veteran-class

[faint beacon]

Mancleaver

[gilded rock]

Full bore doesn't apply to the shot that procs it though, right?

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is still king for Crusher killing because of how fast it can stack Onslaught but if you can make use of Marksman's Focus 10 stack 10% rending with Rending Strikes it can still punch a hole through Crushers fine too

[faint beacon]

Never forget that either

MC is beyond stupid on DB

[civic knot]

no, but kill 1 enemy and then its rdy

couple that with both barrels

and its pretty good, i bet

[azure zephyr]

There something I'm missing with the bolt pistol? or is it just kinda mid?

[gilded rock]

It gives easier access to one shots that can already happen, I find

[winter grove]

Can go infested to completely destroy hordes

[gilded rock]

Idk if it does actually give entirely new BPs though

[faint beacon]

It’s alright, I wouldn’t say mid cause it’s above average

[idle pecan]

what is arguably the most versatille vet weapon right now

[gilded rock]

Range or melee?

[idle pecan]

ranged sorry

[gilded rock]

For melee I argue that chord

[civic knot]

Its not the greatest due to its small mag capacity. Altho, u can oneshot gunners with a crit bodyshot with 25% flak

[gilded rock]

Ohh

[faint beacon]

It’s very build dependent and if you’re used to using like Zarona that’s another reason

[winter grove]

Probably CIAG

[somber axle]

There are two builds for it right now I think. A meme build with Puncture to use the bleed for covering the gap to breakpoints, and a Surgical/Deadly Accurate build that is heavily reliant on hitting consistent headshots. I like Surgical/Deadly Accurate with a Marksman's Focus keystone set up because with Exe Stance I can hit 1 shot 1 kill on Crusher heads with a crit

[gilded rock]

Recon 7a very versatile too

[somber axle]

You can use it with Focus Target too

[azure zephyr]

The frag effect for it is really shit I'd say for how much I had it hyped up by others.

[civic knot]

thing is, it doesnt have the one thing that makes zarona incredible: infinite cleave

[gilded rock]

Kills everything but crushers and monstros decently

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Redirect Fire can help it reach important breakpoints consistently

[faint beacon]

That’s why it needs to be nerfed lmao

[idle pecan]

is good?

[civic knot]

i think it does well against monstros with puncture 4

easy bleed stacks

[civic knot]

yup. lower cleave and its in a healthy state

[faint beacon]

Stopping power could be better but it’s a Columnus

[azure zephyr]

I'll give it a go in a mission to see if it changes my mind, but currently I might stick to my beloved lucius

[faint beacon]

So it’s good

[civic knot]

stopping power is the most important stat

[faint beacon]

That’s better imo

[idle pecan]

should i use the second one or keep rolling for a better one

[civic knot]

stability is duuuumped tho

kinda important, or whadya think?

[faint beacon]

Dead serious

[somber axle]

Stability is a dump stat

[last parcel]

just control it

[faint beacon]

On Columnus

Stab is a dump

So don’t even worry about it

[civic knot]

great then invest

[idle pecan]

i think i just got boned

[faint beacon]

On others it might be considered needed to b higher but it’s the Columnus is THE spray and pray

[somber axle]

Dum Dum is what you want

[last parcel]

native dumdum

you're fine

[faint beacon]

Good start

[idle pecan]

ah ok

[faint beacon]

And native Unarmored

[somber axle]

if you get Fire Frenzy, Deathspitter or Stripped Down it's still good to go

[faint beacon]

Even though could be flak or maniac

[faint beacon]

Still

Unarmored

[somber axle]

Yeah that will be fine

You can change to Flak and Maniac if you want

[last parcel]

now you got the opposite of boned

[faint beacon]

Disgusting Columnus

[idle pecan]

very good?

[faint beacon]

Literally destroy everything that remotely comes near you

Disgusting as in that thing is strong

Very strong

Change your perks to Flak and Maniac

Blessings are good

Hadron has actually blessed you today

[somber axle]

Yeah that is a very very good CIAG

You'll shred through things pretty good with it

[azure zephyr]

what are good perks for bolt pistol anyways?

I'm gonna give it a try

[quiet token]

I can't do vantage point 3, i've done all types of mission multiple times and it doesn't give it to me

[plush hound]

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[faint beacon]

Spicy take

VOC with revive ehhhh I can see why but I feel like that’s even a stretch

[limpid ore]

the immortality button is useless

[slow spade]

must be a no-hit player

[civic knot]

this

[azure zephyr]

How do I put that guy's take in the nicest way possible...?

[lunar sedge]

God dammit, auric melee storm is the real shit

[slow spade]

only time when VoC is arguably bad is if everyone is doing some weird no-hit run UwU

[coral imp]

Saved alot of runs with it. It's pretty good when you play with randoms that might not know what they're doing.

[plush hound]

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[lunar sedge]

VoC is broken good, I saw players deliberately taking revive upgrade so VoC isn't so OP

[slow spade]

VoC is only op if you take the Duty upgrade

if you really want to make it not op, don't take left upgrade ;)

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

^

[coral imp]

Duty and Honour is where it's at.

[slow spade]

there's no reason to ever take the revive upgrade

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

unles you like hurting yourself I guess

[plush hound]

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[lunar sedge]

Does even anyone here said the revive is good?

[slow spade]

people have said Recon is good

I wouldn't doubt it

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

^ always remember there's always a worse opinion

[plush hound]

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[lunar sedge]

Guys try to play with Mk2 recon. For some reason for me it feels now the best out of recons

[tall torrent]

It’s not

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

revive shout is just patting yourself on the back when you "save" everyone instead of just preventing it from happening in the first place

[daring rampart]

lads how important is cleave targets on mk3 power sword

[slow spade]

I swear if you don't have Headhunter on your recon

[slow spade]

its still one of the highest cleave melee weapons in the game

it's not good to have low but its not a deal breaker

[daring rampart]

got a roll with high dmg cleave dmg and finese but dumped on cleave targets

wondering what to do w it

[lunar sedge]

Eh, I don't trust infernus - too niche imo. And Onslaught is too much investment for a weapons that doesn't really need to attack heavy armored targets

[opal coral]

Today I learnt that my entire sharpshooter build has one flaw
Which is a wrong translation

[slow spade]

Onslaught is a trap for recon

[idle pecan]

infernus is super fun if you get a good one

[slow spade]

Infernus is a meme

but usable at least

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

called it

I swear

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

People will pack Infernus then no crit buffs

[last parcel]

ok psyker

[terse idol]

Big brain

Yeah

[slow spade]

and it triggers me so hard

[terse idol]

I mean, the people could have not went down if you just spammed VOC

Maybe if revive shout also gave the person like 5s invuln

It would have been worth it

[plush hound]

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[lunar sedge]

I think even mentioning revive upgrade was a mistake

[terse idol]

Instead tooooo many times someone will shout at someone who's in fire and kill them instantly

[slow spade]

a stat buff or something would be nice too

[marble mantle]

Omg I actually did on overwatch without infiltrate

[slow spade]

burn has low dps so you want a lot of stacks its not like bleed where the base damage is 170

[terse idol]

Damage reduction for like 80%, maybe damage/reload buff who knookws

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

which is people not packing Headhunter on Infernus Recons is just getting Infernus for "visual effect"

[marble mantle]

Also completed untouchable

[tall torrent]

Infernus + dum dum goes hard on psyker

[slow spade]

I can't remember if it still reduces the stagger radius

[faint beacon]

I’m literally viewing it as a “you will learn to not be carried by golden toughness, you will suffer with me”

[tall torrent]

Still does

[slow spade]

yeah but they have Disrupt + Gaze and crit aura

so they can justify it at least

[faint beacon]

No but seriously revive node needs something else going for it

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

pain

[plush hound]

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[tall torrent]

I think scrap the revive node and make it give u & teammates extra crit chance for a while

[slow spade]

Infernus fire looks cool at least

[tall torrent]

[slow spade]

but its like 40? damage in practice

[lunar sedge]

Hm, actually might consider putting recon on my gunsker

[winter grove]

At least Mk7a is bad with infernus to HH and DumDum is better

[tall torrent]

No, got buffed

[faint beacon]

From what I recall

[plush hound]

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[slow spade]

oh right more stacks but less max stacks

[faint beacon]

Psyker and Veteran really only benefit from the recon buffs

[slow spade]

I forgot that

[tall torrent]

Not true

[slow spade]

Zealot with Recon when?

[faint beacon]

Never

[tall torrent]

Infernus got merged between Lasgun patterns, it now does:

3~4 burn stacks per crit, max 9~12 stacks

[slow spade]

oh lol

[tall torrent]

On recon with Infernus IV, one single crit string applies 2x4 = 8 burn stacks

[slow spade]

damn that sucks

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s not the whole story

What actually happened is they made all Lasguns have the same effect from Infernus

[slow spade]

that's a weird way of doing it

[tall torrent]

This stacks to 12 very fast because u just need 3 crit hits (1 string + 1 crit hit)

[marble mantle]

How did y’all do make every shot count? Like what weapon

[tall torrent]

Revolver/shotgun/plasma

New shotgun is not bad for this

[wary galleon]

why the kark she naked?

[slow spade]

plasma is my go-to

[marble mantle]

I’m def just looking for the low at ammo count one

[slow spade]

easy to lose all your ammo and still effective

[marble mantle]

Alright bet thanks all

[slow spade]

why aren't you?

[slow spade]

Thanks for explaining c:

[lunar sedge]

Take any weapon with lowest ammo count and lowest ammo roll, while also being able to easly hit things. Plasma and shotguns fit that role

[slow spade]

to be frank, I'm not sure why they did that but at least it makes it easy to compare Infernus value

[winter grove]

Clearly she doesn't need armor or clothes to beat heretics to death

[lunar sedge]

And there is a mod that can show your accuracy. And don't forget to take off survivalist

[wary galleon]

she was naked whole match too.
saved the whole team like 3 times xd

fucking maniac she was

[torn gorge]

[slow spade]

the weirder the fit, the better the player

I miss naked chars :c

[marble mantle]

X bawks but yeah no surv

[tall torrent]

Just a sister repentia

[vast edge]

Revolver and firing into trash hordes.

[coral imp]

Plasma worked well for me.

[slow spade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93v9i7qC0o

[serene bough]

i wonder what the point of this was

who cares about infernus

[slow spade]

I guess it was to standardize Infernus damage?

only thing I could think of

[wary galleon]

which clothing is that? xd

[slow spade]

old bug (fixed) where one of the zealot cloths made you naked

[wary galleon]

hmm only zealot? :(

[slow spade]

it apparently could affect other classes

never learned much about it and its been months since it was fixed

no clue how some players got it still

[serene bough]

they havent changed their outfit since it happened

so the bug still applies

[slow spade]

nice lol

[winter grove]

Why can we do these zany and wacky tatoos on our characters body only to not see them ever again

[coral imp]

How do you guys get your builds? You just try yourself or is there like a website?

[tall torrent]

What kind of builds do u want

[snow pendant]

So this happened to me just now i have field improvisation as a vet that means ammo crates can restore grenades , so what happened was at the last phase of the map a ogryn tossing his big nade then resupply from the crate rinse and repeat until all the crate use is up leaving me and another vet and bingo ammo i only have like 12 shots left in my revolver

basically i am punished for picking a skill in my build that could improve resources for the team by having a troll waste it and i can do nothing to stop it , this is my fault ?

[terse idol]

No

I mean it's just troll teammate

I mean did you win though

[snow pendant]

last bar of health have to swing my devil claw sword out to extract

[last parcel]

they can do the same thing by shooting one bullet before resupplying without needing you to take field improv

[coral imp]

Well, highest dmg with the weapons I play, haha. Only fool around in Heresy, so nothing hardcore. Running Vld Recon Lasgun and Mk IV chainsword atm. With krak n VOC. Having fun, but want to know how to maximize my dmg, basically.

[terse idol]

Yrah

I mean least ya won thats the take away I'll have to say

Troll teammates troll

Not really a fault of picking field imp

[grand kindle]

I was looking into some veteran builds and saw that almost no high level build is using executioners stance, is there any particular reason for that or is the shout just better?
I like picking out elites with the plasma gun and the ability but havent played much on damnation or auric

[tall torrent]

Top 3 veteran melee weapons are Rashad mk2 combat axe, power sword mk6 and combat blade mk6

Top 3 veteran ranged weapons are Zarona revolver, Columnus mk5 infantry autogun and plasma gun

If you’re looking to maximize dmg with the current weapons u have

Can u send me ur talent tree I’ll take a look

[snow pendant]

i know that but that isnt as enticing as throwing 4 grenades which somehow i feel like is my fault for picking a skill that i intend to improve the resources for the team but instead costing the team resources cuz a troll ogryn wanted to spam his nades

[junior needle]

Buff the mk3 knife

It needs better horde clear

[coral imp]

What's the best way to share it?

[last parcel]

make and screenshot here
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[junior needle]

Exe currently pales in comparison to shout and to a lesser extent infiltrate in terms of practical usefulness

[coral imp]

Cool

[grand kindle]

ah okay, ty <3

[tall torrent]

Basically:

Exe stance has high point tax, bad pathing nodes & is awkward itself

VoC has the best pathing out of the 3 abilities and basically makes ur whole team unkillable

Infiltrate opens up opportunities and has very strong nodes leading up to it

[grand kindle]

sorry if im stupid but what is point tax?

[tall torrent]

Having to spend a certain amount of talent points to get something

[grand kindle]

aah makes sense, ty for the explanation <3

[coral imp]

Executioner's stance with Columnus MkV Infantry Autogun is pretty fun though. Kill everything that's shiny.

[tall torrent]

Lemme try to improve this

[coral imp]

Go right ahead 😄

[grand kindle]

i usually use it with plasma for the oneshots, but i guess that doesnt work above heresy

[coral imp]

Everything works if you have a team that can carry you.

[tall torrent]

2 points for u to spend on what u like

I don’t recommend marksman’s focus for recon Lasguns

They have very low finesse (weakspot & Crit bonus dmg) to make use out of it

If u want to use onslaught u can go for that

I don’t think there’s a particular “must-pick” keystone for the weapons u want to use

[coral imp]

Saw someone talk about brittle with this weapon, that something to go for?

[tall torrent]

If u plan on shooting crushers with ur gun a lot, yes

I don’t recommend it tho

[last parcel]

that comes from the onslaught talent mentioned before

[coral imp]

Nah, I give Krak to Crushers.

Ah okey

So low crit bonus damage but I stil go for that single crit hit chance?

[tall torrent]

Yes because shock trooper wants u to crit

For free ammo

[coral imp]

Ah, okey.

There's so much for me to learn, haha.

[fervent quiver]

I'M FINALLY BACK

[idle pecan]

What makes the ciag so good?

[fervent quiver]

So, shotgun and bolt pistol

what's new about them

[last parcel]

it kill good

https://tenor.com/view/sus-among-us-airpods-amogus-gun-gif-20665741

[terse idol]

this is an scp

[fervent quiver]

holy crap the bolter got a reserve buff, let's go

[coral imp]

I've no idea of what to spend the last two on.

[sleek garden]

Because it fires extremely fast

thats really about it

its somewhat accurate and it fires fast

[tall torrent]

Top right, 10% melee dmg & agile engagement

[grand kindle]

i love running around with the bolt gun with run and gun, it just feels so nice sprinting into elites and shooting them in the face, damage is underwhelming on damnation tho okay if you dont suck at headshots like me

[sleek garden]

people bring stuff that gives them rending on hit/high crit

[terse idol]

Eh, all weapons should be tested for Damantion

Boltgun's alright on Damnation

[coral imp]

Yeah that looks good. Thanks for the help!

[tall torrent]

Dmg is not underwhelming on damnation, you’re just expected to headshot a lot more

[grand kindle]

yea probably^^

then ill take that back^^

[faint beacon]

If you're not headshotting on Damnation already idk why you're on Damnation to begin with tbh

[austere pine]

my egirl hours are over

no more evelynn

[iron marten]

cool gojira avatar

[austere pine]

i've been listening to basically nothing but from mars to sirius for the past 3-4 months

[grand kindle]

mostly to try if im ready yet on low intensity, but i def need more training, not a shooter person usually

[tall torrent]

If ur good at melee you’re gonna be fine

[grand kindle]

doesnt seem to be everyones opinion, but nvm

[fervent quiver]

wait nani

shock mauls for everyone?

[junior needle]

I'd recommend the rending strikes bonus since they have negative to every armor type now

[junior needle]

Insane dps

These weapons

oh mah gawd

[uncut pebble]

What setup are you using to use those weird blessings?

Seems very out of the ordinary.

[arctic rampart]

they changed how rending strikes works? so is it better all around now, what about on power sword etc

is that why I see recon lasguns all over and they actually do stuff

[tall torrent]

Yea that works too

[tall torrent]

It’s pre-game lobby inspect

U can see what teammates are using

[uncut pebble]

Oh...

That's...

That's terrible...

The knife isn't that bad but the revolver is just yeesh.

[tall torrent]

Lacerate is bad

Crit dmg is bad

[uncut pebble]

Yeah but I'm just saying it's not unsuable.

*Unusable.

[plush hound]

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[uncut pebble]

Like, it's on a zealout, so they're probably doing a crit build with scourge, so lacerate is probably just to set it up.

So its not awful.

The revolver is just horribly bricked, though.

[last parcel]

just turn into a 5 shot boss meme

[uncut pebble]

Yeah, but considering you're a zealout with a knife crit build...

I dont see why you'd need it.

[pseudo fiber]

I just got a very interesting shotgun at melk

[junior needle]

No, recons got buffs

[plush hound]

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[bitter turtle]

just multiply them together

67% reduction

[plush hound]

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[idle pecan]

7a with Infernus and headhunter goes hard

[tall torrent]

It’s x0.5 x0.67 = x0.335 (66.5% toughness dmg reduction)

[idle pecan]

Very good meme gun

[tall torrent]

“Diminishing returns” is a scary word that doesn’t describe what really is going on very well

[native furnace]

"CIAVG"?

Ah shit, I flipped G and V. That explains it. 😛

Thanks!

[plush hound]

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[tall torrent]

Crit string nerfed from 4 to 3

Which nerfs gunpsyker a bit

[tame lodge]

Rip true aim

[plush hound]

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[tall torrent]

And then today they change close range definition from 8m to 12.5m meaning everything in regards to “+close DMG” now holds max effectiveness 4.5m further out than before, a 56.25% increase

[plush hound]

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[tall torrent]

It’s 3%

Well, it has base crit chance of -2%

But vet/zealot base crit is 5%

So it’s 3%

[plush hound]

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[tall torrent]

It’s because of crit strings

[uncut pebble]

I may be a little lost here... what is a "crit string"?.

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent I think FS made an Oopsie dasies

[tall torrent]

If u crit the next X shots consecutively also Crit

[faint beacon]

sending a clip here in a second

[plush hound]

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[junior needle]

infernus isn't as good as dumdum for that one

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/icf19nfEOVF4SRgNT/d1337Fhj1vn3?invite=cr-MSw5bGssMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[uncut pebble]

I see, thanks for the clarification.

[faint beacon]

DumDum is close ranged damage it procs

watch that clip

[uncut pebble]

So infernus on things with crit strings is good?

Weapon specialist, though.

[tall torrent]

On Psyker id say Infernus + dum dum is pretty funny

On veteran/zealot I still think dum dum is better

[uncut pebble]

Whip out my lasgun and shred a target with fire.

[tall torrent]

Infernus + dum dum + laspistol on gun psyker tho

It’s a special kind of funny

U casually reach 50%+ crit chance when u pop SG

[uncut pebble]

I may do a gunker build with recon lasguns.

[tall torrent]

And u have ghost whenever u crit

And true aim just gives u crits for free

It’s hilarious

[uncut pebble]

How long is the crit string on recons?

[tall torrent]

2

It’s low

[uncut pebble]

Well considering their rof it makes sense.

[tall torrent]

Trauma + DS4/deimos in scab melee maelstrom is turbo busted

U can quite literally just look at ur own feet half the game and still top dmg

[uncut pebble]

1 staff is more valuable for ammo consumption teamwise than an entire stack of survivalist vets.

[tall torrent]

With trauma

[tall torrent]

Yes but most builds don’t use that much ammo

Gun psyker
Gun ogryn
Recon6d
Flamer (depends)
Boltgun
Plasma (depends)
Agripinaa shotgun

[somber axle]

Gunlugger Twinstubber!

I think the others don't use much ammo

[tall torrent]

Ogryn in general doesn’t need a lot of ammo

[faint beacon]

Im still baffled watching DumDum proc at over 40+ms

[somber axle]

I've had other Ogryns spamming ranged who could function off of map pick ups fine without red ammo

[tall torrent]

Actually check

Does dum dum proc at 47m+

If ur still on

[faint beacon]

^

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s 40m

[faint beacon]

going back in right now

[tall torrent]

Check 47m+

My guess is

They did a flat multiplier (?) to range?

Instead of changing the parameters

[coral imp]

47 meters is close combat? Nice.

[tall torrent]

They multiplied the parameter by 1.5625

Which is how 8m went to 12.5m

And since ur showing that it’s working at 40m

I’m guessing the 30m parameter also got multiplied

Into 46.875m

[idle pecan]

Is the fire shotgun worth it

[coral willow]

lawbringer? think they use a lot of ammo

least i do

[faint beacon]

hahahaha doing you one better

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/icfaMBgPIy-jAtOcv/d1337n0GnNpF?invite=cr-MSxIS2QsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[tame lodge]

Still on the same planet (lmao)

[junior needle]

Inadvisable over the alternatives (laspistol especially)

[tall torrent]

I think outside of agripinaa shotgun it just depends on what ur trying to do

[faint beacon]

48-47

still proccing

[coral willow]

hmm.

idk id put all shotguns in ammo heavy category

[tall torrent]

Ok ykw just check at what range it stops going up cuz of dum dum

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[idle pecan]

I got a ciagv with native dumdum and death spitter, that's goated right

[coral imp]

Is there a go-to build for ciagv?

[idle pecan]

I also wanna know that

Do crit builds work with auto guns?

I've been using 7a with a 50% crit build

[faint beacon]

its fucking proccing at 50

[coral imp]

Lol

[faint beacon]

50ms

what is this heresy

Well guys Guess DumDum is staying on the menu even more

[junior needle]

Depends on which one, iag's have large finesse values while shredder and brauto get basically nothing

[coral imp]

Don't think Shock Trooper will help ciagv though

[junior needle]

People were memeing deadshot with the ciag before on here

[tall torrent]

He means Columnus doesn’t need shock trooper so that’s 1 point less cost

[coral imp]

Otherwise it's the same?

[tall torrent]

Well no, they also don’t suffer from suppression as hard as recon so u basically don’t need to think about suppression immunity ever

That’s 1~2 point lower cost most of the time

[sleek garden]

this game feels so hard when im not playing veteran shooting all the specials in the back

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon uh

Do u have onslaught on that build

Just in case

[faint beacon]

took it off

still proccing

fml dude

lmao

[sleek garden]

im trying to play over game pass on pc and i am getting kicked every 3 seconds

[tall torrent]

Hmm ok

[faint beacon]

I think its just DumDum

might've gotten broken from their value adjusting

tried the CIAG

its proccing at 48 also

GIAG, CIAG

lets see what else

AAIG is proccing

I wouldn't be surprised if all Recons are as well

[sleek garden]

anyone else having insane lag spikes after the patch

like every few minutes

[gilded rock]

Yeah sometimes, some sessions it runs perfectly and some it has bouts of that

[civic knot]

Which helbore shoots the fastest?

and which one is an inbetweener?

[solemn dock]

Been loving this commissar build, bolt pistol fits it much better than the bolter did

[arctic rampart]

@sleek garden the new mission has more mobs. I think once the density of the mobs gets big, that's when a bit of non-fps lag happens for me.

[thorn lark]

mk2

[thorn lark]

mk1

[arctic rampart]

I have my frames locked at 120 but it feels like its chunking. Is that similar lag experience? If it's FPS -- I'd recommend CapFrameX if you want to be serious about resolving it. It's a free tool that you use to capture during a session. Then iterate some config change, record again. Repeat as needed...

[arctic rampart]

Gives you output like this so you can see the lag spikes https://cms.capframex.com/api/assets/capframex-com/480d6698-08d7-4542-84ca-0863f32a449d/frontpic.png

[civic knot]

Invest? Does maniac give any breakpoint? or doesnt this thing already one shot them without it?

[tall torrent]

Maniac gives non-crit 1HS on charged shot

[civic knot]

on what enemy?

[rigid pilot]

I assume flamer or rager

Maniac ragers should have easier BPs now they don't have 15% DR anymore

On the head

[marble mantle]

Salvageable?

Was thinking second perk and second blessing gotta go

[rigid pilot]

Sure

Elites isn't the worst

[marble mantle]

Figured yeah

[rigid pilot]

Terrifying barrage isn't the worst either tbh

If you are playing weapon spec definitely go for manstopper

[marble mantle]

Tbf if I was running wep spec this would be bricked cuz both barrels is unnecessary

[rigid pilot]

Imo you want both barrels regardless

[marble mantle]

Really? Why?

Safety?

[rigid pilot]

Its just too good

[marble mantle]

Fair

[rigid pilot]

Vs a group of ragers you just

Spam double barrels

[marble mantle]

Change perk to flak?

[rigid pilot]

Vs anything too dense you also just spam double barrels

Also there's nothing much better for the DBs

[marble mantle]

Fair

@faint beacon u never sent your wep spec infiltrate build

[zenith helm]

Guys which knife is the best atm? and what blessings are perks to use?

[junior needle]

6 generally, 3 is best if you want to light spam for everything

[zenith helm]

ty

[junior needle]

6 requires you to use the cleave heavies

to exceed the 3 on clear

[zenith helm]

so 6 hits heavier

and what blessings and perks am i looking for?

[junior needle]

There's a guide in the pins that should be mostly good

I only play zealot atm so I can't say what you want for vet

Generally uncanny is BIS

[torn gorge]

as if psyker needs anything more than assail and a melee weapon

[rigid pilot]

I saw a level 400 desperately trying to clutch with surge only

[torn gorge]

you mean the surge main psykers?

[sleek garden]

surge staff?

[zenith helm]

@junior needle BIS = Best in slot?

[torn gorge]

those that will only spam surge 24/7

[sleek garden]

do you mean the bio lightning or the staff

[rigid pilot]

Yea surge staff

He had surge smite the classic loadout

No melee slot apparently

[sleek garden]

why do people spam surge without charging it up

[torn gorge]

[rigid pilot]

Brainrot

[sleek garden]

mine can kill a bulwark in four charged strikes but i see people spam it like 40 times and only kill trash

it only hurts two people at once

do something else

i wish more veterans went anti shooter

[torn gorge]

people like that staff for being able to handle specials for the most part

[sleek garden]

every time i play psyker i really miss not having a lasgun to pick off the 40 gunners in the back

not to say psyker isnt fun

[torn gorge]

just play dome

[sleek garden]

because it is

[torn gorge]

or spam your shriek harder

[sleek garden]

but i want massive force push

[torn gorge]

sounds like assail/trauma/dome is the build for you

[sleek garden]

been there done that

[torn gorge]

just run a knife or something vs bosses

[sleek garden]

i still use trauma staff but now i use the obscurus and force push and empowered psionics brain burst

not the most efficient

but its fun

[torn gorge]

EP is fun idd

[sleek garden]

it makes brain burst better

[rigid pilot]

Smite surge just makes no sense in my head

[sleek garden]

because it charges quick

[rigid pilot]

Unless you just want the talents

[sleek garden]

actually i find it works all right but people just confuse the two

id take smite with empowered psionics and do moderate damage to a horde or i can surge two or three crushers

[rigid pilot]

Surge Ball vs the sniper 90m away and the revolver zealots and plasma vets aren't shooting it

[torn gorge]

if you dont take shriek

[severe gale]

woe orb upon ye

[torn gorge]

smite makes sense

on a staff that has limited crowd control capabilities

[rigid pilot]

You take smite because you can get the talent for 5% CDR

So you can spam vent more

Assail doesn't let you get it

[sleek garden]

okay do i take kinetic deflection or an extra fifteen toughness

right now i have the toughness

[rigid pilot]

KD is nice for revive and bosses

[torn gorge]

deflection is safer

imo

you just swap to double thoughness curio if you havent already

[rigid pilot]

I used to play no KD but it's more sweaty for 15% more toughness, isn't worth it imo

[sleek garden]

i dont typically aim for boost nodes like stat increases

so i was just thinking

because my psyker is pretty glass cannony right now

[torn gorge]

but thats the reality of psyker builds

[hearty panther]

god i hate warp charges

[rigid pilot]

WC costs too much 💀

[sleek garden]

actually im making two versions of my build one with warp charges the other with empowered psionics

[torn gorge]

glass cannon and play aggressive to sustain thoughness attrition

[rigid pilot]

Take DD and you get all the toughness and KD you ever want

[hearty panther]

so fucken expensive

[sleek garden]

well dont go down the tree all the way for it

im using it for the cooldown reduction

[rigid pilot]

But 6 charges

[sleek garden]

and the slight decrease in peril generation

[hearty panther]

god it's so shit

[sleek garden]

im trying to do something silly right now and get fast cooldown for my shriek that will apply soulblzew

then i will take soulblaze talents

[rigid pilot]

It doesn't need to be 4 nodes deep but 🤷‍♂️ psyker rework coming soon

[torn gorge]

wait what

rework?

[rigid pilot]

There's a bunch of new psyker talents in the source code

[severe gale]

https://tenor.com/view/trolling-anime-me-after-a-long-day-gif-25970094

[rigid pilot]

Probably being play tested now

[torn gorge]

[rigid pilot]

Might not ever come true but

[faint beacon]

Thanks for the reminder one second

[torn gorge]

tbf

i think psyker rn has one of the highest build variety

[rigid pilot]

One day I'll be right

Does it really

[sleek garden]

idk you can do a lot with veteran

[rigid pilot]

In terms of loadout sure but the skill tree is mostly the same

[sleek garden]

all the other classes have things you get locked out of but veteran doesnt have that i think

[torn gorge]

i guess

even tho id rather see a zealot tree rework

[sleek garden]

zealot is the one i play the least simply because i see so many zealots

[torn gorge]

and you can also count 99% of zealots to run right capstone

[rigid pilot]

I just rather play melee vet because weapon spec is so fun

[faint beacon]

@marble mantle Tree itself is this

its more knife focused

[rigid pilot]

Wait this is vet chat

[junior needle]

Yep

[civic knot]

are you not going down left side to get weakspot damage? if you arent then this is bad

[rigid pilot]

The weakspot damage is right there

[faint beacon]

The knife has mercy killer on it is the main reason

[rigid pilot]

Oh nvm it's thats middle tree

[faint beacon]

Serrated + mercy blah blah

[civic knot]

are u going with elite dmg and weakspot dmg?

or is this the whole tree?

[sleek garden]

im getting really sick of getting dced every 3 seconds today

[civic knot]

okay so if you want suggestions, remove these 3 things: skirmisher, rending strikes, swap the infiltrate dmg buff for +15% ability dmg

@faint beacon

[torn gorge]

didnt today patch address at least partially the dcs?

[faint beacon]

CQK?

Cause it hit me like a truck

[civic knot]

Otherwise you are missing out on a near constant +45% dmg on elites and +30% on everyone else

[faint beacon]

holy shit this is outdated

Like I think I made this build ages ago and just never bothered readjusting it lmao

[civic knot]

@faint beacon And instead, go get the weakspot damage on the left side and elite dmg

thats gonna help a lot more than going for mostly unnecessary stuff life rending strikes, skirmisher and the infil dmg buff

[faint beacon]

Yeah no it instantly clicked to me the moment you sent this lmao

[civic knot]

[faint beacon]

i was looking over the tree and I was like oh yeah I should probably change it to those cause the knife has Uncanny already

lmao

[civic knot]

basically every vet build wants that stuff on the left

[faint beacon]

I think this was a Hybrid build at first lmao

[civic knot]

too damn good not to take

FYI: weakspot dmg talent also applies to ur melee which makes knives crazy much stronger

[faint beacon]

We're looking at this so far

2 points to spare

FTE and Superiority?

[torn gorge]

superiority i would consider mandatory

[faint beacon]

Naturally

[civic knot]

Thx brunt xD

[faint beacon]

Superiority is a given

[civic knot]

chefs kiss

how many points u got left?

ooohhh wait

[faint beacon]

2

[civic knot]

ur missing one of the best talents

[faint beacon]

Exactly two atm

and that is?

[civic knot]

tactical awareness

-6 secs off ability cooldown on specialist kill

insanely good

no vet build is complete without it

[torn gorge]

oh i mixed things up

thats what i meant

[civic knot]

also honorable mention for iron will

[torn gorge]

cdr on ult is more relevant than elite damage

if you cant afford both

[civic knot]

always do both unless ur using bolter or something, where it doesnt give a breakpoint

[faint beacon]

Oh you mean Superiority Complex

we can afford it thankfully

we can get it

its more the what should get of the 3 before it

[civic knot]

both superiority complex and tactical awareness

90% of vet builds should have this

[faint beacon]

FTE, Born Leader and Keep Their Heads Down

what am I forced to pick up

hmmmm

Im thinking FTE

[civic knot]

take your pick on these

[torn gorge]

tbf cycling ults faster is what every class wants

[civic knot]

they are pretty much negligable

[faint beacon]

Where is Tac Awarness again?

Istfg im blind

Cause I know where Superiority is

oh wait I have both

[civic knot]

The one highlighted here

[faint beacon]

it clicked to me the moment I sent that

[civic knot]

👌

[faint beacon]

I was getting Superiority and Tac mixxed up

[civic knot]

ye

[faint beacon]

But yes I have both and this is what it looks like now

Im running Always Prepared cause of using DB

[civic knot]

much better but if i were you I would ditch close quarters killzone for iron will

[coral willow]

no ogryn damage is cursed

[civic knot]

no, be quiet

[coral willow]

smh

[civic knot]

ogryns arent that common of big of a threat to warrant taking that

unless ur going down there already

[torn gorge]

pretty stnadard build there

[coral willow]

it does boss also?

[civic knot]

take your pick: 15% dmg against all elites or 20% against only ogryn and monstros

[torn gorge]

you could prob swap the stam on dodge for iron will

[faint beacon]

I will show you why here in a second the knife makes up for it

[civic knot]

bosses also arent that common of big of a threat to warrant taking that

[coral willow]

i take both tbh

[civic knot]

you should build for killing what needs to die FIRST

which is gunneers and specials

[civic knot]

perfectly good if youre going to focus target already

[faint beacon]

Honestly you did make this thing a bit spicier appreciate the help with it

[junior needle]

Gunners are back to normal for the moment

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ich94Sl7QM2cqrj3J/d1337yAGVNdQ?invite=cr-MSxSUTIsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Now its doing this lmao

[coral willow]

i use it on WS

[civic knot]

all G

[civic knot]

do you run at least one stam regen cooldown node?

[coral willow]

no

[civic knot]

cause imo you neeeeeeed that

to push efficiently

and keep enemies from meleeeing you without running out of stamina

[coral willow]

almost never take it tbh

[torn gorge]

that depends on weapon

tbf

[coral willow]

even with ps6 i dont use it

[torn gorge]

cant expect to play mk6 knife like a psyker for example

[civic knot]

Bad idea. then you cant push much to horde control and will run out of stam immediately since ur dodging so much

[coral willow]

eh

[faint beacon]

Coming from experience this helps a shit ton, that and you could probably sprinkle in some stamina regen on curios if you want more

[civic knot]

fair enough, but imo the better you are at killing instead of having to wait for stam, the better you will perform and the easier time you will have staying alive

[coral willow]

better experience for me was blockcharge-light light light to kill horde in front of me

do this for 10 times until horde is decimated

[civic knot]

i mean i guess powersword might be the one single outlier in some ways

[coral willow]

push does limit me on crusher/mauler killing

[civic knot]

since it has a shit ton of horde clear and dmg

[coral willow]

and monstro damage

[civic knot]

ye and thats not very good unless u can deal with crushers with ur ranged

if you use plasma we're not friends anymore

[coral willow]

vet outside of bolters and plasma and revo doesnt have much tho

i use plasma ps6 ws cause im a sweaty gamer

[civic knot]

what a ignorant statement

[faint beacon]

Thats honestly probably why I was never a fan of PSword

[faint beacon]

violently coughs in HHA 1 tapping Gunners to the head

[coral willow]

onslaught takes idk 2 crushers at most in 1 mag?

ps6 push can crit oneshot at times for me

[civic knot]

whoops delete

[coral willow]

i have a record feature

[last parcel]

breaking tos smh

[coral willow]

smh my head

[faint beacon]

This thing has deleted so many Gunners you dont understand

[civic knot]

You use plasma because it trivializes enemies that shouldnt be trivial. Thats why people use it

[faint beacon]

HHA 7 before you ask

[civic knot]

headhunter?

[coral willow]

idk i use plasma cause i dont like trappers hiding behind bulwarks

[faint beacon]

Correct

Click on head instantly delete both gunner types

[civic knot]

trauma is kinda broken too yeah

[civic knot]

use shredder nades: problem solved

[coral willow]

i do

so yes

[civic knot]

then use em when theres bulwarks

[coral willow]

the trapper part is the important bit

[civic knot]

i know

[faint beacon]

I start tossing shredders when I see Bulwarks or Crushers seeing they will Meatshield for specials

[civic knot]

idk man listen to sound cues and dodge accordingly?

[civic knot]

same

altho a group of bulwarks but themselves arent anything to be worried about

[coral willow]

ah if not for the bulwark blocking my dodge from front of me for some reason

[civic knot]

its the bulwarks + specials that suck

[coral willow]

[faint beacon]

Reminder a lone bulwark can be blocked

and you can punish off that

lmao

[civic knot]

lol yea i forget that

always dodge em

[coral willow]

bulwark solo is nothing more than a nuisance

[faint beacon]

it does not make sense to me how a puny knife can stagger a bulwark swinging his club

I do that or slide to the side and cut their knees lmao

[coral willow]

if you get stabbed in the cranium wouldnt you get stunned

[civic knot]

brain's a brain. it can be punctured all the same

[faint beacon]

Fist of steel I suppose

[junior needle]

GAWD

[amber cliff]

ITS BRICKEd

GIVE IT TO MME

ITS BRIOCKED

[coral willow]

so anyoen tried runngun on DB

or is direct damage blessing perferred

[gilded rock]

I use that, it definitely feels like I hit 1 shots from further ranges than I normally would

One thing to note is that either Run n Gun or Weapon Specialist, or maybe both interacting with each other, occasionally makes the shotgun not fire when it should while you're sprinting or coming out of a sprint

Doesn't happen often enough to deter me though

[last parcel]

it seems like when you reload manually and start sprinting with run n gun too soon, it sometimes doesn't count the reload until you stop sprinting even though the ammo count is up

[gilded rock]

That could be it, I should test it to see if I can get it to happen more consistently

[marble mantle]

Thanks g

[idle dirge]

Why do people always go for the rashad combat axe over achlys? As far as I can tell there's not really a difference other than achlys having a different first heavy, which does twice as much damage to maniacs

[torn gorge]

rashad has finesse as stat multiplier

[idle dirge]

They both have finesse, antax is the one that doesn't

[torn gorge]

oh achlys

used to be bugged iirc

[idle dirge]

If it's no longer bugged it seems like a straight upgrade to rashad lol

[torn gorge]

tbf rashad heavy damage on maniac is pitiful

[rigid pilot]

Lights

[junior needle]

Vastly better moveset

[idle dirge]

I'll check 'em out now, could've sworn they were the same though

[junior needle]

The antax and rashad are basically the same

[faint beacon]

@marble mantle Refer to this for the bottom section and toss the extra node on infil that gives you damage

[torn gorge]

antax has a diff first light

[idle dirge]

The antax is the one more focused on cleave, achlys' stats are almost identical to rashad

[faint beacon]

You want your knife to have Mercy Killer + Uncanny

[junior needle]

achlys lights are 2x overheads and a diagonal

I'm sure you can see why theyre bad for clearing

It clears with heavy and push attacks instead

But ends up just being more work for less reward

[idle dirge]

Ahh, I see that now. Basically just a matter of preference then

[junior needle]

Rashad is just better than the antax because of finesse

Easier to hit breakpoints and faster attacks

[idle dirge]

I mean, yeah. I'm not questioning if antax is in the picture, I'm only talking about rashad and achlys :p

[faint beacon]

TRULY this is the winner we were looking for (its not)

[coral willow]

rashad's main damage source is oneshotting light enemies with brutal momentum and killing 3 other enemies with it. rashad continuously does horizontal attacks, making great use of brutal momentum
on the other hand, achylis focuses on vertical swings, only having a marginal slanted attack on light 3(its also seems to be slower than rashad still for whatever reason)
for me i have found a niche usecase of brutal momentum-thrust combo on achylis to spam heavy 1 and take out high health targets in 1 go that headtaker-brutal mometum rashad cannot do

[idle dirge]

I think with the way I've been using the axes achlys will probably be better

[coral willow]

this is marginal and not the greatest effort you can put in though.

[junior needle]

Rashad is 2x diagonal and 1x horizontal iirc

[coral willow]

also lights deal better damage on rashad on maniac then heabys

heavys are exclusive to carapace and unyielding essentially

[coral willow]

its horizontal enough, shut

[junior needle]

🤓

[idle dirge]

It's gonna take me a while to get enough money and plasteel to get a good achlys anyways lmao

[rigid pilot]

Back to the grind ⛏️

[coral willow]

how do you use the achylis anyway

or axes

[marble mantle]

Same reason why I wasn’t a big fan of playing w zealots w thunder hammer

[rigid pilot]

Pee vet is sweaty?

[faint beacon]

managed this, its there I suppose lmao I already have a good rashad so i said fuck it lets see if we can make this work

First target makes me weep

[junior needle]

heavy and push combo

[red crescent]

Anybody recommend any builds for Veteran? Im trying to use Plasma but man i hate how slow it is. Very effective though..

[tall torrent]

what

[coral willow]

idk how to say this, cause i dont think he's that fast on killing 10 crushers

i guess i forgot about helbore

[tall torrent]

what are u comparing to

[coral willow]

themselves

not much i think

[tall torrent]

what metric is killing 10 crushers exactly

game spawns up to 6 in a pack normally

it's either 6 or 12 (2 packs)

[coral willow]

hm

mustve seen the latter and thought it was 10 then

[tall torrent]

and outside of scab melee maelstrom ur gonna run into maybe 30 crushers maximum in a normal mission

even in scab melee maelstrom it's more mauler & scab rager spam than crusher

are u only looking at ranged weapons for crusher killing

[coral willow]

for that statemnt yes i did cause vet has at least 2 exclusive melee weapons that make crusher into dumpsterfire

even excluding that, caxe

[tall torrent]

why don't u talk about how psyker has the best weapons for killing crushers

[coral willow]

because i was talking about vet

[tall torrent]

on top of uncanny + soulblaze spam

[coral willow]

psyker should get nerfed tbh

[tall torrent]

vet has more than combat axe for crushers too

power sword, combat axe, knife, chainaxe, shovel

shock maul is not bad at it either

[coral willow]

ps and shovel i mentioned

[tall torrent]

only chainsword & DC sword genuinely don't do well against them

[coral willow]

chaxe and knife is my bad

[tall torrent]

for ranged weapons u have other options too

as much of a meme onslaught is, it still makes automatics kill crushers

vraks 7 with rending kills crushers

[faint beacon]

You guys have any suggestions for other good Horde clear melees on Vet that aren't Rashad or PS

[tall torrent]

vraks 3 with rending kills crushers

[faint beacon]

I am bored of them is all

[tall torrent]

shock maul

[coral willow]

hm

[faint beacon]

true

[tall torrent]

recon6d and columnus 5 both kill crushers

graia4 with onslaught can kill crushers too

[coral willow]

feel like they take half a magdump to kill one

[tall torrent]

yea guess what revolver takes 40% mag size to kill one normally

if u think only revolver boltgun and plasma kill crushers u just need more practice

[coral willow]

i dont put revos in crusher killer area unless you build on vet to oneshot on crit headshot

[tall torrent]

this is pretty insane because revolver 2 tap is faster TTK than plasma 3 tap with better ammo economy in the long run, and it procs WS to help whatever melee u have kill crusher better

[coral willow]

i might be too uh harsh on weapons doing something then
ill reevaluate

[coral willow]

dont like plasma either tbh

[somber axle]

IT'S MY TIME TO SHINE

[tall torrent]

cast the bias aside and see things in a more objective light

[coral willow]

plasma gets a pass cause it has the mag to least "deal" with crusherspam in an area
i may have been thinking "if it cant take the crusher packs in solo reliably within a short timeframe its bad" mindset

[tall torrent]

crusher spam is genuinely not that hard

[somber axle]

Pre-Secrets of the Machine God you could kill a Crusher with 5-9 ammo spent on a Recon Mk VId

DPS could range from 3k-3.4k

[tall torrent]

I'll take crusher spam over dreg rager spam any day

[somber axle]

Variance is because of crits

Good crit strings meant less ammo and more damage

[coral willow]

i like rsger spam more tbh

[somber axle]

Bad crit strings meant more ammo spent and less damage

Keep in mind that Secrets of the Machine God didn't nerf the Recon Mk VId's damage, it buffed the DPS by increasing the rate of fire

[tall torrent]

crusher melee is way more fun than rager melee

[somber axle]

Technically you can still achieve Crusher kill and even hit 3.6k+ DPS now with only 5 ammo spent

[coral willow]

idk getting silent crusher'd isnt fun
ragers are noiser idk

[somber axle]

but she spits lasfire so fast it's tricky to control that

[coral willow]

is it 1200rpm now

[junior needle]

disclaimer

[tall torrent]

ykw
go meat grinder and just practice 1v6 crusher

[coral willow]

dump bolter on head kill 3 of them and then deal with stragglers is my goto

[delicate moat]

my goto is to lead the overhead into unsuspecting teammates

[tall torrent]

just learn how to melee 1v6 crushers it's not that difficult

[coral willow]

its not difficult

[umbral scaffold]

uh

[coral willow]

the problem is just getting rid of them before whatever bullshit your teammate or the AI brings on you

[umbral scaffold]

fire frenzy or deathspitter on columnus?

[tall torrent]

DS

[umbral scaffold]

thanks my mujahadeen brother

[delicate moat]

you should be able to shove teammates

[coral willow]

its called a barrel

[delicate moat]

pack of ragers? sacrifice a teammate

[tall torrent]

so what exactly is ur problem here
cuz now it sounds like a "my teammates suck and deal 0 carapace dmg" issue instead of "vet can't kill crushers fast outside of bringing 3 guns"

[somber axle]

Oh yeah this is the old build that would double down on Exe Stance, For the Emperor, Marksman, Close Quarters Kill Zone, Shock Trooper, Rending Strikes, Onslaught, Focus Target and a few other ranaged damage increases throughout the tree. Sometimes I'd even give up grenade regen too! My old Recon Mk VId build relied on min maxing DPS through Deadshot uptime using triple Stam curios, +1 stam talent node under Confirmed Kill and juggling stamina during fights with Focus Target + Target Down. Before I swapped into using Close Quarters Kill Zone I was also pushing to the frontline to purposely bait enemy ranged elites and non-elites to shoot at me so I could dodge slide and use the bonus stam generated from Duck and Dive to get even more stamina for more Deadshot uptime. It was a very strong combo but it was definitely more squishy than a set up using HP or toughness curios and required a lot more effort to maintain that level of DPS throughout a fight

[coral willow]

my issue from the start was vet cant kill crushers fast enough without said 3 guns using only ranged

idk if this is a me mindset

might need to change that

[tall torrent]

the problem with ur issue is that crushers aren't designed to be dealt with by ranged weapons most of the time

[junior needle]

Condensed disclaimer

[somber axle]

Try the Recon Mk VId with Weapon Specialist's ranged attack speed boost. It's so fun, even if it does chew through ammo faster than any gun in the game LMFAO

[somber axle]

I am a clown and my shoes jingle when I dance. The guns like how silly I am and dance with me. Don't do what I do unless you too enjoy clown costumes

[coral willow]

true

[tall torrent]

u can start by equipping iron will on every build

[somber axle]

My Helbore Mk II build kills them in two shots per Crusher for practically free when comboing Deadshot + Surgical and Shock Trooper with a faster TTK than Plasma and might even be faster than Weapon Specialist Revolver if someone is swapping melee to strike a poxwalker for the guaranteed crit for both Zarona Revolver shots to meet the 2HKO

[coral willow]

voc:

i know voc benefits more from IW

[tall torrent]

yea, iron will makes VoC way better

[coral willow]

i just dont pick it usually kekw

[somber axle]

Actually wait yeah

If a WS Vet with Revolver swaps

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk II is MUCH faster

[tall torrent]

change ur builds and take it 100% of the time

[coral willow]

i might, vet needs a renewal

and more weapon farming

for my vet that is not actual game nalance

[coral willow]

havent got a good knife either

[tall torrent]

I caved and spent my last plasteel on ogryn pickaxes

[coral willow]

aint picking lacerate on vet but i dont think ft is good on vet

[tall torrent]

the pickaxes are so good they convinced me to play ogryn

[sinful swallow]

[somber axle]

What ability are you using with it? Bullgryn or Tauntgryn times?

[tall torrent]

rush

[coral willow]

pickaxes were good i just didnt know how to deal with shooters while engaged with melee enemies

been trying to run gungryn rumbler

eats ammo but its funny

[sinful swallow]

Carpet bomber is based

[tall torrent]

u mean gunners or shooter/stalker

[somber axle]

I just looked up Pickaxe blessings and realised there's no Skullcrusher

[coral willow]

shooter before patch they were nerfed too much now now i miss them

gunners are gunners

idiotic to not deal with them first

[torn gorge]

why would you want skullcrusher on a weapon that can 1tap crushers

[sinful swallow]

Yeah the nerfs went pretty hard

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

no but u can run thrust/slaughterer/headtaker

which is very strong

[coral willow]

that reminds me

[somber axle]

I have never seen an Ogryn do that, I've only seen them doing the funny yoink animation pulling crowds toward them

[coral willow]

to run crusis skullcrusher

[somber axle]

But then I'm not really watching pickaxe Ogryns closely so idk what the weapon even does

I've kinda assumed it was good horde control?

[torn gorge]

branx can 1 tap like foldable shovel

[tall torrent]

hook is very strong

I think karsolas is the best (at least for me)

[torn gorge]

the other 2 have the yoink combo that can also kill a crusher

[coral willow]

hook is probably only not busted cause its on a ogryn

[tall torrent]

however brunt decided that I should play branx

[coral willow]

branx hits like a train

[tall torrent]

no, hook is just rly strong

[somber axle]

Oh also @junior needle when do you wanna do the thing tonight? I'm finally free for some games

[torn gorge]

i wish karsolas moveset would be more different than what the middle one has

[tall torrent]

prob the best weapon special outside of hard monster stagger

[coral willow]

im just saying its "bad" cause ogryn's mobility is bad
i think its really op tbh

[tall torrent]

it is different

[torn gorge]

it is

[somber axle]

Hook looks REALLY fun to play tbh

[torn gorge]

but not enough to warrant the tradeoff i think?

[shadow aurora]

It wouldnt run through so much ammo if fs stopped beating around the bush and gave the abilities modifiers to the aoe

[coral willow]

if it was on zealot it'd be fucking busted

[torn gorge]

and karsolas is the one i have multiple good rolls

[coral willow]

i use the 15% close damage one for that reason, not sure how effective that is tho

[tall torrent]

karsolas single target is [hook > heavy overhead > light overhead] repeat

or u can do PA > H0 > L0

[somber axle]

also like I love Skullcrusher Shieldgryn memes because pairing that with Taunt is so fun and a crazy way of just improving overall squad damage and survivability massively

[tall torrent]

2 access into overhead string

[torn gorge]

[coral willow]

i dont think taunt applies skullcrusher now p sure

[tall torrent]

borovian feels off to me idk

[shadow aurora]

Cant be much of a difference how its set up atm

[coral willow]

i wanted kasolas but borovian got into me but still dont have a thrust

[tall torrent]

cuz borovian PA into H1 sweep so the only way u can access overhead immediately is hook

[coral willow]

true but idk
would it be better to run rending

[tall torrent]

L1 > H2 feels nowhere as good as hook > H2

[somber axle]

Taunt will bring the crowds to you, bonk them with shield and put Skullcrusher on them. Rager crowds become more manageable when a Tauntgryn is helping control the mixed horde to give the rest of the squad the freedom to engage

[shadow aurora]

If youre using sticky nades probably

[coral willow]

eh fair point

[coral willow]

for ogryn takedowns? gm

i think uh direct damage to crusher deals like 800 damage now lol

excluding explosion

[rigid pilot]

Didn't they buff kraks

[coral willow]

ye

[rigid pilot]

Does it kill reapers without the talent?

[coral willow]

marginal unless you wanna max out boss damage(yay) and bulwarks without talent

[somber axle]

Psst Numbers Cat I need advice

[coral willow]

it always died

[shadow aurora]

It does but unless it works differently from the close damage nothing will be getting added to the aoe

[coral willow]

dealt 4000 damage to 4000hp reaper

[somber axle]

is this worth picking up from Melkman or no

[rigid pilot]

Understandable

[coral willow]

kek.

[rigid pilot]

Also kraks vs bosses is so funny