veteran-class

[craggy dune]

Although it's probably better to take a chainsword or chainaxe for anti carapace I'd guess

but i'm not sure

[topaz lance]

Rashad does very well against carapace too

[craggy dune]

yeaaa

idk

I've tried using the Rashad, but i find it kind of annoys me sometimes

what's the other must have blessing for rashad besides brutal momentum?

[last parcel]

not chainsword

[last parcel]

think it’s headtaker but it’s also important to have unarmoured for scab bruisers

i don’t play rashad much so i’ll let the nerds double check that

[agile forge]

Headtaker. Decimator is also acceptable iirc, but worse.

[agile forge]

Chainsword is typically dogshit against carapace unfortunately, unless you go for a bloodletting one

[craggy dune]

I've got Decimator and Thrust

that I can use

i've heard thrust is good before

[lavish ferry]

my time as veteran shotty was not fruitful

[last parcel]

for fold shovel yeah

[topaz lance]

Of those two, use Decimator

[viscid sparrow]

btw, am I the only one who likes Loose Cannon over the other two vet personalities?

I mean yes, Loose Cannon's shout lines aren't as full of willpower as Professional's or Cadian's, but Loose Cannon still has the funniest dialogue imo (at least in Torrent and Manufactorum maps)

[last parcel]

yes you are literally the only person

and for that you must die

face the wall

[quiet token]

Is the vantage point mission bugged or smth?

[topaz lance]

LC is the friendliest of them. It's easy to like them.

[quiet token]

I've done 3 repair missions and it still doesn't count it

[topaz lance]

Cadian is just annoying

Cadian is Darktide ELf

Professional is ok, but kind of a dickhead

and a bore

[viscid sparrow]

imo LC also has some of the best (or at least funniest) dialogue with Bodyguard Ogryns, Professional Vets, Judge/Fanatic Zealots, and Seer/Savant Psykers

[last parcel]

other people have mentioned this

[quiet token]

Oh gee, I wonder why

[quick burrow]

im a cadian professional and i took that personally however its nothing compared to the horros i witnessed at cadia

[topaz lance]

Case in point

[last parcel]

a mirror

[primal igloo]

Just wondering, have fatshark acknowledged the hit reg issues ever and commented whether they intend to fix it? Just started playing again and rolled a vet, and like to play a weak spot marksman's focus build but the hit reg is the worst I've ever experienced and makes me not want to play.

I googled a bit and see threads about it going back years about it, are they just never going to sort it out?

[dusky raven]

Im going fucking insane

Neuron activation

[plain escarp]

I heard charge rate is bad

[marble mantle]

Morning lads n lasses n other

[plain escarp]

but is it still usuable even if it is under 50%?

might wanna continue with this one

or this one?

[marble mantle]

Second one

If you want the ideal

My guess is it’s good for now

[plain escarp]

aight

hope I get tier 4 get's hot

[marble mantle]

That’s the dream isn’t it soldier

Best of luck

[plain escarp]

what I got

I already have Blaze away 3 before as a blessing stored

[marble mantle]

Damn : (

I mean it’s def usable id switch prob weak spot to flak or elite and volatile to gets hot

But you’ll probably wanna pursue another one over time

[delicate moat]

shooter no longer have advanced training

[plain escarp]

but gloryhunter is decent?

[marble mantle]

Yees

Lots of toughness

[slow spade]

I'm surprised no maniac for the flamer 1-shot

[coral willow]

[tame lodge]

They went back to using stimms, making their aim sway

[coral willow]

his reasoning is that you more likely to headshot flamer since they are closer. if you want that swap flak->maniac, otherwise flak has more BP as in reaper having 1 headshot and 1 bodyshot n something cause the body is flak

[marble mantle]

I’m not a numbers guy, I’m a follow orders guy

Numbers are for witches, guns are for the faithful

[slow spade]

Ah ok

I can see that

[plain escarp]

got it

[slow spade]

Sorry we're going for industrial levels of casualties. Brb min maxing kill rates

[barren osprey]

Hey fellas, quick question. what's your experience with the "Competitive urge" talent in the middle tree? I'm still a bit conflicted if I really need it in my build but I need more opinions

[slow spade]

Oh wow that's a really good roll

[barren osprey]

For those who can't remember it off the top of their head

[plain escarp]

do I demolish to get Get Hot and place it on this one?

[slow spade]

Inconsistent at best, usually Vet doesn't need it when its on

Generally you want the boost when fighting ogryns and bosses

The times when ally kill rates are low...

[barren osprey]

Yeah but let's say I use a devils claw during a horde fight. Would the skill allow me to absolutely mow down the horde?

[slow spade]

Assuming your teammates aren't eating bricks and you're not too unlucky, yes

[plain escarp]

should I take the blessing and put it on my other plsama?

because it has better stats overall

albeit gloryhunter 3 instead of blaze away 3

[slow spade]

It is a shame to see a surprisingly good roll be used for blessings but I think extracting Gets Hot would be best

[barren osprey]

Thanks for the input, seems like there's probably better ways to get more damage

[slow spade]

Imo you would likely get more value from something like Longshot or the +10% rending perk

There's also a +10% melee damage node on the right tree

[barren osprey]

Literally exchanged it for that yeah 💀

[slow spade]

Lol

Sadly the +10% melee damage node is more consistent

[plain escarp]

well I suppose I could do worse

[dapper agate]

Well this just got a whole lot stronger with the close range distance increase. I use it in my stealth vet build where I run behind the elites and mag dump their backs while the allies distract them, also melts monsters.

[slow spade]

Born Leader + Gloryhunter is a good combo if you want to try it

[slow spade]

Yeah the +4.5m boost is a lot more reasonable

Than "have to be tickling their butthole" range

[plain escarp]

what does born leader do

[slow spade]

15% of all toughness you regen is also regen'd by all allies in coherency

So Glory Hunter can start buffing teammates as well

[plain escarp]

oh that's nice

[tawny badger]

born leader mfs when confirmed kill + exhilirating takedown

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-king-james-king-crown-lakers-gif-3644805052166030831

[slow spade]

Indeed, it was a lot more impactful when enemy shooters were aimboting

Should still be useful now though

[slow spade]

"Absolutely no one will die in coherency" build

[plain escarp]

I am pretty happy with my plasma

To go from not having one at all to this is nice

but I really want blaze away 4

should keep an eye out in melk shopsie

[versed osprey]

whats the stat dump on the plasma gun?

[last parcel]

doesn’t exist yet

[slow spade]

If only

[slow spade]

None of them are true dump stats

Charge rate though

[versed osprey]

is it stopping power?

[versed osprey]

oh

[slow spade]

its NEVER stopping power on any gun

[limpid ore]

charge rate bc you rarely have a reason to m2

[versed osprey]

facts

[last parcel]

stopping power directly affects your damage

[tawny badger]

strongest gunner pack vs weakest iron will + exhilirating takedown + confirmed kill user

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-senator-armstrong-gif-25280817

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-gif-19708758

[slow spade]

Can't kill, can't suppress, can't even kill their teammates

The gunner menace is neutralized UwU

[tawny badger]

and then I get floored by poxwalker backshots while trying to line up a shot

[topaz lance]

Why, don't you enjoy hearing the headshot sound with no effect?

[slow spade]

Plasma them too

[tawny badger]

plasma ❌

bolt pistol shove n' shoot ✅

[slow spade]

Then die

[tawny badger]

but I don't wannaaaaaa

[topaz lance]

You had me there already

[tame lodge]

Break yo self fool

[tawny badger]

:(

but it's funny smacking a poxwalker in the face and subsequently blasting their torso off

although I miss the followup shot 50% of the time after the shove

[covert moat]

How do I get perms to post an image?

Wanna share meh plasma gun

[coral willow]

type more so you get welcomed to the inquisition

idk tbh

i got quite early

[covert moat]

Lol

[oblique totem]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-soldi-smirk-grin-gif-14632572

[serene bough]

they reverted the change to scab/dreg shooters

thats strange

[slow spade]

Dregs I'm ok with

I feel like scabs should be spookier

[serene bough]

figured it would've been better if people just played with the changes and adapted for a few weeks before making the decision to revert the changes

oh well

[limpid ore]

Nope

You're cursed with pubs that refuse to shoot the shooters for eternity

[fiery wave]

Hard lock auric behind true level 1000

Would fix my most glaring issues with the game (the player base is bad)

[limpid ore]

Please don't

SA auric is dead enough as is

[wild vortex]

Bold assumption that true level is an accurate indicator of skill, rather than just a measure of how long you've spent playing

[fiery wave]

It would take a very long time to get true level 1k outside of auric

[near grove]

I’ve played with lvl 300s that were dog shit on normal damnation

So I do not trust the numbers

[wild vortex]

I once had to carry a lv 200 and a lv 250 through a normal Heresy when levelling my Shouty

So yeah, I don't trust true level either

[fiery wave]

I literally watched a level 7 carry a level 141 this morning

[marble mantle]

Time is not a gauge of skill

[fiery wave]

No talent points

Not a smurf

[near grove]

granted, maybe it was an off-build they were testing

But still, shouldn’t be that trash

[hearty panther]

you'd be surprised sometimes

like i have played game A, with tree A. and then i play game B, with one single node changed, and i get fucking WRECKED

everything has its own pace

[near grove]

That’s fair, it took me a while to get the hang of my off-builds for the psyker penances

And about to start the same for my veteran for that juicy mastery penance

[hearty panther]

if i go from zealot to psyker, iam guaranteed to blow myself up that first game at least three times

[near grove]

lmaooooo

[hearty panther]

because my muscle memory will have me Q switch to melee and press special for a chain rev

but actually, force sword, oops perils

it hurts every time

[near grove]

Fortunately I run m2 veteran and then asail psyker so I am always mindful of that big red number

But if you aren’t hanging around the 80%, you are throwing the game

not shooting enough

[winter grove]

GG I will be the only vet to shoot at shooters with a lasgun

[forest maple]

What should i change on my shotties ?

mainly for infiltrate/specialist

[near grove]

Hmmmm

Agripinaa Mk VII combat shotgun would be the first thing I change

[forest maple]

havent really used shotguns so i'm asking for perk/blessing advice

maniac/flak for perks as usual?

[topaz lance]

Agri; You want no respite and full bore on it which you can get that. You'd also ideally want unarmored and flak perks or maybe flakiac. I'd remove sprint efficiency for Flak

Agri is really strong imo btw. I run it with exe.

[forest maple]

you run agri with executioners stance? interesting. Auric? And are you using the special at all?

[topaz lance]

ah nah, mostly regular damnation, some Maelströms.
I always load a special if I have time. It triggers Full bore which is great. And it opens Bullwarks.

This thing is s much a sniper rifle as a shotgun, even the pellet rounds

[forest maple]

if you load a special, then swap to melee and then back to the shotgun, does it retain the special round?

[topaz lance]

yep

[forest maple]

thats great, ty

[topaz lance]

No problem! It is probbly my favorite ranged weapon in the game at the moment. Underrated imo.
Ammo economy can be rough though.

But still manageable.

[lunar sedge]

Hey guys, what you can say about recon lasguns about recent buff to them? Any good builds with them?

[celest rock]

Yes.

ExStance or VoC, both work

[lunar sedge]

VoC probably always work

I'm kinda tho a bit tired of it. I didn't have a chance to made a ExStance build myself, so is there any good versions?

[hearty panther]

yes VoC combos great with a gun and a weapon

i was doing the 6d with xstance

seems alright

they are definitely buffed but they still arent assault rifles

their niche is firmly the 0-20m range engagement

but thats like, almost all your engagements in a game

[old quail]

i did a match with the 2 and hated every minute of it but i top damaged

still cant stand the feel of recons

[lunar sedge]

I would choose VIIa tho, and I need something like Headhunter and Dum Dum on it, right?

[celest rock]

Ideally both

[hearty panther]

sus fire probs also fine

yea i dont like the feel of the II

i like the 6 purely because of the laser dakka

and boy it really do laser people now

[drifting oak]

my main gripe is that the recons still don't feel as impactful as just the infantry mg4

[celest rock]

It might be incorrect, but I'm running the Mk7a with survivalist, fully loaded and no ammo expended on crit

[lunar sedge]

6d kinda died when ammo aura got nerfed, 7a kinda could do something. But with recent buffs perhaps 6d can do better

[drifting oak]

and their ammo isn't as good

[lunar sedge]

But I would still start from 7a

[celest rock]

I wanna be able to target every elite on the map and not worry about ammo lol

[lunar sedge]

And waste about 25k plasteel and 1.5m ordos to get a decent Recon :(

[drifting oak]

just play the mg4 at that point

[hearty panther]

6d has tremendous ammo reserves

pretty close to the MG4 now

[drifting oak]

it has nowhere near the kill potential

[hearty panther]

i only ran out of ammo once last night over four games and thats cause i had to clutch from the mid-drop all the way to the catwalk medicae on the new map

[drifting oak]

You can slide-shot heads with mg4 hipsfire

in a single shot

@ 65 shots per mag

pop elite heads in 2 hits

[hearty panther]

6d is 160 shots per mag now

[celest rock]

Mg4 not go brrt

[hearty panther]

its about uptime and output

also MG4 has that dogshit 1.75/s sprint cost

for some goddamn reason

[celest rock]

BUT this could all be a moot point since most of the shooter changes got reverted

[drifting oak]

if you're spamming slides you barely lose any stamina anyway

[hearty panther]

oh you deffo do

you only dont lose stamina if youre psyker or vet with both stam nodes

[lunar sedge]

Is there any crucial passives from tree that synergize well with Recons?

[hearty panther]

otherwise it eats a chunk

[lunar sedge]

And worth to pick it up usually

[hearty panther]

also despite the reload speed nerf to the 6d the reload tech remains the same

and it still reloads faster than an MG4

man i wish they didnt revert the shooter changes, sigh

[drifting oak]

recons? take shocktrooper perk (crits don't spend ammo) and headhunter on your weapon

[celest rock]

Yup

[drifting oak]

that's about it really

for "mandatory"

it's highly recommended to take middle keystone + redirect fire because as a high ROF weapon recons benefit from every drip of extra power you can get

[celest rock]

On the one hand, the increased difficulty was pushing me to be mechanically better. Along with not being able to use the crit zealot to crutch on high difficulties

[hearty panther]

here's an easy framework

[celest rock]

On the other hand, i felt i was forced to run an anti gunner/shooter build in pubs to not die miserably

[drifting oak]

yeah that's pretty much how i felt

I couldn't carry teams with a WS build because i'd watch teams go 3 down to "a room full of shooters"

[hearty panther]

and this is what i was doing yesterday with a knife

• 6d

[drifting oak]

even if I instantly closed to melee and tied up half of them, the other half would just kill my team

and it'd just be like

"okay"

[celest rock]

Yeah. I couldn't rely on anyone to take out everything with a gun

Which sucks, because the shotty stealth vet is FUN AS HELL

[forest maple]

How are the perks? Anything to change?

[topaz lance]

So getting Manstopper or Flechette on the new shotgun means making a new char, level them until they can buy it and then play the lottery

[strange summit]

My apologies for the dumb question, as I am only playing very through leveling up, but can you still not shoot through your teammates? I thought I heard they changed that, and testing it in game has been inconclusive due to the chaos of a mission

[topaz lance]

looks good, try the psychanium for breakpoints

[lunar sedge]

You can instead just check Armoury exchange on every character. It's a chore on it's own, but there is a extension for chromium based browsers for atoma cloud website, where you can look at items in shops on all your characters

[forest maple]

or waiting for it to appear as a blue on the rotating store :/

[celest rock]

Wait WHAT

[midnight totem]

@topaz lance or you can wait for it to appear in brunt

[celest rock]

Can you just not craft it??

[lunar sedge]

Manstopper is tier 2 blessing only

[midnight totem]

No. Manstopper and Fletchette are tier 2 blessings

[lunar sedge]

How many times did you crafted tier 2 blessing on level 30 char?

In 600 hrs I only did it once

[midnight totem]

When you're level 30, all upgrades are automatically tier 3 and up

[celest rock]

That's garbage

[lunar sedge]

Believe me or not, but I somehow got random tier 2 while I was chore-crafting some weapon. It's ether stupidly low chance or something was bugged at the moment

Still I wouldn't ever count on that

[midnight totem]

The Emperor provides? Lmao

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a ridiculously low chance

[celest rock]

Looks like I'm stuck with full bore/speed load for a minute then

[lunar sedge]

Honestly that was a spit in the face from Omnissiah

If you are lazy with leveling new char than the method with browser armory extension seems to be alright

Tho in my case my game tend to crash with open browser

But it works on mobile, i think

[faint beacon]

I’m honestly willing to Level a Character up to 21 and sit on it

Realizing it’ll allow me to get T1-2 blessings I didn’t get in prep for Part 2 of the update

[fleet thicket]

guys

is this good?

[celest rock]

Looks like mine. Yes.

[fleet thicket]

this thing only got 2 stats

that it cares about right? XD

although

i dont know how low you stability can bew

[hollow warren]

I love how devastating this thing is at dispatching single targets, but horde clearing? awful. only if you spam heavy attacks

or am I just using it wrong?

[hearty panther]

nope thats correct

[hollow warren]

crazy good against crushers. rev up, charge a heavy attacks and the ticking bleed finished the job

after a headshot needs just 2 ticks. after a torso hit around 5 ticks

[short wigeon]

yes

[torn gorge]

more like spamming push attacks

for the swipe

[fleet thicket]

I mean

The heavies are vanguard

Of course

Those be the horde clear attacks

[hollow warren]

Well I don't really use this thing that often. My go-to are currently a power sword or a saul

[lunar sedge]

I'm actually playing in psykarium with loadout mod and was comparing different recons

Is it me, or does Mk II now is actually good?

[elder fiber]

you want slaughterer or headtaker + thrust for both horde clear and crusher 1tap

[bold ibex]

Hey fellow vets. I'm having some really big performance troubles lately. My peak FPS is still pretty solid (140-160) but in horde encounters I'm getting drops to.... single digits, 10, 20, 30, 40. A few months ago it ran just fine but now I'm struggling to even play. (4070ti, 32gb ram, 5800x3d).

Tried reducing worker threads and then increasing worker threads but... doesn't seem to help

[vast edge]

Fatshark optimization.

[bold ibex]

I'm still floored that the game, without any bells or whistles and on ultra performance DLSS maxes out a 4070ti. That's a native 720p, like damn.

[tall torrent]

u might want to disable ray tracing stuff in config file

[bold ibex]

The config file? In the menu isn't enough?

[tall torrent]

yea the config file has more stuff u can change

[tall torrent]

rt_checkerboard_reflections = false
rt_light_quality = false
rt_mixed_reflections = false
rt_particle_reflections_enabled = false
rt_reflections_enabled = false
rt_shadow_ray_multiplier = 0
rt_transparent_reflections_enabled = false
rtxgi_enabled = false
rtxgi_scale = 0.5

this is what u want, basically

try to find it in the user settings config file
win+R, enter %appdata%
find Fatshark folder, then Darktide

[bold ibex]

i'm going to be so angry if this fixes it

[elder spruce]

Is anyone elses vantage point (3) penace stuck?

[bold ibex]

I am so angry. That massively dropped the GPU load to below being maxed at 720p. I'm still getting stutters with usage capped at 38% cpu, so something is happening on that side of things. Thank you so much for your help; this gives me a direction to work in.

[tall torrent]

[echo parcel]

What's the easiest way to farm Manstopper for the double barrel?

[tall torrent]

Melk’s garage sale & brunt’s blue weapons
If u don’t want to level a new character for it

[echo parcel]

If I were to make a new character, what would be the ideal level to start rolling for it?

[tall torrent]

U unlock at like lv19 on psyker

[echo parcel]

I'll try that out

[bold ibex]

you still need to be underleveled to pull that one blessing, huh?

[tall torrent]

No u can just camp melk & brunt

I got it from melk

[pseudo fiber]

I gotta check this when I'm.back from work

Thank you numbers cat

[torn gorge]

first step would be to determine if your bottleneck is cpu or gpu tbh

since you mentioned hordes i would assume it may be cpu related though

[frank basin]

Well someone would said “shatter impact is useless, get blaze away”

[bold ibex]

it is. removing the RT settings lowered gpu usage from 90s to 60s... wait, have a dumb idea.

[tall torrent]

Longshot got nerfed

[faint beacon]

How exactly

[tall torrent]

they redefined "close range" from 8m to 12.5m

[faint beacon]

OH

[tall torrent]

meaning all the +close dmg stuff retains effect 4.5m further

[faint beacon]

I mean that’s still easy to work with just

[tall torrent]

also meaning that longshot now activates at 12.5m+

[faint beacon]

Yeah it’s a nerf

[tall torrent]

which is a really big difference from 8m+

[hallow gazelle]

Do yall think run n gun would be broken if it let you reload while sprinting too?

it's a fun perk especially on the double barrel but it sucks to lose your momentum to reload

[hollow ibex]

Oof

[tall torrent]

Also the reverse falloff guns got nerfed technically

[faint beacon]

Oh shit you’re right

[tall torrent]

ANOTHER BOLTER NERF let’s gooooo

[faint beacon]

Technically means the las weapons got hit with nerfs

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

I doubt it’s extremely severe

Probably mild inconvenience at most

[tall torrent]

They kinda didn’t

[pseudo fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

That explains a lot

[tall torrent]

Yea no they still start inverse falloff way before 12.5m

So it’s just longshot nerf

Don’t think longshot is worth running for breakpoints anymore

[civic knot]

BiS blessings and perks for breakpoints for the agni mace?

[tall torrent]

Which means focus target is more more valuable than ever for ranged weapons’ breakpoints

[faint beacon]

I doubt it’s extremely severe seeing it’s well

[tall torrent]

No it is

[faint beacon]

Reduced the closer they are not completely off

[tall torrent]

Because it now means that the moment flamers get into 12.5m u lose breakpoint

On guns that used it for breakpoint before

And that’s a massive difference

U actually need smth like 14m+ for breakpoint

[torn acorn]

what are you guys favorite earlier weapon options? I decided to make a veteran after taking a zealot to 15 (yes ı am a beginner) so ı was wondering about which weapons to look out for. I like the bullet firing guns more than the laser ones.

[tall torrent]

Columnus mk5 infantry autogun

[faint beacon]

I’ll run it through matches

When I’m home

See if it effects some of my builds at all

If it doesn’t I’ll still run it

[torn acorn]

will look out for it thanks

[tall torrent]

I think the biggest change this makes is that

Weapon specialist plasma is worse than before

Because now longshot is nowhere as good as focus target + redirect fire for breakpoint

[bold ibex]

the actual cause is so stupid it hurts.

[bold ibex]

my mouse. i use an 8k polling rate razer dongle which is usually only a problem for old games. Except Darktide. The super high polling rate causes everything to slog

[faint beacon]

Tbf my HHAs were hitting breakpoints even in close range

So it might not effect the one build I’m actually worried about lmao

[tall torrent]

u just lose breakpoint to flamers now unless u get maniac perk

[faint beacon]

Indirect nerf but a nerf nonetheless

[civic knot]

GOOD

[torn gorge]

[civic knot]

plasma is cracked

[tall torrent]

I think it's intentional

[torn gorge]

darktide during hordes is quite demanding on cpu

[faint beacon]

Ehhhhh imo seeing its really only effecting plasma as harshly

[tall torrent]

the only gun this longshot really impacts is plasma (only with weapon specialist)

[faint beacon]

I don’t mind it

[tall torrent]

yea it's mainly for plasma the way I understand it

[torn gorge]

some things that can help alleviate is to turn off ragdoll and turn down decals

[tall torrent]

Lmao wtf

[faint beacon]

I’ll sit back in my HHA chair and drink the tears of plasma mains once they realize their gun got nerfed with this build lmao

[tall torrent]

The main one with focus target is not nerfed

It’s just a bit more point scuffed rn because u can’t really grab elite dmg + focus target + atk speed without making big sacrifices

[oblique sigil]

Quick question, can't anyone else access the game? I have a console and when I want to enter the game the screen freezes on the game logo.

[faint beacon]

Series S?

[oblique sigil]

Yes

[faint beacon]

I’ve only seen one other person who wasn’t you say it also

Could be Microsoft issues or Darktide on Series S having issues

So you’re not alone at least

[oblique sigil]

The game asked me to update it again and well, since I updated it I can no longer enter

[faint beacon]

Huh probably if you could report it to their bug forums

Cause I mean there was another person experiencing the same issue

[bold ibex]

no shit. all stuttering is gone now.

[tall torrent]

Nice

[mint ember]

what are good blessings for revolver

and is the iron will passive worth it ?

[bold ibex]

rending on crit, and surgical or something to crit more

[mint ember]

okay thanks, I got that

[bold ibex]

i think the roulette thing where you avoid reloading also works with weapon swap builds? Or maybe I'm misrembering. +reload rate can also be worf.

[tall torrent]

Always take it

[tall torrent]

Surgical/crucian roulette/point blank + hand cannon

[toxic leaf]

is this good enough to try to make into a good rashad or is first target too low

ok i fished a little more

fuck

is this a good one or no?

poggers?

do i want to rep either of those perks

im assumung unarmored is good, maybe not melee damage

nice, maybe now i can experience the rashad goodness folks speak about

[torn gorge]

chop chop

[toxic leaf]

can someone point me a good weapon specialist tree

[uncut pebble]

I would spend 2 points to get onslaught(? the brittleness perk above weapon specialist) and your 3rd point on suppression immunity.

[tall torrent]

suppression immune does help revolver

[uncut pebble]

Was about to say...

[toxic leaf]

suppress would help revolver, but i would need deadshot

because im bad

[uncut pebble]

Who tf is hip firing the revolver?

[toxic leaf]

ABB, always be blasting

i was thinking columbus or las gun 2 btw, not revolver

[uncut pebble]

That thing is meant to pick out a target precisely through a crowd and drop them.

[toxic leaf]

so onslaught has value

[uncut pebble]

Yeah def get onslaught then.

[tall torrent]

yea prob 20% ogryn dmg and 10% rend

[toxic leaf]

i would like that 25 toughness node but i am voc so whatever

[torn gorge]

you just overpenetrate them without worrying too much, and especially as WS melee heavy playstyle you also have a crit blessing that is encouraged alongside hand cannon

[uncut pebble]

Oh I didn't realize it was already that far down on that tree to pick the rending and ogryn damage.

[bold ibex]

Question. Why do boltguns and boltors have similar raw damage but the boltor does way more damage? Like. Way, way more.

[umbral scaffold]

wait

did they undo the shooter patch?

damn

game felt nice

[bold ibex]

huh. wow.

literal first shotty

[umbral scaffold]

both barrels is yum af

shame manstopper a chore to fish for

[bold ibex]

I wish it had a bit less mobility and more other stats but i can't complain.

[bold ibex]

is it worth the trouble?

[umbral scaffold]

err

don't fish for it with crafting materials

wait until it shows in rotating shop on your other characters

[bold ibex]

Ohhhh that's a good idea

[umbral scaffold]

or if melk decides to throw you a bone

[tall torrent]

Yea

[umbral scaffold]

fml

smokes and suppression felt useful

[tame lodge]

Damn, back to being one of the few using smokes

Also noticed a lot of Krak players, that penance might be eating their sanity

Also going to ignore that it received some buff

[umbral scaffold]

krak got buffs?

[faint beacon]

Back to being shamed for using smokes or suppression

Lmao

[torn gorge]

getting kills with krak is easy so that penance doesnt really take long

[coral imp]

Krak's the best.

[quick zinc]

How do we fell about REcon lasguns build these days?

do you go crit or rending and brittleness

what recon lasgun is your favourite?

[umbral scaffold]

damn

anyone demo the close damage changes?

8m to 12.5m?

how does that fare?

[gentle frost]

question, does the shock maul passively shock/electrocute?

[stiff sparrow]

I was playing a "Han Solo" build before they added the heavy las pistol.

Nothing brought that up, just proud of my build and that I'm a space cowboy before it was cool.

And I even held my own in heresy differently.

[tall torrent]

TLDR
Everything in regards to +close dmg got buffed where they retain max effectiveness further out (CQKZ, anoint in blood, fire frenzy, dum dum, etc)

Deathspitter, fire frenzy and hit & run are easier to activate

Longshot got nerfed (activates at 12.5m+) which makes it far less reliable for pushing ranged weapons' breakpoints. This in particular makes non-focus target plasma suffer in terms of 1 shot breakpoints, especially vs flamers if u don't have maniac perk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1258114032691449956/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.07.03_-_13.34.49.02.mp4?ex=6686dd80&is=66858c00&hm=dad5dbe5202063808836063b32c7b6a22e1dd1ff82afe760e9b745e406c110cc&

[idle pecan]

is this good?

thinking of doing a build where i use the double barrel and a melee

with weapon specialist

[tall torrent]

yea it's a good change imo

recon players will still use recon anyways

technically it is buff for recon too cuz dum dum got buffed along the way

[toxic leaf]

recon also gets deathspitter and stuff, no?

[torn gorge]

in terms of use case?

recon is prob the worse of the 3

[tall torrent]

yea but recon is usually dum dum + HH

[toxic leaf]

@formal lake does rashad have specific combos or is it a left click weapon

[tall torrent]

light + PA for everything except ogryns, maulers & bosses

basically

special attack does not exist

[toxic leaf]

gotcha

and with bm, the lights should kill 4 enemies if the screen is lined up right (weak spot)

[tribal tangle]

anyone know the best blessings/perks for the new shotgun?

[toxic leaf]

?

[tall torrent]

flak/maniac/infested
manstopper + both barrels

[toxic leaf]

ok, i was getting good results but the diagonal chops often stopped me after 2 or 3 because they hit something not weak

[tribal tangle]

ok dank ty

[toxic leaf]

gotcha

[junior needle]

Deathspitter is not worth it

[toxic leaf]

was nice being able to slide into a tox bomber and instagib without going through a charging animation huhu

[junior needle]

on them

[toxic leaf]

yea im seeing why

pain in the ass to get the roll but once you do

[tall torrent]

rashad wants hard spec right side

u can't rly afford these on a sharpshooter tree

[toxic leaf]

yea but the nice thing is weapon specialist plays really nicely with revolver

[tall torrent]

well, not most anyways

[marble mantle]

Why axe?

Ah

Kind of a bummer that one of the more boring weapons is one of the strongest

[toxic leaf]

really, top boss dps?

[marble mantle]

It’s just an axe

[tall torrent]

rashad vs boss is extremely high

[toxic leaf]

wow, really?

just spamming heavies or...?

[tall torrent]

I think knife mk6 and power sword mk6 are a little faster

but rashad is not far behind

[marble mantle]

Me likey power sword

[junior needle]

They're ok, not quite iag tier and still unusually talent intensive for performance. Main benefit is potentially better ammo efficiency with enough crit stacking and shocktrooper but at a clear loss of dps/ttk. 2 and 7a are the better ones, 7a having cleave but slightly less ammo efficiency on paper.

6d is the clear loser of the bunch with the worst ammo efficiency by a notably margin and also receiving completely unnecessary nerfs to reload speed and handling.

Perks are flak and either maniac or crit chance. Blessings are headhunter and dumdum or possibly infernus on the 6d, not recommended on the slower models.

why do you say that

[marble mantle]

I like mk2

[hearty panther]

it fukken dakkaa

[toxic leaf]

6d with infernus 4 isnt the highest dps?

[somber axle]

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

Best blessings for all Recon variants are Headhunter and Dum Dum. Infernus is an ok sidegrade for specifically the Recon Mk VId. Less DPS up close, more DPS at long range. You want Flak/Maniac for perks unless you want Recon Mk VId Onslaught Crusher melt time. Then Carapace is an ok perk for the Recon Mk VId. Do not use Onslaught with the other two variants ever

Onslaught is ok on the Recon Mk VId because of the crazy high fire rate

[junior needle]

It shouldn't make much of a difference without onslaught, given their dps was supposedly normalized.

[somber axle]

Onslaught is awful on the Recon Mk VIIa because it has the slowest fire rate

[toxic leaf]

ive tried them all and i like recon 2 the most

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II is also not very good for Onslaught value

[junior needle]

It's usable but doesn't excel if you're primarily worried about the absolute fastest ttk

[marble mantle]

Same

[junior needle]

Which sneaky is

Onslaught is only a real factor on crushers/carapace

[somber axle]

My fav is the Recon Mk II now tbh

[tall torrent]

ogryn new shield skin fixed

[toxic leaf]

they still feel worse than iagv but they have much better ammo economy (...i think?)

[somber axle]

I use it with a Marksman's Focus + Chink in their Armour + Rending Strikes build for Crusher killing

The DPS/TTK is worse than the Recon Mk VId but I don't mind

I can still spray them down

[toxic leaf]

iagv might be the worst ammo economy of all good vet weapons

[junior needle]

I don't see how that could be the case on paper

[somber axle]

For all other targets the Recon Mk II performs better on DPS/TTK

plus it has substantially better ammo economy

[tall torrent]

nah

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[tall torrent]

all weakspot hits

[somber axle]

I think Azrael ignores Onslaught so he probably saves more points there?

[toxic leaf]

i alway feel really dry on iag, not so much with revolver, lasgun, or plasma

[uncut pebble]

Should affect melee. Says "weakspot hits," not "ranged weakspot hits."

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[toxic leaf]

maybe its because im trying to do stupid things with it lol

[tall torrent]

u might be shooting it a bit much compared to the other guns

[toxic leaf]

thats absolutely the case i think

[somber axle]

I would say that there's no guaranteed "best" Recon anymore. Each Recon does something better than the other two do

[junior needle]

They have the same adm's now, supposedly very similar dps, 6d just has worse ammo efficiency than the other 2 models and now handling/reload speed as well. Don't see why it would be any better at anything without onslaught.

[somber axle]

But the best general use Recons are the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa

if you like using your gun often those two have the sustainability through ammo economy to last through the match without going red ammo quick

Recon Mk VId will make you lean on melee more often

[junior needle]

7a is very close to the 2 in ammo efficiency but also has the benefit of cleave

[somber axle]

Yes

And the cleave makes it much stronger for both horde clear and mixed horde clear

[junior needle]

I would put it overall ahead because of that

[somber axle]

VIIa has less single target DPS/TTK, less ammo efficiency, but excels at horde/mixed horde

Yeah but you mainly play melee right? You said you mostly just use the gun for special/boss hunting I think

[junior needle]

Slightly less ammo efficiency, also you need to quantify how much the difference in dps is

Less ttk is also more dps

More ttk would mean less dps

[somber axle]

A Vet who uses their ranged weapon equally to their melee weapon or more often than their melee weapon is going to see the best use from the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa

[somber axle]

Pretty insignificant tbh. It's like maybe 100-300 DPS depending on target. Marginal imo

[junior needle]

Probably due to fire rate. High ROF just naturally feels better than low rof.

[somber axle]

So it really is just play which ever you like most

[junior needle]

You should include that in comments

[somber axle]

TTK doesn't change noticeably

[somber axle]

THE NEW ERA DISCLAIMER BEGINS

[junior needle]

Also that your build exacerbates that would normally be smaller differences in dps

[somber axle]

I am well trained for this moment

[somber axle]

Yeah though I'd say that ammo economy is a more noticeable difference between the Mk II and Mk VIIa

Mk VIIa will run dry faster

Mk II is weirdly amazing for constant use throughout a match

[junior needle]

On paper they're very similar

[idle pecan]

did i get fucked

[uncut pebble]

Vet players, how do we feel about ogryns that stand in the way, even by accident?

[somber axle]

Mk VIIa uses 2 ammo per shot and this is not offset by the slower fire rate when compared to the Mk II

[idle pecan]

not an issue really

[junior needle]

What's likely happening is that the 6d just goes through its mag slower and artificially paces your ammo usage

[uncut pebble]

I mean for being unable to see anything.

[somber axle]

Mk VId uses ammo the fastest but sustains very long volleys despite the rate of fire

the big magazine size is amazing

[uncut pebble]

I can't exactly shoot the bad guys accurately when I have a giant mountain made of ogryn standing in the middle of us.

[somber axle]

I spam ping things

Mostly to point out threats to oblivious team mates

[idle pecan]

are the perks and blessing good on that

[uncut pebble]

I chew through ammo like a mf when I'm using the mk6 and I feel like I'm hitting like a wet noodle.

[somber axle]

You'd be surprised how often you can save someone mindlessly grinding their head into a poxwalker brick wall by pinging the trapper sneaking up on them

[uncut pebble]

It's not a brick yet because reload speed isn't terrible on that.

[junior needle]

I did the math on it and your actual damage done will be very close

between 2 and 7a

2 just goes through it slower

[tall torrent]

u can save this for crafting update in 3 months

[somber axle]

I have bad news. My work schedule got changed. I'm off today instead, I'm working 6pm to 2am tomorrow. I have a quick call with the S.O. today but later this evening they'll be busy so I'll be down for some games later today

Today and tomorrow were the only days changed though

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vaccum-curious-jumps-leaps-surprised-gif-14558004

Sounds good!

I'm going to enjoy playing with the Recon Mk II some more

I do love using the Recon Mk VId still but the ammo economy is just so much worse compared to the Mk II that it makes me default to the Mk II for quickplay lobbies

[idle pecan]

what blessings are gonna be good on the hacker

[wanton dawn]

oy

we are doing stuff ?

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-team-hunger-force-carl-tonight-you-athf-adult-swim-gif-6379179257426532557

[wanton dawn]

Well, hotfix drop with less oppressive trash gunner so ig this is a good time

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-cat-bit-video-gif-14264780414888402835

[radiant chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-spin-spinning-right-round-gif-26206302

[idle pecan]

keeper?

[somber axle]

I've noticed Ogryns are more ammo hungry regardless of Twinstubber now

They're spamming whatever ranged weapon they're using and eating more ammo to compensate

I can't right now

Maybe in like... 3-4 hours?

I can't play right now unfortunately

Even if I wasn't busy atm

[hearty panther]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ArtisticBlitheMinkCoolCat-pCwamcVuRK-b8kGU

[somber axle]

idk why but the launcher does this really long verify every single time I start now

I wanted to pre-game it a bit by starting the launcher and getting it out of the way ahead of games later

but it takes forever

[idle pecan]

gas or trash

[last parcel]

isn’t that the verification process that just tells you to verify on steam if anything is wrong

[somber axle]

maybe I need to do a Steam verify file integrity thing

[somber axle]

no

it's just the launcher

[bleak cradle]

You could… just not verify

[junior needle]

You can just choose not to hit the button

[last parcel]

yeah the launcher verification never did anything for me besides make me reverify through steam

[somber axle]

Wait is it optional

[bleak cradle]

Ya

I have never verified

[somber axle]

I can hear circus music playing in my brain

[last parcel]

so what’s new

[somber axle]

it's a little louder this morning

[umbral scaffold]

damn

[somber axle]

but yeah it's kinda just everpresent

[umbral scaffold]

got untouchable in a damnation mission

feels good man

stealth vet is the brainlets crutch

[wanton dawn]

Are yah ghosting us @somber axle

[somber axle]

I cannot play right now sadly. I am taken for a few hours

But I am down for some games later this evening!

[wanton dawn]

Well in 2h I need to catch up in sleep time

[radiant chasm]

Just click no

[wanton dawn]

already have debt

[somber axle]

We can try Saturday?

I'm off then

Fingers crossed my workplace doesn't change schedules again but this convention is being weird

[umbral scaffold]

where did this even come from?

is this from modding?

[somber axle]

I do not use mods usually

[umbral scaffold]

or has this just started to show up

[somber axle]

Currently I have no mods active

[umbral scaffold]

wtf

i thought it was from me modding

is it like, game size optimization?

[somber axle]

It has always appeared every so often even prior to Secrets of the Machine God

but now it's like

[bleak cradle]

I think they started it popping up with most updates starting around the carnival stuff

[somber axle]

every every time I start Darktide the launcher immediately asks to verify

I always click yes and don't really have stability/performance issues

[junior needle]

Just hit no

[lucid hinge]

yeah hitting no does nothing so don't worry about it

happens with and without mods so it's someting on FS end

[somber axle]

I wonder why it's so frequent now

[lucid hinge]

the mysteries of the warp (game code)

[zenith helm]

Thoughts?

[topaz lance]

This thingy needs surgical and hadncannon, then it's an ok revolver

perks are very meh

[lucid hinge]

I mean you can put handcannon and surg on it but you will have to tank a bad perk and a mid perk

[zenith helm]

ok

[tall torrent]

Weakspot to elite, Trickshooter to hand cannon

[lucid hinge]

if it was 25% maniac it wouldn't be too bad but man 20% is

[tall torrent]

Point blank is fine

[zenith helm]

I dont have T4 hand cannon yet

once i do ill put it on

it's my first semi decent zarona, ive never used it before

[topaz lance]

This'll do I'm sure

[pearl granite]

they are reverting these buff, good news I guess

[astral valve]

I thought it made dealing with ranged enemies a lot more interesting

[zenith helm]

was a patch out?

[pearl granite]

yes

[zenith helm]

cause my mods stopped working

[pearl granite]

2gb

[zenith helm]

wtf

[pearl granite]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-42-1-4-2-patch-notes/96810

[somber axle]

I am very sad

I will miss the dangerous gunners and shooters

They made things like Smoke grenade a LOT more useful

People will just go back to ignoring shooters/gunners

Their hearts were in the right place trying to improve suppression mechanics

But the community is not at all interested in the gameplay of suppression

Given the choice between laying down suppressive fire to help other squadmates advance on shooters, or just becoming swiss cheese

the average player will bumrush a firing line, become cheese and complain the game is too hard instead

rest in piece shooters and gunners

I will miss you

I am happy the Dreg Rager buff is staying though

[quick zinc]

Sneaky would you recommend rending and brittleness talents for lasguns?

[tall torrent]

I think suppression should have been more -ranged enemy accuracy rather than scattering them

[somber axle]

Rending Strikes yes always across all variants, Brittleness only for the Recon Mk VId

[tall torrent]

Because -accuracy genuinely does matter

U can lock gunners into firing positions and they barely hit u

[somber axle]

The reduced accuracy should be like stage 1 of suppression, and stage 2 is when suppression forces them into cover

But like

[tall torrent]

No, just no force into cover

Pure accuracy loss is enough

[somber axle]

I think the force into cover thing is important because it means you can suppress a firing line and then rush them in melee

If you just reduce accuracy that doesn't help you when you get close

More shots will land the closer you get

I also really love the mental image of laying down suppressive fire to force enemies to duck their heads so you can flank

It's like

Actual tactics?

But people don't really coordinate like that

[tall torrent]

If it’s going to force them into cover it should make them unable to go back to shooting for a long time

But it doesn’t work like that

[somber axle]

People just want to shoot to kill and not do anything else

[somber axle]

They increased the time they stay in cover

[tall torrent]

Only stalkers

[somber axle]

I think there's definitely an argument to be made for increasing that time spent in cover though

If you increase the duration ranged enemies hide, it makes suppression more attractive

[tall torrent]

And reduce their scatter

[somber axle]

I think the scatter thing is just like a natural form of them seeking cover

[tall torrent]

Accuracy loss should be the main one

[somber axle]

If they're out in the open when suppressed they will either cower on their knees or rush for the nearest waist high barrier to hide behind

A lot of the time if they're not near any cover they will immediately fall into the "OH GOD I'M GOING TO DIE" animation on their knees

They'll do the knee animation thing when nearby cover is already taken

I do love the little subtle things the AI does though

They're a lot smarter than people think but it's hard to notice the AI when people are rushing through them so quickly and also ignoring a mechanic that shows off how smart they are

[tall torrent]

This part is bad

Because it not only prevents u from hitting headshot from front, it also lasts way too short to be anywhere near impactful

[somber axle]

I think it makes for a fun and realistic moment because the average person, deprived of cover, is probably also going to panic and naturally crouch down to decrease their profile to make it harder to hit

unless you mean gameplay wise?

but then that's like the target is now immobile and no longer attacking

it is arguably much easier to set up the kill

they are no longer firing back, no longer suppressing anyone, no longer damaging anyone and also no longer moving

so the only trouble is the lower profile

slightly smaller hitbox

depending on the angle you're firing from and when you begin firing during the animation you might send a stray shot into their arm (especially for Reapers)

and the reduced limb damage means timing your shot is more important there

[toxic leaf]

is there a worse feeling than losing in the extraction elevator because someone went down

[somber axle]

wait for the shot instead of just firing immediately

[toxic leaf]

and then bombers bombed the elevator

[somber axle]

or just bodyshot them to death

the average shooter is going to go down pretty easily either way

[toxic leaf]

ive never seen so many fucking specials in a histg map

[somber axle]

It almost feels like they increased special/elite spawn numbers and I love it

[toxic leaf]

we had the map won, it was extrasction

and then someone went down while anothe rwent to the elevator

[somber axle]

but tbh I think it's just placebo effect because new map has some very claustrophobic corridors and spawns both in front and behind the players

[toxic leaf]

and then bombers bombed the elevator

rip win

[somber axle]

so it makes normal spawn waves feel much more oppressive

and people are playing the new map a LOT

[tall torrent]

They stay in that state way too short and the animation has their arm block head from front, is what I’m saying

[somber axle]

I had a few quickplay matches a few days ago on older maps and it felt like nothing had changed for specials/elite spawns

[toxic leaf]

this was in the excise vault 13

there was a huge increase in mauler, crusher, and specialist spawning packs

[somber axle]

That's fair. Increasing the duration another second or a second and a half would go a long way to encouraging people to suppress more

[toxic leaf]

ive never seen 15 maulers spawn on the servitor colony part, but we had 15 maulers spawn

3 packs of 5 maulers

[somber axle]

Oh yeah! I've seen some big mauler packs spawn in too but I didn't notice the spawns being any bigger than normal at the time

The group I was in cleaned up pretty ok

Maybe they did increase spawns?

[toxic leaf]

it was definitely a huge increase, i havent played many histg maps outside of the new one since update

this was one of the few and it was a HUGE difference i felt

sucks to lose at the finish line, im still salty

cant extact with a downed operative

[somber axle]

Also on the suppression thing... I think like you could increase Dreg Shooter/Dreg Gunner suppression length another 1.5-2 seconds to play on them being untrained cultists with guns, then only increase Scab Shooter/Scab Gunner suppression length 0.5-1 second to show off their military training letting them react better when under fire

seems like a very short amount of time but every second adds up FAST

plus everyone and their mother takes Flak on their weapons so like

they're less of a threat usually anyway

[tiny creek]

Any recommendations on what to do with this thing?

[coral imp]

Smack things in the head with it

Usually works for me

[somber axle]

I know for blessings you want Skullcrusher and either High Voltage or Lightning Reflexes

and I think perks are Flak and Maniac

[livid fractal]

MG IV is the best kantrael las rn right

[lucid hinge]

flakiac is safest choice yea

[livid fractal]

actually which las is the one that fires slow but hits like a brick

out of the kantraels, not lucius

[lucid hinge]

the 12

[tall torrent]

12
Except it doesn’t really hit like a brick anymore

[somber axle]

Mg1a is best for breakpoints iirc but Mk IV has so much ammo that it barely cares when spamming shots

Even if the Mg1a is killing in less shots, the Mk IV can afford to spam more shots

[livid fractal]

ah so Ia hits harder?

[somber axle]

Mk IV also has instant sprint to fire I think?

[faint beacon]

12 is the weakest iirc

[somber axle]

Yeah Mg1a is the best balance of damage and speed

[tall torrent]

No, 12 hits harder
But it doesn’t hit hard enough to matter most of the time

[faint beacon]

Out of the other two in performance

[somber axle]

Mk XII hits hardest but it isn't a very significant change to Mg1a

and the fire rate on the Mg1a makes it the highest DPS variant

[livid fractal]

ah ok

[faint beacon]

Needs a wee bit of a buff

[livid fractal]

and i want headhunter ghost?

[tall torrent]

Which variant

[livid fractal]

Ia

[faint beacon]

You could probably go without ghost now seeing they dropped the shooter buff but again it does matter what variant

[tall torrent]

Headhunter + ghost

[livid fractal]

im kinda just going for
See group of shooters
Hit F
Pop heads

[faint beacon]

Or well reverted it

[tall torrent]

Ghost is the best option period

[faint beacon]

Gunners

That’s true

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/kotek-gif-15552561809760642576

[faint beacon]

Though I’m more of a meth head for Duck and Dive paired with Stripped Down on IAGs

I still can’t get over that clip of stalling 3 gunners spraying into me lmao

Like that should NOT happen

[somber axle]

With the revert to shooters/gunners I don't think Ghost is nearly as important

It's still strong

[faint beacon]

Gunners sneaky

[somber axle]

It's not like... mandatory if you want to play like a Stormtrooper and stand out in the open

[faint beacon]

That’s the biggest reason

[somber axle]

Avoiding Shotgunner blasts is still good

But the old ranged enemies are just like... not that dangerous usually

[faint beacon]

The 6 pack of shotgunners instantly downing you

[last parcel]

c-c-consuwumes what

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[faint beacon]

The nanosecond of hearing all of them in symphony pump their shotguns before the inevitable doom

[somber axle]

I have that video!

[faint beacon]

That shit is horrifying to hear lmao

Like 8 shotgunners all racking in unison

[tall torrent]

Still the best blessing for infantry Lasguns

[faint beacon]

Fucking red mist

Christ

[somber axle]

it's time for me to make a new funny build

[umbral scaffold]

ghost?

[last parcel]

truly excessive

[somber axle]

Efficiency Headhunter Shock Trooper Mk IV

[faint beacon]

Nurgle blesses his most rotted warriors

[marble mantle]

Can you do marked for death with exe stance?

[faint beacon]

Focus Target?

Iirc you can run it with it

I typically do Marksman Focus with Exe though

[marble mantle]

Nah 4 weak spots using secondary action without missing a shot

[shell mason]

Just wanted to know is power sword rampage blessing fixed (I watched a yt video saying it is)

[marble mantle]

During volley fire

[tall torrent]

Efficiency is just bad

It’s not even funny

[faint beacon]

Oh the penance

[marble mantle]

Yea

[faint beacon]

Yeah you can it’s been a long time

[marble mantle]

Oh okay neat

[faint beacon]

I think that’s the easiest way to do it

[marble mantle]

Tbf I’ve got a bunch of penances I still need to do

[faint beacon]

Like I’m trying to think of

Shotguns

Shotguns

[somber axle]

It's so bad it becomes funny

[faint beacon]

But idk why you would do it with Exe

[marble mantle]

Anyone got ideas for an exe stance build? Also, do recon lasguns even have a secondary fire?

[faint beacon]

Idk suppose it’s just for the penance

[tall torrent]

Ig ur just build differently

[faint beacon]

Flashlight

[last parcel]

secondary fire is aiming down sights

[marble mantle]

I mean it literally requires volley

[somber axle]

I'm built INCORRECTLY

[marble mantle]

Ohhh okay

[faint beacon]

Built goofy

[somber axle]

going maximum silly

[marble mantle]

I still need to make a talent tree setup for exe stance and infiltrate

Even tho shout is my main use

[faint beacon]

You come to appreciate Veteran more when you master the other two

Don’t get me wrong VOC is great

[marble mantle]

Oh definitely, I just need to actually make the builds for them

[faint beacon]

It’s very easy to master

[marble mantle]

I’m just bad at crunching numbers from scratch

[faint beacon]

Exe you typical want to make it like a sniper esc build

I know I’d suggest longshot as a start

But with the reworking of what’s considered close range

It technically got nerfed

[last parcel]

dont forget the crit chance perk for more ammomaxxing

[somber axle]

Yes perfect

[junior needle]

[marble mantle]

Is this a good choice for an exe stance build? Or is this for memes

[somber axle]

wait

[last parcel]

it’s a meme

[marble mantle]

Frowny face

[junior needle]

100% meme, please dont

[somber axle]

it needs squad highlight so everyone can see the shooters

[marble mantle]

I need inspiration so bad

[last parcel]

swap off relentless

[somber axle]

For what gun?

I can make you a tree

[marble mantle]

I’ve been using recon mk2 most often, but I’d love for it to be a more universal exe build

If that’s not feasible it’s cool

[somber axle]

Any preference on grenade? I can make a nice Exe Stance Recon Mk II tree and share it

[marble mantle]

Not particularly, I fw all of them

I appreciate the help rly

[somber axle]

Others are here to offer advice on what talents to swap

But this will put a LOT of juice into your Exe Stance and let you melt things really effectively

No Deadshot memes

It has grenade regen

[faint beacon]

What build is this aimed towards gun wise

[marble mantle]

Thanks!

[somber axle]

It has Confirmed Kill, Iron Will and Close Quarters Drill so you get both good toughness regen and good toughness damage reduction

[faint beacon]

How the fuck did what go to sugar

[somber axle]

They wanted an Exe Stance Recon Mk II

[faint beacon]

Yeah that would work

[somber axle]

Idk what their melee is so I grabbed desperado just in case

[marble mantle]

Oh mostly stun baton

Indignatus

[somber axle]

That's a finesse weapon so it should get some really good value from Desperado

[marble mantle]

Oh bet

[umbral scaffold]

so based

love finesse

[marble mantle]

It’s how I deal with witches fr

[faint beacon]

He doesn’t use Rashad GRRRRRRR growls and bares teeth

[somber axle]

The only weakness I think you'll have is to Crushers

[faint beacon]

No Saul’s are based as fuck

I think they’re super cool

[somber axle]

Shock Maul isn't good vs Crushers afaik

[faint beacon]

Cough

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-crime-love-crime-hate-crime-saul-gif-25746020

[hearty panther]

its fine

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II without rending isn't going to do much damage to Crushers either

[faint beacon]

SA + Heavy spam

[somber axle]

I could make a version with Krak to offset that

[faint beacon]

Personally I think it would be funny to do marksman focus with it

Why

Idk it seems funny

[marble mantle]

I mean Tbf I do need to do the marksman focus penance

[somber axle]

this misses out on Redirect Fire but it should still get all the fun stuff

[marble mantle]

Thanks!

[last parcel]

because double rending

[faint beacon]

Imo redirect is mandatory for me

[somber axle]

I mainly play my Recon Mk II with Marksman's Focus, Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes just so I can shoot Crusher faces off LOL

[somber axle]

Yeah but then the choice comes down to dropping Desperado, Demo Team, Marksman or Superiority Complex and that's a hard sell

[faint beacon]

I just like marksman focus ever since they buffed it

My least used is focus target

Usually WS or MF

[somber axle]

I'm usually Focus Target + Target Down for Deadshot memes I also love Marksman's Focus after the changes

I think my least played is Weapon Specialist

[faint beacon]

I like being mobile

[marble mantle]

I’m using focus target for my VOC build, probably gonna use mf for this one, and WS for my eventual infiltrate build probably

[faint beacon]

So WS caters to me

[faint beacon]

Okay so there’s a very funny Infiltrate build that uses a knife and a double barrel

[somber axle]

the extra dodge distance and dodge speed is nice but I like WS more for the attack speed tbh

[faint beacon]

Anything remotely close to you will die

[somber axle]

plus if I go knife and Weapon Specialist I will throw myself off maps

[marble mantle]

I already fuck with the DB

[faint beacon]

When I’m home I could toss you my build

It’s an extremely hyper aggressive Vet build

Found the clips actually

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9H5uD1PdEyVeTyAf/d1337HyIZAc2?invite=cr-MSxSeUksMTA3NDAxNTczLA

@marble mantle If this interests you at all I’ll toss you it here in an hour

[marble mantle]

Pls do

Oh yeah that looks fun as fuck

[faint beacon]

That’s for specials and it’s not even built correctly gun wise lmao

I have a clip that’s me soloing a horde

One second

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9q7IyVfgUvpR4_N7/d1337SO6V5Fg?invite=cr-MSxXSE4sMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Basically from the names though

On weapon specialist run always prepared no acception

One melee kill instantly puts a shell into your empty DB

You can see how stupid that can be

[last parcel]

the trapper just stopped to think about her life after eating that first shot lmao

[faint beacon]

Knock some sense into her with buckshot directly to the chest

[idle pecan]

what should i swap on this to be good,or is it bricked

[civic knot]

does rending allow non crit shots to do dmg?

[civic knot]

bricked 😔

[gilded rock]

Not necessarily bricked but not super optimal

[civic knot]

altho the blessigs for that shotgun are suprisingly not that important

its more important having flak + maniac on it

[idle pecan]

what are really the optimal blessings for it

[civic knot]

only really 1

[idle pecan]

flak + maniac for perks and what for blessings

speedloader?

[civic knot]

no

the one that makes u reload faster if u kill w a twoshot

[somber axle]

Yes

[gilded rock]

I think run n gun is great, both barrels is great, the one that stacks on close kills is neat

[civic knot]

didnt know that 👀 ty for info

[somber axle]

With enough rending you substantially improve DPS/TTK vs Carapace

[civic knot]

i know run n gun is good as well for this shottie

but does it actually give a breakpoint?

i think full bore would give u mauler 1 shot breakpoint

with 25% flak