veteran-class

[tall torrent]

Yea

[idle pecan]

is exe stance shoch trooper build worth it

or should i just stick to VOC

[slow spade]

Thankfully yes

[idle pecan]

was thinking i stack all the toughness talents and use exe stance over VoC

[slow spade]

Sadly the Yellow toughness from VoC's upgrade is too good to ignore

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[slow spade]

No defenses really hurts :c

[idle pecan]

what does yellow toughness actually do

ah ok

wow ok, that makes the other ones feel so weak

[uncut pebble]

You say that until you get a lasgun that can decapitate anything you point it at, short of carapace, in one shot.

I have a mk12(? the really slow one) that 1 taps everything but ogryns and maulers, and I can 2 shot reapers.

[tardy plaza]

Hadron looks me in the fucking eyes and hands me a shotgun with a tier two perk on it

I should kick her fucking ass

[idle pecan]

is this worth keeping

[hollow ibex]

Yeah

[tardy plaza]

yea

See what Hadron gives you

[idle pecan]

i forgor im poor

[lucid hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/gamble-gambling-flipnote-raxdflipnote-gamblecore-gif-728096753915804447

[idle pecan]

whats the best way to grind plasteel

[uncut pebble]

Quick play damnation and pray your teammates aren't ass and you don't get gloriana.

You can deal with one or the other, not both.

[lucid hinge]

Also if you haven't finished the event yet it gives you a lot of plasteel

[uncut pebble]

Yeah. Get a bolt pistol and a shock maul and go nuts.

Speaking of, I think shock mauls were made for vets.

They have excellent cc options and blessings and don't exactly compromise on movesets compared to other weapons.

The agni model is very similar to a dclaw in terms of moveset.

And your cc combo is really easy to get into with that one.

Push attack > heavy > light > heavy > light and so on.

If for whatever reason you get into the strikedown combo you can just push attack again and reset.

Or, if you need to swap to the strikedown combo instead, you can push attack > x2 light > heavy > x2 light >heavy, rinse and repeat.

[scarlet path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VwTnIoLzX4

Every Vet main rn ^

[faint beacon]

BZZZZT aw dangit

[tall torrent]

Quick play regular damnation, memorize all loot spawn & heretic idol locations

[runic sundial]

Hey guys I’ve been playing a while and I seem to have the whole build set up wrong for some who ideally likes staying at ranged what’s the best way to set my Talent Points

[tall torrent]

They’re a little better for zealot imo as you have access to +stagger talents that send u over stagger breakpoints for breaking rager combo

But they’re fine for vet

[uncut pebble]

For ranged? I'd do smokes, then survivalist, then executioners stance, and don't bother with a keystone. Marksman's focus is cool and all but it is rather hard to maintain.

But that depends heavily on what gun you're using.

[somber axle]

Congrats! Happy to help 😄

[runic sundial]

Nice cheers

[uncut pebble]

Just remember that smokes work even in melee. They reduce the attack speed of anything that's in them.

Also grab the node that replenishes grenades.

[terse idol]

It is not hard to maintain

The buff takes a while to drop off and it only takes a few shots to gain max stacks

[uncut pebble]

With all the stupid movements the ai does? Yeah, it's a bit difficult.

[terse idol]

It's also a way you can keep survivable

When you take the talent to gain toughness back while on max stacks

[uncut pebble]

Like why does a gunner pace back and forth for 3 seconds doing full 180s before he sets up to shoot at me?

[terse idol]

Because he's figuring out where to move pathfinding is hard

But typically you got

Aloooot of targets to hit

[uncut pebble]

Nah the ai in this game is just goofy.

And yeah I will admit you have a lot of targets to hit.

[terse idol]

I'd definetly try to take every talent that gives you toughness back on elite kill + the talent on the top that gives you 4% more toughness

When you gain toughness

[uncut pebble]

Idk, I just treat it more like I'm a walking sentry gun than anything.

[terse idol]

Then, shredder grenades for hordes

[uncut pebble]

Set up and don't move unless I have to dodge.

[terse idol]

Exe, and MF taking care to take the talents in MF that give you toughness back on weakpoint kill

[terse idol]

Well yeah that's where it excels

This is why I take MF

[uncut pebble]

I recommended smokes for counter shooting over shredders.

[terse idol]

So I can literally face tank regular shooter hordes

[terse idol]

Hmmm

I'm not convinced yet, I'd even take Krak

[uncut pebble]

With smokes you can also pick up agile engagement.

[terse idol]

Depending on your primary for a long range shooter build

[uncut pebble]

With minimal point investment.

[terse idol]

You need things to deal with crushers

[terse idol]

Agile and Exe is kinda counter synergy imo

[uncut pebble]

Well, yeah, that isn't very much of a problem

[terse idol]

Bulwarks are your bane as a long range veg without pgun

[uncut pebble]

Melee kill > pop exe, now you have 50% more damage instead of 25%.

[terse idol]

It won't be changing breakpoints on the targets you'll be shooting

[uncut pebble]

Eh...

[terse idol]

At least as far as I know

Most if not all scab gunners

[uncut pebble]

I feel like it can sub in for exe stance if you'd like to take voc instead.

[terse idol]

Already go down with Longshot +flak on an ilas

[uncut pebble]

The glory of having a versatile kit!

[terse idol]

'Ate VOC

Need more specialized kits

Like I mean VOC just works with anything

Which is sad

[somber axle]

new map is so painful for quickplay

quickplay pugs keep falling over 😩

I have time for like one match before work and in the first 3 minutes all three of my squadmates are dead

please

https://tenor.com/view/help-me-emotional-meme-whastapp-gif-20742704

[tall torrent]

After 3 runs on that map people should just understand that going into the tunnels in the start >>>> staying on the catwalk

[uncut pebble]

Tunnels mean shooters can't rip you a new one.

[tall torrent]

Better choke point defense vs horde too, u only rly get fked if a BoN spawns

But out on the catwalk ur gonna get turbo penetrated by shotgunner groups anyway

[hidden torrent]

Vacuum Capsule

[somber axle]

I wish but everyone always throws themselves to their deaths

[real osprey]

I heard they made the boltgun muchless satisfying to use now

is this true

[tall torrent]

They buffed it this update

[real osprey]

awesome
guess I'll get one then...

[last parcel]

be mindful of your footing

[lucid hinge]

The new map made me realize people don't know how to do mid mission objectives

The sync event is so bad for pubs

[torn gorge]

i literally just had a run where a rando auric survivor zealot with hundreds of levels charge in, get downed in the scaffolding area and then ragequit in a pool of fire

[somber axle]

I went tunnels and was fine, the team went catwalk and all died before I could reach any of them LOL

so you're right

[drifting oak]

another promising sawed off run

ruined by just 2 snipers that the team couldn't deal with

[somber axle]

LMFAO

[drifting oak]

catwalk is fine if you shoot every barrel going forward

but most people won't

[somber axle]

The new level is definitely catching a lot of people off guard with how easy it is to be out of position

[drifting oak]

and if you try you'll ledge THEM lmao

[somber axle]

This is the true strat

That entire catwalk is covered in explosives

Good for dealing with the odd boss spawn there (ESPECIALLY THE WEIRD BURGLES)

but most times they're really just going to throw someone over the edge

[drifting oak]

yeah it really is a clear check

[somber axle]

also lately I've been testing the waters on 2 HP curios, 1 Stam curio to hit the HP breakpoint for eating snipers/bursters

[drifting oak]

of who pays attention to barrel and who doesn't

[somber axle]

I also put corruption resistance on all my curios

it was so, so good to not care when a quickplay squad grabbed 2 grimoires

just chilling with almost no corruption

[drifting oak]

I do 1 wound with 3x sniper resistance

corruption res is nice with grims but ocmpletely dead otherwise and it's hard to predict when your teams are

[somber axle]

I normally do triple stam curios to feed my crippling Deadshot addiction but

Teams not pushing poxbursters finally got me to swap LOL

the extra survivability is nice

[drifting oak]

1 wound goes a long way in making bursters not instantly put you into "one more chance"

and 3x sniper resistance removes so much "okay, game, thanks" moments

[somber axle]

all the HP and corruption resistance lets me walk tox clouds with less fear too

[tall torrent]

This is not necessary

U only need 200+ health and one 20% sniper resist in terms of building for defense breakpoints

[somber axle]

I think there's funny math that lets you tank a sniper shot with 2 sniper resist + Iron Will + Close Quarters Drill and some toughness without eating any HP damage

if you've got above a certain level of toughness

[tall torrent]

It needs 3x 20% sniper resist and full coherency for close order drill

It’s usually not worth going for

[thick needle]

Iirc the resistances only apply multiplicatively, so you get really diminishing return for three 20%s

[brisk umbra]

The las weapons are still nerfed where the crit chain is only of 1 shot?

[tall torrent]

Diminishing return is kind of a weird way to put it, breakpoints are still breakpoints

[drifting oak]

every scrap matters when you're already wounded

[somber axle]

Is that with double toughness curios or triple toughness curios?

[tall torrent]

No

[drifting oak]

3x sniper resistances go so far in terms of "huh, I'm alive still"

[somber axle]

I know there was some funky math there about how high you'd need toughness to be for double sniper resist to pass

[tall torrent]

200+ toughness, 3x 20% sniper resist

[faint beacon]

Iron will

[tall torrent]

Then get more health

[drifting oak]

and it's usually in those goofy moments when you're already taking damage or at partial toughness

sniper resistance is the strongest sub-stat in terms of smoothing over bullshit feel-bad moments (this is a subjective opinion)

airshots, collateral shots, or just plain old "game said no"

[tall torrent]

If u feel that taking chip dmg diminishes the value of getting the 2 hit sniper breakpoint, get more health

[drifting oak]

you advocate health on substat? it's not even close last ime I checked

compared to sniper res

[somber axle]

double burster survival is the funny moment I'm using double HP curios and corruption resistance to mititgate tbh

I don't think double sniper shots happen much

but bursters clipping into each other

is a constant horror

[faint beacon]

HISG

[tall torrent]

Do u know what the sniper breakpoints even are

[drifting oak]

and yeah it's not about being able to double sniper it's just about "am wounded, this sniper decides to cheat or collat or airshot you"

[faint beacon]

Would like to have a word with you

[somber axle]

Sniper Gauntlet is my fav I need more of it

[drifting oak]

I know that with 3x resistance I can eat a sniper round and walk it off even when heavily wounded, I don't understand why there's a distinct breakpoint for this

[faint beacon]

Actually it should be HISnG

Not that cause it’ll get confused with HISTG

[drifting oak]

like the point is "make sniper hurt less" lmao I don't get this fetishizatino of a "sniper breakpoint"

[tall torrent]

Ok then just say that u don’t know

[somber axle]

High Song

The song of the sniper

[terse idol]

Well I mean

[somber axle]

their little spawn sound is music to my ears

[terse idol]

We know there's diminishing returns on multiple curio resistances

3x sniper res just ain't it chief

[uncut pebble]

Does anyone ever get instantly shot the moment they peek a sniper or is that just me?

[tall torrent]

The snipe breakpoint matters because sniper shot dmg is 122.5 on damnation, with full spillover and 10x toughness dmg

[drifting oak]

diminishing returns is not a spooky buzzword y'all need to be terrified of

especially when it's only on 20% x3

[tall torrent]

With a single 20% sniper resist, this is cut down to 98 dmg

[drifting oak]

that is not that much

[trim hemlock]

wawa

What do people typically get on this? Headhunter + Dumdum?

[faint beacon]

You probably walk in when they’re already planning to fire at someone and snap to you

They do that

[somber axle]

Yes

[last parcel]

yes

[terse idol]

It is when we're talking total amount of damage in a shot vs mitigation to be faiiiir

[tall torrent]

Which means as long as u have >196 health u can take 2 sniper shots and not go down

[drifting oak]

yeah that's getting collateraled

[trim hemlock]

fantastic

[somber axle]

Deathspitter -> Headhunter
Sprint -> Flak

[uncut pebble]

Thats... really stupid. I get shot like that all the time.

[tall torrent]

And, if you’re wounded (1 wound left in 2 wounds), you don’t die from getting shot by sniper when u get revived

[drifting oak]

yeah but the alternative is that the sound plays for every player regardless of target

which would be even more confusing

it's a flawed system but it exists, and it's why snipers are some of the most terrifying run-enders

[tall torrent]

If u feel that this is not relevant enough because you’re taking chip dmg, get more health so u have more health to work with when you’re on 1 wound

[drifting oak]

any time your team is forced into close quarters with each other and then snipers appear

[real osprey]

are these two keystone modifiers worth allocating into?
Ifeel I don't really use shoving enough to warrant needing the extra stamina control

[somber axle]

My fav was on that library map with the winding stairwells that turn at a 90 degree angle to reach the lower level and getting INSTANTLY SHOT the second I walked forward because the sniper had been training their unseen beam at someone in front of me and then suddenly snapped their aim to me since I was slightly closer and INSTANTLY fired

[drifting oak]

not really, no

[somber axle]

all because they had a small window through the stair rails to hit

[drifting oak]

you should be capable of managing your stamina enough to not need the instant +stamina

[last parcel]

bro got flick shotted

[drifting oak]

and the reduction is even less valuable, 3 seconds is just so short a duration

[tall torrent]

There is a 2nd sniper breakpoint that matters when you go for full toughness tank

[faint beacon]

Yeah they do that it’s why I tend to slide around corners when I see any beams

[tall torrent]

This is where u need 3x 20% sniper resist

[real osprey]

gotcha gotcha
thankyou for the tips

[drifting oak]

if it was like -90% stamina cost reduction for 8 seconds, it might be worth considering SOMETIMES

and that's saying a lot

[tall torrent]

However this one is much more conditional because it needs you to be at full coherency for it to work

(Without gold toughness)

[drifting oak]

in general you should only be needing big chunky amounts of stamina for "this is the only way I can revive"... and, uh, deadshot memes

[tall torrent]

And it’s just not worth going for

[terse idol]

I mean for WS

[tall torrent]

U need 200+ toughness & full coherency as a conditional for close order drill

[somber axle]

Give Snipers a buff tbh. They need additional cleave on their attacks. If I didn't dodge, and the person behind me didn't either, let us both eat shit for our mistakes

[terse idol]

It's not had to have more stamina to sprint arouuund or block

It's weird

WS just synergies better with that node than deadshot

[tall torrent]

It’s much better to just get more health to avoid getting chipped down below the sniper shot’s dmg

[topaz lance]

I feel like this node is useful if you use deadshot
Also, the second node on that branch could be merged with it. same with the ranged ones honestly

[terse idol]

The differing opinions

[tall torrent]

Unless ur going for this “tank sniper shot with toughness alone” breakpoint, u do not need 3x sniper resist @drifting oak

[faint beacon]

Can we please have the situational spawn be a thing for them in general but they just get buffed to make up for having a sound queue now

[drifting oak]

i disagree because having yellow toughness is common enough, to make it worth having more res over more hp

it's not about "I need to absorb the shot fully"

it helps that it just removes dmage at all

[faint beacon]

I want to move around the map in fear knowing a sniper spawned

[drifting oak]

and i seriosuly don't understand this fetishization over a breakpoint

[tall torrent]

If u have gold toughness, u can tank sniper shot regardless of sniper resist

[drifting oak]

even if it's only a sliver?

[tall torrent]

Yep

As long as u have gold toughness u can’t take health dmg from any 1 dmg instance

[drifting oak]

could've sworn you get pierced through explicitly by sniper, but i'd have to check

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat hear me out

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-charlie-day-crazy-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-qanon-gif-23738584

[somber axle]

Triple HP curios, triple Sniper resist. Because I am a Cat and can't help but chase the laser pointer each time I see it

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-lazer-pointer-cute-gif-7775618

[tall torrent]

Because going from first breakpoint (tank 2 sniper shots & not die) to 2nd breakpoint (tank whole sniper shot with toughness alone) has a huge investment discrepancy and if you’re not going for the 2nd breakpoint there’s no reason to build 3x sniper resist

You get more value out of health because u get chipped down to low health less, and you have enough health to survive 2 Poxburster explosions and not die

[tame lodge]

I also like playing chicken with the Snipers

[tall torrent]

That’s just ur meme build

[somber axle]

Then you could eat 4 sniper shots without going down!

49 damage per shot then, yeah?

[tall torrent]

No

[somber axle]

Did I do the math wrong

60% of 122.5 is 73.5

122.5 - 73.5 = 49

[tall torrent]

It’s not additive

[faint beacon]

Diminishing returns

[somber axle]

Aw nuts

[tall torrent]

It’s 122.5 x0.8 x0.8 x0.8 = 62.72

[faint beacon]

It’s unfortunate

[somber axle]

AHA SO I CAN EAT THREE

[tall torrent]

Diminishing returns is a bad way of putting it

Because u still cut dmg by a pretty big amount with every resistance u slap onto ur build

[slow spade]

"Gunner curios? Send the ragers"

[terse idol]

So it is it even worth it to take like 3 gunner res, how much damage are you actually blocking

[tall torrent]

Like, yea the 3rd x0.8 doesn’t cut as much as the first but u still cut a lot

[faint beacon]

They have resistance curios?

[last parcel]

give ragers dual smgs

[faint beacon]

Drop eet

[last parcel]

gun axe

[tall torrent]

x0.8^3 is x0.512, so u reduce gunners’ dmg to u by ~49%

[slow spade]

"Bomber resist? Tox bombers only"

[terse idol]

Dredge shotgunner equivalent Dredge Breacher

[faint beacon]

Bognadoff twins giving the calls on what to spawn

[somber axle]

bombersonly.com

[tall torrent]

Stacking multiplicatively is not inherently a bad thing

[faint beacon]

Zey have bomber resist? Tox gas them.

[tall torrent]

3x 15% sprint efficiency allows u to sprint 63% longer than without

[tall torrent]

2x 15% sprint efficiency only allows u to sprint 38.4% longer

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-yanggangfitness-running-run-gif-18670692

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-they-mean-random-numbers-gif-10654449

[tall torrent]

On a side note tho

If u haven’t

Play a 3x 15% sprint efficiency build

You’re not gonna look back

[somber axle]

Play a 3x 15% sprint efficiency build with triple stam curios and +2 stam on your knife

your team will never see you again

[tall torrent]

That’s not necessary

[somber axle]

I'm RPing as a Loner Zealot through Infiltrate

[last parcel]

i should do that with the sprint talent and skirmisher

[willow siren]

@somber axle the game has been kind to my vet

[somber axle]

Nice! Get rid of the toughness regen speed though that's only good for Ogryns

Toughness regen speed only affects coherency toughness regen

[willow siren]

never

[somber axle]

it's only helping if you're hugging a friend

[slow spade]

I wish it affected all regen...

[last parcel]

it's your funeral

[tall torrent]

Toughness regen on curio perk is massively overrated

[slow spade]

And it turns off as enemies get closer lol

[tall torrent]

Veteran literally regens 12% of his total toughness every second in a HiSTG horde

[somber axle]

I know it has some good synergy with Ogryns for some reason but I have no idea what the specifics are

[tall torrent]

Just from CK’s passive regen

On top of u killing things

[last parcel]

something about making up for ranged chip damage when you can't immediately heavy something

[willow siren]

nearly all ogryn builds use the talent to make your radius bigger so it helps with ranged chip

anyone taking soften them has it

[somber axle]

Yeah that makes sense

I guess there's also Charismatic that does the same thing

but idk any Vet who takes that

it's questionable even on Born Leader Medic builds

[willow siren]

the big thing with ogryn is bc of where it is

not taking it is a handicap

[somber axle]

We're Vets: charismatic isn't in our dictionary. If we had D&D stats our charisma stat would be into the negative modifiers

[last parcel]

negative rizz

[willow siren]

i'll toss the toughness regen for stamina regen

[torn gorge]

that would imply not running a 3x dockets curios

[tall torrent]

Why would that conflict

[somber axle]

3x experience curios to mess with people running True Level

[tall torrent]

2x +20~21% health, 1x +16~17% toughness
1x +20% sniper resist
3x +10% dockets
3x +15% sprint efficiency

U still got 2 slots to do whatever u want

@torn gorge

[faint beacon]

Cough born leader

Cough

[tall torrent]

Can run 1x +12% stam regen rate and 1x 20% Gunner resist if u want a more balanced approach

[tall torrent]

Did u try the +75% suppression build

[faint beacon]

At work

Can’t till I’m home

[somber axle]

We lead by pointing guns at each other's heads and telling each other to do the job or die LOL

Intimidation stat is at least good

[faint beacon]

I was gonna get a GIAG and use D&D and stripped down

[somber axle]

persuasion probably not

[faint beacon]

And possibly then try that out

[wanton dawn]

@somber axle Azreal wanna now which recon si best

Do not tell himI tell you that

[last parcel]

XIz

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II for single target DPS and ammo efficiency, Recon Mk VIIa for better horde clear/mixed horde clear. I'd probably lean toward Recon Mk VIIa for Azrael tbh

I think he'd enjoy it more

[faint beacon]

I desperately want the the Darktide Down sfx just to fuck with people

[wanton dawn]

Thanks, pretty sure he is reading that right now

[somber axle]

the damage numbers are close enough that it's a pretty marginal difference between the Mk II and Mk VIIa for DPS across most targets

and I think the cleave from the Mk VIIa is more fun to play with for most

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/meglepetés-gif-21774382

[somber axle]

the performance from the cleave is just too useful in a lot of scenarios

[thorn plinth]

run 3x these to mess with people using true level and inspection mods
+1 wounds

• 10% experience
• 10% Ordo Dockets
• 15% corruption resistance / +20% chance at curio as mission reward
  see how long it take someone to call you out

[somber axle]

I would caution against the Recon Mk VId because she's so thirsty after Secrets of the Machine God dropped and her job is mainly anti-Crusher and wide area suppression. The other variants do better DPS

Recon Mk VId is only better at Crusher melting but that's it really LOL

Mk II and Mk VIIa will do better DPS/TTK vs all other specials/elites

[torn gorge]

those are locked on flamer/bomber damage ofc

[tall torrent]

That’s just tragic
Time to get new curios

[torn gorge]

how are you gonna kickbox otherwise?

[marble mantle]

What curios should I go for, for vet? Toughness, right?

[thorn plinth]

2x toughness and 1 health is my go to

[faint beacon]

Hard to say tbh seeing Vet is very build reliant with curios though I mean that’s every class, tend to use toughness more though cause of the more toughness related talents

[tall torrent]

Get over 200 health and a 20% sniper resist perk

Everything else is up to u

Toughness scales well with veteran overall

[marble mantle]

Okay shword, thanks both!

[odd sparrow]

i much prefer 3x toughness. Feels like im invincible as long as my team is pulling some of their weight

altho that has gotten worse with shooters become much stronger

[drifting oak]

I always say 1 wound if you trust your team
0 wounds if you don't

[faint beacon]

Iron will with toughness

[terse idol]

1 wounds if you're an average sane player

0 wounds if you're insane and trust you know the mechanics good enough

[odd sparrow]

1 wound is training wheel imo

[terse idol]

Eh

I won't bust anyone's balls for not running 1 wound it's actually sane

[odd sparrow]

but its fair enough to have untill you feel confident running damnation

[faint beacon]

It’s one extra down

Anymore

It’s either you’re insane

[thorn plinth]

i like having at least 1 health, so many things right now hit your health either directly or super fast. (before toughness breaks)

[faint beacon]

Or martyr zealot

[last parcel]

suicide bomber plasma

[faint beacon]

True

[odd sparrow]

having +2 wounds is madness though

[terse idol]

Unless you're running meme zealot wound build yah

[faint beacon]

That’s the only way it’ll make sense to me

[tall torrent]

1 wound is only worth for newer players

[odd sparrow]

i get terrified when im running an auric and i see someone with 4 wounds or god forbid 5

[thorn plinth]

on zealot i have it from that one talent node, i dont find myself super lacking in talent options anyway, but not on curios tho

[last parcel]

6 wound ogryn

[marble mantle]

I usually run 1 wound because I am not insane

[tall torrent]

The fact that it reduces healing stim’s effect on top of reducing potential health/toughness is reason enough not to take it

[faint beacon]

I’ve seen way too many recently

[drifting oak]

eh the way I see it: these are all unfair things that exist and can instantly remove 1 owund from you, or in the case of bursters literally insta-kill you with no wounded state:

• bursters
• snipers
• nets intended for someone else than you
• reapers that for some reason decide to not use their melee punch and just gun you down from point blank range
• getting rezzed in a bomber/flamer by a stupid teammate

[faint beacon]

Idk what’s the catch with it

[drifting oak]

most people who run 2 wounds shouldn't be.

(that is taking 0 wound curios)

[marble mantle]

Right but you only get 1 down without medicae, which sometimes is a pretty big hazard. Esp with randoms

[terse idol]

Oh yeah

[torn gorge]

error 2014 my beloved

[terse idol]

They should really adjust that

[marble mantle]

They be shooting pox bursters on damnation

[tall torrent]

Which is why it’s worth for newer players

[terse idol]

That is a player issue not an individual issue to be fair

[odd sparrow]

most of those you can just dodge tho and thats what really good players do

[faint beacon]

Why I run 0 wound I’m used to it now

[drifting oak]

If you think you aren't good enough to go withou the wound curio, you probably need the wound curio
If you think you're good enough to go without the wound curio, you probably **still **need the wound curio and you have a massively inflated opinion of yourself

[tall torrent]

If ur more experienced u’ll just know not to get close to teammates that Poxbursters are headed to

[drifting oak]

"just don't get hit" as a reason to not take a wound curio is circular reasoning

[marble mantle]

The problem is when they head for me dawg 😭😭

[tall torrent]

Push + VoC, very safe

[drifting oak]

by that logic you might as well take 9 stamina

[faint beacon]

When you’re experienced you simply ping them and let the situation play out

[marble mantle]

I’m pretty good at dodging and blocking I’m just not god yk

[faint beacon]

They either push it

[tall torrent]

Even it blows up in ur face ur not gonna take health dmg

[faint beacon]

Or eat a corruption

[marble mantle]

Yeah I gotta get better at using voc for em

[tall torrent]

And if u have enough health, u can take 2 Poxburster explosions without going down

[terse idol]

9 stamina actually like gives you more options TO BE FAIR

Like the difference between wound curios is like the whole passive vs reactive stuff

[odd sparrow]

players better than me do actually ttake +3 stam for the exact reason that they just dont get hit

[faint beacon]

Still can’t get over the fact I had my teammates push 2 detonating bursters into me and it instantly killed Me as an assail psyker

[tall torrent]

If ur building defense on curios, you should build for defense that meaningfully matters

[thorn plinth]

while i understand your second comment, and plenty of people do fall into that category, its not as simple.
you can easily dodge snipers, nets, hounds. (to my knowledge never died to a reaper tho)
but indeed, shit happens, mainly burster being shot unintentionally (the same as barrels) or directly by someone who should go down a difficulty tier. which also applies to those ressing in fire

[terse idol]

Wound curios imply you'll be going down in the first place

9 stamina gives you more shoves

[tall torrent]

They’re pretty based for doing that to an assail psyker to be fair

[faint beacon]

Blocks if you got block efficiency

[terse idol]

Yee

And in theory more time to sprint

[drifting oak]

everyone always says "well it's easy to dodge X"

[faint beacon]

I was trying to get a penance done

[drifting oak]

as if X isn't the thing that usually causes them to die, when it does happen

[thorn plinth]

because it is...

[terse idol]

😌

I like to base the loadout on more ideal circumstances
Even saying just building more HP or more Toughness is gonna make you last longer when and if you so get netted or sniped

Rather than guaranteeing you'll go down

[drifting oak]

That's like... "99% of the time I eat at this restaurant it's fine and 1% of the time it gives me food poisoning, so it's fine"
Okay so you should worry about the 1% of the time you get food poisoning
"nah i'll just not get food poisoning"

[thorn plinth]

i have been jumped by nets and hounds many, many times. again, shit happens. but i honestly cannot remember a time i got hit by a sniper after i reached level 30.. long before the class rework.

[drifting oak]

it's literally just people thinking they're hot shit and better than they are

[terse idol]

I just think more HP or toughness makes you survive longer in circumstances where having +1 wound actually made you go down faster

[drifting oak]

that they're magically exempt from the thing that kills the majority of runs when it happens

[somber axle]

me irl still eating at a restaurant my sister got food poisoning from in secret because I love the food

[kind hull]

How in Tertium am I supposed to do that ?

[terse idol]

Because when you take the extra wound you give up, potential resources like, health or toughness (or stamina)

[faint beacon]

Revolver

[tall torrent]

All u need is 200+ health and 20% sniper resist, everything else is up to preference

U don’t need 3x 20% sniper resist

[marble mantle]

Not like, in one use lol

[drifting oak]

you get 100% cirt chance on a ranged shot when WS procs on that side

Shoot an enemy in the head with it

ez

[tall torrent]

Play knife

[marble mantle]

Also when we getting a sniper

[drifting oak]

oh yeah, the melee counts too right

[thorn plinth]

get kills with gun, then get kills with melee, rinse - repeat.

[marble mantle]

Vet deserves sniper

[tall torrent]

Soon

[drifting oak]

as long as you are meleeing heads period and using WS perks you should just... make progress to it

[terse idol]

Long las maybe

[quick burrow]

we have a sniper its called the CIAG

[marble mantle]

™️

[tall torrent]

Yea it’ll be a longlas

[quick burrow]

or the agrippa shotgun alternate fire

[terse idol]

[tall torrent]

They name dropped it in their short story

[drifting oak]

I just want something that hits as hard as a helbore but the shot dleay is moved afterward, not as a chargeup

[tall torrent]

It’s just a matter of time

[drifting oak]

I hate "release to shoot" weapons

[lofty ruin]

hey speaking of the columnus

[marble mantle]

Dude I will kiss the emperor on the mouth if we get a sniper

Js

[lofty ruin]

do any of you watch xstreamdray? whats he doing for his autoguns? looks like he retains a center dot

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-9829547

[lofty ruin]

even while ads

[tall torrent]

Modded game

[marble mantle]

Is it heresy to love your god

[lofty ruin]

ye i guess he has the crosshair_fix thing

[faint beacon]

I know in the files forever ago they dug up a Stub Rifle and Long Las

[lofty ruin]

and maybe zoomed out his weapon or sthing

[faint beacon]

So laser and ballistic sniper options

[terse idol]

If I can't kiss my homie on the mouth, well... The imperium was never for me in the first place

[marble mantle]

Would be incredibly rad

[last parcel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/253

[faint beacon]

Heresy

[marble mantle]

Right like I already been mackin on my zealot homies

[lofty ruin]

thanks i've just cut some mods because lag but ill look at this one

[tall torrent]

Now this is certified heresy

[marble mantle]

Can’t mack on the witches though thems is for killin

[somber axle]

Infiltrate + Low Profile Long Las time please

[terse idol]

The fuck is a Mack

[marble mantle]

Smoochin

[terse idol]

Am I getting old

[somber axle]

I will become the Simo Häyhä of Atoma

[terse idol]

Oh

[faint beacon]

you want to be the scab sniper SOOOOOOOOO bad don’t you

[terse idol]

😌

As the kids say uhhh, Dap me up homie

[marble mantle]

Nah we simply better

[somber axle]

FNV First Recon time: the last thing they never see

[last parcel]

garbled radio noises

[somber axle]

[tall torrent]

Scab sniper does 112.5 dmg to toughness with his kick btw

[marble mantle]

😐

[last parcel]

time to shoot great khans

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

The dark gods strongest leg day enjoyer

[terse idol]

https://tenor.com/view/something-terrible-happened-here-lorraine-warren-vera-farmiga-the-conjouring-the-devil-made-me-do-it-gif-21324487

[marble mantle]

Give me a sniper and let the special be a kick

[last parcel]

nothing happened here

[marble mantle]

I’m giving them what they deserve

[last parcel]

move along citizen

[somber axle]

I miss him

I need to do another FNV run

[last parcel]

you need to aim better

[faint beacon]

Fucking mortal kombat X-ray cam of my neck getting obliterated the moment the sniper decides to kick me instead of running away

[somber axle]

time for a training montage

[drifting oak]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/ibL37bR56kpURB-km/d1337iYhGcSV

[tall torrent]

Which means in some cases, a scab sniper can 1 shot Psyker’s entire toughness bar in 1 kick

[faint beacon]

DARK GODS STRONGEST LEG DAY ENJOYER

My god that’s disgusting

[somber axle]

what about an entire firing line of Shotgunners

[marble mantle]

witches deserve the knock back into reality

[faint beacon]

Had that happen

A bit more often then I’d like

Instant death

[drifting oak]

this shit is why you bring a wound curio lmao

[tall torrent]

6 shotgunners moment

[austere mica]

“OH FUCK A WIZARD”

[lucid hinge]

playing psyker or og with new shooters is insane

https://tenor.com/view/no-scared-kid-cry-shoot-gif-16949739

[tall torrent]

Nah

[somber axle]

I want to play my Psyker after the change but like I have no time to game

working 3pm to 11pm today, going back to work 10am tomorrow

just enough time to sleep

[tall torrent]

The problem here is that he’s low on toughness on a psyker

[somber axle]

no time for game

😩

[marble mantle]

They made a joke outta you

[drifting oak]

my brother in christ he was at 100%

[somber axle]

Oh that's not me LOL I just steal things I find from other people

[tall torrent]

Yea his toughness got shredder in 0.5s then instant down

[marble mantle]

That being said tho I’ve been getting super dense SGer spawns

[drifting oak]

gee it's almost like there's shit in this game that instadowns you even if you think you're hot shit huh :^)

[tall torrent]

He shouldn’t be in that position in the first place

[drifting oak]

ah we've returned to the "nah, I'd simply never get hit" argument

carry on

[tall torrent]

No?

[lucid hinge]

lol

[tall torrent]

I’m saying, psyker using Deimos trying to push 1v6 shotgunner in an uphill fight is far riskier than surge staff hitting them at range

[somber axle]

hold on I need to show my fav one

[marble mantle]

No sorry I can’t do that

[tall torrent]

It’s just way riskier for psyker to fight that kind of situation compared to everybody else

[drifting oak]

because turning around and suddenly seeing 6 shotguns coming around a corner or through a door literally never happens in this game, right

[marble mantle]

Honestly psykers prob shouldn’t be in the front anyway

[tall torrent]

He wasn’t “suddenly turning around”

[marble mantle]

It go Ogryn zealot Psyker vet

[drifting oak]

The point is shotgun stacks happen

[tall torrent]

Nah

[faint beacon]

Never recorded it but when I was more fresh to the game I loaded into immediately getting hit with a crusher overhead

[drifting oak]

you can clutch your pearls and say "I would simply not be in that position, ever" yeah okay just don't play the game

[tall torrent]

Veteran frontline is very strong

[drifting oak]

shit happens

[tall torrent]

That’s not what I said

[marble mantle]

True. Vet could really be anywhere in there though

Zealot and oggy def around the front though, Psyker should almost always be mid-back

[faint beacon]

New Ogryn update looks great guys keep up the good work devs 👍

[drifting oak]

look if you don't understand that hte point is "this is the amount of damage you can take in a single instant" and not "look at every decision that led up to this situation, wow, what an idiot, he shouldn't have been there"
i don't know how to help you

you probably need a wound curio the way you think

just like the rest of us

[somber axle]

Fixed Ogryn charge: It can now charge through all obstacles including the map

[tall torrent]

There’s a big difference between getting ambushed by shotgunners around corners, and walking into shotgunners with melee as a Psyker

[drifting oak]

the point

you

[lucid hinge]

I think the chaos gods smited you

what the fuck lmao

[tall torrent]

Ur just missing my point lol it’s fine

[lucid hinge]

man that's an old ass clip

[austere mica]

I find I don’t need wounds 90% if the time and would rather plan for the 90% instead of the 10%

I do have a martyrdom build though

[marble mantle]

Honestly? There needs to be environment damage

That would fuck so hard

[austere mica]

Medicae isn’t real

[drifting oak]

the 90% isn't the shit that kills you is the thing

[austere mica]

Oh I still down on those builds

But I don’t die unless I get left there

[drifting oak]

okay, and now you can:

[austere mica]

It’s rare I go down due to dying at 1 wound

[drifting oak]

have an extra life
on your second life you have a bonus 16% hp too

[drifting oak]

do you literally never take corruption damage

[austere mica]

And I think an extra 17% toughness is more helpful

[austere mica]

I avoid it best I can

[tall torrent]

What’s the avg dmg/match u take actually

[drifting oak]

bursters exist in this game, not even the dreaded double burster spawn

[austere mica]

Yeah

They do

[sleek garden]

yayuh

[austere mica]

I am fairly good with dealing with them, but shit happens

[drifting oak]

fuck if I know or care
I just know:
"did I down"
"did I die"
"did we wipe"

averages don't mean shit

this isn't a spreadsheets game

[tall torrent]

I mean if u have scoreboard mod u can check what kind of dmg you normally take

[austere mica]

Averages are a pretty good reference for your performance though

[tall torrent]

No, they do, they tell u how well u do on avg so you know what really fucked u over when things actually go south

[drifting oak]

taking damage and carrying the group regardless >>>> pearlclutching your HP, ditching the team, then fucking dying by yourself without healing once during the math

[lucid hinge]

I miss rocket dogs

[drifting oak]

I can throw a grenade that clutches the group, go down a moment later, save the run

[tall torrent]

Idk what kind of argument this is supposed to be

[marble mantle]

I must go, my people need me

[tall torrent]

U 100% can minimize dmg taken and still carry

[drifting oak]

This isn't vermintide where damage sticks and even in vermintide a lot of skill is based around intentionally taking hits to charge ults faster to be ready to save situations/actively save situations

[junior needle]

pearlclutching

[marble mantle]

Basically a rock right there

[junior needle]

[drifting oak]

I take tons of damage while killing problem specials, I would rather knowingly take a melee hit or two while still at decent toughness than dodge, lose my angle, lose my shot, suddenly two people are down and the whole run is collapsing

[somber axle]

Imagine being stuck between two Ogryns. No escape, only death

[tall torrent]

If ur not taking much dmg taken across an entire match on avg and u still carry in 90%+ of the matches u play idk why you’d need a wound

[somber axle]

That Moebian soldier briefly regretted his life decisions

[marble mantle]

If they went in for a big Ogryn smooch that lil dude would be squashed like a mosquito

[lucid hinge]

Please don't tunnel vision with recons

[drifting oak]

because if i have a wound I can make the odd mistake and dust myself off without instantly exploding to the next burster?

[marble mantle]

Vaporized

[drifting oak]

I really don't understand why this si so hard for people to understand

extra lives are good

[torn gorge]

the argument is

[tall torrent]

What’s the curio set-up u have actually

[torn gorge]

do you need the extra wound inbetween medistations?

[marble mantle]

Maybe

[torn gorge]

if you do, then keep playing with it

nobody is gonna force you to do otherwise

[drifting oak]

very often, especially with bursters, and it means I can choke on my drink once and still have one wound in the tank for an actual tight spot

or get rezzed into a burster once

[marble mantle]

I think the argument here is literally just do I play it safe with the wound or not, I’m really surprised it’s lasted this long

[drifting oak]

or get rezzed in a fire once

[quick burrow]

brunt u bastard

[drifting oak]

and still have an extra wound to take risks with

[drifting oak]

bolt pistol with a stock
that is extremely cursed

[torn gorge]

most people can take calculated risks and relies more on movements to allocate that 1 wound curio into something else

[marble mantle]

Ain’t no way bro put a knife and a stock on that portable car bomb

[drifting oak]

oh god I didn't even see the bayonet

[torn gorge]

well maybe not most

[somber axle]

Have you seen lore accurate Elysian recons

[lucid hinge]

I thought that was an autopistol until I read its name

[torn gorge]

but a certain amount of people

[austere mica]

That pistol also has the highest mag scope

Enjoy

Also a flashlight

Tacticool ass shit

[drifting oak]

flashlight is fine but dear lord the scope too

i'm cackling

[austere mica]

Hate to bring it back up but I just feel like I get more value out of a pretty decent chunk of extra toughness as opposed to planning around edge cases

I also played a shit ton of vermintide so 2 downs is enough

[celest rock]

Is this a bad time to say i'd love a bullpup bolter?

[wanton dawn]

Somebody been arguing for extra wound ?

[civic knot]

if they do they should be banned

[austere mica]

Yes

[wanton dawn]

This is not 2023 anymore

[somber axle]

I'm going to give you the California compliant Boltgun

[celest rock]

I have a hard time deciding on curios to begin with between stam, health and toughness

[celest rock]

Don't you fucking dare put that bad voodoo on me

[austere mica]

I run 2 tough 1 ho normally

Hp

[marble mantle]

You’re losing your shoulder

[last parcel]

eat shit

[hot canopy]

Tech heresy

[wanton dawn]

2 health allows you to reach 200 hp which is nice.

[austere mica]

Full 3 Stam for my deadshot build though

[wanton dawn]

1 stam is always nice

[tall torrent]

Get >200 health and a 20% sniper resist perk

Everything else is up to u

[celest rock]

Same. But my stealth/weapon spec vet runs stam/health/tough

[faint beacon]

Reminding me I should make cannon las rifles for my Steel Legion outfit

Aka stockless

[somber axle]

As the prophecy foretold

[austere mica]

What’s the reason for 200?

[marble mantle]

Is there a reason why this specifically?

[austere mica]

Or is it just snipers

[celest rock]

That's so cursed

[wanton dawn]

poxbuster mostly

[odd sparrow]

idk i feel like with VoC im very rarely eating shit to snipers

[marble mantle]

Ahhh okay

[odd sparrow]

90% of the time its just emptying my toughness bar

[tall torrent]

Because 20% sniper resist cuts sniper dmg to 98, and burster does 100 dmg total

So at 200+ health u can take 2 sniper/burster hits and not go down, and when you have 1 wound remaining u don’t die from these instantly

[faint beacon]

Golden Toughness does that

[tall torrent]

Everything else is up to preference

[odd sparrow]

even without

[austere mica]

Neat

Will try to remember

[marble mantle]

Oh okay thanks for the explanation

So is it 21%x2 health for 200%?

[tall torrent]

U need minimum of 34% extra health from curio/talent

[marble mantle]

Oh okay that’s not so bad

[tall torrent]

Since veteran base is 150 health

[austere mica]

Is hp% multiplicative?

[tall torrent]

Additive

[austere mica]

Cool

Easier and harder

[tall torrent]

Getting 2x 21% health is x1.42 = 213 health

[austere mica]

I think I’m at 198 on my vet

Very close

Probably just need a well rolled 21%

[tall torrent]

If u have 2x health curios you can meet this very easily and safe perk slots for other things

It’s only hard to match 200+ health when u include smth like +3 stam

[austere mica]

I‘lol probably do it with a 21% and 3x 5%

Godamnit autowrong

[somber axle]

Couldn't you also do it with 1 HP curio and 3x HP perks

21 + 5 + 5 + 5 = 36

Just barely over though

[hearty panther]

can do it with 2 perks

got one in the tree

[somber axle]

OH TRUE

I keep forgetting about that one

[hearty panther]

the only reason my hp isnt just 150

[tall torrent]

This works

However I’m a 3x docket and stam regen rate enjoyer so

[austere mica]

Yeah I run stamina regen too

Time to fix my mods so the game doesn't crash the second I open a shop

[tall torrent]

I suggest disabling some mods u don’t rely on as much for now

The only mods I have on rn are stim pickup icon, show dodge bar and collectible finder I think

[scenic vine]

Yo could someone link me a quick guide on melee veteran?

[austere mica]

I think I know what the problem is but I'll do that if it doesn't work

[faint beacon]

Like as a build or just melee on vet in general

[last parcel]

have you updated extended weapon customization and its plugins

[scenic vine]

build preferably

[austere mica]

Yeah

i think its an issue with randomization being reset to on after the updates

[faint beacon]

I know straight off the bat you’ll be focusing the right side of the tree more, most likely weapon specialist keystone

There’s not many melee exclusive builds for vet out there but they exist

[tall torrent]

There’s a DT mod loader update btw

On nexus

[marble mantle]

I think the more you play vet and the more ranged weps you try as vet the more you’ll realize it doesn’t make a lot of sense to do melee only vet

I wanted to do melee only vet but then I tried the mk2 recon lasgun and now I use both of my weps pretty equally

I came from zealot and haven’t looked back other than to wish vet had the second evis

[dark flower]

im the strongest class in the game

[faint beacon]

It’s why Weapon Specialist encourages you very much to avoid melee only do a hybrid playstyle of constantly swapping between gun and melee

[tawny badger]

"oh boy I can't wait to play the first part of clandestium gloriana"
the chaos spawn about to send my ass off the side by existing near me:

[flint lake]

😝

[drifting oak]

yeah, WS vet does so much damage

you expend ammo to do so, to be fair

but good lord, the damage from zarona quickswaps is unbelievable

[faint beacon]

3 melee tokens get you 100% crit rest is just speed

It’s hard to break out of that mindset of getting 10

[fading grove]

MK2 las pistol weapon specialist with a fuck ton of grenades has been my favorite build. Use the standard shovel as melee shots so good

[hearty panther]

just the base keystone is ridiculously stacked for WepSpec

then there's the rest

[marble mantle]

Wish I could load in cuz I gotta spend a while to actually like work on my talent tree

Since I finished most of my specific penances for abilities

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Target Down has amazing synergy with Deadshot builds for maintaining consistent uptime on the buff throughout a firefight. As long as you keep pinging targets and putting them down you'll always have a bit of stamina to feed the Deadshot crit train. Focus Target + Redirect Fire is also fantastic for helping consistently meet breakpoints on some weapons too

I also really love the squad toughness support aspect of Target Down

It's like what Born Leader Vets wished their talent could do

[marble mantle]

I really like focus target tbh

I just wish that I could also run WS 😔

[somber axle]

5% toughness back per stack and at minimum 2 stacks per elite/special ends up adding up over a firefight to keep squad toughness healthier

The 5% stamina per stack is just wonderful to have too

I bet people don't understand why their stamina suddenly gets little bursts of regen when a Focus Target + Target Down Vet is around but I bet they appreciate the extra Stam for shoves, blocks and push attacks

[marble mantle]

Yeah def

[faint beacon]

Remember how people thought it was shit for the longest time

[somber axle]

Marksman's Focus is the only odd one out but it's fun for the odd Mk XII/Mg1a/Mk IV Infantry Lasgun build or even the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa since those are all guns that are easy to remain accurate with while on the move

[marble mantle]

I think MF was the one ppl thought was shit

[somber axle]

I love running Rending Strikes + Chink in their Armour as a fun boost to Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa builds

Ends up letting you melt Crushers ok if you can maintain 10 stacks

And the buffs to Marksman's Focus duration have definitely helped with that

Non-Deadshot dependent

Deadshot without Focus Target + Target Down just isn't sustainable imo

Especially not on Recons

[tawny badger]

covering fire my beloved

[somber axle]

You need the Stam restore from Target Down or you might as well only think of Deadshot as helping opening burst crit chance

[marble mantle]

Covering fire fucks

I love being a support vet

[tawny badger]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-mgr-mgr-raiden-handshake-hug-gif-25122328

[marble mantle]

EVEN IF MY ALLIES DIE I CAN SAY I DID MY PART

[tawny badger]

this baby right here can proc covering fire so many times a minute

[somber axle]

I'm going to make a meme Elysian medic build later

Born Leader, Out for Blood, Tunnel Vision, Covering Fire, Charismatic

Just to see if it helps my teams stop dying on the catwalks

[marble mantle]

Don’t forget (I forget what it’s called but something like) no one gets left behind

Fucks insanely hard

[tall torrent]

Covering fire not very good

[willow siren]

this sounds fun

[marble mantle]

Why

Toughness and damage?

[tall torrent]

It doesn’t work for urself

[marble mantle]

😭 idc about that it’s for the homies

Not the witches though

[tall torrent]

And the buffs for teammates just don’t matter that much

[marble mantle]

Why though

Like I’m not trynna be argumentative I’m just curious

You’ve played this class more than me

[tall torrent]

If it doesn’t change their dmg breakpoints, they don’t kill things faster

[radiant chasm]

team buffs only matter if you are in a premade really

[tall torrent]

And to proc covering fire u have to shoot at smth near what ur teammates are fighting

[marble mantle]

The toughness isn’t worth anything?

[radiant chasm]

or if they are consistent/strong enough to boost your personal performance

[somber axle]

I just want to try to keep my team alive 😩

Voice of Command is my greatest sin

But I want to keep my team alive so bad

I will protect them

[radiant chasm]

most melee classes have increases to toughness in melee as is, so yuo might still be losing them toughness overall via stealing kills

[somber axle]

Elysian Medic enters quickplay after work

[tall torrent]

Not rly because neither zealot or Ogryn have toughness problems in melee, and melee veteran just VoC toughness more than half the time

[marble mantle]

Ah fair

[radiant chasm]

if yuo want to support your melee, shoot the things out of their range

[tall torrent]

It’s like
Who are u giving this toughness to

Cuz a normal psyker player is not diving backline with melee

[marble mantle]

What would y’all suggest is the best support build for vet? Obv shouty and preferably focus target

[somber axle]

It's more to help keep toughness healthier for other classes because shooters both non-elite and elite are tearing up quickplay squads consistently now and the extra toughness will help them sustain through a firefight

[marble mantle]

I’m a big support guy

[somber axle]

Like some of the Vets here have no trouble

But quickplay squads are being shredded

[radiant chasm]

you should just kill the shooters

[tall torrent]

Then it’s just better to play born leader with gloryhunter plasma

[somber axle]

I want to try to support them

[radiant chasm]

like you should not be shooting melee enemies from your melee units

yee born leader is way better

[somber axle]

The build is already using that and doubling up on every bit of squad support toughness regen I can feasibly reach

[somber axle]

I already do on my normal builds and sometimes it isn't enough to stop squads from falling LOL

[tall torrent]

And I think it’s a hard argument for covering fire instead of grenade tinkerer in every situation

[somber axle]

I had to solo clutch this morning because my three squadmates fell over on the catwalks

[tall torrent]

Would u rather blast almost 20k dmg off a boss with kraks or give ur teammates 12 toughness like 3 times in a horde fight

[marble mantle]

Anyone got any tips or suggestions for the framework?

[somber axle]

Tinkerer is lovely but Kraks were buffed so you don't need anything to 1HKO Bulwarks anymore and it's just more boss damage

[radiant chasm]

and covering fire isn't helpful for that lol

grenade tinkerer is just better

[tall torrent]

Play plasma with gloryhunter, and take born leader

Yep that’s it

[marble mantle]

That’s kinda lame

[radiant chasm]

voc, born leader and even target down is just better

[tall torrent]

U take tinkerer for krak because u want to delete boss

[somber axle]

What if you want to play support but not be forced into one weapon?

[tall torrent]

Take born leader + target down in tag keystone, done

[marble mantle]

Idk maybe I’ll just make it myself then I don’t necessarily need to be like meta

[marble mantle]

Oh true

[somber axle]

I already do this. But the Medic meme is doubling down even harder on squad support

[tall torrent]

Yea that’s a meme build, that’s not a really particularly good build

[somber axle]

I could swap out Marksman's Focus + Tunnel Vision to go Focus Target + Target Down instead though

[somber axle]

It is for Medic meme time

[tall torrent]

And I’ll always say this

[somber axle]

I will restore team toughness very well

[tall torrent]

The best kind of support u can give ur team is to give urself the ability to fight any & everything the game can throw at u and be fine without teammates helping/being in coherency

[somber axle]

Plus the ammo economy on Shock Trooper + Recon Mk II is so amazing that I feel confident I can sustain lasfire through firefights now

[tall torrent]

If u can’t achieve this, u shouldn’t be thinking about “support build”

[somber axle]

Solo clutching is a lonely life though

[gilded wraith]

4 vets running born leader just to force the servers to do the math!

[somber axle]

Better to walk the finish line with the whole squad

[umbral scaffold]

I love running plasma just to wipe the floor with ragers and crushers and maulers that usually put problem in my teamates

[tall torrent]

It’s not for solo clutching

[somber axle]

It will be when the squad wipes

And auric quickplay has so many people falling over on the new map

[tall torrent]

If you can actually fight everything in the game by urself alone, you’re far less likely to get ur team wiped

Because at that point you’re just killing things faster than they can spawn

[somber axle]

Yeah I try that, but I still see people in quickplay teams die. Auric HiStG is always going to output specials/elites at a degree you can't possibly be everywhere at once. I am trying Medic Meme time to help offset the pressure my squad feels during firefights. Also because I think it would be fun to do something that isn't a hard-core min max damage build for once

[torn gorge]

just play voc aura and all the nades with frags

[tall torrent]

This is very funny because the best support veteran build via born leader entirely revolves around “killing everything as fast as possible”

[torn gorge]

easiest way to keep whole team alive

or just play bubble trauma

[somber axle]

Assume you are killing specials and elites faster than they spawn from the front. Now there are specials/elites spawning in behind. You turn to help engage that flank. Now the front has specials/elites instead

You cannot feasibly do both front and rear coverage faster than they spawn

[tall torrent]

And if ur not playing gloryhunter plasma the toughness feed from born leader just is not very worth

[somber axle]

I did it with Laspistol Mk II Reassuringly Accurate and the toughness ended up being fun for squad sustain

A lot of squads I ran the Laspistol Medic build with ran healthy on toughness/HP

I wish to see Elysian Medic Meme next

[faint beacon]

The only acception to that is Crit Laspistol with FT that gives toughness and obviously born leader VOC

Crit kills = Toughness etc etc

[tall torrent]

U could take reassuringly accurate off and they’d prob still be fine on toughness/health

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Target Down and Voice of Command alone are already so powerful for squad support

[tall torrent]

Reassuringly accurate is not very good

[somber axle]

It is for Deadshot memes. Target Down synergizes very well

If you can't force the crits then you probably will not see much value

But if you can juggle Deadshot memes then it will provide far more benefit

[tall torrent]

Even when u can reasonably force the crits it’s not very good

[somber axle]

And juggling is extra easy with Target Down

[faint beacon]

It’s not about the insane bursts of toughness but the constant up keep of it

[tall torrent]

Because you’re giving up either dum dum or ghost

[somber axle]

Yes exactly!

And it isn't reliant on Elite kills

[tall torrent]

Ghost just prevents u from taking dmg from ranged enemies altogether

And dum dum is flat out more dmg

[somber axle]

You can kill any target and it provides the toughness

Gloryhunter is Elite exclusive

[faint beacon]

I say this cause a good 200+ hours of Veteran WAS THIS BUILD

[somber axle]

It's basically like

[faint beacon]

I’ve grown out of it now but it still find it fun

[somber axle]

Gloryhunter + Plasma is the WoW Holy Paladin of healers. Big chunks infrequently. Laspistol Reassuringly Accurate is the Resto Druid of healers. Lots of ticking heals constantly throughout a fight

They both do the same thing differently

[tall torrent]

The only case where I think ghost + dum dum is maybe not the golden standard for laspistol is gunpsyker

Where I’d go dum dum + Infernus

[somber axle]

I don't do Ghost because I'm a creature remember? So if you place no value on Ghost, the slot opens for other fun like Infernus or Reassuringly Accurate

[tall torrent]

Yea but ghost is insane value

[somber axle]

If you like Ghost then you don't have room for anything else

Dum Dum is too good to give up

[tall torrent]

Not much else compete with ghost in terms of value besides dum dum

[somber axle]

I agree. I think it makes firefights boring though

I chase what playstyle I find most fun

I will chase my memes

[tall torrent]

U should try dum dum + Infernus on gunpsyker one day

Play crit aura -> ranged atk immunity on crit

[somber axle]

Very eager to get back into Medic meme time

[willow siren]

what even will you run with this

[somber axle]

I did want to play Psyker the next time schedules align and I can do more matches with Gale

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II, Chainsword Mk XIIIg

[tall torrent]

True aim + baseline 32.5% crit chance + scrier’s gaze

[somber axle]

I love Recons so much

[tall torrent]

This goes crazy hard

[faint beacon]

It’s what I run and you’d be surprised how much toughness upkeep I have

[somber axle]

It sounds very fun but as ever I am trapped at work LOL

It is Registration Day for this convention

[faint beacon]

I’ll have to show you it sometime when we play

[tall torrent]

U play gunpsyker with that exact combo?

[faint beacon]

Oh no my uh

Fuck

Toughness Born Leader VOC Vet

[tall torrent]

Cuz on veteran/zealot I still think ghost + dum dum is the best possible combination

Only on psyker I could see ghost not being a necessity

[faint beacon]

I think I run that still on my Assail psyker

Mainly cause well

[tall torrent]

Laspistol base 15%
Psyker base 7.5%
5% node
5% aura
Scrier’s gaze 20%

Total 52.5% Crit chance whenever u pop scrier’s gaze

Plus true aim giving u guaranteed ranged crit every 5 weakspot hits

[faint beacon]

Shield

[tall torrent]

52.5% baseline crit chance is insane for laspistol

[faint beacon]

Yeah no I do run Dum Dum Infern

With my assail psyker

Cause I have shield for defense

[tall torrent]

I’d do brain burst & SG with laspistol on that

[faint beacon]

Assail is just generating toughness from hordes if specials depending on armor or not get close it’s either Dueling sword or Laspistol

@somber axle I realize didn’t I run my Toughness veteran our first run or was it something else

[willow siren]

i have been eenjoying thje VId and the IV

[somber axle]

Our first run went so good. No worries!

It felt so smooth

[uncut pebble]

I went down like 6 times...

[somber axle]

Nice! When you get the chance I would also recommend trying out the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa. All of the Recons are really fun!

And now I can play cheerleader for my fav class of guns and not look like a total clown for doing so LOL

[marble mantle]

What should I change to this so I can hit target down? Also any other tips would also be great

[tall torrent]

What weapons are u playing with this

[faint beacon]

You stick near me and get free toughness!

It’s that easy!

[marble mantle]

Kinda wanted it to be universal so I can switch between ones

But rn mk2 recon and indignatus shock maul

[somber axle]

I would drop Longshot for Target Down

[marble mantle]

Also have a very good power sword and bistol but I want to try and make it universal

[uncut pebble]

I would drop the nodes above infiltrate to get both target down and the 10% rending node.

[tall torrent]

May I suggest dropping some support talents

[somber axle]

OH WAIT

[uncut pebble]

Could also drop longshot, yeah.

[marble mantle]

Sure as long as I’m not dropping leave no one behind

[somber axle]

DROP GET BACK IN THE FIGHT

[marble mantle]

That one’s a big hand for me

[somber axle]

That one isn't worth keeping imo

[tall torrent]

Sure

[somber axle]

The Stam restore on toughness break is eh

[marble mantle]

What should I drop then?

[uncut pebble]

Oh real shit that's a terrible talent.

[marble mantle]

Specifically speaking

[uncut pebble]

Drop longshot or get back in the fight.

[marble mantle]

Okie dokie

[uncut pebble]

Preferably get back in the fight.

[somber axle]

Those two are both good options to swap for Target Down

[uncut pebble]

That way you aren't losing out on damage.

[somber axle]

This 100%

[marble mantle]

Thanks for the tips : )

[somber axle]

Longshot will have more value for sniping elites at range with the Recon Mk II

[uncut pebble]

Personally I would also drop longshot for the rending node but that's just me.

That way I'm not handicapped by distance and my melee does a bit more damage.

[marble mantle]

Honestly I’m still pretty new to vet so if that’s your suggestion I hear you

[marble mantle]

I’ll switch it and see

[marble mantle]

Oh, no survivalist?

[tall torrent]

Why do u need survivalist

[uncut pebble]

Survivalist isn't really necessary.

[somber axle]

The Rending node is so valuable. I would drop Agile Engagement because I don't like swapping weapons often if I can help it. I only like Agile Engagement on Helbores for bayonet memes

[marble mantle]

Idk was kinda using it for a penance lol I guess I hadn’t really thought about changing it

[uncut pebble]

It also is making you do the worm across your talent tree.

[marble mantle]

Doesn’t matter

[hearty panther]

agile is one the best fukken nodes in the game and you are gonna take it

[uncut pebble]

Agile engagement is great if you aren't trying to use pswords. Draw ranged weapon and kill one enemy, then melee again.

[tall torrent]

Unless ur playing plasma / agripinaa shotgun / recon6d / Boltgun I don’t think u need survivalist

[uncut pebble]

Personally I like using an infantry lasgun and a dclaw together for that.

[somber axle]

I usually don't like using it for hitting breakpoints since the duration is so short and conditional

I do use it for my Helbore Mk II Infiltrate Bayonet Charge meme talent build though

[uncut pebble]

I hear you. It's best suited for helbores or weapon specialist setups.

[somber axle]

Helps hit the 1HKO Dreg Gunner and 1HKO Flamer breakpoints without needing Unarmoured or Maniac perks on the gun

And I absolutely must have Carapace for a better time melting Crushers with my Helbore Mk II

[uncut pebble]

I have unarmored carapace on mine.

I pass both bps to oneshot gunners without any bs of timed buffs.

It's quite nice.

[somber axle]

I typically run Exe Stance + Focus Target and Redirect Fire with my Helbore Mk II

Maintain the important breakpoints while still doubling down on Crusher killing to the extreme

The damage is so good I can get it to a consistent 2HKO

And with combat stim it becomes a 1HKO

Sometimes I like to hoard a combat stim until a Crusher pack appears and then pop it and Exe Stance to drop the Crushers at lightning speed

[uncut pebble]

I wish I could 1tap gunners to the body with exe stance.

Alas, everything has to be so precise with vet.

[somber axle]

Headshots are fun at least

Put the lasfire through that dumb Sniper's scope