veteran-class

[somber axle]

Anyway this is your reminder that tomorrow you will see this:

[mental cloud]

🤦🏻‍♂️ lol

[mental cloud]

MAKE IT STOP

[somber axle]

Tomorrow comes

The passage of time is inevitable

And so is this silly tactical ball gag

[junior needle]

But unfortunately fatsharks opinion is the only one that matters because they have the only say on adjustments. Clearly they are fine with letting some weapons be outrageously better than most while others languish in the dumpster. Before ciag/plasma/revolver it was autopistol and bolter.

[somber axle]

The secret is that Boltgun is still good

[junior needle]

It's a shadow of its former self

[somber axle]

Pinning Fire needed to be destroyed

It was the only way

[tawny badger]

slowly but surely they’re making rejects into servitors

[junior needle]

At the very least the title for worst gun now belongs to the autopistol

[tawny badger]

first the eye augments, now this

[tawny badger]

oh my god

[fiery wave]

It does

[tall torrent]

Which breakpoints

[fiery wave]

It needs 20% nerf on left click non charge and it’s cleave removed

[tall torrent]

20% is crazy

20% removes its ability to 1 tap gunners & flamers without crits

[mental cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-kill-fuego-matar-incendiar-gif-5307315

[fiery wave]

Needs to be nerfed to bring it in line with other options

[tall torrent]

You’re just making that number up now

[fiery wave]

Same with VoC, specifically golden toughness

[tall torrent]

Not getting to 1 shot gunners & flamers on plasma basically destroys any reason to use it

If it was smth like carapace dmg, sure

20% across the board? No

[junior needle]

The crown belongs to the laspistol I'm afraid

[somber axle]

That's your crown not mine

[bitter turtle]

this is what i mean by 7 being actuall ydecent imo btw

[junior needle]

There can be only one

[slow spade]

Plasma should be fully automatic

[gilded rock]

A true sadgedy

[slow spade]

Also remove heat

[bitter turtle]

flak dmg is similar to iag now

[somber axle]

But technically Helbore Mk III does it better than both through a 1HKO that is totally free and refunds Survivalist Aura ammo too

Nothing can beat a gun that instantly kills for free in a competition of ammo economy and DPS

[bitter turtle]

maniac dmg can hit 3k dps without running a troll build

ive played guns with worse maniac dmg

for a gun with access to shocktrooper and no recoil its not a bad tradeoff

[placid portal]

Super shotgun gunning down muties with a single braced shot is fun

[rocky jacinth]

the correct way to nerf the plasma gun would be to simply give it a 5% chance of exploding in your face when you pull the trigger

[junior needle]

Flak is the only regular armor type that the iag's don't have a positive mod to

[tall torrent]

Based assault crosshair enjoyer

[junior needle]

So I'm not surprised

[clear mist]

whats better now shock maul or power sword?

[placid portal]

like the table tops? XD

[tall torrent]

Would be funny but wouldn’t be fun to play with

[rocky jacinth]

of course, we have to stick to the lore here

[bitter turtle]

right, but this is just a point of comparison

[fiery wave]

Psword

[somber axle]

It would be funny to play with a Plasma Vet though

[bitter turtle]

its like i said

dropping your maniac dmg to 3k for a bigger clip+ stability is not a terrible tradeoff

[tall torrent]

Uncharged cleave nerf + ammo cost increase
Charged shot ammo cost decrease

More than enough

[fiery wave]

Psword is the best melee weapon in the entire game

[gilded rock]

Bro MIGHT be fakshart dev

[somber axle]

Give Plasma a 5% chance to explode if you try to shoot an Uncharged shot at 100% heat. Keep rolling those dice

[placid portal]

I'm still wondering what people mean by Bolt pistol having a bad handling, it looks far more snappy vs boltgun

[tall torrent]

That’s not as bad as random any 5% chance to blow up

But uncharged safe vent should not be there

[rocky jacinth]

but actually non joke answer, making the plasma gun unstable in game would be a really cool way to nerf it, give it a chance to give double heat, occasionally jam, uncontrollably veer off target before the bolt comes out, random extra long windup, that sort of thing

[somber axle]

Yeah because it only punishes people who ignore heat as a mechanic

[faint beacon]

Reminder the teeth move

[somber axle]

Skilled Plasma Vets will see no change to gameplay

[fiery wave]

It should be 100% no matter what

[flat pebble]

someone equated handling yesterday to stability and flinching under fire so i think we just have people using handling in wildly different ways

[tall torrent]

U should just not be able to safe vent with uncharged shots

[rocky jacinth]

make it a temperamental son of a bitch as it's meant to be

[junior needle]

True, I really wish it did have absolutely no recoil though. There's still sight sway and the shots do wander around a bit if you watch closely

[flat pebble]

yeah that was my suggestion yesterday

it needs to have a more punishing experience to justify the power that skill can compensate for without issue

[somber axle]

Even better

[tall torrent]

Uncharged cleave nerf from 100 to 6, ammo cost increase from 3 to 4, remove safe vent at 100% heat

Charged shot ammo cost decrease from 9 to 6

Good enough
No point changing its dmg profile when it’s by far the most restricting %dmg roll ranged weapon for veteran

[junior needle]

Doesn't uncharged have like 15 cleave?

[tall torrent]

The BP calculator says 100

[austere pine]

wtf is that cleave nerf

[tall torrent]

I don’t think it should have more than 6

[austere pine]

why was it that way to begin with

[placid portal]

I remember uncharged used to have infinite 👴

[tall torrent]

Not infinite, just 100

[placid portal]

Sounds like nearly infinite xd

[junior needle]

Something doesn't look right

[tall torrent]

6 cleave = 3 shotgunners

[junior needle]

I'm gonna check that

[tall torrent]

Lemme know the result u get

[junior needle]

Looks like 60~

Assuming 10 per dreg rager as gameslantern says

Don't mind my boogie music in the background

[wind patio]

The normal auric mission
You love to see it

[white minnow]

bp calc assumes 100% charge all the time so it's wrong about the plasma lmb cleave

[tall torrent]

Dreg rager is 4 mass

[tall torrent]

Oh ok

[tall torrent]

Try mauler bodyshot, 10 mass

[flat pebble]

impossible to ignore this

[junior needle]

Same amount of targets hit

It seems the ragers do have 10 hit mass

[flat pebble]

how and why are you listening to that music

[tall torrent]

Dreg rager shouldn’t have 10 mass tho

[flat pebble]

is this a bit i can’t tell

[white minnow]

prob cuz the above video is with scab ragers and not dreg

[somber axle]

Maybe Ragers got a stealth buff?

[tame void]

Wtf am I looking at

[junior needle]

I appreciate the oldies, this song slaps

[flat pebble]

sure feels like it

[tall torrent]

Oh nvm u tested scab rager and said dreg

[junior needle]

Should put it in the next fallout

[tall torrent]

Scab is 10

[junior needle]

Oh whoops

My bad

[tall torrent]

So yea it’s at least 70+ cleave on uncharged shot

[flat pebble]

is this genuinely oldies

“i shit my pants in class i farted it was liquid”

[tall torrent]

Dreg ragers yes, they atk faster now

[somber axle]

New cosmetics tomorrow 🙂

[junior needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lssx_bNgdAE

[umbral scaffold]

I that an epic gamer mod for weapon testing

[junior needle]

Absolutely

[umbral scaffold]

Zased(!)

[junior needle]

They don't make em like they used to

[tall torrent]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1255595719893450893/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.06.26_-_14.47.37.34.mp4?ex=667db423&is=667c62a3&hm=1f0401f88db276354deeb2dd6bceecb453b39251ebdb09b71cfc715774b2593c&

Dreg rager attacks noticeably faster than scab rager

[somber axle]

Yeah I have noticed them seeming faster

[flat pebble]

bro that came out this year

[somber axle]

Do they also have faster movement speed?

[tall torrent]

Harder to quantify that

[junior needle]

Na man, it was put up on youtube this year

Kids nowadays don't know Arlo Astor, smh tbh fam

[somber axle]

Spawn two at the same spot on the other side of the arena, shoot at them once to aggro, wait to see which reaches you first?

[rocky jacinth]

It came out this year in the 1970s

[flat pebble]

i was trying to google arlo aster and nothing was coming up

[tall torrent]

Am outside rn
U can download creature spawner urself and find out, when u have time

[flat pebble]

was going off that link that said soul/funk 2024

[junior needle]

Don't believe everything you read on reddit

[rocky jacinth]

My mom had him on vinyl

[flat pebble]

i mean it was hardly my first choice

this guys hard to google

[junior needle]

Many black artists weren't fully appreciated in their time

[tame void]

Jesus christ it's hideous, I love it, insta buying it

[tall torrent]

The full armor sets actually look quite good

[tame void]

Ohhh candles

[flat pebble]

whatever i’m going with i’m being gaslit

[tame void]

I love candle cosmetics

[flat pebble]

the psyker headpiece makes me wanna die

[tall torrent]

It’s ok u can pair with other headpieces anyway

[steady karma]

Where can I get some good builds?

[radiant finch]

YESSS NECROMUNDA ENFORCERS

[willow siren]

someone took jonny serious when he said put some iron in your mouth

[tall torrent]

I kinda want all 4 sets lol these look perfect imo

[rocky jacinth]

||jokes aside i don't think generative AI will ever really amount to anything past funny memes but the memes are lit 🔥🔥🔥🔥||

[somber axle]

I'm at my job irl but even if I was home I would probably just hop into quickplay LOL

[willow siren]

that'll be the price of one ubisoft games pls

[flat pebble]

i’ll probably just get the vet set

the rest look cool but i don’t wanna spend whats almost certainly gonna be upwards of $40 to get all the sets

[tall torrent]

Last Ubisoft game I got was AC Odyssey on sale

[willow siren]

good game if you dont play it like an AC game

[tall torrent]

AC Origins is really good tho

[flat pebble]

odyssey was actually pretty solid for a witcher 3 knockoff

valhalla was a letdown tho

[somber axle]

Buying up the whole Elysian set for all classes, weapon skins and additional cosmetics on top of that was probably $90-$100 for that week

[tall torrent]

Origins > Odyssey >>> Valhalla

[somber axle]

[flat pebble]

elysian set looked cool but i decided to abstain

[somber axle]

Elysians are my fav regiment of all time. I had to

[flat pebble]

i have enough cool armor that i don’t jump at the high quality sets anymore unless they really speak to me

[somber axle]

I don't usually splurge like that but I made the exception

[tall torrent]

I’m only debating rn if I like Enforcer armor or Kasrkin armor more

[somber axle]

I hope there are new weapon skins too

[tall torrent]

They did mention a special weapon cosmetic per weapon type in the new itemization system

This whole itemization system to me feel like COD weapon progression

[steady karma]

Anyone got a good plasma gun build?

[radiant finch]

I play Necromunda so anytime they steal some design que from it i freak out

[flat pebble]

this is what i really want

[rocky jacinth]

Are we ever getting Inquisitorial Stormtrooper gear? I'd actually pay for that.

[maiden pilot]

new crafting system's looking dope

[flat pebble]

it’s giving me destiny 2 weapon crafting

[somber axle]

I want a grav chute backpack, a power pack backpack and Scintillians Fusiliers

[tall torrent]

XP grants point unlocks which is used to get blessings for the weapon, further progression in weapon type mastery boosts blessing & perk tier, gives u cosmetic reward at the end

And it’s called mastery too

[somber axle]

OH AND MECHANICUS. I'd instant buy anything Mechanicus

[flat pebble]

d2 crafting as you level up allows you to fine tune stats and then fine tune blessings-equivalents

and d2 crafted weapons are almost universally bad once you start them which i’m assuming will be the case for darktides new system

[clear mist]

Whats the best powersword?

[tall torrent]

Mk6

[shadow dagger]

not the dclaw user not using special attack a single time amidst a flood of rager parry opportunities

sigh

[terse idol]

Well

The dclaw actually struggles vs multiple ragers

[flat pebble]

better than being able to use it against 10 at the same time but not being able to screen record it for posterity

[terse idol]

It's REALLY GOOD against 1 or 2

But you can't get the parry's off from a horde of ragers

[flat pebble]

you can it’s just more inconsistent

the attacks have to be staggered favorably

i’m semi sure they increased the attack speed of ragers this last patch too so it’s even harder to pull off

[rocky jacinth]

Every time I hear "Worthy of a hotshot" I die a little inside

[shadow dagger]

as in he kept retreating and getting hit by only the first attack in the rager combo

the easiest one to parry

[rocky jacinth]

What's the consensus on mk 3 psword now that Sunder makes it do giga damage?

[flat pebble]

it’s more competitive now

[clear mist]

what stats shoude i aim for on an power sword?

[twin cipher]

Is this good enough to level?

Ik the reload speed is kinda low

[flat pebble]

yes lol

[twin cipher]

Ah ok good to hear

Was so sad I missed the gold one in melks

Also dang the double barrel rolls r painful

I keep getting terrible damage stats

Rolled 20% 3 times

[neat musk]

was the bolt pistol meant to make me feel like a commissar?

is that just an intended function of it?

[serene bough]

it is a very satisfying weapon to shoot

[sinful swallow]

Bash fire feels so stylish

[placid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/i-did-it-like-this-demoman-tf2-meme-gif-19484506

How it feels

[neat musk]

when I use it I feel like I'm yelling at guardsmen because they totally said something heretical

[placid portal]

boltguns do have that aggregious 40% damage modifier vs infested lol

[somber axle]

It only becomes a problem shooting at hounds since you're never shooting at poxwalkers

And depending on build you should still be able to 1HKO hounds on headshot

[serene bough]

boltpistol feels great until you miss a weakspot and need to fire 2 more times to kill something

[twin cipher]

Running bolt pistol feels like I need to run voice of command lol

[gilded rock]

I really hope the dreg rager shadow buff was an accident

If it's not then they need to at least give them less scuffed animations to match the new hits

[serene bough]

i also find ragers irritating

they recently slowed them down for us to be able to melee them and now all the sudden theyre on crac

k

[gilded rock]

More like they finally made the timing on the hits less stupid for a brief period of time

[tawny badger]

I hate the knockback that pox hounds have for existing

[gilded rock]

Then they re-stupided it with this 💀

[real sorrel]

so lads, bolt pistols been out for about 24h. how are we feeling?

i love it, plays like a fat revolver

[serene bough]

It feels great, but when I go back to my ilas I realize how weak it is

Theyre two completely different weapons but nevertheless missing a shot on the pistol feels painful

[stoic mantle]

I've done it

I'm finished hotboxing every mission

[hearty panther]

im all in for boltpistol right now

i think it kicks ass for special and elite elimination, sucks ass at sustained firefights

but i have no expectation regarding the latter

and as a bonus it has a very reliable ability to suppress/stun spread out gunners since, yknow, bolter explode

you shoot one in the head and everyone around him also stops

[real sorrel]

yeah ive found the same

great at single target picks and some light hordework (via explosions) if people are overwhelmed

also had some solid boss damage when i ran it with exe stance

[fresh mango]

what should i swap sprint with?

[bitter turtle]

flak

dclaw are terrible at flak

[fresh mango]

everything else look good?

[bitter turtle]

thunderstrike to savage sweep probably

[orchid hemlock]

No one

Absolutely no one

Pox hounds:

[tawny badger]

bolt pistol 😋

but I wish I had put deadly accurate on it, now that would be funny with surgical

[atomic zephyr]

has anyone tested lethal proximity/execution on the bolt pistol?

[flat pebble]

lethal proximity isnt particularly worth it but i use execution on my bistol and think its okay

[hearty panther]

yes, its fine

[little path]

So like

polt bistol feels kinda shit

is it just one of those guns that demand absolute perfect perks and blessings to work?

or is it just kinda mid

[hearty panther]

for vet not really

run right tree and its very potent with almost any formulation

flakiac is still ideal

[little path]

so it's pretty much just the revolver again?

[flat pebble]

eh its a little jankier but sure

strongest aspect of bistol is the power fantasy, it's not like an insane gun or anything

[hearty panther]

its just good instead of stupid good

[flat pebble]

but it hits thebps you need it to on most elites and specials if you hit their heads and crit

or just hit their head

but do use surgical

[hearty panther]

and its a lot more flexible than revolver tbh

[flat pebble]

imo its more fun than revolver

[hearty panther]

revolver just clicks heads to death, this thing can scatter rooms

[flat pebble]

im just so bored of revolver at this point

[little path]

I'm guessing the best blessings are like

surgical and dead accurate

[flat pebble]

pretty much yes

[little path]

the other ones are meme options that don't do much?

[faint beacon]

So we got wiped on the new map again right, but my god me and 1 zealot had to fight a Plogryn for a solid 5 minutes

cause our Psykers got killed

and hordes just kept getting dumped in

[flat pebble]

essentially although the bleed one might make it better against bosses

[little path]

Crazy that empowered smite psyker didn't get nerfed

[somber axle]

I found a build using Marksman's Focus that 1HKOs Crushers during buff windows and 2HKOs them otherwise which has been fun to run in quickplay. Maintaining MF stacks is the only tricky part so people who dislike that keystone beware. Focus Target + Redirect Fire was also very good for maintaining breakpoints more consistently. I haven't tried Weapon Specialist Boltpistol yet tbh. I also mainly use it with Executioner's Stance

[flat pebble]

ive been using it with FT+RF and enjoying it

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Redirect Target also meets 2HKO Crushers

[little path]

What about the double barrel

I haven't built one

[somber axle]

I haven't toyed with breakpoints on the new Shotgun yet

[little path]

but I got a grey one with 80 damage and played around with it in psykanium

It can almost kill maulers with both barrels

[somber axle]

Work has been very tricky this week and all my play time for Darktide has been either Boltpistol or enjoying Recon buffs

[serene bough]

quit your job

[little path]

So I'm assuming with the right perks and blessings the goal is to instakill maulers

[flat pebble]

yeah apparently i can one tasp them reliably point blank

idk if you even need blessing support to accomplish that

[little path]

Pretty sure it's required since mine couldn't 1 tap them

[flat pebble]

did you have flak and or elite

[little path]

No

Grey one with 80 damage

[flat pebble]

doesnt it also have a stopping power stat

[somber axle]

I need the money to be a independent clown. Otherwise I need to marry into money and no thanks

[little path]

I thought stopping power was just stagger

[flat pebble]

thats collateral

[little path]

????

[flat pebble]

and apparently the saul

[little path]

I thought collateral was piercing damage

[serene bough]

or you could win the lottery

[flat pebble]

yeah sneaky you should just win the lottery

[somber axle]

I live in Vegas. The only thing you win by playing games of chance is laughter from lady luck

[faint beacon]

Okay, im very happy to see that there's now a mod that amplifies ragdolls

and I will be using this

[serene bough]

im sorry you live in vegas

[somber axle]

If you don't have a gambling addiction it is a lovely place tbh

Shows, shopping, amazing food

The pools here at the major resorts make Summer very fun

My S.O. and I are splurging on a small vacation for my birthday enjoying the fun sides of Vegas

[coral willow]

@somber axle how goods the new vet

[somber axle]

Do you mean Recons? Or the new weapons? Because I have only really played with Boltpistol and my Recon Mk VId since the update dropped and both are amazing

[rigid pilot]

Is recon 6d still king?

Because onslaught

[somber axle]

Yes and no

[coral willow]

general

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/btKvn.gif

Its time

wait no wrong image

that one still fucks tho

[somber axle]

Recon Mk VId is the highest DPS variant and has the best TTK across all enemies but only when using Onslaught and Rending Strikes. If you ignore Rending/Brittleness then the Recon Mk VIIa is the best performer I think

[amber cliff]

dis one

[midnight totem]

anybody up for a game?

[somber axle]

But the Mk II got substantial buffs so it is also very good

[amber cliff]

dis one is fun

[coral willow]

i have a speedload mkvid

how good gonna be it

[rigid pilot]

Isn't 6d the lmg variant now

[somber axle]

What does the weapon look like as far as stats, perks and the other blessing?

[rigid pilot]

Close to 200 ammo

[coral willow]

i spent all my plasteel on getting a decent saul on zealot

[somber axle]

Yes

[coral willow]

out in the wild so cant post but it was maniac critdamage speedload and punishing salvo

thanks hadron

[rigid pilot]

Lmao

How are players so plasteel poor I still have 190k after crafting

[coral willow]

give me 90% of it

[amber cliff]

LEAVE MY SCREENSHOT ALONE

[coral willow]

i know i will spend it all crafting weapons

[amber cliff]

that shit was a long time ago

I have bands now

[rigid pilot]

No player market

[amber cliff]

PROOF

that shotgun was tragic tho

[somber axle]

I would swap Speedload and Punishing Salvo to Headhunter and either Dum Dum or Infernus. Maniac is an ok perk but the Maniac ADM got buffed across the board for Recons so it isn't necessary on the Recons anymore. It does help Mutie TTK though. Crit damage is awkward but as long as the stats are solid the weapon should kill effectively

[coral willow]

crid damage kekw

[serene bough]

only part of the west coast ive been to is san fransisco and it was gorgeous except for the literal camps of homeless people everywhere

being from the east coast im inclined not to like the west coast everyone there is so happy and sun baked

[coral willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031302302709059645/1250085901808439368/image.png?ex=667e17f8&is=667cc678&hm=898eaca34b253d808f4e34bc8e2501913dbbe13a6134b3cbf7ceaef27316aaee&

[somber axle]

You will not see homeless people in Vegas around Sin City. Aside from the Summers being hot enough to be deadly and forcing homeless people to become sewer dwellers the major resorts/casinos make sure to keep the homeless away while the police keep them off the sidewalks. People on vacation will not see anything like that unless they book an Airbnb in North Las Vegas. That side of town is pretty bad

[serene bough]

vegas is on my bucket list but itll be a while

id rather go to colorado and get lost on a mountain

[amber cliff]

Come aus

[flat pebble]

lol go north of SF and everyone is depressed and weird and the weather is cloudy, foggy, or rainy

[serene bough]

disgusting

[amber cliff]

what the fuck

What the fuck

[flat pebble]

oh dude is this guy a bogan

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/rc1pFdjUodh.gif

YOU WHAT

YOU FUCK

[flat pebble]

i hope you get got by a drop bear

[amber cliff]

Id eat it

whats wrong with Aus man

everyone hates coming here

fr

[flat pebble]

im just leaning into the bit

im from a CA desert so i have no room to talk shit

[amber cliff]

its ok

[somber axle]

My warning to everyone who comes here: if you want to gamble set a hard budget aside specifically for that and do not overstep it ever. Don't let sunk cost fallacy empty your account. Set aside that money and treat it as if you would treat spending money at a restaurant or show: entertainment expense. Don't plan to win. If you win a nice chunk of money grab it and leave, don't gamble more and hope for a bigger win

[amber cliff]

god put me in AUS to give other men a chance

i forgive u

[amber cliff]

I dunno man......

[flat pebble]

ive heard a good rule is to put the money you intend to spend in one pocket and the money you win in the other and only pull from the first pocket

[amber cliff]

I dunnoooooo....

[somber axle]

That's a very good rule as long as you don't drink so much you forget which pocket is which

[somber axle]

I work in this digital circus and I would rather people have fun without harming themselves LOL

[bitter turtle]

jesus christ

[flat pebble]

i dont like gambling anyway so the advice is lost on me

[bitter turtle]

istg every patch .like half the systems in the game break

[amber cliff]

I DUNNNOOOO

[bitter turtle]

i cant chat

[flat pebble]

its too stressful for me

[amber cliff]

IM RIGHT THERE

[bitter turtle]

for some reason

[wind schooner]

Have you tried the zarona? Its the bolt pistol but better and only has a slower reload

[amber cliff]

https://tenor.com/4cC8.gif

shit

[somber axle]

If you don't gamble you will probably enjoy Vegas more tbh

[flat pebble]

asking someone in vet chat if they've ever used the revolver

[hearty panther]

its ok

i was just gonna ignore it lmao

[amber cliff]

saw the pomni pick, thought you said you worked in the digital circus and eyes nearly budlged out mmy head

[somber axle]

We have a LOT of fun shows, amazing restaurants, fantastic buffets, really good places to shop and explore, good sights for pictures, etc.

[hearty panther]

but yes both weapons are in a similar category

[somber axle]

Yeah I like doubling down on the joke LOL

[wind schooner]

I mean its a pretty popular pick considering like every other mission has a revolver boi

[flat pebble]

ya i lived in vegas when i was kid for a brief time im vaguely familiar

[hearty panther]

and yes i am very bored of revolver, agrip excluded

[amber cliff]

Double down, Is this a gambling reference

[flat pebble]

also i used to live like 3 hours across the border from vegas so i went there a lot with family growing up

[somber axle]

I am trapped in this place for now but it's not so bad being part of the reason people see Vegas as a vacation destination

I like making people happy

[flat pebble]

i just dont like desert locales since i grew up in one so i'm already uninterested lol

[last parcel]

ah

drug dealer

[flat pebble]

that was my point lol

[somber axle]

The heat is wonderful for swim season but is miserable otherwise

[flat pebble]

recommending the revolver to someone in this discord, in this part of the discord, like yes they've probably tried the revolver lmao

[amber cliff]

being a drug dealer probably is awesome

[somber axle]

But it could be worse

I could be somewhere with heat AND humidity

[amber cliff]

In minecraft

[somber axle]

Imagine the air being spicy

[flat pebble]

i used to live in florida lol

[wind schooner]

I'm not sure why they thought dropping the bolt pistol and having it do less damage than the revolver was a smart idea, but then again this is obeseshark

[flat pebble]

its all different flavors of suck

[amber cliff]

Anyone live in AUS? yeah?

y-yeah?

clap once if you have!

https://tenor.com/bWfW6.gif

[flat pebble]

well its the same damage profile as the bolter so that was probably the idea

its a bolter sidegrade not a revolver sidegrade

[amber cliff]

ur a side grade

but agreed

[flat pebble]

true

[atomic zephyr]

funny melee bpistol

the b-pistol.
the bepis.

[bitter turtle]

nothing can outdamage a revolver

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4Q7o1yc5J0

[torpid quail]

Can't get a good mace to save my life
Fuck you Peddler 138/143

[amber cliff]

I did not expect that mf to start speaking english

[atomic zephyr]

"hmm i fee like rolling one more bolt pistol, lets see if hadron gives me something cool"
hadron:

[amber cliff]

why can't americans be the people the japanese say that are

[flat pebble]

nods bepis

[amber cliff]

it saddens mem

[somber axle]

I have a friend who was born there but lives in Indiana now. I know nothing about the place other than Disney having a theme park there and the weird heat/humidity. But the new GTA is being set in Florida so there's that I guess I don't play GTA games

[atomic zephyr]

fucking t2 puncture on a 370 rating pistol

[amber cliff]

yeah thats fucked up

[flat pebble]

there's a saying the the further north you get in florida the more south it becomes

florida is a weird place where its got CA vibes if you're in the southern tip and its basically the deep south if your in the northern part

[somber axle]

Oh wait

[flat pebble]

except instead of there being mexicans locally there's cubans

[cinder wadi]

any recommendations for what blessings/perks the double shotty should have?

[somber axle]

My friend who loves Florida was extra excited recently

Hockey game team won or something

Florida Panthers??

[atomic zephyr]

am i cooking?

[flat pebble]

yeah the panthers beat the oilers

[somber axle]

But they have rats as an important animal for their team and I do not understand

[flat pebble]

you probably will want surgical but execution isnt terrible

[atomic zephyr]

i already have a surg/DA pistol

just experimenting

[somber axle]

The year the Vegas Golden Knights won the NHL Championship I remember seeing the Panthers have rats as part of their intro and I was so confused

[rapid hull]

a player killed a rat with his stick back in the day and we went to cup that season so it became a tradition to throw rats on the ice

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/pomni-the-amazing-digital-circus-blank-stare-stare-soulless-gif-8388590147846269745

Well ok I guess

[hearty panther]

florida

[rapid hull]

think he also got a hat trick the game he killed it

[coral willow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1255538672044871700/image.png?ex=667d7f02&is=667c2d82&hm=1267c664c880d5afd39641fc3564f64a1429f5c270f6f1d7b7417dcb8fb3c24b&

best saul i have

damage hurts aaaa

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-saul-saul-goodman-adamghik-gif-23876766

[coral willow]

crusher does more damage still tho

[flat pebble]

i really wanna try saul on vet

[atomic zephyr]

its fun af

[flat pebble]

seems fun and there's less stiff melee competition

[coral willow]

parry blessing is goat

[flat pebble]

dont mention the power sword i dont care about the power sword

[atomic zephyr]

replaced powersword for me since it can fairly reliably kill carapace

[somber axle]

It's ok damage is the dump stat

[coral willow]

the damage hurts dude

[atomic zephyr]

and good crowd control

[coral willow]

reliable?

it has 90% carapace pen

[atomic zephyr]

idk i beat crushers to death in 4-5 swings i think

its not bad

[coral willow]

zero idea why a giant hammer doesnt pen better than a shitty maul

but it does

[atomic zephyr]

oh wait i misread that

[coral willow]

fatshank

oppertunity is a dumb blessing

if it was on other weapons it'd been great

but its on a maul with stupid pen

[flat pebble]

shockmaul

metal man

bzzzzrt

[coral willow]

high volt does more daamge than the rending lmao

[atomic zephyr]

is this any good?

also wtf is stunning

[flat pebble]

apparently you want high voltage on them

[tall torrent]

Swap crit dmg to flak/maniac?
Overwhelming force to Skullcrusher

[coral willow]

crit to maniac, overwhelming to high volt or skullcrusher

[tall torrent]

I actually think LR is a bit better since veteran doesn’t have stagger talents to break rager combo without using special

[crude fiber]

Does the stun count as a stagger state?

[tall torrent]

I believe so

[coral willow]

its wierd

ive tested it

[tall torrent]

LR is nice for dealing with ragers

[atomic zephyr]

le beating stick has arrived

[coral willow]

the hits are half +80% damage and half not

[flat pebble]

it was more LR +HV not HV + OF

[crude fiber]

Skullcrusher would be pretty noice if it does

[atomic zephyr]

how long is the lightning reflexes window?

[coral willow]

not long

but no cooldown

[tall torrent]

LR + SC for veteran/psyker, HV + SC for zealot imo

[atomic zephyr]

oh neat

[coral willow]

im in for LR+HV

[tall torrent]

HV + SC goes hard for zealot since u have +stagger talents to break rager combo

SC +80% dmg is just hard to beat

[flat pebble]

i wanna try HV + SC

[coral willow]

true

[flat pebble]

seems like a fun beat stick

[coral willow]

just oure damage is good

i just like the parry

[flat pebble]

i mostly use plasma gun so im not really concerned about elites

i voop them into the netherrealm

[crude fiber]

I thought the double barell might be good on zealot with the reduced spread on dodge node. Can anyone confirm?

[coral willow]

i think i have 1a that is like that

[hearty panther]

yes

[tall torrent]

Yes

Also both barrels is nice

Fixes reload problem

It’ll one tap maulers & ragers at close range

[coral willow]

how to onetap?

seems to need flak to do it

[tall torrent]

For mauler u need +flak perk

[coral willow]

got it

[old quail]

lightning reflexes is absurd if enemies actually fuckin attack you

vs dreg ragers you block for like half a second and can stun 6

because they have increased attack speed

[tall torrent]

Yea LR is super nice

[old quail]

it runs into the same problem i have with dclaw where enemies never try to attack me

they always aggro teammates when i can use it

it's so frustrating

[tall torrent]

But HV is better if u just want to bonk

[visual pendant]

Love just getting a horde of mutants running at you and dropping them all back to back with the secondary shot

[old quail]

high voltage vs skullcrusher is actually less meaningful depending on the target

[flat pebble]

is it a consistent OHK on muties?

[old quail]

on ragers for example the breakpoints stay roughly the same assuming they're full health

[white minnow]

is that why you were malding when the scab ragers ran through you and to me

[old quail]

yes

[white minnow]

L

[visual pendant]

Yeah, aim head at about maybe... twice melee range and it drops them

[old quail]

only reload blessing i like

[flat pebble]

whats the DB total ammo?

[old quail]

i kinda wish onslaught still stacked per bodypart hit

would be sick with double barrel

[tall torrent]

Both Barrels gives a custom reload animation therefore it’s the meta must-pick blessing

[old quail]

troo

[old quail]

62

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049217901825110056/1255564447498637393/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.06.26_-_12.44.28.33.mp4?ex=667d9703&is=667c4583&hm=75763115a87cd3d33c9e6e4ae21357568ce35a2eb4816ff74815f26d8d0578a1&

[flat pebble]

also did anyone else here see the guy yesterday claiming the double barrel wasn't a double barrel shotgun because it's actually a sawn off

apparently a shotgun cant be both

[tall torrent]

60+2
75+2 if u take +25% ammo talent (u get 12 per tin)

[flat pebble]

i really wanna try the DB but feel like ill probably not enjoy having a short range gun

[tall torrent]

It is extremely short range

Ironically very not fun in the new map (after mid event it’s basically permanent gunner spam)

[visual pendant]

Taking it your role is definitely full on front range skirmisher

[tall torrent]

It’s like

3000+ dmg at close range when u brace fire (around 8m)

After that your dmg is miserable

[flat pebble]

that's what i was concerned about

i dont trust randoms to deal with gunner spam

[tall torrent]

Also brace fire has lower minimum pellet count, but higher dmg/pellet

[fresh mango]

devil claw + double barrel is a fun skirmish run around playstyle

[tall torrent]

It’s ~2.5x dmg in 1 shot compared to hipfiring 1 shot at a time

[crude fiber]

Aww and here I was hoping it actually just fired 2 shells at once

[coral willow]

is the stats updated

[tall torrent]

Wdym

My guide?

[visual pendant]

Yeah it is a bit weird it's not two instances of damage

[flat pebble]

sounds like a krak grenade mandatory build

[fresh mango]

very much so

but double barrel still does a good job at at least staggering em

[visual pendant]

Also, DB very good against bosses lmao

[lime sedge]

How are chainaxes different from chainswords?

[tall torrent]

Chainaxes have higher single target, worse dodge, worse horde clear

[lime sedge]

for chain axes?

ty

[faint beacon]

Was not expecting DB + Knife running the WS talent tree to be so much damn fun

[last parcel]

hobo with a shotgun

[sturdy zephyr]

Chainaxe wayy better anticrusher imo.

[tall torrent]

U wanna farm mats?

[faint beacon]

if DT would stop crashing I'd be down

[tall torrent]

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Oh I needed the skull for Hab Dreyko

[tall torrent]

Ok

[faint beacon]

rare like 3 ones I didn't get lmao

[elder dawn]

suck my ass hadron

[somber axle]

Infiltrate, Hunter's Resolve, Overwatch? Sneak in, blast the gunner line apart, sneak back out if things get hairy

[flat pebble]

yeah ig

i dont like being a stealth guy

[somber axle]

Whenever I get around to trying DBS that's how I plan to play it

[woeful ibex]

whats the best blessings for Shotgun?

[somber axle]

Can still do frontline Doom memes but have Infiltrate in the back pocket to rush the gunner line if the quickplay squad is ducking for cover and hoping someone else will take care of the firing line

[flat pebble]

DB? consensus seems to be both barrlels deathspitter

[somber axle]

How bad is the spread on the DBS?

Is Full Bore just not an option

[flat pebble]

that's what ive heard

[somber axle]

Infiltrate, Surprise Attack, snuggle up to the Mauler from behind and unleash both barrels into the back of their head with Full Bore

But outside of treating it like a melee weapon the spread probably means Full Bore isn't proccing

How well does it perform vs Crushers?

Has anyone toyed with using it to make them explode?

[woeful ibex]

yeah the double barrel

[flat pebble]

someone earlier said it staggers them

but you'll need kraks or a good melee to deal with them

[somber axle]

I want to do clown science to see if it is possible to kill them with it

When I get home it is time to begin the grind of diamantine to roll a good DBS

[radiant chasm]

ok say hypothetically, i have a build with agri brauto, krak, survivalist, infiltrate, what keystone should i head towards, i'm thinking team leader or skip keystones all together

[somber axle]

The extra firing speed and guaranteed crit could be funny with that on Weapon Specialist. Focus Target is a solid pick though. Target Down will help your own toughness/stamina (even if you don't do funny automatic weapon + Deadshot memes your melee squadmates will be grateful for the sudden bursts of stamina restored while they push attack, block, etc.) and should reduce TTK on beefier targets

Don't do Marksman's Focus but you already knew that

[flat pebble]

yeah id say focus target as well if you are the type of player that remembers to ping

[radiant chasm]

👍

[somber axle]

Focus Target + Redirect Fire could be a very nice and consistent damage buff to maintain through fights

Just gotta remember to juggle the pings

[radiant chasm]

only downside to focus target for me is i can't get the stam delay talents

but that's life

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-toss-tossing-bowling-pin-juggling-juggling-gif-14727402

[somber axle]

What does your talent tree look like

I designed this just for funsies

[radiant chasm]

bf accidently clicked verified files so i closed for the night

lemme open up uhh

games lantern builder

[somber axle]

This gives you Krak, Surv Aura, Infil, Focus Target and still gives you Stam regen

[radiant chasm]

wouldn't go weakspot damage with agri brauto

[somber axle]

You get Confirmed Kill, Close Quarters Drill, Iron Will and even get Demo Stockpile with the option to easily swap the point off Stockpile and into Demo Team if you prefer that talent instead for grenade regen

[radiant chasm]

determined i think is good tho

[somber axle]

That works too

[radiant chasm]

oh weakspot damage is universla

[somber axle]

I would do Deadshot but I am a stamina curio fiend

[radiant chasm]

you don't do deadshot with agri brauto

like

even with stam

[somber axle]

Why? Is it bad with crit

[radiant chasm]

it's "brace" is terrible for most situations

it doesn't ads it braces

[somber axle]

Ah ok I don't know the Brautos

[radiant chasm]

which turns the recoil into a more horizontal pattern

[somber axle]

That looks fine and you have 1 point left over for either of the nade regen

You get the stam regen too

[radiant chasm]

i picked demo team over every 60 seconds

just cause i only play in auric

[somber axle]

I'm surprised you chose faster revive vs extra reserve grenade when running krak

[flat pebble]

brautos don’t really have good finesse so it’s optional

[radiant chasm]

i don't find i need the extra if i'm getting enough kills

[somber axle]

I do too. Demo Team is amazing for how crazy elite/special spam gets in Aurics

[radiant chasm]

yee, i know suppression can annoy brautos at mid/long range especially if you need to tapfire a sniper or bomber

[somber axle]

That's fair

[radiant chasm]

and uhh, been using stealth a bit and been having fun with it

[somber axle]

Stealth is so so fun. Love Low Profile too

You can LARP as the Gunner that the quickplay squad never looks at

Maybe I should try this build with a Recon...

No Onslaught but that's OK because Kraks are there for anti-Crusher

And I can bring a solid melee option to use as a can opener

Swap Precision Strikes into Deadshot, take the point off Stam regen delay to put into Rending Strikes...

Stealth Recon

[drowsy aspen]

Corrrrr

look at her

I have another that might be better, one day

but for now

COR

[rapid palm]

swap infested for maniac and thats a godroll

flak rather

change infested to flak

[drowsy aspen]

yusss yusss

If I want a braced Autogun, what blessings should I be going for

[celest rock]

Dude its GREAT

[drowsy aspen]

I'm gonna be going with the fucking uhhhhhh

new weapons for a sec

but after I'm finished with them, I want good autoguns

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/a12-guns-miss-gif-10558976

[rapid palm]

Brautos arent the best, like they are okay but not super high tier, you want an autogun thats kicks ass, get a collumnus V infantry autogun

[celest rock]

Im running it with the hacker shotty and being and to pop into the backline with a dozen gunners is hilarious

[flat pebble]

i mean yeah Columbus IAG is busted

news at 11

[celest rock]

Note: the new shotty with full bore will one shot maulers with the double shot in the chest

[radiant chasm]

i'm larping as a loyalist stalker, gunning down enemies when they least expect it

[flat pebble]

Deathspitter fire frenzy

[radiant chasm]

brautos are like the mk12 inflas

[celest rock]

Makes their shoulders touch

[rapid palm]

nah MG12 is stronger than braced

[radiant chasm]

past their prime but they are still going strong 😔

[radiant chasm]

ouch

[celest rock]

The sound design on them is just tops tho

[drowsy aspen]

Mine is kinda eh but it's got like a 60% stability

[radiant chasm]

feats and rambo brauto vet wasn't so long ago was it

[somber axle]

Extra funny being dropped into a match in progress into a firefight and feeling like a random Stalker who went "wait we're the baddies?? No no, not ME" and opened fire on the dregs/scabs

[frank basin]

I play graia braced auto

A lot

[celest rock]

Agri is the slow firing one, right?

[flat pebble]

yes

[frank basin]

[flat pebble]

It’s the AK one

[radiant chasm]

agri is the one that cleaves

[celest rock]

That's the one I've got

[frank basin]

Rpk one

[flat pebble]

agri brauto rocks

[rapid palm]

I never said it was bad, its just not super high tier which it seems like was what @drowsy aspen is asking for

[radiant chasm]

how do i know this, with FS+DS i can reliably onemag a reaper through an entire horde

[frank basin]

Yeah ammo just short but that’s rpk stuff

[celest rock]

It has terrifying barrage. Which has a CRAZY long range on it for some reason

[flat pebble]

chews through ammo like a mother fucker but deals with maniacs and flake elites like nobody’s business

[radiant chasm]

TB isn't needed when you can BOOST that damage with FS+DS

[celest rock]

Like, TB is shit on a lot of other weapons

[celest rock]

I only ever run that gun in non auric lol. It's fun. But it isn't my go to

[flat pebble]

TB is shit because it doesn’t work against like half the enemies in the game

[rapid palm]

in 90% of situations, killing the enemy faster trumps everything

[celest rock]

I have other guns when i feel like getting sweaty

[somber axle]

Fire Frenzy + Deathspitter on a Braced Autogun sounds funny

[frank basin]

My graia has Speed loader and maybe deathspitter/fire frenzy?

[flat pebble]

it’s very funny in the graia braced bc it gets increased fire rate

[flat pebble]

plus chastise on zealot gives you further increased fire rate

actual bullet hose

[frank basin]

With celerity stim, i toast.

[rapid palm]

sigh... RIP chastize ranged zealot

[radiant chasm]

if it had dum dum it would be game over

[frank basin]

It is making too good?

[lime sedge]

does the veteran ammo aura stack?

[flat pebble]

dumdum on the brautos would be insane

[frank basin]

Nope

[radiant chasm]

dum dum is one of the best blessings for automatics

and brautosc an't get it

[lime sedge]

ty

[frank basin]

Already knew it

[rapid palm]

even for automatics firing at longer ranges?

[radiant chasm]

i mean we still get the attack speed, and we have anoint in blood

[radiant chasm]

because of how generous close range is yes

and that most maps are fairly close

[frank basin]

Most time we engage melee range

[lucid ginkgo]

And how is it?

[fresh mango]

always prepared with double barrel is kinda silly

[frank basin]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[rapid palm]

thats the node on weapon specialist that reloads a percentage of your mag correct? yeah that shit with the double barrel is stupid

[radiant chasm]

6% damage on repeated hits * 5

[lucid ginkgo]

I mean on which range

[frank basin]

30% dmg total

[radiant chasm]

makes it amazing for monstros

15m

[fresh mango]

combine it with agile engagement

[frank basin]

Wait I thought close range is 7m

[fresh mango]

its kinda crazy

[celest rock]

Correct

[radiant chasm]

for dum dum it's 15m, for ds and fs it's 7/8m or at least that is what google tells me

[celest rock]

Kill one trash mob, get a shell back

[frank basin]

That’s bullshit

[lucid ginkgo]

Damn, 15?

[fresh mango]

cause you can just melee-switch shoot-get mele kill-switch shoot-melee-shoot

[radiant chasm]

tbf both fs and ds are buffs

[keen sedge]

psyker here, what should i switch out for both barrels

[radiant chasm]

dum dum isn't a buff, it doesn't transfer or stay with you

[rapid palm]

question is if dumdum is better than infernus on the recon, cuz with the buff to the MKII its actuly usable

[radiant chasm]

both ds and ff last for 3.5seconds

[frank basin]

Yet I find 7m on ff and ds very close

[fresh mango]

sprint into maniac, full bore into...

[rapid palm]

and infernus got nerfed

[celest rock]

Depends. Do you need it to mulch mobs or do you wanna one shot maulers?

[frank basin]

Only down to 9 stack than 10

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent Got a video that just

[keen sedge]

scriers is gonna take care of hordes well enough

[rapid palm]

thats a fiarly big nerf due to how burn damage scales

[faint beacon]

explains Always prepared with DB

[celest rock]

Keep full bore

[fresh mango]

this is the shotgun ive been messing around with recently, just for kicks

and it still hits crazy hard

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9q7IyVfgUvpR4_N7/d13374gpb0oo?invite=cr-MSxkQkcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

[flat pebble]

at short range dumdum is better at long range infernus is better

just consider your most frequent engagement ranges

[umbral scaffold]

Ah, so it's not just me with the aim bug

[celest rock]

@keen sedge full bore also let's you chew up monstrosities

[rapid palm]

full bore is a god tier blessing on basicly everything aside from the kickback

[umbral scaffold]

Granted I might as well restart the game unmodded just to be sure

[keen sedge]

aight so switching out scatter for both barrels?

[umbral scaffold]

Since the first time the performance always shits the bed

[tall torrent]

it's nice

[celest rock]

Wasnt sold on it on the doom shotty at first. I was wrong

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9qf0skCxSWKVSd5S/d1337hqzcbvb?invite=cr-MSxLOTcsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Also this lmao

[frank basin]

Would like like if the knife mk6 knife have brutal momentum?

[faint beacon]

It would be overpowered as fuck if it did

[frank basin]

Indeed

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9qqmpwWGxEXus272/d1337M3kDZeH?invite=cr-MSxoa2csMTA3NDAxNTczLA

Also this path

[frank basin]

He shot over edge of the object not through wall

I see small gap goes over the object

Rare shot

[elder dawn]

is this bricked lol

69 penetration 😎

[frank basin]

[thorn lark]

perfection

[pallid jetty]

i wonder if thrust gives +20% or +60% at the bigger attack charge time

i quite dont get it

[faint beacon]

@tall torrent DT is deciding to fight me one moment

[thorn lark]

thrust gives 3*20% power at max stacks on tier 4

[tall torrent]

dw

[bitter turtle]

Don't infernus on non 6d

On 7 and probably 2 dumdum is just straight up better

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon got disconnected

[abstract moth]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-noconnection-where-pulpfiction-johntravolta-gif-4790030

[tropic imp]

It's the best 2 blessings, so just run both

[last parcel]

are you not running headhunter

[tropic imp]

Headhunter is never better than a +5% crit chance and you dont NEED ammo efficiency that badly now

Very overrated blessing imo

Bad finesse damage on recons too

[winter grove]

Perfect

Just change the perks

[faint beacon]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/i9r5xWZfPjdUVbuiQ/d13373UPhSsb?invite=cr-MSw1ekYsMTA3NDAxNTczLA

@tall torrent

[cold shell]

I built a doom guy supershotgun/chainsword list and I gotta say, it's really fun. And you absolutely can chain your executioner stance as long as you've got gunners and elites to go after.

[amber cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053823148048527440/1179774381728215040/0AC85E7F-1A87-475D-BF08-6AFFB9E74CA5.mp4?ex=667e1043&is=667cbec3&hm=e8044d6e9d1a8502245b5316d9a5bc2672f7c99f5481bb5ef2697c03fabe6e20&

[faint beacon]

god I love rolling nothing but bricks

[flat crypt]

Nice 👍 i did a similar doom guy build too but didn't have the time to test it outside meat grinder.

[tall torrent]

I suggets u just farm blessing instead of chasing godrolls now

cuz when itemization update rolls ur blessing collection contributes towards mastery headstart

[jaunty lake]

Best blessings on the bolt pistol aka best weapon in the game?

[cold shell]

I haven't went into meat grinder to confirm but I have a sneaking suspicion that deadshot and opening salvo work together when you fire both barrels on the SSG and that really increases the ranges and gets you over a lot of breakpoints.

[flat crypt]

cool 🤔

was short on plasteel so i only got one ok shotty to play around and it has fullbore and terrifying barrage 😅 but it still seemed to work well enough

gonna run with smokes to mitigate the short range

[faint beacon]

Infiltrate + Smokes + Weapon Specialist with Always Prepared node

I kid you not, extremely enjoyable way to use the DB

Every time you swap to the DB you will always have 1 shell loaded in it

[cold shell]

yeah it seems to be one shotting maulers with the target on them. Target plus executioner is what I'm doing now.

[tall torrent]

it has very low finesse scaling, crits don't matter much

the problem with it is ranged dmg falloff

[cold shell]

ah so I want just flat damage all the time.

[tall torrent]

yea

[flat crypt]

yea the crits are only like 10% more dmg or something

[cold shell]

I mean I thought I was on to something with so much crit chance on dumping both barrels and then reloading as fast as possible to keep it coming.

But if that's the case I'll try tuning it for raw damage.

[flat crypt]

also weakspots don't bring much to the table

[cold shell]

both barrels seems to be a good way to go if you want to keep up executioner's stance

just sweep on something glowing and dump two shells to get to the next one, and the next one.

[flat crypt]

i got it to a point that it 1-shots gunners and dreg ragers with one shell but you really have to be in their face for that

so yeah, when in doubt, dump both barrels 😅

[cold shell]

it's wasteful, yes. But it's not like melee is a BAD fallback option.

ironically longshot might be an idea, unless the falloff is greater than the bonus from the talent.

[flat crypt]

need to go and run a little test right now x)

[somber axle]

The worst part about this is needing to make a low level Vet to spam buy Brunt's on for tier I and tier II blessings on the weapons I like most

Pretty much impossible otherwise

[elder dawn]

is it actually

[somber axle]

Headhunter is always better than 5% and you can literally see this happen by watching any of my Recon Psykanium test vids. If you only ever get 5% crit from Headhunter on a Recon you need to improve your tracking on heads. Infernus without Headhunter is even worse value. Infernus without Headhunter or Deadshot is just straight up nonsensical. You might as well use Punishing Salvo or Sustained Fire instead of Infernus if you ignore crit. And Infernus ONLY applies stacks on crit. Besides you shouldn't be using Infernus on the Mk II or Mk VIIa because their fire rate isn't good for stacking it quick enough to get benefit on anything other than bosses. The benefit of Headhunter is for a consistent way of forcing crits to keep better ammo efficiency through Shock Trooper. If you don't use Headhunter, Deadshot or Shock Trooper you're either relying heavily on melee or you're an Ammo goblin spamming "I need ammo" despite eating more tins, packs and crates than a Gunlugger Ogryn

Dum Dum and Headhunter are the best combo for Recon Mk II and Recon Mk VIIa for the best balance of ammo economy and DPS. If you double down on DPS by going Dum Dum + Infernus, Sustained Fire, Punishing Salvo, etc. (No Headhunter) sure you might have MARGINALLY higher DPS but you sacrifice consistency on crits and run through ammo faster too. If you want to play by ignoring crit/Shock Trooper like that just use an Infantry Autogun and stop pretending your Recon is working right

Only exception to all this advice is if you play Malice or Heresy. Do whatever you want there because builds don't really matter and you can run infested/poxwalkers on a Recon and still kill things without trouble

[sleek garden]

youre all dumb i run 1.5 stamina and 2 stamina on all my guns

this is objectively the best way to play

actually i should try that on a rapid fire gun for goofy deadshot shenanigans

[left crag]

anyone tested puncture + lethal proximity on bolt pistol? does the explosion do bleeding as well?

[frank ledge]

Steam users on their way to tell me to not test on aurics

[somber axle]

triple stam curio, +1 stam from talent tree node under confirmed kill AND +2 stam on weapon

get 18 stam

[sleek garden]

you could join my game with gray weapons i wouldnt care

its not really impacting my game if you get 18% less power on your melee after 4 swings

[desert isle]

fellas i havent played hte game in like half a year whats changed

[sleek garden]

new maps and guns and melee weapons

ragers have changed

[frank ledge]

Not much, new stuff and brauto nerf

[sleek garden]

the west fell

is this autogun nerf a big deal

its like 1 or 2 less bullets in a crit chain

[desert isle]

powersword still meta or nah

i heard about some nerfs about the cleave but idk how bad it is

[wraith flare]

Fuck being slow, daggers ftw

And rashad

Psword is for virgins

[somber axle]

New penance system, new cosmetics earnable through the penances. THE COSMETIC SETS FROM THE COVER ART/TITLE SCREEN ARE NOW EARNABLE IN GAME. New enemy type: Tox Bomber spawning thick green clouds that cause corruption damage and buff enemies (damage resistance, increased cleave, faster movement speed iirc). New map condition: tox gas (pustules all over maps that release clouds blanketing entire sections of the map that buff enemies and cause ticking damage to players). New weapons: Boltpistol, Double Barrel Shotgun, Shock Maul (all useable on Veteran, Zealot and Psyker) and Pickaxes (Ogryn only). New map and new story. New NPCs: Swagger and Hestia. Recon Lasguns were buffed and are now solid weapons. Titles are now a thing in games. New frames/portraits

[desert isle]

WALLAHI

[somber axle]

I might be missing something

[desert isle]

ty bro

[wraith flare]

Cat did u make ur build smarter with the exe and suppression immunity thing

[desert isle]

hows the meta lookin nowadays is psyker still dogshit

[somber axle]

Welcomes! There's probably other stuff but there's a LOT of new stuff to play now if you've been gone 6+ months

[wraith flare]

Psyker is very strong

[desert isle]

???

they replace the devs or what?

[wraith flare]

Gun psyker is wild

Squishy but wildly powerful

Or well it’s not terribly squishy since ur immune to ranged fire

[desert isle]

jus for reference i stopped playing a lil bit after the traitor curse dropped

[somber axle]

Gunker seems strong. Void Staff and Surge Staff Psykers also seem pretty solid (I think meta currently favours Void Staff more). Purgatus Psyker is still very effective for horde control. Smitekers are still spamming smite in corners and somehow still getting slapped to death by the single poxwalker that snuck up behind them

[desert isle]

so all the shit im spewing is from about that time period

[wraith flare]

Void staff is strong but annoying to use, surge is aight but sometimes feels kinda ass idk why, trauma is pretty cool too

[somber axle]

I always forget about Trauma staff

but yeah it's also good

[desert isle]

ive got fully decked out psyker and vet slots which is why im askin

[desert isle]

trauma feels so shitty to aim

ion know if thats just me

[wraith flare]

I do prefer my vet overall

[somber axle]

It's awkward to aim, yeah LOL

[thick kestrel]

yeah, mass soulfire trauma staff is a big one atm, very entertaining

[somber axle]

I'm not a Psyker main

I only got Psyker to 30 and unlocked all class penances

[wraith flare]

I feel like vet has more leeway in the builds than psyker

[desert isle]

soulfire but not purgatus???

[somber axle]

I don't have the hours in the class to really talk about it much

[wraith flare]

I honestly don’t feel the fire from trauma almost at all

[thick kestrel]

yep, the trauma staff can ignite on crits with a specific blessing

[wraith flare]

It just feels like ass honestly

[desert isle]

REAL

[somber axle]

Vet and Psyker are both in very good states as far as meta goes though

[thick kestrel]

and the trick is that everything even slightly touched by the AOE gets set on fire

[somber axle]

Current Vet meta favours Plasma, Columnus Infantry Autogun and Zarona Revolver

[thick kestrel]

which can be a HUGE area

[desert isle]

plasma my beloved

[somber axle]

Current Vet meta also favours Voice of Command heavily

Infiltrate is also strong too though

Exe Stance is generally not used much but I find it fun

[thick kestrel]

as far as I understand it Fire-Trauma is actually the current top rated loadout for it

[wraith flare]

But it won’t kill them and if u hit them they die

[desert isle]

i think i was running an exe stance plasma build

[thick kestrel]

aye, but the soul-fire spreads and propigates

[desert isle]

nigh infinite uptime

[thick kestrel]

it's a weirdone, but ask about it down in psyker chat and they'll sing it's praises. what I've used of it I can see why

[desert isle]

is soul fire damage high enough for that to be viable?

[wraith flare]

I’ve tried it quite a few times and I just feel like it doesn’t crit enough to be worth it

[somber axle]

There's a funny build Numbers Cat made (author of the Veteran guide in this channel's pins who is also writing a 2.0 guide) that uses Plasma for easy 1HKOs on elites/specials

[wraith flare]

They’re lambs and anyone disagreeing gets shit on regardless of wrong or right

[desert isle]

thats what i was thinking yeah

[somber axle]

If you get the chance to see numbers cat poke them for their Plasma talent tree and give it a go

[thick kestrel]

kind of, it's basically because you set EVERYTHING on fire, all at once... and it keeps going ^^

[somber axle]

Or poke Mr. Craime if you see him

[wraith flare]

Yeah they burn but u get “worthless” dmg

[somber axle]

They're both very good plasma users and very skilled/knowledgeable Vets in this discord

[desert isle]

i have no idea who any of those guy 🗣️

ill ask if i see em

[desert isle]

thanks bro

[somber axle]

THERE HE IS

Numbers Cat is here

[desert isle]

yo we fuckin summoned him

[thick kestrel]

again, would recommend checking with the psyker chat guys, they understand it a bit better than me ^^

so, important question

[somber axle]

Numbers Cat always knows when he is needed and goes where is needed

[desert isle]

yeah thats basically the exact setup i have

[thick kestrel]

I've been away until this morning

[desert isle]

hasnt changed at all since 6 months ago

[thick kestrel]

how do we feel about the BOOMSTICK? :>

[tall torrent]

fun meme gun

[thick kestrel]

it certainly looks satisfying at the very least

[desert isle]

ion even know what you're talkin about bro 😭

[somber axle]

Double Barrel Shotgun! New weapon 😄

[thick kestrel]

and I'm sure there's some gun-fu nonsense you can pull with combat specialist?

[desert isle]

oh nice

[somber axle]

Get ready for DOOM SLAYER MEMES

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-guy-shotgun-gif-27413588

[desert isle]

i imagine infiltrate would work nicely for some burst damage

idk the numbers though

[thick kestrel]

get those bonus crit stats, switch for the double barrel shot, which back to melee etc

[somber axle]

The Double Barrel Shotgun has very strong damage but also has significant damage falloff at long range

So Infiltrate is a very good tool to get into range to use it effectively

[tall torrent]

it has very low finesse scaling

[thick kestrel]

ah, fair

[tall torrent]

crits don't matter too much for it

[desert isle]

whats the meta lookin like for the classes rn?

[last parcel]

damn th ere goes my marksman focus double barrel idea 😔

[desert isle]

back in my day vet psword was basically the uncontested best but idk if its more balanced now

[thick kestrel]

still... seems like a good way to get melee specialist up without too much effort (and a heretic shattering kaboom :>)

[tall torrent]

also for boltpistol if ur wondering abt breakpoints
u need smth like 76%+ in damage, then maniac + elite

[thick kestrel]

noted!

[tall torrent]

elite gives u dreg gunner 1hs (this is dependent on the dmg roll)

maniac gives u both flamer 1hs

[tropic imp]

Headhunter averages an impact of 5% crit.

Before getting your first headshot, it gives you 0% crit, after the first impact, it gives you 5%, after the third it gives you 10%, after the fourth it's irrelevant because with reciprocity you'll be critting on average 1 every 4 shots and the crit chance will reset.

This gives you an average of 5% consistent crit chance assuming you only hit headshots

[tall torrent]

blessings I think surgical + DA is good pick, although the fixed point blank sorta works better if u play WS or melee centric builds

[somber axle]

I have no idea what Zealots or Ogryns are doing. Ability CD reduction was apparently nerfed for Zealots but I don't check their chat channel and have only heard about it indirectly from Vets here. No idea what else is going on for Zealots. I have 0 clue what Ogryns are up to these days. All the classes have very strong and viable builds/loadouts though. Azrael said Vet is probably THE strongest solo class in the game and also said that Vet has the strongest boss damage. He's probably the best Darktide player who frequents this discord so take that info as you like

[desert isle]

bet

[tall torrent]

execution is weird (?)
It doesn't boost breakpoints by much, but it's sorta like a consistency boost vs ragers

[tropic imp]

Infernus without crit chance also does more damage than salvo blessings, even if the main reason you take it is bosses

[tall torrent]

I think running guns that deal with both ragers well is pretty important this patch

[desert isle]

i like the game dont get me wrong but i dont have the patience to max out and get good gear for another class so im jus here prayin that vet and psyker arent dogshit 😭

[tall torrent]

1v3 dreg rager is fucking insane now

[somber axle]

Do you want to watch my Recon clips? You can watch my buff bar and check Headhunter stacks, watch them go and look at the funny numbers zooming by to check the colours for crits. Then you can compare that to how many crits you do without Headhunter

[tall torrent]

not sure why they thought buffing dreg rager atk speed was a good idea

[desert isle]

i heard there was some issues with the spawning AI where there would be like 10 ragers that spawn in randomly

that still a thing?

[tall torrent]

occasionally

[last parcel]

wait i think they changed it nvm i cant read lol