers and flame do more damage

something something nurgle rot

[topaz lance]

I get the lore reason, but balance-wise it's dumb

[unique orchid]

eh, ive made my peace with it

only thing it really matters against is the dog which feels too durable against bistol bolts, but otherwise feels fine

[uncut pebble]

I just realized I pass the reaper 1shot bp with my helbore on the marksmans focus build I've been using.

If I use exe stance, that is.

[unique orchid]

very cool

[somber axle]

I think Fatshark is trying to tell me damage is a dump stat

[faint beacon]

Me thinks as well

[elder fiber]

Gotta get that t1 opportunist for the stamp collection

[plain escarp]

should I rip out the deatsplittter? Sire melk dilemma

[elder fiber]

Sure why not, you can always get more melkbux

[forest scaffold]

yeah that's uh

what milkman is for. Buying up tier 4 blessings. It's exceedingly rare to find a good overall buy on milk

[coral willow]

sour milk

[frank ether]

the play is to equip boltgun for me

[bitter turtle]

rager 1 tap

reasonable dps vs crusher

that's about it tbh

at least in terms of things you cannot get without DA

[last parcel]

doesn't bistol already onetap ragers on crit headshot with maniac

[bitter turtle]

i dont think so

but

too lazy to go check

[cold adder]

bolt pistol on zealot absolutely chews anything up if i can shoot it, chargers dead in 2 shots, elites a dead in a single shot maybe 2. Armored fucks might take half the clip to a full one. but damn the bolt pistol is crazy dps

[tall torrent]

enforcer is not shock trooper tho

[uncut pebble]

No... but the armor looks shock trooper-y.

Remove yourself from the mindset of warhammer for a second and look at it.

Full plate armor with a rebreather.

[tall torrent]

reminds me of the lego cyborg toys

[uncut pebble]

That just screams "drop me into the thick of it, boss."

[tall torrent]

but like

the kasrkin set that came before it

that one is the actual shock troop

[uncut pebble]

I also like the way it changes your voice.

It just feels right.

I'll either be rocking a shock maul and bolt pistol or power sword and laspistol on it.

[coral willow]

recommendation

would be nice

[frank basin]

Stripped down > Death spitter
Crits chances/pox&groaner > flak.

Or speedloader > death spitter

[wicked epoch]

Hey guys, is the level 14 bolter any good?

Just got the game and got to level 11 for my first few hours, wondering is all

[austere mica]

Bolter is ok but requires some attention to make work

If you’re just leveling stick with whatever has decent stats in the armory

Worry about real gear at level 30

[topaz lance]

Boltor is a good DMR, a bad mag dump weapon.

[idle pecan]

what perks should i pick

[topaz lance]

I'd also take handling and personal preferrences into account. If you like how the Bolter feels, feel free to use it.

[last parcel]

flak/maniac

[topaz lance]

Flak, Maniac

[idle pecan]

what is a good talent tree list for the ciag

[last parcel]

it doesn't really matter

[idle pecan]

is the gun just that good

[topaz lance]

yes

[last parcel]

it's good and it's versatile

really i'd just say anything but weapon specialist, not because it's bad there but because you're not really taking advantage of the keystone

[topaz lance]

Markmans Focus is fun with it as it builds stacks fast

[last parcel]

yeah, and it actually has good finesse unlike the recons

[topaz lance]

Oh and if you wanna melt Crushers you should take a look at Onslaught

expensive to get there but brrrrrrrrt

[idle pecan]

would this be a good built

does critting even matter

if not then ill just ignore all crit perks

[muted knot]

Grab the next node in the left tree

The extra ammo one

[soft island]

Criting is good, this build is... mmmmmm not what I would take, at least.

[idle pecan]

just an idea, open to suggestions

threw it together in like 30 seconds

[wicked epoch]

Are the lucius lasguns any good?

[soft island]

I mean some choices are good like VoC (of course)

[muted knot]

I would probably Go down left Side to get marksman Focus and ditch anything after Iron will in middle tree

[wicked epoch]

And whats a good way to grind so i can get some actually nice cosmetics

[soft island]

The question is what are you trying to accomplish with the build?

[muted knot]

I Love them but they arent the super Meta Pick,

[muted knot]

Just Play whatever difficulty you can handle through the quickplay Match Finder

[last parcel]

i'd make something more like this
reciprocity is iffy when dodging ranged attacks
spending 4 poitns for onslaught means kraks are just for bulwarks/bosses and you can already deal with that with frags/voc

focus target is good for deadshot

[wicked epoch]

Gotcha, many thanks

[last parcel]

feel free to swap the starter subtree to the middle if you want more toughness and the +1 stamina node

[austere mica]

Longshot isn’t great for iag’s because they are shit at ranged

Middle is also a ton of survivability

[soft island]

kraks also work on crushers and maulers, and while they take a long time to arm they're pretty handy if you can aim them at the back of a pack or hit the front and then stall/stun it

[muted knot]

Play until you are Level 30 then Upgrade weapons that you Like and have a Higher Base modifier than 350

At this Point your gonna have a bunch of the good Standard cosmetics and youll slowly Go through the penance Unlocks

[last parcel]

you can stall them with a frag too. they spent 4 points on onslaught for the ability to shoot crushers so i'm assuming that's the plan

[idle pecan]

ima be honest, someone just said onslaught is good dps so i took it

[last parcel]

onslaught is pretty much just so you can shoot crushers and headshot maulers. it doesn't change much besides that for ciag

[soft island]

Hm, well, it looks like you're trying to go for a ranged-focused build. Is that your intention, or do you want to do a little melee?

[idle pecan]

i use my melee almost exclusively for emergencies

i use power sword

very good with no talent investment imo

altho im not the most well versed in perks

[muted knot]

Thats always a great choice

[soft island]

Power sword I find to be meh without power cycler but it does still work

[idle pecan]

B)

[muted knot]

Oh yeah that will do lol

[idle pecan]

its so good

[soft island]

Those are some good blessings

but oof that cleave targets stat

[idle pecan]

cleave doesnt matter

power up gives unlimited cleave

[muted knot]

In all honestly i would Look into getting that Power cycler 4 for the collection once you find Another good psword

[idle pecan]

yeah

[soft island]

Doesn't mean I can't be sad about it

[idle pecan]

i havent been trying to min-max my melee lately

[muted knot]

Finesse would be nice at 80

[idle pecan]

i just pulled it awhile ago

and was like

damn this is better than the one i have now

[muted knot]

But thats a amzing psword allready

[idle pecan]

ty

[muted knot]

Man getting PC4 is so lucky

[soft island]

If you ever want to go melee vet, you do have a wep

[muted knot]

Im playing since Launch and havent gotten one ._

[soft island]

It's okay, I don't have one either

[idle pecan]

for curios i was thinking
2 HP 1 stam

ability cooldown
gunner resist
Stamina regen

opinions?

[muted knot]

You dont really need stam If you dont Run deadshot

[soft island]

Toughness > HP imo

[vivid cedar]

is this a good shotgun setup?

[last parcel]

you can skip ability cooldown but otherwise that's good

[idle pecan]

i like ability cooldown

[last parcel]

two hp curios puts you over 200 hp so you can get burstered twice without instantly dying

[idle pecan]

i love spamming the everliving fuck out of VOC

[muted knot]

Thats how you should be doing IT lol

[last parcel]

that's what tactical awareness is for

[soft island]

Yeah, you kill specials to refresh cooldown, not waste trinket secondary stats

[muted knot]

The +2 stamina is Kind of useless sadly but that should be a workable Shotgun

[austere mica]

It finds use with Deadshot

[vivid cedar]

man stopper i heard is good but is kinda an experiment. if its a no go ill swap it for reload speed.

[austere mica]

Also it makes it so you might have more stamina when reviving since it uses the weapon with the most stamina to block while you pick someone up

[muted knot]

Neat didnt know that

[muted knot]

Yes but deadshot in a Shotgun ? Never Ran it but seems kinda mediocre

[austere mica]

Works for Manstopper builds, my lawb clear build uses it to hit 100% crit chance

And shotguns barely use stamina to proc it because you fire so slowly

[last parcel]

deadshot scattershot on doublebarrel gives near 100% crit, which isn't really that good but can be funny

[austere mica]

Manstopper procing nearly every shot

[muted knot]

Thats Sounds stupid

[austere mica]

Just grab reciprocity

[muted knot]

Gotta try one

[austere mica]

Then you have 100%

[muted knot]

Does the new Shotgun use the Same Blessings as the old ones ?

[austere mica]

I’d send my build if I wasn’t sitting in bed right now

[last parcel]

if you want stupid boy have i got a build for you

[last parcel]

there's some overlap but you're starting from scratch

[austere mica]

I’d recommend using Weapon Specialist instead of marksman’s focus for double barrel because 2 mag size

Which means you drop scattershot

[soft island]

[austere mica]

Yeah that’s stupid

[soft island]

Anyway, this is my mixed build... iirc

I think it's pretty normal but would like a sanity check

[austere mica]

I’d skip the brittleness node near the bottom of right side for the traversal node

Pretty sure it’s toughness

[last parcel]

well what's it for

[last parcel]

yes it's toughness

[topaz lance]

Ok, I've been running something similar to this with the double barrel but I have to ask why the smoke nades?

[soft island]

Hitting things and shooting things, but not with weapon specialist because I dislike it

[austere mica]

Also take the leftmost tag modifier instead of the middle one

Unless you need it for a goofy breakpoint

[last parcel]

i should've clarified which weapons

[soft island]

stacking it on a boss feels good with all them kraks

[last parcel]

even then waiting for 8 tags instead of using the rapid refresh feature is questionable

[austere mica]

Yeah

That node is just for boss damage basically

[last parcel]

to get shot less and it saves points

[wicked epoch]

Hehe i may have kinda upgraded some weapons i liked already

I got one of the kantrael lasguns upgraded to the purple one

[austere mica]

Save your materials

[wicked epoch]

Good damage per shot and its slow

but its fun

then the lower level chainsword too

[soft island]

I normally swap weapons, but when I'm running aurics it's the plasma and a power sword.

[wicked epoch]

also got that axe and upgraded it but i dont use it since the swords cooler

lesson learned bu the looks of it

[hollow turtle]

I feel like hopping in and playing some Helbore sniper.

[austere mica]

Very eepy build

[wicked epoch]

Whats the difference with auric and the standard?

Is there like a story difference

Or is it just harder

[austere mica]

Not really

[hollow turtle]

No story different, just a higher challenge, higher reward.

[last parcel]

auric always has modifiers and slightly harsher director

[wicked epoch]

aw i thought it would have some lore implications

Watched that one dystopianchimp video

[austere mica]

They just force hi intensity modifier and something else

[wicked epoch]

i had a mutant charge at me and i didnt shoot him because i thought he was an allied ogryn

I said in chat “didnt shoot the mutie because i thought he was our ogryn buddy here, my bad”

[soft island]

what is eepy

[wicked epoch]

no one laughed

[last parcel]

rending strikes doesn't do much for both of those. You'll want spend more points on the left to grab superiority complex to hit oneshot breakpoints for plasma

[wicked epoch]

Sleepy

[austere mica]

Very sleepy

[wicked epoch]

just minus sl

because your so eepy you cant say sleepy

[soft island]

I am nothing if not sleepy

[wicked epoch]

which server has the most LARPers on it lmao

asian servers are cool and all but no ones screaming for the emperor

[austere mica]

Yeah but the build definitely puts me to sleep

[wicked epoch]

the characters yeah but no ones screaming in voice chat

[austere mica]

I own a near perfect plasma and power sword set but never use them

[last parcel]

idk about in game but there's a different discord for that since they kept spamming general chat

[wicked epoch]

it reduces the diameter of the smile on my face

[wicked epoch]

I gotta find that

[soft island]

Look at this guy, graced with the RNG gods

[wicked epoch]

i need to find people to match ny freak

[last parcel]

ah

a toe sucker

[wicked epoch]

that sounds wrong

[soft island]

Neither my psword or plasma are very... good, shall we say?

[austere mica]

I am obscenely fucking lucky for Darktide

It’s unreal

[wicked epoch]

nO yOu miSuNdeRStaNd!!

[soft island]

I literally finally got power cycler 3 like.... a week ago?

[wicked epoch]

but the psyker lady in the psykhanium can get it

[austere mica]

My first bolt pistol

[wicked epoch]

I wonder if the pistols are any good

[austere mica]

Which I got with about 38k dockets of rolling

[wicked epoch]

gave me a stub pistol and revolver

[austere mica]

(Basically nothing)

[austere mica]

Yes

All of them

[soft island]

A curse upon thee

[austere mica]

Very good

Revolver is broken as all hell, laspistol is a great generalist, bolt pistol is very chunky and similar to revolver

[wicked epoch]

Idk theres somethint about me that wants to overcompensate so i dont use pistols

[soft island]

but Vet melee feels... not good to me without trench fighter

[wicked epoch]

am i an idiot for having my talent tree be balanced

and go into melee any chance i can

probably

but hey i havent died much

[austere mica]

Melee is the preferred mode of clear

[soft island]

Melee vet is great

[wicked epoch]

only about uhh 5 times max in my 5 hours

[austere mica]

You want to stab things more often than not

[last parcel]

well that's fine if you're fine with taking two shots to kill dreg gunners

[wicked epoch]

so would a bolter and chainsword build be on the books?

[austere mica]

Guns are for priority targets and stuff you can’t fight safely

[soft island]

plasma has the ammo for it, lmao

[wicked epoch]

i’d make a kasrkin build if i knew which one was the hellgun

[austere mica]

There is no hellgun here

Plasma though

[wicked epoch]

oh no i never liked plasma

I only like painting it because haha OSL

playing it in any game tho?

Nope not my cuppa tea i tell ya

[austere mica]

Plasma is one of the best ranged weapons across all classes

Also very sleepy

[wicked epoch]

Deathwing, space marine, literally anygame

[austere mica]

In Darktide it’s a hitscan deathray

[soft island]

Is there anything actually better?

[wicked epoch]

i find the weapons with big AOE and stuff to be boring

[austere mica]

It’s only aoe is target pen

[wicked epoch]

Oh ic

i dunno i just dont like plasma

[austere mica]

Yeah

[wicked epoch]

i think the next class i might try would be zealot

[austere mica]

It’s a bit of a bitch to roll except for its blessings

[wicked epoch]

because i have an affinity for swords that go vrrrr

or maybe an ogryn so i can get a bigass gun

[idle pecan]

plasma is lowkey my favorite weapon, been using it on vet since i started playing

decided to try to expand to other vet guns since i dont really enjoy other classes

[austere mica]

I also rolled a plasma first but like

Other guns are more fun

[soft island]

If you want to be an attack dog, I recommend Zealot. If you want to smash things with fists or bullets until they are paste, I recommend Ogryn.

[wicked epoch]

how do you lads roll stuff like that

[austere mica]

Plasma is a point and click adventure

[wicked epoch]

this sounds fun

[austere mica]

Gambling

Lots of it

[wicked epoch]

go to vegas

you’d win something

and please do gimme a cut

[austere mica]

Also knowing when to fold on a single lame perk

[wicked epoch]

With your luck you might get kicked out of the tops

or the lucky 38

wait nope the lucky 38 cant be gambled in

[pseudo spade]

Hello guys , i have a question. Does onslaught skill work with ranged weapons?

[last parcel]

yes that's its purpose

[pseudo spade]

if i use rapid fire lasgun do i get brittlenmess?

[somber axle]

Yes

It works very well with the Recon Mk VId

2.5% per stack, stacking 16 times

40% brittleness on target at max stacks

[pseudo spade]

yup testing on same , thanks

[somber axle]

and the rate of fire of the Recon Mk VId lets it stack it fast enough to get use out of it

[last parcel]

ok now go kill

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VIIa doesn't have a fire rate fast enough to get much value out of Onslaught though

With Onslaught and Rending Strikes you can comfortably melt Crusher faces off

It also helps vs Flak but tbh you're probably already running +25% flak as a weapon perk anyway so it's not that big of a difference

[faint beacon]

@somber axle Apparently I had a 13g with those supposed blessings on it already

sadly it wouldn't work

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-walter-white-breaking-bad-falling-gif-25642150

[faint beacon]

the H3 resets it into Lights

[somber axle]

Ah ok

Well that answers that

[faint beacon]

and it has like a noticeable delay

so no

do not bother

[somber axle]

Savage Sweep isn't proccing off of the H3 on the XIIIg?

[faint beacon]

Fuck no

there's like a solid

[somber axle]

unfortunate

[faint beacon]

1 second+ delay before it even starts up again off that heavy

[somber axle]

I thought the change to let H3 loop into L3 might change it to let it use Savage Sweep

Wrath is still the better blessing on the XIIIg then

plus you still have to build into H3 before you can begin the loop

just much easier to go all in on spamming lights with Wrath

even if it did work

[faint beacon]

Nvm

found out how you can loop Heavy + lights but I feel like its...

not rewarding as much?

you have to push attack

then do Heavy + light

repeat

[shadow aurora]

HOLY SHIT

shock maul 3 is addictive

[faint beacon]

Yeah im managing to get it to proc off that

[shadow aurora]

There was not a single miss this update

[somber axle]

Ooo

[shadow aurora]

What blessings are good on it?

[somber axle]

That could make it a possible option as a XIIIg blessing then

[last parcel]

high voltage, skullcrusher seems popular

[somber axle]

Skullcrusher + High Voltage or Lightning Reflexes

[shadow aurora]

Ok, thank you clowns :o)

[last parcel]

that's a really big chin

[faint beacon]

Imo

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/icoNqii13LSteJzhY/d1337cL5Kafj?invite=cr-MSxVT3osMTA3NDAxNTczLA

I might stick to just Wrath cause I kinda just want an M1 spam melee atm lmao

[shadow aurora]

Its supposed to be a nose >:o(

[faint beacon]

but this does work

[somber axle]

M1 spam is very fun and addictive with Trench Fighter Drill and Weapon Specialist

[idle pecan]

CIAGv so strong im actually accidentally overshooting

they die so fucking fast

like huh?????

[last parcel]

yeah

behold

the power

[pseudo spade]

what is ranged finesse power?

[idle pecan]

only issue is the slight amount of recoil, but that is managable for the sheer power

[shadow aurora]

Weakspot damage on ranged weapons

[pseudo spade]

cool ty

[odd sparrow]

Weakspot and crit dmg 🤓

[idle pecan]

ol reliable

thermal res is low so i dont get that extra shot, and no flak

but overall, goated.

[austere mica]

I’d drop blaze away

It has very few use cases and I feel it’s more useful to grab something like gloryhunter to keep sustain against gunner mobs

Blaze away doesn’t even get use on bosses

[idle pecan]

oh really?

i didnt even know

[austere mica]

Mostly because it only gets use for the initial burst when it shows up and then you are firing then cooling immediately

[quick zinc]

Isnt it just better to not charge and double shot normally?

[austere mica]

Yeah charging is lame

Very sad

[quick zinc]

Hmmm

[austere mica]

2.6x damage but 3 times ammo

[quick zinc]

It is sad

[idle pecan]

is there any way to reduce the muzzle flash of autoguns

shit is litterally a flashbang

[austere mica]

No idea other than mods

[last parcel]

wear sunglasses

[austere mica]

Welding helmet/googles too

Grab the hat of a mauler

I can type

I should sleep

[last parcel]

you can type very well

[austere mica]

Holy shit I can tell it’s nearly 3 am right now

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-pillow-goodbye-goodnight-gif-5204794

[rigid pilot]

Is there mods that remove muzzle flash or smoke?

[austere mica]

Great question

[rigid pilot]

I tried but can't really find any

[shadow aurora]

Get in the corner NERD

(Ignore the fact we all blatantly stumbled past the daemon host)

[last parcel]

you are just shoving that shockmaul up there

😳

[shadow aurora]

Yes

freakytide

[idle pecan]

sounding rod shockmaul

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sounding-gif-24179006

[idle pecan]

even just thinking of a sounding rod makes me simeltaneously cringe and vomit

[rigid pilot]

Wait

Shock is top dps vs bosses?

[zinc hare]

shock maul is absurd in general

[stoic mantle]

Thanks hadron, I fucking hate it

[pseudo fiber]

Well at least we have the crafting rework

[stoic mantle]

Yeah, but this is on my psyker, I just figured yall would understand the pain better than those psyker mains

and i need it now so i can finish these penances

[quick burrow]

want me to link you my colum mk 5 ?

it might help

[stoic mantle]

eh

[last parcel]

it’s a ciag with a great base. just slap on dumdum and flak and you’ll be fine