veteran-class

[languid dune]

The usual Maniac and Flak or something else?

[tall torrent]

Not super sure abt perks atm

[dapper agate]

e

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent hey

you know the talent onslaught?

i wonder

for purpose of its stacks

do the rev attacks from chainaxes or chainswords

count toward its

number of stacks?

[lofty citrus]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9c4ffee5-0b8f-4f49-a965-96797bb2c5d9

This is the build that did the nurgle beast 3/4 in one mag

[tall torrent]

Rev atks are considered single hit therefore stacks only once

Onslaught is only really relevant if u want to make Columnus mk5 or recon6d kill crushers

Everything else, it’s not very good value

[fleet thicket]

what if you got a

aggrpinaa

infintry?

[tall torrent]

firerate too slow to stack it

[fleet thicket]

even with the

weapon specialist?

[tall torrent]

the first question u gotta ask urself is

[fleet thicket]

this is my build on infiltrate

btw

[tall torrent]

why're u bringing an autogun to kill crushers

[fleet thicket]

no XD

i have a combat axe

but shooting

[tall torrent]

then why do u need onslaught

[fleet thicket]

beast in the back

i think it be useful there

[tall torrent]

well

BoN is unyielding

autoguns don't have horrible unyielding ADM

[fleet thicket]

yeah brittleness applys ot all armor tyeps

oh i see okay

[tall torrent]

only 4

flak, carapace, maniac, unyielding

[fleet thicket]

this talent also

[tall torrent]

and it's boosting ADM

[fleet thicket]

isnt that useful with my build

as combat axe give damage to everything

[junior needle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c4ffee5-0b8f-4f49-a965-96797bb2c5d9/hold-the-trigger

[tall torrent]

if the ADM doesn't suck horribly, it's not very high value

[fleet thicket]

i see oaky

[junior needle]

Someone on the subreddut posted this build and is now upset after being downvoted for it

[last parcel]

[tall torrent]

rending strikes is way better than onslaught and it's still a "maybe"

[vague smelt]

So any builds for Bolt pistol

or what

[fleet thicket]

hmm okay

[junior needle]

It didn't have cycler on the power sword either, he changed it after people called that out

But it still has wrath

[quick burrow]

I'm so torn on ciag vs recon haha I love them both

[last parcel]

wrath sounds cool therefore it's bis

[fleet thicket]

i think the crit rending thing would be good

when im running chainaxe i htink

[tall torrent]

it's not

[fleet thicket]

cuz chainaxe got terrible

carapce

[tall torrent]

no??

[last parcel]

huh

[tall torrent]

chainaxe literally 1 taps crushers

[fleet thicket]

hmm okay

[tall torrent]

it's like the only thing it's good at lol

[fleet thicket]

oh okay

hmm

what do you think will benefit

shotguns then?

[tall torrent]

benefit from what

[fleet thicket]

anything from

right side

of th talent tree

this is another oen of my

[vague smelt]

what are the perks and blessings this weapon needs

[fleet thicket]

infiltrate builds

tbf

[tall torrent]

u wanna just vc

[fleet thicket]

sure

give me a sec

[tall torrent]

I just got home and am tired of typing

[fleet thicket]

sure sure

which strike team?

[tall torrent]

8

[last parcel]

maniac + elite

[vague smelt]

Not flak?

Man this recoil is awful

[last parcel]

elite/unarmoured gives dreg gunner oneshot and you already oneshot scab gunner without perks
i guess flak makes the scab rager 2shot puncture combo kill faster and probably mauler bodyshots

[vague smelt]

Not a really fun weapon

back to lasguns

[last parcel]

that was fast

[vague smelt]

I mean I look for efficiency and this gun does not show it after trying it with LC

[fading grove]

Oof 66% damage fucked that roll just ditch mobility

[vague smelt]

I already tried a 80 with headhunter

[fading grove]

Bolt pistol just sucks ass right now

[vague smelt]

Amazing game design

[fading grove]

Till they nerf revolver and give bolt some love it’s trash

[vague smelt]

Hey at least they buffed my favourite las gun

for some reason

[junior needle]

These responses had me dying.

[marble mantle]

How tall can you be while still hiding behind cover? Do y’all know?

[junior needle]

You mean the recons? It's because they were very undertuned.

[vague smelt]

You think?

I think VIIa was good enough already

[junior needle]

While you may subjectively not mind according to personal preferences, on an objective measure all the recons were dogshit numerically. Especially compared to their close counterparts, the iag's.

[vague smelt]

What they changed about Mark II?

[junior needle]

More base damage, changed the adm's a bit so it's the same across all models.

The dps is now similar across all models as well

[vague smelt]

why did they buff the ammo on VIIa

[junior needle]

It uses 2 ammo per shot, still not the highest ammo efficiency variant but not the worst.

6d is now the worst and received unnecessary nerfs on top, like reload speed and handling

[vague smelt]

So it's an improvement

[languid dune]

I haven't actually seen much of the new Recon Lasguns, how are they?

[junior needle]

Better than they used to be but not iag tier

[vague smelt]

For me VIIA was amazing but now it's even better

[junior needle]

You aren't basically trolling for taking them anymore

[vague smelt]

Wdym trolling I always used it properly

[languid dune]

I never really played around with them in the past, what would be the best to start out with?

[junior needle]

The issue with them is that, even if you use them "properly", their numbers were just bad

2 or 7a

7a has the bonus of cleave

[vague smelt]

VIIa is slow but good damage
VId is fast low damage
II is average

[junior needle]

They all do about the same dps now

2 has the highest ammo efficiency

7a is close and also has cleave

[vague smelt]

Hm I want to craft a MK2 now

[mossy monolith]

[vague smelt]

What difficulty

[mossy monolith]

3

[vague smelt]

well fair

[mossy monolith]

it was hard since some maps are either too open or too close, and some has those berks

[worldly root]

does that achievement count if you take toughness but no hp

or does it have to be no hits at all

[junior needle]

yes

[languid dune]

I'll give the 2 or 7a a try

[junior needle]

as long as your hp doesn't take damage

[languid dune]

If Hadron allows it

[worldly root]

word

[mossy monolith]

you can get shot, and hit, as long as you don't go below 100 toughness

[junior needle]

You HAVE to be in the game from the countdown lobby though

[worldly root]

makes sense

[junior needle]

It's melee damage

So you can take one hit at 100%

But no chip allowed

[mossy monolith]

if your above 100 toughness and get hit by melee, you will not lose health, but if it does go below, then you take health dmg

[junior needle]

And you can take ranged damage

[mossy monolith]

hound pound are safe as well, they don't do health dmg, only corrupt

[junior needle]

Hounds will fuck it iirc

[mossy monolith]

they the same as grim

[junior needle]

Unless that's changed

[junior needle]

I do hope that is the case

[worldly root]

i remember being very close to the end of a level with no melee damage taken then a chaos spawn decided to pop up and focus me 💔

[junior needle]

Because the dogs nudging you slightly was bullshit

I did it before those were written though

[mossy monolith]

you can lose health if you get shot and you will be fine

its only melee dmg

use shout as much as you can

[dreamy spade]

I did that achievement by accident on auric lol

[mossy monolith]

and this is the mvp

[fading yarrow]

Can't attach images yet, so:

Just rolled a 380 Mark 3 Power Sword - 70 damage, 72 finesse, 79 cleave targets, 80 mobility, 79 cleave damage

Is this worth upgrading or should I look for more allocation into damage or finesse?

[midnight totem]

do you have power cycler 4 already?

[wild vortex]

is this salvageable

or do I just let it lie in a corner

[fading yarrow]

If that's a Blessing, then no. At least not unlocked at Hadron

[midnight totem]

may as well upgrade it then, hope you get power cycler 4

[fading yarrow]

Alrighty

[midnight totem]

if you do, its worth using, if not, whelp*

[fading yarrow]

Btw, I've considered taking a bunch of my low score grey weapons and upgrading them to farm Blessings since I have next to none, is that smart or a waste of resources?

[lofty citrus]

Bro I'm still here, and I"m not mad at the downvotes, I don't understand why yall are shitting on me like this when I post a memey build. Also shouldn't I take your advice if it's good? Whats with the toxicity

[midnight totem]

There's two different trains of thought for that, one, upgrading to blue does use the least amount of plasteel, will get you the most amount of blessings total, but I personally think the chance for tier 4 blessings is reduced

[wild vortex]

just discovered normal shotgun blessings don't apply to this shotgun for some stupid reason, wtf

that's so lame

[midnight totem]

the other is upgrading to orange, uses the most plasteel, but I think gives the best chance at tier 4 blessings

And if its a low score grey weapon

[wild vortex]

now I don't even have good blessings, I just have Both Barrels, Speedload and Scattershot

[midnight totem]

well even if you got the best blessings/perks on it

it'd still be a terrible base weapon

[junior needle]

Not too low. It's theorized but not confirmed that modifier rating affects crafting chances even in the level 30 range.

[gilded rock]

Double Barrel feels like crack cocaine with Always Prepared

Definitely my favorite part of the new update

[wild vortex]

why?

[midnight totem]

I'd rather farm a bunch of a high rating grey weapons and try to get what perks/blessings I want on those

[midnight totem]

because the base rating is still low

[wild vortex]

err did you see the stat spread?

[junior needle]

I had no clue the author would be in here It really did come across like an honest recommendation and not a "I did this for funnies, don't actually do this"

[fading yarrow]

Got Rampage 3 and Sunder 4 on the Power Sword

[drowsy aspen]

New recon lasguns are so good

[wild vortex]

75 or+ on damage, stopping power, and range. 70+ on reload too even though I'll use it with Weapon Specialist

[lofty citrus]

You're still saying the build is dogshit though right? Like my guy, do you expect everything on the sub to be crafted just for you?

I didn't post the build to reddit by the way, I posted a video of me playing with it, then linked it in my profile. Don't act like some smug asshat

[marble mantle]

What do y’all suggest for a melee shout build? Talent wise

[junior needle]

I mean, cyclerless psword with wrath is objectively bad. Has nothing to do with me eprsonally. There's also no need for namecalling, please relax

[lofty citrus]

Bro, I posted a video. Not a build. Why are you insisting on acting like I'm a dumbass.

Stop being toxic for no reason

You're gatekeeping

[marble mantle]

What

[junior needle]

Uh, huh.

[lofty citrus]

So whats your problem with my post then?

[junior needle]

I don't think I'm being toxic or uh

"gatekeeping"

[marble mantle]

Anyway

[lofty citrus]

So what is your problem then?

[junior needle]

You also did, provably, link your build in a comment and direct people to it.

[lofty citrus]

Yeah because people enjoyed the video

Is that a problem?

[junior needle]

You can do whatever your heart desires, but people can be inclined to comment if they feel it's poorly made.

Please don't take it personally

[lofty citrus]

You didn't comment "build bad" you came into this discord, linked my post and shit on me to this community

You called me out here

[junior needle]

I didn't call you out, your name isn't in the posts

[lofty citrus]

Bro, whats the account named

[junior needle]

You called yourself out just now

[lofty citrus]

Bro

[celest rock]

I just got the MkVIIa with Dumdum and Headhunter 4

That thing SLAPS

[junior needle]

Uh lemme check

[lofty citrus]

Whats this then?

[junior needle]

Me commenting on the build

[lofty citrus]

Really? Whats the face emoji?

what does that mean

[junior needle]

I believe it's called kek ogryn

[lofty citrus]

Oh its laughing? whats the subject of that sentence?

Its "he" not "the build"

You were laughing at me

[junior needle]

Oh I see, your gameslantern profile has your discord name

[lofty citrus]

Your words

[junior needle]

I didn't even look at it

But it is funny when someone comes across as recommending something, defends it, and then changes it despite defending it

[lofty citrus]

When did I defend the power sword?

Please link

Was the sword in the video?

[junior needle]

You got a bit indignant when people disapproved of the build, don't no what else to tell you

[lofty citrus]

I don't care that you don't like the build

I care that you came to a relatively public space and are shitting on me, the person

[junior needle]

Well this is enough off topic, we can continue this in DM's in you like

[lofty citrus]

Now that you are at fault you want to make this private? how convenient for you

If only you respected me that much

[junior needle]

Well, there's reason to air out personal grievances in a game discord. However you did publicly put out something on multiple sites.

[lofty citrus]

So it's my fault that you are insulting me?

[junior needle]

[whole moon]

Any of the new weapons worth incorporating into a Vet build?

[hearty panther]

kinda all of them

well i guess not the pickaxe

[junior needle]

No one has insulted you personally. You can message me or we can not continue.

[whole moon]

Fair. I tend to favour the dashing in your face psword with a plasma backup right now if it helps

[somber axle]

Boltpistol is very fun for a Marksman's Focus build because of Deadly Accurate/Surgical. The combo lets it hit funny breakpoints that even the Boltgun can't hit

But it takes a lot of practice to adjust to the aim because of the recoil/sway

[whole moon]

I'll have a play when I feel back up to speed. Still relearning a lot

Ty tho

[gilded rock]

I think an angry loose cannon vet with one of the pickaxes would be funny

[vernal harbor]

shovels and pickaxes turned out to be a good weapon for killing thousands of people

[hearty panther]

oh thats not news

[vernal harbor]

what a financial success

[whole moon]

Diggy diggy hole

[gilded rock]

Is this game subconsciously programming us that manual labor is awesome

It's working, love me shovels

[somber axle]

Loose Cannon Vet feels really thematically appropriate for a corrupt Enforcer with the new cosmetics

Good Cop Bad Cop routine with the Psyker Savant personality

[faint beacon]

or Ex-Hiveganger

But thats just me

[celest rock]

Shotgun goes great with weapon specialist, agile engagement and stealth

[somber axle]

That too

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent hey i forgot to ask

[vernal harbor]

manual labor does in fact kick ass

[fleet thicket]

if i want to run

shock maul

[gilded rock]

I would've disagreed if I didn't hear a new voice line from mine just last night going "Work? I love work. Could watch it all night" while in a hot factory area

[fleet thicket]

on vet what

talents you recommed as must have

for infiltrate build?

[somber axle]

Low Profile is the only talent node under Infiltrate that I think is important regardless of what build I'm playing

Surprise Attack is the one you can ignore most because the extra damage isn't for a long enough duration to justify it for breakpoints unless you're doing Knife 1HKO Crusher memes pretending to be a Shroud Zealot

[celest rock]

Low profile feels especially insane right now with all the gunners

They just kinda stand there

[somber axle]

Overwatch is good to have but unnecessary imo

[somber axle]

Yes definitely and it lets you set up shots on elites/specials better

The only cost is that the aggro gets dumped into your team instead so you have to use the window of time to make it count

It can be a team benefit if you use the time free of aggro to take out high priority threats quick

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent i was wondering if recipocity

is good on that

[celest rock]

If you can take out a half dozen gunners or a handful of snipers and bombers it's worth it

[somber axle]

Yes definitely

It's about using that time to help the team

[tall torrent]

if ur playing knife / tac axe / columnus mk5 autogun

[celest rock]

Issue is, one stealth player on a team can be a huge boon

[fleet thicket]

okay then

[celest rock]

2 is a hindrance

Just like the new shotty. 1 is Great. Helps you one tap muties and deal with waves of ragers

2 sucks

[hearty panther]

its counter intuitive but really if you use stealth the goal is to be in stealth for as little time as possible lol

but still using your ability

[celest rock]

Yup. Unlike on the zealot

[tall torrent]

no

4 is great

[hearty panther]

nah the zealot too

[tall torrent]

👍

4 shotguns

[hearty panther]

you jsut wanna blow out a bunch of damage

[celest rock]

Emergency revives, really bad situations, and the occasional clutch

[tall torrent]

quad shotgun is real

[hearty panther]

charge heavy - ult - heavy again

everything else is ultra situational

[faint beacon]

Vets, is she a keeper or get something better

[hearty panther]

its why low profile kicks ass, its as close to attacking from stealth as you can get

[tall torrent]

it's a mk3 so

[faint beacon]

I have plans

[tall torrent]

keep till crafting update

[hearty panther]

and 10s is stupid generous lol

[faint beacon]

that I cannot share

for the haters

will compromise

[celest rock]

I had something else selected by accident the other day and was wondering why my stealth vet felt so fucking bad

[hearty panther]

dude i repeatedly

[celest rock]

That one talent makes the build feel so much better

[hearty panther]

mistake the TDR node

fukken hurts

[celest rock]

EXACTLY what i did

Coming from playing crit zealot forever, running my stealth vet again made me get better at the game

Agile engagement/weapon spec/stealth with shotgun is a great build and i love it. But you've gotta be on your shit

[tall torrent]

quad shotgun squad

[last parcel]

8 barrels of death on route

[tall torrent]

nurgle's strongest followers vs 4 shotguns

[midnight totem]

It's too bad we don't have the doomstick

Imagine 16 barrels in a squad

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent btw what do you think of the new

shock mauls on vet?

[tall torrent]

they're ok

best for zealot tho

[zenith helm]

good or bad ?

[midnight totem]

Decent. But I think that's only 2 stamina

Not 3

[last parcel]

imposetr

[somber axle]

Dude the returning players are so rude

I've only had 2 people on my block list for years and now I've got one more

[fleet thicket]

whats wrong?

did they drop the n word?

[somber axle]

backseating driving and cursing at me for not carrying them when they died

[zenith helm]

I have one with +2 Stamina too

[somber axle]

specator mode potato people trying to tell me how to play LOL

I even gave them a med stim earlier because they kept eating shit

they still died

unreal to have this trash talk while laying in the dumpster

[mental cloud]

Team wipes on auric heresy and reg heresy have been an issue for like never before lol

[somber axle]

There are a lot of returning players because of all the new content and they really suck and I could forgive that since everyone can be rusty after a long break

But no excuse for being a rude dude

You can suck, you can be rude, but being both is just dumb

[mental cloud]

That’s fair

[somber axle]

You'd think being on their knees so often would humble them but they just get more tilted and start blaming others for it

[white minnow]

people expect so much out of pub teammates

like, go do premades for that

[somber axle]

They've got no shame, they've got no game, and they're making it everyone's problem but their own LOL

[mental cloud]

Yup and keep throwing themselves at everything 🤦🏻‍♂️

[white minnow]

tfw the accessible public random matchmaking has variances in player performance

what a shocker

people should just go get friends or acquaint themselves with other people on this discord and play with them for reliability

[somber axle]

I would play with people here but a big part of my gimmick is being sneaky

The clown dances only for close friends and for randoms in quickplay

Plus I love the chaos of quickplay

It's usually fun when someone isn't being rude

[jaunty fiber]

That seems like a really oddly global statement for one person you blocked.

[somber axle]

Yeah the recent update has brought in a lot of very bad elements to the community

[jaunty fiber]

The community is laced with bad elements all the time, that's not what's caused it.

It's whatever, I'm surprised you have enough patience to even have 3 blocks only

[wise jackal]

I would never block anyone as much as i can

Naturally on the off chance i can get back at em

[jaunty fiber]

That's a recipe for an aneurysm

[stoic basalt]

anyone who has more use with it is this a good roll for my "stop resisting" stick?

[wanton dawn]

Can't go to auric without learning how to block

[stoic basalt]

aside from the falter

gonna get something else there

[clear lantern]

Submit to hadron and obtain blessing

[stoic basalt]

FUUUUUUUUU I JUST EARNED BLESSING

I HIT THE WRONG BUTTON

[jaunty fiber]

That's a glorious fuckup

[clear lantern]

Good

[jaunty fiber]

Go with the Emperor

[clear lantern]

Seek out new.blessings

[stoic basalt]

im gonna go get turned into a servitor now

prolly gonna get recycled soon due to messing stuff up even then

oh I am so pissed, haaaaaaaa

[jaunty fiber]

Well remember this. Hopefully you'll learn to be way more paranoid of misclicks in the future

Like me

[snow pendant]

any1 find the new weapons replacing old ones ? even after building decent ones i just go back to my old gears

[jaunty fiber]

I like the maul. The bolt pistol needs a damage buff

At least to be on par with the revolver

Also it should be king of body shot damage

[junior needle]

Apparently the indig shock maul is pretty good, but apart from that uh

[snow pendant]

the maul for what ? ogryns ?

[jaunty fiber]

It's a fucking rocket bullet ffs

[junior needle]

Wasn't impressed by the shotgun or the bolt pistol

[jaunty fiber]

The shotgun's nice, bolt pistol is sadly mid

[stoic basalt]

im enjoying that one, it is not great for hordes tho, animation has very poor screen range

[snow pendant]

i tried the sticks but aside from tickling the shield ogryns so u can smash their head in i dont find anything so good about it , even against hordes of chaff

[junior needle]

Are you using skull crusher?

[snow pendant]

the slow fire rate , recoil then really subpar damage isnt doing it for me too either

[misty finch]

indig with trauma and skull crusher, hammer of faith, weakspot stagger is a bulldozer in auric

[junior needle]

I heard that one makes a big difference

[stoic basalt]

nope, didnt have that buff yet, missing 2 level 3 ones and I assume thats one I am missing

[jaunty fiber]

it can be slow, it can be wild, it just needs to do more damage

[snow pendant]

nah it isnt doing that dmg

[stoic basalt]

trauma and skull crusher you say? will pray that I get those blessings

[jaunty fiber]

That....is my point. It's NOT doing that damage

You can shoot a dude in the arm with a revolver and he dies

[junior needle]

People typically recommend the damage to electrocuted and skullcrusher

[jaunty fiber]

You literally cannot do that with the boltpistol

[misty finch]

ill get on n share my roll its not the best but it gets the job done

[snow pendant]

bolt pistol breakpoint is really poor

[somber axle]

No not at all. I've played bunches and it's nothing like this

Even the Penance update didn't bring in such rude people

People were rusty, yeah

But they weren't rude

[jaunty fiber]

Girl, it's not that deep

[somber axle]

Now a lot of quickplay matches have people arguing and it's dumb

[jaunty fiber]

It was one guy, you've not shown me proof of it being "people".

[somber axle]

I think it speaks volumes that I have played 1000 hours and only ever added 2 people to the block list despite living in quickplay

until today

[hearty panther]

i have a clutch recorded and it wasnt until i rewatched it that i noticed one guy was talking with his mic the entire 6 fucking minutes

[tall torrent]

Not really

[somber axle]

I often see people arguing in text and voice

[hearty panther]

because i always have voip off

[somber axle]

I don't do callouts here. Throwing names is an offense to get aggro from mods

Believe what you want

[wanton dawn]

I love seeking proof of people having being asshat to me. It lightens my mood up

[hearty panther]

and i am forever thankful for my wisdom

[somber axle]

Or play quickplay aurics and feel the tilt

[terse idol]

I mean, what kinda dude

[somber axle]

My guess is that Helldivers 2 players are trickling into the community

[terse idol]

[gilded rock]

groaner

[somber axle]

Those people are crazy and not in the good way LOL

[jaunty fiber]

certainly not a poxwalker

[terse idol]

Just run + groaner/pox

Or just +pox

[stoic basalt]

hang on Trauma isnt in its bless pool

[terse idol]

Boom

[wise jackal]

They realize the game was boring

[jaunty fiber]

?????

[terse idol]

The weakness vs pox is delt with

[gilded rock]

(he was 7 hp off from surviving)

[midnight totem]

in fairness, real gyrojet weapons are... not practical

[jaunty fiber]

That's so stupid. They've been playing it for months and nly NOW it gets boring?

[terse idol]

Well to be fair the bistol gas AOE so if you're shooting into pox walkers you are like staggering em

[midnight totem]

excusemoi

[hearty panther]

yaaaaaay penance armor reached

[jaunty fiber]

This is WARHAMMER 40K, practicality is the single stupidest concern to be had here lmao

[hearty panther]

and i am now a cyber falcon 😎

[last parcel]

crazy he calls me

[terse idol]

There was alot of overlap with people who play hd2 and dt

[misty finch]

heres the crusher

[midnight totem]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-owen-wilson-hansel-dont-you-know-im-loco-loco-gif-4061574

[tall torrent]

I thought u got the Moebian 6th Armor long time ago

[somber axle]

They tricked themselves into thinking they beat Sony by making them back down on the mandatory Playstation network linking when really it was only ever the European Union ready to take them to court for fraud and slap them with a bill high enough to make Sony scared. When the dust settled and the Helldivers 2 players realised that the countries without PSN support were still banned from buying the game they realised they changed their negative reviews for nothing and began crying about the next battlepass instead LOL

[wise jackal]

It took months for people to be sick of starfield

[somber axle]

Helldivers 2 discord is a cesspit

[terse idol]

Let's gooo

Yeah

[jaunty fiber]

Yeah which means they were having a good time up until then.

[tall torrent]

He asked for shock maul, not crusher

[terse idol]

I mean, its either too toxic or too toxic positive

[midnight totem]

oh, it is? I'm not in that discord

[wise jackal]

Same with helldivers

[terse idol]

The tide was turning because balance was bad

[jaunty fiber]

Bro

[terse idol]

Still kinda is, but it's a tiny bit better

[jaunty fiber]

What-fucking-ever, this is so stupid

[somber axle]

The Helldivers 2 community was very fun/good for like the first two months and then they started becoming pretty toxic. Not as toxic as League of Legends but still pretty awful LOL

I left the game because they're just so rude

[misty finch]

i was talking abt indig with him

[midnight totem]

I didn't really see any toxic people in HD2 while I was playing

but, I suppose I'm lucky

[wise jackal]

People get bored of game after a few months? Insane, preposterous.

[tall torrent]

He was asking abt shock maul

[jaunty fiber]

YEAH, which is pretty natural.

[orchid hemlock]

Always has been 🔫

[jaunty fiber]

It's a live service too so they want to avoid that, which is fair, but acting like the game just wholly sucks because people are growing tired of it sure doesn't strike me as a level-headed take

[marble mantle]

There are so many good options in the vet tree having a hard time picking

[junior needle]

(primary weapons shouldn't be allowed to be good because you always have access to them)

[gilded rock]

Almost makes you not even wanna get a keystone 🦧

[junior needle]

Also we'll make it impossible to get your old ones if you die

And the cooldowns are extremely long

[tall torrent]

There’re very few talents worth taking more than keystone

[midnight totem]

Why is my psyker getting the best double barrel I've seen from Brunt?

[wise jackal]

Never intended it as factual, just meant it as a dig tbh

[marble mantle]

Honestly like 30 points is straight up not enough lol

[misty finch]

shotgun psyker

[marble mantle]

Besides I’m still leveling, just stopped playing zealot now getting into vet

[somber axle]

I remember the memes of Malevelon Creek. We took it after so many hard fought struggles. There was a golden era and now it belongs to babies who cry at each other. I played with some of the most fun guys in quickplay back then. People would use voice and coordinate and communicate. People would tell jokes and have each other's backs. The first month was the best time of Helldivers 2. Now it's just a bunch of man-children whining at each other over grinding strats and weapon balance LOL

[misty finch]

the new double barrel needs more ammo

[marble mantle]

Wanna try n make a melee centric build

[midnight totem]

"I could use mind bullets but instead, BOOMSTICK"

[jaunty fiber]

I know. But this isn't funny anymore. People have turned gaming into a pissing match between communities and I'm so over it

[gilded rock]

+30% headshot damage is worth more than a situational +20% damage on a single taggable target that you need point investment to get

Imo at least

It definitely depends on the weapon

[tall torrent]

Your statement shows 2 things:

1. You don’t know weakspot dmg is calculated in this game
2. You don’t know how focus target works
   Which is ok because the game never bothered to explain these specifics

[marble mantle]

Also vet has the best cosmetics by far imo

[drowsy aspen]

Just wanted to share my godroll : )

[orchid hemlock]

I don't know what anecdotal experiences you had, but I'm not talking about the in game experiences.

I got banned from the reddit the week it came out because I was pointing out the media literacy of the game 💀

[gilded rock]

womp womp, I understand point tax and that is enough

[wise jackal]

I think ogryn has some good stuff

[junior needle]

This is the call of duty man channel

[tall torrent]

That’s not rly enough lol

[wise jackal]

I doubt psyker has had any good stuff

[midnight totem]

I was about to say. This is vet chat
Gtfo nerd

Kidding. Nice roll though

[wise jackal]

No wizard in a fatshark game has good cosmetics

[somber axle]

Because some game communities are legitimately bad. It's not a Darktide vs Helldivers 2 problem. It's just a lot of players being dumb and rude problem. It's universal in popular games. League of Legends has a reputation as THE most toxic community for a reason. The more competitive a game is, the dumber the people playing it get over the tiniest things. Darktide is a PvE coop squad shooter same as Helldivers 2, but it's smaller so the toxicity is harder to find. Or was until the update dropped

[misty finch]

new vet cosmetic lucifer black cosplay

[wise jackal]

It’s guaranteed with every steam comment section

[drowsy aspen]

NOOO

I have been shamed

[jaunty fiber]

The toxicity happens daily in here and it's levied toward the devs constantly. You're just not concerned with that

[somber axle]

I had really good experiences with both random dudes and my friend group playing Helldivers 2 but I abandoned the game and discord when people started being babies en masse LOL

I only look at Vet chat

I don't check other chats so idk if there's toxicity towards devs

I don't read that

[tall torrent]

@gilded rock weakspot dmg is calculated in a weird way that results in lower total dmg than what’s being suggested

[jaunty fiber]

I'm disinterested in continuing this conversation.

[tall torrent]

And focus target has a hidden mechanic that gives u a minimum refresh on stack count if u tag & kill quickly

[somber axle]

Ok we don't have to talk about it

[tall torrent]

Besides

[midnight totem]

... wait really

[tall torrent]

Most builds take precision strikes + keystone

[tall torrent]

It’s been included in my previous guide (pinned) this whole time

It’s why you never ever hold stacks on focus target

[midnight totem]

I kinda skimmed it

[tall torrent]

You’re meant to tag everything and kill them asap

[last parcel]

[tall torrent]

Too bad the entire thing is important

[somber axle]

Yeah the 2 stack on kill makes it a dream for comboing with Redirect Fire

[midnight totem]

Though I never hold stacks anyway

[somber axle]

Helps maintain breakpoints so, so well

[junior needle]

Why are people disagreeable today

[tall torrent]

Me when I condense veteran guide into shortest form possible and it’s still 70+ pages

[midnight totem]

Must be something in the water

[somber axle]

It's the heat. The world gets hotter and so do heads LOL

[quick burrow]

I blame the French always being french and giving me the crepes

[gilded rock]

Boy am I glad the game has so many lies

[midnight totem]

-rolls dice on acceptable scapegoat-

[manic cloak]

It's people after they get barreled by their teammates off the edge of the new map in the first 5 minutes

[tall torrent]

I’m just telling u this so u can make more informed decisions on builds

And yes, there still are very few talents worth prioritizing more than keystones

[gilded rock]

Still, the minimum stack only gives you a +8% damage buff and that's only for tagged targets

[midnight totem]

I love the new map for that

[tall torrent]

Which is pretty important, actually

[midnight totem]

But it really is too many gdi barrels there

[gilded rock]

Trash mobs, which are now increasingly important for whatever reason, can not be tagged

[tall torrent]

Because focus target + redirect fire gives breakpoints for most weapons

[manic cloak]

Weapon Specialist is king for this.

[gilded rock]

Hence the "depends on weapon"

[somber axle]

I know how you feel. When I learned how Close Damage actually works I was thinking whoever wrote the tooltips in Darktide did a terrible job explaining anything

[manic cloak]

Number Cat coming in vet chat strong today

[tall torrent]

There’re very few weapons that don’t benefit from focus target + redirect fire

And very few builds don’t take precision strikes

[orchid hemlock]

How does close damage actually work?

[midnight totem]

Funnily enough

[gilded rock]

Oh I already knew it was filled with lies LOL but my level of familiarity was with the zealot tree

[orchid hemlock]

Oh no I woke the lions den 😔

[terse idol]

Ah! Am I late?!
Basically, I mean yeah people are burnt out
The updates are literally all premium besides a few free (I thought they were gonna release a big free warbond every few months but if it's gonna be all paid, it's fucked)

[midnight totem]

My vd6 build doesn't take precision strikes

[terse idol]

It's no kidding people are getting tired

[quick burrow]

Didnt the devs say before they dislike freedom of information because they want players to figure it out and not make everything number crunching ?

[manic cloak]

I'm still loving this game after getting the 4.5K penance reward.

Been playing nonstop since Feb/March

[somber axle]

It gives you the full damage bonus between 0m to 8m and then gives a scaling down damage bonus from 9m to 30m. Targets beyond 30m do not receive any damage bonus from Close Damage. Most engagements happen within the 0m to 30m range so the damage buff is usually active whenever you're fighting something and it's why Dum Dum is a best in slot blessing for pretty much any and every gun you can get it on

[orchid hemlock]

Everything is more profitable if you can keep everyone having an attention span of a squirrel

[somber axle]

It also makes Close Quarters Kill Zone crazy

[terse idol]

Darktides still darktide, it's good

[wise jackal]

Freedom of information is a strong word kek, more like they want you to discover it organically

[quick burrow]

I meant it like they didn't want the info given freely like they don't list breakdowns or numbers just basic stuff

[terse idol]

It becomes number crunchy anyways

[tall torrent]

I’m not joking when I say that all 70+ pages in my guide are important unskippable information

[terse idol]

Like, if you choose not to explain your mechanics

That ACTUALLY MATTER

[quick burrow]

It does haha for sure become that but it's just way harder to do it

[junior needle]

Think it's more that whoever is in charge of the tooltips does it very poorly and doesn't get held accountable for it. Rampage has been giving power for a very long time now, still listed as damage. DS has been stacking to 5, still no mention.

[terse idol]

Yeah people are gonna want guides

[wise jackal]

They do when asked, thats how a lot of the best guides and resources are made

[manic cloak]

Trench Fighter + Desperado is too good to go all in on Focus Target.

[tall torrent]

Trench fighter does not work the way u think it does

[austere pine]

it's all coming together

[manic cloak]

Alright, keep your secrets then Numbers Cat.

[wise jackal]

Baby screenshot

[somber axle]

Maybe a translation issue? They're not a BIG company so maybe their English localization team isn't so good?

They could be contracting out the localization to a third party

But who knows?

[tall torrent]

+melee atk speed actually modifies your attacks’ combo chain values

[terse idol]

Its hardly secrets we have guides

[tall torrent]

What this means is

Take an extreme example

EV15

Heavy overhead into block is very slow

If u have a lot of +atk speed

[junior needle]

The mods on this discord all speak english and some of them also work on the game, including editing things themselves by admission.

[tall torrent]

This becomes noticeably faster

[junior needle]

There's really no excuse

[tall torrent]

Allowing u to recover from that attack faster

[terse idol]

Its the issue that it just sits there unchanged for like months

Well years

[manic cloak]

This doesn't make it less relevant for the majority of weapons

[tall torrent]

But in terms of dps

+10% atk speed does not actually translate to +10% dps

At least for melee weapons

[somber axle]

True but they're not the localization team, right? Those changes have to get approval from whoever is in charge of that stuff. Plus it's probably a problem of kicking the can down the road repeatedly on doing a big overhaul of tooltip writing vs higher priority pipeline things

[tall torrent]

Rashad 3 hit crusher goes from avg 1926 to 2040 smth

[somber axle]

Though yeah they're definitely taking WAY too long to properly write anything

[tall torrent]

What matters is cost vs value

If ur weapon doesn’t have immaculately slow recovery from some attacks

It drops value a lot

[manic cloak]

And I'm finding almost zero value going all in on FT over WS.

[tall torrent]

Sure, it makes ur atks safer in terms of commitment

But the dps change is not that huge

[tall torrent]

FT is not worth going all in on, and neither is WS

In most cases u only want FT + redirect fire, and WS (in some cases, with always prepared)

[manic cloak]

You only need first node of WS

[last parcel]

nah i take all 5 subnodes

[somber axle]

I will always love Target Down (even when not doing Deadshot memes)

[tall torrent]

The difference is that

FT has ogryn Dmg right before it

[junior needle]

It's a change that takes less than 5 minutes to make. It's not that demanding.

[austere pine]

i'm not taking screenshot of names or titles in order

[tall torrent]

Which impacts ur breakpoints more than atk speed does

[austere pine]

could show more than i'd like

[tall torrent]

And elite dmg on left side also impacts ur breakpoints

It’s hard to take elite dmg + ogryn dmg + atk speed at the same time without dropping smth really important

[last parcel]

cough

iron will

[tall torrent]

And in most cases, elite & ogryn dmg change ur dps more than atk speed does

[somber axle]

They have to get the dumb approval from Microsoft or something yeah? It's why we had a recent issue with cosmetics not dropping the day they were expected. Idk the specifics but it sounds like any change has to be forwarded over for approval to a weird number of talking heads

[terse idol]

I guess it's the difference between 10% animation speed compared to like a 10-20% actual damage increase per shot or something

[terse idol]

Not taking the reload perk for WS

That's craay

What's your primary?

[manic cloak]

Depends on what secondary you use

[terse idol]

Or agile engagement

[junior needle]

Patches go through MS QA for xbox versions, but they choose what to submit for the patches. There have been many patches where this was an issue and could've been addressed.

[terse idol]

🥺

[tall torrent]

Yea, u dropped stam regen boost & demo team

[junior needle]

They don't have to make one individually for the tooltips. They can however put it in with any other.

[manic cloak]

I got rid of Demo Team months ago. Not worth.

[tall torrent]

For frags it’s worth

[manic cloak]

Refuse to drop a point in it

Nah, innate regen gives you enough to keep up with horde spawn rates.

[tall torrent]

Besides, idk what gun ur taking with that build

That requires survivalist

Plasma?

[dreamy lantern]

na no editing of our own, just suggestions

no clue who does translation or descriptions

[tall torrent]

Cuz if ur using plasma, ur missing breakpoints with that

[terse idol]

Maybe I'm crazy, but WS without agile is wild

[tall torrent]

Plasma needs ranged dmg nodes + precision strikes + superiority complex + redirect fire/longshot

Redirect/longshot is for dreg gunner & both flamer 1HS non-crit

Very important breakpoints

[manic cloak]

Who is non-criting with plasma with all the other perks and not rolling Gets Hot all day long?

[tall torrent]

Why would u say no to consistent breakpoints

[manic cloak]

Because I can keep from being a potato in melee otherwise.

[dreamy lantern]

can always feed this stuff back through #🎒support-issues if u notice anything u want changed

[tall torrent]

It’s just 1 point in longshot

[manic cloak]

Which is still a dyanmic variable based on distance.

[tall torrent]

8m+

[manic cloak]

The same way critting is

[tall torrent]

No big deal

[terse idol]

Critting is just less consistent to be fair

[tall torrent]

Undervaluing non-crit breakpoint on veteran is pretty crazy

[manic cloak]

Not with Get's Hot, if we are still talking Plasma here for secondary

[upbeat snow]

has hadron been kind to me chat?

[terse idol]

It'@ 50%

Or is it 40 now

Anyways!

Still it's a coinflip

Out of your control

[tall torrent]

It’s at 40% unless u reach above 92% visual heat

[terse idol]

Why not just make it instead 100% kill without crit

[manic cloak]

If we are just talking the talent. Not the WS proc, and innate crit from the tree.

[celest cove]

Just tried a shovel for the first time and damn, that is shocking good

[terse idol]

It's still inconsistant

[tall torrent]

What melee are u running with that

[terse idol]

Like I dunno what this argument is

[junior needle]

Huh, thought you said something about fixing some of the info in the weapon inspect screens at one point.

[terse idol]

Either you choose to take 1 talent for a consistent 1 hit non-crit breakpoint

[manic cloak]

The argument is the statement that a talent tree can only go one set of options to be viable to hit 1 or 2 breakpoints, commiting all in on range and doing nothing for melee.

[dreamy lantern]

i feed back issues on stuff when i see it, but i'm not a dev lmao

[manic cloak]

Which is not true.

[terse idol]

Or you don't and now you're running the rng on whether or not you'll be able to 1 shot something

[tall torrent]

Wdym doing nothing for melee

Focus target is not ranged dmg only

[terse idol]

I just don't think you're missing out on melee purely by taking WS

Like that supplements alot, and unless you're running a rashad

[tall torrent]

What melee are u even running with that build

[manic cloak]

I do main Rashad

[tall torrent]

Take CQKZ over reciprocity then

[terse idol]

What's you're rashad build I guess is my followup

[manic cloak]

What breakpoint is that changing?

[tall torrent]

Bulwark 2 hit non-crit on demand

[manic cloak]

Assuming no headtaker stacks?

[tall torrent]

And makes up for ur lack of longshot

[tall torrent]

Headtaker does not send u over bulwark 2 hit unless u have +elite/unyielding on ur Rashad

It’s missing like 200 dmg after 2 overheads, with FT + redirect fire

[austere pine]

man how stupid is it that with a certain build it is slightly viable to shoot carapce with a lasgun

[tall torrent]

WS gives up FT + RF’s dmg boost so ur even further off from the 2 hit breakpoint

[austere pine]

infantry i should mention

[tall torrent]

Reciprocity is really good for knife / tac axe / Columnus mk5

It’s not nearly as strong as it seems for most other weapons

U get about 10% faster boss killing with reciprocity if the boss is targeting u

Since reciprocity is easier to stack to full in 1v1 boss

[junior needle]

Just remember that reci has scuffed activation on ranged attacks

[tall torrent]

And for melee weapons if ur doing too well in killing/controlling horde, say goodbye to reciprocity uptime

[junior needle]

Trve

[tall torrent]

It’s sorta counterintuitive in that sense

[upbeat snow]

idk what benefits shotgun(not double barrel) best in terms of blessings n perks

[foggy wadi]

is shot gun good now then?

[tall torrent]

Terrifying barrage -> no respite
Weakspot dmg -> maniac/flak

[tall torrent]

It’s in a weird spot for veteran

[foggy wadi]

dang. i have a few good ones that i play with on lower difficulty. its a fun to play with.

[tall torrent]

It’s more useful for zealot in combo with throwing knives & manstopper blessing

Flexible high stagger tool for close-mid range special sniping and enabling railgun throwing knife

[foggy wadi]

oh? i use that hand gun on zealot. mayne i should change to the shot gun i have

[tall torrent]

Pairs well with zealot’s anoint in blood as well

[tall torrent]

Revolver is good

[upbeat snow]

too poor to feed shotguns for blessings, i dont have enough plasteel

[tall torrent]

Manstopper shotgun is just really funny on zealot because throwing knives inherit manstopper’s infinite cleave

[austere pine]

i need to know

did rager attack speed get buffed?

[hearty panther]

tes

yes

[austere pine]

fucking

i knew it

them dudes are attacking stupid fast now

screenshot of shame

[upbeat snow]

specifically dreg ragers tho right?

[hearty panther]

yes

[foggy wadi]

im waiting on a fix for my audio. until then i cant try any of this stuff out 😦

[upbeat snow]

cuz they gots no bulky armor weighing em down

[terse idol]

At least cut it off on 2 letters lord

[austere pine]

vile fucking people actually

[terse idol]

Yeah

[austere pine]

i'm not playing a whole fucking mission with an idiot like that

[hearty panther]

wish you could block proactively

[foggy wadi]

I know i asked in gen chat but just in case. anyone know how to fix the audio not working at all?

[austere pine]

wish you could just... kick people without a 3-man agreement somehow

[hearty panther]

Iike there's no reason i would want that idiot to fall into my lobby before blocking him lol

[tall torrent]

Have u tried verifying file integrity (steam)

[marble mantle]

Holy nuts the recon lasguns fuck

[foggy wadi]

i have on the launcher and from my installed files.

i have done this a few times on both and restarted my PC.

[unreal bone]

Accatran feels a lot better

no idea if I'm using an optimal build

[foggy wadi]

I have also checked my Icue and my PC's audio. everything works fine for every other game minus darktide.

[foggy wadi]

is that the fast firing gun?

[unreal bone]

the full auto lasgun are accatran recons yes

Does anyone know if Onslaught is still required?

For the recons?

[marble mantle]

Dude I have been sleeping on this class

These talents are crazy

[unreal bone]

I have no idea if Onslaught is required

[last parcel]

if you want to shoot crushers with the VId yes

[celest rock]

[unreal bone]

my favorite lasguns are the slower ones.

VIIa and II

[last parcel]

skip it then

[marble mantle]

I’ve never really been a ranged type of guy but I literally barely used my melee last mission

Hip fire mostly too

[last parcel]

onslaught's barely usable on the VIIa even if you're going full dumbass with 10 stacks of wep spec (me)

[celest rock]

I'm currently on the MkVIIa

[unreal bone]

Atleast this black recon lasgun

looks cool

[marble mantle]

I’m low level so mkii

[tall torrent]

Try writing a report in FS forums in technical support

Report ur case in as much detail as u can

[foggy wadi]

submitted 40 mins ago.

[celest rock]

Flat rending from the middle tree seems fine

[unreal bone]

I can't decide which I like more

VIIa or II

[celest rock]

I recommend the VIIa

[unreal bone]

has the community decided which recon is the best? Is it still the VId?

[tall torrent]

No

7a or 2, pick ur poison

[celest rock]

No recoil, hits hard, so any damage steroids feel insane

[foggy wadi]

made this one like 5 months ago

guess i can use it now >_>

[austere pine]

i can't play with zealots who barely shoot but take all the fucking ammo

when i'm playing exe stance

[celest rock]

Elites perk is kinda scuffed

And damage could be a bit higher

[austere pine]

the only thing he needs to know as a zealot when playing with a vet is that i am playing exe stance and that shooters don't exist if i have bullets

[celest rock]

But headhunter and dumdum feels great lol

[fleet thicket]

@tall torrent hey i remember you were talking about accatrans on vc btw

[austere pine]

but i guess big man had other ideas

[fleet thicket]

which accatran works

with onslaught agian?

[austere pine]

isn't soldier 69 the recon guy?

who's the guy with clown science

[foggy wadi]

Love this gun so much.

[unreal bone]

Loaded up the maelstrom

7 bosses in a row

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

[tall torrent]

6d
But 6d is prob the worst recon rn

[unreal bone]

Chaos Spawn > Plague Ogryn > Beast of Nurgle > Chaos Spawn > Beast of Nurgle > etc etc

like bruhhhh

[tall torrent]

Sneaky cat

[foggy wadi]

do i take out demolition stock pile and put the point in redirect fire?

[tall torrent]

No

[foggy wadi]

dang, i dont know what to do take out to get redirect

[tall torrent]

What does ur tree look like

And why do u need redirect fire

If not for meeting breakpoints

[foggy wadi]

thought the tagging was the way to go?

[tall torrent]

It’s the most generalist keystone yea

[foggy wadi]

i dont know how you guys take those full sceen shots of the tress

[tall torrent]

Gameslantern website

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[somber axle]

VId still has the best Crusher kill time and isn't reliant on 10 stack Marksman's Focus with 10% rending from both Rending Strikes and Chink in their Armour to kill Crushers with a good TTK/DPS but yeah for general Flak/Unyielding targets the Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa are both better

[tall torrent]

Yea yea yea

[somber axle]

They all have pros and cons

[tall torrent]

It’s still the worst recon overall

[somber axle]

Worst is a harsh phrase

It's still very strong imo

And is the most unique variant of the Recons

[tall torrent]

Right, let’s put it as “the weakest recon overall”

[somber axle]

A very fun gun that performs very well

[tall torrent]

Better

[austere pine]

it's still a recon which makes me feel icky about it

should i try it after the buffs?

[somber axle]

My testing vs Maulers, Flak Ragers, Reapers and Maulers only showed that the Mk II and Mk VIIa compete on damage when at 10 stack MF with the extra 10% rending from Chink in their armour

So like yeah if you can maintain 10 stack MF then they're better

If you're not running Marksman's Focus on the other two variants?

They fall behind

It's very context dependent here

[tall torrent]

They’re better just because they’re generally better vs anything that doesn’t require onslaught juice

[austere pine]

mf yuck

[foggy wadi]

@tall torrent

[somber axle]

The only thing that can be said with 100% certainty regardless of build is that the Recon Mk VId has worse ammo economy

[somber axle]

Mostly because neither of those other two variants can use Onslaught to any serious effect and it's better to use Marksman's Focus with Chink in their Armour

VIIa especially struggles from squeezing any value out of Onslaught

It's just straight up bad to use Onslaught with it

[tall torrent]

It’s better to just go focus target

Low finesse

[somber axle]

Focus Target is less DPS

[tall torrent]

Less dps than MF without rending ?

[somber axle]

I've tested in Psykanium and the best DPS for both the Mk II and Mk VIIa is from MF with rending

[tall torrent]

Ok then yea FT is better

Rending node for MF is just not worth it

[somber axle]

FT Mk II and FT Mk VIIa do less DPS than Onslaught Recon Mk VId for all targets

[tall torrent]

How much lower

[somber axle]

I know because I spent like 5 hours recording stuff and testing different builds before settling on the MF/Rending build as the optimal DPS build to compete with Recon Mk VId on flak/unyielding

[tall torrent]

And which targets

[somber axle]

probably 400-500+ DPS within 0m-7m and 300-ish less DPS at 8m+

I can do more recordings

[tall torrent]

Which targets

[somber axle]

The real reason to take Mk II and Mk VIIa is because they have better ammo efficiency

[somber axle]

Flak Ragers, Maulers, Reapers, Bulwarks

They'd also perform significantly worse vs Crushers

[mental cloud]

Vld is pig for ammo.

[tall torrent]

Oh so not actually all targets

[somber axle]

Like they're 1000+ DPS behind if you don't get Chink in their Armour and Rending Strikes on the Mk II and Mk VIIa

[tall torrent]

Just the high mass enemies that melee can deal with

[mental cloud]

But I love it.

[tall torrent]

Then yea 7a and 2 are fine

Generally better than 6d

[somber axle]

Maniac damage is comparable except for Muties where Mk VId pulls ahead again

You're really only seeing comparable TTK on softer targets

FT Mk II and FT Mk VIIa just don't compete with the DPS that Chink in their Armour + Rending Strikes give

It's also surprisingly not hard to keep 10 stack

They're both very accurate weapons and easy to control

You can do FT if you prefer but it's just all around worse

[mental cloud]

So the 7a is best to run without onslaught I take it.

So you would want that an exe build?

[somber axle]

Worse than the VId when using Focus Target, better when using MF Chink in their Armour

[tall torrent]

Then yea 7a / 2 are generally better

[somber axle]

Less DPS

Which ends up harming ammo efficiency per target too

[tall torrent]

They deal with enemies that need to get shot just fine with better ammo economy/better cleave

Without draw speed & reload speed penalties

[somber axle]

I never said they were bad, just that if your metric for good is DPS/TTK they're worse unless you run a specific build

[snow pendant]

what settings do i need to change for crosshair to show even when ads ?

[somber axle]

It's very context dependent because no Recon is better than any other variant in all situations against all targets

There's no "best" Recon

There's no "worst" Recon

There are just Recons that do some things better than others

The balance is delicious and I love it

It's really just pick which ever appeals to your preferred playstyle and have fun

Because DPS is pretty similar even among hyper juiced builds

If you're running Focus Target Recon Mk II or Recon Mk VIIa you'll be better than a Recon Mk VId without Onslaught

If you're Voice of Command + Focus Target you're way behind on DPS/TTK but it's not that big of a deal either

[tall torrent]

For my metric, they deal with the enemies that need to get shot at ~equal dps, with less point cost overall (no onslaught), no reload & swap speed penalty, and better ammo economy/cleave

For ur metric (clown juice everything), 6d is funnier

[somber axle]

DPS/TTK (single target)
Mk II > Mk VIIa > MK VId

DPS/TTK (multi target)
Mk VIIa > Mk VId > Mk II

DPS/TTK (carapace)
Mk VId > Mk VIIa > Mk II

Ammo Efficiency
Mk II > Mk VIIa > Mk VId

Recon Mk VIIa: 50-54 shots (2 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk II: 100-108 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 100-108 ammo per clip)
Recon Mk VId: 160-180 shots (1 ammo cost per shot, 160-180 ammo per clip)

So naturally Recon Mk VIIa runs through ammo per clip in a similar timeframe to VId but uses less ammo before reloading for better ammo efficiency. Mk II demolishes both on ammo efficiency because of the slow rate of fire + 1 ammo cost per shot

It's really just pick which ever you want because they're all good now

Wait lemme edit to reflect ammo cost per shot

[open totem]

much respect and appreciation for the breakdown

[somber axle]

Actually no clown juice shows that the Mk II and Mk VIIa perform BETTER when juiced vs Flak/Unyielding which was a wild thing to discover

[open totem]

I assume it's relatively similar for the infantry lasguns atm? Are they fairly comparable or is one standing out/falling behind?

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId performs better when juiced on Crusher

But if you're not juicing? You're objectively less damage than juice

[last parcel]

i can't read this without thinking of aladeen self juicing

[somber axle]

And the comparisons I posted on single target, multi-target still apply when doing non-juice set ups

[open totem]

As a wise NPC once said: "Winners don't use drugs. Unless its steroids. In which case, use lots of drugs!"

[somber axle]

LMFAO yeah

[open totem]

also, for the uninitiated, could you clue me in to what you mean by juicing?

[somber axle]

Really it's just that all Recons are comparable on all metrics other than ammo efficiency which regardless of juicing ends up still being

Recon Mk II > Recon Mk VIIa > Recon Mk VId

DPS/TTK dependent on build

and changes immensely on all targets other than the squishiest specials (trapper, snipers, bomber, etc.) based on your talent tree set up

[somber axle]

Also yes! All are comparable on DPS/TTK

Nothing is really standing out or falling behind in any significant way

It's insane that Fatshark managed to tune these guns in such a way that it comes down to playing which ever you find most fun

But I'm very happy with it LOL

[tall torrent]

Yea cuz they don’t have horrible unyielding ADM

[open totem]

right up until you get to the Bolter. My pain is eternal and I will never not complain until it feels better

[somber axle]

For reference my current fav build for Recons right now is using the Recon Mk II with Infiltrate

It feels really, really fun and I can pull off insane clutches using Infiltrate instead of Exe Stance

[atomic zephyr]

i just made a VId with infiltrate

[somber axle]

Less DPS but better utility

[atomic zephyr]

big shock trooper vibes

[frank basin]

I don’t like recon 6 being slown down on firing

[somber axle]

Plus the default skin for the Recon Mk II matches the Elysian cosmetics better

[tawny glen]

is recon lasgun good now

[open totem]

also, just to make sure I follow, could you explain what you meant by juicing?

[frank basin]

Their tuned up

[somber axle]

Yeah they did a really good job on the Recon balancing but the Boltgun vs Boltpistol debate is still hot for Vets LMFAO

[frank basin]

Is better but okay

[tawny glen]

whats the ultimate f u to shooters

i was abused recently

[open totem]

Can't speak to it on Vet, but I've been running the bolt pistol on zealot and it actually feels viable. Helps that I'm not waiting an eternity to reload

[crimson pebble]

So i know i want surgical for bolt pistol what else would i want also the one that increases explosion radius does that proc bleed if you have the bleed blessing

[open totem]

Plus the blessings for bolt pistol just feel straight up more effective that just about anything I've tried on the standard bolter

[frank basin]

Mk6 being slown on firing giving me vulnerable to chaff melee enemy when I’m focus on shooter

[last parcel]

unfortunately the explosion does not proc bleed

[atomic zephyr]

warren 6-19 is still the best mission in the game

[atomic zephyr]

puncture is ok, i use deadly accurate

[somber axle]

I like to play a VERY glass cannon high risk high reward playstyle. I grab as many ranged damage talents as possible and min max damage at the cost of survivability. Exe Stance over Voice of Command is the biggest sin for a lot of Vets here but it substantially improves TTK/DPS while giving suppression immunity and impact bonus damage. So I can stagger stunlock Ragers/Flak Ragers/Bulwarks/Reapers/Gunners/etc. out of their attack animations better for easier melting during Exe Stance and can fire pinpoint accurate while getting shot at. I still take Iron Will, Confirmed Kill and Close Quarters Drill for good toughness generation and good toughness damage reduction. But a lot of Vets consider not using Voice of Command to be too vulnerable, hence why you'll see a lot of people call my builds "juice"

[atomic zephyr]

i might be the only person actually enjoying bolt pistol, it just feels good to carefully aim and blow some poor shooter in half

[somber axle]

I'm also running triple stam curio to squeeze value out of Deadshot on Recons (yes even the new Mk VId) in combo with Focus Target + Target Down

[frank basin]

I run exe stance on agripinna revolver

[crimson pebble]

Also do you know if the explosive boost blessing is bugged i tried it the other day and was shooting the ground and it was def staggering and moving around mobs but it doesnt do any actuall dmg is this supposed to be how it is

[somber axle]

My toughness generation is actually really strong but I'm squishier than a Vet running Voice of Command, 2 Health Curios and 1 Toughness curio because my toughness/HP is much lower

[last parcel]

i noticed that too and i think it's a bug

[somber axle]

My preferred playstyle is "play perfect or die idiot" and I love how intense battles get because of it

[open totem]

Thing is, I want to like/run Executioner's. I really do. But I feel like I'm made of rice paper without the shout, and I'd like to be at least a little surivivable beyond just dps

[somber axle]

McCree High Noon gameplay

[open totem]

I respect that, but I also know for a fact I'm not good enough to keep up with that playstyle

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/space-cowboy-stickmen-toys-stickmen-toys-space-cowboy-stickmen-toys-stickmen-toys-lfg-stickmen-toys-to-the-moon-gif-26259582

[open totem]

"It's fooooouuur thirty...."

[sharp epoch]

exectuoners stance is just bad like its for killing shooters but you still get melted by them

[somber axle]

I understand completely and yeah Voice of Command is a VERY powerful survivability and support tool. It's just too good to pass up for most but I find the game dreadfully boring when I use it so I only use Exe Stance or Infiltrate on ALL my builds

I've stopped doing Medic + Voice of Command build entirely tbh

[cobalt rover]

I have a question, is first target for the combat blade important?

[somber axle]

I just don't like Voice of Command

[frank basin]

Voice of command is get out jail card

[somber axle]

Not judging anyone who does because again it's probably objectively THE best Vet ability

[frank basin]

Infinite resupply

I have my plasma vet running infiltration

[somber axle]

I'm so, so happy with this look

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-legend-of-korra-korra-its-perfect-nickelodeon-gif-4462278

[open totem]

It really is. And I'm with you on it being kinda boring. But it's also the only thing that lets my clumsy ass survive when I've got 8 crushers breathing down my neck out of nowhere

[celest rock]

Christ almighty auric dam is fuckin insane now

[frank basin]

Groaner hit faster as same like Greg rager, reaper move faster while shooting. Yeah… then shooter getting more accurate and more burst round shot. And some staying in cover longer

[celest rock]

Is it just me or have back spawns gotten turned up?

[open totem]

the sheer number of gunner mobs is enough to make feeders blush with how many bullets are getting shoved down your throat

[terse idol]

Gotta run someone to kill shooters

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/petty-parker-smoke-snoop-dogg-homer-simpson-disappear-gif-17093677

[open totem]

Orks be looking at dregs like "Damn, dat's sum good dakka"

[brittle drift]

?

just starting out is this roll decent

[open totem]

lol not bad for a low roll

[brittle drift]

kk

[open totem]

You've got your damage and finess up the most, which is what you really want

[tall torrent]

It’s the most important stat for any weapon that has it available

[somber axle]

no idea why this was blocked probably message length tbh but doing this instead

[somber axle]

Also another benefit of Exe Stance is that it provides suppression immunity freeing up the talent point from Determined for weapons that suffer from being suppressed

[open totem]

@somber axle Makes sense. Appreciate the in-depth explanation. And before I forget, could I get you to clarify what you meant earlier about "juicing" with the recons? Were you referring to Exe's or damage stims or what?

[somber axle]

Oh I don't do stims in testing LOL

[sturdy zephyr]

Interesting

[somber axle]

People call my builds juicing because I go down left tree and grab all the ranged damage talents that people tend to ignore while using Executioner's Stance. For other Vets here they consider doing that juicing. I'm min maxing on damage and really not missing out on too much survivability/utility otherwise beyond not using Voice of Command

[lime sedge]

GUESS WHO I FOUND STEALING OUR AMMO?!

[open totem]

I see. Could I get an example build for that?

[somber axle]

Sure I can show you my Helbore Mk II build for reference

[sturdy zephyr]

Ive tried full dmg left tree. Its really awesome but since im sloppy dodging the mission failed. Even in standrd damn.

[open totem]

Definitely interested in seeing that. Though I have to admit I prefer the punch of the Mk III, myself. Just wish its bayonet was closer to the Mk I & II

[somber axle]

Some would say Deadshot + Surgical with Shock Trooper on a Helbore Mk II is overkill

I live for overkill

LMFAO

[open totem]

I feel that. I'm nowhere near clean enough to be able to get through auric missions on pure damage without much in the way of survivability talents

[somber axle]

The tricky part is just not having the get out of jail free card from Voice of Command or Infiltrate

If you can survive well without needing either, you can comfortably do left tree in Aurics

[sturdy zephyr]

But with team that knows the roll of your friends saves the game.