veteran-class

[fair river]

Bro

😭

[somber axle]

Oh and also the other cool things like removing locks and further weapon progression

[tall torrent]

All locks removed, can boost weapon stats with crafting in the new system

[somber axle]

BUT LIKE NEW WEAPON COSMETICS

[tall torrent]

We’re so fking back

[torn gorge]

so whats the new goal?

even if you have a poorly rolled weapon you can still max it with enough time investment?

[somber axle]

Diamantine will begin to be the resource we hunt for

Plasteel will be a thing of the Pasteel

[jaunty fiber]

This system will merge all weapon types/families, meaning players will be able to freely switch between different marks of the same weapon type.

That's w i l d

[tall torrent]

Read the post

[faint beacon]

That’s actually fucking wild

[somber axle]

Plasteel stays but Diamantine importance grows

[faint beacon]

Telling me I get a god roll MKXI and just set it to semi when I feel like it

[untold moth]

What a reversal on their initial plan of cluttering the game with different marks and pretending that was variety

[jaunty fiber]

Hey I'll fuckin' take it

[faint beacon]

I have an abundance of Diamantine

Didn’t they say they’re not resetting it

When it drops

[somber axle]

I have 12k Plasteel and 0 Diamantine

[jaunty fiber]

It is variety. It's just not fun variety when you have so little control over what mark you get with a good roll

[faint beacon]

0 Plasteel, 25k Diamantine lmao

[jaunty fiber]

Hell, they can still add to that pool now but it actually means it's a fun toy to play with instead of diluiting the pool

[faint beacon]

That and if you feel silly (using the objectively worse mark) you can literally just change it whenever you feel like it

[untold moth]

Took them long enough, and it’s not even out yet, still

[faint beacon]

We’re so back Darktide bros

[somber axle]

Says after Summer

This is going to be really funny for changing different weapon rolls to different marks

[untold moth]

This is like the New Year’s resolutioners getting excited about their gym membership. Wait until it launches, if it even does

[somber axle]

Idk the recent updates have been pretty good

[untold moth]

The only real change of substance is that blessings won’t be rng gated

[somber axle]

Path of Redemption and Secrets of the Machine God both were amazing additions to the game

[faint beacon]

Look I’m so fucking tired of dumping 1 mil Ordos into nothing but bricks

I’ll take anything

[jaunty fiber]

This makes me wonder what the system that WOULD have come with this patch even would have been if not this.

[somber axle]

I think it's probably normal to be excited for Darktide updates

[fair river]

I wish the new mission awarded a large amount of plasteel smh

[somber axle]

Less cynicism/pessimism because any critique of "but where new X??" has already been smashed by handing you the new X

[dim citrus]

This decent?

[somber axle]

New enemy type
New map type
New map
Revamped old maps
New weapons
New penance system
New cosmetics

Is there something they missed

[dim citrus]

Me and my friend are excited for updates because we don't play the game a ton and accept it's going to be a long road

[torn gorge]

im confused, the stat increase is linear and evenly distributed until the cap since you cant target a particular stat to grow, so what happens with extreme stats distribution situations?

[faint beacon]

Honestly it might work though you’d want High Voltage instead of Falter

[dim citrus]

Solo mode

Actually good bots and bot customisation

[faint beacon]

They’re taking questions definitely toss that to the devs

[somber axle]

It's nice to see how much the game has grown/improved tbh. It feels like a totally different game now compared to where it was on launch/beta days

[faint beacon]

Never got the chance to play before the Class Tree reworks cause I had a shitty laptop

[somber axle]

Bot customization?? That's wild I didn't even know anyone had requested that LOL

[faint beacon]

But even from there to now

It’s noticeably different

[midnight totem]

I mean, I'd love bot customization

[jaunty fiber]

This sentiment only has weight when people aren't screaming like fatshark kicked their dog

[midnight totem]

I just don't think it'd ever happen

[jaunty fiber]

Gamers have no patience

[dim citrus]

Vermintide

[somber axle]

Me too I'd design all my characters and have my full roster by my side

[dim citrus]

It's not a new concept
Vermintide 2 bots are much better than Darktide

[flat pebble]

people have been since launch

[somber axle]

Clarisse the Zealot, Reth the Ogryn and Seffie the Psyker are all coming out of my character list to join me as bots

[dim citrus]

It'd be fun to have my other characters be bots

[faint beacon]

Could’ve been cool if it randomly picked rejects from players pools to back you up

Byeah my Ogryn backing me up lmao

[flat pebble]

warhammer 40k: dragons dogma: darktide

[midnight totem]

Instead of customization though, I'd probably make two archetypes of bots for every class

[tall torrent]

TLDR:
Itemization update

New progression system: Mastery

• Playtime with a weapon type = XP for that weapon = unlocks perks, blessings, variants of that weapon type & a special weapon cosmetic
• Mastery progression increases potential quality & stats of the weapon
• All variants in a weapon type are merged, meaning shared progression between weapons of the same type
• ex: once u own an infantry Lasgun, you can unlock all variants of infantry Lasguns and switch between these variants
• Viewing weapons show that weapon’s max potential stats (randomly determined). It’s up to the player to decide if they want to commit & invest into the weapon, or get another of the same variant.

New crafting system: Expertise

• Players can freely modify blessings (2) and perks (2) without restriction.
• Players can increase stats towards the max potential that’s displayed
• Diamantine is used for higher levels of expertise on a weapon

Existing inventory
Current blessing library of any weapon type is converted into that weapon type’s mastery progression (headstart in the new system)

Curios
Curio will have their locks removed for customization on all 3 slots

Ur welcome

[untold moth]

Sincerely, the entire mastery system sounds asinine. Arbitrary grind added to comfortably using any new weapon on auric.

“this weapon won’t suck when it has blessings and 25% damage to key targets”

[somber axle]

Don't let them clone me into other games the bots will use something like CIAG/VoC and I will be upset at someone taking off my clown costume to put me in normal clothes

[tall torrent]

It’s still far better than the current system

[untold moth]

“Oh boy, new weapon released. can’t wait to use a 150 stat roll”

[faint beacon]

Oh no I was thinking seeing it remembers what build you were using previously it puts the bot in with that build

[midnight totem]

Two vet bots to pick from, one with survivalist aura and executioner stance. With a ai focused more on ranged combat

[faint beacon]

Fucking Shroudfield Knife Zealot bot lmao

[midnight totem]

The other with fireteam and shout, more focused on melee and support

[somber axle]

That last part is already how Rashad Mk II Combat Axe exists in current meta as one of the strongest melee options for Vet dude. Stats/perks/blessings already matter a LOT LMFAO

[untold moth]

Remove locks, and put the blessings in a shop. Then players can focus on the part of the game that actually matters, the gameplay.

[tall torrent]

Using gameplay to acquire resources to progress towards weapon unlocks is fine

[somber axle]

I would accept this. Send my clown clones into the world

[faint beacon]

Look I’m saying it doesn’t matter if all weapons are strong if you grinded out the tools to make them strong

[midnight totem]

Bubble psyker bot throws up shield if detecting lots of gunners shooting

[untold moth]

Grind in games just gatekeeps the enjoyable parts of the game behind wasting time.

[faint beacon]

That’s why I’m fine with this more play the game to make your gun better approach

[faint beacon]

Smoke Veteran bots

[somber axle]

Clown bot breakdances if detecting lots of gunners

[midnight totem]

Less grind please

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-it-back-private-sir-yes-sir-oorah-throw-it-back-meme-military-gif-17820853544688835206

[midnight totem]

This mastery shit reminds me of weaves in vt

[jaunty fiber]

You'll take what you get. They have retention to think about

[untold moth]

“What a wonderful sense of progression, spending 10-30 hours to MASTER a weapon. Now I can go back to auric damnation”

[midnight totem]

Weaves nearly killed VT the first time it came out

[faint beacon]

I doubt it’ll be that long

[untold moth]

This system is even worse than weaves tbh

[somber axle]

You can go to Aurics regardless if you learn to stop caring about numbers

[tall torrent]

Existing blessing library converts into mastery progression

[tawny badger]

I'm concerned that the bots wouldn't know how to act with some of these builds
especially anything to do with shroudfield/infiltrate

[jaunty fiber]

I doubt it'll not have a baseline based on level of your character either

[faint beacon]

True lmao

[jaunty fiber]

But that remains to be seen

[faint beacon]

Activates Shroudfield and kills a poxwalker

[tawny badger]

gamers not caring about numbers? yeah right lmao

[untold moth]

Go take a random 300 roll grey from brunt’s into auric, then show me the scoreboard after a win

[tawny badger]

poxwalkers are monstrosity level threats

[faint beacon]

You become blissfully happy when you realize a good chunk of being alive is game sense and movement instead of numbers

Reminder it’s possible to do Auric with Profanes!

[jaunty fiber]

God forbid you not suck

[somber axle]

The people I saw in quickplay last night didn't care about what their weapons looked like or how long they spent on their knees so like yeah. Be kinda like them but not entirely like them. They don't care about numbers, they just want to play. But wow the creatures at 2 am in quickplay require heavy lifting LOL

[midnight totem]

Time for the ultimate clown team

[somber axle]

I did. It's my 0% damage Helbore Mk II. I call her my little flashlight with a knife duct taped to it

[midnight totem]

4 vets with profane power swords

[somber axle]

Wanna see it?!

[faint beacon]

Okay it’s not me, 2AM is the cursed time where everyone just doesn’t do too well

[untold moth]

You know, more power to ya. That helbore sounds hilarious.

[untold moth]

Legitimately jealous, that thing is a flex and a half

[faint beacon]

Worlds strongest helbore

[jaunty fiber]

Like why would you NOT keep that and cherish it

[faint beacon]

Look I got a 0% ammo heavy Stubber

I regret selling it

[tall torrent]

Seems like the system they’re going with is gating different tiers of blessings/perks based on mastery progression, and u can pick which blessing to get first with mastery points

Not that bad

[tiny summit]

I need to farm a 0% warp resist staff

[somber axle]

I remember seeing people say the new map is hard but yesterday morning I did 2 runs and the groups were amazing so they felt pretty easy. Meanwhile 2 am creatures I run into after work are dying the instant they drop down into the start of the level with the first enemies disappointing Swagger like they're trying to disappoint the dad that left for milk

[untold moth]

But it’s going to be annoying that you can’t just upgrade a new weapon to full with the new system. Depending on how long the grind takes, it will end up being pretty annoying..

Even with the locks I can go right now and make a new bolt pistol, get 25% flak and 25% maniac on it, 360+ roll, it’ll do enough

[tall torrent]

You don’t have to get to like, mastery 15 to unlock BM for combat axe, u can access BM as soon as u have mastery points, but it’ll take some grind if u want like, BM tier 4

[untold moth]

With the new system, you’re likely looking at 5-20 hours to do the equivalent

[tall torrent]

I’d assume so

But they mentioned 4 things being related to mastery

[faint beacon]

I genuinely thought the map was hard for a bit then I pinpointed the reason, it’s very open, minimal cover

[tall torrent]

Cosmetic is def last

The main progression is mastery points sprinkled within

[tiny summit]

Maybe diamantine can be used as an additonal boost to levels

[tall torrent]

It is used for higher levels of expertise

[jaunty fiber]

That'd undermind the headstart system

[last parcel]

diamanteez nuts

[tiny summit]

Feel bad for any new darktide players that will have to use helbores at their shittest

[midnight totem]

The first section is tight and people need to stay away from the damn barrels!

[untold moth]

You know a decent change that you know they won’t do? Making xp on curios increase mastery gain

[faint beacon]

AT THEIR STRONGEST THANK YOU

[somber axle]

It's so open an Ogryn fell off the map at the drop near the start of the level right after you pass Swagger for the first time. We need to install OSHA approved guard rails on that platform or something

He didn't even get hit by a barrel

He just FELL

[midnight totem]

Osha and 40k does not mix

[tall torrent]

Headstart gives u mastery XP so u start with points to spec into blessings

[tiny summit]

I dont think you should ever have to use a weapon at its shittest just to make it decent in a game like this.

[faint beacon]

Plogyrn wiped my entire team on the second drop down onto the side scaffolding, I managed to get revenge via VOCing it off the ledge lmao

[somber axle]

Nice

[jaunty fiber]

Yes, and sinking the resource into it that we all have stacked up in the thousands would completely ruin the point of us not just being fully grandfathered in

[midnight totem]

I've played 6 games on the new map so far, won 3

[jaunty fiber]

I think we should ALL have to use the weapons at their shittiest so that they can balance that shittiness out

[untold moth]

For majority of people that are used to playing auric,playing lower difficulty is boring

[midnight totem]

I think 5 of those games we lost at least one on the opening section

Usually two

[jaunty fiber]

But it's also not going to be nearly as bad as you clowns think because plenty of people are not trying to wring themselves out in auric maelstroms every day

There is a lot more game outside of that senseless shitstrom

[gilded wraith]

Any idea if it only values tier 4s, or if it would be beneficial to unlock all blessing tiers?

[tawny badger]

that reminds me of when I was hardstuck in malice for a while

[jaunty fiber]

That only happens cuz heresy is cursed

[faint beacon]

I do Maelstrom from time to time, my casual usually is just stock Auric Damn

Normal Damnation if I’m grinding mats

[tiny summit]

People want good thing. I would rather use any other weapon than a combat axe w/o BM

[jaunty fiber]

You have to be able to skip heresy entirely to keep going.

[midnight totem]

Aye, auric qp is my stock

[untold moth]

This system is somehow more convoluted and worse than what they came up with for weaves.

The only reason it’s being received well is because the current system is legitimately so damn terrible

[jaunty fiber]

Holy shit

[somber axle]

Same

[jaunty fiber]

This is not even very new and inventive and it's convoluted to you?

[tawny badger]

"the only reason it's being recieved well is because it's better than the current system"

I mean yeah that's how improvement works

[somber axle]

Fav modifier is Lights Out High Intensity Sniper Gauntlet

[jaunty fiber]

Yeah this was a doomed endeavor. You guys aren't actually ever going to be happy, you just want a lego set and nothing else

[tall torrent]

Most are happy with it

[tiny summit]

Convoluted? It now give an actual track of progress for your weapons. They are probably noting down all the replies in that forum too to tweak.

[jaunty fiber]

Could have fooled me

[untold moth]

It’s convoluted because they are introducing two completely new systems to something that is a pit-stop on the path towards actually playing the game.

[midnight totem]

I'm not unhappy. I'm wary.

[faint beacon]

Can they please for the love of god give the sniper spawn queue to them in general it’s so fucking good and there’s so many people that don’t know it exists, literally see sniper gauntlet and get excited lmao

[tall torrent]

Seems like u can boost every stat to 70+ on weapons with expertise

[jaunty fiber]

OR. The game is all the game, and you're playing it the whole time.

[somber axle]

Dude I just genuinely want them to sell me an actual clown costume at Hallowette's to pair with my Ring Master title so everyone can see me and know the circus has come to town

My standards are low

[jaunty fiber]

The top end of the game is not the whole game. Please pull your head out of your ass.

[tiny summit]

Wheres my 300 base to 380 grind. Bring my 0% dmg to 70%

[untold moth]

If a game expects me to grind to play the game the way it is enjoyable, then I just will find a game that respects my time better

[lilac eagle]

Bit late to the update, which classes can use which new weapons?

[tiny summit]

Blud is waffing

[last parcel]

let me nerf my own weapons

[midnight totem]

All, but pickaxe are ogryn only

[last parcel]

0 dmg 0 ammo

[gilded wraith]

Respecting player time will never be a Fatshark priority.

[somber axle]

IT'S SO FUN YEAH. I agree increase Sniper spawns for normal matches, then increase Sniper spawns for Sniper Gauntlet EVEN MORE

[lilac eagle]

I'm sorry I'm a little high, are you saying all the weapons are Ogryn weapons except the pick, or the reverse

[tall torrent]

Reverse

[midnight totem]

Reverse

[lilac eagle]

Neato

The double barrelled shotgun did not have to go that hard

[celest rock]

I'm very glad it did though

[faint beacon]

Look I like the idea that I hear the Vox Scrambling followed with lasers turning on to say “Hey idiot you got some sharpshooters coming”, like I seriously want to hear that spawn sound more

[lilac eagle]

Shame the new maul isn't an Ogyrn weapon

[jaunty fiber]

Iunno why the call it a maul

[tall torrent]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1049217901825110056/1255564447498637393/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.06.26_-_12.44.28.33.mp4?ex=667d9703&is=667c4583&hm=75763115a87cd3d33c9e6e4ae21357568ce35a2eb4816ff74815f26d8d0578a1&

[somber axle]

That sound is music to my ears

[jaunty fiber]

It's a mace. Mauls are what the hammers should be called. Though Hammer is a fine name for them too

[junior needle]

My mission aborted right at the end

I hate fatshark so much

[tall torrent]

The Itemization update is gonna be good

[peak stone]

awesome then the 4 other chargers right behind him scramble your bussy

[tall torrent]

Mutant takes 3x melee dmg

[junior needle]

Right at the end event, no error code or pop up, just a glitchy looking screen and then to the login menu

no option to reconnect

[untold moth]

They spend so much time and effort to come up with this garbage system, that isn’t even being delivered, we are looking at 4 months away, at the minimum.

But someone’s ego would be hurt if they just removed the locks.

The proposed systems compared the current ones with locks removed is a side grade at best. But a side grade that promises an arbitrary grind of 5-20 hours before you can get an equivalent to todays 360 roll and partial brick at <2000 plasteel

[peak stone]

ragers*

[untold moth]

Do you think you’d see as many people excited to use the pickaxe or double barrel if you had to use a garbage version of it for 5 hours first?

[tall torrent]

1v4 rager is ok rn since they made them dodgeable

[faint beacon]

They buffed their speed……

Like holy shit they’re scary now

You can dodge if you concentrate but my god they swing so damn fast now

[jaunty fiber]

Yes, because you still have to anyway in this current system

[jaunty fiber]

You just have a bloated resource pool to bypass the base item grind

[tall torrent]

They did?

[faint beacon]

Yes

Me and my friend noticed

[tall torrent]

When

[faint beacon]

This update

[somber axle]

Normal Ragers ARE moving pretty fast post update

[tall torrent]

Huh

[faint beacon]

Like they’re FAST

[somber axle]

Flak Ragers are the same speed

[faint beacon]

swinging speed

[tawny badger]

maybe I'm tripping but it feels like they got a bit more lunge on their combo

[faint beacon]

You get in their face unprepared now they’ll SHRED you

[last parcel]

time for the shredder autopistol

[jaunty fiber]

Again, you're assuming there's no baseline for higher level characters picking up new stuff just implemented. This is the kind of stuff that got the patch delayed

[faint beacon]

Groups of ragers are actually fucking scary

[somber axle]

They're actually kinda dangerous again. I love it

[faint beacon]

I’ve never had my stamina and health deplete so fucking quickly

[untold moth]

No. You don’t. You use resources you earned using other weapons and craft one.

[jaunty fiber]

With no blessing????

[untold moth]

New system says you can’t use another weapon to progress a different one

[toxic leaf]

is this worth going to gold on?

[faint beacon]

Absolutely

[last parcel]

[toxic leaf]

what blessings am i fishing for

[jaunty fiber]

You don't craft shitall on a new weapon that literally didnt exist in the game before. You take the two potentially trash one syou RNG roll onto the weapon and have at it. You have to keep farming that weapon to get a good one

[somber axle]

I had a Gunner destroy me from behind when I forgot I was using the funny Psykanium max damage test loadout I used for Crusher vs Recon Mk II and realised the rest of that match my body was going to be as fragile as glass LOL

[faint beacon]

Infernus or DumDum iirc

Sneaky uses recons the most ask her

[jaunty fiber]

This is the same experience but less RNG dependant.

[torn gorge]

dumdum over infernus

[toxic leaf]

@somber axle i need ur advices

[twilit breach]

is there a list of the new bolt pistol blessings?

[somber axle]

Headhunter and Dum Dum are what you want for blessings on the Mk II. Flak is a good roll to offset the change to Flak ADM so keep that. Second perk can be crit chance or Maniac if you want to shred Muties at even funnier speeds. Maniac perk isn't even necessary considering Maniac ADM got buffed with the update and Mk II damage was also buffed so crit chance is probably the better move if you use Shock Trooper

[toxic leaf]

my hero, thanks

ended up with this

[somber axle]

Infernus is good with the Recon Mk VId but is noticeably weaker on the Mk II and Mk VIIa so Dum Dum is a bigger DPS shift for them

[last parcel]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapons/bolt-pistol/godwyn-branx-pattern-bolt-pistol

[twilit breach]

ah it's updated already thank you

also that profile picture 👀

[somber axle]

I'd swap Sustained Fire to Dum Dum when you can. It's ok for short bursts but Dum Dum will be a lot more damage output at most ranges

Sustained Fire is really only better at >30m

And it is a very minor increase to DPS/TTK

[toxic leaf]

yea, it turns out i have very few recon blessings lol

so i gotta go fishing

[somber axle]

Could just upgrade a few Recons to blue

[faint beacon]

Up flak, and get Dumdum

[somber axle]

Cheap on plasteel

[toxic leaf]

yep

[faint beacon]

That or DumDum and up Headhunter to T4

[somber axle]

I'd probably do Sustained Fire to Dum Dum then change Headhunter to tier IV

The perks are solid

[faint beacon]

That’s what I was thinking

The perks are good

[untold moth]

For 2000 plasteel you can get a weapon that is probably time gated 5-10 hours of grind.
2 random blessings and 25% flak and 25% maniac..

Why are you so insistent that playing with a grey 100-300 stat roll should be a prerequisite to making a decent weapon.

[torn gorge]

are they removing current vendors?

[untold moth]

Why not just remove the rng from the current system. Why introduce two new systems that nobody asked for

[faint beacon]

I’m thinking of once I’m home probably making a Slaughter + Confident Strike Karsolas Pickaxe

[slow spade]

Because Fatshark DEMANDS suffering

[faint beacon]

Using it on a Melee focused Ogryn see how that goes

[twilit breach]

suffering builds character

[untold moth]

“We replaced your rng with grind”

[torn gorge]

Karsolas is v good

[jaunty fiber]

Because you're assuming that's what you have to do. There's details we don't know here and I don't think they're making anyone play with a low item power profane weapon for nearly as long as you think it'll be

[tiny summit]

Because progression systems kinda work for a lot of players

[slow spade]

Truth be told, I stopped playing DRG because I capped how strong my char could be

I still play Darktide

[jaunty fiber]

This is just indicative of my past point that a lot of people just wanted a weapon sandbox and not an actual progression system. and that's a valid want but it's not a reasonable one here

[faint beacon]

Played a few matches with a Profane and it was insane

[untold moth]

Weird. I look at the player charts on steam and it seems that most people seemed to not like the progression

[slow spade]

Yeah but I do which is the only vote that matters

[untold moth]

If you like this system, you should check out winds of magic. I bet you’d like weaves

[slow spade]

:D

[torn gorge]

[tall torrent]

@faint beacon so I went and checked what u were talking abt
Dreg rager has a faster recovery into his other combos faster, but the first 2 atks are the same speed

[bronze trout]

I guess the play now is to buy all the tier one and two blessings I've been ignoring at the trader

[willow siren]

The crafting update has more pros than cons imo

[untold moth]

Yes. It’s still not good.

[jaunty fiber]

Well it's the best you'll get

Feel free to move on

[willow siren]

I'm waiting to make that judgement till we know more

[slow spade]

Until I actually see it, its just "next week" news to me

[somber axle]

At least it isn't as bad as what Psykers are getting

[willow siren]

We don't know enough to say good or bad

[untold moth]

Hope you like waiting. 4 months at minimum.

[somber axle]

LOOK AT THIS

Tactical ball gag incoming

[jaunty fiber]

No we don't but god forbid the peanut gallery remember they're missing lots of context

[somber axle]

I'm going to wear this on my Vet too

[faint beacon]

Dude I’m either tweaking or something cause on Gloriana they were swinging at like twice the speed

Like I’m being dead serious

[slow spade]

Speed stim supremacy

[faint beacon]

Maybe it is the faster recovery

Unsure

[terse idol]

I really hope it adds a new voice modulator

Like a really fucked up one

[last parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/pyro-tf2-pyro-tf2-team-fortress-2-round-gif-11321345770008462888

[faint beacon]

The full mask Psyker helm gives a new voice

[somber axle]

Please help him

[faint beacon]

It might be that

[terse idol]

I'm kinda vibing it

[somber axle]

This man is suffering

[terse idol]

Not that I'd ever use it lmao

But I like it

[faint beacon]

For the drip Admech players rejoicing with a new item to use in their cosplays lmao

[flat pebble]

how does eat

[faint beacon]

He doesn’t

[last parcel]

when the burrito is too big but i'm too prideful to bite

[terse idol]

A straw

[somber axle]

IV drip

[terse idol]

The one kid who bit into a jaw breaker

[slow spade]

Psyker skins always feel meh to me

[last parcel]

nightlords sounding ass

[faint beacon]

We skin our humans around these parts sir

[somber axle]

This guy looked pretty cool

A shame it is client side only

[faint beacon]

True

[sullen scarab]

How's this roll look? Couldn't squish on high voltage but I think it looks ok

[faint beacon]

It’s acceptable seeing the Shaul alone is good against weaker enemies

[sullen scarab]

it had Thrust IV on it originally but I read that's a trap blessing lol

[slow spade]

Not 550, shit weapon

[faint beacon]

I have a joke one that’s with Hammerblow + Shocking Expression and it still horde clears really fucking easily lmao

[sullen scarab]

loool

is the combo for horde just heavy light heavy light?

[faint beacon]

Light - Heavy repeat

Or

[sullen scarab]

does it need any of the crit perks?

or nah

[faint beacon]

PA - Light - Heavy, repeat off light

[sullen scarab]

oooo

ok

[faint beacon]

Tbh no clue

It just hits really hard on weakpoints

[sullen scarab]

SMACK

it feels great to use

that's for sure

[faint beacon]

SA literally locks any big threat in place

It’s honest my new favorite melee

I know it’s not going to be better than the Rashad II I have but like, this thing is damn fun

[tiny summit]

Fatshark did it. They made a combat axe that doesnt feel like shit w/o BM

[serene bough]

is this a mod

[somber axle]

yes

[serene bough]

nice

mods for customization make me sad knowing it could have been much better than what we have now

[frank ledge]

Veterans

what is the highest possible damage?

how do we obtain it?

[gilded wraith]

is the crosshair fix mod still needed? or did fatshark's changes remove the need?

[tall torrent]

no need, just use assault crosshair

[flat pebble]

probably the meme braced revolver boss kill build

[gilded wraith]

Just select it under the interface options?

[tall torrent]

yes

[gilded wraith]

Thanks! One mod issue resolved.

[junior needle]

I'd still like to have the crosshair when aiming

Which means I need the mod

[austere pine]

veteran class

[serene bough]

got enough fireteam?

[serene bough]

per weapon or for scoreboard number inflation?

columnus IAG, zarona, and plasma are great

shredder frags will inflate damage numbers when chucking into hordes

[whole solstice]

holy dripchanicus bro

[flat pebble]

the shredder chad tho

[whole solstice]

does electricity count as stagger?

[flat pebble]

apparently yes but inconsistently

lacerate knife in zealot chat was trying to test it last night

wrt skullcrusher interaction

[gilded wraith]

do we know yet if the weapon progression will be character specific, or account based? Would I have to progress with tactical axe on each character, or just once on my account?

[shadow aurora]

Brought the bolt pistol for a run and it slaps with right keystone holy shit

The hipfire feels so good to use even though im not hitting anything

Now its time to wait 7 months for hellgun

[flat pebble]

i just want melta

[junior needle]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[tame lodge]

Don't worry, they removed Flamer rending tech, there's room for melta rn

[flat pebble]

don’t say that in zealot chat too loud it’ll start a localized gang war

[shadow aurora]

Thank god they removed the rending it was so stupid

[austere pine]

they removed what exactly?

the way fury interacted with flamer, allowiing it to change how armor works?

[flat pebble]

what, are zealots not allowed to have silly techs that don’t make sense conceptually or fit the class identity??

[flat pebble]

fury is now only and explicitly melee rending

[austere pine]

nice

[faint beacon]

I think it’s funny I never used that so like this doesn’t even effect me

[tame lodge]

That's the best part, it's rending now instead of armor downgrade

Good buff against unyielding and maniac

[shadow aurora]

I wonder if zealot will ever get a more ranged focused part of the tree

[austere pine]

middle part sort of is

[flat pebble]

middle tree has a couple ranged things

[faint beacon]

Middle is the closest you’ll get

[austere pine]

zealot isn't supposed to have a ranged build it feels like

[shadow aurora]

Yeah i know

[austere pine]

same with psyker and melee

[flat pebble]

it opened up build options but like it didn’t make sense so i get why they fixed that interaction

[shadow aurora]

Psyker melee is really strong wym?

[austere pine]

will never be as strong at everything as ranged psyker

[shadow aurora]

Well still melee psyker is a thing at least more so then ranged zealot

[last pewter]

tbh I hear Ranged Zealot and I imagine rapid fire rate

[austere pine]

wellllll technically

you could.... ranged zealot in melee range

[last pewter]

but Ogryn might have that covered

[austere pine]

zealot has more fire rate with braced autoguns and fury

[shadow aurora]

Spray and pray🙂

[tame lodge]

While the middle part has some ranged aspect, it was garbage

But now we have Double Barrel

Emperor's Bullet has a purpose now

[shadow aurora]

Emperors bullet was good with the old shotgun but it required you to keep yourself at 0 ammo constantly

[umbral scaffold]

which axe would be great for a sprinting build

[austere pine]

for a sprinting build..?

[umbral scaffold]

any of them have good movement speed while charging heavy attacks

[shadow aurora]

Tbh emperors bullet just shouldnt exist its way to build specific

[austere pine]

rashad

[topaz lance]

My personal verdict after a few games is that
Agri Shottie > Bolt Pistol for weapons specialist with exe stance.

[austere pine]

many things are situational. doesn't mean they shouldn't exist

[shadow aurora]

Emperors bullet requires you to use a specific weapon for it to not be shit

[austere pine]

always prepared requires you to use specific weapons to not be shit

[flat pebble]

im struggling to think of a more specific talent than emperors bullet tbh

[shadow aurora]

Guh whats that one again

[austere pine]

auto reload for WS

[shadow aurora]

That extends to way more weapons then e bullet lol

[austere pine]

add onto that the reload speed talent for WS

[tame lodge]

I might need to try DB zealot

Get crit keystone and Man stopper

Can probably skip Double Barrel because of Sainted Gunslinger

Hmmm

Anoint in Blood

Yadda yadda

[shadow aurora]

Double barrel seems to be made specifically for zealot. Turn darktide into doom

[echo pendant]

Judge shotgun revolver when? :>

[unique orchid]

big fan of playing Boltpistol with covering fire

that and the shout, coupled with commissar drip, goes hard

[austere pine]

pity i don't have commissar drip

i do have some sort of a captain drip on hand but that's long gone for a mordant acid-dogs drip

[unique orchid]

can still be an NCO

[austere pine]

i'd rather have a hive-ganger-turned-militarum-soldier-type beat

fucking love acid dogs

[unique orchid]

aye fair

[austere pine]

do i just suck or is the new map kinda enemy sided?

like, they seem to have better positions that we are afforded

[somber axle]

Yeah the enemy has better cover most times and you go from a very narrow hall into a wide open space sometimes

I kinda love it

The gunfights end up feeling more intense

[fading grove]

Double barrel goes really well with shout and weapon specialist

Also my beloved standard shovel

[dense ermine]

weapon specialist with Always prepared

[gilded rock]

How many stacks of Always Prepared(?) do you need to get one of the two shells?

[dense ermine]

just 1

[gilded rock]

GUH

Say sike

[dense ermine]

you get a shot per kill

[grand perch]

if only the reload on both barrels wouldnt be so janky

[dense ermine]

basically always a shot ready

[gilded rock]

I figured since it was based on percentage of missing magazine that it would take at least a few stacks

That sounds insanely fun

[fading grove]

I’m pretty sure double barrel aim down sights can one shot muties up close, at least what I’ve experienced on vet

[dense ermine]

it's rounds up to 1 full shot

[grand perch]

it rounds up to 1 with 1 stack

[gilded rock]

I'm glad that's the interaction it has, was hoping it would since they announced it

I'm guessing 5 or 6 stacks to get both shots or no?

[austere pine]

no fucking way really?

[dense ermine]

anyway man-stopper, run 'n' gun and scattershot are best blessing from what it seems

[dense ermine]

yes

[fading grove]

Also the power maul can infinitely stun crushers and shit from what I’ve seen

[austere pine]

no fucking way i don't believe you

[dense ermine]

I played it and got 1 shot reloaded per kill

so swapping gun after 1 kill to reload just to do it again to get it to full 2 shots

[gilded rock]

Oh so spamming it is actually more rewarding than getting to a higher amount of stacks for both

[dense ermine]

yeah

for reloads

[slow spade]

Weapon Specialists is comfy

[dense ermine]

basically reload speed is dead stat on it with Always Prepared

[gilded rock]

Weapon Specialist being the coolest vet keystone reason #862

[austere pine]

well yeah okay

[dense ermine]

also since you get only 2 shots not many blessing work on it well

[austere pine]

either you said it wrong or i misunderstood what you said

[slow spade]

They should buff Weapon Specialist

[austere pine]

you always get 1 shot for the DB

no matter the stacks

[dense ermine]

yes

[austere pine]

i thought you meant you get 1 back for 1 kill and 2 for 2+ kills

makes a whole lot more sense this way

[austere pine]

the way it works not the way i thought you meant it

yeah no i'm not arguing anything

because this is the way it works for revolver and whatnot

[dense ermine]

basically you can swap after 1 kill to get first shot and then swap after another to get second reloaded

[austere pine]

that's not as good as i think people want it to be

[dense ermine]

pretty useful

[austere pine]

because you're throwing away buffs that way

[dense ermine]

regardless if you do it this way or play normally you still have 1 shot ready at all times

[austere pine]

yeah i mean

i'd have played it like a revolver anyway but reloading more than 1 is not really that good

because your melee on vet is almost always gonna be more useful

especially if you're running psword or chainsword

[gilded rock]

I think it would be a great tech for clearing out patrols/bunched up elites

[fading grove]

What’s the bolt pistols role in the game? Really don’t know how to use it? Special hunting?

[austere pine]

better to get melee buffs than to get a 10 stack ranged

[dense ermine]

anyway there are only 3 or 4 good blessings on DB

[austere pine]

revolver with more bullets

and a bit less dmg

[gilded rock]

And kills things in multiple hits 💀

[fading grove]

Does bolter have revolver blessings?

[austere pine]

hence less dmg

[dense ermine]

also after the buff run 'n' gun is a viable pick on DB since it's 12% ranged damage while running

[austere pine]

they changed run n gun?

[dense ermine]

yes it has 12% dmg increase on shots while running

[austere pine]

also a shotgun will never take the place of an always prepared revolver build because it doesn't have crucian roulette

[dense ermine]

but for fun

[austere pine]

this is a combo the db will never have and it will forever be weaker

[dense ermine]

DB has the unorthodox blessings as the only viable ones

[fading grove]

Revolver is still pretty overtuned

[terse idol]

I just don't think it's that bad

Also cruccian and not surgical?

Tf

[austere pine]

always prepared build

[shadow aurora]

Surgical is for nerds

Unbind aim

[faint beacon]

Point blank being reworked into crits built from melee kills, bless the God Emperor

[austere pine]

shoot a fucker with an almost guaranteed crit on 1 bullet, go melee and kill some fuckers, shoot again with an always prepared-reloaded bullet that is almost a guaranteed crit

[terse idol]

I mean

Sure

[fading grove]

Surg still better overall

[austere pine]

you get more crit% out of crucian

[terse idol]

Db just doesn't need to be like

That strong

[austere pine]

you will never catch me aiming for however long for a crit

disgusting

immobile

[fading grove]

Gotta be fast

[terse idol]

You still get a crit % for even 1 stack wdym

[austere pine]

if i'm gonna be standing for that long to shoot something, i'd rather be running a lasgun

[terse idol]

You actually gain more crits with surgical

If you just fire on 1 stack

[fading grove]

You don’t stand long at all???

It take like 0.3 of a second

[terse idol]

You don't need to stand still with surgical

And using surgical you only use it on like crushers anyways

[fading grove]

Just aim and slide

[austere pine]

i have a fucking psword for crushers

[terse idol]

With t3 or t4 surgical it's less than 2 seconds

[austere pine]

that does more damage than a revolver

[fading grove]

you won’t catch me with a revolver anyways cause that shit is lame

[terse idol]

Okay, I mean you're running the most meta build

Like wowie

[shadow aurora]

Even the cowboy revolver?

[terse idol]

Yes the DB isn't gonna like

[austere pine]

surgical is more viable and i do get that but crucian feels better for what i'm focusing on

[terse idol]

Compete with the meta

I dunno what you want

[fading grove]

That’s different

[terse idol]

[fading grove]

Old revolver is just brainless

[terse idol]

That's fair

[shadow aurora]

Ok... good...

[terse idol]

It's just

Surgical is betterr

But if cruccian feels good that's good too

[austere pine]

game i get that the new map is something people wanna play but can it... not be in every mission difficulty?

auric had 2 of them, normals had 3 of them

i don't wanna play it all the time

rannick mission announcer though hell yes

[fading grove]

I’m a simple vet hellbore for ridiculous stab and shovel for more bonk who needs guns anyways!

[midnight totem]

ugh, I just can't deal with gunlugger ogryn

doesn't feel strong enough in aurics

[austere pine]

i have to say, jesper kyd did some glorious work on the new soundtrack again

have to go gunlugger into heavy attack aura and build i feel like

[bitter turtle]

Can't you just queue for something else or are you saying cause qp is putting you in it

[austere pine]

qp and literally every difficulty has it

and people wanna play it

[bitter turtle]

I'm p sure that is just because people are disproportionately queueing for it directly

[faint beacon]

Look I’ll say it right now as long as you can do your job you’re solid in my book

[austere pine]

everything except mael

[bitter turtle]

I mean that's to be expected

New map

[bitter turtle]

Ppl would complain that it's not available to play otherwise

[austere pine]

make it like 3/5 normals and sure both aurics

[bitter turtle]

If you are qping into it that is probably bc most ppl are directly queueing into it

So it's going to match you into a game for it most of the time

[gilded rock]

I know I'm annoyed when there's not a map I want in rotation, sometimes I go days without my beloved Smelter mission

[austere pine]

i think trying to run for auric storm survivor rn might be a good idea

[dreamy spade]

I fell of the edge if the new map within 2 minutes

[austere pine]

and another one

[bitter turtle]

Just stop qping

Queue for a mission directly

[gilded rock]

Also anyone else notice the new map has a ton of barrels in very troll-y places

[austere pine]

yes

[bitter turtle]

Not rn, thanks for asking tho

[gilded rock]

There are like 5 barrels at least that I noticed are 100% as bad as that one Hab Dreyko barrel

[austere pine]

i fear killing my teammates every zealot game because i run knife and use the dash "tech" almost always

[fading grove]

lol

[faint beacon]

The one that instantly kills you no matter what?

Lmao

[somber axle]

is damage the dump stat

[fading grove]

Mobility

[faint beacon]

Me think it’s Finesse………..

[topaz lance]

Agri shotty is better than the bolt pistol and more fun than the revolver.

[fading grove]

Bolt pistol just feels idk like shit

[topaz lance]

It's kinda mid honestly. The handling is just not nice enough. Even with Deadshot and Exe Stance.
It works, but other options just feel better.

[fading grove]

Revolver is still the go to since it’s so fucking overtuned still

I refuse to play with it anymore it gets so boring

[topaz lance]

The best thing about the pistol is the mobility.

[topaz lance]

I switched to slug shotty

very strong actually

[fading grove]

Agripinna rules

I’ve just been going around stabbing things with the hellbore since it’s bayonet does the funny

[topaz lance]

The Hellbores never clicked with me but I'll revisit them someday.

[somber axle]

finesse and damage dump stats

[faint beacon]

Yeah I think penetration

But I’m not too sure

Scritches mineth chin in deep thought

[chilly cobalt]

Tf w could've been a hellgun and not just boltgun with lesser ammo

[harsh ridge]

I miss me momma, pals..

wait

this isnt the Ogryn chat

[somber axle]

I miss my Boltpistol

[faint beacon]

Do you need to talk about it big man?

[rough dew]

It’s two doors down on the left

[chilly cobalt]

This is Caydeeuh chat, big man

[somber axle]

If only work wasn't eating my life

[grand perch]

im okay with bolt pistol being mid, just dont let it be trash like agrip revolver

[modern crescent]

snipe with dragons breath shells like me

[harsh ridge]

I don't think so, just thinkin out loud I s'pose. Thank you though, sah

[faint beacon]

Yeah no problem big man

[somber axle]

Fatshark: "We have the Hellgun at home"

Hellgun at home:

[faint beacon]

I’m not calling them recons

[vapid nacelle]

Saw this and bought it, what rolls does it need to be saved

[faint beacon]

They’re pocket hell guns

[somber axle]

Yes

One day we will get true Hellguns

[grand perch]

copium is real

[somber axle]

Until then Moebian Recon teams will purge heretics with enough lasfire to block out the sun

[faint beacon]

Why yes I want to yell out EAT IT! EEAAAAT IIIIITTTT! while spamming a recon down range like the scab gunners do

[somber axle]

Jokes aside try a good Recon Mk VId. The higher magazine size and rate of fire makes them closer to a light machine gun than any other weapon in the game

The clip size on the Braced Autoguns are gone if you blink

[vapid nacelle]

This one appeared in the shop too wtf

[somber axle]

Shock Trooper and a nearly 200 ammo capacity Recon Mk VId can shoot for a surprisingly long time

[faint beacon]

Laughs in Shocktrooper talent

[somber axle]

Yesterday while doing clown science I wanted to empty the clip and record a clip of the Recon being ammo positive on killing a Crusher and it took forever to empty the gun to 0 ammo in reserve just shooting into the air

The time you can sustain a constant barrage is silly

And very fun

I was even using my Recon with a 50% ammo stat

If I use one with 80% ammo it gets even wilder

The fire rate and collateral makes targets suppressed/staggered much easier too

It's magnificent

[tall torrent]

Finally managed to squeeze in the new weapons’ blessings into the existing guide

Still need to check what the new ones actually do

[bright charm]

have you tried it with the keap the head down talent most ranged because suppressed.

[somber axle]

Not since the update no

I usually grab For the Emperor to double down on extra damage during Exe Stance

[gilded wraith]

I'm holding out hope that the bolt pistol explosive blessing inadvertently buffs krak grenades.

[hearty panther]

thatd be funny

doubt it tho

still a pretty decent blessing

i like how boltpee turned out, just needs a touch up on the recoil anims

[junior needle]

Now kill a whole ass boss with it in less than 5 seconds

If you cannot I must proclaim the 6d inferior to the agri revolver

Because the only thing that matters in this game is how fast you can kill a single target in the psyk on a max damage setup

[flat pebble]

based

where’s azreal he’d agree

[junior needle]

I like how his message with his boss video is "remember when I tricked people into thinking agripinia was good"

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-its-okay-rocky-you-go-when-you-feel-like-it-gif-21084732

Me with my Recon

[flat pebble]

just azreal things

[junior needle]

lol, lmao

Still RNG

[tall torrent]

I believe run&gun have been changed beyond what they stated but I haven’t had time to check

[lucid hinge]

I love emperor gifts so much

thank you for this

I will totally use it

[tall torrent]

It’s still RNG but u can boost its expertise to the point where that RNG roll doesn’t impact ur breakpoints

They showed a duelling sword where the 5 stats added up to 384

[somber axle]

100% ammo Recon Mk VId coming this Fall

[lucid hinge]

absolute cinema

[tall torrent]

If the breakpoints don’t change, doing 1307 dmg vs 1312 dmg in 1 hit has basically no difference in gameplay terms

[junior needle]

The stat caps are still randomly determined, so it depends on how stringent the requirements for stats are

[somber axle]

Damage is a dump stat confirmed

[tall torrent]

Yes but it’s much more lenient than before

[junior needle]

I need an 80/80 damage stopping power kickback for my ogryn

[tall torrent]

Without completely scrapping their stat roll system, this is abt the best they can do without giving u 5x 80 on every weapon

[junior needle]

I'd have to earn that 5x80

And they're STILL doing RNG

[tall torrent]

Although I think 5x80 is possibly doable in the new system

[somber axle]

I have five separate Recon Mk VIds all with 380 base ilvl and fantastic stats ready to be made into perfect rolls when the locks are removed and we can increase the stats further

Since we can change the Marks interchangeably

[tall torrent]

I might be missing smth but

I don’t think our weapons will carry over?

[somber axle]

I have additional Recon Mk IIs and Mk VIIas that can be rolled too

[midnight mortar]

It's only lenient in the sense that it has been made determinstic. Unfortunately that determinism has been implemented in a manner which doesn't really respect a player's time.

It's the sort of "step in the right direction" that Fatshark has in spades.

[somber axle]

Individual marks can be changed but the rolls/ratings/blessings are still there yeah?

[tall torrent]

I’m ok with grinding a weapon out to make it exactly the way I want it

[midnight mortar]

It's good that it's deterministic.

[tall torrent]

No, this part

[somber axle]

Yeah so we keep the weapons still

[tall torrent]

Existing inventory includes “our current weapons” if I’m understanding it correctly

[somber axle]

The blessings we earned feeding weapons to Hadron go into mastery

[tall torrent]

It says “to convert players’ current weapons into the new system”

[midnight mortar]

Mastery points become currency we have to spend for blessing/perk(?) acquisition.

[flat pebble]

idk “convert players’ current weapons” sounds like our current weapons are going somewhere

[tall torrent]

Idk what happens to the weapons we have rn

[somber axle]

Numbers cat do you mean to imply we will have zero weapons

Because that sounds silly

And not at all what they would do

[midnight mortar]

But the entry point of Brunt's armory still remains.

[tall torrent]

I’m implying that something is going to happen to them

Idk what that will be

[midnight mortar]

All of the currently unlocked blessings for the weapon families we have will be tallied into Mastery instead.

[tall torrent]

Because their new system is like
Everyone starts at the same lvl besides the blessing library being converted into mastery progression (for mastery points that’ll unlock blessings & their tiers)

[midnight mortar]

And our current weapons will apparently be replaced with a system that lets us switch between marks within a weapon family.

[somber axle]

They're not deleting inventories. I would be fine with it tbh because I'll just run the hamster wheel Gauntlet again. But do you think they would legitimately delete everyone's current inventory and scrap all the items players have worked hard and grinded for to do a new system? The community would have a meltdown LMFAO

It's definitely not deleting weapons but things will certainly change

[tall torrent]

I don’t think they’ll scrap our entire inventory but it’ll be changed to accommodate the new system

[flat pebble]

idk the messaging is just kinda contradictory

[midnight mortar]

And from that point every individual weapon we have will need a minimum amount of time spent using it as determined by Fatshark before we can actually theorycraft a build with particular blessings.

[tall torrent]

And idk how that will be changed

[tall torrent]

Not exactly

[somber axle]

Yeah so I'll use my current high item rating rolled Recons to grind mastery/expertise then

[flat pebble]

on the one hand they’ve said locks will go away which sounds like our existing weapons are staying but on the other hand “convert players current weapons” sounds like they’re gonna be doing stuff with our inventory as it is now

[gilded rock]

An entitled asl community like this would cause a Chernobyl level meltdown if we were given something actually valid to complain about

[midnight mortar]

What am I missing?

[faint beacon]

If I 100% a gun that’s probably good news seeing you’ll get a good chunk of the XP out of it

[tall torrent]

In this image they showed, u can see that mastery points are used to unlock blessing tiers (see how some blessings have I & II lit up where others don’t)

U can spec into any blessing u want with the mastery points u have as soon as u get them, but there is a progression in terms of going from tier 1 to tier 4 of a certain blessing

[thick kestrel]

the implication is that existing weapons will be converted into new bases in the new system, with sufficient stats to rebuild what we have.

so a 380 weapon will become a base with potential to hit the same stats... and all the resources to return it to those stats

[midnight mortar]

Yes. I don't see how what I said contradicts that.

Mastery points are earned via weapon usage.

[somber axle]

I think the weapons and their item ratings will become templates for the category of weapon/family of weapon. You can change that template to be a Recon Mk II, Recon Mk VId or a Recon Mk VIIa as you like. But the base roll of stats and the item rating itself is what you start with as a foundation. Then you upgrade it for perks/blessings and change them as you like because locks gone. Then you grind mastery/expertise to push the weapon further

[junior needle]

I think having the game constantly crash and dc for like 3 months was a valid complaint

[somber axle]

That's my understanding of things

[tall torrent]

So unless the weapon is really specific on needing IV blessings and IV perks, starting from I / II isn’t so bad

[gilded rock]

I would agree, but that's by and large not what people are usually complaining about

[midnight mortar]

Sure, maybe. I wasn't saying "starting from 1 or 2 rank blessings is bad". I was saying "Fatshark will be determining exactly how many successful mission completions or how many estimated hours at minimum it will take to unlock rank 4 blessings on a given individual, specific weapon".

[junior needle]

Now they're usually complaining about fatsharks glacially slow release schedule and questionable game design choices

[tall torrent]

Well yea

[junior needle]

Both of which are legitimate

[midnight mortar]

And the specific weapon in question will still have a max possible stat distribution determined by RNG.

As per Brunt's.

[gilded rock]

Meh, free content for an already very replayable game

[somber axle]

Dude I can't wait for the meltdown if they legitimately just erase everyone's inventory back to square 1 and hand everyone level 1 grey items

[tall torrent]

I’m still happy with their new system overall, it addresses most of the problems I have with the current system

[somber axle]

I will get popcorn

[flat pebble]

just reflecting on how if this conversation was happening in zealot chat shit flinging would have started like 15 minutes ago

[somber axle]

Half the player base will probably quit LMFAO

[junior needle]

"Free" content for what was an extremely unfinished game

And still is in some respects

[gilded rock]

I think Strawhat and the blog post already confirmed we keep our stuff

[wide anvil]

Trying to make a Veteran "run up and get done up" build using new double-barrel shotty, any ideas?

[midnight mortar]

So again, my point in elaborating on that was regarding Fatshark's stated aim of respecting player time and agency.

[gilded rock]

Actually yeah they touch on that in the mastery/expertise section

[faint beacon]

I would be at most annoyed but willing

[midnight mortar]

Since this system is deterministic, somewhat more than before I'd argue it does respect player agency.

But I can't say it respects a player's time.

[faint beacon]

Cause I mean like if my level isn’t reset I could work with it

[unique orchid]

im eager for the item rework, least

[somber axle]

Ok so idk why others are afraid then. But wow could you imagine? I would be more entertained by the chaos of people upset than annoyed at losing progress LOL

[thick kestrel]

yarp, we're still rolling for bases... but hadron can't brick them anymore

so once you have a good base, you're sorted

[junior needle]

They better not doing the penance gimmick garbage

[gilded rock]

I personally don't feel that way, ever since they got the vet tree in order I think it feels pretty complete

[somber axle]

The penance system kept our old achievement progression

[tall torrent]

I also wonder how much of a headstart does the existing blessing collection give

[terse idol]

Some of it

[junior needle]

I member the year before the talent patch

I member

[terse idol]

Some of it was just uhhh deleted

[gilded rock]

Other than mission completion and a couple of other things, which is whatever

[tall torrent]

If I have 9/9 blessings on Rashad all collected from tier1 to tier4, where would that leave me in mastery

[austere pine]

go into auric
first time the bolt pistol
complain it sucks when you use it like a revolver
say the recoil is bad (it's a bolt weapon)
say the bolt gun is better
why are players like this

[terse idol]

Top tier rashad I hope

[austere pine]

we also had a plasma gun vet anger a dh that went onto our zealot

what a game this is

[somber axle]

The only mistake was not fixing the disconnect exploit to earn Auric Storm Survivor and Auric Exemplar because those titles are virtually meaningless now and everyone is an A.S.S. LOL

[gilded rock]

I do too, I felt the game was unfinished back then for sure but now I do not But I suppose that kinda just boils down to a difference of opinion

[gilded rock]

Yeah I'm surprised they didn't fix it with this patch

[junior needle]

I do not want to have my crafting locked behind "Kill a boss with a headshot using the special attack of the revolver while your screen is turned off and you are shouting (FOR THE EMPEROR) into your microphone"

[terse idol]

I sure hope it's just XP

And not penance

[tall torrent]

Because I actually collected every blessing on every veteran-available weapon before patch19, that should theoretically give me a huge headstart in the new system

[somber axle]

I'll do it as long as I don't need to voice chat with my squad

[terse idol]

Just use the weapon and get kills get weapon XP, unlock blessings

[gilded rock]

If you're loner psyker you have to say "I am not dead" instead

[terse idol]

The cruelest trick would be if things like BM were the last thing you unlocked

[junior needle]

You have to do the voice chat. It has to be heard at a certain decibel level in the team comms or it doesn't count.

[tall torrent]

Blessings are pick & choose unlocks in the image they showed

[somber axle]

They nerfed Recons ASAP but they let that slide. Remember that the only thing Fatshark truly fears is that weapon and nothing else

[tall torrent]

U can get BM with the very first mastery point u get

[terse idol]

Yeah

[terse idol]

Oh thank god

[gilded rock]

Wait they nerfed the recon again?

[gilded rock]

Or do you mean from the past

[junior needle]

patch 14

[tall torrent]

Yea it crashes ur game

[tawny badger]

stress testing I guess (darktide players hate getting new things)

[junior needle]

Recons are conservatively buffed now, I very much don't expect a nerf

[tall torrent]

3 people magdumping recon in the new map = screen freeze

[somber axle]

I'll just get a soundboard of someone else screaming it from like Dawn of War, turn up the volume to max on my phone and play it into the microphone ezpz

[austere pine]

pic unrelated i hope

[bitter turtle]

they might not get deleted but i would not be surprised if our weapons dont transfer over optimally

[tawny badger]

pic tangentially related

[somber axle]

Doesn't Close and Kill crash the game right now? Rest in pieces to the Vets who like move speed aura

[tall torrent]

Same

[tall torrent]

The patch earlier today seemed to have fixed my problems

[bitter turtle]

theres no telling how this conversion works or whether or not it will translate perfectly to a godroll on the new system

[somber axle]

No I mean for the legendary moment when Recons got the fastest and harshest nerf in the lifetime of Darktide LOL

[junior needle]

Your penance will be personally reviewed by a fatshark employee for authenticity of your voice

[somber axle]

They're buffed now

[tall torrent]

Godroll on the new system is just find a good base + grind that weapon family

[junior needle]

Attempts to bypass it means your favorite weapon gets nerfed next patch

[gilded rock]

silly lasers do a funny for two days
KILL IT
cowboy gun does a funny for months
seems right

[somber axle]

Yes I am the voice actor for Dawn of War here is my ID that I didn't photoshop of a Space Marine from the state of Cadia

[gilded rock]

I saw that clean 33% damage increase on the 7a and I think I started daydreaming

Maybe I can afford a keystone now...

[junior needle]

Identity theft is no laughing matter, clown

honk honk

[somber axle]

It's only stealing if I take it from someone real

[bitter turtle]

i swear im actually indrick boreale

[junior needle]

The entire line was severely undertuned, they needed that

[bitter turtle]

spess mehrines todeh the enemeh is at our doah

[junior needle]

Still not as much dps as IAG's

[gilded rock]

I think it definitely needed a lil bump but it was usable, a whole 33% is... shit I'll take it but not as much as I thought it needed LOL

[junior needle]

Also the 7a's ADM's took a hit

[gilded rock]

Yeah IAGs are silly and probably not the standard of balance

[somber axle]

I'm ready to do Close and Kill, Infiltrate + Low Profile, Marksman's Focus Recon Mk VIIa

[junior needle]

"useable" is a loaded term

A melee weapon that does 1 damage is useable

[faint beacon]

I love my GIAG but I’ll admit the IAGs are very strong

[somber axle]

Viable is a better term

[gilded rock]

True, but I mean usable by way of like 20 gunner/shotgunner/specialist kills per mag

[junior needle]

No, it's not

Has the exact same problem

[somber axle]

Competitive is only a term that matters in Esports

No one cares about your DPS meters in Darktide quickplay

But they will notice if you spend more time on your knees

[gilded rock]

I think the 7a's strength was consistency over burst, laying down continuous fire

[junior needle]

Kills "per mag" is not exactly an impressive metric

[somber axle]

Ammo positive is! Only Lasguns can do that. Recons can do that more effectively now too

[faint beacon]

They will notice if you’re saying “help me up you lazy karkers!” More than killing things

[junior needle]

You can go ammo positive on other guns

[gilded rock]

It is when the game consistently throws large quantities of those enemies at you and stopping to take two or so seconds to reload can be precious time

[faint beacon]

Laughs in HHA VII

[arctic rampart]

Ok @somber axle how fucking stoked are you with recon lasguns now

[gilded rock]

Granted it was not cracked like our other overtuned weapons, but certainly a good function

[junior needle]

Dps was too low

[gilded rock]

Was almost balanced imo

Yes

[flat pebble]

pause

[junior needle]

And ammo efficiency wasn't impressive either

[somber axle]

As an example Survivalist Aura gives back 9 ammo for a Recon Mk VId with only 50% ammo stat but kills a Crusher in as little as 5 ammo. And kills other targets in less ammo spent too

[gilded rock]

Needed a lil bump and we got a big one, I am eating good

[arctic rampart]

I imagine the gun is TOO good now, so Sneaky Cat is now using shredders

[somber axle]

With a higher reserve ammo stat you will have a bigger return on Survivalist Aura

[junior needle]

It needed a lot more than a little bump

[faint beacon]

True

[junior needle]

To be competitive with other options

[faint beacon]

This didn’t click to me till now

More reserve means more ammo back through surv

[somber axle]

Very happy! The new Recon Mk VId is a light machine gun and has a unique identity no other gun in the game even comes close to

[arctic rampart]

I didn't play yet. They made one of them an LMG?

[junior needle]

It only does this in max damage setups that are also specifically oriented towards killing crushers, with temp damage buffs active.

[somber axle]

Yes so the Mk VIIa got a huge buff on Surv Aura ammo returns with the buff to reserve ammo

[gilded rock]

If you're talking about plasma, revo, CIAG, etc., then things shouldn't be striving to be competitive with them because they are overpowered and need a tune down

[bitter turtle]

i still say 7 is prob at least B tier now

[arctic rampart]

Stop asking for nerfs ffs

[faint beacon]

Better than F

[bitter turtle]

i dont meant hat in a bad way

[junior needle]

Even compared to nonmeta ones, like laspee, helbores, and ilas

[bitter turtle]

i also put v3 in B tier

[junior needle]

Or HH

[faint beacon]

Firm HHA user here

[somber axle]

Nah it also does it in my standard clown talent set up. Even discounting Survivalist Aura refunding more ammo than you spent, 3600 DPS and 5 ammo spent on a Crusher kill is a tricky bar to beat. Only Helbores and meme-y Laspistols can do the same

The TTK is much better vs Maniacs

ADM vs Maniac armour was buffed across the board for Recons

[gilded rock]

Haven't used or seen those options much of ever so I'll take your word for it, certainly felt competitive when I used it in my aurics though

[junior needle]

In literal best case scenario and also with a +carapace perk taken at the expense of overall performance

[somber axle]

Flak/Unyielding ADM was only nerfed for Mk II and Mk VIIa and only in "Near" distance

[somber axle]

I don't see any other perks worth taking tbh

[faint beacon]

I could see someone getting away with Carapace + Flak

[somber axle]

Flak? Maybe??

[bitter turtle]

idk i think 7 is better than ilases now

ilases have such fucking godawful flak modifier

[somber axle]

Carapace + Elite is the dream

[junior needle]

Subjective feelings of usefulness are not representative of objective performance

[bitter turtle]

and laspistol is basically a meta gun tbh

imo its a top 5 gun but

[somber axle]

But they are representative of fun!

And what someone enjoys and plays best is their best weapon

Meta weapons don't always translate to being the best weapon a player can use effectively

And they definitely don't always translate to the most fun either

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-chris-pratt-april-ludgate-dieoffun-serious-gif-12214743

[faint beacon]

I love shutting down every gunner that decides to exist within a 3 mile radius between me with the HHA’s

[gilded rock]

Chief unless you pull out some spread charts, everything we say save for commonly known truths are anecdotal evidence

[junior needle]

F IS FOR FIRE THAT BURNS DOWN THE WHOLE TOWN

U IS FOR URANIUM

BOMBS

N IS FOR NO SURVIVORS

[junior needle]

The objective evidence would be that their numbers sugged big time compared to other weapons and they needed an inordinate amount of hand holding from the tree

Let me grab some hood classics

[tall torrent]

I don’t see people mentioning this but
They changed a lot of headpiece’s voice modulator effects

[bitter turtle]

i saw something about that in patchnotes

[tall torrent]

The penance helmet for veteran u get now changes ur voice a lot

[last parcel]

they made it more obvious

[junior needle]

To illustrate to you the difference in efficacy

[last parcel]

same with footsteps apparently

[tall torrent]

Some gas masks also sound way different than normal

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/985983134275366943/1255391951260483655/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.06.26_-_01.18.14.02.mp4?ex=667cf65d&is=667ba4dd&hm=34095eb7c1e0a43b5f3f79820475c682f0d0e501db2288d0189f2e04690ccee6&

[faint beacon]

Yeah Psyker has one of theirs changed

[junior needle]

You needed a fully built and talented recon setup to get even near to the damage IAG's can pull gray and talentless

[gilded rock]

When the overpowered weapon we know is overpowered is, in fact, overpowered

[junior needle]

Their dps was exceeded by a matter of 2-4x by iag's

[gilded rock]

Also 7a isn't meant for maniac damage

[junior needle]

It wasn't meant for any damage then, because the dps wasn't impressive on anything

Apparently fatshark disagrees that it's OP, considering it's been left essentially unnerfed forever

But even the lesser iag's can pull 2400~ maniac headshot dps untalented and gray

Even with sneakies clown setup, the regular ilas have better ammo efficiency

On a non clown setup

[somber axle]

Yeah but the IAGs will never be able to kill targets for literally free. My 0% damage stat Helbore Mk II can get 100% crit chance from Deadshot/Surgical if I time every shot and there is no possible way any Infantry Autogun could compete with that level of ammo economy. But other things are important too beyond hyperfocusing in on one particular metric. IAGs have good DPS/TTK but now have pretty bad ammo economy especially after Survivalist nerfs. Recons with Shock Trooper and Crit are like IAGs but you care less about ammo

[junior needle]

Why you bring up helbores to Joe Ogryn

This is recon discussion

Joe Ogryn sense you are lying to him

[somber axle]

Because it is an example of hyperfixating on something that ignores the broader context

[junior needle]

I don't want to hear that from you

[tall torrent]

Did u download creature spawner

[junior needle]

Of all people

[somber axle]

I am the Monarch of Misunderstanding yes

The Monarch... BUTTERFLY

[junior needle]

Hyperfixating on glass cannon crusher performance

[somber axle]

https://tenor.com/view/venture-bros-the-monarch-henchman21-blep-sticking-tongue-out-gif-26790116

Recon HQ

[brave verge]

dueling and heavy swords on veteran?

[tall torrent]

I’ll take that as a no

[somber axle]

Not yet I am at work again

[junior needle]

The IAG's don't have bad ammo economy, just fyi

[severe gale]

probably either the mastery tree is account wide, or its place holder

[junior needle]

At least the ciag doesn't last I checked

[severe gale]

doubt theyll give vet those

[gilded rock]

Not to debate bro it but that's some big bad faith tbh

[junior needle]

on god?

[somber axle]

I do one thing really, really well. And that is hunting and killing Crushers regardless of weapon loadout. Recons are no exception. They are the crown of the clown

[junior needle]

fr fr?

[gilded rock]

on big e 😲

[junior needle]

You are correct of course, it's a bad joke about how scuffed fatshark balancing is

[gilded rock]

LOL

[somber axle]

I pray every day for Plasma gun explosions on uncharged shots made at 100% heat return but I would also love HP damage on venting to return too

Change nothing about cleave or damage but make Plasma Vets return to LARPing as Poxbursters

[severe gale]

hp damage on vent??

[somber axle]

Just like Beta days

[somber axle]

Yeah it used to do that and through toughness too

[severe gale]

yeah i know

just shocked you want it back

[tall torrent]

Health dmg on vent is not coming back lol

[severe gale]

i get making it less safe with the uncharged shots

[faint beacon]

Rename yourself to poxburster and only detonate yourself lmao

[severe gale]

but i disagree with health damage on vent

[tall torrent]

Plasma dmg doesn’t need changes either

[somber axle]

Bring it back for the auto vent at 100% heat when firing uncharged shots at least as a mechanic to punish mindless spam and add more skill to juggling heat than just "I click mouse 1 fast and then never charge my shots"

[severe gale]

they need to make charged shots actually useful

[somber axle]

I'm tempted to do this now

Right now shooting at 100% heat is only punished by charging shots

Punish uncharged shots too with HP chip damage

[placid portal]

guh? I turned on game and it got updated so I have to update again lol

[somber axle]

If a Vet legitimately kills themselves by the HP chip damage from constantly spamming uncharged shots at 100% heat they probably deserve to lay on the floor

[tall torrent]

Add a new blessing
Every 1% heat gives +0.5/1/1.5/2% ranged dmg on charged shots

[placid portal]

steal his green apple juice while you're at it

[somber axle]

I would bully a Plasma Vet so much. I'd take his lunch money too and buy him a nice meal so he doesn't have to leave the table. But I'm keeping the change!