veteran-class

[sturdy zephyr]

Randoms..goodluck 😅

[somber axle]

Don't get me wrong. I do still go down sometimes. But I play more around dodging/blocking/positioning to survive

[open totem]

My pain being a forever-solo

[somber axle]

And sometimes I can go through most of an Auric without taking any damage too

[sturdy zephyr]

Certain mission or level have chokepoint or gaunlet runs. And the that time you feel almost useless since cant use the range efficiently

[tall torrent]

That’s not why I call it juicing but ok

[somber axle]

One last funny note: my build lets me 1HKO Crushers on my Helbore Mk II during Exe Stance and For the Emperor/Marksman buff windows when a combat stim is also active. So if during a match I find a combat stim I can hoard it until I see Crusher packs and then instakill them one by one and it's VERY fun LMFAO

[somber axle]

Why do you call it juicing then?

[junior needle]

when a combat stim is active

[tall torrent]

Ur recon build gives up grenades

[open totem]

That's not funny, that's just cool!

[somber axle]

2HKO otherwise! But yeah it's a funny extra breakpoint that very rarely comes in useful LMFAO

[somber axle]

Oooh yeah. That too LOL

Only my Recon Mk VId build though

[tall torrent]

It is juicing when you’re scratching for any bit of +dmg source u can possibly find over actually useful nodes

[sturdy zephyr]

I like speed stim. Swing baby swing!

[somber axle]

My Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa build still keeps nade regen

[lime sedge]

infinite ammo MK Vld critlaser is the only veteran build available. Makes Onslaught's 16shot brittleness instant. Experience the joy of never pulling out your melee weapon again, even in damnation

[open totem]

half the time I either A) can't get a grenade out fast enough because the enemies are already on me, or B) forget I have the damn things until it's too late because I go into RPG-consumable-hoarder-mode. So it's not too bad a loss.

[somber axle]

It is but keep in mind I have to time things properly because For the Emperor is only a 5 sec buff window

Once that buff drops it's back to 2HKO

[bitter turtle]

tbf

[sturdy zephyr]

Same. Its like hey i got 3grenade whats im saving for?

[bitter turtle]

i would cal lit juicing just bc you cant afford melee perks in your builds

[tall torrent]

This too

[bitter turtle]

i dont think taking exec stance counts a s"juicing"

its weaker than voc yea but its just an ability

the real part i think you make a genuine sacrifice is

[somber axle]

That's also very true. No Rashad Mk II Combat Axe with my builds if you need the extra melee damage perks to get the funny Dreg and Scab Bruiser 1HKOs

[bitter turtle]

i cant ever imagine taking anything significant on the right side

while also picking up all the important things in your build

really limits the melee options

[open totem]

But what if there's a bigger horde of crushers later? I might need my nades for that!

Sure, it's nearly the end of the mission, but what if I need them later???

[somber axle]

That's why I use shovel for all in on Krieg memes with my Helbore Mk II build. Still bonks Crushers well, still clears hordes effectively, also very thematically appropriate for a Krieg cosmetic set using a Helbore

[tall torrent]

That’s what double nade regen + bringing a melee weapon that actually kills crushers is for

[somber axle]

I also really love Knife and Chainsword

[tall torrent]

U can solo 6 crushers with practice

[open totem]

I get the feeling the joke failed to land here

[tall torrent]

Melee only

[somber axle]

Yeah definitely

[tall torrent]

No I get the joke, I just think the foundation of that joke doesn’t stand very well

[somber axle]

But I like the freedom to engage Crushers at range on a build that isn't limited by the weaknesses vs Ranged trash that the meta trio are

[open totem]

Well, just kill all the fun. Put the fun in camps, why don't you?

[tall torrent]

It’s not like grenades are non-regen consumables

[bitter turtle]

Also

Double barrel shotgun + knife is prob the most fun I've had in a while

[tall torrent]

Sure u can hoard stim because u don’t know when the next pickup is

But grenades are much more lenient

[open totem]

That does sound fun

[tall torrent]

Quad shotgun team is real

[bitter turtle]

As a gun it has some serious weaknesses

But

[somber axle]

Like you're not firing at every non-elite shooter you see on a Plasma or Zarona revolver unless you're ready to go out of ammo on the Plasma fast or take the glacial slow reload speed into account for trying to kill non-elite shooters (and still eating ammo troubles later for it too). Columnus Infantry Autogun can deal with non-elite shooters effectively up to a certain distance. It's fine for close to mid range engagements but for long range (30m+) the recoil/sway and reduced accuracy at a distance makes it suffer for trying to engage ranged trash behind cover in my experience

[bitter turtle]

There is nothing more satisfying

[open totem]

Only if you're running the grenade regen talent. And frankly, I get tired of picking that crap for every single build

[bitter turtle]

Than knife sprinting at a pack of gunners

Then swapping to dbs

Slide

[tall torrent]

Well
What does ur build even look like

[bitter turtle]

And obliterating them

[somber axle]

But you CAN fire at every single non-elite shooter you want with a Helbore Mk II using Shock Trooper and Surgical/Deadshot

Helbores just have THE best ammo efficiency in the entire game and nothing else comes close

They're like a Psyker staff for Vet

Ammo is just a non-issue

[bitter turtle]

There's two nade regen talents though

And one of them is next to tac awareness

[tall torrent]

Yes
You also get bogged down on toughness because it doesn’t have access to ghost, so it’s not worth aiming for every single shooter when u can push them into melee

[bitter turtle]

So it's almost always easy to pick up w/o taxes

[somber axle]

Not really unless you're out in the open without cover and out of dodges. If you have cover to use while taking out non-elite shooters it becomes easy even with the update to increased fire rate on non-elite shooters

[open totem]

True. But one feels far better than the other. and considering my luck, the latter you refer to almost never actually procs. Couple that with my aforementioned forgetting the damn things are even there, and I often wonder why I bother

[somber axle]

Helbore Mk II also has near immunity to suppression built in

[tall torrent]

U take exhilarating takedown ig

[somber axle]

So you don't even need Determined or Exe Stance to keep accurate shots at long distances

[somber axle]

Nah my Helbore Mk II build uses Confirmed Kill

[tall torrent]

Then yea you’ll get weighted down by stalkers

[somber axle]

Only if you're out in the open

[open totem]

Depends. I like mixing things up. I don't have a single build I run all the time. And even among my 5 premade slots I'll switch talents around here and there along with equipment

[somber axle]

Cover is a major game changer and you can comfortably engage at range while using cover to pop up and down taking out heads

And not need to rush melee on a firing line

[tall torrent]

Don’t tell me you run VoC without taking grenade regen

[somber axle]

But Infiltrate Helbore IS fun for bayonet charge memes

[willow siren]

but do i need stability

[tall torrent]

No

[bitter turtle]

It's not really a bayonet charge if you're sneaking up to them now is it

[open totem]

And what if I did? Shit gets boring when it's all you ever take. Variety is the spice of life.

[somber axle]

Stability is a dump stat. That's PERFECT

[iron marten]

it's a sneaky bayonet charge!

[bitter turtle]

Only stat that matters on recons is dmg and ammo and 51 mobility

[tall torrent]

U do u ig

[willow siren]

what do i hope for

[somber axle]

Well you're still charging and you're still doing it with your bayonet. The enemy just isn't aware you're doing it until your bayonet is in the first guy's gut LOL

[bitter turtle]

Headhunter + dumdum/infernus for 6d

Flaniac imo

[tall torrent]

It’s not perfect because it already has a bad perk

[bitter turtle]

Some people run 5% crit but I think it's a meme

[open totem]

Memes for the Memelord

[bitter turtle]

Like it's basically 10% more ammo

[somber axle]

Headhunter is #1 priority. Dum Dum is good for the second blessing. Infernus is ok for the second blessing too. If you're not going meme build for using a Recon Mk VId to fight Crushers you don't need Carapace perk. Just get Flak + Maniac or Flak + Crit Chance and you're good. But tbh Maniac/Crit isn't strictly necessary on a Recon Mk VId imo

[willow siren]

what talents do you use for recons, never fired one bc i usually play ogryn/pysker

[junior needle]

5% crit becomes 9.5% crit effectively with strings

So it's more value than it seems but it's hard to appreciate in the moment

[bitter turtle]

That's still less dmg than flaniac

[somber axle]

It's ok that can be changed later

Gotta roll those dice

[open totem]

Is that with the recent crit string change or no?

[junior needle]

You only replace one of those with the crit

[bitter turtle]

And idk if I value barely 10% more ammo

Yeah and which one do you wanna replace

[junior needle]

Define recent, they've been at 2 for awhile now

[bitter turtle]

The one for half the enemies in the game or the one that shores up recon weakness vs maniacs

[willow siren]

hadron is a funny person

[junior needle]

Whichever one you want

[bitter turtle]

Both sound terrible to me

[somber axle]

I agree. I don't use crit chance on my Recons and only have it on my Recon Mk II because the locks in place keep me from swapping it

[bitter turtle]

For what amounts to half the effectiveness of fully loaded in terms of ammo

[junior needle]

The value of the crit is that it's omnipresent

[open totem]

Fair enough. I just didn't start playing again until very recently (been on the Shadow of the Erdtree grind, mostly)

[junior needle]

So benefits you on anything you could feasibly shoot at

[bitter turtle]

By that logic we might as well run weakspot dmg

[somber axle]

Swap Hit and Run to Headhunter, swap Punishing Salvo to Dum Dum. Unyielding isn't ideal but it's ok for improving Reaper/Bulwark TTK/DPS. Crit damage is awful but the gun is fine for general use either way

[bitter turtle]

Being omnipresent doesn't make up for low value

[frank ocean]

What blessings are people going for on Shock Maul, I know the Stun on timed block is one

[junior needle]

It's much more value than weakspot damage, because shocktrooper

[bitter turtle]

Well that's what I was saying

Less than half the value of fully loaded

Doesn't sound like a great use of perk

[junior needle]

fully loaded is?

[tall torrent]

+25% reserve ammo

[bitter turtle]

25% ammo talent

[junior needle]

thamks

But it also gives you more damage

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

[junior needle]

So it's harder to quantify

[tall torrent]

Shock trooper can be thought of as a multiplier

[somber axle]

I can build a talent tree for you if you want. Tell me which of these you prefer:

Shredder Frag Grenade, Krak Grenade or Smoke Grenade
Executioner's Stance, Voice of Command or Infiltrate

[tall torrent]

Fully loaded is x1.25 reserve ammo

Shock trooper is essentially that x(1+%crit chance)

[bitter turtle]

I'm just simplifying

[celest rock]

Best melee weapon for vet other than cycler 4 PSword?

[willow siren]

krak bc i dont trust teammates, voice bc i dont trust teammates

[tall torrent]

But yes I think 5% crit is 3rd pick for recon perks

[celest rock]

Currently using the Mk13 chainsword with shred 4 wrath 4

[tall torrent]

Rashad, knife mk6

[bitter turtle]

Less than half the dmg of taking dmg perks too

[open totem]

as a perpetual solo-queuer, I feel this in my bones

[bitter turtle]

Idk combining the two is a hard sell to me

Especially when I think ammo is less of a concern now for them

[celest rock]

Brutam momentum a must on rashad?

[junior needle]

It's an alternative but not a must have

[bitter turtle]

I didn't feel significant problems playing both 6 and 7 on the new map for ammo

[willow siren]

i have solo queued for nerly all my 863 hours played

[tall torrent]

Let’s just say that Rashad without BM is perhaps the worst melee in the game

[bitter turtle]

Funnily enough

You know what felt the most ammo positive

Agri shotty

[somber axle]

here you go

[bitter turtle]

Moreso than anything else

[open totem]

Same. Had a brief stint with some folks from this server where we did some penance hunting (sadly before the penance changes) but that was about it

[somber axle]

if you want you can swap the points off Onslaught and the right side of the tree to use them elsewhere

[tall torrent]

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

I chose no Deadshot because I don't think you're a stamina curio fiend like me

And Deadshot is very bad to run without stamina curios

Especially on a Recon Mk VId

[bitter turtle]

I unironically took like <5 ammo pickups for multiple games in a row

[open totem]

Very true.

[bitter turtle]

Not sure how it happened

I actually ran lower on v7 somehow

Idk

[willow siren]

i appreciate you immensly

[somber axle]

Fire rate is too high to get much value out of Deadshot with a Recon Mk VId unless you do triple stam curios

[somber axle]

Have fun out there blasting heretics!

[frank ocean]

What blessings are good for the Shock Mauls

[open totem]

Recommendations if I wanted to run deadshot with a VIIa?

[bitter turtle]

I don't recommend it still

[mental cloud]

Almost my exact build. Does the job

[somber axle]

For a talent tree set up?

[bitter turtle]

Recon has low finesse

[open totem]

In terms of stamina curios, I mean

[bitter turtle]

You aren't actually getting that much more damage by critting

And ammo is not a big issue a ymore

[open totem]

I'm not using it so much for ammo as for infernus stacks

[bitter turtle]

I hosed at hordes with 7and still picked up less than teammates

If you run 7

Dint run infernus

It sucks on non-6

[somber axle]

Ah ok I'd recommend at least 1 stam curio. Recon Mk VIIa has the slowest fire rate of the Recons so stamina management is less trouble. If you find you're out of stamina often grab 2 stamina curios instead

[open totem]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-not-my-dad-kid-gif-8300190

[somber axle]

I do stam regen on all my curios to feed my adrenaline rush LOL

[bitter turtle]

6 can run it bc the firerate is extremely high

[somber axle]

gotta have the stam recover FAST

[open totem]

I'm not trying to be hyper-optimized, I'm just trying to have fun

[tall torrent]

They buffed Infernus actually

[bitter turtle]

I saw

Does it actually compete in dps to dumdum though for the slower recon

Tbh I didn't check but even on 6 before it was basically just breaking even

[tall torrent]

Well, 8 stacks of burn in 1 crit string sounds not so bad

[bitter turtle]

I'll try it later

And see ig

[tall torrent]

Well because pre-patch u only got 4 stacks in 1 crit string

Now it’s 4/shot, max 12

[somber axle]

Also! If you find that enemies suppressing you is too aggressive and changing your accuracy too much you can swap the point off Demo Team into Determined instead for the suppression immunity. I grabbed both Demo Stockpile and Demo Team so you can have kraks ready more often though to offset no Grenadier +1 reserve grenade

[tall torrent]

So 8 in 1 string, 12 in 2nd string

[junior needle]

Huh, when?

[willow siren]

the recent shooter buff got me off ogryn so i can kill them more so we shall see how it is

[tall torrent]

This patch

[bitter turtle]

Last patch

It was in notes

[atomic zephyr]

determined is such a good perk

[junior needle]

I only saw t3 infernus get nerfed

[tall torrent]

The notes are confusing

[atomic zephyr]

i put it on every build where im primarily shooting

[tall torrent]

What they actually did was merging Infernus between Lasgun patterns

So all Lasguns now have the same Infernus

[somber axle]

The Recon Mk VId is as close to an Ogryn Twinstubber you can get in the entire Vet arsenal. She can be a very ammo thirsty gun but she will clean up shop well with that ammo

[open totem]

Which is a lovely quality of life improvement

[tall torrent]

Previously, helbore & infantry had 1 type, Laspistol had 1 type and recon had 1 type

[tall torrent]

Not exactly because you still farm for them on different weapon types

But they have the same function now

[open totem]

True, but it does make keeping track of which las has which type far simpler

i.e. you don't have to keep track

[willow siren]

that soudns great

[junior needle]

That was not in the patch notes, I was lied to

[feral stratus]

Hey there, i've been trying the bolt pistol for a bit and i don't really know how i feel about it. It feels kinda underwelming? idk, what's yall' opinion on it?

[tall torrent]

It’s worded confusingly yes

[junior needle]

It's considered a bad revolver

[junior needle]

This is the only mention in the whole notes

[tall torrent]

Yep, ik

I had to check myself

[junior needle]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-benjamin-harrison-pawn-stars-talk-bastards-those-bastard-lied-to-me-gif-17564603

[feral stratus]

Well, considering that i may stay with the new shotgun which for now it's been feeling pretty good

[willow siren]

this looks...okay?

[open totem]

Any recommendations on the blessings for the new shotty? Haven't tried it yet myself

[next light]

Are flachette and man stopper good on the new shotgun? I can get both in the store right now

[faint beacon]

Change wrath to... something...

but you got a good fucking roll there

Probably change block to maniac or unarmored

probably maniac

[feral stratus]

I don't know tbh, i run mine with Deathsplitter and the blessing that when you shoot the two barrels it reloads faster

[willow siren]

considering it is my only melee weapon atm

[faint beacon]

its a GOOD one

you got lucky dude

[tall torrent]

Manstopper, yes

Flechette, not rly

[willow siren]

praise by hadron

[somber axle]

That's really good imo. I'd probably change Block Efficiency to Maniac. You can keep Wrath if you want to spam lights into hordes but you could swap it to Sweeping Strikes instead if you'd also like to be able to use heavies to clear rooms faster

[feral stratus]

I didn't think reloading speed would be that important

At least for me

[somber axle]

I'd probably do Sweeping Strikes for the Mk IV

Wrath is really only good for the Mk XIIIg

[willow siren]

considering time spen on ogryn, my brain will default at some point to heavies

[somber axle]

it's passable on the IV

but Sweeping Strikes is better imo

[open totem]

LOL been there my dude

[somber axle]

Definitely swap Wrath to Sweeping Strikes instead

[bitter turtle]

@tall torrent btw

[bitter turtle]

is manstopper + scatter or manstopper+both barrels better for dbs you think

[somber axle]

Yes perfect! Sorry for the mix up, Savage Sweep is what I meant LOL

I got Savage Sweep confused with a WoW Rogue ability

[open totem]

that is one sexy chainsword. Congrats.

[tall torrent]

Manstopper + double barrels imo

[hollow solstice]

rahh

[snow pendant]

there is no setting to get crosshair to show up during ads isnt it ?

[tall torrent]

U run it with WS for crit

[bitter turtle]

yeah i thought so

[willow siren]

may it serve me well as my only option atm lmao

[bitter turtle]

WS for guarantee crit

both barrels to reload fast for the next one

well

[tall torrent]

Both barrels is very high value for this gun because u actually want to brace fire for some enemies

[bitter turtle]

annoying part is having to farm manstopper again

[somber axle]

It should definitely clean up hordes very, very well

[bitter turtle]

tbh

i almost

always brace fire

[tall torrent]

Mauler, mutant, ogryns

[bitter turtle]

maybe im just memeing though

LOL

[tall torrent]

True & based

However

Both barrels only activates

If u fire at 2 ammo

And get a kill

[bitter turtle]

yea

i mean that i almost never single shot

[tall torrent]

If u have 1 ammo and brace fire, it doesn’t activate

[bitter turtle]

so thats not an issue in the first place

eats up a lot of ammo though lmao

https://i.gyazo.com/849163dedbf0c4942cecff21fb2f0e55.png

8/4 pickups

[snow pendant]

is onyl 1 shot more if u brace

pick up easily replenish that

[bitter turtle]

i mean

1 vs 2 ammo is literally twice as much

[tall torrent]

Dw ur teammates will thank u for doing the event for them

[willow siren]

for the first time in forever i queue a regular 5 and not an auric, bc my ass does not have curios on vet

shame i cant use the ones from ogryn

[snow pendant]

ending a heretic sooner b4 it can run or attack is always better if it just cost another bullet

[somber axle]

if you have extra melk chocolate coins to spare you can buy the random curio option from melk to try to roll some curios

[bitter turtle]

i dont completely disagree

which is why i always brace lmao

but

i gotta admiT

sometimes

when im point blank against a gunner

and i brace shot

i think

"that was probably unnecessary"

[snow pendant]

is always a joy to send a heretic's lifeless body 5 meters away because of the force from the double blasting it took

also i see vidoes ppl get crosshair in ads thats a mod isnt it ?

[pseudo fiber]

I should probably just rip lightning reflexes off this shouldn't I

[tall torrent]

Braced shot has better gore than hipfire, therefore the extra ammo spent is worth it

You’re already accepting that ur playing a meme build by choosing to use this gun, might as well fully lean into the meme

[hearty panther]

i honestly find it very strong on zealot

and its nice to have a weapon that is 100% commited to the bit of Emperor's Bullet

[tall torrent]

Yea it’s good cuz anoint in blood is literally made for this gun

And also emperor’s bullet + both barrels is INSANE uptime lmao

[crimson pebble]

Yes low finesse aswell

[somber axle]

Hey is crowd control a dump stat for the Shock Maul

[crimson pebble]

If you want or get falter on yours then yea

[marble mantle]

What are the better vet melees? Pls include mk if it’s relevant. I’m using the first power sword while leveling rn and I’m not a huge fan

[crimson pebble]

The second powersword v much better

[marble mantle]

I hope so cuz I feel like this one just doesn’t put out much

[crimson pebble]

I dont remember the mk but it should the be last shovel on list is good both knives rlly good aswell as the mk3 shock maul

[marble mantle]

Oh okay bet, thanks!

@hexed trail shut up

[hexed trail]

Thoughts on overwhelming force on angi mk la shock maul?

[marble mantle]

It came to me in a vision

[hexed trail]

Fatty

[crimson pebble]

The devils claw are also rlly good idk which mks tho iv never rlly seen the appeal outside of its parry ability

[pseudo fiber]

mk7 shovel, its blue

[marble mantle]

You will rot

[marble mantle]

Yea I’m not a huge devil claw supporter

[crimson pebble]

P much everything useable tbh besides maybe tac axe which requires some finesse to rlly put to good use

[cobalt rover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1172874165041254493/1256756399069855894/image.png?ex=6681ed1a&is=66809b9a&hm=575df6a1feb1d576da32c6690ed39bd247cdb2179828df7e0017544ac3847a95&

So this is a dud right?

There's no saving this?

[bitter turtle]

it sucks

[cobalt rover]

Damn

[bitter turtle]

fwiw

penetration is not that important

because uncanny makesy our ADM not that relevant

as long as its like

60

you're definitely safe

mobility is actually

completely meaningless

if its above 17 you dont lose a dodge

in terms of damage influence

FT > Finesse> Damage > penetration in importance

[cobalt rover]

Gonna take notes on this thank you kindly

I spent over 2m on knives so Im going through them rn

[willow siren]

ngl getting sick of QP taking me into the new mission so much

[bitter turtle]

have you considered

not doing QP

[last parcel]

holy hell

[willow siren]

but teh bonus

[bitter turtle]

the point of hte bonus is t hat the mission selected is out of your control

that's the entire premise of it

[willow siren]

i complain anyway

map voting

[hexed trail]

How's the overwhelming force blessing
How is it preforming on the shock maul?

[junior needle]

I hate fatshark so much

Two disconnects in this mission

[cobalt rover]

what can pair good with precog?

planning to switching groan and pox to maniac or something

[tall torrent]

uncanny strike

[bitter turtle]

Maniac is useless

Haymaker to uncanny

[cobalt rover]

which would be good then?

carapace?

unyielding?

[bitter turtle]

all of those are fine

elite is fine too

[umbral scaffold]

melee weakspot or 5% crit neat

10% melee weakspot effects every unit

decent on high finesse weapon like knife

[tall torrent]

@bitter turtle I got a godroll DB shotgun

speedload could be both barrels, would switch when crafting update drops

[bitter turtle]

is speedload > both barrel?

oh

[tall torrent]

nah

but manstopper is good

[bitter turtle]

yeah

[tall torrent]

also both perks ideal

[bitter turtle]

did you just make a new char

for manstopper

lol

[tall torrent]

no

[bitter turtle]

i dont wanna do this shit again

ah

[tall torrent]

melk's garage sale

[bitter turtle]

brunt?

oh

lol

idk why

they havent turned them

into t3 blessings alr

[tall torrent]

itemization updtae

need

until then

I will commit the silly with the funny shotgun

[faint beacon]

Manstopper actually worth the investment on DB

or is its Cleave just already good in general

[somber axle]

what two blessings do you want on the Shock Maul?

High Voltage + Overwhelming Force?

[frank basin]

@junior needle you ever done get penance "Untouchable Operative"?

[uncut pebble]

I don't know who told me that elite damage was enough to make a bolt pistol 1shot both types of gunners, but I'm going to beat you with hammers.

[junior needle]

I cannot recall what that is

[frank basin]

play 10 auric mission without dying

[junior needle]

Na, but I only just started playing again this patch

[last parcel]

hv + skullcrusher iirc

[faint beacon]

Correct

HV + SKC

[frank basin]

some guy desperated wanted me play his own account to get that penance for purple tag he desire.

[pseudo fiber]

oh I saw that lol just do heresy

[frank basin]

i just wondering that penance sound pain almost impossible play with pubies

[junior needle]

Bad time with the current state of shooters

[frank basin]

auric heresy then?

[last parcel]

you need superiority complex

[faint beacon]

Running the new map with freshies on damnation wish me luck lads

[pseudo fiber]

I did it in pubs. tbf I did all the hard ones in pubs wasn't that bad

[midnight totem]

doesn't manic enable mutie headshot kills?

[uncut pebble]

Oh right right see I forgot that I needed vet perks and I'm on my zealout rn...

Sorry.

[frank basin]

yeah he get 9 of 10 progress on that penance and some troll guy fucked his progress up.

[somber axle]

time to try her out

[uncut pebble]

Flak unarmored it is for gunner 1taps.

[frank basin]

the trollgryn he call i think

[pseudo fiber]

I do wanna ask though. Electrocuted is just when you hit them and they get the shock effect right?

[frank basin]

he felt frustated

[uncut pebble]

I got the vet roll of surgical deadly accurate and got both at 4 on the same gun with good stats.

[pseudo fiber]

I get it tbh it sucks. I made a mental list of all the maps with really bad pits in them and avoided

[tall torrent]

Karsolas?

That’s my fav so far

Super cinematic single target combo too

[willow siren]

ogryn chat got a hard on for the heavy pick but man i cannot stand how slow it feels

[tall torrent]

The combo chain times are atrocious

As a non ogryn main I can’t comprehend how people bear with that

[willow siren]

i main ogryn and it feels awful

[tall torrent]

U can’t recover from heavy atk into block in reasonable time

[willow siren]

you also cant weapon swap

[last parcel]

it's just like living with a big cock

[willow siren]

alot of ogryn weapons you can cancel the the melee into shooting

[old quail]

as someone who suffers from having their highest truelevel in ogryn i had a concussion when i was like 4

[willow siren]

good for kickback

[old quail]

im pretty sure thats why i play ogryn at all

if you put enough time into dealing with ogryn weapons all feeling like they have some level of input delay you can get around it for the most part

the pickaxes feel like their time to push from neutral is just terrible compared to a lot of weapons and queueing up a second push takes ages

[frank basin]

don't you know he gave his account security to me to get purple title bit much?

[faint beacon]

bro what is up with these matches and just

to put it lightly lobotimized

[tall torrent]

Oh for sure

That’s prob why Karsolas felt best to me

[willow siren]

just had a match where for the entire auric we had a bot

[frank basin]

the gameplay is bonkering i get game froze sometime

[tall torrent]

Having actually reasonable combo chain

[frank basin]

asia matchmaking is baren

[old quail]

the borovian has some similar combos to branx but without certain chains having a full second of dead time before you can input the next attack

[pseudo fiber]

A bit yeah...

[old quail]

which makes it more tolerable

[tall torrent]

borovian combo is not as intuitive to me

karsolas can do PA/SP > H0 overhead > L4 overhead loop

borovian single target seems to be L1/SP > H2 overhead > L3 overhead

[old quail]

you can't consistently chain to the h2 without a special but

https://streamable.com/cc6c45

the special has gigantic cleave

and gives +10% damage

while also being fast

pulls have 11.7 hitmass at 80% cleave targets and power applies to them

which is absurd because if the stars align you end up tagging multiple bulwarks at once

[pseudo fiber]

Karsolas is so much fun but also looks the best

is it just headtaker slaughterer and flak maniac

alright my blue one is better than I thought then

[regal aurora]

[faint beacon]

Casually stun locks ragers

thats fucking amazing

[carmine cradle]

any thoughts on the itemization rework post?

[frank ocean]

First class I’ve got all Penances done!

[carmine cradle]

well done

[terse idol]

Great new player experience

[carmine cradle]

there are some concerns the max power level of weapons is going to be lower

(not, like, the displayed number)

like, i think i have a couple of weapons that will no longer be allowed to exist

[somber axle]

Boltgun feels SO good after using Boltpistol for so long LOL

[carmine cradle]

its stat wise much better

more ammo, more damage

[old quail]

exe stance bolter on the new map with all the sightlines is insane

[carmine cradle]

on like

everything

[carmine cradle]

counterpoint, exe stance plasma gun

crowds be damned

walls be damned

[old quail]

plasma is incredibly boring so i don't use it

[carmine cradle]

its kinda stupid how strong it is

i get that

but 8 still find it fun

[old quail]

i enjoy all the shout/plasma vets i get who leave within 5 mins cuz they fold like paper somehow

https://streamable.com/1hd8te

melk sold me manstopper for double barrel

life is good

[carmine cradle]

anyways, time to go make assault rifle build

[carmine cradle]

can i interest u in 250% reload speed shotgun?

[old quail]

who needs reloads

when u have reusable shotgun shells

[carmine cradle]

i got something absolutely beautiful on my zealot

[carmine cradle]

wait what?

[old quail]

u cant actually reuse them but weapon specialist's auto reload has to come from somewhere

and so in my mind i am being environmentally conscious

[carmine cradle]

this is lowkey super fun to use

all the reload speed!!!!

ok, anybody got a talent build for auotguns?

[junior needle]

Depends on which one you want to use

There's no one size fits all

[carmine cradle]

i have made a build

autogun shreads

[junior needle]

Glass cannon/10

[carmine cradle]

itll be fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine

[junior needle]

I can't tell which autogun it's supposed to be for

IAG?

[carmine cradle]

yes

[junior needle]

Ciag?

[carmine cradle]

no clue

want to daka

[tall torrent]

what's with the lack of iron will these days

[junior needle]

You will have the bad time with those defences, I'd go confirmed kill and the tdr above it

Ciag does more than enough damage and the reload speed is fine

[white minnow]

they have a steel will

[junior needle]

Also, how good is the overwatch node for infiltrate

[hollow ibex]

you don't need it if you don't get hit /s

[carmine cradle]

for cowards

[somber axle]

The cleave is just a breath of fresh air after playing Boltpistol for so long. The extra ammo is nicer for cleaning up lots of softer targets too. Better recoil, better sway... it's slightly less damage than my normal Boltpistol build using Marksman's Focus and Rending but it's just barely missing like a few breakpoints while trading those breakpoints for all around better play in every other way

[tall torrent]

not having an iron will sounds more cowardly tbh

[last parcel]

[somber axle]

The only sad thing is discovering I'm not a fan of the Shock Mauls

tried both new models and didn't like either

[carmine cradle]

if have to put 3 points to that part of the tree and i need thos epoints elsewhere

[somber axle]

They felt so piddly for trying to kill anything in melee whether it's elites or just basic hordes

Maybe I'm using it wrong but I'm alternating lights/heavies for the side sweeps into hordes and it just feels like it isn't killing

The horde clear feels pretty bad compared to my usual horde clear weapons

[carmine cradle]

does anybody like the non chain axes?

i cant get into them

[junior needle]

caxes need brutal and to hit bruiser headshot one taps

taxes are weird and two variants also need to do the same but do so less effectively

[carmine cradle]

the problem with a lot of vet melee weapons is that shovel and psword exist

[wild vortex]

If you don't have the right perks and blessings it's bleh. If you do, it's god tier

[junior needle]

This applies to the rashad and the antax to a lesser extent

The achlys is uh

There

[junior needle]

please respond

[carmine cradle]

why axe when can, you know

shovel

it 2 shots crushers, what do i need an axe for?

[crimson pebble]

Shovel gaming

Only thing i dont like about it is its sticks into things unlike the ogryn one

[last parcel]

throw on carapace damage so it can one shot

[carmine cradle]

cant

sadly

id LOVE to throw unyeilding and carapace on it

thankfully, my shovel 1 shots mutants to the body with no crit

[last parcel]

this gives me the feels

[carmine cradle]

fully charged itll kill a scab rager

[junior needle]

Birth of a meme

[carmine cradle]

oh wait, not quite

with different perk setup itd 1 shot more stuff

[crimson pebble]

Was talking to my friend the other night and had the idea of a change to psword in that youd activate and itd work how the plasma gun currently works and would have an overheat mechanic thoughts

[carmine cradle]

powerswords are allowed to be stupid because lore

dark age of technology stuff

shovel is lowkey kinda busted tho

its just so

versatile

especially with thrust and uncanny strike

[crimson pebble]

I meam their good now but most peoples problem is having to subjugate themselves to hadron roulet for power cycler 4

[carmine cradle]

the fact that SO MANY specials die to like

[bitter turtle]

Shovel clear is slow

[carmine cradle]

a light attack from the pickaxe-d shovel

is kinda absurd

[carmine cradle]

its really not THAT bad

ive found just chaining heavies to work pretty well

also, veteran has other solutions for relly dense crowds

infinite frag grenades anyone?

[bitter turtle]

This is zealot melee

I tested shovel

Wanna guess the time to kill 100 poxes

With mk7 heavy spam

[old quail]

2 seconds

[bitter turtle]

Ya

I used no talents

[pseudo fiber]

prob 30ish seconds

[bitter turtle]

Yea you're close it was like 35 to 40ish

Bottom half of the chart basically

[pseudo fiber]

I know my shovel

It's alright

[carmine cradle]

i mean, cool story bro
shredder frags upon ye

[bitter turtle]

I'm just contending the idea that there is no reason to use any other melee

There are plenty of reasons to use other melee than shovel

[carmine cradle]

no, of course not, but like most of these melee dont get to insta delete big things

and dont get 5 dodges

[bitter turtle]

That is true but in the case of vet ironically it's p useful, I don't think most vet talents or abilities will affect any weapon disproportionately

[bitter turtle]

Every single melee except like 3 can kill a crusher in under 2 or 1 second now

[carmine cradle]

shovel has solid stagger too

[bitter turtle]

Yea that's true

It staggers hordes well

[carmine cradle]

real well

[bitter turtle]

But killing is better than staggering

Rashad is a better melee

In majority of cases

[carmine cradle]

i mean, you only gotta delay long enough for a grenade to appear in your pocket

[pseudo fiber]

Shovel stagger is so good

Dream horde weapon for that reason

[carmine cradle]

ye

not the FASTEST weapon for hordes

but a very safe weapon for hordes

[atomic zephyr]

steath recon lasgun is super duper fun

[carmine cradle]

decent dodge and dodge count, and amazing group stagger

[atomic zephyr]

highly recommend giving it a shot now

[bitter turtle]

I mean u say that like swinging away with rashad is not safe lol

Left click simulator kill everything

[atomic zephyr]

also, has anyone else been using the H1->L1 combo on the mk3 shock maul? thing cleans hordes like hell

[tall torrent]

the group stagger is not as good as u think because it doesn't have major +cleave blessings

[atomic zephyr]

or at least controls them

[tall torrent]

it's technically H1 > L4 but yea

[carmine cradle]

not wrong

[atomic zephyr]

oh thats L4 yeah

[carmine cradle]

and even if it did, i wouldnt be taking them

cause of the classic uncanny strike + thrust

to some degree, it doesnt matter, cause psword

without brutal momentum? maybe

[tall torrent]

he's talking abt vs smaller isolated pockets of enemies

[bitter turtle]

Tbf

If you swing and kill 4 every light

Rashad doesn't need to be powered every 3 swings

And both kill 4 every swing

[carmine cradle]

it powers on so quickly it just kidna doesnt matter

[tall torrent]

it still takes time

[carmine cradle]

it can power on while blocking because reasons

[upbeat snow]

raisins

https://tenor.com/view/unraisinable-raisins-pretty-unraisinable-california-raisins-gif-26501473

[carmine cradle]

oh no, elites against my veteran, whatever shall i do?

[tall torrent]

also fyi u should run carapace on ur shovel

[bitter turtle]

Shovel should be 1 tapping crusher built correctly

[tall torrent]

if u don't run folding shovel for 1 tap crusher there kinda isn't a major reason of using them over axe besides RP

[bitter turtle]

Literally every melee kill crusher in under at most 2 seconds now except memeclaws tbh

[carmine cradle]

wait what my shovel ISNT maxed out?

WHAT?

i thought i alraeady locked it

aparently not

[tall torrent]

it's not

[frank ether]

pls stop the claw bullying .d

[bitter turtle]

If you need 2 folds to kill a crusher

[carmine cradle]

yeah ill throw caracpace on it when im not broke

[frank ether]

its trying its best okay

[bitter turtle]

Then it's not optimized

[tall torrent]

they're still gonna stick to power sword / chainsword / shovel RP

[frank ether]

I think its still fine

[carmine cradle]

im missing a few talents that would let me do it

[frank ether]

with the amount of primaries that can nuke crushers its no biggie

[tall torrent]

start by taking +dmg nodes

[bitter turtle]

The flak damage is really bad too

I honestly d ont really get claw purpose

[carmine cradle]

i think i have A build that one shots em

[frank ether]

I won't sugarcoat it, it is bad

but the moveset is very good

[vale thorn]

alguien habla español

[frank ether]

claws are carried on moveset and parry anyway

[carmine cradle]

but shovel is also something i just throw into builds when i dont know what to throw in

its kinda a comfort pick for me

[last parcel]

quiero comer polla

[vale thorn]

jajajaja

[carmine cradle]

i got this knoife, thoughts?

[tall torrent]

it's a low point cost pick for sharpshooter to deal with crusher

[onyx anvil]

ok i need lasgun bayonet attack to be chainable pls

[tall torrent]

but it's just that

[carmine cradle]

so are most of my guns

[somber axle]

New map is wildly easier running Recon for helping clear ranged elites/non-elites especially when you've got smoke LMFAO

[tall torrent]

first target too low

[carmine cradle]

yeahhhhh

[somber axle]

Recon Mk II ammo efficiency is so insane

[carmine cradle]

mercy killer helps tho

[somber axle]

I spent most of the match on my gun, almost never touched my knife and never went red ammo ever

[tall torrent]

u mean columnus with onslaught?

[bitter turtle]

You're not keeping mercy killer on that knife

[tall torrent]

that's not low point cost

[bitter turtle]

Need uncanny

[carmine cradle]

you arent stopping me >:)

[bitter turtle]

well

I'm just giving my thoughts lol

[frigid hare]

so is recon lasgun good yet

[tall torrent]

then maybe don't ask for people's thoughts lol

[bitter turtle]

It's ok

[frigid hare]

it feels like you can top dps reasonably well but

[bitter turtle]

Idk about 2

[frigid hare]

i always feel like i don't have enough space to do what i need to do

[bitter turtle]

But 6 is alright and 7 is the better one

[frigid hare]

even with voc and frags

[carmine cradle]

i CANT change it i dont have any other knife blessings lmao

[frigid hare]

oh is 7 the good one noiw

[bitter turtle]

7 was always thr better one after the nerfs

Imo

[frigid hare]

i got a really well-rolled 6 so i wanted to try

[carmine cradle]

shock mauls are decent

[bitter turtle]

Same dps and +1 cleave

[carmine cradle]

good all rounder melees

[bitter turtle]

Just dont bother with onslaught meme

As for now

[frigid hare]

i'm running the deadshot thing or w/e that drains your stamina

[frigid hare]

oh what's good on it

i've just been running onslaught + 10 rending + deadshot + infernus

like the old days

[bitter turtle]

Both are alright guns, I would say 7 is better just cause cleave is nice

You just build it left and middle and whatever melee talents you would normally pick up for your melee

[frigid hare]

it feels ok but i need a lot of space and my melee sucks

[bitter turtle]

Dumdum headhunter, maybe infernus is fine post buff idk

Well

[frigid hare]

hmm should i still bother with +rending

or just accept that i will suck vs crushers

[bitter turtle]

Yes just not onslaught

Rending strikes good

[tall torrent]

Yes

[bitter turtle]

Onslaught bad

[tall torrent]

Bring a melee to kill crusher, it’s not that complicated

[bitter turtle]

4 pts just to kill crushers is not a good trade

Just smack them with your melee

As I said

No exaggeration

Unless you are using a dclaw

Evdry single melee can kill a crusher in under 2 seconds now prob

[frigid hare]

nah the only decently-rolled melee weapon i have on vet is a power sword anyways

which does pretty decent

[tall torrent]

Then u shouldn’t struggle vs crushers

[old quail]

knife6 + scattershot/manstopper double barrel is p fun

[bitter turtle]

Albeit chainsword is animation locked during those 2 seconds lmao

[astral blade]

whats a good gun and run weapon for vet

[tall torrent]

New shotgun

[frigid hare]

is the double barrel actually good

it felt a bit mid on zealot

[bitter turtle]

It's

[astral blade]

OK other than the one pump chump

[bitter turtle]

Ok

But it's fun as fuck

[frigid hare]

but haven't tried it on vet

[bitter turtle]

Imo at least

Wep specialist dbs is something special

[tall torrent]

Laspistol

[old quail]

you get exactly what you expect from a videogame shotgun lol

[bitter turtle]

Yea lol

[old quail]

manstopper on it is p sick

[last parcel]

i just need to get manstopper to complete my executioner’s stance double barrel build

[astral blade]

laspistol good to hear any other weapons?

[tall torrent]

what exactly are u looking for

[terse idol]

Until I see it

I won't believe it 😌

[carmine cradle]

well we dont KNOW

but if i had to guess, my force sword wont be legally allowed to exist anymore

[astral blade]

ok to be more precise looking for a weapon that i can be fast with but still hit pretty hard

[carmine cradle]

atleast according to some math someone ran

[tall torrent]

Yea, that’s Laspistol

[bitter turtle]

Define hit hard

[carmine cradle]

revolver?

[frigid hare]

revolver?

[bitter turtle]

Is hit hard "kill crushers "

[carmine cradle]

revolver

.

revolver is good choice

fast, hits like a truck

cant go wrong with revolver

[astral blade]

not that hard hitting

[bitter turtle]

Revolver is not fit for a gun heavy build

I imagine he wants to run and gun

[carmine cradle]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh vet can make it work

kinda

[bitter turtle]

Not run and hit things with melee and occasionally gun

[old quail]

oh is there anything i should change on this

idk what u want on plasma

[bitter turtle]

Laspistol is the best choice ngl

[old quail]

i dont think ill use it i just wanna keep it on the shelf

[bitter turtle]

You could try ciag with hit and run

[pseudo fiber]

jesus h fucking christ

[astral blade]

ok las pistol it is

[carmine cradle]

blaze away is meh on plasma gun from what i know

[tall torrent]

Blaze away to gloryhunter
This is godroll

[bitter turtle]

Stick ghost on it

[tall torrent]

Perfect

[old quail]

i got it on christmas morning lmao

[bitter turtle]

You outrun melee enemies and are immune to gunfire

[old quail]

[astral blade]

which las pistol should i use

[old quail]

alright

[carmine cradle]

but yeah you legit godrolled a plasma gun, except for ammo

ammo is not an ideal dump stat

[tall torrent]

Mk2

[carmine cradle]

heat is proooobably the ideal dump stat for plasma gun?

or stopping power

[tall torrent]

Charge rate

[tall torrent]

Stopping power needs 78+

[carmine cradle]

you actually kinda want ammo tho

[carmine cradle]

for what?

[tall torrent]

As long as it’s over 60 it’s fine

[astral blade]

why not the mkx

[bitter turtle]

U know stopping powerbaffects damage rigit?

[tall torrent]

Damage breakpoints

[tall torrent]

It’s not nearly as good

[carmine cradle]

it DOES?

[bitter turtle]

Less synergy

With ghodt

[carmine cradle]

good to know, i thought it was just stagger/suppression

[last parcel]

another victim

[bitter turtle]

The extra dmg is not meaningful enough either

Laspistol is a spam gun

Shooting slower and hitting only slightly harder isn't a great tradeoff

[feral stratus]

How does this look? I don't know which perks work well with the maces

[pseudo fiber]

That fatshark is a tricky one

[astral blade]

blessings to be on the look out for is ghost and what else?

[bitter turtle]

Ghost dumdum

[tall torrent]

That’s collateral

[carmine cradle]

ahhhhhh my bad

[crimson pebble]

Pic wont load for me but my ideal is gets hot and blaze away for blessing and flak and carapace for perk maniac can work to

[bitter turtle]

You can literally check what stats do on the inspect screen you know

[carmine cradle]

but i dont remember off the top of my head

not for EVERY stat anyways

[carmine cradle]

nice bonk stick

[midnight totem]

ah gods

I haven't played Darktide at all today

-shakes from withdrawal-

[last parcel]

i took a shit three times today

[midnight totem]

too much fiber in your diet

[last parcel]

eating the cheetos under the bed was a bad idea

[tame lodge]

Or you eat something that irritated your stomach

[bitter turtle]

Are you certain it was a cheeto

[last parcel]

i’ve seen enough animal planet to identify a cheeto

oh shit DOUBLE BARREL VITAMINS

[bitter turtle]

[last parcel]

[bitter turtle]

i let it run to the end once

[last parcel]

right on time

[astral blade]

well this is the best i could do

[bitter turtle]

weak spot dmg isnt ideal but im sure you know that already

its good enough though

[astral blade]

still a piece of shit but it is a piece of that can work

[austere mica]

20 mins late but I would drop Blaze Away for something else

[last parcel]

shittering impact

[crimson pebble]

What is with all this sudden blaze away plasam hate

[bitter turtle]

it was always kinda mid tbh but there's not many other great choices

so it just depends if you care about defensive utility, cause the only other thing remotely decent is gloryhunter

[crimson pebble]

I use plasma for horde clear and weapon specialist w knife i know most are trying to turn it into the anti crusher machine

[last parcel]

you use plasma to what

[crimson pebble]

Kite a mob into a line and just kill them all w one shot

[last parcel]

kino der toten

[crimson pebble]

Maybe

[faint beacon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNNSgHTVBMg

Managed to find the Foundryplex horde theme after like 10ish minutes just to dig for it

[wraith locust]

do we do 10% elite

[faint beacon]

Emperor's most stable Laspistol

[wraith locust]

lol

tried it in psyk

stability does not matter

fr

[faint beacon]

Dump stat iirc

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon u wanna play

[faint beacon]

Yeah sure

[tall torrent]

vc?

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/vc-full-metal-jacket-door-gunner-vietnam-war-vietnam-gif-871465054074535614

[onyx anvil]

anyone know if lasgun bayonet attack damage scales with ranged damage or melee damage?

[last parcel]

melee

[tulip tiger]

melee and it benefits from your melee weapon perk/blessings if they havent changed it

[last parcel]

if you mean melee blessings such as brutal momentum, that was patched out some months ago

[tulip tiger]

oh was it? bummer

i havent run hellbore since pre-penance update so wasnt sure lol

[fleet garden]

so which accatran is the best after buff

ive tried them all but hard to decide

[tame lodge]

Accatran? Like recons?

Lots of Accatran

In fact 4 iirc

[tulip tiger]

IIA is pretty good

Its considered the "slowiest" of the recons

[tame lodge]

II went from the worst to pretty good

[tulip tiger]

We performed a balance pass on every mark, strengthening their identity as assault, almost recoilless full-auto rifles while also inserting some peculiarities on each mark, while keeping some of their weaknesses (such as difficulty to pierce Carapace armoured enemies).

The MkII version received a significant base power bump, remaining a good all-rounder for the category.

The MkVId mostly maintained its previous base power profile, but received hefty buffs in fire speed and magazine size to lay down suppressing fire and reward keeping the aim on the targets.

Finally, the MkVIIa place as the heavy variant was confirmed by a further increase in its base attack and impact power values. To help with its increased ammo consumption per shot compared to the other two marks, we significantly increased the total ammo in reserve.

[zenith helm]

guys what is the new recon gun they buffed?

[tulip tiger]

II is definitely the all rounder, if you want more punch I'd say VIIa. I bounce between them both and enjoy them both.

They all got buffed

[tame lodge]

All 3 received something

[zenith helm]

gotcha

which one do u guys recommend?

[tulip tiger]

All recons got better hipfire, and their dodge sprint and aimed movement got improved

Accatran Mk II Recon Lasgun

Attack power distribution {40,70} to {78,108}

Armor Damage Modifier against Maniac 0.75 to 0.8 (near), 0.65 to 0.7 (far)

Armor Damage Modifier against Infested and Unarmoured 1.25 to 1.0 (near)

Armor Damage Modifier against Flak down to 0.75 (near), 0.5 (far)

Armor Damage Modifier against Unyielding down to 0.75 (near)

Impact modifier against Unyielding upped to 1.0 (near), down to 0.5 (far).

Accatran Mk VId Recon Lasgun

Set bespoke power distribution values:

Attack = {40,70} (unchanged)

Impact = {1.0,2.0} (unchanged).

Armor Damage Modifier against Unarmoured 0.9 to 1.0 (near).

Armor Damage Modifier against Maniac 0.6 to 0.8 (near).

Fire rate from 16.77 to 20.00.

Magazine size from 60-120 to 100-200.

Removed one magazine in reserve (60x5-120x6 to 100x4-200x5).

Reload and Wield speed time slowed by 20%.

Accatran Mk VIIa Recon Lasgun

Set bespoke power distribution values:

Attack = {95,165} (around 33% buff)

Impact = {1.5,3.0} (around 10% buff).

Armor Damage Modifier against Flak 1 to 0.75 (near).

Armor Damage Modifier against Unyielding from 1 to 0.75 (near).

Added two magazines in reserve (60x5-120x6 to 60x7-120x8).

Theres the full break down

[zenith helm]

what is the best meta gun for vet atm?

[tulip tiger]

Plasma gun lol

[tame lodge]

Followed by Ciag

[zenith helm]

im not a fan of it

ciag?

[tulip tiger]

If you wanna laser vomit, the II is a good all rounder, and the VIIa has punch

the columnus autogun

is the meta autogun currently

[zenith helm]

ahh columnus

i have it

[tulip tiger]

Youll suffer at range if you dont crouch fire, but its got best close-mid range dps of all the auto guns

[zenith helm]

how do i improve this?

[tulip tiger]

Pretty good rolls on it

[tame lodge]

"massive" crit string nerf

[tulip tiger]

lol, didnt they only lower the crit string from 4 to 3?

[tame lodge]

Yeah

[zenith helm]

what is the shotty to use in this meta?

and blessings with the shotty

[tulip tiger]

TEchnically if you want the most meta columnus you want dumdum and fire frenzy

[vale ledge]

Unironically, this cosmetic works with the new enforcer sets really well

[zenith helm]

kinda sick of the columnus atm

[tulip tiger]

Oh shit i bet that does

So the double barrel is mega fun but niche

Kantrael is the best all rounder shotgun

[fleet garden]

so mk2

[vale ledge]

Feels like its actually attached to the armor-

[tame lodge]

Seeing lots of Agripina shotgun as of lately

[tulip tiger]

Oh wow that does suit ti well

[fleet garden]

using the VII and it feels so so

[vale ledge]

Works on the zealot and psykers too :>

[zenith helm]

btw guys how is the alt fire fire shot with the shotty?

is it any good or sht?

[tulip tiger]

Its "okay"

[vale ledge]

Its situational

[zenith helm]

so translation it's sht

[vale ledge]

Panic button against hordes? Great

[tulip tiger]

Or panic against dogs

since the fire will knock dog off you

[vale ledge]

Or Ragers even

[zenith helm]

im looking or something new on the vet

kinda tired of my setup

bored of it

[vale ledge]

What build are you running?

[tulip tiger]

If you wanna fun route with shotgun vet, go weapon specialist

since the low mag benefits from the 'ammo back" perk on the wep spec tree

err ammo reload

[zenith helm]

idk how to take a pic of the entire build

[tulip tiger]

is what i mean

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a604cd8-cd83-4c2a-8f24-a4a3e2148959/veteran-brawler

This is a build around the Kantrael, I've used something similiar to this build

[vale ledge]

I make up builds as I go along

[tulip tiger]

I prolly would drop Low profile imo

[vale ledge]

Expirementation is what I believe in

[zenith helm]

how do i take a pic of my tree

[fleet garden]

im testing this VIIa, its not perfect but ok

[tulip tiger]

Eh I kinda love deathspitter to be honest

since i run my recon up close lol

[fleet garden]

mk2 feels the best atm tbh

[tulip tiger]

and it comboes well with dumdum already

[fleet garden]

then VI

[tulip tiger]

For sure, the IIa still feels al ittle slow

[zenith helm]

interesting you are using smoke grenades

[tulip tiger]

Oh I don't in my build, I run krak

I just found one thats close to mine lol

[zenith helm]

gotcha

[tulip tiger]

But honestly smoke low key is prolly good now, especially on the new map

cause you can use it to shut down gunner packs

[zenith helm]

what is the best class atm?

[tulip tiger]

The one you enjoy the most.

[white minnow]

the class that i play

[zenith helm]

i played about 1k a year ago before the patches

[tame lodge]

Hard to say

[zenith helm]

and just picked it up again and have done about 20 odd games

[tulip tiger]

game trying hard to make me wanna use bolt pistol....

[zenith helm]

i only do damnation usually maelstrom

[tulip tiger]

Hadron didn't shit the bed for once, because thats untouched on rerolls lol

[zenith helm]

thoughts?

[fleet garden]

will prolly roll with the mk2 the most tbh

[tulip tiger]

Great roll on power sword and good selection of perk and blessing

[zenith helm]

thoughts?

[tulip tiger]

Critical hit damage aint the greatest, but could be worse. Least your locked perk aint something like Groaner damage XD

[zenith helm]

Fyi ive been experimenting with sprint efficiency

[tulip tiger]

If you like to block a lot on power sword, take the MKIII, buti prefer the MKVI plus maniac damage is a little better

[zenith helm]

yeah i usually run maniac

but wonder if its overkill

[tulip tiger]

I don't typically run into issues where sprint efficiency is relevant.

unless I'm running dagger

[zenith helm]

hows the new shovel?

i havent tried it yet

[tulip tiger]

new shovel?

you mean the shock mauls?

[zenith helm]

no

the shovel

i stopped playing before the released one with the special

[tame lodge]

Mk7 is the go to

[zenith helm]

they*

[tulip tiger]

Mhmm, slaughterer on that and you use special and it'll pop stuff

once you have stacks of course

[midnight raptor]

If I were to use a helbore, which MK works best and what blessings should I aim for

[tulip tiger]

Helbore comes down to preference

since they all 3 have drastically different firing profiles

[onyx anvil]

mk3 melee has cleave