veteran-class

[frank ether]

if you don't have anything to add to a talk don't open your mouth

[slow spade]

Lol the newcomer is going to tell people how good they are

Yeah ok kiddo lol

[frank ether]

lmao

[serene bough]

Yeah but why do both bolt weapons not obliterate on body shot

[bitter turtle]

bc they got rebalanced into being finesse sniper weapons

[serene bough]

Its a giant soda can of explosive holy righteousness

[bitter turtle]

its a flavor fail ig

[slow spade]

Its mostly the low Infested damage for me

[bitter turtle]

since everyone wants to play it like full auto yeehaw gun

[slow spade]

Its like 50% damage vs infested lol

3 bolts to kill a dog

[serene bough]

I kind of prefer the yeehaw as long as pinning fire remains in its place

Zealots mag dumping bolt rounds feels more appropriate than a chunky dmr

[somber axle]

Dude are you ok? Because these are weird hills you're trying to pick to die on. And you don't need to go attack mode on people for no reason

[serene bough]

Bolt pistol explosive damage is a sneeze too

[somber axle]

Relax and enjoy game

[slow spade]

Just a newbie trying to act big

Ignore them

Reminds me of people coming in here going "no trust me, EVERYONE here is using recon wrong"

[somber axle]

Everyone is fighting different battles so I don't judge. I have no idea why a dude is rude and sometimes people just need to take a moment and take a breath

Step away and chill

[slow spade]

I just think its funny

[somber axle]

Summer heat is fucking wild

[last parcel]

go punch a heretic

[serene bough]

Can I pick a fight with the recon cat

[slow spade]

:p

[last parcel]

wait let me get some cookies first

[somber axle]

I don't know how to fight, I only know how to dance

[slow spade]

Amasec as a mission stim pls

[serene bough]

Ok ill fight you, you dodge

[slow spade]

3 stam curios + shovel 💪

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-bear-breakdance-gif-4931693

[slow spade]

Butterfly build

[serene bough]

Man, that gif is nostalgic

@somber axle show me your bistol build

[somber axle]

Yeah one sec

I am bouncing back and forth between work and discord atm

I know Rending Strikes and Chink in their Armour is weird

But the Rending really does push the Boltpistol into 1HKO territory on Crushers for some reason

And the Rending is also somehow more value than 8 stack Focus Target

[bitter turtle]

you're going to have to explain to me how this is reliable

boltpistol in comparison at the same range

[frank ether]

as I expected lmao, using a spread weapon like a true bozo

[somber axle]

Even without 10 stack Marksman' Focus the Boltpistol should still 2HKO or 3HKO Crushers

It ends up being a fun weapon because it can also 1HKO Muties

[serene bough]

Is this not super overkill

[somber axle]

And hits the 1HKO on dogs

[bitter turtle]

idk why i bothered to try to engage with you in good faith, but ok

do what you like

[elder oriole]

agri hot poopoo

i win

[last parcel]

that’s like, sneaky’s purpose here though

[somber axle]

Surprisingly no. You can drop Longshot and The Bigger They Are for 2 more points to swap as you like. Longshot isn't necessary for 1HKO breakpoint but I like using it to help more consistently kill targets at long range

You actually do need Exe Stance, Marksman's Focus, Rending Strikes and Chink in their Armour in combo with Carapace perk, Superiority Complex, For the Emperor and Marksman to achieve the 1HKO breakpoint on Crusher

[terse idol]

Wasn't the whole discussion about the agri

Plush wth are you on about

[serene bough]

True

[somber axle]

But the good news is that it doesn't require Fire Team, 15 stack Marksman's Focus or Close Quarters Kill Zone

[serene bough]

Thats a lot to manage

[bitter turtle]

u can get better range if you stand still on agri and its accurate further out but u dont need to stand still on boltpistol to get accurace shots beyond 15m

idk how this is not an upside but w/e

[slow spade]

That's why you have 3 teammates c:

3 shield ogryns covering you at all times 💪

[last parcel]

no i blew them with barrels already

[serene bough]

I love blowing my teammates with barrels

[slow spade]

Maelstrom? :D

Barrel modifier? Back to anything else

[somber axle]

I know it sounds like a lot to juggle but in practice it isn't nearly as hard as it seems. Camo lets you casually generate MF stacks when standing still to better get to/maintain 10 stack MF for Chink in their Armour rending and the refresh on Exe Stance ends up comboing very well to keep it going constantly. The CD reset from Tactical Awareness lets you just keep up the pressure and Exe Stance has some value for activating the ability even when refresh and CD reduction means Exe Stance is still active because using the ability will proc Marksman/For the Emperor for an extra burst of damage. That bursty damage on ability use helps for bursting bosses and 1HKOing Muties/Crushers on headshot

[slow spade]

I just wish it was easier to get headshots on chaos spawn

So hard to get good value with bolt pistol on them

[somber axle]

I did all the math and clown science work behind the curtain to test the breakpoints on it so I can dance with my Boltpistol on the Auric stage

[serene bough]

Clown science has too many variables

[somber axle]

Variables are fun things to juggle

https://tenor.com/view/fail-toss-tossing-bowling-pin-juggling-juggling-gif-14727402

[elder oriole]

juggle

[frank ether]

please, I can only take so many morons at once

you're using a spread weapon, shooting it ON THE MOVE and then complain its not accurate

[bitter turtle]

even if u stand still

the effective range of boltpistol is still better

albeit it prob matters less when you are not shooting either at 30m+

but being able to shoot on the move while being accurate is a +

of bpistol over agri volver

to clarify

i never "complained" about agri revolver

i have

5 of them

[elder oriole]

my brother in sheist you dont have time to stand still unless you're playing slop difficulty lmao

[bitter turtle]

no

you do have time to stand still

but

its still a positive

of Bpistol

if you dont need to

agri has its own positives as well

[elder oriole]

the only positive is full mag reload

in exchange for not hitting anything

[serene bough]

I only wish the bistol's explosive damage wasn't so pitifuly miniscule

Feels like it just ticks for 20-50 damage

[slow spade]

Yeah I wish it did more damage or more stagger

Doesn't even stagger maulers :c

[elder oriole]

it seems like a decent option for the shotgun users tbh

gonna try it out over agri shotty and see how it feels

[shadow dagger]

i genuinely dunno what this guy is getting at

[slow spade]

Surprisingly, the new shotgun has like 15 cleave

[terse idol]

I just don't think it's that bad due to it just being a mag dump variant of zarona

[slow spade]

So its surprisingly ammo efficient

[elder oriole]

i mean let me rephrase

i hate the revolvers personally

not because they're bad

[slow spade]

Wish it had more pierce though...

[elder oriole]

but i dislike them and when agri is overall worse than zarona then my hate increases

dont get it twisted zarona is busted but i find them boring for the most part

[terse idol]

I just want the zarona to either have abit of cleave or just commit to being like, hollow point rounds

I mean agri

That's valid doe meat

[elder oriole]

was about to say

[terse idol]

Me as I get it twisted

I've been watching too much northernlion help

[elder oriole]

gonna try it out as i haven't updated yet

[frank ether]

What difficulty do you want me to bring it to?

I'll record to full game just so you tards can shut the fuck up

[elder oriole]

dont care

[slow spade]

Ah ok good luck with it c:

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon gg

[faint beacon]

yeah seriously, god this game sometimes

[slow spade]

Just don't try to snipe with it lol

Has that Call of Duty damage dropoff

[frank ether]

you want to shoot at stupid ranges, waiting for gun sway is fine but standing still 0.02 seconds to stabilize spread isn't

[faint beacon]

Both of us consistently Freezing

[frank ether]

there is not a single fps player playing this game lmao

[severe zinc]

Thoughts on the Hellebore?

[last parcel]

i think they’re trying to gatekeep auric maelstrom (adms?) by implying if your stopping power is that low, you shouldn’t be there

[elder oriole]

i mean as long as it competes with agri shotty im fine

[elder oriole]

great gun bad swap speed

[serene bough]

Good guns

Mk1 or 2 generally preferred by folks

[slow spade]

It definitely won't compete at range 😔

[slow spade]

I have a near perfect mk3. Why do you hate me Fatshark

[bitter turtle]

whats your excuse now

[frank ether]

What excuse? You all are the ones constantly changing goalposts lmao

[severe zinc]

I am a Mk3 enjoyer and have a damn near perfect one

[elder oriole]

but it has mag reloads so doesn't matter that much. how's the pierce

[bitter turtle]

vs boltpistol at same range

and yes even those crits wer eheadshots

my crits on bpistol dont actually kill flamer lul

[severe zinc]

Just need better Weight of Fire

[bitter turtle]

on bodyshot

[shadow dagger]

idk if he thought either only "good" gear should be brought into adms or that im not shooting specials at all

[terse idol]

I just don't think the agris role was ever long range

And I mean, yeah it's braced

[bitter turtle]

its not

and im not saying agri is bad

[severe zinc]

Also good god

[bitter turtle]

or someshit

this whole

[terse idol]

Yeah

[bitter turtle]

stupid arguemnt started

bc plush is saying there is no advantage of bpistol

even compared to agri revolver

[slow spade]

15 cleave so it'll rip through anything in front of it. But keep in mind 2 rounds so I'd get a reload talent/blessing

[terse idol]

[elder oriole]

na

[shadow dagger]

but i was buddy systemed with another guy for most of it so i guess he just didnt see me do it

[bitter turtle]

that its not more precise

[slow spade]

Oh THAT'S what its all about?

[elder oriole]

ye

[slow spade]

Bro has to be trolling

[elder oriole]

probably

[shadow dagger]

what are go to perks on new shotgun btw

[bitter turtle]

man u reply faster than i can post the vids

[slow spade]

I go Speedloader + the "crit per enemy hit" blessing"

[bitter turtle]

i have no "excuses"

[elder oriole]

also why are people complaining about not being able to kill poxwalkers with bpistol?

[bitter turtle]

or goalpost shifting

idk what u are talking about

i said

in the very beginning

"well bpistol is more precise"

[elder oriole]

imagine shooting chaff

[slow spade]

Bolters do 50% damage to infested

[bitter turtle]

and u went off on me

[shadow dagger]

those look like blessings to me

[bitter turtle]

idk what is up with you today

[elder oriole]

so dogs and walkers

[last parcel]

bro tried rolling another rashad

[slow spade]

Oh woops lol

I go Flak + Maniac

[elder oriole]

that moment when ranged feels irrelevant when rashad

[slow spade]

Infested has a niche of letting you 1-shot kill poxwalkers at all ranges

[bitter turtle]

being able to shoot on the move isnt even a worthless hting

yeah i totally dont want to be able to shoot on the move on wep specialist guns

[slow spade]

And poxbursters UwU

[bitter turtle]

totally not an advantage

even if u tell me 30m is not practical

[elder oriole]

thank god bm nerf isn't gonna gut how rashad works for the most part

[slow spade]

Ogryn folding shovel is big sad though :c

[rapid palm]

did they nerf it again?

[elder oriole]

changed how it interacts with crushers

or gonna

[slow spade]

Bug fix so it can't just wipe out entire ogryn patrols

[shadow dagger]

ogryn enemies but yeah its really a technicality

[slow spade]

^

You have to be super lucky for it to be relevant

[elder oriole]

seems like a targeted change towards ogryn

and maybe pws3?

[shadow dagger]

not like youll see 4 bulwarks or reapers sitting directly on top of each other like you do with crushers

[slow spade]

Basically no one else can abuse it

[elder fiber]

yeah its just so mkv shovel doesn't kill 4 crushers lined up

[rapid palm]

will power sword with cycler 4 and BM 4 still be good vs crushers?

[elder fiber]

yes

[elder oriole]

yeah

[slow spade]

Yes if you do push attacks

[rigid pilot]

Not 4 at once but still good

[elder oriole]

mk6 still has the same push stab interaction so you can oneshot

[flat pebble]

it’s literally just BM can’t hit more than 1 ogryn enemy at once

[slow spade]

A push attack should kill a crusher in 2-3 hits

[rapid palm]

oki

[flat pebble]

they didn’t like, gut BM or anything

[elder oriole]

the pushstab CAN cleave but rarely does so its not even relevant

against crushers/maulers anyways

[rigid pilot]

It's just something to let pickaxes shine

[bitter turtle]

btw

[elder oriole]

with bm carapace mk6 gets a quick push attack sequence that 1 shots essentially

[white minnow]

plush moment

[frank ether]

maybe if you tried to aim at the head and not above the shoulder you'd hit a shot

[fiery geyser]

are the bleed traits on the bolt pistol any good

[elder oriole]

na they're trolling lmao

[rapid palm]

yes, it can make bodyshots more consistant

[tall torrent]

I like this

[frank ether]

I'll do it myself

[elder oriole]

you can't have consistently dookie takes

[serene bough]

Fancy

[elder oriole]

find god

[fiery geyser]

honestly didnt like the shotgun much

[slow spade]

Ah I didn't run Carapace good to know

[fiery geyser]

i found the slug shotty way better

[frank ether]

''can't hit past 15m with the revolver'' is not a dookie take mhm

[elder oriole]

i mean most shotties are just a fun option. not sure about the new one

[last parcel]

if only you had the psyker bdsm vox caster

[slow spade]

It has its place due to 15 cleave + damage but man that range

[fiery geyser]

it just doesnt kill on damnation without having to use both shots

[slow spade]

Even with rending to help boost its range, it hurts

[serene bough]

I didn't realize the bdsm vox is psyker only

[fiery geyser]

meanwhile the slug will onetap pretty much everything on headshot

[serene bough]

Sad

[rapid palm]

the new one is super fun but you have to build around it, its nowhere near as verstile as the others

[elder oriole]

how quickly does it reload

[fiery geyser]

slow\

[last parcel]

idk i just pulled that out of my ass

not my mouth

[slow spade]

Without modifiers, slow enough to notice

[tall torrent]

prob my fav fit outside of kasrkin

[serene bough]

Source: trust me bro

[elder oriole]

add another to the fatshark L list

[slow spade]

Still a strong gun

[serene bough]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[elder oriole]

now here's the real question

plasma gun nerf when

[rigid pilot]

They need to make both barrels talent work on hit and not kill

[slow spade]

Longshot + the reload talent covered my reload needs

[fiery geyser]

if they made the double barrel faster and have some more range it would be fun

could play the game like doom

[rigid pilot]

So it would actually be a boss pick

[slow spade]

It did already UwU

[fiery geyser]

just really slow

[somber axle]

BDSM Vox is on Veteran, Psyker and Zealot

[serene bough]

I want to find a snowy outfit

[elder oriole]

release plasma gun don't count

[serene bough]

But

[slow spade]

Blaze Away 8% damage -> 7% damage

[elder oriole]

SHEEESH

[serene bough]

Idk what to mix with

[slow spade]

Plasma users on suicide watch

[serene bough]

Its over

Plasma meta is done

[elder oriole]

just fuck its cleave up

give it like 2 cleave

[bitter turtle]

lol

[elder oriole]

done

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/377f457b41ece6f1706fedcbcf96df72.png

[elder oriole]

fuck plasma gun

[slow spade]

Give plasma AOE

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/72e0fb63ffb590273992152a675e62ed.png

overlaid on top of a flamer with no text or aiming reticule in the way

[slow spade]

Its HIM

[bitter turtle]

im clearly on the head

and even so

if ur telling me

that is "reliable" at that range

then that is funny

also

[elder oriole]

they're ragebaiting

i hope you realize

[last parcel]

real eyes

realize

[white minnow]

no plush is genuinely stupid

[last parcel]

real lies

[rigid pilot]

Remove cleave from uncharged and give charged shot 99999 cleave

[serene bough]

Thnx

[somber axle]

The US presidential debates are on right now and this is way more entertaining to watch LMFAO

[bitter turtle]

notice the headshot

i did

right before the clip started

u dont even 1tap at that range

[elder oriole]

ngl im not even sure i spelt it right

[bitter turtle]

lol

[slow spade]

Omg I'm voting 3rd party 😩

[serene bough]

Im not interested in our presidential debates

[somber axle]

[last parcel]

i'm voting for plush

[rapid palm]

thats actuly not a bad idea, give more reason to use the charge shot

[bitter turtle]

u need to crit to 1 tap at this range from falloff

[slow spade]

The fact it uses 9 ammo and an ammo tin gives 25 makes me sad

[bitter turtle]

so ur double wrong

[rigid pilot]

If you line up the entire population of atoma in a single file, you just need one plasma vet to end chaos

[elder oriole]

you know those old arcade shooter games

type shit

[somber axle]

Yeah I'm not either. I already have my mind made up on who I am voting for so it's just fanfare for people on the fence

[frank ether]

???

https://streamable.com/rgyyca

https://streamable.com/uadqpk

I have to zoom in to 15 FoV to illustrate how fucking pointless it is to shoot at 50 meters to begin with, but just to get a point across

[somber axle]

It's way funnier watching this discord to see debates here

[slow spade]

They should remove all the handholding from debates

I want to see what they REALLY want to say 😎

[frank ether]

There is like no wonder gunplay is so dog in this game

they take their feedback from very smart people like you

what was the other tard take oh yeah, ''can't make that work in a real game''

[atomic zephyr]

gunplay in this game being dog is certainly a take

[frank ether]

the weapon I take to auric mael like every single day lmao

[somber axle]

They should make the presidents, congressmen and senators fight to the death bare handed Ork style for their positions. Only the strongest leaders will rule. You'll get rid of the entire line of raisin bran people in a flash

[frank ether]

can't stand still for 0.02 seconds to nail that 50 meter shot bro so true

[bitter turtle]

why did you record yourself critting most of those shots lol

also needing to crouch is another extra step

[frank ether]

Oh but I'm shifting goalposts right lmao

[bitter turtle]

uh

[frank ether]

yeah bro I'm deliberately paying hadron to make my bullets crit

[orchid hemlock]

Yall have seen this discord?

[bitter turtle]

im saying that idk if ur actually hitting head in those vids

i rerecorded if i crit lol

to make it clear

[slow spade]

2 rocks, all crimes forgiven after match.

[orchid hemlock]

I've once seen a chat room with 150 people simultaneously "" "" "" "debating" "" "" "" "

[slow spade]

maximum slurs

[somber axle]

Ghazghkull is the strongest and he says we're going to the biggest WAAAAGH anyone's seen to krump Angron for killing Old Bale Eye

[frank ether]

Continue being stupid crybabies man

[somber axle]

Ghazghkull for president

[frank ether]

Its literally all you're good for

[radiant chasm]

bruh it's a video game

why you hef to be mad

[atomic zephyr]

wtf are you guys on about

[frank ether]

5 people declare me stupid because I dared to say you can in fact shoot shit with the braced gun .d

[atomic zephyr]

this scares me

[white minnow]

no i called you stupid because you like to go off on people randomly

[elder oriole]

nobody said you're stupid

but I will dont worry

[somber axle]

No and I cut Twitter out of my life too. I don't like watching political debates because they make me cringe almost every single time

[white minnow]

e.g., me when i posted that DPS table because you were too stupid to read the context above and continued ranting even though i explained the context

[bitter turtle]

look

idgaf about your curated clip with half of them being potentially crit bodyshots

[orchid hemlock]

The horrors I have seen are impossible to describe 😔

[bitter turtle]

this is not on his shoulder

i even reloaded

to line it up

with the dot

[slow spade]

"Wathammer discord"

"Why you hef to be mad"

Smh that's like 80% of the fun 😔

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/4eb97b37677a5a1f9f9a52909a26fa6f.png

u cannot tell me this is his shoulder

lol

[somber axle]

I have been spared many horrors. Friends and family shielded me from visiting the weird stuff both irl and on the internet so I try not to undo the work they did LOL

[frank ether]

kekw, what is the goalpost now

we went from ''can't hit past 15 meters'' to ''its not %100 accurate at all ranges''

[somber axle]

OK well maybe I'm not that good at trying not to undo things given I am in a clown costume here but I tried

[slow spade]

Me looking up Dark Angels on reddit to see my favorite space marine chapter :D

[bitter turtle]

i said

from the beginning

[white minnow]

that's been his original point no?

[bitter turtle]

15m was for on the move shooting

but u said

"on the move shooting is stupid'

[elder oriole]

maybe dont crit bodyshot with tag while crouching lmao

[somber axle]

I looked up Gears of War lore and discovered how Locusts "processed" captured human civilians and cogs. That stuff is REALLY fucked up and the story of Dom trying to find Maria is a nightmare once you read what she went through before he found her

[elder oriole]

but hey if you find the time to do all of that every time kudos to you

[somber axle]

I didn't understand why Tai died the way he did in Gears of War when I originally played it

Now I do

[elder oriole]

i thought i was a hater but damn

this all started because of bpistol no?

how its so dogshit that its worse than agri rev

[slow spade]

Idk about you but I always have time 💅

[elder oriole]

funny thing is they're both equally shit but mans gotta prove his shit weapon is the better shit weapon

[orchid hemlock]

OK the real elephant 🐘 in the room here, I had no idea people still unironically used "kekw"

[elder oriole]

actual karktide moment

[slow spade]

That's why I can't read

Can't be cursed

[slow spade]

Bolt pistol is trying :c

500 base damage, DA, Surgical :c

[somber axle]

It works very effectively for me

[slow spade]

Same

Fuck chaos spawn though

[frank ether]

Neat a new one to the list

[slow spade]

I just have to melee that one

[somber axle]

All weapons in the game are viable for Aurics

[elder oriole]

dont get me wrong i enjoy em regardless but its funny how this guy is getting so heated over nothing

[somber axle]

Play what you want LOL

[frank ether]

''what do you want me to do for you to shut the fuck up''

''don't care''

Continues to moan and bitch at me

man what do you want? genuinely

[flat pebble]

I kinda wanna know what the processing is like

[slow spade]

Power sword + plasma for something exciting 😎

[elder oriole]

just ignore me ig lmao

[bitter turtle]

so perfectly accurate i can actually aim over the shoulder and hit a headshot

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/atlantis-you-dont-wanna-know-secret-disney-shouldnt-have-told-me-gif-17814673

[elder oriole]

i doubt you wont be mad af regardless

[frank ether]

First thing you've said so far that has any thought behind it

[bitter turtle]

https://i.gyazo.com/1e41dd825f07a188bf21c4aef3e1884b.png
https://i.gyazo.com/3ec4e207b1b24064f122fabe8e9d31fb.png

[flat pebble]

evidently everyone logged on today to fight about a video game

i just wanna know gears of war lore

[somber axle]

Bullet magnetism is how people who can't aim get the courage to claim they can shoot better than others

[elder oriole]

plush

rev is shit

[bitter turtle]

no

[elder oriole]

now watch him type out an essay

[bitter turtle]

because apparently wh en i aimed on head that didnt count

[somber axle]

It is how controller players think they can compete with mouse and keyboard

[bitter turtle]

it was actually on the shoulder*

[somber axle]

This is the way to balance

[bitter turtle]

now i aim over shoulder to prove a point

[tall torrent]

this test tube 9000 bs needs to stop

[bitter turtle]

im sorry

i wanted to see if scopes actually did anything on agri LOL

they dont

[slow spade]

Krak grenade is just how all the bullets work UwU

[bitter turtle]

this is my shitty trickshooter one anyway dw

[somber axle]

That's even funnier LMFAO

I bet it's because the bullet is the same as a Huntsman bow shot from TF2 and is so big it's hard to miss the target at all but if it is too low it hits chest first

[tall torrent]

I've still yet to see what the bullet magnetism in DT actually is, besides the patched out IAG bullet drift

[frank ether]

In huntsmans case its the hitboxes that are weapon specific

[somber axle]

Revolvers have pretty aggressive magnetism or at the very least extra large projectile size to make hitting the target easier

[rare bough]

Was gunna come and talk about my thoughts on the bolt pistol but I see people are already in the trenches over it. Will keep my opinion to myself lmao

[orchid hemlock]

Tell me

[tall torrent]

large hitreg is a very different thing from "bullet magnetism"

[elder oriole]

if you can kill shit and don't die while using its viable

that's literally it

[somber axle]

I miss TF2 every day dude and if it ever gets fixed I'll go back but the bot crisis never stopped. The Automatons won and Super Earth is a ruin but people play on hidden private servers to shield themselves from the bots

[elder oriole]

or you can slave away as a plasma autoturret

pick your poison

[flat pebble]

they just shoot bullets the size of tangerines

[somber axle]

Yeah I can't tell if it's magnetism or large projectile size but it is one or the other and in both cases makes it so people with poor aim can try to flex

[rare bough]

lmao a spoon is a viable weapon with that logic. Just don't die

[tall torrent]

it's not magnetism

[flat pebble]

revolver in this game is like destiny handcannons on crack

it’s free real estate: the shooting experience

[elder oriole]

i mean a majority of the game is good movement and melee

[white minnow]

it's what i'd call magnetism given that it's like d2

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/10MORYsuriBvkS/d1337YJ5ncIb?invite=cr-MSxFUEwsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[frank ether]

when I still had a r*ddit account I was bullied by like 10 people for saying TF2 has a bot problem lmao

[elder oriole]

better weapons kill quicker ofc but what happens when everyones running meta

[somber axle]

Do you think nerfing the Zarona Revolver projectile size would be too heavy handed as a nerf? Or would it be the right direction to nerf it? No touching damage or cleave, just reduce projectile size so players who aim right can maintain their weakspot hits

[elder oriole]

essentially whoever shoots first gets highest score

as long as you can deal with your own shit and not be an active detriment to the team its whatever

[white minnow]

it's one of the ways i'd nerf it since there's no point in being a low-ammo count weapon with high weakspot multis if weakspots are that reliable

[flat pebble]

it’s called aim assist in d2 fwiw

[tall torrent]

I think just nerfing weapon specialist's refill ammo subnode to round down is enough

[somber axle]

9 of those people were bots and the 10th is a deluded TF2 fan playing on Uncletopia in a private server saying the bots are not a problem because Uncle Dane shields his baby face from bot intruders

[white minnow]

yeah just what i see it colloquially referred to as

[flat pebble]

I’d use bullet magnetism, aim assist and large projectiles kinda interchangeable tbh

[somber axle]

Ooo that would be a CRAZY nerf to Weapon Specialist

[white minnow]

maybe there's a more technical definition it i see it thrown enough in that context to say i'd consider that "magnetism" as it is understood by a lot of people

[bitter turtle]

i dont think wep specialist should be nerfed for revolver's sins

[flat pebble]

the only thing I’d add is controller players get aim slowdown/ “reticle friction” which is typically more significant in practice than aim assist

[tall torrent]

round down is me trolling, but srsly I think maybe a cooldown to ammo refill wouldn't be a horrible idea

[somber axle]

Ok that is more reasonable

[rare bough]

aw but I love that shit on the double barrel

[tall torrent]

bypassing reload almost entirely is kind of cringe?

[distant peak]

W or L roll

[white minnow]

my solution would be to not have it round up

[distant peak]

and how to make better

[tall torrent]

use both barrels like a real man and witness the glory of the unique reload animation

[somber axle]

Give it the Survivalist Aura treatment. 5 sec CD on auto reload when swapping

[white minnow]

and you have to hit the percentages to get ammo back instead of it rounding up

[somber axle]

Let it keep the bonus to reload speed

Ezpz

[flat pebble]

could make it work like survivalist does now for ogryn weapons

[distant peak]

p sure it also does more damage than just firing both indibidually

[flat pebble]

Has to add up to whole numbers over time

[distant peak]

playing middle tree for reference

[tall torrent]

yes because brace fire increases per pellet dmg on this gun

[distant peak]

mhm mhm

it does for some reason lol

[frank ether]

Last I played uncletopia was the only server with a decent-ish experience anyway, Idk why ppl talk like this is a new issue

[distant peak]

OH UH question! what melee should i pair w it? im just using the shock maul

[frank ether]

anything you like

[white minnow]

e.g., since it's 3.3% mag per stack, you'd have to kill 7 enemies (23.1%) to get a single revolver bullet

[distant peak]

fair enough! maul it is

[frank ether]

maul is cool

[distant peak]

which perks should i go for? on it ( shotgun )

i'm vibing w it heavy

[frank ether]

I havent really done the math for maul breakpoints yet so I can't say

[distant peak]

fair fair

[frank ether]

but honestly with the hadron RNG it won't be fully up to you lol

just roll one and see what you end up with

[distant peak]

i'm happy with this one lol

[frank ether]

I'd swap ranged crit damage to something else personally

[elder oriole]

rashad caxe is a solid all rounder option for vet

[frank ether]

I'm not very knowledged in shotgun blessings Idk if this thing even shares the same blessing pool as others

[somber axle]

The extra servers are where the fun games happen. Casual servers were only ever for 1000+ hour players to pubstomp until another 1000+ hour player marches in and they go to war or mutually ignore each other to pubstomp each other's teams LOL

[distant peak]

was thinkiong so. any ideas?

[frank ether]

either flak or maniac would do more help than the %8 crit dmg

[rigid pilot]

Smaul is also a nice all-rounder imo

[distant peak]

flak sounds good

[rigid pilot]

Decent vs carapace, decent vs hordes

[distant peak]

i can't remember what maniac is ngl

mutants? right>

[elder oriole]

muties ragers

mostly

[distant peak]

oooh ragers

[frank ether]

maniac would be dreg ragers, flamer and muties

[distant peak]

hm

ty ty

[flat pebble]

It does not

[flat pebble]

Crit damage to flak or maniac and run n gun to both barrels

[distant peak]

and flak would be most armoured things besides like, ogryns and maulers

[terse idol]

It's just uhh

Harsh to build

Also, low mobility

[flat pebble]

well, mauler heads are carapace, body is flak

random bulwark and reaper armor bits are also carapace but it’s not worth thinking about

[elder oriole]

has 5 dodges

[distant peak]

Oooh gotcha

[terse idol]

Crushers are all Cara

[distant peak]

Man

Ok

[terse idol]

They're short

[elder oriole]

its no knife zealot but it works

[terse idol]

If anything

[distant peak]

I think imma do flak then

Cuz i have troubke with maulers

But not ragers or muties

Ty for the input! Adn then i’ll just save the second refinement for a better blessing or smn down the line

[frank ether]

When I last I played in uncletopia I managed to beat a 10.000 hour pyro main (never switched class) in pyro v pyro duel and then he proceeded to send very colorful messages on my profile and turbo aggro'd me for the rest of the session .d TF2 players are very special 💜

[terse idol]

I swear the rashad was about as bad as the powersword for mobility wasn't it?

[elder oriole]

nowhere near as bad as something like psword no

[terse idol]

It's below average

[flat pebble]

power sword has exceptionally bad mobility

I don’t think rashad is quite on that level

[somber axle]

I mained Spy because I am a dork so I am used to people hunting me relentlessly

[elder oriole]

caxe is pretty neutral

[somber axle]

It is a fun part of TF2

[frank ether]

Spy is fun

[elder oriole]

psword is like negative distance

[frank ether]

dodoo class but its fun in pubs

[somber axle]

Engineer is my most played TF2 class though, second is Medic, Spy just behind both

But I love Spy most

[frank ether]

you don't play spy to like win anyways

[somber axle]

I just always default into playing support

[distant peak]

Holy darn my shock maul is 2 70’s and 3 80’s (rounding by 1 or 2 percent on a couple)

[somber axle]

I would play support in Darktide too if it wasn't Voice of Command

[terse idol]

Spy is good enough in like, your average game
Skrims it's hard

[somber axle]

Bubble Psyker my beloved

[frank ether]

If you want to babysit play ogryn

[terse idol]

Peak spy gameplay was always hide in the right place

[somber axle]

I already do play Tauntgryn

[frank ether]

not even saying this in an insulting way

[elder oriole]

zealot has lowkey crazy gold toughness

[frank ether]

genuinely ogryn is the best babysitter in this game

[somber axle]

Taunt + Skullcrusher blessing is an amazing combo

[elder oriole]

from the broken zealot cdr nodes

[somber axle]

I kinda want to play my Ogryn after work now

[rigid pilot]

Didn't they fix that already

[slow spade]

Weren't those nerfed?

[rigid pilot]

Nerf*

[last parcel]

become an ogryn at work

[somber axle]

I have no interest in the pickaxe but there's a new skin for shield

[last parcel]

"excuse me where is the bathro-"
rock

[somber axle]

I am too short for that

[elder oriole]

still get your ca within 5-10 seconds anyways

[frank ether]

Its still pretty good but Idk why I'd play it over charge on zealot

[bitter turtle]

i want to run volley adept both barrels

[somber axle]

I'm like a ratling sniper

[bitter turtle]

but man

longshot is literally

worthless

[frank ether]

I guess book is very strong but the problem is you just sit there and have to rely on teammates to capitalize on it

[rigid pilot]

Zealot is charge

[frank ether]

and thats boooring

[slow spade]

My flamer zealot

[rigid pilot]

Zealot with no charge goes into the bin

Like Andy with woody

[elder oriole]

book is bad in that in bad teams it makes your teammates play even worse

[frank ether]

why did you had to remind me, now my mood is sour

I knew I was forgetting about something

[elder oriole]

because they keep crutching on the cc and gold toughness

[frank ether]

flamer got no compensation buff either this is so sadge

[slow spade]

It was my only good auric build 😞

[frank ether]

It may still be fine though, we'll see

[flat pebble]

don’t bring it up in zealot chat or you’ll get flamed

people over there think it’s perfectly fine

[elder oriole]

just make burn ticks last longer and watch it be unbelievably broken with uncanny on any melee

[terse idol]

The pve horde coop shooter game needing coop

[flat pebble]

imo it’s not bad but it could be given an upward nudge

[terse idol]

Honestly I hope they add in mooore

[elder oriole]

speaking of

[terse idol]

Because I'm not thrilled about one man armies

[slow spade]

Its cope from all the plasteel used to make their flamers

[elder oriole]

wonder if they'll ever gimp uncanny

[slow spade]

I think I spent around 20k plasteel

[slow spade]

Ogryn 😎

[elder oriole]

its actually not the worst for mixed hordes but relies on uncanny on a melee

which says alot about uncanny

[flat pebble]

someone was accusing people of abusing exploits for the people who utilized the armor downgrade mechanic on ranged weapons with chastise

like they were immoral for it or something

[slow spade]

Yeah but seeing only my name in kill feeds is fun

[slow spade]

Lol that's an interesting take

[flat pebble]

i mean, zealot chat

whaddayagonnado

[white minnow]

don't worry i'm not only in zealot chat

flamer is fine

[slow spade]

If Zealot had more rending options, I probably wouldn't lean on it so hard

[junior needle]

I haven't seen a single person take a flamer into auric 5's in months

[flat pebble]

i wish they undid the flamer ammo nerf at the very least

[junior needle]

Months where I was actually playing that is

[white minnow]

ammo is also still fine

[somber axle]

Double down on exploiting and say aiming down sights on any weapon is exploiting. Dodging is now exploiting. Reloading? Funny enough: exploiting. The best way to beat an idiot is to go down to their level, wave at them and then dive lower to the point they struggle to even understand what's going on anymore

[white minnow]

because you can just let the DoT cook enemies

[flat pebble]

it’s not like being good at clearing hordes is some exceptional thing for a zealot weapon

[white minnow]

people just hold onto the trigger too much

[elder oriole]

its got like one usecase and thats mixed hordes with uncanny

[somber axle]

Embrace clown tactics

[white minnow]

but it's not just hordes

[slow spade]

I see it occasionally in non-aurics

[white minnow]

human elite packs are going to be melted

[elder oriole]

if youre good with throwing knives its actually pretty strong

[white minnow]

and it still has infinite cleave to go through crushers

[frank ether]

Last I checked they were busy complaining about survivalist, something something it ruins scab only no ammo, (psyker peril edging totally fine though kekw)

[flat pebble]

mixed hordes, hordes, i mean groups of enemies

[frank ether]

Happy about survivalist nerf though, dont get me wrong

[white minnow]

don't worry i also want psyker nerfs

[flat pebble]

survivalist nerf was justified

And it’s still very very strong

[slow spade]

Survivalist needs a buff 😎

[white minnow]

yeah, and flamer has the cleave for the deathballs that can accumulate

[somber axle]

Do you think Ogryns are upset about Surv Aura nerf?

[elder oriole]

it'll basically kill everything but crushers in mixed hordes while bringing crushers down to around half health as long as you keep uncanny up

[somber axle]

They've probably moved on by this point

[flat pebble]

ummmm actually it should be universal on EVERY class without having to spend a talent point on it

[frank ether]

It was, though I mainly wanted it nuked so morons would stop harassing me for having the meme aura

[slow spade]

What I saw is mostly people going "saw it coming"

[somber axle]

The Ogryns are always the smartest and most reasonable people in the room I swear

[elder oriole]

funny thing is surv aura is still good

people mad because they can't rely on nothing but ranged

[frank ether]

still is, but its now perceived as ''bad''

[flat pebble]

did you use the flamer at launch

[frank ether]

Like how people perceive assail as ''bad''

its not bad

its fucking busted

[slow spade]

I wish the speed and damage aura didn't get such a bad rep. The points saved can help more :c

[white minnow]

nah i only started maining zealot after p13

[flat pebble]

flamer at launch compared to flamer now is the reason I have this take

it used to be glorious

[rigid pilot]

Imagine being a player that cares about other's auras

[white minnow]

so even more op

[slow spade]

Launch flamer was hilarious

It was ungodly bright

[rigid pilot]

Launch flamer didn't even need chastise to melt everything lmao

[slow spade]

Like it just turned the room white

[frank ether]

you would not believe how many people did especially around the initial talent rework

[flat pebble]

“Even more” I would hesitate to call it op now if your implication is to be taken at face value

[elder oriole]

surv aura nerf felt so good

[frank ether]

Also this happened only once, just once but I had a big frag ogryn flame me for not taking field improv

[flat pebble]

but our opinions obviously differ

[white minnow]

it depends since it's situationally good

but infinite cleave should be deleted from the game

[somber axle]

I love Psyker crit aura but I don't beg for Psykers to use it for me

[white minnow]

that's my take

[elder oriole]

i get to go straight down the middle for my other more important nodes

and not get shit for it

[frank ether]

lasguns kinda never cared anyway

[slow spade]

As an Infiltrate and VoC user, please use the cdr aura UwU

[flat pebble]

I mean it’s always been dogshit at carapace

[frank ether]

you have shock trooper

[rigid pilot]

Trauma psykers 🫡

[white minnow]

delete

[elder oriole]

lasguns are fine for the most part

[slow spade]

I wonder if purg is infinite cleave

[elder oriole]

but helbore

[rigid pilot]

Make DT VT2 again

[white minnow]

yeah

purg is the same but just shorter range and worse DoT

[slow spade]

Ah ok

[elder oriole]

i just wish it would swap quicker without having to cancel reload

[rigid pilot]

Yes it's really strong even though no one thinks so

[frank ether]

plas/zarona

[white minnow]

good point

delete finite cleave

[flat pebble]

plasma isn’t at infinite as it could be

[frank ether]

don't think anything else is in need of nuking from orbit

[slow spade]

Indeed, never understood why but then I see other psykers use it

[flat pebble]

it could be more infinite

[frank ether]

there is no other gun I look at and think that ''this should not exist'' except those two

[terse idol]

Plasma draw time nerf

[frank ether]

well there are some psyker stuff but those are not guns

[slow spade]

And I see its more a "user" issue

[bold ibex]

Melk blessed me

[frank ether]

doesn't fix the core issue tbh

[elder oriole]

honestly once plas and zarona get tuned down nothing really seems to be overly strong

[white minnow]

prob people comparing it way too much to trauma

[flat pebble]

honestly I think you were the one that said this yesterday and I think that’s probably the move

[white minnow]

which is another extremely strong weapon

[terse idol]

It helps

[rigid pilot]

Trauma doesn't do suppression, it cries when fighting shooters

[flat pebble]

if they aren’t going to touch its stats or usability make it a pain to use like bolter

[slow spade]

The fact revolver dodges another nerf baffles me

[rigid pilot]

But somehow every trauma user ignores that fact, the crying

[terse idol]

The issue being, isn't it one of the last weapons vet unlocks so it has that aura of "it's gotta be goood"

My grievances mainly lie in that the boltgun is just

Worse

And somehow STILL has the slowest draw time in the game

At least with a slow draw time the plasma gets a little closer

[elder oriole]

plasma just does too much for no risk and decent ammo econ while having quick swap speed and pinpoint accuracy with no falloff

[white minnow]

i always run assail so i've never had an issue with shooters on either trauma or purg

[terse idol]

Even if it is maybe a bandaid

[flat pebble]

tbf bolter is better at monstrosities

[terse idol]

Oh also

Nerfing cleave on left click

[white minnow]

shame i never brought up that point

well

[flat pebble]

it’s not like, the most insane advantage

[terse idol]

Would actually help

[white minnow]

i think people are still going to say that purg is bad against ranged patrols

[elder oriole]

not to mention you can cut down plasma gun reload by half

[terse idol]

So people are actually asssed to right click once in a while

[slow spade]

It even gets no damage penalty from hitting limbs lol

[white minnow]

trauma does have a mild stagger on human ranged enemies

with the outer radius

[elder oriole]

funny how they made the worst weapon the best and just left it that way

[white minnow]

so it's whatevs

[flat pebble]

you can just use the dodge state on crit talent and ignore shooters until you can flame them

[rigid pilot]

Assail would round up that weakness, but that means you gonna be running like EP/DD?

[white minnow]

i run DD yeah

[frank ether]

I'm not against it but I don't think it fully adresses the problem

[white minnow]

it's still +15% damage

[rigid pilot]

True

[winter grove]

At cost of being infinite ammo I suppose

[slow spade]

As someone who used to run 3 hp curios on Vet, I'm happy UwU

[flat pebble]

imo plasma needs to be more punishing

give it a higher skill cap by making it have more ways to hurt you again

[elder oriole]

remove the reload tech and limit the cleave to charged shots

[white minnow]

though i consider ammo to not be an issue in the game besides not using flamer for some scenarios that you can otherwise spam purg in

[elder oriole]

or keep the reload tech but make it slow to swap

[frank ether]

I'd start with the second thing, and add some weapon swap time. I actually kinda like the reload tech I like jank stuff like that but others may have different opinions

[elder oriole]

but the cleave has to go period

not entirely but limit it to charged shots

[frank ether]

on the uncharged shots its too much

on charged it would prolly be fine? Idk

On paper it solves everything

[elder oriole]

charged shots aren't ammo efficient so it'd make sense

[winter grove]

It should also blow up on uncharged shots

[slow spade]

I suppose for 9 ammo it's ok to cleave

[frank ether]

you'd still have the option of giga pen and could go for it when you see enemies stacking

it just wouldn't be literally every shot

[winter grove]

Would finally give a reason to charge shots

[flat pebble]

uncharged vs charged is 60 vs 100 cleave

Make uncharged 30

[winter grove]

Make uncharged 1.5

[flat pebble]

Drastically reduced damage against stacked scab enemies but keeps the unique functionality

[elder oriole]

played with so many people who didn't even realize you can overheat with plasma gun

[flat pebble]

honestly that means they’re using it right

[elder oriole]

the mechanic may as well not even exist on current plasma gun

[frank ether]

on that note bolt weapons really need to have their ADS fixed, like badly

[flat pebble]

charged shots aren’t worth it

[shadow dagger]

i genuinely cant tell whether im failing the new map this much because its just a new map im not used to or if its because a load of returning players think just jumping into the deep end of auric with no warm up is a good idea

[elder oriole]

only reason they aint worth is because uncharged cleaves

[flat pebble]

little of both

[elder oriole]

that change alone would probably put plasma gun in a decent spot without giga nerfing it

[flat pebble]

also the first event room is pretty rough and spawns a lot of elites

[winter grove]

Might be more inclined into second

I was doing WS with taxe 4 and I shit you not a grey bolt pistol

And everyone else was just dying

[elder oriole]

they can always go the spread route but that would just kill it for most people tbh

just hope they tweak the cleave

[winter grove]

I am supposed to be under prepared

[flat pebble]

I think that’s the biggest reason, also reaching the ohk for some elites by charging really isn’t that important when you can just one or two more lights for the same result and it’s totally risk free

[winter grove]

Not them

[frank ether]

giganerfing shit is generally a dumb move anyway, its how you turn interesting stuff into useless slop

[elder oriole]

longshot with the other standard nodes usually lets plasma oneshot most stuff to the head anyways

[flat pebble]

tru

slingshot and focus target is like, almost every single important OHK

[elder oriole]

it'll still be a precision weapon with a cleave nerf

[frank ether]

how would you nerf zarona though, this is the part where people go at each other's throats

[flat pebble]

if you’re critting it’s basically every enemy except crushers and monstrosities

[frank ether]

plasma I think rather easy to solve

but zarona gets people salty

[elder oriole]

just wont be able to goob 10 scab shotgunners for +ammo

[flat pebble]

probably a combination of reducing the aim assist and or reducing the total ammo

[frank ether]

It already has rather low ammo though

[elder oriole]

dunno about total ammo

yeah

[frank ether]

in my eyes what I find weird is

why is this

[elder oriole]

its already quite tight

[frank ether]

dinky shitty pistol

hitting harder than a boltgun

[elder oriole]

at the end of the day cleave usually is the culprit

[frank ether]

going through like rows of elites

[flat pebble]

I think it’s hard to try tuning the damage values for the revolver and they already tried tuning hand cannon once and I doubt they’ll touch it again

that leaves usability and availability

[frank ether]

The discussion came full circle but why would anyone be excited for boltpistol in a game with zarona

[flat pebble]

it’s a fun power fantasy

bolt pistol go bang bang bang and flippy reload time

[elder oriole]

i regularly run agri shotty in aurics

it just gets boring running good weapons

thats about it

[tawny badger]

it sounds good and makes enemy heads explode

[flat pebble]

yeah plasma throughput is kind of insane for how cracked it is

[tawny badger]

10/10 best weapon

[frank ether]

It does, but hard to get excited about a quirky weapon with downsides when something else gets to ignore them completely

[shadow dagger]

wouldnt that increase the value of survivalist

since more of plasma gun ammo would be in reserves

[frank ether]

like you're there trying to make something interesting work and next to you is a goblin with zarona killing like 4 elites at a time

[elder oriole]

i mean i haven't even touched the new update but i had a feeling boltpistol was gonna be dogwater

considering boltgun got its one niche gimped

[flat pebble]

I think they’re taking your suggestion as moving the removed mag ammo into the reserves

so same total ammo, reduced mags

[frank ether]

It has the boltgun sway + visual recoil problems but amplified even more

[rigid pilot]

It's not terrible, just no niche

Other that bolt pistol sounds so cool to fire

[flat pebble]

if anything hasn’t its niche if it has a niche at all just been deleting monstrosities in a mag and a half

[frank ether]

you can help it by using crosshair remap and well, being a veteran (deadshot, duh)

[flat pebble]

bolter still does that and bolt pistol can’t

[frank ether]

but it still takes ages to recover

compared to either boltgun or zarona

[flat pebble]

they even gave it 20 more rounds this patch

[rigid pilot]

They should let puncture affect all enemies hit by the explosion

[frank ether]

boltgun aside from visual recoil issues, it feels fine this patch

the ammo buff helps

[rigid pilot]

Pocket frag grenade

[elder oriole]

for all the downsides of the boltgun/pistol

why do the keep the sway and swap speed ass

when plasma is even better in every way and accurate

[tawny badger]

the swap speed is really that bad to yall?

[frank ether]

Its not helbore levels of bad

[rigid pilot]

No it's not

[elder oriole]

boltgun swap is

[flat pebble]

I don’t really mind it but I am used to playing around it

[rigid pilot]

It's comparable to brautos

[tawny badger]

oh boltgun yeah that sucks
thought you were talking about the bolt pistol

[rigid pilot]

But for a pistol it's bad

[frank ether]

to me I either build it around VoC or exe so it ends up workable

[rigid pilot]

Zarona is instant

[elder oriole]

i mean it just skews expectations for new weapons when busted weapons like plasma are in the game

[frank ether]

but my playstyle is melee heavy

[flat pebble]

yeah pretty much same, if i need to bring it out in a pinch i have VoC or toss a shredder on the floor to make space

kind of a no brainer

[frank ether]

I think boltgun actually wants exe if you're planning to magdump it instead of going surgical

[zinc surge]

yo is sunder only worth it on mk3 and is it better that brutal momentum?

[frank ether]

Its not terrible but I find it a bit stupid that agrippa revolver can delete bosses much easier

[elder oriole]

bm is better personally

[flat pebble]

15 rounds vs 5 for DMR purposes is worthwhile for me

better flex pick in that regard

[elder oriole]

tried out sunder for the stagger but genuinely didn't come into play often enough for it to be relevant

[frank ether]

there isn't much of a reason to use agrippa r besides boss nuking anyway, but I still think its a bad gimmick for any weapon really

[flat pebble]

but I’m also not really one to compare weapons to other weapons, I tend to judge them on their own

[terse idol]

I guess GW?

[flat pebble]

if they are fun to use and I can make them work that’s all I need

[frank ether]

Like imagine you're playing monstro mael and this bozo just nukes all the bosses which is what you queued up to fight lmao

[elder oriole]

only issue is some weapons are so unbelievably bootycheeks that its painful to use them

[tawny badger]

that’s not enough for some players sadly

[flat pebble]

i mean it’s their game too idrc

[flat pebble]

at this point that’s kinda just the autopistol imo

i think the meta is in a pretty good spot overall

[rigid pilot]

Oh autopistol, I forgot it existed

[frank ether]

I think its a bit too good at it even, and I'm tired of pretending like its not

[tawny badger]

autopistol should have run n gun built into it

[rigid pilot]

Yea agripvolvo at least has the boss damage niche covered really well

Bolt pistol has

[flat pebble]

you would say that mr viral agri on semi meme build clip

[rigid pilot]

Stagger...?

[elder oriole]

ran quad zealot autopistol in an auric and was genuinely fun but the weapon itself feels like ass

[frank ether]

zealot with braced weapons is joy though

you get dance of death

[flat pebble]

arguably more accurate, more total ammo, larger mag size

[frank ether]

I'd kill to have dance of death on vet

[elder oriole]

only way to make shit ranged options work is to crutch on a strong melee

[terse idol]

I just think it youuuu

Build your gun to kill bosses

[rigid pilot]

Is total ammo real? I tot agripvolvo had alot of ammo

[terse idol]

And it kill bosses good

You ought to be awarded

[rigid pilot]

I don't believe this

[flat pebble]

I’m pretty sure but I’m not on to check

[terse idol]

Like, I literally built my bolt gun for this reason

[elder oriole]

fatshark

[terse idol]

And it's really good for Auric Monstros

[elder oriole]

please gimp plasma but give vets default 0.75 stamina regen delay

please

i promise i wont stop taking at least one stamina regen delay node

[flat pebble]

let’s not nerf plasma too bad I need something that’s not the revolver or columnus to carry monkeys in auric damnation qp

[frank ether]

to a degree yes but its boring when any gun gets too good at doing this

maybe its a problem of spawns Idk

I just queue into monstro mael and we dont get enough monsto to kill

[terse idol]

It's just variance

[frank ether]

because someone had a thammer or I brought agrippa

[tawny badger]

I mean if the boss is just standing still like that, sure

[flat pebble]

azreal how many hours of dt do you have at this point

[frank ether]

man is there anything zarona can't do lmao

what a stupid ass gun

[rigid pilot]

What even is this build

[flat pebble]

do u know who you’re talking to lol

[rigid pilot]

How do you get 5 digit numbers

[flat pebble]

remember how bad it was at launch

[tawny badger]

not at all, please fill me in

[flat pebble]

regularly soloes auric maelstroms

[rigid pilot]

No handcannon no surgical?

[terse idol]

I mean zarona can't kill spread out shooters well

Literally only 5 shots

And I'm talking regular shooters

[frank ether]

release zarona was dogwater but even then I liked it. I'm actually kinda sad its so busted now, don't feel like touching it

tbh release darktide

most guns were shit

[rigid pilot]

Is that how you get 100% crits

[frank ether]

you had boltgun-psword vets roaming around outliving ogryns

[elder oriole]

that moment when people realize ws is busted in more ways than one

[flat pebble]

it’s funny to me how we were all like ughhhhh one shell at a time reload sucks assssss and meanwhile tinyangrycrab was going weeeeee running around damnation matches with the revolver and devils claw having the time of his life

[frank ether]

claws so good rn

[terse idol]

Well

[tawny badger]

That’s good for you and while I’m certain your build with that revolver is strong with how it one-cylinders chaos spawn, I think it’s important to consider that it’s probably gonna be a lot harder to hit those headshots in actual combat

[terse idol]

The chip damage killed most vets

Like day 1 darktide vet was

[flat pebble]

yeah tbh most weapons were, it’s pretty impressive to me how tightly they were able to reign in the bad weapons into usability or outright competitiveness

[terse idol]

Pretty squishy

[elder oriole]

but yeah lets nerf surv not like i use the shits anyways

[terse idol]

And the chip damage into corruption meant alot of vets took dirt naps

[elder oriole]

just leave top tree vet alone

[flat pebble]

“Good for me”? I’m not doing that

[terse idol]

Plasma sword was for sure insane af

INFINITE CLEAVE

[elder oriole]

not just voc

[terse idol]

ANIMATION CANCEL INTO CHARGE

[elder oriole]

does vet have arguably the strongest node in the game for toughness regen?

[flat pebble]

besides the point was that it was possible

[elder oriole]

actually not even toughness regen but just in general

[feral stratus]

I think this is the biggest dip in stats i've seen so far

[terse idol]

Need no mobility

[flat pebble]

is this legally distinct lightsaber

plasma sword

[terse idol]

Oh real

[frank ether]

Stats wise they made most weapons pretty good, now they just need to polish gunplay a bit

[terse idol]

I think gunplay isn't bad

[elder oriole]

i guess second wind feels nice as well as being a bit more flexible

[terse idol]

I need the guy standing picture

[elder oriole]

objectively

[frank ether]

there are a lot of rough edges that make stuff jarring to use

[elder oriole]

but ck alongside gold toughness is just a bit over the top

[terse idol]

There it is

[flat pebble]

there aren’t too many gunplay issues I have, they could unjank the bolter and make the helbore sights better but that’s all that immediately comes to mind for me

[terse idol]

I'm a prolific user of exe, mf and ilas

Like, I like the gunplay

That I would rather play this build than most other vet builds

[rigid pilot]

So you run weapon spec + crucian/handcannon + Deadshot ?

[frank ether]

like double barrel jerking your aim up if you weapon swap or many weapons having horrid visual recoil or sway

[terse idol]

Oh that's bug

[frank ether]

these are not stat problems but gunplay issues

[flat pebble]

IAG recoil used to suck ass but it’s totally fine now

and idk I haven’t used db that’s probable

[frank ether]

If you haven't tried crosshair remap you don't know how bad the inaccuracies can get on viewmodels

a lot of the times when you think your weapon is ''inaccurate'' its just the model decoupling from your center of aim

[zinc surge]

have link for builds? =e

[frank ether]

happens with boltgun/pistol

can happen with iags

[flat pebble]

tbh I only have a few ranged weapons I cycle through and about half of them don’t require ADS so

it doesn’t really come up

bolter is janky but I’m completely used to it at this point I don’t really notice it anymore

[somber axle]

Ooo let me show you my lowest stat weapon!

[frank ether]

back when old pinning fire was a thing I didnt ads the bolter like, ever

[flat pebble]

yeah PF used to be fucking insane

it’s hard to even compare old vs current

[frank ether]

also exe patches up boltgun hipfire a lot for vet

most of the recoil is removed from the equation

the ultimate baby mode

but then you have dance of death which is the same thing tied to a dodge

Why does psyker not get a boltgun again?

oh right, charge nerf?

thats rough lmao, but I feel like the real problem is the zealot talent tree

[winter grove]

DW works for every crit

[frank ether]

maybe a shitter take but I feel like vet ended up with the most versatile talent tree

[severe gale]

disagree

zealot's tree feels best

[frank ether]

whereas zealot's ranged talentline is dogshit

you get very strong builds as zealot

[rigid pilot]

Vet has the BEST talent tree hands down