veteran-class

[severe gale]

psyker is worst

[feral stratus]

Hm yes, i want my weapon with 0% damage

[rigid pilot]

Psyker has the least flexible tree but it's great

[feral stratus]

But honestly holy emperor

[flat pebble]

use it to heal your foes

[frank ether]

That it does

[rigid pilot]

It's mandatory because it's so good

[terse idol]

Talent tax

[frank ether]

you mean for breakpoints?

[rigid pilot]

Zealot stuff is like all mid so it's flexible

[terse idol]

And the other is 50% mandatory shit lmao

It's shit I mean

[frank ether]

the thing is I just skip keystone for a lot of builds because I don't like the gameplay loop of them often times

[terse idol]

Not just mandatory some of those nodes

[frank ether]

it gives some playroom in talents

[terse idol]

Are allergens

[frank ether]

I'm not saying no keystone vet is the best anymore because it isn't

but its pretty viable

[terse idol]

No

[rigid pilot]

No to which point

[terse idol]

No keystone vet, I mean

I just hate it

The idea

[frank ether]

the thing is most zealots go there for twbs, I go there for dance of death

[terse idol]

Seething even

[rigid pilot]

Dance of death with new shotgun

Will it be good

[frank ether]

but I play zealot to use the weapons that are shit on weapon like braced autos and whatnot

if you wanted to use a zarona or iag on zealot, why would you ever require dance of death

[winter grove]

Y'all think grey weapons viable in aurics?

:)

[rigid pilot]

Definitely

[frank ether]

why not

I did aurics on like, lvl 20

[rigid pilot]

Viable means nothing

[terse idol]

I mean, you can

[frank ether]

had a friend put me in there

Turns out ogryn can work regardless lmao

[fiery wave]

Yeah

[rigid pilot]

Just get lucky and play slowly you won't have issues

[frank ether]

there are some weapons where it might be on the borderline of viability

[fiery wave]

I have done a 3veg trio with greys and no points

[winter grove]

At least more and more I realise aurics are more about knowing how to play and not best stats

[frank ether]

but for the most part its not a challenge

[terse idol]

Well with a decent power level I'll say

After trying to level a vet those grey 100 power level weapons

Suck ass

[fiery wave]

Still too strong

[rigid pilot]

No it's too weeeak

[fiery wave]

All of psyker blitzes are too strong

[terse idol]

Like it's definetly possible to beat auric with grey 300~ level weapond

[somber axle]

Weapon Specialist keystone with Ranged Specialist only provides 33% crit per stack and the stacked crit is only to the first shot fired after swap. Good for guaranteeing that your Boltpistol on quickswap gets a crit for Deadly Accurate but after that single shot you are down to normal crit levels or you swap melee to build more stacks to repeat the cycle

[terse idol]

Level 100

[frank ether]

It still kinda is though no? Less blatantly so but still it should never have been a spammable

[terse idol]

And I don't think you'll have the dps to beat it

[terse idol]

It's so much worse

If only also because shards regenerate

Sloooowly

[frank ether]

yes you can't w+m1 your way through damnation games now, big whoop

[somber axle]

I love my 0% Helbore. I've taken her into Aurics for my "damage is a dump stat" personal challenge

[terse idol]

Yes

[frank ether]

I mean wait no, you still can

[terse idol]

That is worse though

[fiery wave]

I can

[frank ether]

just use your staff

[terse idol]

Wait

That's adding on

That's not using assail the entire level

[fiery wave]

This was 90% assail

[somber axle]

Maybe one day I can go negative...

[feral stratus]

I love it

[frank ether]

fair and balanced

[terse idol]

Like yah, I can beat this hard difficulty using only VOC

But also using my gun

[fiery wave]

It’s not as op as ep smite or blazing trauma

[frank ether]

gunker being slept on is a pretty good meme ngl

I won't complain though I like to abuse it

[fiery wave]

EP smite buff was a mistake

[frank ether]

weaponized schizo on the loose

[bleak cradle]

A good gunker with columnus will out dps me as a blaze trauma guy. I mean a GOOD gunker though

[somber axle]

Is this another case of tooltip text not being properly changed?

[fiery wave]

It does stupid damage, with shriek that is everything non ogryn dead in 10 seconds

[delicate moat]

the director is cracked on the new map

[bleak cradle]

Truepain has been the only psyker to out dps me that I play with

[fiery wave]

@narrow frost will always out damage me

[frank ether]

If you can aim with ciag absolutely

tho DD can be a bit weird to work with I guess

[fiery wave]

Dd is easy

Use assail

Max stacks

One shot a crusher with a ds4

[winter grove]

Oh in that way, thanks

[frank ether]

I guess the supposed downside is that you're squishy but I don't really feel like it

with scrier TDR and speed

feels pretty good

zoomin

[fiery wave]

Evasion on crit also stupid strong

[bleak cradle]

We still kill crushers fast than anyone for melee I think… 2 shotting a crusher probably beats out the time it takes to charge a thunderhammer or do heavy thrust on ogryn shovel or pickaxe

[somber axle]

I can test it in the Psykanium to verify. If I can get a non-crit shot with 1 stack of Weapon Specialist then it only applies the listed 33%. But if every shot is a crit then it is giving 100% crit chance even on 1 stack

[fiery wave]

Yeah, I can 3 tap them in 2 seconds

[somber axle]

But I will not be home for testing for another 3 hours

[fiery wave]

Heavy special light

[somber axle]

I don't use mods or check the code so the only way for me to verify is to test it in game

I can test it in Aurics too with a Helbore Mk III and set up my talent tree for 1HKO breakpoint on Crusher crit headshot with Weapon Specialist. If it fails to 1HKO then it didn't crit

Psykanium for numbers testing, real matches for stress testing

Yes that's why I do further testing in Auric matches

Running quickplay a few times with a weapon to feel the breakpoints as they apply in matches vs Psykanium

[tall torrent]

No he’s just really stubborn to download creature spawner lol

[somber axle]

No I just don't do mods usually. I like playing pure vanilla for fun

I have done Scoreboard off and on though LOL

Mostly just to double check numbers on damage, kills, ammo taken, etc.

[tall torrent]

Anyways I think DB shotgun is pretty fun

[somber axle]

I'm off the next two days so I can FINALLY get a good Double Barrel Shotgun to toy with

Work is eating my life

[tall torrent]

I’ll put manstopper in recommendation

[inland orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[tall torrent]

No flak?

[inland orchid]

i love playing vanilla

[tall torrent]

Mauler 1 shot

No it’s ~2500 bodyshot dmg without crit or FT

[flat pebble]

infested was evidently confirmed earlier

brings it to infested ohk for killing 20 in a manstopper shot

someone mentioned earlier it’s good against unyielding but idk how true that is

[left crag]

both barrels are so jarring, the animation is slower than the UI that shows your bullet in the chamber

you can actually shoot mid-animation

[tall torrent]

Is very funny

And 1 tapping mutant

[left crag]

yeah it's really strong, im trying to get used to the mid-animation shots

it's actually frikking fast

i also have always prepared so i dont have to BothBrrl all the time

[tall torrent]

It’s not as cinematic

[somber axle]

I'm like that in most games I play tbh LOL
The only ones I tend to download mods for are Bethesda games because the mods are crazy levels of new weapons, new enemies, new mechanics, etc.

[frank ether]

have any pictures of what it actually looks in viewmodel?

[tall torrent]

I can’t quite decide which one I like more

[frank ether]

2

outside of the shoulderpads that top is perfect

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1185515538475134998/1255904231181778964/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_Screenshot_2024.06.27_-_11.14.41.92.png?ex=667f7c36&is=667e2ab6&hm=14e9d7949266c492921cb08822d934919b25e0a27803faed5a9ff5bdc0e5f5c5&

[frank ether]

Oh ty, that does look pretty sweet, does it work for both revolvers? Hows the ironsights?

I might actually get it for once

[somber axle]

I have a pic too!

[tall torrent]

Yes
Haven’t checked iron sights on it, prob same as default

[frank ether]

the skull is a bit on the nose but I like it

[tall torrent]

The new axe skin is peak tho

[frank ether]

I play with gigafov for the most part and rely on crosshairs anyhow

[frank ether]

that is indeed pretty peak

[flat pebble]

the nose? of the snubnose?

[somber axle]

Finally a GOOD weapon skin for Rashad. It's a dream come true

[frank ether]

you're killing me .d cease lmao

[frank ether]

thats pretty peak

still a little miffed they never released a chest fitting the scion mask

[tall torrent]

The Kasrkin carapace looks good with it imo

[frank ether]

pay to lose?

[somber axle]

The Shotgun has a very nice new skin too

[frank ether]

Ah I see

I might want to wait on the axe then

[tall torrent]

Did u report in FS forums

[rigid pilot]

How is a skin bugged

[somber axle]

The new Enforcer cosmetics are so, so good

[frank ether]

me neither, too large

[tall torrent]

Ogryn’s fits perfectly tho

[frank ether]

I've been enjoying the pickaxes

[rigid pilot]

Enjoying is the right word

[frank ether]

ogryns problem imo is its way too focused on heavy attacks

I don't really solo so I guess my standards are a bit lower

I do duo fairly often I don't think I'd take oggy to a duo game lol

I'm just made for human movement

[rigid pilot]

You can absorb 7 poxbombers though

[halcyon zephyr]

I refuse to do research, but does this new itemization update note mean that I'm going to have to re-acquire PowerCycler?

[rigid pilot]

Yes

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/alan-wake-alan-wake-2-mr-door-herald-of-darkness-dance-gif-10811493730578850227

[halcyon zephyr]

welp, time to update this to "I want to grind"

[halcyon zephyr]

MY MAN

[frank ether]

Embrace longsword

bromentum + slaughterer

honestly its not even that bad aside from wheelchair mobility of pswords

[halcyon zephyr]

I'm excited for it but I'm also glad it'll take a few months, because I'm enjoying my break from Darktide just as much

[frank ether]

I burned like 1m ordo tonight

trying to get one of those stun batons in decent rating

[halcyon zephyr]

That's like, 1 waepon worth of dockets

[rigid pilot]

Does it really work like that now

[frank ether]

more like 0.5 apparently

[fleet thicket]

Hey

What's the difference

[frank ether]

I guess technically I have two dump stats on it

[fleet thicket]

Between the two models then ?

[frank ether]

60 damage? really?

[fleet thicket]

I got both agni and indignatus

[frank ether]

is it like ''you can compensate via talents'' kind of getting away or ''it doesn't scale'' kind?

[fleet thicket]

Which one is better ?

Oh

I see okay

So single target on agni sucks ?

Cuz I was looking at numbers apprently its strike down heavies do more damage ?

[flat pebble]

different between 60 and 80 is like 11 damage

[tough tiger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIkGKFTuMgI

i found it

le music

[fleet thicket]

Thank you

Btw

About the boss damage actually

I see okay

I be honest zealots crusher had okay boss damage but seems like they didn't want this weapon to have high boss damage then

I got a idginatus on my psyker I basically use Brain burst with shriek combo to spam brain burst for boss damage

[winter grove]

Is zealot crusher good by any chance?

[rigid pilot]

You do PA Light Heavy loop?

[fleet thicket]

It's really good

Like it can kill every armor type

[rigid pilot]

It's easily top melee for zealot

[winter grove]

By a bit you mean?

[rigid pilot]

Since if you ever find yourself in a bad situation you just press special

[fleet thicket]

Tbf I was thinking of going infiltrate build on agni on my vet

So maybe I bring kantrael

Shotgun

For boss damage

[winter grove]

Might wanna try making a build with it

[rigid pilot]

Kanty isn't really boss damage.. right?

[fleet thicket]

Burn ?

[rigid pilot]

Burn is like a pittance

[fleet thicket]

Also

[winter grove]

Kantrael shotgun isn't really good on veteran

[rigid pilot]

Without access to rending

It's not super good

[fleet thicket]

It got really high unyielding damage though

I mean

[rigid pilot]

Reload is a problem

[winter grove]

It's still a shotgun

[fleet thicket]

Vet gets all the rending

[rigid pilot]

You can dump 7 rounds then you better swap to melee

I tot you meant zealot

[fleet thicket]

I see

I thought shotgun

Kills bosses too

The kantrael anyway

[winter grove]

Nah not really

[rigid pilot]

Not really

[fleet thicket]

I mean it got high unyielding damage though

I see aggripinaa xD

[regal belfry]

idk why but i personally don't use ahotguns in darktide

[winter grove]

Kantrael is really like

[rigid pilot]

I still don't know how you get such big numbers

[winter grove]

Niche horde clear thing

[fleet thicket]

I mean

They are inrecdibly accurate in darktide

[rigid pilot]

Nah I love kanty for it's hipfire

Biggest base damage before DBS

[feral stratus]

I want to know how do you get that amounts of damage. I imagine it's in really specific circumstances and so on

[rigid pilot]

I run it on my knife vet weaponspec

[winter grove]

Vraks is kinda the point of that

Autogun ver of ilas

[rigid pilot]

Manstopper kanty hipfire is decent

[fleet thicket]

I see okay

[rigid pilot]

But now I'll probably run DBS

[fleet thicket]

I use melee build with

My infiltrator though

[feral stratus]

Huh

[rigid pilot]

Don't you need to grab all the ult nodes

Like 50% power on weakspot

Close damage etc

Maybe also 20% to ogryns

10% rending

FT

[winter grove]

Just use ilas mk12 5head

[last parcel]

anyone could do it

[somber axle]

The buffs you get from Marksman, For the Emperor and Close Quarters Kill Zone are insane. The first two are additive and the last is multiplicative iirc. Vet tree just has a LOT of crazy ways to push ranged damage

[last parcel]

what about placebo

[feral stratus]

Isn't Close quartes kill zone for Melee iirc?

[winter grove]

CQKZ is the one with 25% to ranged/melee per melee/ranged kill right

[somber axle]

No

[last parcel]

that's Agile Engagement

[winter grove]

FUCK

[somber axle]

CQKZ is the Close Damage buff near bottom right tree

[last parcel]

non helbore user detected

bayonet engaged

[winter grove]

I am not nerd enough to remember Vet talents

What a mess

How could this happen

[rigid pilot]

Agile engagement is the most fun talent that somehow zealots don't get

Zealot L

[winter grove]

Oh THIS

Yeah CQK is really funny

[feral stratus]

I should try Agile engagement with the new shotgun and probably one of the new maces. They feel really good to use

[somber axle]

@feral stratus Close Damage is a very misleading name for the buff. It isn't melee only. It provides the full damage buff from 0m to 8m and then has damage scaling down to 30m

[last parcel]

and yet you forget agile engagement

[somber axle]

On most engagements the buff is providing really good damage

[rigid pilot]

Until you play the new map and 3 gunners full auto you from across the room and hadron goes "TOO SLOW"

[last parcel]

how could you forget a friend like that

[winter grove]

Not my pic

:)

[somber axle]

It's why Dum Dum is considered mandatory on any weapon that can get that blessing

[winter grove]

I am not touching hellbores again

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-impostor-gif-22394469

[somber axle]

It's just really strong LOL

[winter grove]

CIAG becomes a monster with it

[somber axle]

CIAG can get to absurd levels of damage when you run a ranged build with all damage buffs

[feral stratus]

Got it. I may misremebering from back when the original class rework happened. If it wasn't this one there was a perk that increased specifically melee damage for Vet

When activating the ability

But maybe it's just my memory paying tricks

[rigid pilot]

That's like donkey years ago

Vet got reworked twice

[feral stratus]

Yeah

When they added the skill trees

[winter grove]

Ikr

[somber axle]

I have no memory of what went on between beta/launch and patch 13 or 14? Not sure which. I left the game a couple months after launch and didn't return until way, way later when talent trees were reworked to what they are now

I was here for beta/launch but didn't stick around

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/forgot-no-memories-lord-of-the-rings-lotr-gandalf-gif-13463504

[feral stratus]

Yeah, it was patch 14 iirc

[somber axle]

I ended up going into FF14 after quitting WoW and put 4000+ hours into that game after quitting WoW during the tail end of WoW Shadowlands/middle of FF14 Shadowbringers

I returned to Darktide after I finished the MSQ

[winter grove]

I am really really glad I got on during patch 15

Sad that I missed moebian 21st cosmetics tho

[feral stratus]

I got the game just before the Moebian cosmetics

[rigid pilot]

You chose the game with the most toxic fanbase

[somber axle]

If it makes you feel any better they're really only cool if you want to dress up as the trailer squad who fuckin died LMFAO

[winter grove]

I came from russian fanbases and those have extra 200% to toxicity

I've grown resistant

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-gif-12244864741850090018

[feral stratus]

I dress as a 9 to 5 factory worker with the Moebian mask

[rigid pilot]

Accurate depiction of darktide player base but need to reduce those numbers to like 20 people

[last parcel]

i tried using those ilas irons then decided to commit sewer slide

[somber axle]

Injured Chainsword Trooper is my spirit animal

[junior needle]

They weren't very good

Only decent piece is the ogryn helmet

[somber axle]

It's a really good gas mask

[junior needle]

I guess zealots sniper hood was alright too

[feral stratus]

I like the Zealot one because i like cloaks and i like gasmasks

[somber axle]

I really want them to add in a carbine version of the Infantry Lasguns without the tactical sights/scopes or whatever they are. I want the basic iron sights Lasgun so much

[winter grove]

I still very like the vet and zealot cosmetics

[somber axle]

You really only see that version of the Infantry Lasgun on bots and in the really early gameplay trailer

But we never got it in game as a playable weapon

[feral stratus]

I didn't even noticed that

Why can they have ironsights and we can't?

[winter grove]

Because ilas holo sights are much better

Trust me

[junior needle]

Because weapon customization was in the game and then removed due to issues, the game was terribly unfinished at launch

[last parcel]

because those irons are unholy

[junior needle]

And still is, in some ways

[feral stratus]

Yeah, it still has quite a bit that we're missing

[somber axle]

I wish I could have it

Maybe one day

[winter grove]

Space famas

[feral stratus]

Is it burst fire?

[somber axle]

They could do a Lasgun Carbine that is a shorter ranged version of the Infantry Lasgun with better fire rate, a bit of damage falloff at long range and lower damage per shot. Like the Mk IV

Recons already cover the automatic lasgun category

Infantry Lasguns have reverse damage falloff for worse damage when things are in your face

Some burst fire modes similar to the Headhunters would be nice to make them unique compared to the Infantry Lasguns and Laspistols

[stiff pasture]

🙂

im fast as fuck boi

[somber axle]

Do this with Volley Adept and Fleeting Fire then record the animation speed for fun

[stiff pasture]

i will attempt to do so when i get them

[somber axle]

They're very funny talents

I used it to break my Laspistol Mk II reload

This is with literally every possible reload talent, reload blessing and reload perk you can get on the Laspistol Mk II

I had to kill 5 things before Ranged Specialist buff wore off to stack Speedload to 5

Needed Ranged Specialist buff active to get the 20% reload speed from Fleeting Fire

Prekilled an Elite for Volley Adept

Tactical Reload active from reloading with shots remaining in the clip

[terse idol]

I must also note

Damn, trailer darktide and current darktide

[last parcel]

yeah i figured our resident masochist would enjoy that https://streamable.com/cibu4z

[terse idol]

2 different games

[somber axle]

I need this so bad

[terse idol]

it was okay until you aimed down

omegalul

That is

[somber axle]

Please Fatshark I am begging

Give me the iron sights Lasgun

[stiff pasture]

Where’s volley adept?

[somber axle]

The game has changed SO SO much

[terse idol]

At least 80% of the screen

[somber axle]

Top left of the Vet tree under Longshot, next to Exhilirating Takedown

[stiff pasture]

Ah

[last parcel]

where's my cursor and the fuck happened with the crop

[feral stratus]

The way I solve this is removing the things on the sides or rising the notch a bit

But at the same time. Not being able to see is funny

[last parcel]

that's why helen keller is the funniest shit

[somber axle]

You can ignore Tactical Reload btw. It only boosts reload speed if you have a non-empty gun by 20% and the reload speed bonus from Both Barrels is 70%. They're mutually exclusive with the blessing being substantially better

[stiff pasture]

i dont see it

[somber axle]

You have Volley Adept picked no worries. Tactical Reload is top right side next to Out for Blood

[stiff pasture]

wait no im dumb

i didnt even check the ones i had selected

[somber axle]

Also brb need to do some work or I could get in trouble LOL

I have been fucking around too long and need to do something before someone finds out

[zinc surge]

what chest is this?

[woven oak]

Which would you use?

[somber axle]

Rogue Trader Veteran chestpiece from Hallowette's

[somber axle]

It was most recently in the shop during the Skulls event

[eternal flare]

what should I do to improve the shotgun

[regal belfry]

i think it was from the set which was by rouge traders release in commodores venture

[orchid hemlock]

anyone has those memes with the guy with just a giant mouth screaming the VoC voice lines?

[minor copper]

Right

[sinful swallow]

Tfw I'm the boss and can fuck around

[shell mason]

I'm not seeing value with the new double barrel is it just me?

[tall torrent]

It’s a funny gun

[vale ledge]

Hey uhh can someone tell me what perks/stats should I use on the shock maul?

*Blessings/perks

Please?

[somber axle]

Nah I don't want to be my bosses. They have more work to do than me and people who breathe down their neck more viciously

[amber ether]

you can spam ranged specialist and have infinite ammo

it rounds up so you always get 1 round

[somber axle]

It's a weapon meant for short range engagements so either you use Infiltrate or you use Smoke grenades to cover the weakness vs Gunners/Snipers/Reapers to close the distance or you rely entirely on power sliding into firing lines to get into kill range

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/sus-among-us-airpods-amogus-gun-gif-20665741

[somber axle]

Or you take cover and pray someone else deals with it instead LMFAO

[vale ledge]

Holy throne. . .is this plasma gun peak?

[regal belfry]

listen to this, pulls out the dubstep gun

[vale ledge]

Cause if it is Melk fucking COOKED

[regal belfry]

shange crit damage then have fun

i would steal this weapon

[dusky raven]

i raise you this

[frank ledge]

Hey boss, how patch for veterans, good?

[somber axle]

Very, very good

[somber vault]

what combos do you use for the mk 3 maul

do you just do the overhead loop forever and ever for single targets

[dusky raven]

does collateral matter?

[vale ledge]

I only needed one upgrade

[dusky raven]

[frank ether]

real

[left crag]

that's crack

[rigid pilot]

Imagine if vets get assail or some sort of knife thing

[sinful swallow]

Armor pen knife that isn't consecrated so sucks vs mutant and infested

More knives

Go out of pocket with it, maybe it's just a CD item like an ult in your blitz slot. Maybe stick your backpack loaded stubber in there

[noble canyon]

So what's the opinion on Indignatus Shock Maul on melee vets? Still can't get used to buffer input karking up my horde combos.

[brave verge]

worth picking up?

[abstract moth]

@serene bough wdym? Zarona can't even make long shots because you can only aim in hip fire with bolt pistol can even get snipers in the head from far way. But yeah in the end I agree with 8 bit archer the weapon is a gun on it's own and not a insta killer like the revolver

[sinful swallow]

Worth if you're sick if rolling dum dum. As a perfect, obv you want to dump stab and high mob is nice on a better mobi weapon

But actually not bad if you want to use it use it

Naturally good against flak so you can chase breakpoints with special to flak or cover up your maniac

Id keep elite since you might get dog water gold but

If it hits ghost? You're gaming

[brave verge]

infernus

[abstract moth]

Is very good I love it, is good for hordes and does good heavy damage on armors

[brave verge]

could be a fun weapon specialist gun

[thick kestrel]

so I think I'm on the right track for this? I've only got Savage Sweep 3 at the moment so going to try and farm up IV.

I think I've seen people recommend shred and skullcrusher as well?

[sinful swallow]

Does work with Deadshot, but mostly a niche blessing at best

[brave verge]

specialist to flak and elite to maniac?

[sinful swallow]

Elite at least helps with crusher maulers

Without sacrificing all the other flak target but some one more familiar to me might have to step in

[brave verge]

I don't have anything to replace infernus with, if its bad

might actually be the first laspistol I have at gold

[sinful swallow]

I use the mark10 exe stance to shocktrooped heads for team

[thick kestrel]

nah, infernus on the last pistols isn't too bad

*Las

[sinful swallow]

High base crit + Deadshot is a nice 25% chance to free ammo and light on fire

[thick kestrel]

yeah, their improved base crit makes it work nicely

[sinful swallow]

Think you got like more than a 1 in 3

[thick kestrel]

and for the mk2 Flak + Elite/Maniac are solid choices

[sinful swallow]

The things that won't die fast like bulwarks rager etc can at least burn

[sinful swallow]

This for sure

[thick kestrel]

the X I think wants unarmoured? but for the II it's got a very fast and zappy rate of fire and excellent weakpoint bonuses

[somber axle]

Very worth picking up imo since you don't have Dum Dum yet

Very good stat roll

[brave verge]

I could've sworn I could have more than 5 loadouts

[sinful swallow]

You got it flipped I think

XII is fat one

[thick kestrel]

have I? the X is the slow and chunky while the II is fast and zappy?

so you want unarmoured on the X to better score key headshots with the lower RoF?

[sinful swallow]

X is II is

[sinful swallow]

If you can hold off

[thick kestrel]

if I'm wrong I'm wrong of course ^^

[sinful swallow]

Dm me your tree and I can test and give you a break down

Maybe some tree fixes too to make it more work for what you're going for

I love a las pistol player and it's only thing I swap off boltguns for

[sinful swallow]

This sounds right but I think with easy buff is unneeded

Tomorrow was my text day because bpstl show me my boltgun might not need the 25 flak I flex in

Maybe just go elite cara or full send unyielding for box

[brave verge]

wish I could screenshot this more easily

[sinful swallow]

I feel that

[frank ether]

godroll, enjoy

change specialist

[sinful swallow]

Maybe it's just bpstl doing is own things with collateral stat but if it actual out netas my gun ..

[brave verge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9c64a65b-3bbb-4d93-9557-ffa86a549fe9/las-pistol?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[winter grove]

Well this cosmetic is quite questionable

[brave verge]

current tree I'm using

[frank basin]

Is like telling you “shut the fuck up; gag your mouth”

[winter grove]

"You lost your VoC privileges, shut the fuck up"

[frank basin]

Yeah

[sinful swallow]

Actually looks good everything makes 100% sense right down to keystone modifier to keep stamina for deadshot

Or burster push

What melee you using?

[brave verge]

rashad 2

[sinful swallow]

That's pretty goated LOOKing

Practically, is it handling your carapace and monster needs during krak downtime

[brave verge]

its just unable to kill dreg bruisers in 1 shot without headtaker stacks

[sinful swallow]

And is it clearing fast enough to get through your pox walkers

[brave verge]

if I can manage to get brumentum 4 I think it'll push me over

[sinful swallow]

How much dmg is psykanium saying your short by

[brave verge]

i'm doing 634 on a non crit headshot

so 54 dmg short

1 stack of headtaker is enough to get me going

2 stacks actually

[sinful swallow]

Just don't swing then first I guess

[brave verge]

lmao

[sinful swallow]

So little work but it does do everything, sweet

[brave verge]

agile engagement pushes me over, just need to shoot 1 first

[sinful swallow]

That works too and working with fast swap time helps a ton

[brave verge]

should be good

I keep getting shit revolvers

[sinful swallow]

Yeah man maybe just special to maniac and your pistol is set

[brave verge]

I put special to flak, should it be maniac?

[sinful swallow]

I hate (love) flexing my only revolver I never use

[brave verge]

best revolver so far

I (don't) love getting salvo blessings

[brave verge]

gross

[sinful swallow]

I just HATE HATE HATE HATE .3 surgical

[brave verge]

waiting in the wings, probably also going to be shit

[sinful swallow]

Check purple might have a chance to save

I'm about to do someone's suggestion and low level a vet to farm all t1 and t2 blessings

[brave verge]

lmao

time to sleep, got work in 7ish hours

thanks for your help

[sinful swallow]

Progress start on New mastery

[sinful swallow]

Same nice talking to you

[scarlet vessel]

do i swap Both Barrels to tier 4 version or Deathspitter to somethign else?

[thick kestrel]

I think deathspitter is worth keeping, the damage blessings aren't really needed on the hacker it seems? but deathspitter is never going to do you wrong

considering your lower reload speed stat, getting the better both barrels is probably the solid pick

[placid portal]

DB shotty with weapon specialist is great, i'm never empty

[flat crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-i-can-do-this-all-day-avengers-endgame-marvel-gif-15551087

[thick kestrel]

aye, I think the only trick is that weapon specialist will only give you one shell back out of the two?

[placid portal]

well 1 melee stack = 1 shell so not much to do

[thick kestrel]

true

[placid portal]

Time to make Manstopper + Flechette DBs

[marsh condor]

DB Shotgun + Sharpshooter Veteran

[craggy ridge]

Imagine getting your jaw blown off and still having to brush your teeth

[flint lake]

Both barrels won’t matter to u if you’re going for a melee vet build

Death Spitter is great

Personally though, I think I prefer scatter shot and Man Stopper

The pen is insane and will pretty much kill a whole hoard of Ragers at point blank

[marsh condor]

What does Manstopper do?

[flint lake]

Infinite pen

On Crit ofc

increased Cleave on Critical Hit and gain +10-25% Ranged Attack Stagger.

[marsh condor]

Okay. Is it good with Zealot's Piety?

(The crit augments.)

[fierce steeple]

The more I use the bolt pistol the more I like it. It certainly isnt beating out plasma or IAGs but its serviceable in Aurics, and fun to use

[marsh condor]

For Veteran, I guessed that there's a few passives that would synergize well with it.

[flint lake]

I figure Crit zealots might want speed load and Man Stopper

[marsh condor]

I just thought of a "Critaking" Shotgun.

Also going to make a Both Barrels Shotgun (as my mini Ogryn Kickback).

[flint lake]

Really though, the shotgun’s reload is fast enough that any buffs are largely unnecessary.

[marsh condor]

Not fast enuff for me

[flint lake]

Hard for me to even say. I rarely have had to manually reload my shotgun because of the vet skill

[marsh condor]

Making this as a Zealot, so other than the Saint Gunslinger I think I might need the reload more.

[shadow dagger]

I've been trying to use plasma gun just to get used to it and it just isn't clicking

I know I need a better roll and to aim for headshots and allat

but it feels like absolute overkill outside of like

iiiveg

or mentally ill director moments

[marsh condor]

Are you using it against Ogryns and Monstrosities?

[shadow dagger]

yeah

still missing bulwark headshots from behind the shield relatively consistently

[marsh condor]

From myself using it, I don't usually need to pop their heads

[shadow dagger]

but I think the fact that it sorta exists the way it is rn makes me feel awful using it on specials

like, the stuff that my survivalist ass should be the one dealing with

I feel like I'm on yellow or red ammo the entire match

[marsh condor]

Ah. Plasma's not that great with Survivalist.

Compared to the Bolter and Lasguns, it's very inefficient because of the way its ammo is used.

[shadow dagger]

I feel like I'm always holding off on using it on anything in that mid range where they're close enough to engage but not close enough to easily kill them with a dodge slide and a heavy attack

even in like those I need that guy dead yesterday ago situations

[marsh condor]

Have you tried using it as a sort of sniper weapon?

[shadow dagger]

it's sort of uncomfortable with the new hipfire reticle being tight enough to actually obscure the center of the screen past mid range as well as the whole hipfire charge rate thing

but yeah I've tried it

[marsh condor]

I figured that highlighting it should be enough to solve the problem, but maybe I should use it again.

[odd sparrow]

after i got into the mindset of just left click lmao, plasma clicked a lot more in my head

[umbral scaffold]

What are the best blessings to use on shock maul?

[thick kestrel]

I'm having a lot of fun with Skullcrusher at the moment

it staggers so easily it kind of feels like a solid free damage boost

[umbral scaffold]

Hmm okay I have high voltage currently and lightening reflex but honestly I wanna get rid of reflex since I’m not doing timed blocks often

[thick kestrel]

that's fair, I'm in kind of a similar boat as I'm using the shockmaul more as a problem solving tool alongside a Helbore II lasgun

you can Taser a dangerous target then go straight into overhead slams with the maul. works well

the taser ramps up skullcrusher and electrifies so it's a nice damage boost

[frank ocean]

Which Shock Maul are people using?

[thick kestrel]

there might be better, but that's working for me with a mkIII maul

[marsh condor]

I'm using the flanged one atm.

[frank ocean]

Which one is that lol, is that the Agni or the other one

[marsh condor]

Though I plan to upgrade a spiked one to cosplay as a (Scab) Bruiser

[marsh condor]

It's the one that looked more like a legit mace than a spikey club.

[frank ocean]

I’ve been trying the MK3 Igni maul, trying to get used to its attack pattern, especially the heavy attacks

[umbral scaffold]

Is mk3 the best out of the 2?

[frank ocean]

There’s only 2 Mauls

[umbral scaffold]

Typo im on my phone lol

I’m using the first one but I might swap over to mk 3 instead

[frank ocean]

I’m just not used to not having constant sweep/AOE attacks, so it’s been a bit of a learning curve lol

[thick kestrel]

yeah, the mk3 does have that starting heavy->light->heavy->light combo for horde fighting, but it's easy to mess up and get stuck in the overhead single target loop.

certainly takes some practice

I suspect I might go back to the mk7 shovel on my exe-stance build long term but happy to use the mk3 maul in the interium

[frank ocean]

Also the Heavy being only 1 sweep, then looping strike down attacks

I kind of wish one of the mauls was more AOE focused while the other was more single target focused

[sterile phoenix]

Been reading through some of the pinned guides for updated Vet information. I see the MG 1a lasgun is slightly ahead of the others (been a long time since I used the Mk XII for example). Would a MG 1a build be pretty much similar to a VoC build?

[astral blade]

getting yelled at for using smokes is funny

literally only time i use smokes is when there allot of shooters, team needs to push and they need cover or to get a revive

[sinful jacinth]

With the gunner increase. Smokes might just be viable.

[fossil basalt]

Smokes OP

[sinful jacinth]

Only thing with smokes is that it's hard to see the edge of the smoke.

Lots of people standing on the edge and getting clipped.

[quick burrow]

did they also buff dogs tracking

i watched a doggo leap at me from a far distance reach the peak of his leap start tracking down i dodged back multiple times and he went back up mid air instead of finishing the leap it was pretty trippy

didnt touch the ground just up down back up then on me

[tame lodge]

Always have been

[fluid escarp]

Just push? Why even bother dodging backwards

If anything dodge to the side, but you'll most likely miss a free kill

[coral willow]

92k and a 2nd roll

decent

i dont like melee wp but better than crit

[wary galleon]

hello

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1198732550357659860/Poxburster.gif

[frank basin]

maybe some of them hive minded smoke hater

[tawny badger]

personally I would've used my foresight to avoid this

[astral blade]

wouldn't doubt it not to mention the new bolt pistol and people using it for the "event" fuck man ammo eco is already shit as it is no need to be using that junk

[frank basin]

People are unpredictable

They see something told is best, they’ll follow

[astral blade]

literally was ammo hungry for most of the damn mission last one i did

[frank basin]

You wouldn’t know one of them will yell at you for using recon or smoke grenade

Lot of them has different view and same idealogy

[tawny badger]

darktide players when you're not playing 912314131985% optimally:

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-slam-slam-desk-desk-slam-xqc-slam-gif-19145485

[frank basin]

[astral blade]

makes sense

[frank basin]

I get call out after wipe get blamed for using recon on damnation. It was dude using score board in past when feats was a thing

Long time ago

[tawny badger]

scoreboard builds toxic habits ngl

[frank basin]

It does

[astral blade]

2 things i care about in darktide keeping the team alive and ammo

[frank basin]

https://youtu.be/_Nqk7w_6AOI?si=VwRRRNJ-69ZQRTgu

[astral blade]

ammo being the main one i'm concerned

[astral blade]

i hate to say it but pesonally i hate that skit from family guy

[frank basin]

What skit?

[tawny badger]

the one you posted ig

[astral blade]

yep

[frank basin]

Who?

[toxic leaf]

is there a consensus best recon model?

[frank basin]

Who I resembled to?

[astral blade]

ok that cut away gag in family guy this one that you posted

personally that insult actually would hurt allot of people and fairly sure that VA got their lights clocked

cause of it

[frank basin]

I post something referencing then post the joke has same context.

A scoreboard for scoreboard

[astral blade]

makes sense

[astral blade]

vld

[frank basin]

Fucking 180 rounds in 20 rps

540 rpm

[astral blade]

but back to the original topic the whole scoreboard mod for darktide does bring out the worst in people

[still crater]

Youre right. We should get rid of the mod and just put a scoreboard in game so everyone doing poorly can learn from their mistakes :]

[topaz lance]

Yep, I totally understand why they removed the scoreboard from the game

[flat crypt]

Yeah, seen many times these folks who like to brag about their kill count or damage while at the end of the day their asses needed the most babysitting

[toxic leaf]

what is the dump stat on V1d / recons in general

is stability a good stat

[topaz lance]

Anyone who uses damage done at the end of a mission as a valid measurement of performance in this game doesn't understand the game on a fundamental level.

[quick burrow]

is improved kraks worth it?

[coral willow]

does bonkers boss damage

[quick burrow]

ah thats true

trying to free up a point for faster reload speed unsure what to take

[coral willow]

you can skip it if you have ogryn damage

should oneshot bulwarks with it

[flat crypt]

it doesn't one shot them anymore without it?

[quick burrow]

current build with the colum mk5

but im really missing some form of faster reload

[noble canyon]

No, the patch 18 changes to Bulwarks gave them enough HP to tank Krak nades without Grenade Tinkerer.

[flat crypt]

good to know, haven't used kraks in ages...

[toxic leaf]

suggestions?

i was thinking carapace -> crit chance and the maybe dumdum to infernus? or ranged damage to something?

dumdum seems really good, maybe HH to infernus?

[plush hound]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[toxic leaf]

yea i was thinking HH to infernus, and then carapce to crit chance

[flat crypt]

Sounds about right. I got the mod but i use it to see how much i do boss dmg with my... unconventional loadouts 😄

[toxic leaf]

ive never seen anyone, and i mean anyone, ever bring up the scoreboard in a game

[flat crypt]

it's rare but it happens

[toxic leaf]

any suggestions for this? found it sitting in my inventory

[flat crypt]

I'd go flak and carapace 🤔

[toxic leaf]

i always go maniac on melee because ragers

[flat crypt]

valid point, i just like to use flak because it's more common in hordes and carapace for those juicy folded strikes on crushers/maulers

[toxic leaf]

yea flak is good too

[junior needle]

Everything but damage and ammo essentially

Those are the only two stats that really matter atm

I should recheck what the difference actually is for 0 stability

Just keep in mind that the 6d is probably the worst variant atm

As the dps is about the same for all of them but it has the worst ammo efficiency by a noticeable margin

[toxic leaf]

i see

[junior needle]

Headhunter is mandatory, especially if you want to run infernus

[toxic leaf]

what about this then

[junior needle]

No, do not replace the crit printer blessing to put a crit dependent blessing on it.

[toxic leaf]

dumdum is just too good though

[junior needle]

The slower firing recons are better served with dumdum, and on the 6d it's a matter of preference

[toxic leaf]

i guess ill just rip dumdum4 of that 6d

and use it over infernus here

i had stipped down on it before

[junior needle]

The 7a is likely objectively the best one atm

Only slightly less ammo efficiency than the 2 but it also has extra cleave.

Also they made the 6d have worse handling and reload speed for no reason

[toxic leaf]

yea i was just using it in the training and the relaod speed is dogwater

im just gunna rip the DD4 off it

[winter grove]

7a is the slow firing one ye?

[junior needle]

Yes

Slowest firing

[winter grove]

Yeah I expected it to be the best one

Also the only recon I had fun with before

[junior needle]

Yeah the guy who did the changes forgot to homogenize the ammo efficiency alongside the dps and adm's

And then said "WELL THE MAG SIZE THOUGH"

On top of adding a few negative changes for no reason

[winter grove]

I also kinda like the gimmick of lasguns using more than 1 ammo per shot and having ammo pool tweaking accordingly

[junior needle]

So the 6d has about 1 mag of damage per reserve less than either other option

[winter grove]

But that makes Ilas mk4 with 100 in mag and 1100 in reserve literally impossible to run out from

[junior needle]

mg4 has insane ammo efficiency on paper

[winter grove]

It really does

I never ran out of ammo with it

And I use it to clear hordes

Both that and elite/special sniping

Recoil is jumpy but manageable

[toxic leaf]

what were you saying about stability kek

[winter grove]

Ilas mk1a is obviously better tho

[junior needle]

better 1 taps and dps

[winter grove]

Recons don't have recoil at all soo

[junior needle]

but less ammo efficiency

[winter grove]

Yup

And then there's mg12

[toxic leaf]

i wouldnt expect lasers to recoil huhu

[junior needle]

They do, their sight and shots wander a bit. I'll make a video

[toxic leaf]

so what is the point of the stability stat

[winter grove]

Ilas and hellbores:

[toxic leaf]

is 24 stab meme or is it usable

[winter grove]

I mean I wouldn't consider that recoil

[winter grove]

You might as well as have 0 stability on recons and recoil being smallest one in game

Like soldier said, only damage and ammo matter on recons

[toxic leaf]

roger that boss

im running out of money lol

[junior needle]

Here's 0 stab vs 80

[toxic leaf]

theres almost no difference?

there is definitely spread on the right

but its tight clustered lol

[junior needle]

The shots wander a bit more with lower stability it seems

But yeah it's not a huge difference

[winter grove]

I mean there's a little bit of sway

But I wouldn't call that recoil

Compared to stuff like boltguns and ciag

[junior needle]

It shouldn't have any sway, it's a laser

[median moss]

Negligible at best, and if you're bringing focus fire it goes way. Hmn. TIL.

[junior needle]

Yeah don't go out of your way for a high stability recon

[winter grove]

Didn't they give recoil to lasguns because otherwise they were boring?

[junior needle]

The playtesters didn't like the no recoil, so I hear

[median moss]

Operator error more than the gun imo. Tape a laser pointer to a long stick and aim at something 50m away. See how steady you'd be.

[junior needle]

I like the no recoil

[winter grove]

Can't judge them

A gun with no impact feels weird to use imho

Locke in example

Big gun big damage big recoil

Big impact

[toxic leaf]

right but all weapons should have that, and nothing on the lasgun should influence its sway if it were "realistic" to the style

[winter grove]

Now imagine it without any recoil

[junior needle]

This place is a prison, its rules are my shackles.

[toxic leaf]

hahaha

[median moss]

Valid, I agree.

[toxic leaf]

whatever, its a game lol

[winter grove]

Deadshot gives you bigger sway while just aiming because your reject is apparently too tired holding a gun

[toxic leaf]

suggestions for this shovel or should i stick with my ps6

[winter grove]

You should totally do uncanny strike and carapace damage

[junior needle]

I will absolutely judge them because now the ilas have this absolutely grating sight bouncing that makes me hate the guns

https://tenor.com/view/that-does-not-make-sense-johnnie-cochran-south-park-s2e14-chef-aid-gif-21655993

[winter grove]

I like the jumpy recoil

But of all things

It feels like veteran is just faking the recoil

[junior needle]

The recoil is done very poorly in this game

Your shots don't even line up with the sights, especially while suppressed

[slow spade]

I just hipfire when suppressed

:c

[winter grove]

Well

You are suppressed alright

[flat pebble]

judging by him catching an automod he’s also oppressed

[winter grove]

Supressed and oppressed

A daily life of a reject

[junior needle]

Unfortunately the crosshair mods are scuffed

[winter grove]

True that

[junior needle]

So I can't provide a better illustration

I had some videos but my folder is too beeg and unorganized

[stable orbit]

Is there a cross hair mod that lets you set opacity?

[junior needle]

I was wondering why a single dreg shooter was obliterating my toughness

[flat pebble]

rn crosshair mods ime only control how quickly you crash

[bitter turtle]

idk

i did an AM just now

'it was a joke

felt like normal

the new map is just extremely brutal i think

[junior needle]

A dreg shooter couldn't blow my entire toughness bar before

I was wondering why my toughness felt like paper mache suddenly

[flat pebble]

knew ragers were going batshit

[bitter turtle]

maybe im just good at killing them

unironically

not blowing smoke up my ass

i just didnt notice on the old maps

any real difference

its the new map where everything feels like u step one toe out of line and 120921 things come out to delete you

[junior needle]

It's more of an issue if you play primarily melee

[bitter turtle]

does knife/laspistol count as primarily melee

[flat pebble]

tbh i’ve just noticed things have been harder because my teams have been crumpling instantaneously lately

[junior needle]

Depends on whether you're shooting ranged enemies or charging them to melee

[flat pebble]

i’m not an insane player by any stretch but the last few matches i’ve played i’m at full health the majority of it while my teammates go down over and over and die

[bitter turtle]

like jfc my last run died cus one guy went down, i literally took out 3 poxbursters, 2 trappers, 3 bombers and a flamer

thought it was finally clear to pick him up

then a silent trapper gets me from above

firing from the higher level of the castwalk

run died after that

lmao

[flat pebble]

but the ragers being faster felt super apparent

they’re straight up kung fu fighting out there now

[bitter turtle]

well

idm if they buffed them personally

it didnt change my experience much on old maps

[flat pebble]

well they started spamming them in bigger packs because they made them easier

if they’re going to make them harder again they should readjust the packs

[tropic imp]

I think extra difficulty is a good change

You can always go lower

[flat pebble]

like i said im doing fine

but qps are significantly worse now

[junior needle]

Well apparently there's proof in the code of these things

So anecdotes aren't exactly reliable evidence to the contrary

[flat pebble]

what if i told u my anecdotes are actually micro data

forehead

[flat pebble]

“From Strawhat elsewhere in the thread:

"Copying what I just sent on the forums: Hey there, I didn’t see this thread or I would’ve replied sooner! We did miss some patch notes which will be added shortly in the missed patch notes section of the SoMG patch notes on Steam, the Forums and here on Reddit. I'm almost finished editing them after confirming the changes.

The intention was not to keep these notes from players, and it’s our bad for not catching them sooner."”

oof looks like it’s intended

[wanton dawn]

I definitely noticed rager being more aggressive. Also trapper seemed more punishing. Gunner a bit too.

[junior needle]

Fatshark in charge of competence

[wanton dawn]

I noticed more when playing the "not my best" loadout

[junior needle]

They conveniently forget to add a lot of things people don't like to the patch notes

[wanton dawn]

I like more difficulty though

[junior needle]

A single dreg shooter taking my entire toughness bar with one shot is certainly more difficulty

[toxic leaf]

yea failed so many qps yesterday

and this is probadbly why lol

[wanton dawn]

I mean... the top diff is the same ceiling for everyone. I will never mind it going higher

[toxic leaf]

yea before histg damn was pretty easy

[flat pebble]

arrowhead school of patch notes

[toxic leaf]

i like these changes tbh

make it harder!

just tone down that ridiculous kill area of the new mission lol

[flat pebble]

I don’t necessarily mind it but it does show many randoms in QP are on the razors edge of not being good enough for the difficulty

[wanton dawn]

Always been the case

[flat pebble]

ya tru lol

[thorn lark]

full bore

[flat pebble]

lacerate knife

[wanton dawn]

Ahhh, krak was buffed indeed

Casually 20% dmg buff

[bitter turtle]

good

i dont want them to nerf naything

new mission is fun

waiting for it to hit the rotation in AM

with scab only monstro

[wanton dawn]

Nerf fotf

[bitter turtle]

deserved

[wanton dawn]

Nerf plasma

[bitter turtle]

well now voc actually is the best ability in the game

surprised it went by with no change

[wanton dawn]

Bolter treatment. 1 year left alone, then the bat

I am trying to like the boltpistol but it is just meh

Id buff the target pen

[flat pebble]

bolter didn’t even get crazy nerfed it more just got left in the dust

pinning fire got nerfed and then enemy health values went up in p13

[bitter turtle]

im still trying to make a boltpistol

i actually might just make a dbarrel shotgun instead

[wanton dawn]

Pinning nerf went from 100 to 20, exe stance went from hero to zero

[bitter turtle]

i tried it a bit in psyk and its hella fun

[thick kestrel]

aha!

managed to figure out a way to reset on the mk3 powermaul back into the wide sweep combo

[wanton dawn]

If vet had susfire still, bolter would be good rn

[flat pebble]

that kind of what I’m saying it’s been largely indirect nerfs if at all

[thick kestrel]

Push attack -> light attack -> Heavy attack will do the wide sweeps again rather than leaving you stuck in the overhead loop

[flat pebble]

then it got turned into a finesse weapon in p14 which salvaged some OHK BPs with surgical

[wanton dawn]

Well, indirect punch in the mouth still made it lose all its teeth

[flat pebble]

idk I think it’s still great

but obviously that’s a divisive opinion in here

[bitter turtle]

i think its just ok

as a DMR it struggles to have a niche against v7

though

it does it ok enough

but you have to jump through twice as many hoops

and for what

being able to magdump bosses ig

[flat pebble]

twice as many hoops? I just aim and shoot

[bitter turtle]

well

[thick kestrel]

in fairness the V7 has pretty much claimed the DMR spot in most to all cases. the kantreal and helbore lasguns are in the mix as well but the Vraks 7's control and precision are just SO nice.

[bitter turtle]

if u dont do reload/swap tech

it swaps and reloads a lot slower

[woven oak]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1do5k6k/secrets_of_the_machine_god_out_now_patch_notes/laon9wt/

[quick burrow]

the mk5 colum build performin well lads

[bitter turtle]

and has a smaller clip

and has that jank recoil

[wanton dawn]

Well, i measure great by how much i can compete with az & co in the scoreboard dmg race

[bitter turtle]

so you have to unads/ads trick

[wanton dawn]

Bolter can under some circumstance

[thick kestrel]

Kantreal gives you more ammo economy, the Helbores are better against harder targets

[bitter turtle]

meanwhile v7 actually is just aim and shoot

[flat pebble]

I don’t do that

[wanton dawn]

Recon cannot

[flat pebble]

with surgical by the time the recoil settles you have a guaranteed crit

[thick kestrel]

but the V7 is just by far my favourite for exe-stance counter sniping fun times :>

[bitter turtle]

yea and in the time you're waiting for that you could have shot 3 other enemies with v7 is kinda my point

[wanton dawn]

Bolter is way easier to use compare to v7. But bulwark buff left it sobbing

[thick kestrel]

heck it probably doesn't even need exe-stance... but it is nice to get that extra bit of targeting awareness to pick your way through enemy shooter swarms and clean up the occaisonal bodyshot.

[bitter turtle]

do you really think v7 is harder

i know u said that before but i find that strange idk

maybe im justr used to v7 more than bolter

[wanton dawn]

Cuz v7 need hs. Bolter do not

[thick kestrel]

in fairness the V7 really does need the headshot connects to get the most out of it

[flat pebble]

that’s not hoops that’s just shooting speed lol

[wanton dawn]

Also bolter has huge suppression

[thick kestrel]

and really struggles against carapace

[wanton dawn]

And cover pen

[bitter turtle]

then its just inferior if u dont do the hoop;s

[flat pebble]

in exchange for that I have a can opener rifle that can also spam against bosses with no brain wrinkles required

[bitter turtle]

is my point

[thick kestrel]

the boltgun does have the ability to just be a can-opener on full auto when needed

[bitter turtle]

if u do all the hoops its very similar

if not

[flat pebble]

maniac adm

[bitter turtle]

it has a lot of downsides

[bitter turtle]

v7 can 1tap flamers so it doenst really matter

[thick kestrel]

sometimes you just need to embrace the inner ogryn and just let the bolter go :>

[atomic zephyr]

is the accatran laspistol work picking up? i already have a fairly good roll of the kantrael one

[bitter turtle]

neither gun can 1tap dreg ragers unconditionally either

[flat pebble]

we’re gonna have to disagree on inferior

[wanton dawn]

So basically, i think bolter is more sluggish in everything but shooting

[flat pebble]

this happens every time I say I like the bolter and idrc to defend it every time

[thick kestrel]

nothing wrong with having pet weapons

[wanton dawn]

Plus i have 500h on bolter and 1 on v7

[bitter turtle]

well

that might do it

lmao

[thick kestrel]

I adore my mk7 tactical axe...

[atomic zephyr]

vraks 7 my beloved

[thick kestrel]

combat axes out class it... but it's my precious little headclever

(now finally fixed so it's light attack chain doesn't miss for no reason \o/)

[quick burrow]

my fav melee for vet is the chain sword because im a sucker for standards

[wanton dawn]

In any case, i still like bolter but really: plasma is better

[thick kestrel]

can't go wrong with a good chainsword, surprisingly versitile weapon

[quick burrow]

but if im trying to be cultured i whip out my chain axe

these are my blender babies

[thick kestrel]

honestly the mkIV chainsword might sit as our best jack of all trades weapon in a lot of situations

[wanton dawn]

Bolter need a swap speed increase

[thick kestrel]

Rampage + bloodletter and there isn't really anything it can't deal with "good enough"

[flat pebble]

outside of the edge case of bolter having better boss dps yeah unfortunately

[flat pebble]

or plasma a swap speed decrease lmao

[wanton dawn]

That is blessing dependent.

[toxic leaf]

thunderstrike to uncanny, infested to maniac?

[bitter turtle]

savage sweep is better solo blessing

ive tested both

if u do bletter + x

its better to do bletter + savage sweep

quite significantly

[flat pebble]

imo the only blessing combos for either worth taking are pinning fire+surgical and gets hot+blaze away

and the bolter roll does it better

[bitter turtle]

but yeah chsIV is my go to weapon if i couldnt take melee talent

its like one of the few melee for vet that functions fine w/o any melee ta lent at all

and i dont feel like playing psword

[wanton dawn]

My combo for boss is "switch to melee or launch a krak"

[toxic leaf]

krak with impved nades because you went middle tree

[wanton dawn]

If i do anything else in my group i get 0 boss dmg

[flat pebble]

If I have bolter I’m stunlocking the monstrosity with grenades and about for max pinning fire and mag dumping it

[toxic leaf]

just hope you have an ogryn in your group who knows his job is to be up in the boss's business, assuming a boss killing zealot isnt tagging along

[wanton dawn]

"- You have kraks ? -Yeah, 2. -K, we pull dh"

[toxic leaf]

sah! isnt dyin!

[thick kestrel]

mk7 Shovel is also in that convo I reckon. wonderfully versitile battlespoon.

[flat pebble]

if I can’t solo a monstrosity in any of my matches I’ve made my build wrong lol

[toxic leaf]

as long as it isnt beast of nurgle

that one is really hard to take solo...unless there is a door

[bitter turtle]

nah

its

unfortunately not as melee talent independent

if you want to oneshot crushers you need quite a few talents

[wanton dawn]

BoN is mostly a pain to deal with quickly sol9

[bitter turtle]

if you dont build it for that, i think its somewhat underwhelming

[thick kestrel]

I seem to mostly get by with a thrust Spike attack followed up by a quick light or two?

[bitter turtle]

the horde CC is alright but in terms of clear speed its not great

[thick kestrel]

and then it keeps you alive in a melee long enough

[toxic leaf]

i dont know what to use on vet if its not ps6

assuming no melee talents

[bitter turtle]

yea but like

if you're not killing crushers efficiently

wheny not just take chs which is way better at horde clear

[toxic leaf]

what is chs

[bitter turtle]

the only weakness of chs4 is that it is meh against crushers too

[thick kestrel]

I might be a bit overdepentant on my team admittedly... I typically play with buddies on coms

[flat pebble]

chain sword

[flat pebble]

shovel has crazy mobility