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junior needle
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The sicknasty auric 5 cyclerless power sword KEKW_ogryn

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Also I hated the double barrel

trim hemlock
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It’s… it could be better

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I’m really disappointed with its finesse numbers

junior needle
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I'm disappointed how how awful the falloff is

hearty panther
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i dunno what either of y'all expected lmao

inland orchid
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its a 370+ powersword, the rest dont matta to me

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thats a good sword thumbsup_ogryn

trim hemlock
hearty panther
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its very fun

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quite good for tknife zeals

trim hemlock
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The fun is certainly there

fathom rose
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what in the kark
how

junior needle
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I was playing it on my knife zealot, still wasn't feeling it but I've been using my revolver forever

neon estuary
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i wonder whats the best blessings for the bolt pistol?

pseudo fiber
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I liked the shotgun with weapon specialist to just spam shots with it

tame lodge
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I tested that lol

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Also mine had sprint efficiency, that shogun goes fast

winter grove
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Probably

tame lodge
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Too bad it doesn't have Stripped down so I can RP as trench raider paired with the Saul

neon estuary
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but also the accuracy blessing so it has that

winter grove
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Trench raiders had lasguns and bayonets

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Totally not pointing out who

tame lodge
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Oh, not the 40K trench raider

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Lol

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But whatever, not enough trenches on Tertium

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I'm also using the Agni maul

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Idk how to feel about it

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Doesn't really feel like a blunt weapon

winter grove
tame lodge
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I mean, I saw this big spiked block and thought it would have more impact behind it

pseudo fiber
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Someone said it feels like one of the axes

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I agree there

tame lodge
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But if that's the non-lethal version of 40k

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Then it's hilarious

pseudo fiber
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I'm gonna stick with it then switch between bolt pistol and shotgun see how I feel

toxic leaf
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do i buy this for melkbucks

winter grove
tame lodge
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💀

thick kestrel
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:>

tame lodge
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Oh uh
I also tried to shock a poxburster

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But since it doesn't insta shock them

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It went as expected

serene bough
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idk if I like DA and surgical on bolt pistol

winter grove
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So you tased a god damn bomb

toxic leaf
serene bough
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i feel like its super easy to hit 1hko breakpoints without it

tame lodge
thick kestrel
# toxic leaf amy tac axe bros can help me out here?

it's certainly not bad, swapping the thrust for Brutal momentum and sprint for maniac and you'll have a reasonable Rashad there.

Headtaker would be preferable to shred but it's not a complete dealbreaker, particularly if you're running a more melee focused loadout with the bonus finesse nodes.

winter grove
serene bough
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thats true

serene bough
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but even then I can still reach 1hko on common enemies like shotgunners and gunners if built right

thick kestrel
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really? neat!

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will need to tweak my own then 🙂

winter grove
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But without HT and Bromentum it's not gonna work

thick kestrel
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that stringent? wouldn't the crit bonuses from shred broadly help out in the long run/

toxic leaf
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it seemed good but i didnt know what blessings i needed

winter grove
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Rashad is a combat axe

thick kestrel
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it's not perfect but it doesn't seem like it's worthless

toxic leaf
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i have a pretty poggers ps6 so i need the tac axe to be good

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if i want to replace it

winter grove
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Radhad is really strict

junior needle
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Boltpistol also feels like shit

winter grove
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Rolling for Flak/Unarmored Rashad with Bromentum and HT that oneshots bruisers is like this:

topaz lance
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Rashad best

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Rashad love

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My Rashad leaves Bruisers with 1 hp with max headtaker stacks.

winter grove
frank gyro
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how do i change my characters name?

hearty panther
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krall at the barber

frank gyro
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which of the 2 options contains the namnechange

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appearance?

toxic leaf
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8 shots, you may not 1 tap, and then you're left with your melee

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vs plasma, revolver, or even regular bolter not with this improved ammo economy

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hell i was using recons and they felt ok to beam stuff with because of the giant mags

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but i could not find success with pistol

tame lodge
frank gyro
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thank you!!

brisk umbra
junior needle
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The handling is the worst part

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Shit doesn't even fire where the sights are most of the time

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Guess I'm doing a "Don't bother using your ranged weapon" challenge to do this event

serene bough
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i.e. more support and utility than raw damage

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bc it cant compete with revolver

hearty panther
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that's a big mistake

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if it already cant compete in terms of elite/special killing output, why would you slap on a blessing that a) isnt damage and b) inert unless you do the thing you said it's lacking at

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reality is that it's perfectly effective at the role, it just isnt as good as the revolver, because the revolver is fucking stupid

midnight totem
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I'm looking for a puncture 4 to slap on my bolt pistol

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To prim things for my mercy knife

junior needle
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That's uh

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A terrible way to try and use mercy

bitter turtle
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trade you my puncture 4 for fucking deadly accurate

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still cant get it

midnight totem
junior needle
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Oh good

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I was gonna say

midnight totem
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I figure I can bleed the priority targets as I'm closing in

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Before getting into melee

bitter turtle
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its too bad lethal proximity + puncture doesnt work

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that sounds like it would actually be strong

midnight totem
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Aye

bitter turtle
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kinda lame it doesnt bc srugical + DA is kinda boring

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like its effective but its the same shit on HH

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and functionally the same as handcannon surg on revolver

midnight totem
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I currently have da 4 and surgical 4

junior needle
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Does lethal proximity give an explosion at any range?

midnight totem
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Yes

junior needle
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The tooltip is worded so poorly

midnight totem
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That's what I used to have before da

serene bough
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it cant compete bc its recoil/stability and lack of pierce

bitter turtle
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man

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trying it out

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puncture feels so bad

hearty panther
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your logic is jsut funny backwards because you should be slapping glory hunter on your revolver lol

bitter turtle
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i sthere an actual use case for this blessing lol

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oh

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it helps me finish off flamers ig

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lol

midnight totem
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You know

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I feel like flamer specials should explode

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If you hit them in their tank

bitter turtle
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only if it doesnt knock us back

serene bough
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but DA is so overkill on a lot of enemies

midnight totem
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Yes

serene bough
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for bolt pistol

hearty panther
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ye but GH still sucks

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id much rather have proximity for the utility

serene bough
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but extra damage is redundant so you may as well grab extra utility

hearty panther
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and even execution isnt that bad

serene bough
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why not both

hearty panther
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oh, cause surgical is going on pretty much by default

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so its between those three for me

bitter turtle
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what bp does DA enable

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rager?

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what else

hearty panther
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i tried point blank and then i was like, oh wait, this thing doesnt have revolver's innate crit bonus

bitter turtle
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oh ya

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that reminds me

hearty panther
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so just a flat 20% bonus isnt really enough, even if its something

bitter turtle
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i should try my point blank agrivolver

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hm

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i guess puncture means you can 2x bodyshot kill ragers

flat pebble
hearty panther
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without the stacking tho, which is a pretty sizeable loss

flat pebble
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stacking?

serene bough
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it can 1hko reliably without crits

bitter turtle
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the tooltip is not accurate

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ok

serene bough
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not much logic in taking extra damage when it can be built to 1hko on the gunner enemies

bitter turtle
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tell mei fthis is a stupid idea

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puncture boltpistol with elite/maniac

serene bough
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i guess it would help youi mag dump easier into ragers but otherwise thats not really the best idea

bitter turtle
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the bleed 1taps dreg gunners and flamers, 2 tap bodyshot ragers

serene bough
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only use i see for bleed is keeping your DoT applied to bosses

hearty panther
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again there's not much to put on it anyway, it already performs pretty well

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so even a marginal DPS boost from an easy to access crit bonus is better than nada

bitter turtle
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dreg gunner HS does like 1350 dmg so the bleed finishes them off

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lol

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same with flamer

hearty panther
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im also not the type to pull out my gun and shoot until a thing is dead, i shoot once to stagger and close in

bitter turtle
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but idk if this is just meme

hearty panther
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so, idk

bitter turtle
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maybe this is cope but this actually seems ok?

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lets me go ham on taking other tnon-dmg talents too

midnight totem
serene bough
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i dont see a point in damage perks when it can already 1hko

thick kestrel
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and there's always those situations where everything is going to shit and you just need to spam a bunch of knockback for a "wee" bit of breathing room :>

bitter turtle
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like u dont need deadshot anymore

thick kestrel
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you know, panic mode ^^

bitter turtle
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or anything except superiority complex really

thick kestrel
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bolt weapons are always excellent for panic mode :>

midnight totem
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At the very least, bolt pistols handling needs to be changed

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Before anything else

hearty panther
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well, not really, jsut the anims

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the numbers are fine

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the bounciness is jank and excessive

flat pebble
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handling? Like the swap speed?

midnight totem
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Yeah

hearty panther
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same issue with other bolter

bitter turtle
flat pebble
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people use the term handling in this chat all sorts of ways

bitter turtle
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try shooting with the thing

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adsed

midnight totem
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No I mean the bouncing and the odd recoil compensation

junior needle
bitter turtle
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you'll see it jerking around afterwards

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its dumb

flat pebble
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I’ve used the bolter

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bistol

bitter turtle
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i think the un-ads trick helps though

flat pebble
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I’m literally just trying to clarify the term

bitter turtle
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ya

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i know

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so im clarifying

hearty panther
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yea you can flicker the sight and its a solution

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just dont actually use the sights

flat pebble
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“Try shooting the thing” is what I’m referring to

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i have

junior needle
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I'm now calling it the bistol

bitter turtle
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ah ok

hearty panther
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but its still very annoying lol

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ye im down for bistol

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better than boltpee

flat pebble
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i saw someone call it that yesterday and I was Ike fine I’ll call it that for the rest of my life

bitter turtle
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is lethal proximity actually helpful for crowd control

hearty panther
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yes but its costly

bitter turtle
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cause im assuming that dmg is irrelevant

hearty panther
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yes

flat pebble
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it is irrelevant

hearty panther
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but it deffo works

bitter turtle
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im thinking of a 2nd blessing

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to go with my puncture meme

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run n gun seems

hearty panther
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sadly the blast on kill doesnt apply puncture in an AoE either

bitter turtle
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unreliably

flat pebble
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surely surgical does actual secure some OHKs

bitter turtle
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ya i know

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otherwise it would be a no brainer

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crits dont really do anything for this meme build so idk about surgicla

tawny badger
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ok why are naked ragers faster now this is scary

bitter turtle
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being naked in battle makes you strong

tawny badger
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kill la kill moment

bitter turtle
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i just finished an artwork along those lines KEKW_ogryn

midnight totem
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So, what do we all think about the new cosmetic slop

bitter turtle
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idk i aint buying more after i already wasted my money getting krieg

junior needle
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Still not buying it/10

tall torrent
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But I’m sticking to Kasrkin

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Weapon skins are nice tho

midnight totem
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Yeh

bitter turtle
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ya

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that axe you wanted

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is finally here

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lol

midnight totem
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Brought the weapon skins first

tall torrent
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This is really good

hearty panther
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i really wanted it to be a taxe skin

midnight totem
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I can finally use an axe now

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No longer ugly

tall torrent
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Shock maul & boltpistol skins too

serene bough
tall torrent
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The boltpistol has a candle on the tiny barrel it has

midnight totem
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The game is crashing for me with some of the new skins though

bitter turtle
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how many shots do u usually take to down most targets

serene bough
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currently running puncture w/ bloodletter chainsword

bitter turtle
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i im agine its not actually very different

serene bough
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the gunner enemies i can 1hko

tall torrent
bitter turtle
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you can 3 bodyshot mauler too with bleed and no crits

serene bough
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ye

tall torrent
serene bough
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thats somewhat useful

pearl granite
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what blessing/perk are good on shock maul?

bitter turtle
serene bough
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im not sure how useful it is against crushers but not that much

bitter turtle
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im just barely short using a perfect 80

tall torrent
bitter turtle
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would need longshot

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yeah see

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i dont need longshot and dont need to go FT

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if i use bleed meme

tall torrent
bitter turtle
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u laugh but its legit KEKW_ogryn

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i think

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at least

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maybe

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also means 2nd blessing slot is free

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u can take the stupid CC blessing i guess idk

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or

serene bough
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bleed can finish them off but i find it un reliable

bitter turtle
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gloryhunter!?!?!?!?

tall torrent
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Btw they stealth changed a lot of things this patch

serene bough
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yeah im using puncture + GH

bitter turtle
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also u can drop deadshot too

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which i imagine DA builds want

serene bough
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my bottom tree looks something like this

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still playing around with it

tall torrent
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Krak dmg 2000~200 -> 2400~200 (now 1 taps bulwarks without dmg buff)
Sprint avoid ranged dmg front 50° -> front 70° (now 55° to side instead of 65°)
Run&gun got changed, now only applies -30% spread & +12% close DMG while sprinting

bitter turtle
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run n gun always only worked while sprinting i think

serene bough
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yeah

bitter turtle
serene bough
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just put it in

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i was previously running MF w/ rending but not worth

tall torrent
tawny badger
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society if run and gun could be used with the double barrel shotgun’s braced fire

bitter turtle
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ah ok

tall torrent
bitter turtle
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this is what i was running

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with puncture meme

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to test

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see u can take a fuckton of melee talent

tawny badger
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how dare fatshark make me walk like a plebian to put two shells in

bitter turtle
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wtb 1 more point to take agile

slim hamlet
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Always prepared is great with the shotgun

serene bough
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smonks bc gunner swarms can be a problem

bitter turtle
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i feel like you probably want surv with boltpistol

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esp if you are conceding to just 2x bodyshotting ragers

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for puncture

serene bough
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i do but the talent tax to get there is a pain

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if im going for this GH + born leader shenanigans

radiant willow
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is recon lasgun still ass?

bitter turtle
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anyway i was just trying to maximize other benefits from being able to drop everything else

bitter turtle
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imo

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7 is the best one

radiant willow
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thanks I got the elysian cosmetics because they are my favourite regiment but havent used the recon because it sucks

serene bough
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bleed only seems to push flamers over the edge with a weakspot hit, i can 1hko dreg gunners with my set up

bitter turtle
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maybe something like this

serene bough
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but i also have flak + unarmored on my pistol

bitter turtle
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instead

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if i dont need 10% melee

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and

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yea you need to headshot flamer to 1tap but i think that does not change no matter how you set up the gun

serene bough
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i think youre doing yourself a disservice not taking agile

bitter turtle
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well

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nothing i can drop for it

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lol

serene bough
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F

bitter turtle
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so i looked at other options

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invig + stam delay would be really nice for knife

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or always prepared if that is overkill

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ig

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alr im going to do this dumbass build

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once i get the plasteel

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might as well since i cant fuggin roll DA

junior needle
serene bough
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currently playing with this

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but

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idk if i want to commit to GH

bitter turtle
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i think

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the explosion CC nonsense is prob est

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esp since you're waiting for bleed to kill stuff sometimes

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lol

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it takes only 1 tick for flamer but flak rager needs a few ticks

serene bough
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yeah

bitter turtle
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at least for maniac/elite perk

serene bough
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probably

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ill try later

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but

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bloodletter chainsword does compliment puncture

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albeit really only useful for monstros

tame lodge
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What's the cleave of the Bolt rounds?

hearty panther
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none

tame lodge
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So it never went through targets, but the red mist hid that

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Hmm

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Good to know

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Or is it something else? Lol

umbral garnet
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Oh hey, Stormtrooper armour.

hearty panther
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oh the actual Boltgun Bolter has 3 cleave

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i just assume you meant the pistol

clear mist
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what stats and blessings shoude i aim for on an power sword?

hearty panther
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the pistol has .01

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(so none)

glad spade
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good stuff for the bolt pistol?

tame lodge
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I assumed they'd share the same value

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Because boom rounds

umbral garnet
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I think.

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That's my take on it.

junior needle
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This guy in my auric 5

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Has a 7a recon with crafted on carapace and infernus

clear mist
umbral garnet
umbral garnet
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Finesse you can get away with a little less.

flat pebble
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u see, the enemies weak spots are the soles of the feetsies

tame lodge
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We fighting Achilles out here lmao

hearty panther
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heresy is stored in the balls

umbral garnet
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Our Psyker be breakin ankles left and right.

clear mist
umbral garnet
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Yes!

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Who needs dodges amirite

proper delta
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why does the agri revolver do 150 less damage? have i not suffered enough by selecting it?

umbral garnet
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Power sword already has terrible dodges anyway so

proper delta
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ive yee'd my last haw

tame lodge
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Work on your pushes with the psword

umbral garnet
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Gone is the rootin' tootin' heretic shootin'

proper delta
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im tryna make it work with a shock maul weapon specialist build

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and it tickles the maulers

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maybe i need a perk on it

umbral garnet
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I put it on my kasrkin and I just bumrush a crusher and dump 3 bullets into it.

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Crucian roulette goes crazy.

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Crit chance for days.

proper delta
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crucian roulette got it

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and hand cannon i assume?

umbral garnet
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Yes, for that rending.

proper delta
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kk ty

umbral garnet
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Make sure it's weakspot, of course.

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Can't be a cowboy without landing your shots.

dire jacinth
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is this ok or should i change deathspitter to fullbore

flat pebble
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it’s fine as is

proper delta
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fullbore seems difficult on a double barrel

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you'd really have to barrel stuff them

flat pebble
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not that you shouldn’t be already but yeah I’ve heard it’s hard to get FB off

hearty panther
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its more for zealot

proper delta
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double barrell is really fun with always prepared in your build

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always prepared makes so many guns usable

abstract moth
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Hey guys between Rashad, antrax and achlys which is the best axe?

flat pebble
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rashad

abstract moth
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Which blessings and perks should I use on it?

tame lodge
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Headtaker Brutal Momentum

abstract moth
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K thanks

serene sage
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the new armor set be like

oak gorge
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what game is that

abstract moth
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Remnant 2

tame lodge
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Remnant?

oak gorge
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oooh i have that but never booted it up

tame lodge
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Yeah

serene sage
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yeah it's Remnant 2

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pretty good shooter/soulslike hybrid

drowsy jolt
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And sentience

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and muscles

oak gorge
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i got halfway through the first one before i got completely lost on what the hell the lore is supposed to even be about

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something about dimensions and people made of trees or something

serene sage
bitter turtle
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dimensions and trees and shit

oak gorge
serene sage
abstract moth
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Do I have to have high damage with Rashad or 61 is alright?

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Everything is finesse 80, first target 79, mobility 80, penetration 76

midnight totem
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61 is painful

flat pebble
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is that a grey or an orange with everything

abstract moth
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Is grey

flat pebble
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yeah just keep rolling

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mob dump stat

abstract moth
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Ok

terse idol
abstract moth
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How's 78, damage 68 finesse, 75 first target, mobility 72 and penetration 70

terse idol
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You need higher finesse

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Basically you want every damage stat as high as possible

tall torrent
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First target is most important

flat pebble
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yeah caxe needs a pretty tight roll tbh

abstract moth
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Is 77 damage, 80 finesse 71 first target, 65 mobility and 79 penetration good?

flat pebble
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what’s the difference between 71 FT and 80

frank basin
tall torrent
frank basin
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Not like remnant 1 rng item are amulet or ring

flat pebble
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the most important and useful remnant items are deterministic based on bosses and or how you kill them

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and some puzzles here and there

umbral garnet
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Quick question, what's the best perks to have on the new mauls

fast lichen
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hi. Is it possible to make a build for the new shotgun as a executioner stance vet?

fast lichen
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my dreams have been crushed once more

umbral garnet
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Hey, didn't say it's impossible, lad.

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Go.

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Be a pioneer.

fast lichen
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aight

umbral garnet
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Be the first, varlet.

abstract moth
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Okay

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How's 79 damage, 80 finesse, 80 first target 51 mobility and 77 penetration?

umbral garnet
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On what?

abstract moth
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Rashad

umbral garnet
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That's excellent.

junior needle
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That's a pog

abstract moth
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Great cuz I've spent more than one million, I can make a Rashad shop by now

flat pebble
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simply beautiful

junior needle
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Oh, it looks like your teammates can get credit for the event for you pogryn

junior needle
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Even if you aren't using one of the weapons

abstract moth
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So I got a bit lucky I got brutal momentum 4 gotta change the other to headtaker and have 25 flak armor and 20 enemies without armor which I think is the one I should change but in what? Carapace?

abstract moth
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Is that supposed to be PTSD on how much coins you spent for finding a good Rashad?

abstract moth
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Yeah I figure I should change 20 unarmored

flat pebble
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just switch the other blessing for headtaker and honestly unarmored is pretty ok because it’s a great horde clear bonus

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carapace also works if you don’t plan on using a great can opener ranged weapon with it

abstract moth
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So I should switch it up to 25 unarmored?

flat pebble
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you got a great caxe I’m jealous

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yeah I mean you can always swap it later you got the two most important things already, flak and bm

abstract moth
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Right thanks

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With the new skin is gonna look hot, that's why I'm getting into the axe now

junior needle
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Think I carried this one

umbral garnet
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The new maul actually kind of slaps.

cinder wadi
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anyone got a build for the new bolter pistol?

somber vault
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what second perk do i put on this

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maniac?

abstract moth
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Imagine dualwiled 2 of these

somber vault
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true rager gameplay

abstract moth
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Indeed

terse idol
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BM, Headtaker

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Unarmoured

abstract moth
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Yup got it

terse idol
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Unarmoured is required for Scab Bruiser BP

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With BM

abstract moth
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So is unarmored good in general? Is the first time I'll be using it, I usually go for flak and carapace and sometimes , folly

flat pebble
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yeah tbh it’s underrated generally

terse idol
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I mean it's specific use cases

flat pebble
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for melee weapons

terse idol
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Not every melee weapon takes unarmoured

flat pebble
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Ofc

abstract moth
terse idol
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Like in the case of tashad you neeed unarmoured

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Uh, I don't know Sitgryn
I know Dclaw might want it on a specific blessing

flat pebble
#

claw is already insane on unarmored

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I like unarmored on vet shovels and chsword

abstract moth
#

I have a chainsword with fury and wrath then 25 flak and 20 the bulwark type of enemy

flat pebble
#

Fury?

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Rampage?

abstract moth
#

Yeah? I'm translating from my language, basically hit 3 enemies with an attack and more 36 damage for 3 seconds

flat pebble
#

ok ya I was wondering if it was a translation

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that’s pretty good as is

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wrath helps you proc rampage in scab mixed hordes which have higher hit mass than normal lights can cleave through 3 enemies in

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unyielding is good for bosses

terse idol
#

But I don't remeberrr

abstract moth
#

On my DC I have skull crusher and violent cut? 20 plus impact to target for every enemy already hit with the same attack

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But perks not so good I suppose 25 infested and 15 block efficiency

flat pebble
#

rampage +shred/wrath/savage sweep imo

#

flak + maniac

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I’m pretty sure maniac + crit enables rager and mutie ohks but i dont exactly recall

radiant chasm
#

Maniac elites would do that better imo, (or spec for muties but it isn’t like dclaw is slow for the 2nd hit)

flat pebble
#

you reaaaally want flak tho

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dclaw is bad on flak

radiant chasm
#

Yep

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Flakmaniac always solid

bitter turtle
#

recon memes

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jfc the new mission is honestly so brutal

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i like it tho

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hope they add more like it

#

feels like every time u turn around there's a rager behind you

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or something

abstract moth
#

Okay time to test this axe, too bad is on my second veteran, if the weapon is good, oh well I still got 11 mil I guess

abstract moth
stiff merlin
#

Good thing the crafting update will hopefully be here before the end of summer

flat pebble
#

i mean didn’t they explicitly say after summer

#

am i missing something

last parcel
#

just be optimistic

#

it's coming in 37.1 hours

coral willow
#

guys

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what was the female vet voiceline that sounds like rinda

#

"leave none aliiive"

flat pebble
coral willow
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flat pebble
coral willow
#

is it cutthroat

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hm

flat pebble
#

yeah it’s cutthroat

#

she also just got more lines added

#

it’s a pretty cool personality tbh

last parcel
coral willow
#

alright

#

changing her voice to cutthroat

flat pebble
coral willow
#

cause funnnnny

coral willow
#

we dont

nimble wadi
coral willow
coral willow
#

cadian vest

#

recommend a better name for her

flat pebble
coral willow
#

than Redhead

coral willow
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coral willow
# last parcel

was tempted to write Lick Iori Feet for blue archive jokes

abstract moth
#

@flat pebble ok si the axe rocks! I'm going to ask you advice in the future if you don't mind ^

flat pebble
#

sure!

#

caxe has one of the more simple perk/blessing combinations, other weapons often have more room for preference

tall torrent
dusky raven
#

bolt pistol my beloved

pearl granite
#

does this top make me look fat? KEKW_ogryn

dark sorrel
#

Yes

umbral scaffold
serene bough
#

i hate the beginning portion of that mission

#

the ramps down to the first event room are so crowded and full of barrels

thick kestrel
#

there's a little secret back tunnel you can take away from the big drop

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though it was full of ragers and gunners when I stumbled into it by accident ^^

#

but still

#

just keep an eye on the right hand side, it's got a drop half way through but avoiding most of the edge is very welcome

serene bough
#

i saw 3 people go through the secret tunnel only for a BoN to walk in and trap al three of them

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that was funny

pallid dew
#

Thinking of double barrel really is worth it

bitter turtle
#

yeah basically any tunnel ijn the first area that is a one way drop i avoid

#

its just asking for the director to spawn a bon on you and wipe you

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lmao

#

tbh even getting stuck with a chaos spawn in there is not fun either

quick burrow
#

what you guyst hink of the new skins?

#

mini space marines lez go

pallid dew
#

What's the best power sword at the moment?

hearty panther
#

6

pallid dew
#

Thanks

hearty panther
#

do one more

flat pebble
#

46% finesse anyway lol

candid agate
#

does anyone else immediately crash in the first loading screen with mods?

hearty panther
#

Unarmored is good

flat pebble
#

it was already dead

hearty panther
#

thats fine the finesse values are negligible

flat pebble
#

isn’t it literally swing speed

umbral scaffold
flat pebble
#

i wouldn’t say negligible

hearty panther
#

yea but its 8 vs 11% at max

flat pebble
#

what about the damage modifiers for weakspot and crit

pallid dew
hearty panther
#

even tinier

#

and if you get BM it doesnt matter

umbral scaffold
pallid dew
umbral scaffold
#

Run and gun and the double barrel reload

hearty panther
#

tadah

pallid dew
#

tadahhhhh

hearty panther
#

now wait for powercycler

#

in the meantime you can swap crit for flak or maniac or really just fukken whatever

pallid dew
#

Flak probs

eternal flare
#

what does collateral do on bolt pistols

hearty panther
#

stagger values

flat pebble
eternal flare
flat pebble
hearty panther
#

ye thats fine

flat pebble
hearty panther
#

yea like all options are fairly equal for psword

flat pebble
#

altho damage could be a smidge higher

hearty panther
#

unarmored lets you slap scab bruisers across the head in one electric light

#

thats really it

flat pebble
#

i’d do flakiac for the bistol personally

proven prairie
#

should i even bother with this damage stat?

pallid dew
#

Not double barrel perk but I'll keep it

hearty panther
#

id still do it

untold moth
#

First auric damnation with the recon II. My first impressions are that it slaps pretty well.

pallid dew
#

This was my other one

flat pebble
#

that’s the same one twice

untold moth
#

I think I still prefer the recon VI, but I had much much better ammo economy with the II. I think I was shooting pretty much 95% of the time

quick burrow
#

waht u guys think of this build for the colum mk5 inf auto

toxic leaf
#

just go down middle now that survivalist is nerfed

#

so you can get more points in focus target

quick burrow
#

surv isnt worth it any more?

toxic leaf
#

take it into a no ammo maelstrom but its not going to make most missions easier anymore

#

at least thats my feeling

flat pebble
toxic leaf
#

you're not actively handicapping yourself by not taking it anymore

flat pebble
#

i wouldn’t use the tac reload talent or whatever the one on the top left is, the throughput is already fine imo

#

could swap it for redirect fire

toxic leaf
#

my feeling is, if you want kraks > shredder, you can probably live without survavilist and get a spare point on the tree

flat pebble
#

it’s still a very good team pick

#

it alleviates ammo stress across 4 players

quick burrow
#

i was thinkin that since the colum isnt good vs carpace i need a big boi breaker

#

thats why i wanted kraks instead of shredder

toxic leaf
#

ive been running without it for a bit and i havent felt much pressure

quick burrow
#

though i personally love shred

flat pebble
#

shredders rock

toxic leaf
#

you definitely notice the lack of og survalist

flat pebble
#

if you don’t run onslaught you’ll want a can opener melee or kraks tho

toxic leaf
#

i think if you have a gunlugging ogryn, its most noticeable. for him.

untold moth
#

When did they nerf survivalist?

candid agate
#

what should i do with this

flat pebble
#

uhhh like 2 or 3 patches ago

toxic leaf
#

a couple of months back

#

its what, 5s cooldown now?

last parcel
toxic leaf
#

still good, not 10 tiers above everything else good

untold moth
#

Wait, it has an internal cd?

flat pebble
#

ya

quick burrow
#

id love to take onslaught for the mk5 Inf auto but thats 4 points i dont know where to take frmo

torn gorge
#

6s iirc

toxic leaf
#

yea so packs of dogs no longer top your entire squad from 0 to full lmao

odd sparrow
toxic leaf
#

i havent tried maelstrom without it, but aurics seem fine

odd sparrow
#

still good, but not completely mandatory on more efficient guns

torn gorge
#

considering how strong melee options are in general its hardly mandatory

untold moth
#

That’s is such a bummer. Was making concessions in my build to get to survivalist.. Going to drop it now.. 5s is so long in auric..

hearty panther
#

survivalist went from being the most overpowered node in the game to only being the best aura in the game, sad days we live in

toxic leaf
#

yea and if your group has a staff psyker or non gunlugging ogryn, you probably dont need it

torn gorge
#

idk 5% movespeed is very enticing tbh

toxic leaf
#

jsut stop spamming ammo

#

idk the psyker's cdr or zealots tdr is pretty fucking good

quick burrow
#

is suppression immunity worth?

toxic leaf
#

cdr is awesome no matter what

untold moth
#

I’d still agree it’s decent as an aura, but that side of the tree is dooky

flat pebble
#

i don’t think it’s manadatory on the columnus iag

toxic leaf
#

i take suppression immunity with revolver and plasma

#

not with iag

flat pebble
untold moth
toxic leaf
#

yea its annoying to whiff shit with single shot weapons

#

well

#

is the plasma even affected wait

#

it doesnt ADS

flat pebble
#

i don’t think i’ve ever noticed being noticeably suppressed with plasma lol

odd sparrow
#

it still really good. Say if you manage to get 8 procs of survivalist per minute(out of the potential 12) in a 20 minute mission

thats still 160% ammo capacity regenerated for you and potentially your entire team as well

toxic leaf
#

you might be right!

flat pebble
#

yeah i mean it hipfires

toxic leaf
#

i could be wasting points!

#

i jsut figured it does!

flat pebble
#

try it without i think you’ll be pleasantly surprised

untold moth
#

Between II and VII, which recon have people been preferring.

flat pebble
#

i’ve seen people run all 3 now

#

i think it’s pretty much up to personal preference atp

untold moth
#

I think the II is in a good spot. VI is very fun and good, but I’d want to know I could hog the ammo.

flat pebble
#

it uses more ammo than the II apparently but with shocktrooper you’re still generating a ton of ammo

#

assuming you’re running HH which obviously you should

untold moth
#

Shock trooper?

flat pebble
#

lasgun crits refund ammo

untold moth
#

I don’t go that side of the tree. In my build. Else I’d agree. Running infiltrate *

hearty panther
#

lul

#

just noticed what my top three guns are

flat pebble
#

based

hearty panther
#

same ratings too, how serendipitous

flat pebble
untold moth
#

I think you’re right, I should make a build that doesn’t go infiltrate and pick that up.

flat pebble
#

sneaky posted a video with ST that showed them kill in a crusher using a net total of 10 rounds because of the ammo refunds

untold moth
#

On auric damnation the infiltrate is pretty rad though. Easy objectives

thick kestrel
#

ok... this might sound weird but...

it's been a while since I've used a Devilclaw sword and for some reason I don't remember it feeling quite so sticky on the power and push attacks?

#

like it feels like there's a little tiny delay between actions?

flat pebble
#

idk feels normal to me still

thick kestrel
#

aye... I'm sure it's just me but it feels like there was a tiny little input delay on the actions in that last mission

untold moth
#

What primary would people recommend for recon. I’ve been using power sword, but curious if something else might be better for occasions. Devils claw maybe?

hearty panther
#

i run it knife cause thats the most elysian thing u can do

#

other than csword

#

but also despite the buffs its still principally a weapon that operates best in close ranges instead of as a marksman support tool

flat pebble
#

if you have kraks or onslaught i’d say devils claw is good

untold moth
#

I’ll give devils a try

tall torrent
tall torrent
forest star
#

Should I grab this Mk VIIa to upgrade and see if it'll be better?

flat pebble
#

sure why not if you’ve got the dosh

untold moth
#

I’d say no. Mobility stat is wasted stats personally

forest star
#

Do wish the ammo wasn't quite that much less.

forest star
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flat pebble
#

oh i didn’t realize the right has like functionally 50 more rounds

#

that’s kind of a lot

forest star
#

Even with the extra damage the left has, the right would do more damage per magazine typically.

quick burrow
#

is rending strikes worth on the column mk 5 inf auto?

forest star
#

I'll probably grab it to upgrade for blessings to nab off either way but I'm wonderin if it's worth keeping

thick kestrel
#

ahhh wait... in regards to the bolt pistol and proximity blessing... do boltguns have a minimum arming distance for the explosive normally?

tame lodge
#

They do now

flat pebble
#

yes

thick kestrel
#

rrrrriiight... now I get what it's doing

#

somehow had it in my head that it was some sort of air burst trigger round for getting past bulwark shields and cover xD

#

but ace, that works

brave verge
#

almost

#

just shy one 1shot dreg bruisers, needs some headtaker stacks first

flat pebble
thick kestrel
#

aye makes more sense now

#

just me misunderstanding ^^

flat pebble
#

don’t expect the explosion itself to do much damage fwiw

hearty panther
#

yea its like, 50 damage

#

it WILL however instantly detonate any poxbursters the explosion touches

thick kestrel
#

aye, it's more the AoE stagger/supression

hearty panther
#

watch out for that lmao

thick kestrel
#

way to get some breathing room mid fight and whatnot

quick burrow
#

whos ready for hadron to have her way with me?

#

HOLY CRAP HADRON

thick kestrel
#

neat!

quick burrow
#

is that even good rofl it seems good

thick kestrel
#

seems like a solid base to work from

quick burrow
#

i dont know what to aim for on this one

fathom rose
thick kestrel
#

maybe swap execution for surgical?

covert timber
#

But why are bolt pistols so under powered?

hearty panther
#

god

#

how often are we gonna have this talk

thick kestrel
#

flak/unyielding is probably ok, popping reaper heads and what not

wraith flare
#

can u show the weapon stats u got here? and build for that matter

covert timber
#

What?

wraith flare
#

Ive only gotten shit lasguns so far

tall torrent
# quick burrow

Ur not gonna believe this but boltpistol’s breakpoints want maniac + elite

fathom rose
quick burrow
#

dam haha

fathom rose
#

on a boltweapon

thick kestrel
#

so just on my own attempt with Hadron, sadly not so lucky ^^

quick burrow
#

im so trained to love flak

hearty panther
past knot
#

Whats the bless on double barrel? Also do I also need stopping power? Or its simple stagger

tall torrent
covert timber
#

Ok I am sorry for complaining those are some really good stats

tall torrent
#

Elite is for dreg gunner

#

Maniac is mandatory tho

hearty panther
#

is this w/o agile engage

thick kestrel
#

I mean... I might be able to manage something with this? lethal proximity and execution theoretically... something?

maybe just fix the perks and use this on my combat specialist loadout

tall torrent
hearty panther
#

hmmm

#

ill be fine then

quick burrow
#

so should i swap unyielding for maniac and exe for surg for that pistol?

tall torrent
#

Agile doesn’t contribute much for this gun breakpoint-wise

#

Unless ur perks don’t give u the 1 tap

quick burrow
#

il give it a try

#

not bad for the first one i made rofl

#

im used to like waaay more

thick kestrel
#

ok...

#

second attempt worked MUCH better ^^

quick burrow
#

niiice that guy said elite dmg is the one to go for

thick kestrel
#

aye, 10% woudl be better, but honestly getting bent out of shape for not managing a perfect roll isn't worth the trouble.

will roll up a pile of blues to try and unlock surgical and just roll with it ^^

#

...

#

I guess I somehow did something to make Hadron like me today:

quick burrow
#

haha she likes u more than me on my second one i conscen i got tier 3 surg to add to mine

flat pebble
#

i need surg 4 still

thick kestrel
#

the machine god is most generous

flat pebble
#

it’s purty

umbral granite
#

Currently my best roll of the new shock battons. I bullied a rager swarm by constantly stunning them

thick kestrel
#

how does the timed blocking blessing feel?

abstract moth
#

I don't get why some people say bolt pistol is a meme gun, to me is a totally viable gun

#

And fun to use

flat pebble
#

same reason people think bolter is a meme gun probably

umbral granite
fathom rose
umbral granite
#

takes a bit of getting used to, but once you get the timing down it makes you basically immune to ragers

abstract moth
abstract moth
flat pebble
fathom rose
#

having to 2-shot some things is weird though
since the revolver can oneshot them

abstract moth
thick kestrel
#

aye, I think comparing it directly to the revolver isn't "quite" right to be fair to the Bistol

flat pebble
thick kestrel
#

the revolver is more about eliminating that one specific dude "right now"... the boltpistol feels more like a mainline gun

fathom rose
#

bistol vet is really good though

flat pebble
#

i’m about it, it’s a fun power fantasy

#

kinda hard to deal with ragers with it consistently ime

#

great against the rest of the elites and specials barring mutants

abstract moth
thick kestrel
#

aye you can keep the bolt pistol out a lot longer and keep shooting without getting crunched by the ammo quite as much

abstract moth
#

And I think the reload is quite quick, not to mention if you get buffs on reload like the reload with some ammo perk

silent nebula
#

Goddamn the shock maul + bolt pistol combo is BRUTAL with weapons specialist

hearty panther
#

been doin the same

#

not terribly, beyond where those points are distributed in the bars

umbral scaffold
#

How do we feel about the shock maul? Meh or good?

umbral scaffold
fathom rose
#

you got shock mail!

flat pebble
#

surprised your dude friend? that’s a shocked paul

severe pecan
#

Not looking bad

hearty panther
#

its so fun

severe pecan
#

This weapon skin is kinda bad on the iron sights tho, there’s a flame right over em you can’t even see where you’re aiming

flat pebble
#

oh so a candle with which we commemorate the god emperors most glorious sacrifice is a distraction to you is that right

serene bough
#

why being shot in the chest by an explosive bolt doesnt immediately kill something is kind of weird when you consider a revolver can pierce through 3 shotgunners

candid agate
#

best shock maul for weapons specialist?

rapid hull
sleek garden
#

i gotta say

#

this is pretty horrible to look at

#

im really impressed

oak gorge
#

bro is munching on that thing 🤤

#

absolutely gobbling it down

sleek garden
#

nasty

#

hows that metal taste

oak gorge
#

he's got an iron deficiency this is what the doctor prescribed him 🥰

fading grove
#

Recon lasguns are insane now 💀

flat pebble
sleek garden
#

its super nasty

flat pebble
#

it’s like when a smoker has to use one of those throat mic things to talk except on steroids

hidden plover
fading grove
last parcel
#

headhunter

hidden plover
#

Thanks

fading grove
#

Ye

hidden plover
#

Running recon on exe builds seems way better than when I was using it on a voice build

fading grove
#

Yeah

mental cloud
last parcel
#

i feel something real warm rn

#

(it’s the swamp ass)

hearty panther
#

that reload speed node under survivalist should just be ranged damage

#

id hate to advocate for a vet buff but there, i said it

#

i hate that node so much

#

any time i wanna try xstance i have to stare at it and really commit to the absolute biggest L you could spend a talent point on

#

and it hurts every single time i do it

last parcel
#

i just stopped reading so it doesn’t affect me anymore

hearty panther
#

damn thats a move

uncut rose
#

any recommendations for improvement?

hearty panther
#

maniac elite and ur gud

uncut rose
#

sweet

gilded wraith
#

Here's your 5%, please ignore the talents that give 25-30% and the blessings that give 50-70% reload speed.

last parcel
#

since they already have unarmoured

uncut rose
#

yea tried the reload one on new sawed off not very good.

hearty panther
#

i defer to numbercats but i just use flakiac with agile engagement and ws

#

and it do me just fine

#

not having surgical is unfortunate but not an unworkable loss

#

and i think proximity is kinda legit lmao

near sable
#

executioner on bp..

flat pebble
#

it’s usable

near sable
#

probably more useful on nonvet

somber axle
midnight totem
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terse idol
#

oh

unique orchid
#

mates have you guys seen the new rebreather?

terse idol
#

😌

midnight totem
#

What's more 40k then staggering enemies with shout and popping them?

near sable
#

It's a catch 22, the cadian has the best battlecries but has the worst dialogue

last parcel
#

blasting hot lead onto the heretics

midnight totem
#

Literally "FOR THE EMPEROR" bang bang bang

last parcel
#

mmmm

near sable
#

VICTORY OR DEATH!

oak gorge
#

shooting thick ropes onto loyalists (i'm a trapper)

unique orchid
#

all the vets have good shout lines

unique orchid
#

i switched my loose cannon to professional though, i had a game with 3 vets and an oggy and it was triple-LC

near sable
#

schizo lc

oak gorge
flat pebble
unique orchid
#

cutthroat and professional sound very similar, which sort of sucks

#

the voices are difficult to discern sometimes

last parcel
#

idk they sound pretty different to me

cyan vale
# uncut rose any recommendations for improvement?

I run deadly accurate and crit chance while aiming then flak and carapace. Really good sometimes on taking out the heavy armor.I don’t get lethal proximity. So if you miss your shot it doesn’t explode without this perk?

flat pebble
#

missed shots are missed shots

mental cloud
flat pebble
#

cutthroat sounds mean as fuck with the deeper pitched vox helmets

#

that’s why i use it

unique orchid
#

a fair reason

somber axle
#

@wraith flare I used an extra silly clown set up for that original test and have since confirmed through more testing that the Recon Mk VId can still achieve 3500-3600 DPS on a Crusher with a less silly talent tree if you get a Recon Mk VId with 80% damage stat, Infernus IV, Headhunter IV, +25% Crusher and +10% Elite. Depending on your damage stat, if you run Carapace perk, if you run elite perk and if you go Longshot route or Confirmed Kill route (and if you drop Bring It Down for Demo Team to get nade regen) your DPS can vary from 3000 to 3600 DPS when using the Recon Mk VId with Onslaught/Rending Strikes/Focus Target/Exe Stance/Shock Trooper

umbral scaffold
#

i may be dumb

#

but where can you find the new weapon challenges at?

somber axle
#

I have a new Recon now that's SLIGHTLY better with Elite instead of Maniac, slightly more ammo stat and slightly more collateral stat for less stability stat (which is a dump stat when running Exe Stance/Deadshot anyway LOL)

radiant chasm
#

join game, fighting pogryn at first part of new map

#

teammate immediately barrels 2 of us a map

umbral scaffold
blazing cargo
#

Good blessing combo for Indignatus maul?

radiant chasm
#

he get instantly charge bumped off 5 seconds later

#

man fuck this LOL

umbral scaffold
#

man

#

imagine how he feels

#

hot wash of shame

radiant chasm
#

he deserves it

#

zealot karker

last parcel
umbral scaffold
#

I'd lose sleep over that

radiant chasm
#

like i was actually in such a good posisition to join in, throw kraks, and go to town iwth my chsword

umbral scaffold
somber axle
#

I will share the revised talent tree in a sec

umbral scaffold
#

thanks

gritty swallow
#

of the new guns which is worth me investing into first?

umbral scaffold
#

uh

#

double barrel if you love stealth vet gameplay

#

the other if you don't

#

double barrel excels on stealth vet

gritty swallow
#

thanks for the info!

umbral scaffold
#

weapon specialist makes it really useful too

#

always prepared makes hotswapping super fun

#

feels like doom eternal

somber axle
umbral scaffold
#

but i just optimized for 45% sprint efficiency and 9 stamina

#

run n gun feels fun to use on the double barrel

last parcel
#

gotta go fast

uncut rose
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playing a shout vet custom build that I use as my favorite and this shotgun combo is insane